The Liverpool incident was more of a communication breakdown than a bad call per se. Diaz scores and the assistant referee raises his flag, so the call is offside, not goal. The VAR officials somehow think a goal was given, and the message is "check complete", which is what they usually say to confirm calls. By the time they noticed the error, play had restarted and it was too late.
The problem is not VAR, it is the people in VAR who are the problem, especially Premier League referees. The Var incident at Spurs vs Liverpool is not the first time, it has happened many times before and happens too often in the EPL even in this season that has just started. Meanwhile in other top European leagues this rarely happens, and the last world cup var was implemented very well, as far as I remember there were almost no errors related to var. and please note that of the 24 referees assigned to the VAR room at the 2022 FIFA World Cup, there is not a single Premier League referee.
The mistaken identity was when keiran gibbs handballs it for arsenal but the ref sent of Alex oxlande-chamberlain instead they played for arsenal at the time
The problem is with the referees, not the technology. We have already had English former VAR referees admit that they didn't overturn a mistake because they didn't want to emabarass their friend, the on-field referee. In the World Cup, where the refs don't know eachother as well, because they're selected from different countries - then the VAR implementation was much better.
the problem with the Liverpool game is not that VAR made a mistake in calling the wrong decision, they acknowledge that it is not an offside they just failed to communicate it better with the on-field referee. it was pure incompetence and a lack of communication.
What was wild about the VAR goal was that they had the right call but what they were checking was communicated wrong. The VAR thought they were checking for the offsides and they thought the center ref had awarded the goal. So they said check complete and awarded the goal. But what they were checking on the field was if he was offsides and the gial had not been awarded. It was a massive error but at the end of the day mistakes are a part of the game and they rightly lost any right to officiate games that weekend.
MLS Cup Final that LAFC won last year had 10 added minutes after playing extra time, in the 128th minute Gareth Bale scored a header to equalise and took the match to pens where LAFC won
Liverpool - Tottenham was 0-0 when Luis Diaz scored. And it was a communication error that lead to the mistake, the VAR room thought that the onfield decision was goal, because they had not seen that the linesman had called for off side.
In regards to your point about why have the officials on the pitch of they're not making the decisions: The on-pitch referee team makes the majority of calls themselves. The 4 scenarios which VAR is used for is actually a very small portion of the total calls made in a game. ie, VAR cannot used for ordinary fouls, yellow cards, medical stoppages, awarding of throw-ins/corners, injury time, dissent, managerial incidents. Also worth noting, the VAR does not make the final decision even in the 4 areas which it is intended for. They only advise the referee, who sometimes overrules them, but usually takes their advice as objective truth. In my opinion, on-field referees need to remember that the A in VAR stands for assistant, and that they themselves are still the man in charge, and responsible for the outcome of all decisions.
The offsides call wasn’t even close to the only game changing bad calls. The Mo Salah yellow card, the Diego Jota first yellow card. Playing advantage tell we get a corner, only to later call the foul and make us take a free kick in a non dangerous part of the field. They gave us a meaningless apology, then fined us 25,000 pounds for having too many cards. Half of which state admitted were bogus. They go after anyone who criticizes them.
I'm all for goal line technology because every fan is already curious to see if the ball is over but offside goals kills the mood waiting to see something that happened 5-10 seconds before the goal, in a sport with so low scoring the instant joy should be there. Also annoyed me seeing so many situations of dirty play (ex. what fans hate the most: diving) not being picked up because the rules to use VAR only apply for potential red cards, how hard can it be for the VAR team to tell the referee to hand out a yellow card next time the ball is out of play.
Corey, can you please react to "Italy the great revenge", even if you don't post the reaction, do watch it in private. It's about Italy winning euro 2020 having not qualified for the 2018 world cup. This euro campaign meant a lot for us as not qualifying for the world cup was a massive shocker as Italy are considered world cup powerhouses having won it 4 times. Anyways, love from Lombardy
In epl last season, the ball was only in play for about 60mins on average. That is why they add so many minutes at the end. There is a lot of time wasting minutes in the original 90 mins
You have to have conlusive evidence to overturn the call on the field. Just like in NHL or American Football. The biggest problem is, the dubious penalty kick calls almost never get overturned.
With the Liverpool incident with or without var it would've been the same outcome cuz the first ref to make a human mistake was the linesman with the offside call but yeh var screwed up big time.
Hey! So I am a big Liverpool fan, and although I feel robbed like many others, I still believe that VAR has a place in football. Bad calls happen, and this system makes it a bit fairer. BUT I believe it is poorly implemented and falls short of expectations. I think the best thing to do is improve protocols (especially communication protocols) and hire more personnel so that we don't have to have judges traveling around the globe 24/7 for matches. (Pls give us back our point 😢😢) #YNWA +Edit: imo VAR is best used for exact scenarios like goals, offside, offpitch, etc rules that are defined and objective. And VAR should not be used for subjective rule applications such as red and yellow cards.
It’s not the technology it’s the people using it. Particularly in the premier league. Bad former refs make bad var officials. The premier league should implement the semi auto offside system the champions league use and that’ll solve a lot of the problems like what happened at Liverpool. Also the only reason your hearing so much about the Liverpool decision is because it happened to Liverpool and klopp who loves to moan about literally anything had a field day with it. It it happened against Luton for example you wouldn’t of heard about it again
Var isn't the problem, it's the implementation of it along with the laws of the game that aren't black and white. Football is full of grey areas and the rules were written around these grey areas to allow the refs to interpret. There is an argument that because the game is very subjective outside of these major incidents that there's no point trying to objectify the sport outside of maybe the ball going out of play or offsides. Butterfly effect and whatnot. The implementation is certainly not fit for purpose though and its hurting the game. People are even beginning to get fed up with just how fluid the game was compared to the long waits of var now. But yes, the implementation needs to change. In a sport so rich and popular, they seem to not want to bother going all out with var, which they should or they should just scrap it. Rugby has the replays on big monitors for the whole stadium to see instead of a little monitor and we can hear the on field and var refs discussing the incident live. American football has it so the refs are hooked up to speakers so they can speak to the crowd. All this is desperately needed so people can know what's actually going on. It exacerbates the unavoidable human error aspect of the game which is driving everyone nuts. Fans were already annoyed at bad calls from refs, especially in big moments. But now when they have live replays and still get it wrong, it's far more painful. Either there needs to be a complete overhaul of var, going all out with making var the best it can be for both the refs and fans, along with significant rule tweaking for this new system of objectivity, or, if they're not willing to do that and do that fast, var needs to go for the sake of the game.
See VAR is not the problem, if you just remove the VAR technology then there will be like ZERO chance for correction of any human refereeing error, But what happening now a days is unexplainable even with having VAR. For example, Sometimes for similar incidents(mostly handball or offside) in different games , having different referees , their decisions differ Like some referees give hand ball shout only when ball hits the part of arm below sleeves and some gives including sleeve part And these make huge differences, suppose it happens in a title deciding match/final match, then the people will think there might be some corruption going on ... So the rule they need to clarify properly is from which part it should be given handball.
Swedish Allsvenskan is the only league in Europe that banned VAR. How? Every club is owned by their supporters. The supporters thought VAR ruined the experience of the game, so they voted to ban it. That's real supporter influence.
To me, the VAR is not the system but the refferreeing behind it, yes we're still only humans, the 0% mistake will never exist, but de doesn't mean we shouldn't give ourselves the way to make mistakes happen less frequently, especially when it has the impact on clubs, supporters, cities, countries, emotionally as well as economically VAR is useful anyway, whatever the situation because we know that with wathever number of refs on the field, with how players try to bait the foul, how they flop, with everyone trying to influence the ref by being angry or making gestures to say "ge touched it last" and everything, it's impossible to see everything and deal with everyone's bs Also, the ref on the pitch has the last say on a call, it happened that a ref was being by the VAR that the ball went in but still didn't called it and it didn't count, so to me there's no reason why there shouldn't be a system that offers you to have a security check when needed
VAR is very much damaging the game. There are a lot of interpretations of the rules that are subjected via video. It has created mass confusion and the refs very often come up with very radical calls. The goal needs to be consistency, not wild random interpretations... As for extra time, I saw on match in the League's Cup which had 35' of acumlative extra time (which included overtime).
he did not nail shit. VAR has fixed more errors than it has done. You only know about errors because no one talks when the decisions are right. In EPL, the referees were shit before the VAR. So of course it's gonna be shit now too. VAR has fixed many errors in other leagues which does not have the same problem as England. It's not damaging the game at all, it's fixing the errors that used to happen a lot before the technology came. @@CoreyMcKinneyFC
I have noticed that VAR has corrected a lot of things. With respect, I still stand behind my statement because VAR is far from perfect. I do not see the consistency that should be the standard..@@LauraGS564
I totally get it and am with everyone, that the call was blown. But everyone is saying that because Liverpool go up 1-0 that means they default get a point from the game? Spurs are experts at comebacks. But to say they robbed them of a win is disingenuous at best. Liverpool showed zero maturity after the blown call, 2 deserved red cards, then a fluke own goal. All the talk about spurs having a hard time scoring 11 v 9. Liverpool had all 9 in the box at all times. 11 v 11 there's at most 5-6 in the box during normal play, of course its harder to score when there is 9 people standing in front of the net, let alone some of the best defenders in the league. Was it a blown call, of course, but grow up. If it was luton or burnley we wouldn't be talking about it anymore. But because its fragile Liverpool its the end of the world, grow up.
This is just stupid. I know this guy doesn't know football much from his La Liga discussion but this used to happen pre var too. Var actually shows errors now and has corrected it a lot. EPL has the worst officials even before var and that's why mistakes happen. This doesn't happen in La Liga or other leagues or even MLS where I've not seen a mistake happen. Don't blame the technology.
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The Liverpool incident was more of a communication breakdown than a bad call per se. Diaz scores and the assistant referee raises his flag, so the call is offside, not goal. The VAR officials somehow think a goal was given, and the message is "check complete", which is what they usually say to confirm calls. By the time they noticed the error, play had restarted and it was too late.
Should we tell him about the pre-VAR days? 😅
I remember those. There are still problems to solve, sir.
The problem is not VAR, it is the people in VAR who are the problem, especially Premier League referees. The Var incident at Spurs vs Liverpool is not the first time, it has happened many times before and happens too often in the EPL even in this season that has just started. Meanwhile in other top European leagues this rarely happens, and the last world cup var was implemented very well, as far as I remember there were almost no errors related to var. and please note that of the 24 referees assigned to the VAR room at the 2022 FIFA World Cup, there is not a single Premier League referee.
What do you think is the reason for such bad referees in the UK?
Oooh there used to be way more corruption before var lol
The mistaken identity was when keiran gibbs handballs it for arsenal but the ref sent of Alex oxlande-chamberlain instead they played for arsenal at the time
The problem is with the referees, not the technology. We have already had English former VAR referees admit that they didn't overturn a mistake because they didn't want to emabarass their friend, the on-field referee. In the World Cup, where the refs don't know eachother as well, because they're selected from different countries - then the VAR implementation was much better.
the problem with the Liverpool game is not that VAR made a mistake in calling the wrong decision, they acknowledge that it is not an offside they just failed to communicate it better with the on-field referee. it was pure incompetence and a lack of communication.
the var can have mistakes, but football its better with it than without it, also hoping to see the reaction on neymar soon
What was wild about the VAR goal was that they had the right call but what they were checking was communicated wrong. The VAR thought they were checking for the offsides and they thought the center ref had awarded the goal. So they said check complete and awarded the goal. But what they were checking on the field was if he was offsides and the gial had not been awarded. It was a massive error but at the end of the day mistakes are a part of the game and they rightly lost any right to officiate games that weekend.
MLS Cup Final that LAFC won last year had 10 added minutes after playing extra time, in the 128th minute Gareth Bale scored a header to equalise and took the match to pens where LAFC won
Liverpool - Tottenham was 0-0 when Luis Diaz scored. And it was a communication error that lead to the mistake, the VAR room thought that the onfield decision was goal, because they had not seen that the linesman had called for off side.
In regards to your point about why have the officials on the pitch of they're not making the decisions: The on-pitch referee team makes the majority of calls themselves. The 4 scenarios which VAR is used for is actually a very small portion of the total calls made in a game. ie, VAR cannot used for ordinary fouls, yellow cards, medical stoppages, awarding of throw-ins/corners, injury time, dissent, managerial incidents.
Also worth noting, the VAR does not make the final decision even in the 4 areas which it is intended for. They only advise the referee, who sometimes overrules them, but usually takes their advice as objective truth.
In my opinion, on-field referees need to remember that the A in VAR stands for assistant, and that they themselves are still the man in charge, and responsible for the outcome of all decisions.
The offsides call wasn’t even close to the only game changing bad calls. The Mo Salah yellow card, the Diego Jota first yellow card. Playing advantage tell we get a corner, only to later call the foul and make us take a free kick in a non dangerous part of the field. They gave us a meaningless apology, then fined us 25,000 pounds for having too many cards. Half of which state admitted were bogus. They go after anyone who criticizes them.
I'm all for goal line technology because every fan is already curious to see if the ball is over but offside goals kills the mood waiting to see something that happened 5-10 seconds before the goal, in a sport with so low scoring the instant joy should be there. Also annoyed me seeing so many situations of dirty play (ex. what fans hate the most: diving) not being picked up because the rules to use VAR only apply for potential red cards, how hard can it be for the VAR team to tell the referee to hand out a yellow card next time the ball is out of play.
Corey, can you please react to "Italy the great revenge", even if you don't post the reaction, do watch it in private. It's about Italy winning euro 2020 having not qualified for the 2018 world cup. This euro campaign meant a lot for us as not qualifying for the world cup was a massive shocker as Italy are considered world cup powerhouses having won it 4 times. Anyways, love from Lombardy
VAR is good, but the problem is when they change the rules to accommodate it.
In epl last season, the ball was only in play for about 60mins on average. That is why they add so many minutes at the end. There is a lot of time wasting minutes in the original 90 mins
var at the World Cup was very good. VAR is not the issue
It was 0-0 when Luis Diaz scored that goal.
You have to have conlusive evidence to overturn the call on the field. Just like in NHL or American Football. The biggest problem is, the dubious penalty kick calls almost never get overturned.
With the Liverpool incident with or without var it would've been the same outcome cuz the first ref to make a human mistake was the linesman with the offside call but yeh var screwed up big time.
The problem is not so much VAR but more the corrupt PGMOL
Guys Liverpool vs Spurs is not a big game or a huge rivalry.
I prefer VAR. The dark arts (fouls and dives) were heavily abused prior to VAR and I hated the very unjust outcomes they would produce. I love VAR.
Hey! So I am a big Liverpool fan, and although I feel robbed like many others, I still believe that VAR has a place in football. Bad calls happen, and this system makes it a bit fairer. BUT I believe it is poorly implemented and falls short of expectations. I think the best thing to do is improve protocols (especially communication protocols) and hire more personnel so that we don't have to have judges traveling around the globe 24/7 for matches.
(Pls give us back our point 😢😢) #YNWA
+Edit: imo VAR is best used for exact scenarios like goals, offside, offpitch, etc rules that are defined and objective. And VAR should not be used for subjective rule applications such as red and yellow cards.
A english referee i forgot his Name embarrased himself in 2006 world cup by mistakely issuing 2 yellow card to a croatian player 😂
pre var was much much worse imo. Also var is definitely a much more sophisticated version of the us instant replay.
Petetion to have both luke and cam together
There's a full audio of the conversation of the refs
It’s not the technology it’s the people using it. Particularly in the premier league. Bad former refs make bad var officials. The premier league should implement the semi auto offside system the champions league use and that’ll solve a lot of the problems like what happened at Liverpool.
Also the only reason your hearing so much about the Liverpool decision is because it happened to Liverpool and klopp who loves to moan about literally anything had a field day with it. It it happened against Luton for example you wouldn’t of heard about it again
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Var isn't the problem, it's the implementation of it along with the laws of the game that aren't black and white. Football is full of grey areas and the rules were written around these grey areas to allow the refs to interpret. There is an argument that because the game is very subjective outside of these major incidents that there's no point trying to objectify the sport outside of maybe the ball going out of play or offsides. Butterfly effect and whatnot.
The implementation is certainly not fit for purpose though and its hurting the game. People are even beginning to get fed up with just how fluid the game was compared to the long waits of var now. But yes, the implementation needs to change. In a sport so rich and popular, they seem to not want to bother going all out with var, which they should or they should just scrap it. Rugby has the replays on big monitors for the whole stadium to see instead of a little monitor and we can hear the on field and var refs discussing the incident live. American football has it so the refs are hooked up to speakers so they can speak to the crowd. All this is desperately needed so people can know what's actually going on.
It exacerbates the unavoidable human error aspect of the game which is driving everyone nuts. Fans were already annoyed at bad calls from refs, especially in big moments. But now when they have live replays and still get it wrong, it's far more painful. Either there needs to be a complete overhaul of var, going all out with making var the best it can be for both the refs and fans, along with significant rule tweaking for this new system of objectivity, or, if they're not willing to do that and do that fast, var needs to go for the sake of the game.
See VAR is not the problem, if you just remove the VAR technology then there will be like ZERO chance for correction of any human refereeing error,
But what happening now a days is unexplainable even with having VAR.
For example, Sometimes for similar incidents(mostly handball or offside) in different games , having different referees , their decisions differ
Like some referees give hand ball shout only when ball hits the part of arm below sleeves and some gives including sleeve part
And these make huge differences, suppose it happens in a title deciding match/final match, then the people will think there might be some corruption going on ...
So the rule they need to clarify properly is from which part it should be given handball.
Swedish Allsvenskan is the only league in Europe that banned VAR. How? Every club is owned by their supporters. The supporters thought VAR ruined the experience of the game, so they voted to ban it. That's real supporter influence.
To me, the VAR is not the system but the refferreeing behind it, yes we're still only humans, the 0% mistake will never exist, but de doesn't mean we shouldn't give ourselves the way to make mistakes happen less frequently, especially when it has the impact on clubs, supporters, cities, countries, emotionally as well as economically
VAR is useful anyway, whatever the situation because we know that with wathever number of refs on the field, with how players try to bait the foul, how they flop, with everyone trying to influence the ref by being angry or making gestures to say "ge touched it last" and everything, it's impossible to see everything and deal with everyone's bs
Also, the ref on the pitch has the last say on a call, it happened that a ref was being by the VAR that the ball went in but still didn't called it and it didn't count, so to me there's no reason why there shouldn't be a system that offers you to have a security check when needed
I've been against VAR from the beginning. I don't care if every decision is correct but don't give us the illusion that it will be.
VAR is very much damaging the game. There are a lot of interpretations of the rules that are subjected via video. It has created mass confusion and the refs very often come up with very radical calls. The goal needs to be consistency, not wild random interpretations... As for extra time, I saw on match in the League's Cup which had 35' of acumlative extra time (which included overtime).
I think you nailed it
he did not nail shit. VAR has fixed more errors than it has done. You only know about errors because no one talks when the decisions are right. In EPL, the referees were shit before the VAR. So of course it's gonna be shit now too. VAR has fixed many errors in other leagues which does not have the same problem as England. It's not damaging the game at all, it's fixing the errors that used to happen a lot before the technology came. @@CoreyMcKinneyFC
I have noticed that VAR has corrected a lot of things. With respect, I still stand behind my statement because VAR is far from perfect. I do not see the consistency that should be the standard..@@LauraGS564
@@angusmcwhorter9012Nothing is perfect. Officials made mistakes, more in fact, before var. Your statement is nonsensical
The problem is those English referees I swear
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I totally get it and am with everyone, that the call was blown. But everyone is saying that because Liverpool go up 1-0 that means they default get a point from the game? Spurs are experts at comebacks. But to say they robbed them of a win is disingenuous at best. Liverpool showed zero maturity after the blown call, 2 deserved red cards, then a fluke own goal. All the talk about spurs having a hard time scoring 11 v 9. Liverpool had all 9 in the box at all times. 11 v 11 there's at most 5-6 in the box during normal play, of course its harder to score when there is 9 people standing in front of the net, let alone some of the best defenders in the league. Was it a blown call, of course, but grow up. If it was luton or burnley we wouldn't be talking about it anymore. But because its fragile Liverpool its the end of the world, grow up.
This is just stupid. I know this guy doesn't know football much from his La Liga discussion but this used to happen pre var too. Var actually shows errors now and has corrected it a lot. EPL has the worst officials even before var and that's why mistakes happen. This doesn't happen in La Liga or other leagues or even MLS where I've not seen a mistake happen. Don't blame the technology.