What Is The Difference Between Jungle and Drum And Bass? [CLIP]
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- A clip from our interview with Toronto’s legendary Marcus Visionary where he explains the difference between Jungle and Drum and Bass (DNB). Check out the full episode here: • Utility Room with Marc...
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why is one dude crying lmao
emotional times
Man was offf the Percs 😭
@@magfadez1855 drug free humans in the room that's nearly 14ft. underground
@@magfadez1855 that’s no percs. That’s pure unadulterated love for the breakz right there
Halfway through the interview someone ran into the studio and stole his tee-shirt and ripped it in half as a joke. You can see he's only wearing a hoodie.
Jungle music wasn’t the problem, it was wannabe gangsta youts taking too much coke & champagne they couldn’t handle, that tainted jungle gigs! Originally, jungle raves and venues were top notch & the vibes were intoxicating & amazing. Unfortunately, it was the gangsta wannabe’s that gave Jungle music a bad rep! I was part of the birth of Acid, House & Garage & Jungle music genre era (late 1980’s - 1990’s). I raved RELIGIOUSLY, from Friday to Sunday most weekends back then, It was brilliant! It’s so sad really, because it was a beautiful time in british music history for my age group. It’s always a few that ruin it for the rest.
thanks for the memory share
Same kinda happened in Cali lotta young people organized making a movement and gangs definitely not wannabe some killers but yk that's what fuked it up not that there isn't stuff happening just there's still ah stigma from some older folks because how it got back then
Gangsta wannabes aka Chavs
It's even simpler: Jungle has more syncopated and breakier beats and funkier baselines with sometimes lighter melodies, while drum and bass has more straight ahead beats and straighter basslines. Apart from that you'll find the same dark vibes, ragga vocals. I've always loved jungle over straight ahead D&B, way more interesting.
One of them has me dancing, one of them has me clicking 'next track' every time. You already know which is which. :)
i like when the straight ahead dnb artists incorporate a little jungle break into their track
Jungle has more funk, groove, soul, reggae you name it and is more on the harder side. Its a more vibrant sound.
Jungle sounds more "black"
I 'm a dnb lover , this music is in my veins and soul. however im having harder time in loving Jungle. thanks to your comment as it confirms that THERE IS IN FACT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN those two. As almost everyone in almost every forum or website kept claiming that Jungle and DnB are the same thing. When i agree that according to the history the one was inspired by the other , but the rythm and its quite different , and they sound different so why don't we just accept that they are NOT the same.
People from another country who weren't there not quite getting it right..
I thought it was going to be a trash take but he's describing one of the strand of the story quite well.
Do you even know who this geezer is?? Do your research mate !! Marcus has been around since the inception
Suprised no one has interviewed Marc Mac and Dego, two of the people who were there from the beginning.
Drum and Bass is middle class Jungle 😉
Hahaha that's gas!!
Interesting
Talking shit lad
Bs !!!! Loads of the same people who dj or produce jungle ended up in d n b ! I was there ! You know like Fabio ‘ groovrider ‘ leamon d ‘ dillinja ‘ Bailey ‘Randal ‘ jumping Jack Frost ‘ Bryan g !!!! Definitely a cap !!!!!
Meaning jungle would be "urban"? Very spicy take, but I agree.
That is an accurate story but he doesn’t really explain the difference.
Jungle uses many layers of breaks and pivotal around the amen break. It also use’s naturally sounding low lazy bass lines that sound detached from the break.
Drum and bass has stripped back simplified breakbeat with electronic synthesised bass lines.
Then there’s sub-genres.
I think his point is: the split came due producers trying to avoid negative associations with an increasingly problematic drug culture around Jungle. Then the music continued to evolve, but now with the drum and bass label. The two terms have been used interchangeably before this (also see comments here from people from that time) and continue to be used interchangeably today. For every clear example of one thing or the other, there is also a murky example, where the lines are blurred even the die hard fans could argue forever.
While we can point to valid differences (many good suggestions in the comments) but it is too easy to come across an example where each argument quickly falls apart. I know it sometimes feels like they’re separate genres, but over the years I had to admit to myself that that is only a matter of perception, and mostly even an illusion. Trying to separate them is only done retroactively with hindsight, but there was no strict intention to make something separate from Jungle from the beginning. I still think it is a complex matter with a lot of gray zone, but all in all, if I had to summarise it and to put it simple: Jungle is dnb, and dnb is Jungle.
BS, they're both the same. It's just an alternative name, nothing else. As my man @notimput says correctly, the sound evolved with a DnB label. Hip Hop for instance now is WAY different than it was in the 80's. It has evolved into a completely different sound (not for the better btw 😕), but the essence is still Hip Hop.
Idk how true this is but this dnb you get in clubs now is a bit boring. Early jungle is much richer in influence and often more creative imo
They’re also as different rhythmically as death metal to bossanova
@@robertrada4783 yeah the dnb beat doesn't make me want to dance at all I want sampled drum breaks.
Dnb has its moments but your right I kinda assume if it's ah DnB club it's ah sausage fest bro energy to the max jungles not my go to but it's still one the most beautiful styles of music
We asked this question in the early 90's when the music was in its infancy. Both the terms 'Jungle' and 'Drum and Bass' were in use simultaneously to describe the same music. The term drum and bass was used previously in the 70's to describe Dub versions of reggae songs. It also describes Jungle in the sense that the melody is often in the base track, while the drums provide the rhythm over the top (as with dub reggae which heavily influenced it). Approaching the mid 90's artists like Goldie pioneered a purer , more technical form of this music with tracks like 'Angel' that we recognised as different/ transitional and at the same time the old name Jungle gave way to the term Drum and Bass. We didn't know how lucky we were.
This is what I always thought about Jungle and DnB. Take the Album Drum & Bass Selection Vol1.
@@rschana100 I just googled it. Some absolute classics on that compilation. Many the Junglist movement would totally claim!
Hearing what you say but I clearly remember in the early / mid 90s and we definitely differentiated the music using each term
Someone asked me that question and all I could say was it’s like a feel, but there’s probably a way to explain it but I can’t
Agree that music is feelings. Thanks for watching!
Drum n’ Bass is literally defined by Kick Snare Breath Kick Snare Kick Snare Breath Kick Snare Kick Snare ad nausea. Jungle is literally defined by the same reoccurring drum breaks (winstons, jb’s, Lynn Collins) getting chopped to bits and reassembled in infinite ways. They’re not remotely the same music.
@@robertrada4783 a lot of drum and bass uses chopped breaks. at least, all the drum and bass i like. i dont even know why that kind of drum and bass is in the same genre tbh.
@@robertrada4783 thats not strictly true, early D n B, used breaks, it was called drum and bass because it came from hardcore, which had lots of other shit in it, but certain artist started to strip out the shit and keep it to the bare minimum of what we wanted to hear... BASS AND DRUMS! none of that happy piano shit, it was proto jungle, jungle and drum and bass were the same thing originally. Only over time did the terms become to mean slighty difference styles, where one like you say is a stripped down beat, while the other concentrated on crazy break manipulation.
the terms came from us trying to describe the rave music, "jungle" was hardcore with a tribal, jungle feel to it, especially when dub and ragga started to be mixed into it. DnB was hardcore/jungle stripped to the bare minimum. it was all influencing each other and the terms where born by the people buying the records, and the people selling the records, DJs, fans, etc
Noooooo jungle was council estate music in london no matter if your black or white if you grew up in the manor why is everyone saying black and white thats dumb my estate was black white asisn every race in the world
Can't accept Drum and Bass. We need Jungle I'm afraid...
How has someone not made a meme with that cryin' dude yet?
i'm lmao for minutes
Had a meeting 🤣😅😂 your talking utter rubbish
Opinions vary
I saw a video with Photek talking about said meeting, saying he opposed the name drum & bass, and that was the start of him losing interest. Can't remember where it was or I'd link it. interesting though
@@ROBERTTONUS it happened with a few crap mc,s and no premier league dj,s. The jungle crew
@@ROBERTTONUS done my degree 87 till now. 50 soon been there through the lot . Groove ,lenny dee frost evil eddie, randle , kid batchelor, Franky bones , fabio , Mr c, Hype and all there pals. Joey belram and Carl Cox. Sorry forgot Andy , scotty , lou vega
Guess you should brush up on your history and look up Goldie and who this Drum n bass committee was and what the meetings meant for the future of the genre.. You wouldnt have drum n bass without goldie to put it simply
I think it's also worth mentioning the race element: jungle was seen as "black" music, while drum & bass came to be seen as "white" music. That was a big reason why the UK media tried to cancel jungle music, yet was later more accepting of drum & bass.
What a load of bollox
Nobody was pin pointing this music as a colour jungle was a movement and a culture it was very a underground restricted music associated with violence just like hip hop were drum n bass came after by which time wasn't as associated with violence ( not that jungle ever was a violent music ) which is why it became popular in the mainstream nothing to do with colour you don't see music I don't think Andy c ever saw it as anything else but music
Truth. Jungle raves were always described as “too black, too dark” as the split from the hardcore scene became more apparent, as previously we were all “hardcore, salt and pepper”. The white folk lost interest which fuelled the start of “happy hardcore” (any idea why it was called that?) I would regularly have to exit events due to a night being shut down as things were also getting a bit out of hand. Jungle had unfortunately gained a bad reputation in London anyway. If you don’t understand this you obviously weren’t there. Tek 9 even addressed this in “you got to slow down“ in ‘93. Such a shame but that’s the truth.
Hardcore will never die
Big up all Junglists
Amen
@@infinitycult I share your opinion to the letter, however our opinions were not typical. As Martin Luther King said “I have a dream.”
Hardcore will never die
Big up all Junglists
Amen
@@robwall5530 Yep. Looking back at the history of jungle/drum & bass with a 'racial lens' is something contemporary. No one thought of these terms as being more black or white at the time.
i think DNB lost that ruffian/ thug phase a long time ago. When i got into it in 98 here in states in LA , jungle was huge, still is and dnb. But we had alot of the bad elements especially at the larger parties downtown. Shootings, rapes, drug deals gone bad inside parties(primarily b asian gangs/Hispanic
). The Orion venue in LA could be a damn right scary in the jungle area lol. But that seems to have gone away, the bad vibes of late 90s, early 00s in current parties. I still go to smaller dnb events a few times a year. Im 46, i cant do the massives anymore, just too much for me , money $$$ , and just plain old
Jungle was always very heavily raga & dancehall influenced; DnB is a cleaner Electronic beat.
Saying that, artists such as Nucleya, are making sound that blur the line between the two again. Whilst his music is more DnB, there is a reggae influence to some of his tunes, along with the South Indian beats.
Nucleya is the furthest thing from dnb lmao
Saying jungle = raga [sic] & dancehall. Is completely inaccurate and massively reductive
Not all jungle is ragga influenced. In the case of 'Just 4 u london' by Bodysnatch which came out in 1992.
I don't know if I'm a jungle producer or a drum and bass producer... I would really like to know.
beauty is in the eye of the beholder
😂
I've been a raver since 1990 and to me they are just the same thing. You had Hardcore Breakbeat which became Jungle Techno/ Drum and bass
Simply put jungle has soul an groove an bounce. Dnb is repetitive robotic and filled with loud screeching noise that makes your eats bleed
not as ba as si-trance
Isn't that jump up dnb?
@@ChasBeretta check it out, you need something to get through them nights !
All types of DnB are simply severely watered down versions of Jungle. Boring and monotonous. End of... 👎
Anybody who thinks they know what d&b is should listen to this from 1993: ruclips.net/video/6RyNplWC-qs/видео.html.
Then read Invisible Man's comments in 'The History of Drum & Bass' wikipedia.
Two foreigners trying to understand all this is ludicrous 😂. Drum n Bass is written on newer hardware. It’s as simple as that.
one of the differences for me is the lack of kick drum in jungle
Honestly I think you've described it how it was. I've heard albums which were called Drum & Bass selection and the same tunes are called Jungle in other albums. DnB and Jungle are the same to me.
What I don't like now days there's raves called DnB Vs Jungle and that splits the scene now.
Because people love this new style Jump up sound, with weird bass lines they listen to old skool DnB/Jungle and think it's a totally different style all together.
I'm personally illiterate in music production so I can't really ever tell the difference between dnb & jungle
King of the rollers and SPY aren't jungle...
The jungle raves were violent. As were the drum and bass raves up to the early 2000s. Stratford rex was a war zone. No one really cares though. Drum and bass is different to jungle. It started as break beat. It's faster. It came from jungle, but its different. And a world away from what it is now. Safer, but those who were there in the late 90s had the time of their lives. It was the fucking bollocks.
Imagine them telling us how we lived 🤣😂🤣😂
Jungle came first and then drum n bass came out of it later !!! Jungle would be Leviticus burial ! Or dj ss lighter etc !!! Drum n bass first era would be Goldie terminator etc ! I have been into it since 94 and went to raves and dj and night vinyl ! Never heard about this meeting ????And went to loads of raves in 98 that had jungle and d n d and still had raga mcs !!!!
* bought
The thing that is really missing out there is a solid explanation of how these genres evolved, providing actual examples of tracks released and therefore the date they occured. For example, is there an earlier example of the term "drum and bass" being used than the version of Charly on the September 1992 album 'Experience' by The Prodigy? Obviously for it to be called "Trip into Drum and Bass version" the phrase must have been in general use, and I doubt Liam himself invented the genre - more likely he heard another track (or multiple tracks) and made a version of Charly in that style.
Yes, we used to call the genre Hardcore, this was the popular term around 1991 when we was in School in London but even hardcore had fragmented styles to it, for example Hardcore-Jungle was identified as having elements of reggae/Dancehall samples in it, Happy-Hardcore had elements of pianos and pitched up vocals (due to the non existence of pitch shifting/timestretching technology of Akai/Emu samplers at the time, Happy Hardcore was more uplifting and melodic, there was also Darkside which was moody, making use of big scary/haunting synth stabs and movie samples.
Eventually as more young black British kids adopted Hardcore, the use of Reggae/Dancehall and Rare Groove samples spawned what is now known as Jungle. Drum and Bass was pretty Much born out of producers distancing themselves from the exploding Jungle scene and taking the music back to the absence of Reggae/Dancehall samples. Now we've kind of come full cycle and the lines between Jungle and Drum and Bass have been some what blurred but in General, Drum and Bass was always focused on instrumentation (Drums and Bass) with less Reggae vocals. The Prodigy, Acen (Trip 2 the moon) & labels such as Moving Shadow and Suburban Base were well known Hardcore record labels, and they're still going strong in the Drum and Bass/Jungle Scene.
I read on a king tubby CD the term 'drum n bass'. That was from the 70's and it was spelt like that too
They ignore the hardcore scene as it doesn't fit with modern woke politics.
@@imprss "Now we've kind of come full cycle..." I see what you did there. Nice. lol
@@mrglasses8953 Hardcore was the moment that all races started to go raving together. Jungle and D+B was a product of that with loads of Caribbean influence obviously. What a time. I'm sad to see the scene is now 99% white (and the violent, segregated path grime has taken).
Areyousureyouaretalklingaboutjunglenotukgarage?
Basically they turned it white
It's all Jungle. Don't hit me.
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Bullshit!
because ?
Then a lot of the bad elements fucked off to Garage and the Garage nights started to get MOODY as fuck. True story
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Thank you for clarifying this. I thought Jungle was just a "type" of DnB. Now I know better.
Not really true, though it has a smidgeon of truth in there.
dide on the left looks like hes at his peak heroin high
@@Neil_Hanson would you put money on it ?
Jungle techno started in 1991
Then it developed into breakbeat hardcore
Then around 94 95 ragga jungle stuff came around and kind of broke away from the rest
To me jungle is 94 95 stuff and drum and bass was the term used by the magazines and media to describe what was left. Like intelligent drum and bass etc.
No, jungle came from hardcore. lol
more precisely 'darkside'
wrong
Wow that's crazy!
Excellent Stories with Marcus. What was it that caught your attention?
The reason Marcus mentions that DnB scene was born from Jungle. The way different scenes are born from other scenes (sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse lol)
Im sorry but what is he talking about.. Im a producer of Jungle and Drum and Bass., i made some of the biggest Jungle and DnB tracks from 1994 to present date. I made Dred Bass { what the time dread) that was jungle as pure as it gets. no one said lets called it DnB to get more venues for gigs. jungle got its name from Mc mad P from Top Buzz. he started saying this is the sound of jungle techno. it progressed from there Drum and bass was a name that was also attached to the sound. Probably more so to the more intelligent style tracks such as logical progression etc.
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Yeah man, it baffles this explanation! He also stated reggae wasn't popular in the UK till the 90s as well 🤔😂
Jungle is basically earlier roots of drum and bass there's differences because jungle has ragga influences and slightly different to drum and bass however jungle is a subgenre of drum and bass........ More or less the same thing sort of.
Ive listened to jungle drum n bass since 93. Some of the things said here were not true. Im from england. I know what im talking about.
Promoters not getting venues due to them being jungle events?? Not true atall. There were plenty of venues and lots of raves. Lol
If you know what you're talking about, share your take on it. I'd love to have a simple explanation that I can share.
yeah i want to know the specifics of what you mean. is there a difference between jungle and drum and bass or is it just a name change?
It’s not really just a name change. D&B stripped out a lot of the reggae influences.
There are of course a lot of exceptions (Trust Me by Roni Size is a good exception.), but D&B became far more experimental and cutting edge compared to Jungle did. They aren’t the same thing but they share a lot of things.
@@Danlows1 how different is jungle from D&B melody wise?
@@bladedmittens thats a very hard question to answer as there’s a very wide range in D&B
Markus I love you! Please don't stop producing and get a Mother----ing podcast with interviews. I would watch! 🎵🎶🎼🔈🔉🔊🎤
The same thing happened with UK Garage music, the garage scene was for me was a way of life pirate radio music shops nightclubs the music in the UK garage scene was excellent
It became too popular and fools let it become what the media wanted which was a boogyman...then the enervatable happens...
True talk
Hardcore will never die
Big up all Junglists
Amen
Mc's over every single track killed garage music.
@@hoche27
It can work IF it's done properly over using then I can see your point..
i love Marcus DJ , seen him many times in toronto 90s and early 2000s... i DONT LIKE DUBSTep. thats just me
just wait till they find out about breakcore (jungle on cocaine)
So many people just call all drum & bass jungle... Shy FX is jungle which has ragga influences and MCing, LTJ Bukem is atmospheric drum & bass with spacial soulful sounds... Why can't people distinguish the difference?! 🤔🤷♂️
I've noticed people lumping darkside tunes into jungle playlists, but I've always thought that tunes like valley of shadows doesn't sound so ragga influenced compared to tunes like prizna-fire. Maybe the playlist creators are getting mixed up lol
From my perspective as a young boy in London it was the ‘troubles in the dance’ and the resultant image change necessitated a new name. Promoters needed the name more than those in the scene (everyone hates name changes until you get used to it) to get venues like the man says here. There is a retrospective sound difference but that’s probably more of an oversimplification based on the technology available over time.
This is a pretty accurate observation. Remember the term 'dark jungle'? When you have samples in records like 'six million ways to die, chose one' then you know violence will follow.
I’d love to watch this video but the volume is so low I don’t understand any word
Do you like jungle or drum and bass?
cant tell which one of them had more weed lol
i always wondered why it's not called jungle music as much these days. makes a lot of sense but still fawked up that it had to "change" it's actual name to be more uhh PR or PC? not sure but thank you for the history lesson on dnb music.
thats BS, it never had to change its name. I dont know what this canadian is on about
VERY good video, thank you
The difference is production but it's all jungle and it all can be traced back to detroit techno.
Very strange take.
Camo and dreadlocks
When he says hospital I’m assuming he’s referring to hospitality right?
Hospital Records.
What the hell is going on with your face Jelo.... I'm genuinely concerned as to what is happening off stage, you seem extremely uncomfortable!
It's gonna be ok
@@JELOofficial promise?
😂😂😂 is it.
Why does it look like the one dude is crying?
Wildcat!
look into a guy called gerald. forever changing... moving on!breakbeat to d&b to jungle. too many silly terms for genres now. disco house techno with 50 variants of each. pretentious in my book. dig it or dont x
People get things mixed up. Dude a know he claims to be "and EDM head" claims that House music came from dubstep, and that LMFAO were the first to make house lmao
My comment full of autocorrect
classes
So from my understanding, jungle has more breakbeats and drums?
no not at all, Jungle in general has lots of reggae/ragga/dancehall influences by way of samples, fx, vocals etc but in the broad spectrum of DnB & Jungle many tracks use the full range of breakbeats/drum patterns available.
Yes in Jungle you will hear a lean towards a particular range of drum patterns and breaks which make them 'characteristic' of Junngle of course but all types of drums/breaks are used in the whole scene.
@@richgreen5988 Kind of, but jungle in that narrow sense refers to the popular apache stuff of 1994. Listen to the jungle of late 1993 and it's more like what people define as drum & bass.
What about tunes like "valley if the shadows"? Does this "Darkside" fit with jungle or dnb?
Curious to know where Darkside fits. I see people lump Darkside/core tunes in "old school jungle" playlists, but there doesn't seem to be much ragga vocals in it. Saying that, Darkside does sound like the predecessor to speed garage. Kind of. Not sure lol
Jungle music is far superior to drum and bass in my opimion.
96 97 .....it changed to ed rush style to attract more whits
have always hated those damn whits
So historically Drum and Bass is a whitewash of Jungle, out of neccesity.
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Now what seperates jungle, ragga jungle, breakbeat hardcore and breakbeat?
this guy is talking pure bollocks
K. Educate us if you know better.
What is dude goin on about….😂 he hasn’t a clue
One may have come out of the other’s scene, but Jesus Christ man, Jungle and Drum n’ Bass are practically diametrically opposed.
Nonsense.
No they ain't
We always used the name drum n bass I first heard the term in 92 Mc fearless on weekend rush. same with Jungle.i remember the name getting thrown about in the early days ,tunes like body snatch , way in my brain. By 93 though Jungle was running tings Leviticus , Warning , worries in the dance . Then by late 95 Drum n bass minus the old skool samples of dance hall reggae ska . Instead a lot of Gangstar krs1 samples were doing the rounds. Minimalistic tunes like pulp fiction Jungle name was being dropped and Drum n bass was on every flyer.
The smith and mighty track from 1992 called 'Killa' had a sample in it which said 'Back to the drum n bass' so the term was doing the rounds already back then.
I agree. both terms were always used. It’s the same genre, just a different points in time. The ‘movement’ evolved and changed quicker back then. A lot of people cherry pick the past and try to dissect all the differences into categories. Same genre, different styles. It’s always been about experimentation with sound alongside technology and going down different unexplored routes.
“Dread bass” in 94 was the death of Jungle. It took me over a year to accept this track, it simply was not Jungle and never will be. “Booyaka” tracks were history and time has to move on. It is no doubt a primary factor why dnb is still here. I pay homage to tracks such as these and will always rinse as loud as I can for as long as I am on this earth.
Hardcore will never die
Big up all Junglists
Amen
Are you saying that Dred Bass was an early d&b track before the new genre definitions? If so, you're the only one in these comments that has the story right.
@@smartgenes1 it was a far departure from previous jungle music, the hardcore, breakbeat ,hip hop, soul, funk, rare groove, r n b, and other influences were removed. It’s a really stripped down track, literally “drum and bass” not the sort of thing you would want to be with your girl on the dance floor with! The reversed baseline which was now known as “dread bass” was soon used to many jungle remixes as it was now the way forward. I remember the day my friends at the record shop received a press, they said you must listen to this! I said “what the hell is that, it’s not jungle!” Jungle had been loosely referred to as “drum and bass” but as in more of a style, just like with reggae, in fact the album series “drum and bass” was a very good series too, “selection 1” from ’94 is probably one of the best jungle albums still to date and the hardcore influence is very prominent there. The jungle handle was soon dropped (it was gaining a bad reputation by ‘94 unfortunately) and drum and bass was the new “jungle”. I’m from NW London which was very into the scene and was in my mid twenties. I feel fortunate that I was there, right place right time
Hardcore will never die
Big up all Junglists
Amen
Where did Darkside fit in while all this was happening at the time? Was it grouped with the soulful side, or was it a proto-dread bass? Anyway, thanks for your comments on here. I learn new stuff lol