Absolutely love it. I despise CAS so this thing brings extra firepower from the m16 with slightly more protection (good vs 7-8mm ammo) and the insane amount of ammo and not having to reload belts is so much fun. My combo is this plus the American Ki-61 for anti-CAS duties... Love the added mobility and protection over the m16, which honestly felt a little underpowered for taking higher. Lower chance of being overpressured by rockets and the like. Getting the T77e1 was the first thing I did after the update... already spaded too :) Skink is also nice with its extra protection and practically immune to aircraft ammo, plus the ammo box allows it to fire practically infinitely (no belt reloads) until the ammo box runs out, and then the belts are still quick to reload. I will say, my only complaint of the Skink is its low velocity rounds... can't hit anything outside of about a mile. On the other hand... one hit and that's pretty much bye bye plane.
tbh 6x .50 cals can easily do well as an SPAA ut to rank 5 if you dont like M42 i remember i used the M16 all the way up to 6.3 cause it was just so much easier to land shots with its high rate of fire and the fact that 4x .50's still did heaps of damage against planes
@@PraetorianMan So? It doesn't really address an issue. There wasn't a problem with a gap in the lower end; the problem was and continues to be the gap between M19/M42 and the 163. Also just a general tip to be taken seriously as an adult; don't start comments with "I mean" when you're not actually clarifying a prior statement.
If 1000 rounds is what it takes to overheat a .50 cal barrel, and this thing has 6 barrels and 6600 rounds, it would be able to fire 6000 rounds (1000 per barrel) before overheating.
You are right, but I am just judging it by a random example 1,000 rounds from all 6 barrels is still 166 rounds Maybe it could be 2,000 total rounds etc. but being able to hold the trigger for all 6,600 rounds is a bit much.
@@DawgIVLife Considering that the boxed belts on other .50cals contain 200 rounds it seems a bit silly to make the .50cals on this thing overheat after firing less than that. I don't necessarily think the current implementation is a problem, but we'll have to wait and see how well it does after people have had a while to play with it.
M2HB brownings can apparently fire almost indefinetly without worrying about overheating. I think they technically can, but realistically the barrel will wear out from over use more often than overheat, and that's after 1000+ plus. Read one report from a marine who was ambushed and put 1500 rounds down range before it started acting strangely, cooking off by itself, losing accuracy, but it could still fire apparently. Idk if modern ones are just built different tho? From my brief google search, only the faster firing M3 guns overheated regularly, they were fitted to aircraft as they need lots of air flow to keep them cool, which flying around provides. So yep,
The 37mm ZiS-42 half-track is good to practice aiming with. Easier to hit than with the Bofors 40mm in my opinion. But once you're good at shooting planes with the 37mm gun, the Bofors becomes a bit easier to use.
Yea I probably should have worded it better in the video but what I mean is total rounds, but also at the same time it would be an issue gaijin would have to balance around so 166 rounds might be a little bit to small for a full overheat.
America never focused as much on SPAA and thats why they have so few/no options. T249 would be the same br as the m163 (and potentially very useless bcz it only gets 192 or 195 rounds of ammo and can go between 120 and iirc 4000 rpm, nothing in between) bcz it has much better fire control. Rn the only thing that can go between the duster and m163 is the bradley prototype with the 20mm, going by the br of other 20mm "SPAAs" it would be 5.3 or 5.7
@@guvyygvuhh298 was just about to say the same thing when i saw the comment, American doctrine has always focused on air superiority, very very little development in AAA compared to other nations. Poor devs have very little to pick from if they want to fill the gap lol. ADA is by far the weakest and poorest trained/equipped branch in the Army today, and sounds like it always has been.
Tbh, with all the light trucks out and about now i feel this will still be quite useful on ground. It would for sure put a dampner on my puma scout rushes lol
There's a lot of vehicles that legitimately NEED the ammo box. Like before the update they were legitimately useless beyond shooting down a plane or two, unless they were on a control point which just makes you even more of a target. Just some vehicles that come to mind are things like the Bosvark or the M42 Contraereo
I absolutely loved this thing, I went back to spade it with the m4a5 just like you did and it was so damn fun, I never got less then 2 air kills with it, got up to 6, spaded it in 5 games, was a monster.
What I love so much about the rapid fire 50 cals as opposed to the 40mm’s is how much active feedback you get while firing so you know how far ahead to fire because which of these hundreds of rounds is hitting
Yea it’s way better for people who can’t see as well or running lower resolution screens. Cause I can see the 40mm very clearly at 1440p but back when I played on 1080p I also struggled to use the dusters for anti air because you can’t really tell if you are under or over-leading.
@@DawgIVLife yeah my eyesight kinda sucks sometimes so it takes a bit longer for me to see enemy planes and then my tv being probably 10 years old doesn’t help
1:20 the funniest thing is it wouldnt be hard for them to implement the M114A2. the premium T114 has the same chassis and the 20mm HS.820 (M139) is already in game.
i havent played it yet, but I tested it for some time and I felt these 50 cals do very little damage to planes. All I get are hits and praying for a fire
Dawg I love how of a nice gimmick this vehicle is. It looks just as hilarious as the skink, and the firepower makes it a serious threat and a really fun low tier monster. For me 10/10 addition even though M16 already does a good job. US low tier part of the tech tree really didn't get anything like that for a long time
I meant total rounds not individual barrels but even then it could be 2000 round etc it would be gaijins job to figure out what overheat they would want.
50 cal are good for plane but you need hit something important to make it work so if you only hit tip of wing or something like this it dont do much also you should wait the plane is in good range before shot and in a good possition . every time you shotted a one plane and complaining it dont work the plane was not in a good range or direction for you . i always wait and when i start to shot most of the time the plane die quickly
@@DawgIVLife I think it's fine as is, although it could be moved down a step. You have a point with the overheating but it should be jamming instead I think.
The T77E1, a prototype self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, doesn't seem to have significant overheating issues. This might be due to the design, which allows it to fire multiple barrels simultaneously, preventing critical overheating.........Chat GPT
So you forget you have 6 guns, 1000 rounds per gun, and if you alternate fire of the barrels one can cool for a second , your basically in a primitive gattling gun that's why your only getting hits, instead of dead from all six guns slapping at once
This is going to be a tricky vehicle to balance because on one hand it's terrible against tanks, but on the other is an anti-cas nightmare lol. I still think it needs to be 3.3 or even 3.0 though. This just doesn't have the tank killing potential to be 3.7. In my humble opinion at least.
You said in the video that a 50 cal overheats after firing about 1000 rounds with no pause i assume. The T77e1 has 6 of them with with 6600 total which means each has a 1100 round belt. So if everything before is true then it shouldnt overheat as much in game
Yea what I was meaning is total rounds. Just a mistake I made while it being live. But overall it would be what gaijin decides the overheat, but specially with the rearm boxes you pretty much have unlimited ammo that can keep firing even over 6600 rounds.
4 players on a team spawning AA and doing absolutely nothing to help their team take caps or defeat the enemy ground units, you know, in GROUND battles... and then saying 'we had shit teammates'. Classic War Thunder.
Yeah, it's just .50 Cals, which have a lot of trouble hitting anything that is too fast or too far away. Unless a plane is coming head on at you, it's very hard to hit things. The reason the 40mm AA vehicles are even higher tier despite being even HARDER to hit things due to their insanely low rate of fire, is that they are good tank destroyers too, while this thing can't hardly hurt anything more than a Puma.
@bellidrael7457 as a german main you genuinely cannot convince me that 50. Cals are as bad as you say. I've faced enough american Tanks and m16's to know they are still quite capable beyond 2 km.
imagine if insted of 50cals this had the mg151 i bellive its caleld which is a 15mm hmg found on that half truck sppa those hit super hard and are nice very to aim and easy
For any AA vehicles that don't overheat should gradualy lose accuracy or velocity as the barrels would have expanded to a point where the rifling isn't working properly
Or, hot take... CAS shouldn't be hard to shoot down in an AA because this is ground battles and most of us que up for ground battles to play ground vehicles against ground vehicles on the ground... Anyone suggesting this thing needs any kind of nerf is almost definitely a CAS abuser.
You do sound like a noob yourself or a YAK 9K CAS pilot seeing a door being closed to his OP 45mm APHE round fired from a single engine fighter. The 50 cals are also great at destroying BT 5s and BT 7s.. There are lots of other vehicles this thing will be able to destroy much easier than an M 16 or CM 52. I have probably been shot down by tank main guns more than any of the U.S. 40mm Tank Destroyers that allow you to shoot "AT" planes. M 19 and M 42 should have their SPAA status changed to TD along with a host of other SPAA just like them.
You are a noob if you don't think people use them at almost every BR in ths game. The Yak 9 K could out range lots of SPAA it is being shot down by yet it still is shot down.
Yeah because an su25 launching dickwad kh38's from beyond the range of any spaa is not broken and overpowered, and just spawn cap doesn't work when there's a pantsir covering it
Bonus video today. What do you guys think of the T77E1?
Absolutely love it. I despise CAS so this thing brings extra firepower from the m16 with slightly more protection (good vs 7-8mm ammo) and the insane amount of ammo and not having to reload belts is so much fun. My combo is this plus the American Ki-61 for anti-CAS duties... Love the added mobility and protection over the m16, which honestly felt a little underpowered for taking higher. Lower chance of being overpressured by rockets and the like. Getting the T77e1 was the first thing I did after the update... already spaded too :)
Skink is also nice with its extra protection and practically immune to aircraft ammo, plus the ammo box allows it to fire practically infinitely (no belt reloads) until the ammo box runs out, and then the belts are still quick to reload. I will say, my only complaint of the Skink is its low velocity rounds... can't hit anything outside of about a mile. On the other hand... one hit and that's pretty much bye bye plane.
They are good themselves, yet they are making US CAS players even more annoying, for now fighter players have to risk so much to anti-CAS.
Skaffee
(Skink + Chaffee = Skaffee)
Idk, i didn't get it yet. But my fav was (and still has a special place in my heart) is the M16MGMC
US needed SPAA between M42 and M163, or it needed the Duster to get its proxy-HE. They didn't need Rank II SPAA.
M114 with the 20mm it’s the easiest option
@@DawgIVLife True true I think that's an excellent idea Dawg.
tbh 6x .50 cals can easily do well as an SPAA ut to rank 5 if you dont like M42
i remember i used the M16 all the way up to 6.3 cause it was just so much easier to land shots with its high rate of fire and the fact that 4x .50's still did heaps of damage against planes
I mean,, relying on the M16 as your actual best AA vehicle until like 7.3 was a bit absurd, also this has been a highly requested vehicle for years.
@@PraetorianMan So? It doesn't really address an issue. There wasn't a problem with a gap in the lower end; the problem was and continues to be the gap between M19/M42 and the 163. Also just a general tip to be taken seriously as an adult; don't start comments with "I mean" when you're not actually clarifying a prior statement.
If 1000 rounds is what it takes to overheat a .50 cal barrel, and this thing has 6 barrels and 6600 rounds, it would be able to fire 6000 rounds (1000 per barrel) before overheating.
You are right, but I am just judging it by a random example 1,000 rounds from all 6 barrels is still 166 rounds Maybe it could be 2,000 total rounds etc. but being able to hold the trigger for all 6,600 rounds is a bit much.
@@DawgIVLife Considering that the boxed belts on other .50cals contain 200 rounds it seems a bit silly to make the .50cals on this thing overheat after firing less than that.
I don't necessarily think the current implementation is a problem, but we'll have to wait and see how well it does after people have had a while to play with it.
@@DawgIVLife A fighter sized airplane firing an easy to aim 45mm APHE round into tanks is a bit much but no one seems to be bothered by that.
@@DawgIVLifestill 6 barrels wouldn’t melt after eating collective 6600 shots would get very inaccurate but still shoot
@@DawgIVLife
No, it isn't. I don't give a flying flip about "balance" so long as vehicles are historically accurate, powerful, and above all: FUN!
M2HB brownings can apparently fire almost indefinetly without worrying about overheating.
I think they technically can, but realistically the barrel will wear out from over use more often than overheat, and that's after 1000+ plus. Read one report from a marine who was ambushed and put 1500 rounds down range before it started acting strangely, cooking off by itself, losing accuracy, but it could still fire apparently. Idk if modern ones are just built different tho?
From my brief google search, only the faster firing M3 guns overheated regularly, they were fitted to aircraft as they need lots of air flow to keep them cool, which flying around provides. So yep,
I shot tens of thousands of rounds from M2's you swap the barrel when it overheats and 1000 rounds isn't anything.
better than the 40mm ones imo (i cannot aim)
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The double zis milk truck is amazing though. You need to aim more but one shot that you hit will tear an entire wing off.
The 37mm ZiS-42 half-track is good to practice aiming with. Easier to hit than with the Bofors 40mm in my opinion. But once you're good at shooting planes with the 37mm gun, the Bofors becomes a bit easier to use.
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The 6600 is 1100 by gun not 6600 per gun, if it doesn't overheat around 1k round the 6 guns shouldn't overheat so
Yea I probably should have worded it better in the video but what I mean is total rounds, but also at the same time it would be an issue gaijin would have to balance around so 166 rounds might be a little bit to small for a full overheat.
rank 2 spaa wasnt really needed tbh, we need them between M42 and M163
Meanwhile USSR has like 10 SPAAs between just 8.0 and 12.0
America never focused as much on SPAA and thats why they have so few/no options. T249 would be the same br as the m163 (and potentially very useless bcz it only gets 192 or 195 rounds of ammo and can go between 120 and iirc 4000 rpm, nothing in between) bcz it has much better fire control. Rn the only thing that can go between the duster and m163 is the bradley prototype with the 20mm, going by the br of other 20mm "SPAAs" it would be 5.3 or 5.7
@@guvyygvuhh298 was just about to say the same thing when i saw the comment, American doctrine has always focused on air superiority, very very little development in AAA compared to other nations. Poor devs have very little to pick from if they want to fill the gap lol. ADA is by far the weakest and poorest trained/equipped branch in the Army today, and sounds like it always has been.
We got the skink, even tho it kinda blows lol.
@@guvyygvuhh298 they could add the M114, basically an american SUB-I-II (it gets the same 20mm as the XM800T)
@@ThatRandomEstonian Yea that's the one i was talking about
Tbh, with all the light trucks out and about now i feel this will still be quite useful on ground. It would for sure put a dampner on my puma scout rushes lol
There's a lot of vehicles that legitimately NEED the ammo box. Like before the update they were legitimately useless beyond shooting down a plane or two, unless they were on a control point which just makes you even more of a target. Just some vehicles that come to mind are things like the Bosvark or the M42 Contraereo
no offense but you can't blame the 50s if you barely hit most of the targets..
Most of those hits where out of range for the 50 cals while 20mm would have blasted wings clean off
I absolutely loved this thing, I went back to spade it with the m4a5 just like you did and it was so damn fun, I never got less then 2 air kills with it, got up to 6, spaded it in 5 games, was a monster.
What I love so much about the rapid fire 50 cals as opposed to the 40mm’s is how much active feedback you get while firing so you know how far ahead to fire because which of these hundreds of rounds is hitting
Sorry if this is hard to understand I didn’t have enough time
Yea it’s way better for people who can’t see as well or running lower resolution screens. Cause I can see the 40mm very clearly at 1440p but back when I played on 1080p I also struggled to use the dusters for anti air because you can’t really tell if you are under or over-leading.
@@DawgIVLife yeah my eyesight kinda sucks sometimes so it takes a bit longer for me to see enemy planes and then my tv being probably 10 years old doesn’t help
1:20 the funniest thing is it wouldnt be hard for them to implement the M114A2. the premium T114 has the same chassis and the 20mm HS.820 (M139) is already in game.
As soon as I took it into a test drive, I knew it would be a demon.
i havent played it yet, but I tested it for some time and I felt these 50 cals do very little damage to planes. All I get are hits and praying for a fire
Dawg I love how of a nice gimmick this vehicle is. It looks just as hilarious as the skink, and the firepower makes it a serious threat and a really fun low tier monster. For me 10/10 addition even though M16 already does a good job. US low tier part of the tech tree really didn't get anything like that for a long time
like 6340 rounds shot by 6 x 50cals so the overheating mechanic is exactly what you said
I meant total rounds not individual barrels but even then it could be 2000 round etc it would be gaijins job to figure out what overheat they would want.
duster with the proxy would be so fun, and very effective
50 cal are good for plane but you need hit something important to make it work so if you only hit tip of wing or something like this it dont do much also you should wait the plane is in good range before shot and in a good possition . every time you shotted a one plane and complaining it dont work the plane was not in a good range or direction for you . i always wait and when i start to shot most of the time the plane die quickly
Using the T77E1 is pretty easy considering most of the us tanks I use have a 50 so I can for sure hit most shots, even up to 7.0 planes
17:35 make sense, but 6000 rounda are for 6 guns so 1000 rounds for 1 gun so 6000 round for 6 gun to overheat lol
Dawg, if a 50 can survive 1000 rounds and this has 6000, split with 6 50s then it's 1000 per 50
I know I was basing it off of total ammo count. Gaijin would have to figure out the proper amount from all the data that is collected.
@@DawgIVLife I think it's fine as is, although it could be moved down a step. You have a point with the overheating but it should be jamming instead I think.
The T77E1, a prototype self-propelled anti-aircraft gun, doesn't seem to have significant overheating issues. This might be due to the design, which allows it to fire multiple barrels simultaneously, preventing critical overheating.........Chat GPT
So you forget you have 6 guns, 1000 rounds per gun, and if you alternate fire of the barrels one can cool for a second , your basically in a primitive gattling gun that's why your only getting hits, instead of dead from all six guns slapping at once
This is going to be a tricky vehicle to balance because on one hand it's terrible against tanks, but on the other is an anti-cas nightmare lol.
I still think it needs to be 3.3 or even 3.0 though. This just doesn't have the tank killing potential to be 3.7. In my humble opinion at least.
I saw one of those yesterday and was what the heck is that, doink, now it's dead, lol.
You can front pen Pz4 and T34 with the duster.....i do it a lot
my only experience facing this thing is it instantaneously evaporating BOTH of my tracks
Yesssss I’ve even taken this to 8.0 and just destroy tracks
You said in the video that a 50 cal overheats after firing about 1000 rounds with no pause i assume. The T77e1 has 6 of them with with 6600 total which means each has a 1100 round belt. So if everything before is true then it shouldnt overheat as much in game
Yea what I was meaning is total rounds. Just a mistake I made while it being live. But overall it would be what gaijin decides the overheat, but specially with the rearm boxes you pretty much have unlimited ammo that can keep firing even over 6600 rounds.
@DawgIVLife i think they should give it some breathing room regarding overheating as 50 cals are not as deadly as other AAs
That 30 cal feeling like that one little white girl in the meme.
1100 round's a gun so the over heat is preety on point
i mean each gun only gets 1100 rounds so it would only get 1 overheat in its entire belt cycle right at the end
The low tier lazer
wasn't there a version of this vehicle with 2 or 4 20mm cannons?
It was a M19 with 20mm so it would be open top
i prefer m19 than m42, bcs m19 has -5 depression, m42 is -3. it's huge difference.
Saw one guy get a nuke with this in a 7.7 game, 5 planes 1 vehicle. Why bother shooting when the planes going down?
Me and 3 of my friend spawning the T77 and we had shit teammate but we scare the ennemy cas
4 players on a team spawning AA and doing absolutely nothing to help their team take caps or defeat the enemy ground units, you know, in GROUND battles... and then saying 'we had shit teammates'.
Classic War Thunder.
I hate the skink. Had it in British tree, don't know why they bothered with it in America
It’s not THAT bad, but the damage is too inconsistent combined with the bad drop off in velocity.
Bro it depends on the .50, not all .50s are the same
50.cal in this game not overheat and with ammo box addition in the game u can keep left click forever
Why are you posting this comment. You're just saying what he said in the video.
ah yes 69 shells,totally not very sus
Frog tank
would be a good as anti-infatry
it needs a nerf with overheating
a 1000 rounds well its have 1100 rounds by barrel
7:32 complaining that 4 of your team brought out this useless AA while you also brought it out is kinda dumb haha
50cal where fire when they made alot a fire if that make sense lol sorry english is my second language
Of fires
Play the Vextra 105 plz
So how is the rate of fire unlimited
Does not overheat and the new ammo boxes
He meant duration of fire. Which still isn't unlimited but may as well be.
6,000/6 = 1,000 per gun.
Lol this comment has a 'Translate to English' button for me. YT doesn't like math.
This thing is rank 2?!
Yeah, it's just .50 Cals, which have a lot of trouble hitting anything that is too fast or too far away. Unless a plane is coming head on at you, it's very hard to hit things.
The reason the 40mm AA vehicles are even higher tier despite being even HARDER to hit things due to their insanely low rate of fire, is that they are good tank destroyers too, while this thing can't hardly hurt anything more than a Puma.
@bellidrael7457 as a german main you genuinely cannot convince me that 50. Cals are as bad as you say.
I've faced enough american Tanks and m16's to know they are still quite capable beyond 2 km.
@@larshaas2658if ur getting shot down by .50s at 2km then you need to get better lol.
The curious thing about this is that the nation that most CAS spawn is the one that get a SPAA like this...
Oh please if anything low tier us cas isn’t really anything, not to mention that higher tier Russia and Germany have better spaa
Bruh, we needed more spaa and this is literally just 50 cals. Cope
Idk, i feel like the duster is easier to get air kills on because one roud of HE and the wing is gone. Plus aiming is easier
Low tier M163
Why mine is say
Us_t77e1
Either a problem with localization or you could be using a localization mod that changes the names of some of the vehicles.
Do custom kill message count?
Maybe I haven’t modded that in a very long time
I found tutorial to fix it but thnak so much i didn't realize is bug( i though gaijin forget to remove it or something)
imagine if insted of 50cals this had the mg151 i bellive its caleld which is a 15mm hmg found on that half truck sppa those hit super hard and are nice very to aim and easy
Would have never been built though, the Sd.Kfz.251/21 is a desperate vehicle.
Mg 151 are not meant to be used on the ground.
For any AA vehicles that don't overheat should gradualy lose accuracy or velocity as the barrels would have expanded to a point where the rifling isn't working properly
Or, hot take... CAS shouldn't be hard to shoot down in an AA because this is ground battles and most of us que up for ground battles to play ground vehicles against ground vehicles on the ground...
Anyone suggesting this thing needs any kind of nerf is almost definitely a CAS abuser.
T77E1 is good, but there presence makes US CAS players rampant. These days I am playing Yak-9B to destroy T77s and anti-CAS at once
naa 7.7 America sucks
You do sound like a noob yourself or a YAK 9K CAS pilot seeing a door being closed to his OP 45mm APHE round fired from a single engine fighter. The 50 cals are also great at destroying BT 5s and BT 7s.. There are lots of other vehicles this thing will be able to destroy much easier than an M 16 or CM 52. I have probably been shot down by tank main guns more than any of the U.S. 40mm Tank Destroyers that allow you to shoot "AT" planes. M 19 and M 42 should have their SPAA status changed to TD along with a host of other SPAA just like them.
The yak 9k can just out range the T77 plus you are 3.7 which does not face BT-5s or BT-7s
You are a noob if you don't think people use them at almost every BR in ths game. The Yak 9 K could out range lots of SPAA it is being shot down by yet it still is shot down.
@@paulking7019 Bro just started two comments in a row calling someone a 'noob'. Guy is either 16 or 40+.
Everyone plays rank 2 for like a week before moving on and never playing again.... this is trash use of resources.
People complaining, when US has biggest tech tree in the game and the best CAS but oh no we need an spaa Russian bias 😂 waaah
Parody for all nations is important specially if they have vehicles available like the M114.
Yeah because an su25 launching dickwad kh38's from beyond the range of any spaa is not broken and overpowered, and just spawn cap doesn't work when there's a pantsir covering it