It took a while but Marc Gasol has arrived as a player in the NBA. His numbers this season are making this trade better and better for the Grizz. Its not the same deal anymore, Marc has brought balance to it with his developing skills.
Seems like we got a bunch of dumb "hype" analysts these days. I think e as a whole NBA has too much"hype" these days but I'll probably be looked at as an old head even though I'm only 31.
Best day of my young life when this happened. I was 10 years old and I remember being so happy when this trade went down cause I knew we had a shot now.
When I first heard the rumors for this trade I remember laughing and turning off the TV. I thought it was a miss print or something, b/c I couldn't believe any GM would be dumb enough to trade their best player, a Rookie of the Year, and a high IQ 7 footer who could catch, dribble, run, pass and THINK for Kwame Brown. Later that night when I got home and saw it actually went through I dropped the remote and screamed with excitement!
it wasn't necessarily a bad trade at the time. they needed a big man, and butler was on his last year of his contract. plus, without the trade, the lakers would've never had the miracle of obtaining gasol.
Nothing to do with Jerry West hooking LA up, because he retired from GM in 2007. And it isn't as lopsided as people think, as Lakers gave up Marc Gasol.
@@CraigMcGuinn In fact, Marc was dominating spanish league like no one before at that moment, much more than Pau ever did. That year he took the all time record for most player of the week in a season in spanish league that was holded at the time by the one an only Arvydas Sabonis and won season MVP playing in a bottom half team. He also had already won a world championship with spanish national team performing a defensive clinic at the final at only 18yo. Peolple who had seen him play knew he would become a terrific player. Most americans don't know how many great players have come out of spanish league and how hard is for young players to shine there. People like Porzingis, Doncic, Calderón, Ibaka, Domantas Sabonis, etc. started their carreers there and only Doncic came close to the individual impact of Marc Gasol.
I also wanna say that trading Javaris and Mark could haunt LAL down the line. Two very talented guys. But as said before, LAL wanna win now. And I think they will. I'm guessing three titles the next five years.
@Conduit Memphis got a bigger tougher version of Pau with less offensive skills yes, but only makes 3.4M this coming season. For a small market team, thats a steal
Dear Hater, You're right about one thing....I was calling for Mitch's head. He was overdue for putting the right pieces around Kobe. In my opinion, he has redeemed himself by landing Gasol. Better late than never. Sincerely, Moron(with a championship in 08)
@MISAMEscobar lets ignore the 3 finals (2 championships) they couldn't have won without Pau. This idea Marc Gasol is better skill-wise at this point than Pau is still not true. Pau still averages more points, more rebounds, more assists and shoots from a further range. And Lakers have a better record than Memphis so its not like pau's padding his stats.
@Y2JTO well thats true, but hes starting to show that he can shoot the ball alittle more efficently. Hes hitting threes alittle better, hes hitting his free throws. give him alittle more playing time and he will get better
firstly, alston was on the magic not the rockets when they took the lakers to 7. yao was not present for 3 games. battier and artest were there but they relied heavily on 2nd year-3rd year guys to carry the load. battier was a defensive presence so they only had about 2 lethal offensive weapons (artest and a 3 year guard, first year starting guard aaron brooks).
Pierce was deservedly honored as the finals MVP, but if Pierce was all the Lakers had to worry about, there would have been a championship parade in Los Angeles. (Look at PP's shooting and scoring totals in Game 5 and 6.) Indeed, the real difference in the series was the Lakers' inability to combat the speed, quickness and decision-making of Rajon Rondo. ------------------------------------------- Wow. But what about his lack of experience.
@Zeke4TV the reason that small market teams dont land the big stars in trades is simple. Small market teams dont have scrub players making 9 mil a year that they can offer teams as an expiring contract and they wont give up salary cap or their core players to get somebody else. Look at OKC Thunder, i live outside OKC by the way. They didnt try to get any big free ageents when they had a lot of cap room b/c they knew they had to resign durant and now westbrook next year.
This is the only trade that I felt truly benefitted both teams, Marc Gasol will be a HOFer like this older brother soon and the Grizzlies were title contenders through the 2010s because of this trade. And of course, the lakers got two more titles.
Haha, hell yeah! I mean, they gave up a complete bust in kwame (Oh how happy I was when I saw that), Critter, a couple draft picks they don't really need, and amongst other stuff. This was an absolute steal! And hey! This trade, in my opinion, was what brought the title back to Los Angeles! Go Lakers!
this trade i think is very underrated you consider thee fact that memphis is restarting trying to get salary cap space and the lakers on the other hand wanted to win NOW to keep kobe happy.and to me the x factor of this trade is Marc Gasol who will soon be very good.So all i am trying to say is when ever i hear this trade i hear that memphis got ripped of. NO! they did not want talent they just wanted salary cap and expiriering contracts.
The NBA and its owners/players/GM’s were all pissed off about this trade and basically forced Stern’s hand in 2011 to veto the Chris Paul trade because they did not want a repeat of this trade.
the refs didnt make aaron brooks drop 30 in game 6, the hawks only show up on their home court... the pistons were the same in only showing up every now and again... The Rockets just play hard every game
Those writers don't have to make "excuses" for the lakers because guys like you will do that for them. Keep fighting the "good" fight Lloydx4 and enjoy your summer.
What we learned in the NBA Finals by Charley Rosen But the biggest lesson to be learned from the series is actually the reprise of an old one: Defense wins championships. It's a lesson that too many players, coaches and general managers still haven't grasped. That's because offense is more glamorous, more easily appreciated by both advertisers and casual fans, more financially rewarding to all participants, more ego satisfying and much easier to play and coach.
The reason they picked the lakers was because of their home record and offense. They forgot about the Hawks series after they beat the Pistons in 6 right before the finals.
@Teb0w15 well actually Gasol wanted out too, and the Grizzlies saved 49 millions of dollars!!! 49!!!. so thats why they did it. they were be able to save a lot of money.... and look them now. in the future it actually helped them out. they were in a rebuilding mode
I remember them talking about about Pao and Odom's being absolute NO-SHOWS for long periods during the game. Please don't talk about Superstars when comparing Phil and Doc. Doc had NOTHING to work with until last season. Phil had Shaq and Kobe during the Lakers run. He had Jordan and Pippen during the Bulls run. To have such high accomplishments and be outcoached by Doc Rivers is the ultimate CHOKE job.
@GreatkingAlexander they werent going anywhere with pau and didnt want to pay him that much money. They are rebuilding, but i think giving Gay that much money was kinda crazy, but not as crazy as how much ATL gave Joe Johnson.
Memphis is strange. Mayo, Gay, Randolf, and now Gasol all can be all star worthy, and yet they're still an average team. The new Gasol is going to be great if not even greater than Pau. Pau's main help is that he's more experienced and has Phil Jackson as a coach. If Marc can work himself to do better, he'll be great.
this is so nice man other 29 teams should just quit kobe best player in the world pau gasol bomb ass player lamor odom versital scorer big man andrew bynum good bench and greatest coach ever phil jackson please
This trade was great for both. For lakers you got a great center/power forward. For memphis you lower the salary meaning in the future you are able to afford someone else. They got a first round pick and they got marc. Look at them now. They are in the semI finals for west.
Jack McCallum > INSIDE THE NBA Lakers have issues to address There are almost as many reasons to flash caution flags about the 2008-09 Lakers as there are to start sewing championship banners. Let's begin with the obvious -- the way they played Tuesday night against the Celtics. Yes, it is extremely tough to win two elimination games in a row, particularly after flying cross-country to play the second in enemy territory. But tough shouldn't add up to mailing it in.
Let's also not forget about the "Zen Master's" finals experience. He should've out-coached Doc instead of the other way around. So stop with that weak argument.
wat the hell are you talking about? Teams made trade because they want to, nobody force them to do anything, and did you say the Celtics get Garnett for nothing? They GAVE UP 7 young talented player and some draft pick, for god sake.
Even the commentators can't believe when this DEAL went thru. Kobe is one lucky SOB! Always...always gets a proven ALL-STAR. Of course can't blame Gasol...for the opportunity.
what was the difference between hawks/celtics? hawks never won a game in boston and did not blow out the celtics in any of their wins. houston repeatedly blew out the lakers and if they were @ full strength they would have won the series and you know it.
Did YOU hear critics talking about the laker's loosing because of experience? I didn't. I did remember them talking about Phil's inability to adjust to doc's small lineup in game 4. I remember critics talking about their inability to play any sort of defence in crucial situations. (See Sasha's TERRIBLE defence against Ray Allen)
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3 straight NBA finals and 2 championships later….. it was the best move they could’ve made that year.
The best day of my teens because I knew what was to come and we got rid of KWAME BROWN!!!
The best day of my teens was in 2001, when Turner Sports wised up and chose Barkley over that moron Peter Vecsey.
This trade saved Kobe's legacy and the Lakers organization fr fr.
looking back now it was a great deal for both teams when u look at the direction both teams was going it worked out both ways
It took a while but Marc Gasol has arrived as a player in the NBA. His numbers this season are making this trade better and better for the Grizz. Its not the same deal anymore, Marc has brought balance to it with his developing skills.
whatever happend to these analyst ? They were spot on on almost everything they just said
Yea I was just thinking these guys are really good lol
Seems like we got a bunch of dumb "hype" analysts these days. I think e as a whole NBA has too much"hype" these days but I'll probably be looked at as an old head even though I'm only 31.
It’s all about entertainment
@@weiner_hands-guy914 It’s just talking heads who present dumb takes without analyzing the game
@@weiner_hands-guy914 Espn legit has Kendrick Perkins discussing basketball 😂
Gasol in the triangle offense is a match made in Heaven, especially since Kobe is there.
Michael Jordan is better than LeBron!
I left work early after I found out Pau got traded to LA. I couldn't believe it.
Best day of my young life when this happened. I was 10 years old and I remember being so happy when this trade went down cause I knew we had a shot now.
Y después de tantos años Pau es all of fame tiene su camiseta en lo mas alto de el Staples y dos anillos en casa
And you can tell KOBE was so excited!
If u think Marc Gasol is better than Pau...u smokin some exotic shit
When I first heard the rumors for this trade I remember laughing and turning off the TV. I thought it was a miss print or something, b/c I couldn't believe any GM would be dumb enough to trade their best player, a Rookie of the Year, and a high IQ 7 footer who could catch, dribble, run, pass and THINK for Kwame Brown.
Later that night when I got home and saw it actually went through I dropped the remote and screamed with excitement!
I am from the future and let’s say Gasol’s brother Marc also won a championship but with the Raptors 😃
I think David stern intervened
What a day for LA man🤣🤣
Lmao NBATV used to be so different
Feels like 90s
So much better *
We got Pau again?? LET'S GO!!!
it wasn't necessarily a bad trade at the time. they needed a big man, and butler was on his last year of his contract. plus, without the trade, the lakers would've never had the miracle of obtaining gasol.
Bynum injury was a blessing in disguise. Got hurt and then they need a center badly.
Nothing to do with Jerry West hooking LA up, because he retired from GM in 2007.
And it isn't as lopsided as people think, as Lakers gave up Marc Gasol.
It's pretty close right now, Marc is now a total monster and an all-star.
But the Lakers' GM and executives weren't fortune tellers, and Marc hadn't yet achieved that status when this trade was made
@@CraigMcGuinn Doesn’t matter, this trade was a win-win for both teams
@@CraigMcGuinn In fact, Marc was dominating spanish league like no one before at that moment, much more than Pau ever did. That year he took the all time record for most player of the week in a season in spanish league that was holded at the time by the one an only Arvydas Sabonis and won season MVP playing in a bottom half team. He also had already won a world championship with spanish national team performing a defensive clinic at the final at only 18yo. Peolple who had seen him play knew he would become a terrific player. Most americans don't know how many great players have come out of spanish league and how hard is for young players to shine there. People like Porzingis, Doncic, Calderón, Ibaka, Domantas Sabonis, etc. started their carreers there and only Doncic came close to the individual impact of Marc Gasol.
Still crazy.. They gave a bust for a HoF
A ring is a ring is a ring.
I also wanna say that trading Javaris and Mark could haunt LAL down the line. Two very talented guys. But as said before, LAL wanna win now. And I think they will. I'm guessing three titles the next five years.
you were right on marc, but javaris???? he never did anything in the league! never!
@@griefiee yup dude in jail for murder 🤦🏽♂️
Extremely uneven trade. Cannot beleive it was allowed to go through
mark gasol 😊
If LAL somehow trade for Artest now, who wants to get away, they'll be unstoppable.
Damn man you got it spot on
Lol and 13 years later, Marc Gasol gets to play for the Lakers ☠😂 the team that drafted him and traded him for his brother Pau
and recently got traded back to Memphis.
Gasol is wining the ring for Lakers.
It was a good trade for both team. Lakers needed Championships. Memphis needed to extend their future.
Lol his reason was for salary cap???? Getting rid of Pau Gasol to the lakers was for salary??? Wow
If this trade went down in todays nba, would have been like 4 draft picks and two quality players
RIP KOBE
I know right, it's amazing why teams still get him for a year.
@Conduit Memphis got a bigger tougher version of Pau with less offensive skills yes, but only makes 3.4M this coming season. For a small market team, thats a steal
Dear Hater,
You're right about one thing....I was calling for Mitch's head. He was overdue for putting the right pieces around Kobe. In my opinion, he has redeemed himself by landing Gasol. Better late than never.
Sincerely,
Moron(with a championship in 08)
@MISAMEscobar lets ignore the 3 finals (2 championships) they couldn't have won without Pau.
This idea Marc Gasol is better skill-wise at this point than Pau is still not true. Pau still averages more points, more rebounds, more assists and shoots from a further range. And Lakers have a better record than Memphis so its not like pau's padding his stats.
Grizz got the best of that trade. They got a No 1 overall draft pick in Kwame Brown. He was a great one.
IKR who could pass up the #1 pick. It's not like they helped the Lakers win the championship.
@Y2JTO well thats true, but hes starting to show that he can shoot the ball alittle more efficently. Hes hitting threes alittle better, hes hitting his free throws. give him alittle more playing time and he will get better
the biggest load of extortion in the form of an nba trade this decade
firstly, alston was on the magic not the rockets when they took the lakers to 7. yao was not present for 3 games. battier and artest were there but they relied heavily on 2nd year-3rd year guys to carry the load. battier was a defensive presence so they only had about 2 lethal offensive weapons (artest and a 3 year guard, first year starting guard aaron brooks).
If Marc Gasol continues to develop, this trade won't be a steal. Oh, and the grizz got Randolph (whos meshing really well w/ Marc)
The Lakers are dangerous now oh my God when Bynum gets back, holy sh*****
They did
Like I said Equal or near Equal value, The Wolves got Al Jefferson for KG who is a beast, he just got hurt last year which you can't blame him for...
Pierce was deservedly honored as the finals MVP, but if Pierce was all the Lakers had to worry about, there would have been a championship parade in Los Angeles. (Look at PP's shooting and scoring totals in Game 5 and 6.) Indeed, the real difference in the series was the Lakers' inability to combat the speed, quickness and decision-making of Rajon Rondo.
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Wow. But what about his lack of experience.
big mistake!!!!!!
they wouldnt win last two titles without THE PAU GASOL on the court
Good trade for both teams.
@Zeke4TV the reason that small market teams dont land the big stars in trades is simple. Small market teams dont have scrub players making 9 mil a year that they can offer teams as an expiring contract and they wont give up salary cap or their core players to get somebody else. Look at OKC Thunder, i live outside OKC by the way. They didnt try to get any big free ageents when they had a lot of cap room b/c they knew they had to resign durant and now westbrook next year.
This is the only trade that I felt truly benefitted both teams, Marc Gasol will be a HOFer like this older brother soon and the Grizzlies were title contenders through the 2010s because of this trade. And of course, the lakers got two more titles.
It's almost a triple tower effect considering you have Lamar Odom in the mix.
if Gasol is going to the LAkers, the grizzlies should get Andrew Bynum or Kwame Brown......
Like Tim Duncan and Robinson at the Spurs a while ago
Haha, hell yeah! I mean, they gave up a complete bust in kwame (Oh how happy I was when I saw that), Critter, a couple draft picks they don't really need, and amongst other stuff. This was an absolute steal! And hey! This trade, in my opinion, was what brought the title back to Los Angeles! Go Lakers!
adding artest to the line up we have a "great wall of Los Angeles"
this trade i think is very underrated you consider thee fact that memphis is restarting trying to get salary cap space and the lakers on the other hand wanted to win NOW to keep kobe happy.and to me the x factor of this trade is Marc Gasol who will soon be very good.So all i am trying to say is when ever i hear this trade i hear that memphis got ripped of. NO! they did not want talent they just wanted salary cap and expiriering contracts.
The NBA and its owners/players/GM’s were all pissed off about this trade and basically forced Stern’s hand in 2011 to veto the Chris Paul trade because they did not want a repeat of this trade.
the refs didnt make aaron brooks drop 30 in game 6, the hawks only show up on their home court... the pistons were the same in only showing up every now and again... The Rockets just play hard every game
Those writers don't have to make "excuses" for the lakers because guys like you will do that for them.
Keep fighting the "good" fight Lloydx4 and enjoy your summer.
What we learned in the NBA Finals
by Charley Rosen
But the biggest lesson to be learned from the series is actually the reprise of an old one: Defense wins championships.
It's a lesson that too many players, coaches and general managers still haven't grasped. That's because offense is more glamorous, more easily appreciated by both advertisers and casual fans, more financially rewarding to all participants, more ego satisfying and much easier to play and coach.
2010 bitch 😂
The reason they picked the lakers was because of their home record and offense.
They forgot about the Hawks series after they beat the Pistons in 6 right before the finals.
@Zeke4TV How so? I bet you didn't even know who Pau Gasol was when he was on Memphis.
I did
@Teb0w15 well actually Gasol wanted out too, and the Grizzlies saved 49 millions of dollars!!! 49!!!. so thats why they did it. they were be able to save a lot of money.... and look them now. in the future it actually helped them out. they were in a rebuilding mode
Phil Jackson saying twin towers in 2008?? Too soon my guy
Obviously not given the proof.
3 Championship rings will beg to differ.
2002 Shaquille O Neal Grandslam
09-10 Pau Gasol 💜💛
I was thinking something similar myself. In some ways Memphis got the better deal.
Lakers won two championships that is all that matters
the memphis gm should of been fired for this... it still makes me laugh and its 2 seasons ago
Keep in mind that Memphis acquired Marc Gasol in this trade, despite the fact that the Lakers got the better deal
I remember them talking about about Pao and Odom's being absolute NO-SHOWS for long periods during the game.
Please don't talk about Superstars when comparing Phil and Doc.
Doc had NOTHING to work with until last season.
Phil had Shaq and Kobe during the Lakers run. He had Jordan and Pippen during the Bulls run.
To have such high accomplishments and be outcoached by Doc Rivers is the ultimate CHOKE job.
it was a stickup!! LOL
Michael Jordan was the guy who pushed the wizards to chose Kawme in 2001.
fair trade because marc gasol is turning out to be pretty good
@GreatkingAlexander they werent going anywhere with pau and didnt want to pay him that much money. They are rebuilding, but i think giving Gay that much money was kinda crazy, but not as crazy as how much ATL gave Joe Johnson.
And the Spurs lost to the Sonics. Your point?
trading kwame brown for anything is a great trade.
Memphis is strange. Mayo, Gay, Randolf, and now Gasol all can be all star worthy, and yet they're still an average team.
The new Gasol is going to be great if not even greater than Pau. Pau's main help is that he's more experienced and has Phil Jackson as a coach. If Marc can work himself to do better, he'll be great.
this is so nice man other 29 teams should just quit kobe best player in the world pau gasol bomb ass player lamor odom versital scorer big man andrew bynum good bench and greatest coach ever phil jackson please
I'd trade Kwame Brown for stick of gum.
Memphis has been a contender since 2011. The last year the lakers were contenders was 2011
Lakers got two rings with this trade .
yo i know we won with prime Pau but just think we could have had young Marc.
I’m from the future...and the Lakers won a title in 2020
grizzlies traded him for some cash and a can of pringles
@Y2JTO-its not too late. he can still go back. :)
@Y2JTO Shannon is stepping up
@Zeke4TV how was it not workable?
i dont know who is pau gasol that day..that year
it's not a trade, in a trade you get equal or near equal value. this was just highway robbery...
Grizzlies GM thoughts right after he traded Gasol "Cocaine is a hell of a drug!"
This trade was great for both. For lakers you got a great center/power forward. For memphis you lower the salary meaning in the future you are able to afford someone else. They got a first round pick and they got marc. Look at them now. They are in the semI finals for west.
Jack McCallum > INSIDE THE NBA
Lakers have issues to address
There are almost as many reasons to flash caution flags about the 2008-09 Lakers as there are to start sewing championship banners.
Let's begin with the obvious -- the way they played Tuesday night against the Celtics. Yes, it is extremely tough to win two elimination games in a row, particularly after flying cross-country to play the second in enemy territory. But tough shouldn't add up to mailing it in.
Let's also not forget about the "Zen Master's" finals experience.
He should've out-coached Doc instead of the other way around.
So stop with that weak argument.
wat the hell are you talking about? Teams made trade because they want to, nobody force them to do anything, and did you say the Celtics get Garnett for nothing? They GAVE UP 7 young talented player and some draft pick, for god sake.
@shing31 i agree
@system331 its like what happened to trevor happening all over again, this time to shannon,
Even the commentators can't believe when this DEAL went thru. Kobe is one lucky SOB! Always...always gets a proven ALL-STAR. Of course can't blame Gasol...for the opportunity.
lakers can be championship for this year.
yeah...celtics gave up a lot of players, hence their weakness, their bench.
Who's here from 2022?????
@WeStillHavePie my point exactly..lol
Pau 👍
leaders in cap room eh...
what was the difference between hawks/celtics? hawks never won a game in boston and did not blow out the celtics in any of their wins. houston repeatedly blew out the lakers and if they were @ full strength they would have won the series and you know it.
@procy10 wont be if Marc improves
Did YOU hear critics talking about the laker's loosing because of experience? I didn't.
I did remember them talking about Phil's inability to adjust to doc's small lineup in game 4.
I remember critics talking about their inability to play any sort of defence in crucial situations. (See Sasha's TERRIBLE defence against Ray Allen)
What happened in 2010? 😂 lakers baby!
@sportygu123 they didnt get Randolph from the lakers.
Memphis did get Marc Gasol from the Lakers in this trade