An Answer to the Heresy of Hyper-Calvinism #1: The Family of God (Pastor Charles Lawson)
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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A Quick Look At: Predestination, Election, Israel, New Birth, and Life Force. Scripture: Ephesians 1:1-4
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Thank you so much Zion for posting these pressure sermon's. I just found Pastor Lawson 3 months ago. My faith has grown and I am grateful.🙏❤️
I have always understood predestination to mean that everyone is predestined to be the elect through Christ if you accept Him. I mean the bible clearly says that God wishes all to be saved. I mean, obviously everyone was predestined to be fallen from the foundations of the world as well.
That's because you're a Christian not a Calvinist. It's a doctrine of demons and it's fruits are religious pride and unbelief.
Can’t wait to watch Part 2, thank u for this Pastor Lawson. Wish I could take a trip to Knoxville, Tennessee and sit in that church 🙌🏼
It’s worth it!I drive trucks and got to go to a service a couple years back.Such a beautiful family of Christians.😃
@@bjones5791 WOW that’s so awesome, yes maybe one day GOD will make a way, I have a serious Over Active Bladder so road-trips for me aren’t the best 🤦🏻♀️ plus I’m in NYC lol so don’t know how long a drive but I’m assuming about 10 hours
Blessings to you and yours🙏🏼✝️🙌🏼⚔️👑
@@jennamarielovesjesus12 Ya’ll got Times Square Church,The Brooklyn Tabernacle,and Redeemer Presbyterian(Tim Keller)! I love all those Pastors as well!🥳💕👊
The question posed to Nicodemus is kind of redundant since he could not have been born again until after the death burial and resurrection..
Him being a teacher of the law would have no bearing, no one had a clue as to what would transpire when the Christ came..
Do you think they had a clue as to what Ezekiel was saying about a new covenant ?
Just a thought that came to mind..
Going to part 2 next
.love Pastor Lawson❤✝️🙏🙌
Thank you for posting🙏🙌
I love Jesus ❤️❤️💙 5/19/2020 forever ❤️
He affirms that Believers are chosen before the foundation of the world but then he's creating some scenario for the other people who are not chosen before the foundation of the world!!!
Chosen because they believe the gospel. Is not hard. Calvinists make it hard.
***..Powerful speech .. thank you pastor Charles ***
*_God Bless_* Pastor Lawson
I remember when he only had 2000 subs... Now over 10000! Keep the preaching going pastor Charles lawson!
I really appreciated this message and particularly the respectful way it was delivered. I look forward to viewing and listening to more on this channel.
God be with you and may Christ bless you and yours
No one has ever proven Calvinism wrong based Solely on the actual Scriptures. Paul meant exactly what he said in Ephesians and Romans and everything else he he said. Jesus meant what he said when He said "Many are called, but few are chosen."
You can be called and not chosen because you don't answer the phone.
Because they refuse to answer . God graciously gave us a free will
What did Jesus mean when he said many are called but few are chosen?? You cannot believe he is talking about Calvinism. Because Calvinism says that most people go to Hell and in that parable only one person was cast out and who was that? It was the one person who didn’t have on the correct wedding garment ( the righteousness of Christ) that parable disproves Calvinism.
@@ronaldridgardo2564 My friend, If you notice in Mathew 22:14 It say “many” are called not just one and that few, not just one is chosen. And yes this does prove Calvinism in one sentence.
@@randym.7238 that’s terrible interpretation. If it was teaching Calvinism majority of them would have been cast out at random. But no the one who didn’t have on the wedding garment was cast out. What Jesus is demonstrating is that those who are chosen to enter the Kingdom will be those who have on the wedding garments. This parable shoots Calvinism in the head how can the election be “unconditional “ when there is clearly a condition in this parable
These people should have meet my grandmother, she always said "Educated, they're so educated they're foolish! "
I Love Pastor
{Charles Lawsons}
HIS BIBLE TEACHING STYLE IS SOOOO EASY TO FOLLOW!!!!.....IT'S
Right from THE WORD OF GOD!!!....ANYONE WHO LISTENS....WILL MOST DEFINITELY LEARN SOMETHING🙏
Amen
He is such a great teacher , I love his sermons on Sundays but I really love his Sunday School teachings , he knows so much that other pastors his age and even a lot younger don’t know
He does A LOT of research and we can learn so much from Pastor Lawson
Blessings to you and yours🙏🏼🙌🏼✝️⚔️👑
Itching ears perhaps?
2 Timothy 4:1-4;KJV
Amen and Amen the Book of Romans is my FAV so yes it is a powerful book for sure Pastor Lawson and my FAV verse since I got Saved 8 years ago is Romans 8:28 🙏🏼🙌🏼✝️😇🔥⚔️👑♥️💯
Since we don't need to believe Calvinism and follow it to be SAVE (only born again Christians from ALL denominations will be saved) then I guess we were predestined (God has DECREED ALL things including our rejection of Calvinism) by Jehovah God to reject both Calvinism and Arminianism and YET BE SAVED.I am a 1-saved by the blood of the Lamb and His resurrection by Grace through Faith 2- bible believing Christian 3-NON_CALVINIST AND NON ARMINIAN AND PROUD OF IT.
Amen 🙏🏼
@Juan Pablo Zepeda Mar Let's talk about what you think in Calvinism is a teaching of devils. You have made a serious accusation against Calvinists. It is time for you to put up or shut up.
@Juan Pablo Zepeda Mar
I have rarely, if ever, seen a more brilliant display of profound ignorance about what we believe than what you have offered here. Where do you people get this garbage? It is likely that your comments do not merit a response. Nevertheless, I will answer each of them one by one. You wrote, " Due to the following reasons Calvinism is a doctrine of demons:
-1. it denies the faith by which we are justified to he saved (Romans 5:1-2; Romans 1:17, Habakuk 2:4). Why does Paul the apostle exhorts Corinthians to examine themselves (2 Corinthians 13:5) whether they are in the faith then? The answer is clear, because justification is by faith, how do you examine yourself whether you are in the predestination?
I dare you to provide a quote from any reputable Calvinist that gives the slightest indication that we deny the faith by which we are justified. We believe that justification before God is by faith alone in Christ alone.
Additionally, Peter exhorted his readers to make sure for themselves [middle voice] of their calling and election. One must do that by making sure of their conversion.
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@Juan Pablo Zepeda Mar
2. " It makes the Lord a liar by invalidating His Promise with Abraham through whom all families and nations were going to be
blessed (Genesis 22:18; Hebrew 6:13-20)."
God did not promise Abraham that He intended to save every member of the Gentile world anymore than He intended to save every physical member of Abraham's family. His promise was that He intended to extend the blessings of the gospel to Gentile nations as well as to the heirs of Abraham. God is always faithful to do what He has promised.
@Juan Pablo Zepeda Mar
3. You wrote " It attacks the Cross of calvary by arguing that Christ the propitiation of “elected people’s sins only; it’s very opposite, He is the propitiation of
the whole world’s sins (1 John 2:1-2)."
Calvinists believe that the death of Christ was of infinite value and abundantly sufficient for the expiation of the sins of the whole world. Its sufficiency is not the issue. We believe Jesus' death was sufficient to justify every sinner had that been God's purpose. The issue is whether He intended to secure the eternal redemption of every sinner whether they believe or not. Do you truly believe that it was God's intention to secure all the blessings of the New Covenant for those who will perish in unbelief?
Yes, Jesus is the propitiation [notice that the text does not say he MADE propitiation for the whole world] for the whole world. There is no other propitiation. If any sinner desires to be put right with God, there is no other satisfactory sacrifice. He IS the propitiation for the whole world. No other propitiation exists.
Isaiah 42:1
Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 Timothy 2:10
Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
How very thankful I personally am for Pastor Lawson - who is one of the ever fewer Pastors/Teachers that challenges his congregations to think about what does "the word of the Lord" say - for his desire is that those who truly are Biblically "born again" believers and followers of "our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" might believe and "know the certainty of the words of truth":
[9] ¶ Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line;
here a little, and there a little:
(Isaiah, Chapter 29 ~ KJB)
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.
[16] But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
(2 Timothy, Chapter 2 ~ KJB)
[11] ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the LORD:
[12] And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
[13] In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
[14] They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth;
and, The manner of Beer-sheba liveth;
even they shall fall, and never rise up again.
(Amos, Chapter 8 ~ KJB)
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Started out ok, but got lost in tangents.
Wish he'd take TULIP, one letter at a time and show the error, what it may be.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God
Romans 8:16;KJV
Impeccable logic.
Well spoken pastor.
This brother I’m sure well-meaning does not have an accurate understanding of hyper Calvinism hyper Calvinism is separate from Calvinism
Jesus said many will be deceived at the end time
Tulip, total depravity, unconditional election, limited atonement, Irresistible grace, “predestination”? It’s not predestination it’s perseverance of the saints.
Correct... 31:40 when a movement is based on hostility towards education, and populated by a roomful of simpletons, facts don't matter.
Not surprised. Usually the loudest know the least.
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God doesn't save sinners corporately. He saves sinners individually.
That's sermon was all over the place .
I believe his conclusions are based on someone else’s opinion and not on 40 years of bible study. He is a disciple of Peter Ruckman and it shows by his shallow understanding of scripture and Calvinism.
For the last couple years I have struggled with what my spiritual gift is. I'm not a teacher or full of knowledge and wisdom. The list goes on and I don't qualify. For those who aren't sure like I was, I would ask, how strong is your faith? That's a wonderful gift also.
***** Good advice!
regardless of gifts my brother, everyone can simply give people gospel tracts. O how many men got saved from the seeds planted by those silent preachers. handing out simple gospel tracts. God bless my humble brother :)
Julius Cox I disclosed my gift discretely, and did ask. I am very careful watching my pride and self righteousness. I have nothing to brag about in my life but Jesus Christ. Apostle Paul was given alot of revelation, so much so God put a thorn in his side to keep him humble.
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Julius Cox I asked God to give me a strong appreciation and love for Him. Once I had that everything else just fell on me like faith and discernment.
It just takes faith to operate in all the gifts. Ask God for the gift of faith to operate in them and He's good for it. Most of them have overlap. The Holy Spirit has manifested all 10 gifts of the spirit through me at various times as the need arose. And by 10 I mean the 9 listed in 1 Corinthians 12 and the 10th and greatest is Love listed in 1 Cor 13.
2022. AMEN!!!!!
You do not understand the difference between Hyper-Calvinism and Calvinism. No matter how you protest that it is all the same there is a huge difference between the two. I would be glad to help you understand if you want to contact me
Both should be thrown to the rubbish bin. They didn't call Calvin the tyrant of Geneva for nothing. Everywhere from John Owen, to Oliver Cromwell, France, South Africa, England where Calvinism gained supremacy has resulted in bloodshed. This damnable heresy should have been retired long ago. Calvinist worship their reformed theology. What sorted of crazed reading of the bible results in a God that predestines people to hell for all eternity simply to demonstrate his sovereignty. Its absurd.
@@Vedioviswritingservice
Spot on
Why do you say Christ I can never say Jesus you always say Paul his name but you never say Jesus name
This was really informative and helped me understand the nuances of what is actually being said. Whenever there is a dichotomy like Calvinism vs Arminianism the truth is often somewhere in the middle..... but did he really have to throw in the evolution denial though? Evolution vs creation is just another false dichotomy. Evolution is creation over time, and no I do not deny a single word of Genesis.
No there's nothing in the middle between Calvinism and arminianism. Arminianism is false. it is a Brazen denial of all the core doctrines of salvation and of the condition of man. Calvinism is falsely called Calvinism because it did not originate from Calvin it originates from scripture. Calvin was a Bible teacher. Calvin taught the doctrines of salvation correctly
Also evolution is absolutely ridiculous nonsense! Give me a break! You deny Genesis if you believe in evolution!
@@Rbl7132 Me: "I do not deny a single word of Genesis." You: "You deny Genesis" *_REALLY???_* How old are you, four? You think throwing a little temper tantrum is the spiritually mature way in which to tackle a complex scientific topic? Evolution glorifies God, as Romans 1:20 requires. Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground" is a *_PERFECT_* description of molecules to man evolution. Evolution explains why our sin comes from our flesh, it explains why we are slaves to our sin, and it gives context to the Fall in the Garden of Eden.... and evolution explains those things sooo so so so much better than the prideful legalism of Calvin ever could. The book of Hebrews teaches that we are in bondage to the devil because of our fear of death. That survival instinct is a direct result of, and explained by, evolution. The fact that such an instinct has been developed and ingrained over literally billions of years shows why we are powerless to overcome it on our own.
I like to think of it like a chess game.
The rules, and peice movement are all determined, but you have freedom in how you "play" the game. Same with sports. Just because there are rules does not mean you don't have freedom to choose. If you walk off a cliff and fall to your death you wouldn't blame gravity, but you have the choice to not walk off the cliff. You have freedom within the rules, but not freedom from the consequences of ignoring the rules.
I wish the audio on all these sermons was increased by like 15-20%
The catholic church doesn’t teach Christ failed at the cross… thats the opposite of their belief. So he would not answer because it’s not what he believes. He also doesn’t replace Christ. When you preach at the pulpit do you represent Christ? The pope is Christs representative on earth, and if you don’t agree with that, then thats okay - just don’t misrepresent the belief to do so.
Pastor Lawson,
You need to decide whether you are answering Calvinism or Hyper-Calvinism. If TULIP is Calvinism, and it is, it cannot be Hyper-Calvinism. Yet, you don't seem to be clear about what Calvinism teaches.
I agree Randall......Most free will Arminians hate predestination so much that they are just talking back to God. I too believe that God is opposed to hyper-Calvinism but I see that is where a Calvinist does not preach the Gospel. God clearly wants the Gospel to be preached because it is through the preaching of the Gospel that God saves the Elect that have been regenerated through the Holy Spirit.
You have asked to be shown where the Bible teaches that only the elect will be saved. One would assume that to be blinded in unbelief would mean that a person would not be saved. Paul wrote concerning his Jewish brethren, "Even so at the present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace [He is clearly not speaking about national election but about election to spiritual blessing in Christ] . . ."What then?" Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it and THE REST WERE BLINDED" (Rom 11:7). That clearly teaches that only the elect among the elect will be saved since THE REST WERE BLINDED in unbelief.
I didn't learn the doctrine of grace until I was 58 years old from old sermons preached by Charles Spurgeon, Jonathan Edwards, etc. Before that I only knew freewill Westlyian/ Finney based preaching. I have pages of verses that show election . It's the same old thing - preachers ripping on Calvin. Well , why not rip on Spurgeon or Whitfield, Edwards and a slew of great reformers
@@jakesarms8996 Because they preach Calvin's demonic doctrines not Spurgeonism, Edwardsism, etc. They were possessed by the same false holy spirit though.
Their God is who the devil would be if he were God--not who God actually is.
When I first heard of Calvanism, I felt so sick. I dont believe in this whatsoever. NOW. All it took was a little research.It seems that more than half of youtube pastors and teachers are Calvanist. 😢
I will answer his big question that he asked 25 minutes into this video that he thinks cannot be answered by people who believe the five doctrines of tulip... he asked "show me in the Bible anywhere from Genesis to Revelation that says only the elect are saved?
Answer: The Bible plainly teaches that all the people who will be saved and who are saved are the elect. There is no save the person who is not one of the elect.Those who are not yet Saved cannot know whether they are elect or not until they die, become believers,or if they commit the unpardonable sin and God reveals that to them.
Samuel Foley There is no verse that explicitly says only the elect are saved, but there is a verse that says the saved are elect and were chosen before the foundation of the world (Eph 1:4). So we know from this verse that there is no way a person can be saved without being chosen by God for salvation from the foundation of the world. I feel Mr Lawson wants us to believe there’s a possibility one can be saved without being elect, that’s not true because the Bible clearly says if a person become saved God predestined and elected that person before the foundation of the world.
The ONLY way a Calvinist can be saved is if they trusted Jesus Christ before they fell into preaching this false doctrine
You have no Idea how to understand scripture.
Agreed anyone who follows calvinism is not saved, it's different god, another gospel
I believe completely in predestination
I believe completely in God’s election
Where confusion sets in is WE DON’T KNOW WHO GOD HAS CHOSEN
So we live by the bible,walking in justification and sanctification
It rules out this idea that “why bother if the bride is already chosen”
Greg Stickler do you believe in predestination or the doctrine of predestination?
So to you, salvation is a roll of the dice despite what the Bible says about WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved? If God already "chose" who WILL/IS saved, then no matter what you do, you're in. No need to spread the gospel or evangelism. Fail...
Walking in justification and sanctification according to who? Do you have the mind of a God? If God already chose, why sanctification which is a process? Does God need a process to fulfill his will?
@@nojustno1216 You have imputed a belief to Calvinists that we do not believe. No Calvinist believes that salvation is "a roll of the dice." We believe that whoever calls on the Lord's name will be saved. No one will be saved "no matter what they do." Sinners will be saved only if they repent and believe. No one will be saved apart from hearing the gospel. Of course, there is a need to spread the gospel.
@@TheBereanVoice They will only “believe and repent” if they are chosen.So no you DON’T have to preach by YOUR own ridiculous spinning of the Word.You people ARE a literal circle talking religious bunch.Very one sided.....just too weird in what could be an amazing love story if you only had a choice.Which you don’t....according to you.🤷🏻♂️
and one of your sermons you said Satan the Christ which I understand and then you got Jesus the Christ what Christ are you talking about when you say Christ
Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus!
This isn't hyper Calvinism. Hyper Calvinism has to do with the likes of Westboro Baptist Church.
jetdriver26 TULIP is hyper Calvinism.
Either version is total garbage.
@@JonathanGrandt tulip is not hyper calvinism
Calvin lives rent free in these folks heads. 😆
It would be better if you at least defined "Hyper-Calvinism" correctly. You seemed to equate the TULIP with Hyper-Calvinism. In reality, TULIP is Calvinism. To be HYPER-Calvinistic would be to go beyond or above Calvinism.
Tulip? What is Tulip? If you mention a term could you kindly define. Thanks and God Bless.
@@stefaniestefan6689 TULIP is an acrostic that stands for five doctrines of grace. In my view, the terms [Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible grace, and the perseverance of the saints] are misleading. The doctrines themselves are found in the Canons of Dort. I would strongly suggest that you read those Canons. I would prefer to express the ideas differently. T Sinful rebellion and spiritual unwillingness. U. Sovereign election. L. Definite and effectual redemption, I effectual calling, P. Perseverance in faith of true believers.
@@TheBereanVoice I would prefer to express the ideas differently. Unbiblical garbage.
@@lanceschultz4851
People of minimal intelligence often resort to such scurrilous and vacuous expressions.
@@TheBereanVoice And all calvinists are known for holding a despicable view of Bible believers and conspicuously always fail to suppory their beliefs from what saith the Scriptures. Their faith standing in the wisdom of men rather than in the power of God they are always found referring you to the words of men instead of the words of God. Unbiblical garbage.
You-all better wake up
I would like to offer the pastor the verse he has been looking for about the bible saying only the elect are saved It's right there in Romans 11:7: "What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded". Perhaps the pastor would like to show us a place where anyone that is not elect is saved.
Romans 11:28
“As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.”
If they are the election and choosen people, and we who are in Christ are not the election, but of the gospel of salvation then by process of elimination we who are saved in Christ are not the election, and that is found later in the SAME Chapter you quoted, and the context is so strong you can't argue it without jumping through many hoops.
@@jondoe8014
I seriously do not get your point. How are you reading or (me thinks) misinterpreting this verse? Could you explain?
"and we who are in Christ are not the election,"
What?? Over & over again the Apostles refer to the church as the elect, please tell me you don't really believe what you wrote, that the church is not the elect.
Read the verse I cited, replace the word election with Israel like this.
Romans 11:7: "What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election/(Israel) hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded."
Can you see how the verse no longer makes any sense? First Israel does not obtain then she does obtain.
The elect are all those both of Israel & the Nations (Gentiles) who are granted salvation by the Father, & given to the Son by the Father. John Chapter 6
Please demonstrate what "hoops" were jumped thro?
@@fuzzycounsellor9147
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
This is specifically talking about isrealites...
All who came to Jesus was the elected remnant of Isreal that God reserved unto himself. All those Jews who came to Jesus were of the election.
Many are called, but few are choosen.
God calls the whole world, but he has a specific choosen. Jesus died for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD, but he came for his election.
@@fuzzycounsellor9147
The woman Jesus talks to he tells her I have not come for you. I've come for the Israel. These are the election that Jesus specifically came for. They were reserved to the Father. The rest were not reserved and thus blinded. They were blinded and crucified Jesus Christ. They will follow after the false prophet...they have choosen the star of their god....
THEY WENT OUT FROM US...............
If Johnny Calvin was correct on predestination , then lets stop preaching because what is the point, right?.And Christians please stop bringing children to this world because God might have selected some to be condemned and others to be saved.The wisest, save and loving thing to do is not to bring children to a world that has no assurance of salvation (is more like tossing a coin thing), please avoid it at all cost.Christian women please do not waist your time praying for your sons/daughters that are not Christians because resistance is futile, if God have decreed for them to not be saved they are going to hell either if you pray or not. At least in a non Calvinist church we have assurance that God will listen to our prayers concerning our loved ones and God will give them the same opportunity given to us concerning salvation. It must be a sad and tragic thing to be a Calvinist, NO HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Spot on, exactly and amen.
If God had not chosen some, Heaven would have none.
@@TheBereanVoice chosen before the foundation of the world is simply an example of God’s Providence . He knows the end from the beginning so he knows based on the free will he graciously gave us who would respond to him.
@@vanillacreem816 The problem with your view is that one must assume that some sinners are less hostile toward God than others and would respond positively to the gospel. The Scriptures are clear that sinners as a whole (not some sinners, not hardened sinners but sinners who are under divine condemnation} hate the light and will not come to the light. To all sinners by nature who are perishing, the gospel continues to be foolishness . All without exception reject the gospel unless God graciously calls them and unites them to Christ. Paul wrote that it is of HIM that we are in Christ Jesus. If you were correct. it would be of the sinner that they are in Christ. Free will is not the solution, it is the problem. I do not question that God knows beforehand all that will occur but that knowledge does not determine what will occur. God knows perfectly what He has determined will occur.
@@TheBereanVoice Yes we are all equally depraved and have a sin nature but we have the gift of reason and free will and that is why some accept his gift of salvation and others do not. Respctfully sir, the problem I have with your reply is that you are implying the false teaching of “irresistible grace” that God chose some of us and we have no say in the matter and we have no choice in responding freely to his love and that we can only accept him if he decides to choose us. He chose some of us and that’s it. That is a huge problem because then God basically wants mindless worshippers and servants. Sorry that is not the God of the Bible. I can point out dozens of scriptures where God gives man free will and choice and also reveal’s God’s heart that it is his will for ALL to come to repentance. ( Deuteronomy 30:19, John 3:16. 2 Peter 3:9, John 7:17, Joshua 24:15, Mark 8:34 ) Want more? How about Revelation 3:20 ? “Here I Am! I stand at the door and knock . If ANYONE hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person and they with me”. Yes, most will be lost because they CHOSE to reject his gift of salvation. Other than the doctrine of election which you Calvinists twist, you never provide any good solid scripture for this belief that God has only chosen a few and billions of others are “ predestined “ for Hell because God predestined it that way. Calvinism is a heretical evil false teaching as evil as John Calvin himself ( who bragged about committing murder) and I really fear for people like John McArthur, R.C. Sproul and others when they stand before God to give an account for peddling this false Gospel. Seek the Lord friend and open your heart to his Word.
The truth!!!
Yes Calvinist doctrine is a terrible heresy . It's NOT biblical folks !
The speakers premise is not accurate. Hyper Calvinism is not based in the acronym he cites (TULIP) Calvin is not the father of Hyper Calvinism. Rather, It finds its roots in the Netherlands, primarily in the Netherlands Reformed Denomination. John Calvin did not teach this error. Pastor Lawson, with all due respect, is setting up a strawman argument to support his position. There is a world of difference between Hyper Calvinism and Protestant Reformed Doctrine as it was rediscovered in the 16c.
I am still anxious to debate you. Please answer my challenge one way or the other.
I will: Irenaeus taught by Polycarp taught by the Apostle John: But man, being endowed with reason, and in this respect similar to God HAVING BEEN MADE FREE IN HIS WILL, and with power over himself, is himself his own cause that sometimes he becomes wheat, and sometimes chaff. (c. 180, E/W), 1:466
Ben,
Does the "I will" mean you will debate me? That would be great.
You must know that Calvinists don't deny free will in the since that sinners are the responsible and reasonable actors in all the decisions they make. Still, I am far more impressed with the grandfathers of the Church than with the fathers. There is a great deal of heresy in the writings of the so-called Church Fathers. I don't think I recall Jesus promising apostolic succession or giving apostolic authority to any beyond the orignaI apostles.
I would be interested in seeing a biblical quotation indicating that sinners, born in the image of Adam are able, of their own volition, to remove their own stony hearts and replace them with hearts of flesh. Perhaps an Ethiopian can change the color of his skin and or a leopard can choose to change his spots to stripes. Perhaps a noxious plant can decide to make its root good. What foolishness one could derive from the silly quotation you have given us.
If Irenaeus were correct [and cited in context] there would be no need for regeneration either causally [not chronologically] prior to repentance and faith or subsequent to the sinner's free reception of Christ. Jesus probably should have told Nicodemus, "It would be really nice if you would be born from above, but it truly isn't necessary." Perhaps Paul should have told the Corinthians that sinners are able to remedy their Satanically caused blindness by an act of their free will. After all, who needs the God who commanded the light to shine out of darkness [a creative act] to shine into sinners' hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Free will can be their savior. Who needs God to get involved?
Ben,
Remember that Irenaeus was writing against the Gnostic heresy, one of whose doctrines was that some are created spiritual beings and therefore good by nature and capable of gnosis and others are material beings, evil by nature and incapable of gnosis. For these heretics, "free will" in the sense that human beings are created with reason and freedom to choose according to their highest inclination at a given time, did not exist.
In order to understand the answer a person is giving, it is important to understand the question he is answering.
1 John 2:1 "My little children, I am writing these things to you that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." Limited? NOT.
24:50 of this very video ask a question that IS answered: "Where in the Bible does it state that only the elect are saved?" Charles Lawson says "Its not in there" But it IS>> Romans 9:13 and Esau. Esau was "Hated" by God BEFORE he was Born Period. I am done here. I pray that God Bless you this day and for ALL days through the redeeming blood of Christ
When I was but 8 years old I was sitting on the porch of my house in a thunderstorm pondering the great question "Is God Real?" and I asked out loud "God if you are there please show me that I might know" I asked because I wanted to know "Whats the meaning of life" and "Why am I here?" I said "if you are there show me a lightning bolt right there" (and I pointed) I wasn't asking as a "challenge" I was seeking God. At the very MOMENT I pointed a lighting bolt came from the ground and went UP >"HERE I AM" Praise and Glory to God in the highest!! God doesn't have need to prove Himself to ANYONE because He is GOD. But He does show Himself to those who seek Him. I give Thanks to God that He created me to belong to Him and that He didn't create me to Be Esau. Does that mean That I no longer need not seek God? NOOOOOOO!! If I stop seeking God I WILL BECOME Esau!!!
@@jamescurtis1226 yeah Esau represents the flesh and Jacob the Spirit.
I would love to see that debate. I am ex Catholic, my mom died last Sept. 2017, this last month I found a chaplet that said in a nutshell, whomever wearsthis at time of death shall go to heaven, promise of Virgin Mary. I was distressed, she did not have it on, thank God...
This gave me hope to believe in Jesus. I had a Calvinist day that he wants nothing to do with me.
Go listen to Dan Mohler “the real Gospel” here on RUclips,it’ll be a FAR better representation of Jesus than ANY Calvi can possibly present.👍
@@bjones5791 thanks lately I feel that God is punishing me. My recent video explains
@@AmberDennis001 i went and heard what you said .Look,I got married at 42 years old.But the common thread was our love for other people that came from our love for Jesus Christ.And i mean as in relationship,not some churchy religious way.Until you(or me or anybody) knows their purpose,their definitions of right and wrong,and KNOWS where they go when they die,then that person is “lost”.....and two “lost” people getting together and married and bringing children into this world has a very painful future waiting for them.Please take the time to truly listen to that Dan Mohler video i told you about.Do NOT lessen your value based on the sicko standards that society tries to put on you.You are unique and valuable.Don’t let anyone steal your heart until you know who you are in God’s family.People can be very cruel and will use your vulnerability against you.....I’m an emotional response team chaplain for disaster relief deployments,i’ve counseled many people that make very bad choices in their loneliness....anyway,keep your dignity and keep that chin up!...Brent
This preacher is 100% right!.There was always a distinction between the Jews and all other nations (gentiles).When Jesus died he died for all the world, Jews and gentiles.Paul said that the Jews rejected Jesus and the apostles turned to the gentiles to preach the gospel.He said that there will be a time when all Israel will be saved (inserted back into the original olive tree).Peter was confronted by Paul for trying to introduce Jewish laws and traditions into the christian gentiles, there you can clearly see that there was a distinction between a christian Jew and a christian gentile!.Although both Jews and gentiles make up the church (body of Christ) the prophesies concerning Israel (spiritual Jews) are to be fulfilled by Israelites and not gentiles.Like it or not there always going to be a distinction between the original olive tree and the branches of the wild olive tree inserted into it.Gentiles will never be the seed of Abraham according to the flesh, the promise was made to the seed of Abraham according to the spirit (which still is Israel ),any way you slice it is always refereed to Jews .We gentiles just got lucky (although God always had a plan to save all mankind) because the Jews rejected Jesus and the apostles turned to the gentiles, DEAL WITH IT!.
Ismael Rodriguez,
You have stated well what the NT means when the word Kosmos is used. "When Jesus died he died for all the world, Jews and gentiles" Not all without exception but all without distinction.
@@TheBereanVoice Do you not have your own channel? Why not go there and print what you believe instead of trolling those who disagree with you? Why you Calvinists spend more time acting as if you worship Calvin and his false doctrines over God is a mystery. It wasn't Calvin who was crucified for the world, yet so many of you try in vain to equate him with God. Sadly Calvinism has in recent years degenerated into a cult no better than Mormons or JWs. You have to admit that you venerate Calvin the same as Mormons do Joseph Smith and the JWs Charles Taze Russel.
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If Calvinism were being accurately represented. I would not waste my time trying to argue with those who don't agree with it. I attempt to answer all the comments that are made on my channel. If you do not wish me to comment here, tell the pastor to accurately represent our views. It would also be helpful and instructive for those who visit the channel to see that kind of interaction.
Please give me even one example of any Calvinist giving even the slightest indication that we thing Calvin is worthy of our worship or that we think he was in any way equal to Him.
We appreciate Calvin's contributions to Christian theology but we in no way venerate him. There are many areas in which many of us would disagree with him. The designation "Calvinist" is only a theological nickname for those who believe in soteriological monergism.
It would be helpful if you and your ilk would study a bit. If you did, comments like mine would be unnecessary.
Love you pastor!
This is a perfect example of how not to do hermeneutics. You can’t cut apart the Bible and make every verse only applicable to a certain group of people even in the New Testament. Regeneration has always been the means by which a person is enabled to repent and believe. Predestination has always been the means by which a person is determined to repent and believe before he exists. Election has always been the means by which God chooses who will be saved. Foreknowledge has always been God’s eternal love for specific people. This guy has no clue.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68
Isaiah 5:13
Lamentation 4:8
Lamentation 5:10 etc all happened to black people. The real Hebrew are black people nation of the world. Blacks people are the chosen but because we forsake His Law we are given into bondage of captivity, unlawful imprisonment, slavery, poverty, and famine. Through, our hope Messiah, however, gentiles are invited to join hope of glory just to make Israel jealous. As our messiah said as well ”And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd” John 10:16 gentiles whether you are Greek or Arab, Anglo-Saxon or whatever you are invited and granted this unspeakable gift of Almighty creator of all. Which is admirable and of course should make Israel (black people) makes jealous as we were the only chosen and accepted ones who were elected to serve and worship him. But we time and again turned our face from the Most High Amlake (creator) and so we are seen through history being forgotten nation, deprived, without knowledge of our history or who we are to that matter.
I love everyone who believes in the Messiah, but the truth needs to be told as it is. We are all called through Him but Israel is the chosen people that we see today landless, Godless, lawless, etc. The time will come all black people will wake up from the deep sleep. Pray for Israel so Almighty wakes us up, so he gathers us from the places we are taken and held as a hostage to this days. Pray the poverty yoke the heathen brought up on our African and Islanders nation shall be lifted. Pray so our messiah comes quickly to deliver us.
There is no other nation other than black people who endured the curse of almighty Gid as we have forsaken his law. What does that tell you? True Israelites are BLACK PEOPLE! the ones who claim they are ”jew” which is a none existent word in holy scripture is not true Hebrew Israelites. Revelation 3: 9 ”Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee”
I love pastor Lawson and His teaching but I beg to differ on the explanation of who true Israelites are. We must be able to point to the forgiven nation if we believe the Bible is the true word of the living God. So when we look around we only find the 12 tribes of Israel being forgotten and under an invisible chain of the heathen.
Africans (Dan and Judah), black Americans (Judah) Hispanics (Ephrem) islanders (Zebulun) etc are the 12 tribes of Israel.
Absolutely not. Get out of here racist.
Your cult is of the devil.
Show you one place where it says only the elect will be saved? 2 Thessalonians 2:13, “We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, beloved by the Lord, because God elected you before the foundation of the world to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.” God chose people to believe the truth and be sanctified by the Spirit. Look at that, the elect are the only ones who will be saved.
the ones who will be saved are the ones who believe.
Or they don't actually believe what they are preaching to begin with and really only trust in Christ...fat chance though. Not impossible
Did you ever notice that the people who are always talking about salvation are the only ones who are saved?
Lawson does the same thing that he blindly accuses the Calvinist of doing. And he speaks with such arrogance and smugness.
He's using scripture, so your problem is with God's word
@@thizz707gr Wrong again!
@@thizz707gr Even the devil uses Scripture. Does that mean we have a problem with God's Word if we find fault with the way he uses it?
@@TheBereanVoice are you telling me Charles Lawson is from the devil?
@@saved6655 No. I am saying that simply because a person used or misuses Scripture is no indication that they are speaking truth. If that were the case, then people positing contradictory ideas would all be teaching God's truth simply because they are using verses of Scripture. I would imagine that he is a very nice man but he has been badly misinformed.
Why do you people all have to say "verse NUMBER one?" Just say verse one and you won't sound so ignorant.
Who are you, the grammar police? Your postings and self-righteous pontificating is as arrogant as your screen name. Try following what GOD said in his word instead of your exclusivism crap shoot of a cult called Calvinism.
You wouldn't sound so ignorant if you had kept that comment to yourself.
@@jamesfountain3474 All of you ignorant fundies do it. It is a shame that isn't the only thing you are ignorant about.
very timely for me thanks to all concerned glory to god. only the elect saved a big question i can see that is difficult for the followers of Calvin even the moderates
Melvin Child
"The elect have obtained it [a righteous standing before God] and the rest were blinded." That clearly teaches that only the elect will be saved.
Oh look, he’s an indpendent, fundamentalist, KJV-only Baptist. That explains everything.