How has the Falklands War changed Argentina, 40 years on? - BBC News
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- It's 40 years since the Falklands War, a ten-week armed conflict between the United Kingdom and Argentina over two British dependent territories in the South Atlantic.
Argentina lost the war, but to this day it maintains that the islands belong to them.
The country's president told the BBC that he will keep fighting to get them back, and has accused Britain of colonialism in the 21st Century.
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- the English discovered the islands in 1690
- the English founded port Egmont in 1766
- Argentina was founded in 1816
- the majority of the population is of British ancestry
- the island voted 99.80% to remain British
- the fascist Argentinian government invaded under baseless claims and lost
why is this even a discussion
because Argentina is pathetic.
the islands was abandon, when the first people to live and have a goverment were argentinians. until 1833 when the british army
threw out the locals by force and stole the island. the islanders who live today have not recognition because are introduced population. by the way the dictatorship was employed by the CIA aka your daddy
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The way the presenter kept going on about taking back the islands really pissed me off.
They never had the islands.
In our family we are proud because my father killed 5 English soldiers, two of whom cannot be recognized, they were disfigured, it is sad to die for an island that they did not know existed
The Argentine government used the dispute with the islands as a way to distract from their internal problems, and it worked.
is a national caouse you know nothing of us.
They always have.
Argentina is always a poor Latin American country using Falkland as a way to distract their population
@@santiagoalvarez4259 you got annihilated, and you will if you try again. A bunch of no body’s fighting the 2nd biggest army in nato , hahahahhah
Yeah, for the two months that the war lasted because of the propaganda and censorship machine that the dictatorship had set in motion since 76'. Once the war ended, the popularty of the military junta crumbled even more and it followed the return of democracy for good in 1983.
“Why do the English have to come so far to occupy some land?”
Well……..are Argentinians going back to Spain then?
The majority of the Argentine population is of Italian descent. Suggesting they could be sent back to Spain would appear an odd, and ill informed choice of destination for them.
...or back to Naples?
@@Sergeant_Fury true
Thats what they did for centuries: Invade, opress and profit. “Rule Britannia…. “
Argentines are one of the more overtly European people of South America. It's cute when they complain about "muh colonialism".
When you defeat an enemy so badly that there still salty about it 40 years later
UK is a buccaneer nation. We won't surrender
@@SM-zm5xt you can't surrender if you have already been beaten
@@SM-zm5xt oh yeah weren’t you the guy who made a boldface lie about history?
@@SM-zm5xt you surrendered in 1982.next time we will invade Argentina itself
@@SM-zm5xt Britisans shall never be slaves that means also Americans too we are the same and Americans are usually if not all half British I'm kinda half British I think if I look like it a bit by my face
"waning power of dictator, inexperienced soldiers with the wrong guns" sounds awfully familiar
@@LouisTsuiful No, One, Cares.
@@LouisTsuiful the islands were unoccupied when the British arrived. It was a British colony before Argentina even existed as a country. The islands have never been part of Argentina do some proper research in future ....oh wait you can't in a communist dictatorship can you
@@LouisTsuiful Taiwan now belongs to the Taiwanese, Falklands belong to the Falklanders and they want to be British just like the Taiwanese wants to be Taiwanese and not slaves to the corrupt evil murderous CCP. Falklands never belonged to the corrupt second-world country of Argentina.
They had decent weapons actually.
@@LouisTsuiful really the 2013 referendum said 99 percent of people on the islands felt a British identity and connection. I don’t know what you are on about exactly. 99 percent feels British, there is no connection to Argentina. The Argentinian government never stopped to think whether the Falklands peoples even wanted to belong to Argentina, whether they really had the support of the UN they claimed they had or even whether they had an historical claim to the islands.
The islands really are British.
As an argentinian i needed to say that i completely repudiate war no matter where it is, and i also feel this country should move on from something that happened long ago because of the desicion that our drunks and militar dicatators took. But there is no need to be a xenophobe like i saw in most of the comments. A big hug to those who lost someone and the english or argentinian reading this. Lots of respect for both cultures.
Hi, I left a comment above yours, the circumstances of which you are probably unaware of. Respects to you.
Juan I totally agree …war is not the answer 🙏
@@stuartmccall5474 sorry man i'm not finding your comment, tho both countries had their circumstances and reasons for doing what they did a war were kids of 18 yo were forced to fight shouldnt had happened. Big respect for your country
@@DonVillegas : Hi Juan, it was 1 hour after yours, but here it is below with the Wiki Reference.
The Government of Argentina certainly have built a beautiful War Memorial Wall in Buenos Aires (?) for Argentinians citizens to pay their respects to the soldiers who died in the conflict. It's a great pity they didn't show the same respect to the mortal remains of the same soldiers immediately from the conflict when they refused to have anything to do with "the fallen" and left it to the British Forces to disinter the bodies from their scattered "shallow graves" and re-bury them, with full Military Honours, in a purpose built Cemetery in East Falkland, which the British Forces maintained thereafter. Only a very long time after the War did the Argentinian Government agree to assume their responsibility for the maintenance of their soldier's graves. Better late then never?
Read this please and reflect, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Military_Cemetery.
I've added this video, ruclips.net/video/UpdeNcH1H8A/видео.html which is of the actor Kenneth Branagh playing the part of Lt Col Tim Collins during a later very dubios War, (know in the UK as George Bush Jnr's Hallibuton Oil War), but the ethos remains the same as the previous war.
Yes, the same situation exists today of a Government using young (and badly trained?) conscripted Russian soldiers in Ukraine to do it's own dirty work.
Respects to you.
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I don't understand how you can invade somewhere that wasn't yours to begin with, lose and have many men on both sides killed and still feel anger to the people you attacked...
Indeed. The one dissonant in this clip was the lady who said she could never "forgive" the British. YOU could never forgive THEM? That was sooooo wrong....
Uruguayan here.
You should start by understanding that the Argentinians feel very deeply that the Falklands are theirs
So "the people you attacked" becomes "the people that attacked us" when you see their perspectives.
@@marcosmartinez760 Fair point. The trouble with the Argentine view here is that they are suffering from the notable disadvantage of being completely wrong.
@@marcosmartinez760 I do understand that, however in 1849 I could understand those feelings, maybe 1949, but by the 1980's man.. when you have done nothing to try and get it back, it's done. If you look through the history of the Falklands, it was never Argentine. The people are British and want to be British. Believe me, I fully support causes around the world that few people do like the Palestinian cause. I just see this as a way for the Junta at the time to expand their power and authority and for people now we have some shame.or embarrassment over losing. Things like that happen, they should have never picked a fight with us.
Falklands will always be English, they have been for 40 years since the war. Given what happened in Ukraine, pretty sure the Islanders would defend themselves this time.
The Spanish ancestors of the Argentinians did 👍🏼
Get the island... "back"? The islanders are British, have always been British, speak English, and have no interest of being ruled by Buenos Aires. Spain has more claim to the islands than Argentina and yet they still hold no claim. It's time for the Argentines to move on.
You stole the islands in 1833, you buccaneers
@@SM-zm5xt lmao keep telling yourself this. Spain has more claim to the islands than Argentina ✨
los kelper son usurpadores
We are already satisfied with Gibraltar 🗿
Brits make up 25% of the population and they still voted in favor of remaining under British control.
Can I just point something out: the first Englishman, Captain John Strong, in 1690, landed on the Falklands, just ahead of the French in 1701. The country of Argentina wasn't established until 1816. There are lots of countries that have islands as colonies. The Reunion is in the indian ocean next to Mauritius yet it actually constitutes part of France. It's not a French colony, it's actually part of France. Spain has far-flung islands that are part of the Spanish state. Why are the Argentinians so hung up about the Falklands, occupied by the British before Argentina was even a country. It's also entirely occupied by Brits.
This is what happens when generations pass down their beliefs. It makes no sense and the only reason given in this video is because they're connected by the same planet 🤷.
You guys should of just listen to the USA
France gave up their claim of the Islands. Therefore the UK have the rightful claim.
Don't forget when the British got there it was completely uninhabited
And the first Spaniard was Magallanes in 1520 sooooooooo
I'm Uruguayan so you I'm leaving this fact here so you Brits and Argentinians keep fighting for a useless piece of land in the middle of nowhere
The people of the island voted, they chose the UK. Unfortunately in their eyes, Argentina was an aggressive invader and they wouldn’t accept them.
That's really ironic, because UK conquered half of the world by force
@@SM-zm5xt This is a strawman, the British literally discovered the Falkland islands and they were completely uninhabited when they did so. This isn't a case of British colonialism, by this logic the people of European descent in Argentina should leave and return it to the natives.
@@SM-zm5xt *25% actually.
Because the population was replaced.
@@Muralidharan001 There you people go always going on about replaced population, any source to back up your claim? The islands were uninhabited when the French and the British discovered it, all the settlements on the islands are built by the British, and all the islanders were and are British. Deal with it.
Let's not forget that it was Argentina that invaded the Falklands, and started the war. They captured and imprisoned the local residents, and it was then that the British forces engaged the Argentinian army. Let's get the facts right. Sadly, for the Argentinians, it was their own government, who was responsible, for the loss of life.
another fact of the matter is that the british army bombed british civilians to death, while the argentinians occupied the island without inflicting any casualties.
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@@SpaceMongoose cope
my bet ... you will have to go back ..you only won a battle ... now you are broke , rationing ( QR codes ) ... and not the military 40 years ago OR worse the stuff you do have is obsolete
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Parts of northern Argentina were taken from Paraguay 150 years ago. Would Argentina give it back if Paraguay demands? I don´t think so. It doesn´t matter the past. What matters is that for 142 years (from their Independence in 1818 up to 1960) they had done nothing. After such a long time, the Falklands are now British. The time lapse between the fact and your claim is observed even for private matters. The legal system of many countries states that if someone ocupies your property and you do nothing, after some time you lose it forever.
Luego de las independencias latinoamericanas hubo cientos de guerras en donde todos ganamos y perdimos territorio, argentina desciende de las provincias unidas del rio de la plata, dicho territorio tenia bajo su poder a todo uruguay, partes de chile, bolivia y peru, los cuales se fueron perdiendo entre guerras y tratados, lo mismo con los territorios conseguidos, el noreste y el sur se consigui de la misma forma entre tratados y guerras con paises vecino.
El tema de las ISLAS MALVINAS es que un pais que no tiene nada que ver con america latina vino a invadir un territorio por el cual no tiene argumento por reclamar, ademas argentina se quejo de la usurpacion desde 1833 contra reino unido, con la creacion de la onu y todo eso se hizo mas popular, pero el reclamo existe desde 1833
I agree with the comment pointing out that the question the interviewer keeps asking "... Argentina getting BACK the island" is fundamentally incorrect. Argentina never held the Island in the first place as it was claimed by the Spanish and it was UNINHABITED before. Inhabitants of the island now are 99% against being part of Argentina. I believe that their opinion is most important.
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That's a common lie spread in the UK, that there weren't anybody living on the islands. The population of the islands was expelled in 1833.
Whatever it's dishonesty or ignorance, it's not right. But well, it's the British Empire, they will always try to come up with new facades for old habits. An old dog never learns.
How many overseas territories the UK still have? It's quite embarrassing.
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Opinions of the thieves have no value.
@@diezgp the British were first to settle it? And they live there.
Argentina just wanted to commit ethnic cleansing
Who's migrating to that Island?
The Falklands were British before Argentina was even a nation state.
By that logic, Surrey should be run from Rome.
Tejas was Mexico way before America was a independent colony
Argentines are dreamers... Not do-ers. This is why they failed to reclaim them when they had their best chance. They dreamed that the UK would not fight.. And they were wrong.
@@eroche913 The Roman Empire ceased to be, you idiot. So no continuity of rule there, unlike the Falklands.
@@eroche913 the islanders wish to be British, I'm not sure those in Surrey wish to be Roman (which doesn't really exist as the same entity anyway). Besides, people lived in Surrey a long time before the Romans invaded, so in this situation the Romans are more like the Argentines, temporary unwanted invaders.
Surprising how deluded the Argentines still are it's a bit sad really time to move on
They have moved on ... this is just a very poorly presented video.
@@DarylBaines Half Argentine here… it’s less that they “moved on” and more that the issue has become “background noise”. The delusion is still there.
Would have been nice to see Argentines with dissenting opinions, who do exist.
@@LouisTsuiful Get on with your trolling on tik-tok, will you?
@@LouisTsuiful If hell were to freeze over and Argentina capture the Falkland Islands, it won't change anything for you. You'll still live in a dump.
@@keepingitwild5994 nope I’m free to say what I want here , this is called freedom of speech!
I'm Polish, and I just don't understand why is it even a question. Those lands were uninhabited and then came the British with their populace to colonise it. From what I read, later there were some issues with Spanish and then, even more later in the XIX century there was honestly a laughable attempt from Argentina to claim those lands which were already under British control. Did I miss anything because I just don't get it. By what right the Argentina tries to claim those islands?
Porque las islas fueron descubiertas por la corona española en 1520 e integradas al virreinato del rio de la plata (lo que hoy es argentina), los ascentamientos franceses y britqnicos previos a la independencia de argentina fueron temporales y españa se quejo de eso por lo que las islas quedaron nuevamente bajo control español.
Con la indeoendencia de argentina, las islas estaban desabitadas y por estar dentro del mar argentino se las incluyo como territorio, para 1833 (cuando reino unido usurpa ilegalmente las islas) vivian aproximadamente 200 gauchos criollos, las islas no estaban desabitadas, ese es un cuento del reino unido para tener las islas, que les representa un punto estrategico para tener poder en el atlantico sur
@@gaston2379The islands were not discovered by the Spanish, there is no verifiable evidence of that. Sorry, but the first verified landing and recording of the islands was British captain John Strong in 1690. Had the Spanish actually claimed it and discovered it then they would have left written documents saying as much.
@@Valencetheshireman9271690 jajajaj 170 años antes ya habian sido descubiertas las islas, la misma gran Bretaña lo reconocio, hasta hubo tratados en donde se incluian a las islas como territorio español, la historia es una sola, y demuestra que Reino Unido es una nación invasora
@@gaston2379 No Hablo espanol.
@@Valencetheshireman927 Don't you know that Google Translate exists? I don't know any English, like most of my compatriots.
Interesting documentary.
In my opinion, as an Argentinean, I think the irrational spirit behind the Falklands / Malvinas claim is well represented here. We could say that mine is as "free" as any other country in the Western World -and in general terms we Argentines are far from being nationalistic. However, the "Malvinas cause" revives an irrational fervour, where we don't know exactly what the implications of our claim are. I see it in some people like a sick, passionate thing, similar to our sick passion for football. Here our rationality breaks down. As I said, I feel free to express myself in my country but I'm afraid to say this since "Malvinas" is a deep wound with strong nationalist (irrational) elements.
We have no doubt that the 1982 invasion is the condemnable action of a fascist government. That nationalist fervour is today, 40 years later, irrational and unacceptable.
As Argentines, we can discuss the past: whether "British colonialism", whether the first "owner" was Argentina or Britain, whether geographical proximity, and so on - but there is a moral (most important) aspect that we're leaving aside. If our claim is a form of "justice" against British colonialism, we must start by accepting history and respecting the will of those who live on the islands. The opposite of colonialism would be the freedom of people to choose. A land is, first and foremost, the people who live on it and they (in this case) identify themselves as British citizens. We Argentines have no right to impose another flag, other institutions, another identity on them: to "Argentinise" the Falklanders would also be a form of colonialism. I believe the problem of land management is complex and there are many issues to be addressed but if we wish to "do justice", we must begin by interpreting the facts clearly and respecting the will and freedom of every person in the world. We can discuss everything else on the basis of respecting this moral and rational principle.
My regards to my British friends - and please pardon my English.
Thank you for contributing. And your English is very good!
@@olivermoore7020 Thank you, Oliver. I appreciate it!
Your English is better than most native English speakers.
@@pecadodeorgullo5963 Thanks. Appreciate it!
Ok, pero hay que recuperarlas. No importa la situación...
Taking the Falklands against the wishes of its population, now THAT would be 21st century imperialism, Mr. President of Argentina.
Unlike what we done in Iran in 1953? Iraq, Libya, Yemen and so on?
@@gerardwhite6406 Yes, unlike that. Because those are examples of injustice. The British ownership of the Falklands is not. Any comparison is silly. To me this question has a simple answer: ask the bloody population!
no. autodetermination is the same argument that putin is using to pravail above territorial integrity. you are being imperialist and neocolonialist
@@oddespenjenssen2236 So let the Scotts leave the union! And give back Northern Ireland to Ireland...how does that sound?
@@peterp7541 Sure. Why not? That may well happen.
Sending young Argentine, untrained and unmotivated conscripts into battle against the 2nd largest military in Nato was never gonna end well...
I think the 2nd Falkland wars is coming as China is very supportive of the claims of Argentina on Falkland Islands.
When did Argentina send conscripts to fight the USA? 🤣
@@richardthomas598 USA has the first biggest military in NATO and this was 1982 when the UK military was bigger.
could easily have won though, they made loads of mistakes, and britain were fighting on the longest supply line in any war in history, with only 112 harriers to contend against their entire airforce
@@internetenjoyer1044 *42 harriers 👍
The Argentine writer Jorge Luis Borges described the war as "a fight between two bald men over a comb". LMAO!!!
You don't get to claim that you own a territory, when clearly the island's inhabitants voted 99% in favor of being under British rule.
because the inhabitants are British that's why
@@gvi341984 yes precisely. Because in the 21st century we believe in self determination. The inhabitants of the falklands feel British, and overwhelmingly want to be British. Therefore, the islands are British. Is it so hard to understand?
@@eddie5871 It's a military base with the civil population being part of it.
Falklands are a pointless piece of land. Yet the crown easily gave up Hong Kong with the Chinese.
@@gvi341984 so are you saying that Russia should be able to take Ukraine, without caring to as what The 40 million Ukrainians think? I guess USA can claim Canada too while you’re at it. Or the British can reclaim all of North America. Who cares what the inhabitants think.
@@gvi341984 And what's wrong with that? Before their arrival there were no native inhabitants.
The fact that this topic remains so prominent in Argentine society is just sad. Just imagine if Germany, after all the blood shed, was still coveting the Sudetenland.
Sad is neocolonialism
@@arielhudson7490 Argentine neocolonialism is very sad. A expansionist state yearning to impose it's will over a free and sovereign people. Shame.
@@gooser2583 ohh yeah totally.. thats why 95% of nations doesnt agree with uk sovereignty of the malvinas islands. you have to aknowledge at least that there is a reason of why you became one of the most hated nationalities around the world. I dont hate you but you have issues even with your neighbors
@@arielhudson7490What utter rubbish. I encourage you to educate yourself, instead of making excuses for Argentina's inexcusable nationalism, imperialism and expansionism. Britain is doing Argentina a favour by maintaining sovereignty over the Falklands. This way, generations of corrupt Argentine politicians can stir up anti-British hatred in their country, keeping their poor population distracted from all the issues that plague their nation, all over some worthless rocks in the South Atlantic. They're welcome! 🇫🇰🇬🇧
@@arielhudson7490 The British may not have the best colonial legacy but I don't think the Falkland have anything to do with that. At the end of the day, it was a bunch of uninhabited islands that Argentina only occupied for barely three months before getting kicked out by the British. Even the Americans and French stayed there longer than Argentines.
This topic is weird, Argentina was created by displacing the natives and then a stronger nation shows up and now they're the victims somehow. It's like occupiers vs occupiers.
Even more hypocritical when you realise it was the River Plate colonies at the time because that was 'Argentina'. Everything South of the river plate was conquered about the same time as or after 1833. Argentina's own logic would justify them giving up half the mainland back to that original inhabitants.
Not like englands entire modern history is about being a imperialistic superpower that oppresed Africans, Indians and irish
@@Mestrecker if you don't know the difference between England and Britain it's unlikely your history is good enough for this convo.
and the fact that argentina neer had a population on the Islands. they had a small private venture, but it was explicitly under the oermission of the crown becuase they were Britishb territory.
@@internetenjoyer1044 yes, it's believed the farmers on the island had permission from the British as they were not ejected, only the garrison.
I wonder how Argentinians feel about/ have the same opinions, about returning stolen lands to the mapuche people in the south?
The greatest irony regarding the aftermath of the Falklands war in Argentine politics is that just a decade prior, the previous government in London before thatcher came into power considered the Falklands to be a worthless remnant of the empire that the heavily downsized post ww2 royal navy had to waste it's very limited resources defending and was even considering giving them up. Had Argentina waited another decade or two there's a strong chance the UK would have volunteerly handed them over had the labour party been in power mostly to free up funding but no, that would have been too easy.
Well, good job Argentina, now the UK is never going to give it up mostly to spite you, and offshore gas deposites have been discovered in recent years so it turns out the Falklands aren't so worthless after all. But at the end of the day the Argentine government pretty much exclusively relies on the Falklands dispute to distract their population whenever their volatile as hell economy sinks to a progressively deeper rock bottom so it's not like they actually want the current status quo to change either I suppose.
that was the overwhelming view here where I live too - it was so stupid to take it by force, they almost let it float away themselves. But taking it by force made it kind of impossible for the British to give it up, whatever the cost.
@@koborkutya7338 a sad statement but so true, its national pride for both countries now so can't be finished as neither will give up
Let’s have it right the fucklands hus been ah handy prop fur colonial sycophants tae prove how British they ur , it also is true that British parliament wis close tae booting it tae fck until it’s usefulness became so cringingly attractive
Fancy being any more xenophobic about a country in sure you've never visited. Personally I found the Argentinians to the friendliest South America. Even to an, Englishman.
Yes they might have given it back then but we were in a giving back colonist land mood weren't we. I wouldn't be so sure. The Tories never would, they a half a hard on for imperialism. But Labour might. Our moral right to the land isn't exactly a strong one. I also wouldn't be so sure The UK will always remain as powerful as it is now.
Would be interesting to explore the meaning of colonialism in this context. There wasn't a huge economic benefit or abuse of local area or population (there were no people there). Everyone there identifies as British subjects. This isn't Jamaica or other colonies that were oppressed.
It is still occupation of land that Argentines may have visited. This is too narrow a definition of colonialism
@@ontherox2266 so any land people can visit is now colonized land? No, this definition doesn’t work
@@ontherox2266 You do realise Argentina is a colonial nation right? That has oppressed and ethnitically cleansed its own indegenous people.
Well where the hell were the Jamaicans We the Americans, the Irish and the South Africans fought for their independence????
@@ontherox2266 Colonialism would be invading the islands and oppressing the people living there.
You can't 'get back' something you never owned.
I agree
Fueron parte de las provincias unidas del sur (predecesora de la República Argentina) hasta 1833 cuando fueron ocupadas por el reino Unido y expulsaron a la población que allí vivía
Most of our colonies already have regained their sovereignty.
@Dan Beech Al contrario, incluso se designó a Luis vernet como gobernador de las islas malvinas
Remember that in 1833 there were Argentines living on those islands in peace. We were allies but unfortunately you decided to take our land anyway and throw out the Argentines who lived there. So we can get back the Malvinas islands.
Argentines citizen suffer from a Cheap and Absurd Patriotism (Collective Delirium) over the issue of the Falkland Islands. 😮
JH 🇩🇰
What about Schleswig-Holstein?
Pathetic that they use Maradona to try and salve a humiliating and complete defeat. A British soldier with a fixed bayonet is a slightly different proposition to a silly soccer game that involves evasion and essentially... running away from your opposition.
Marradona had his issues but should be remembered as a football genius
How scoring a couple goals is comparable to defeat in war with about 650 dead i will never know 🤣
It's a coping mechanism
@@nosferatuoddz7974 Some mechanism ha ha.
Maradona actually tried to inflame things over The Falklands with various stupid remarks.
The irony of a lady (speaking Spanish and most likely of Spanish decent) saying ''why do the English come so far to occupy a place that isn't their's'' is absolutely hilarious 😂😂
The British claimed the land before Argentina was even a country, no people were Iiving on rhe Falkland islands, plus their Argentinian ancestors took the land from the natives 😂👍🏼🇫🇰🇫🇰🇫🇰🇫🇰
Mr, it was not Spain who let Argentina be independent, is the national historic leaders who made it possible, such as Jose de San Martin, who himself was of spanish descent and not only led the army that freed Argentina but the one who did so in Chile in 1818, and Peru in 1820. Argentina was literally born out of expelling the colonialists. And your comment is not a big discovery, 70% of Argnetine population has italian or spanish relatives, in fact the food, the music, the arquitecture, there is a good relation with them as many emigrated from the destroyed Europe in the 1940s and before that in the 1910's, of course that they're very welcome in Argentina and even also the other way around. But Argentina's independence is not negotiable. Your comment really shows little knowledge on the Argentine side,. I get it however, you just don't like Argentina's claim, and it's ok, you defend your country's history and way of behaving - even if you don't know a thing about it - and is respectable.
Even in the colony years England sent two expeditions, 1806 and 1807, that landed on Buenos Aires and were kicked out, and see it's not a coincidence that in 1833 they landed on the Malvinas an expelled the government who had already 11 years in place. England did not say anything about not occupying the islands in 1816 when Argentina got independent or in 1825 when both countries signed a commerce treaty. After all this once agin in 1845 withe the Battle of Vuelta de Obligado. It's basic Argentine history.
Oh and finally you spoke about indigenous loosing their lands. It was England who established in half the world and changed the flags of countries, if not forcing people to have a new language or adopting new currency or symbols. I think that each country has its shameful pages, Argentina too as you mentioned, but... seriously? a British is the last one that can speak with some decency about the issue. All the conflcits in the early XX century had an origin related to the english crown and their armed forces, say India, Israel, Egypt... Africa... what about them? What about the orange agent sprayed over the Mayans in the 1950s and 1960s -who do you think the Americans took the idea from, in Vietnam? - where English also fought. I did not even mentioned the American history. How do you think the English threated the American natives? or the Jamaicans? or so many others in Central America? Yet you speak about right of natives.
Almost 70% of Argentine people have indigenous roots. We belong here
Stop seeing the world with that racist European vision
I'm sorry that you are offended by my statement, but the statement it factually correct. The truth can hurt, but still needs to be said ✌🏽
@@diegoargibay2287 Argentina=,💩💩🖕
@@diegoargibay2287 the English didn’t fight in Vietnam, you’re making up things to promote your biased agenda towards the British. Your opinions are affected by personal feelings that you are losing focus on what point was initially brought up about the displacement from the Spanish in South America. You’re so concerned about the British that you believe because they are worse your exonerated. That commenter that you replied to, likely didn’t colonise and pillage places himself, he is entitled to share his opinions about the fact that the South American content as colonised by people who aren’t from there. Britain’s past isn’t relevant with the colonisation of the natives in the South American continent.
interesting history. however why didn't the reporter tell mainland Argentines that the people of the Falkland voted to remain with Britain??? seems one sided reporting.
It did
7:53 "They had a referendum about it in 2013, and 99% voted to maintain the current status". But if you're referring to the reporter posing the referendum as a counter-argument to the general public, then I feel the answer would be similar to the President's anti-colonial, national-identity stance (with nuance).
Ah yes isn’t that kinda like Russia having votes to remain in Ukraine territory?🤔
It did. What are hell are you talking about?
Malvinas belongs to Argentina since the ancient time just like Taiwan belongs to China since the ancient time ! We Chinese fully support Argentines to take back Malvinas from the British colonist !!! British colonist have killed and repressed Chinese people when they ruled Hong kong !
I love how it always defaults to 'it's us vs imperilists'
There is nothing imperialistic about the UK's claim to the islands, which is based yes on the history (first confirmed landing was carried out by John Strong in 1690), but more importanrly, on the consent of the islanders
It is in fact Argentina that is acting imperialistic in this case
Right Argentina itself is a settler colonial state based on the ongoing displacement of indigenous quecha in the south pampas and north Patagonia
los kelper son ingleses son los verdaderos usurpadores
@@jdlc903no existen indígenas puros ya que el 100%de los argentinos tenemos algún grado de origen indígena. En cM io los ingleses no se mezclan con los nativos de sus ex colonias como Australia Nueva zelanda y a los nativos de allí los mantienen en un mínimo porcentajes.
@@AntonelaArias-w6d97% of Argentines are white. Only 2.4% have any native blood.
Very true
I was a teenager and I remember the national media saying we were winning the war. My father always look for Radio Colonia from Uruguay and we knew we were loosing. Hurtful and shameful time!
Malvinas belongs to Argentina since the ancient time just like Taiwan belongs to China since the ancient time ! We Chinese fully support Argentines to take back Malvinas from the British colonist !!! British colonist have killed and repressed Chinese people when they ruled Hong kong !
Thats is not true, Argentina shattered the Task Force. The supply chain of the British forces on land. Argentina actually was very close to win the war. Admiral Sir John Forster "Sandy" Woodward was just about to surrender at some point. He told that to the press.
@@ALMAFUERTE3244 Who do you think you're kidding? Your malnourished and poorly trained conscripts were absolutely obliterated and your ships were sunk.
@@ALMAFUERTE3244 , the Argentine airforce outnumbered the British by 5-1, and fought very well, but the Argentine army were pretty useless!
Argentina Started it, Terrorized a Quiet people on the Islands. British. Argentina drew first military action. Got beaten, Game Over., Argentina has no one to blame but themselves. A nation of total idiots-
As a Brit, I sympathise with Argentineans because it must not be a pleasant position to be in and I try to be as objective as possible. However it's fairly clear that the country's only concern is claiming the land for national pride - and possibly oil or fishing rights(?), if my memory serves me - They aren't concerned about the 99% of people (apparently) who live there and don't want to be Argentinian. For that reason, if this is the case, you have to see any attempt at a takeover as being an invasion on peace and democracy. If the Island inhabitants wanted to be Argentineans, I'd be the first to welcome the change...
I'd suggest not teaching this rhetoric in your schools and winding up future generations with this immovable problem. It has only caused pain and suffering and that's all it will do. It's not very productive after all.
Very true
And do you think, as a Brit, that you can comprehend having another country take part of your territory, putting people in it and then saying "that people don't want to be from your country?" Hong Kong, Jamaica, India, a lot of places were taken by the British, so I would suggest not teaching your future generations that it's ok to go to another continent to take things (lands or artifacts)
@@santiagosancho2317 so when are you leaving Argentina and returning back to the natives the Spanish almost wiped out?
Most countries are a product of colonialism and imperialism China and Russia included. Argentina being a product of colonialism used the same policies towards the indigenous as we (Americans) did, committing the Selk’nam genocide in Tierra del Fuego. Western colonialism was bad but it was not unique, most countries are guilty.
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Every person he interviewed in this documentary is completely delusional. Absolutely amazing.
So is the interviewer asking "why do you want the islands back?"..Back?? they never were theirs to begin with
that's argentina for you. imagine living here lol
It's the young, indoctrinated useful idiots I feel sorry for. Their school curriculum must be based on wanting something that isn't theirs - shameful.
@@stproducciones9140 I live in argentina, it's good life (if you ignore crippling economy)
@@saulgoodman5042 yeah keep telling yourself that... Ignore the pain, it's what we do best.
The territory has always been British.
The people whose families have lived there for 150+ years are the ones who should decide and they ALL want to be under British control. British people don't have any bad feeling for Argentinians, we have moved on, so should Argentina.
I’d say a 99% vote by the Falklanders to maintain the status quo with the UK is a big sign that Argentina is not getting the islands back anytime soon.
Planeted there like northern Ireland Gibraltar need I go on
@@jM-ez7fq wrong. Unlike N. I or Gib there was no-one living there.
According to that logic Crimea, Donbass and Luhansk should be a legal Russian terriroty.
You have moved on because,,, Lmao, don't get me started you hypocrites
@@falconheavy595 fine, but the vote needs to be independently run by a neutral group (like the UN) and independently verified… the 2014 vote in Crimea was run by Russia and verified by Russia… so it could have easily been bogus.(Which is why no other nations recognize Crimea as anything other than Ukrainian).
We not only liberated The Falklands, we in a sense liberated Argentina. The Military Junta fell, so the Argentines should be grateful to us.🇬🇧
they should be thanking us for beating them till their dictator fell.
You stole the Falkland’s ….you’ve stolen a lot of countries …you’ve stolen a lot of those countries wealth
Just what you did in India🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
We all aware of your so called liberation process propaganda
Shut up we don't believe your propaganda.
And now the funny thing is Russia🇷🇺 Lebrated Ukraine🇺🇦 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shame on you!
@@Gonnie6969 shame? 99% of Falklanders want to remain British, just like the people of Northern Ireland
This is a terribly poor piece of "journalism".
I have lived in Buenos Aires for almost 20 years and I'm British. Yes, most Argentines see Las Malvinas as theirs, but this isn't something that preoccupies most peoples minds and the issue doesn't permeate everyday life in the way the reporter suggests. The situation compares well with that of Gibraltar: most Spanish people believe it should be theirs, but its not something that is given a second thought most of the time.
The Falklands are a political football, which failing governments in Argentina use to try to rally nationalism - just as the dictadura did. Cristina Kirchner used to use the issue in an attempt to distract from economic problems. Fernandez is doing the same. I can't believe that this young journalist gave the man airtime.
The Malvinas is just one of various nationalistic symbols which the politicians use to generate emotion among the people, along with football, Evita and the price of choripanes.
I don't know where did you live exactly, but the Falkland issue is very important to most of Argentine. Right now there a fever of this topic. Maybe you just meet that kind of vendepatria Argentine, you meet them from time to time.
Vendepatrias like Videla? Who sent thousands of young men to die in a senseless war and brutally tortured and disappeared opposition?
Malvinas belongs to Argentina since the ancient time just like Taiwan belongs to China since the ancient time ! We Chinese fully support Argentines to take back Malvinas from the British colonist !!! British colonist have killed and repressed Chinese people when they ruled Hong kong !
I'm Argentinean and I couldn't agree more with what you said. I was little when the war took place and I remember my parents telling me that the whole thing was a circus and a disgrace and an unnecessary loss of human lives. My generation doesn't give two hoots about this issue. We probably feel that the islands should belong to us, but we are not particularly bothered about it. The Peronismo (in all their iterations ) have used this matter for decades to distract from grave issues and brain wash their followers, especially the youth (with a big push from La Campora) with a false sense of nationalism. It's very sad how people can be so easily manipulated.
@@gaf407 yeah exactly like him.
In my country, not all of us hate the UK, in fact we love its language and people, the past is something that doesn't even matter anymore, the hatred belongs to the politicians, not the inhabitants. Greetings from Argentina to the British ☺️🖐️
The reporter is biased. He keeps asking about Agentina getting the islands BACK ! but Argentina never owned the islands ever! Spain did and that is a country in Europe also
he is working for the BBC of course he is biased
Everyone at the BBC hates the UK
On top of that, I don't think Spain even had a very compelling claim in the first place. The UK's claim is based on the fact that no one else had claimed it, because when they arrived there were no natives living on the islands.
The only other people on the islands were French, but they gave up their claim as soon as Spain asked them too (Spain didn't know the islands even existed until the French and English discovered them).
Spain's claim was based on the fact that the pope once drew a line on a map.
You think asking demeaning questions would not leave him in A&E? Did you watch the video at all? The Falklands to Argentina is about pride. Pride blinds people. He is asking Argentines.
To be fair, the reporter is trying to explain the Argentine perspective to a largely British audience. A kind of "Devil's Advocate ".
Similarly, an atheist reporter could say "For these nuns, praying to God everyday is of great importance" without him/herself believing in God.
Don't be angry at the British for the dead soldiers be angry at Galtieri
There is perhaps some irony in the Argentine claims as they seem to aspire to neo-colonialism themselves. As invading and annexing an island whose citizens voted 99.8% in favour of remaining Britons is, among other elements, the very definition of colonialism.
So long as Falklanders wish to remain British, there simply is no valid argument for any change in possession. The only argument that has been put forward is irrational. If the Falklands lie on the same sub-terrain as Argentina and are therefore attached below see level, when might Britain claim sovereignty over Europe, as it too, is attached in the same fashion?
While Britain has not forgotten, it has fought a thousand wars and won most of them, so it's only natural that this conflict is well in its past. In the meantime, when will Argentina move on and realise that their attachment to this conflict is entirely misplaced?
Los ladrones no tienen derecho a la autodeterminacion. Las gente que nacio en las Malvinas, ¡ Son Argentinas ! Lo mismo Belize de Guatemala, Gibraltar de España. Guayana Esequiba de Venezuela. Sucios
If we base ourselves on your comment, Puerto Rico is from Spain and not from the United States.
The falklands population is made up of British colony descendants, of course they’ll vote in favour of the UK
@@jafro8 and Puerto Ricans are descendants of Spaniards
@@diegoveliz9822 what point are you making
I don't know why but this seems to be british propaganda.😁
I would say it's too much in Argentina's favour by the way he says "get the islands back" as if Argentina had them to begin with
The Argentinians, in their history, took land (by force) off Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile ... so when they do it to other people, it's fine. The fact that they think the sinking of one of their active and fully armed war ships during an open war (that they started) is a "war crime" is indicative of their mixed up thinking. The report was OK, but it didn't mention that the lost war actually was a prime reason that Argentina returned to democracy, if the generals had scored a victory, they would have probably had another 10-15 years of military rule, so the Brits inadvertently did them a favour - but they're far too proud to admit that.
Plus the fact that 98% of Falkland inhabitants want to remain under British rule.
Russians think they are doing a favor to Ukraine...
hear hear! Retaking the Falklands was a last ditch attempt by leopoldo galtieri to regain popularity, if he had been successful democracy would have come much later!
"took land..." Funny coming from someone with a colony flag of "I never invaded, nor took nobody's land" country.
@@jojodio9851 Not quite sure I understand what you're saying, but just to be clear Spain and Britain are BOTH Colonial powers, the Argentinian people are colonizers, you stole every inch of your country from the native peoples so. . . pot meet kettle dude! Also, the Islands were never colonized by Spain, they were uninhabited and the British found them that way, so they set up a proper colony and those people have lived on the Islands ever since. The Islands have NEVER been inhabited by Spanish or Argentinian people, therefore you have exactly ZERO claim to these Islands; now stop trying to COLONIZE them and push out the people who actually live there! Realize that what you were taught in school was just nationalistic propaganda and none of it was true, the Falkland Islands will NEVER be part of Argentina, NEVER!
Correct me if I'm wrong but ...spain built a small fort there, pirates chased them away ..took down thier flag, then the pirates abandond the islands and britain took them.
So ..what claim does argentina have to these islands? Spain said they could have something they didn't possess? That is no claim at all.
when spain depopulated and left the malvinas islands, argentina arrived and reciprocated along with its independence. Then the British took it by force... then Argentina recovered it again and then the British usurped it by force again... the UK is a colonizing and imperialist country. you British know only the story they sell you.
@@SuperDaRkSiStEm Could you link me to some historical documents supporting this?
Well, Spain controlled one of the two islands while Britain controlled the other. Spain abandoned its island and since there was no Spanish settlers sent to colonise the area it went back to being free land.
their claim comes from the fact the pope once drew a line on a map.
@@lilbrit1019 ah the Treaty of Tordesillas, nothing remotely dodgy in citing that document as a basis for territorial claims in the 21st century
The Argentines feel strongly about this for many reasons, including an educational system that from day one teaches this view and a political system that uses it as a distraction from other issues.
Well you'll always find somthing to say, take the fact this is made by BBC, a British ''independent'' media, and yet with all editing it's impossible to find out people in the video telling you that the islands are a British possession. You say that people repeat and do not think, ok i respect that, but i'd say that is unity. That's why i say no matter what, you re not going to like it; my take is that understanding the Argentine speech in their words instead of giving a forced interpretation will do you no harm. And btw, using your words, I could respond that the British also educate their children and youth, and even grown ups like you looking forward to you fitting in their system. A system that of course wants the islands to remain British. And yes, as far as I'm concerned also uses it for distraction.
@@diegoargibay2287 then you choose to live your life filled with bitterness. That or you think the junta was a good idea. And FYI, I am not British, so your wrong in your assumptions once again.
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The history of the islands including the war isn’t even taught in schools here in Britain because it’s so insignificant compared to the rest of our history. It’s literally just a storm in a teacup and no one here cares about. It’s only Argentina that obsesses over it and has it as a national symbol because it’s basically the only war that Argentina was directly involved in… and then lost.😐
@@diegoargibay2287 Argentine is fairly low on the list of things Brit Officials keep worrying about during their paranoia sessions. Mostly they worry about the brown bear to the east , more so than the temperamental madmen in the Middle East or the panda much further east .
@@qasimmir7117 Can confirm, the Falklands war was not once mentioned in my history books in the Netherlands. I just found out about it through a video on warplanes. They seem oddly obsessed over it.
The Junta "disappeared" circa 20,000 of their own citizens. The population of the Falklands in 1982 was about 2,000. How long would it have taken the Junta to "disappear" those?
They intended to eradicate all traces of "English/British' from the Falklands despite their "promises" of co-existence.
I have no doubt that the *ISLAS MALVINAS* belong to Argentina, but you are right about that, the dictatorship made a disaster in Argentina. I believe that if the war had been won, the islanders would have "disappeared" and people with the same political ideology as the military junta would have been sent.
Living in China where they teach kids from the earliest age a map that includes Taiwan and the entire South China Sea as Chinese territory; I have no respect for the argument “we got taught it in school so it’s ours”. There’s no Argentines living on the island and the culture is overwhelmingly British and in-favour of British sovereignty. Why people feel so strongly about this is actually pretty disgusting, it is a piece of land not attached to Argentina in anyway who have never been administered by Argentina at anytime in history other than during the war, it’s time to let it go
chinese teaching in schools is very bad in the way it spreads propaganda like that
It's obviously going to have an overwhelmingly British culture and support for the brits when a population that isn't even from the islands gets sent there to live in it, it's called colonialism
lies and fake news, the island was administered by spanish and later on argentinian governors. and the first people to visit this island were indigenous people. england has no claim over this island
@@hincha2124 Such a silly statement. Pay attention not to what the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom say, but the people of the islands itself. They've demonstrated time and time again, overwhelmingly to stay under British rule. I think the right to self-determination of the people is the ultimate claim is it not? If they choose to fly the UK flag, so be it - end of story.
They've made it abundantly clear (99%) that they do not want to be apart of Argentina.
@@hincha2124 there were no indigenous people living in the Falkland Islands. It was completely uninhabited until the British found it.
We British didn't want war, and we didn't expect war ( we only had 50 soldiers on the islands.)
When Argentina ( itself a product of colonialism) attacked the islands we had no choice but to fight back.
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99.8% of Falklanders voted to stay British in the 2013 referendum.
My ancestors also voted to not get colonised but the british and spanish had bigger guns so yea....
@@ironestonesilva860 no you didn't, you were fighting each other, sometimes against us sometimes with us. Remember during the Aztec war, Spanish army was 95% natives.
About war it was a dictatorship, and anyway, the argentine just take their territory, like UK did, the only one difference is that UK said "you don't gonna take that territory" and fight.
Falklands are colony, that you have stolen a terry territory for many time doesn't make it yours, and yes people living there are british because it's a british colony, referendum doesn't care anyone outside england, they are just british colons saying I think this is mine.
Bro the age of imperialism is over, UK abandon your colonies.
Is Argentina aware of the Faroe Islands? They are next door to the UK, but owned by Denmark. The UK accepts that these islands are Denmarks, even though they are just north of Scotland. The islanders of the Falklands are happy to remain under British rule. Until this changes, there will be no change made. Argentina can want all they like, but they won't get them.
Interesting that someone in the video said that the UN agrees with Argentina. I'd be interested for this to be discussed more as I haven't heard this before.
they don't, also the UK has a Veto, so bit awkward for them. The UN main principle is that of self determination, for the UN to come down on Argentinians side would end the UN, how could they justify going against the self determination of the Falklands wishes. When he say's the UN , i suspect he means, N Korea, Russia, Iran support them.
The Canadians also don’t get butthurt that Greenland is a territory of Denmark
@@joelleighton1191better yet Alaska
Argentina is strangely ignorant towards their own origins as Spanish settlers. They are also neglectful of geography worldwide.
time will tell, just like UK give away Hongkong, after all UK is small country, when Argentina national power goes up, you have no choice
What’s interesting to me is that the popular fervour for the claim came during and after the war. The war really wrenched Argentine nationalism and the islands together by creating this deep sense that the patria was not yet complete, that Argentina’s destiny was not yet fulfilled. It’s interesting that the Falklands fervour in Argentina today is actually rather modern in its popularity and populist edge.
As an argentinian born in the late 90's sometimes I have a patriotic approach for the sovereignty claim over the islands. But I have to say that the way our people get the islands problem, as if there were no local people involved or as if they were mere brainwashed objects that don't have a word on this, makes me feel really bad. War was a serious mistake back then.
Also our country hasn't made good diplomatic strategies over the last 40 years. Our country doesn't even resolve its own economic problems. Are islanders willing to cope with +50% of inflation every year? Don't think so
Better to make friends and allies than enemies. We do business together we are liberal democracies that is something that binds us. I'd be all for a greater relationship but it seems it's such an emotive subject in Argentina and the Falklands.
Over 1000 men died on the islands many have committed suicide in the UK so traumatised by the fighting. Wouldn't it be better to honour those who died be sharing a claim or by allowing both sides to settle and sharing two cultures.
All this time and effort and money to keep people apart is ridiculous.
Both sides are so entrenched it will never happen.
You got all of Latin America to ban ships flying the Falkland flag. That is something.
I’ve been saying this to argentines for years…clean up your economy and show the islanders it’s economically advantageous to align with Argentina. As it stand with your current inflation rate that’s not happening
Forget the Falklands, please. It is a worthless claim. If the locals do not want to be Argentines, accept it, please. Move on and spend less of your precious "argent" in the military. Argentina is a beautiful country with a lot of potential that badly needs to be fixed.
@@gordonferrar7782 Argentina is 2 million km square. Maybe 7 times the size of UK. Falkland islands/Malvinas are two microscopic rock islands. Totally not worth any fight.
Most of the people my age who were born well after the war do not care about the Malvinas. Argentina has numerous pending issues that are vastly more important than some resourcesless islands
Mentira. Soy joven, y tanto a mi como a todos los jóvenes que conozco el tema sigue siendo importante y de relevancia. No generalises, que a vos te chupe un huevo no significa que a todos también.
Might be some oil nearby.
@@moistman6930 If they’re was you can bet your life savings the brits would of had it by now. Those islands are of no use to anyone so i don’t know why Argentines keep obsessing over something they don’t need and will never get. The people they’re are British and will continue to have the protection of the UK for however long they want it
Bueno, en realidad son más su propia cosa. Ya que tienen su gobierno (FIG), su propia sistema internal de impuestos con la moneda que solo se pueden usar allá. Y ni los dan bola en el reino unido, nunca escuchan de ellos por allí (hay mucho que pasa en el mundo y casi no pasa nada allá. Así que..). Los isleños están felices viviendo sus vidas tranquilas por allá. Me encantaría saber sobre las cosas buenas en las que Argentina está trabajando/logrando. O tal vez un plan para la independencia de energía limpia. Eso sería fresco y edificante. 🌞
@E Padula you are very wrong and need to study about the strategical position of the Malvinas in the Antartic south. By saying resourcesless again you show your ignorance. If you dont care about the Malvinas you are not aware that the bullets of the british in the war were for any argentinian, could be your father, brother, mother or you, but other argentinians who care about your future put their chest for you, vendepatria! wacala.
This archipelago is a BRITISH territory. God Bless The Falklands
God bless your mom
@@juaniignaciovelez7395 of course God bless his mom and his family , that's why Falklands is British.
You cannot "get back" something you never owned.
I find it ironic of the Argentines complaining of British imperialism ......in Spanish.
@@LouisTsuiful Taiwan was a Dutch colony before it was Chinese so no Taiwan hasn’t belonged to China “since ancient times”.
Britain made the first claim to the islands before Argentina was even a country.
@@LouisTsuiful The people of hong kong have been protesting for years against Chinese fascism, many of whom fly the flag of the former British colony. They clearly hate having their democracy stamped on by communist bullies in Beijing...
Spain>>>>>>anglos
@Maxi Mostly Beaker people, celts and a bit of Anglo Saxon. Most British people are descended from the people who arrived in Britain during the Stone Age.
Are most Argentines partly native in descent? I thought most were just pure Spanish.
@@Valencetheshireman927 they are Spanish Italian and German. The whole "descended from natives" is a lie, with only 1.5% of the entire population having any links to natives
From watching the entirety of this video their views on the Falklands remain irrational. The islands neighbouring your country doesn't mean they're yours. Greenland is right next to Canada but you don't see the Canada and Denmark having a boxing match over it. I could understand if there was a historical connection but there really isn't. We got there first and the overwhelming majority of inhabitants there have British ancestry.
I think the Argentines should just move on, forgive and forget. They have no leg to stand on diplomatically and a Second Falklands war really isn't what they want, regardless of whether China backs them on it or not.
Canada and Denmark just settled an almost 50 year dispute over Hans Island, by dividing it in half, so maybe find another example.
@@celimendez7620 Last time I checked which was 2 mins ago, Canada and Denmark didn’t hate each other with one side threatening to go to war to claim an uninhabited island, go find another example
@@celimendez7620 I don't need to there is no legitimate claim to the Falkland's. I thought the logical flaws in it were the result of a translation error but they really don't seem to be, it's nothing to do with colonialism or any BS like that they are a self governing territory
They were warned
Why is there absolutely no fact checking during the video on the arguments the argentinian politician brought up? It seems to me that noone has ever challenged their weird claims and unsubstantial arguments, which is why litterarly everyone in Argentina seems to agree with them.
Argentina has traditionally been a rogue state, mainly to its own citizens. And also an unpredictable neighbour. I don't dare to imagine how would such a country have behaved, had it won an armed struggle over the UK. The final outcome of that little conflict was a blessing for the whole region.
The Argentine government actually planned to invade Chile at the time.
Not a piece of armor was sent to the islands. The first concern of the Argentinians, even during the conflict, was their actual territorial border on the continent. .
Lets not forget that Argentina sheltered thousands of Nazi war criminals and their ill gotten loot from theft and commandeering of assets of people they killed in concentration camps . UK and/or Israel should assume Universal Jurisdiction and start proceedings against terrorist state Argentina.
@@starry2006 What were they ( junta) drinking during those days ?
@@Moncho1234 They did try to commandeer South Georgia for a bit.
Dear Argentina…you never had the islands.
Get over it.
@@spudskie3907 el virreynato del rio de la plata (antesesor de argentina) tubo las islas desde que se fundl hasta 1811, las provincias unidas del rio de la plata (argentina luego de liberarse de españa) tubieron las islas entre 1820 y 1833, con un breve periodo de tiempo en 1834, Argentina como tal tubo control de las islas durante el 2 de abril de 1982 hasta el 14 de junio
@ezequielramirez5204 I hate to break it to you, but the Falkland islands were British territory longer than Argentina. Besides, your dictator in 1982 was a pretty bad one since he killed his own argentine citizens.
@@tribals8756 nadie duda de que galtieri y toda la junta militar eran malas personas, pero las islas son argentinas, pertenecieron a la corona española en el Virreynato del rio de la plata (lo que hoy es argentina), la ocuoacion del Reino Unido es ilegal
It's easy for the Argentine population to overwhelmingly back recovering the islands because they've never been there and most likely never met or even talked to someone from the islands. They just believe everything their government says, without reflecting about how the islanders see things.Their national delusion is just as bad as the conflict between China and Hong Kong. I wish these Argentines would bother themselves to learn about the people in the Falklands/Malvinas and understand where they're coming from rather than pretending they don't exist. It's a shame really, because I love Argentina. I love the rugged landscapes, Buenos Aires, its food, its culture, and its architecture. Nowhere else like it.
What the argies thinks is completley irrelevant, its what the Islanders want.
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i wonder if the Argentinians decided to focus on improving their country rather than obsessing over a small island that belongs to the falklanders, maybe they’d have a more prosperous country….
I agree, only I wish the UK and US would spend $ Trillions supporting UK and US citizens by putting and end to homelessness, food banks and the people who pay taxes in this country. That is not to say that I in anyway agree with the actions of the military junta in Argentina. But don't we sort of have the same thing here?
i wonder if the british decided focused on improving their country rather than obsessing over a small island that belongs to the argentines, maybe they’d have a more prosperous country….
@@arielhudson7490 we leave them alone and protect them from the third world conditions of Argentina 😂
@@MrSouter2 great keep them well until we came back
@@arielhudson7490 won’t be any time soon based on the state of your country 😂😂
I believe any accused historical crimes (before the island became a crowned colony in 1840) are mute since they were not committed by anyone living today to people living today. I do believe that the UK retaking the island in 1833 is a complicated dispute but at the same time its kinda minor because neither government was really using the island. It had a incredibly small permanent inhabitants and was really only used for fishing and the UK hadn't touched it for a very long time. It's like forgetting about a toy and getting upset when someone else is playing with it.
But no matter if you believe it was right or wrong what matters is the people living today and how it affects them. There is no Argentine alive who grew up on those islands or has any tangible relation to those islands. It will have no physical change no one day to day life. They only care because they have been brought up being told to care about it. The most direct way of putting it is in their heads. Reasonably it is a similar case in the UK where if those islands became Argentine it would have a tangible effect on anyone here either.
This is why I say the people living in the UK and the people living in Argentina have no say in the sovereignty of those islands because it has nothing to do with them. It's simply not our business.
Who decides if the islands are British or Argentine? The people living on the Falkland islands today. That is who this will affect and if they voted to become Argentine then I would 100% support their self-determination but they don't.
Its a mistake to keep a wound open that should have been healed a very long time ago. There is no need for hate between our people on something which doesn't affect us in any tangible way.
And I look forward to the day when this wound will heal and we can move forward.
Just a minor correction for clarity in the first sentence: the word you're looking for is "moot".
The adult in the room
Top man
they already had a refferendum
I hope you don't touch Antarctica
I agree, the people on the islands want to remain British. Their opinion matters.
It's clear that they use this issue to distract themselves from domestic problems. They need to refocus on more pressing issues.
They won't though. They have some strange mentality that they deserve more. The reason they have so many internal issues is because they want to be treated like a world power despite being a developing (third-world) country.
Based on the statements of their politicians you already know they are going to invade if WW3 were to break out. Seems they would side with China, Russia, Iran, N. Korea, etc. just to get some islands they have never owned.
He used the phrase "getting the islands back" - they never had them in the first place. British settlers were there before Argentina existed. Argentine governments bring it up every time they want a distraction from a poor economy.
You are very wrong. Thae Spanish had 21! Governos of the Islands. argentina had 2, since all the terrotories that where spanish became argentinian.. anywho, what can we argue with a country that argued the same thing in Gibraltar or Hong Kong?
@@DiegoMateryndéjalo amigo algún día van pagar todo lo que se robaron estos ingleses espero que algún día paguen así como la isla son argentina Gibraltar también español saludos desde argentina
Claims on territory, territorial expansion, and colonialism have probably mostly been at the point of a gun, or sword throughout history. It’s still happening. A country is not predetermined by some geographical virtue, but by peoples creating and defending borders that gain permanence with the passing of time. The integrity of those borders will be challenged from time to time. Territorial acquisition comes from having superior military capability. The reason why the islands in question remain British is because the Argentinian authorities made a strategic error in believing a superior military power would not waste resources on defending a small, remote territory.
Countries have evolved from centuries of wars and peace that act to consolidate territorial claims. That is all a country is at a fundamental level. An artificial construct. Retaining the integrity of those borders requires agreement with the majority of those contained within it, and that agreement is secured by the promise of protection and by appealing to emotions connected to tribe, family, and a sense of belonging, ie patriotism and its oversold cousin nationalism.
This is the most intelligent comment under a RUclips video I’ve read in a long time. Incredibly based.
Ever played civilization? Culture can also be a strong indicator of borders.
Hear, hear!
You have a point which is rooted deep in history, but the main question is for how long countries will continue resorting to violence to assert a claim. In this era, we'll soon risk to turn any disputed territory into a radioactive wasteland. For my children, I truly hope the world finds a better alternative.
@@aidandolan8176 Thank you.
I'd have lacked more focus on how Argentines view the position of the people of the Falkland islanders. Because I'm still confused by the fact that they believe that they own the islands despite the locals not wanting to. That is the definition of colonialism
"We insist on a diplomatic approach because we will absolutely get our asses kicked by the British again."
How can you have something back, you never had in the first place? Such a typical self hating one sided BBC hit piece
UK stole the islands in 1833
"The Argentines claim a ship was bombed outside the exclusion zone, the British dispute this"
No, they dont. The British are very open to admitting to bombing a ship outside of an exclusion zone, becuase it posed significant threat, that permission was granted to attack that vessel
Actually we torpedoed it, there is a difference
The Captain of the Belgrano even said he would have done the same thing and that his ship was a threat
The British exercised great restraint by not sinking the rest of the Argentine navy-which they had every right to do after being attacked.
@@1IbramGaunt don’t think the people on that ship thought so 😭😭😭
@stevenwilson5556 wouldn't shock me if British nuclear submarines were just watching the Harbours where the Argentin navy was located.
I watched the news of the conflict from my dorm room while in college. This was before the internet and cable news. Ted Kopple had a nightly show. This gave me the interest in foreign affairs and I joined the US Army as an infantry officer spending 15 years in the profession.
It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on the war or the others you have participated in
ahh no aprendiste una goma..
I'm a Brit and was actually born in the Falklands in the early '90s, as my parents were working there at the time. I grew up in the UK from the age of 18 months onwards, so I don't think of myself as a Falklander, but have always been interested in the islands and would like to go back one day.
I generally support the Falklands remaining British as a point of self-determination, but believe its always important to understand the other perspective. I also acknowledge the double-standards that the UK government applies in this issue, as it didn't (and doesn't) respect the rights of the Chagos Islanders who were expelled from their home. I would support the Chagos Islands being returned to the Mauritius (I understand that the Chagos Islands were part of the Mauritius during colonial times, but were separated prior to Mauritian independence) and the surviving inhabitants (and their descendants) being allowed to return if they wish. Our stance on the Falklands will never be taken seriously until we acknowledge our wrongdoing in Chagos. I also acknowledge that the most likely concern for the UK government is not the islander's self-determination, but the potential oil resources in the area and its proximity the Antarctica. I would however point out that Argentina is not the only country with territory at its border in control of a distant country, there are many other examples of this all over the world. I also find the Argentinian accusation of imperialism/colonialism somewhat hypocritical, given that most of the population are themselves descended from colonists.
In my opinion, what Argentina should be doing if it really wants to "reclaim" the Malvinas, is to build better connections with the islanders. I understand that the islands have lately been having issues in exporting their seafood products to the EU since Brexit (which is an important aspect to its economy), so there is potentially inroad there. Yes, the islanders are currently very stubbornly British, but after a few decades of better connections, this might begin to soften for future generations of islanders. Especially if Britain is seen as increasingly distant. And yes, this process would take decades, but its surely better than the current policy, which would only make the islanders feel more defiant?
As a final note. The main reason I wish to go back the Falkands/Malvinas has got nothing to do with the politics, what I want to see most is the geography and the wildlife. There is a lot more to the islands than just the war and the politics.
Most countries are a product of colonialism and imperialism China and Russia included. Argentina being a product of colonialism used the same policies towards the indigenous as we (Americans) did, committing the Selk’nam genocide in Tierra del Fuego. Western colonialism was bad but it was not unique, most countries are guilty.
Oliver, thank you for sharing your Perspective. I didn't know about the Chagos islanders. As an older Irishman, and former member of a colony of Britain, I followed the War closely. BBC (or ?) made a very good documentary, Top Malo, worth seeing.
ruclips.net/video/VLL6d72jiFs/видео.html Omggg
The chagos islands are militarily important to the UK
And Mauritius and chagos islander aren't even related People
Europeans were the first to settle Falklands Islands. And the chagos islands
The chagos people removed were African slaves. Mauritius is mostly Indian immigrants.
Mauritius claim is based on the empire existing it's not like UK colonised Mauritius. We invented the name. It's not like India for Example
on some aspects you are right, as i understand things, the argentines are very obstructive to oil and fishing around the faulklands , so just make the islanders dig in more and become even more british, what they should be doing is be much more friendly and cooprative , gain their trust eyc, then who knows in the future diplomaticly take over the islands in a positive way even share soverenty maybe !
Trust the BBC to release such a pro -argie piece like this, not worth watching
As a Brit this seems very weird. These were uninhabited islands, there is no indigenous population. The islands are over 300 miles from Argentina. In the 1830s remote islands were occupied by European powers with large navies. Argentina has always been militarily weak and it could never hold onto these islands for long. Spain and France have also claimed the islands. The islanders don't want to be Argentinian and self-determination is crucial. That is what the Ukraine War is all about. Putin claims that Ukraine belongs to Russia but the people living there disagree. The islands are cold and damp and only fit for habitation by northern Europeans. What would Argentina do with the islands? Trees can't grow and sheep farming is the only type of agriculture that is profitable. The islanders would probably move to the UK, leaving the islands uninhabited again. This is deluded nonsense. You fear for Argentina, the country is bankrupt, but this is what they worry about?
They worship a dead drug addict like he’s a god
I think the 'we learned the islands should be ours at school' thing is responsible, because 'our whole identity is encapsulated by some tiny islands 300 miles off the coast' is just bizarre.
If Northern Europeans are the only people who can live in cold/wet places is it because of genetics? Does that mean they can't live in warm/dry places? Should Britons leave Australia/America/Africa because others are better suited to residing there?
Tell me about how your racial theories impact upon who you think should reside where,I'm interested.
@@MrBagpipes The rest of his statement seems sound though.
@@user-1281 the rest of his statement is generally ok, that's why I only asked a question about the crazy racist bit.
A better question for Argentinians, which the interviewer didn't ask: What is your plan for the islanders?
In 1966, the infamous Argentinian nationalist hijackers intended to ethnically cleanse the islands of Falklanders. Then and now, they are praised in Argentina.
Why should Argentina get to be the new colonial expansionist overlord on the islands, against the wishes of the islanders?
Argentina is, after all, a genocidal settler-colonial state in origin, just like USA, Canada, Mexico, etc.
Easy: the islanders can piss straight off to England. They’ve been squatting for generations.
@@Martoto94 That amounts to brute ethnic cleansing, which shows bright as day that you only care about UN and international law when you think it fits your expansionist agenda.
The irony, of course, is that your intention is to create an Argentinian colony of new "squatters".
@@Martoto94 nope they born in the island you can't kick them
Yeah and the british empire are such saints they are literally reincarnation of Jesus
@@Martoto94 same logic applies all the people with European ancestry in Argentina.
TODAY marks the start of the Falklands war 40 years ago.
2nd April 1982 to 14th June 1982.
RIP to all those who died on the Falklands.
I was born the day after this war ended.
@Keep the faith you think russia and china would help some backwater south american state gain islands they don't even have a claim to?
The Falklands are British always have been, before Argentina even existed. You Argies suffered a hard lesson last time. Dont make the same mistake again
Huh… all MY maps say “Falkland Islands”, so I have no idea where this mythical “Las Malvinas” is supposed to be.
Las malvinas are a pair of islands within lake general Carrera, within Chile
@@littleshep5502 Ok, that makes sense. I didn’t realise there were TWO “Las Malvinas” that Argentina doesn’t have sovereignty over.
This is so sad. An entire country poisoned by it's own pride. The sin of pride. So sad.
Like you voting for Brexit
@@tinzka and that's your answer. Not an answer at all. Just accusing someone else for something unrelated so you don't have to face your own failure.
Argentina: one of the great nations. Great culture, art, music, history. And all of it poisoned by its pride, its unwillingness to move on. So sad.
And I'm not even British.
As an Argentophile obsessesed withall things Argentina, who stayed there and loved it, who is married to an Argentine lady, who loves Argentine culture , find this whole obsession they have with the claim islands unhealthy ,illogical and rather sad.They should move on and make friends with Falklands Islanders ,accept their choice and build better relations wiyh the UK
That sofa's lookin pretty comfy right about now.
Get a British wife
No tendrías que seguir admirando a mi tierra con esa postura.
Good job Argentinians. As a Mexican I know our countries don't always get along but we're both Latin Americans brothers.
The Falkland islands are yours, one day you'll get them back. Either by negotiations or force. Won't be tomorrow or maybe even in 50 years, but one day.
All Latin Americans are tired of being treated like shit by foreign powers.
People and Brazil get along normally with France and there is no movement to claim the territory away from the French , so something really is wrong here .
Is that why you are sleeping with the chinese,still a foreign power tho.
piratas, go home
The islanders are already on their home, on their islands that they have decided to keep as am overseas territory for now
The islands were uninhabited before we arrived so the current population are the natives of the land. They chose 99.8% in a democratic referendum to remain a part of the UK. 🇬🇧🇫🇰🇬🇧🇫🇰
British people brought some homeless from the mainland and now they are voting to remain a part of UK.
disgusting British imperialistic politics still remains.
British ignorant and Liar!
In 1833 the HMS Clio arrived to the islands and by order of the British Government, removed the local population and the governor: Louis Vernet. Check the books.
Well, come back to London
Facts. First settled by the French, taken off them by force by the Spanish, then taken off the Spanish by the English,, then long after Agentina became a country and claimed the islands. I say if might is not right then give them back to France.
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English were actually there first, though they did not settle a colony. In any case, the decision is up to the people who live there now.
Most countries are a product of colonialism and imperialism China and Russia included. Argentina being a product of colonialism used the same policies towards the indigenous as we (Americans) did, committing the Selk’nam genocide in Tierra del Fuego. Western colonialism was bad but it was not unique, most countries are guilty.
@@americameinyourmouth9964 I agree so Agentinas argument that the UK shouild give the islands up as the UK is an imperialist country creating colonies arouind the world, when they themselves took their land from the Native indians
I've never heard about the French claim? The Spanish found them first, is my understanding, but the few Spaniards that tried to settle on the Islands died out, so when the British came the Islands had been uninhabited for a long time, and they successfully founded a settlement on the Islands that has existed ever since. So now their British, end of story as far as I'm concerned.
Lol Argentina got crushed by some lads who hang out at my local pub
mate we see your football team take a knee before each match because of how ashamed they are of their own country. There is a reason you guys need the States to accomplish anything materially, including this war against a poor nation.
@@drewdrewson1384 the British fought this battle on their own
@@apollocreed5391 take a knee dude, you are wrong
Britain’s defence of the islands is stronger now than it was back then. And Britain’s military is about to be enlarged because of the Ukraine war. Argentina can never be strong enough to successfully invade.
Maybe they can get Maradona to shoot soccer balls at them. 😂😂
The defences on the islands being stronger now than they were then isn't exactly a hard thing to achieve, think it was a single company of Royal Marines guarding them in 1982. Now? There's the better part of a thousand troops there, backed up by Royal Navy warships and nuclear submarines, surface-to-air missile systems and four RAF Typhoon jet fighters. And all that's just the existing permanent garrison
The sinkng of ARA General Bueno was not a war crime. The Argentine and the British were fighting a war. A attack on a Argentinian cruisers was legal. Argentinian defense ministry and the navy had recognised and reaffirmed this fact
Imagine claiming territory to be a fundamental part of your identity. Crazy.
@Trump lost, move on its not a fundamental part of my identity.
Several thoughts: the English were there in the Falklands before Argentina existed as a country. And while 80% of Argentines may want to claim the Falklands as theirs, 95% of the islanders in the Falklands want nothing to do with Argentina. An unwelcome invader lost a war and yet still wants to milk the ideas of owning a piece of land that was never theirs. Just because you live near something does not make it yours. The immature attitudes of the Argentines are reflrcted in the continuing failure of the country. The nation has been in free fall on and off since its utter failure in the Falklands. Maybe the Argentines should focus on getting their economic act together as a matter of first order.
Britain left the islands in 1774, never protesting or challenging the 32 Spanish and 5 Argentine governors, any claim prescribed by acquiescence after 55 years of complete silence. They had absolutely no right to take them from Argentina that was already settled in 1833
@@SM-zm5xtYou should grovel at British feet. Without them you would still be a Facist junta.
falklands: 100% british for most of history
alberto fernandez: we will fight for them
patagonia: argentine territory for over a century with millions of argentine inhabitants
alberto fernandez: the federal government has no obligation to provide security to that region.
Lol, we’re angry at the British because when we invaded they fought back, sounds like Putin’s logic
You stole the islands in 1833
@@SM-zm5xt considering the British first settled the islands in 1764, that’s not actually true is it numbnuts.
If anything those land that Russia currently invading belongs to them more than the island to you
I have a question. Argentina states it inherited the Islands from Spain, as it claims it was part of the Spanish vice royalty of the Rio de Plata territory they inherited when they got their unilateral independence from Spain from 1810-1816. What we now know of as Uruguay and Bolivia was also part of that land. So why then does Bolivia claim it later got its independence from Spain and not Buenos Aires?
Because their line of inheritance is pretty much BS. Argentina gained independence in 1816, but would wait 13 years to try and claim the islands. They would have their flag taken down in 1833 by Britain, by HMS Clio, while in the process of abandoning the islands. This claim would be dropped in 1850, when they ceded it to the UK
@Littleshep That doesn't answer my question, sorry. If it was all inherited it would have included Uruguay.
@@mellowado6184 basically, it's because being the last holdout of Spain would have given it the claims of Spain , rather than anyone else. Argentina liked to claim things based upon Spain owning them, so therefore inheriting them, however, they never actually inherited anything. This is similar to what Uruguay could have done. It's power more than anything else
@@littleshep5502 Uruguay supports Argentina's claim though. By stating they got their independence from Spain, contradicts the claim.
@@mellowado6184 although that may be the case, it is all in the name of diplomacy, with other powers that are close or further away. If they say they got independence from Spain, they can tell their people that, rather than trying to tell them that they got independence from a country that most would side with. It would also make relations easier in south America
I am Scottish, and have strong links to Spain. I also have an Argentinian brother in law. If Argentina wants the Malvinas back tgey first have to be patient. History has taught the English that it can only be public opinion that will change things. It Is possible that things can change if Argentina pressures the British People on the costs of maintaining the Islands. The Falklanders only pay income tax and health ( NHS.) contributions. They pay NO Vat or other contributory tax so, they are being bailed out by the British taxpayer. This is their Achillies Heel and this is where the Argentine people need to concentrate their public opinion. As a Scotsman i cannot justify British Sovereignty over Islands 5000 miles from the UK.
The only costs the Falklands incur is roughly 60 million for the defence presence, part of the fund that is used for NATO regardless, meaning it doesn't matter if they are there or not, the cost is nothing
@@littleshep5502 i'd rather have a Hospital or some more Nurses instead of a money pit 5000 miles away. If the Falklanders want more, let them pay for it or encourage them to join the SNP.
@@alanbbrady8196 once again, the only funds that go to them go to NATO regardless of if the islands are there or not, meaning nothing would change if the islanders left
@@littleshep5502 Nonsense. Pure and utter garbage.
@@alanbbrady8196 Falklands is British. Don't be jealous cos you're leaving the uk and won't get hands on it.
It is easy for a country to unite, behind something that they cannot do anything about!
I think that Argentines should be more focused on the much more pressing problems that they have; child poverty, which is above 50%, the rampant government corruption, which wastes tens of millions of dollars a day, perhaps much more. Those are just the “tip of the iceberg”, focus on those things, things that could change people’s lives, for the better.
¡Es fácil para un país unirse, detrás de algo sobre lo que no pueden hacer nada!
Creo que los argentinos deberían estar más enfocados en los problemas mucho más apremiantes que tienen; la pobreza infantil, que supera el 50%, la corrupción gubernamental desenfrenada, que derrocha decenas de millones de dólares al día, tal vez mucho más. Esas son solo la "punta del iceberg", enfócate en esas cosas, cosas que podrían cambiar la vida de las personas, para bien.
We’ll done, you just started another war by provoking Argentinians.
@Dan Beech in his comment lol
@Dan Beech are you dumb?
As soon as we are done with your sister, we'll get right to it.
The amount of cope in one video is unbelievable
Dont bother watching this video or reading any long-winded comments, all you need to know is this:
A sad, pathetic nation cant get over that a battered and broken fallen empire was able to kick its ass.
The Falklands have always been, and always will be British. No need for paragraphs of personal experiences or beliefs on colonialism.
Perfect explanation 🙂
agreed the argentinians are pathetic losers who were tricked by their government into sending their sons and fathers to die for what turned out to be a pointless war for the argentinians but a great distraction for the government
🇺🇸 they’re British 🇬🇧🇫🇰