@@donhaddix3770 Matthew 18:17 "And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican." You have to subject yourself to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. If you will not listen to the Church, you will be like any heathen.
Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RUclips video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.
Trent should be schooled himself about how hard the catholic church tried to get Martin Luther killed. Or about all the attrocities the catholic church has done through the middle age
If that were true, you would still be Protestant. The faith is catholic/universal, but not Catholicism. That is the fullness of deception, false teaching as warned in scripture.
@@joycegreer9391 Protestant Christianity didn’t even exist until the 1500s and neither did any of its doctrines. Martin Luther was a failed monk who married a nun and wrote a book called the Jews and their lies. Faith alone is nowhere in scripture neither is sola scriptura.
“Mary wouldn’t need a savior if she wasn’t a sinner.” There is the medieval illustration (can someone remind me of the origins?): there are two ways to save a man from a pit. The first is to pull him out after he has fallen in. The second is to prevent him from falling in. Both require a savior.
yeah by that logic, it's impossible to save someone from dying in general, since you can't retroactively save someone from dying. impossible to prevent disease, as it can only be treated after the fact. just completely ignores the possibility of preventing an eventuality. it's amazing how such a simple logical error comes across to so many modern people as some kind of zinger that supports protestant heresy. if ever you needed proof that people are getting dumber with human "progress," not smarter, put this one in the box
Our Lady of Fatima literally talked about people sowing hatred for her in children. I’m recovering from that thank you Trent for your charitable rebuttals.
Uhmm, I wonder if it's possibly more to do with this subject? ruclips.net/video/4J--FxFcdVg/видео.html This has happened in so many countries for so many years, maybe it is time for children to learn to be scared of all Roman Catholic clergy? btw. I am from a large R.C. family, but was 'born again' 40 years ago. I have read and studied R.C. on and off over the years and I am 100% convinced R.Catholicism is a fake, devil inspired, man made counterfeit Christianity, designed to fool the World. I can count on one hand how many Catholics I've met who say they read the Bible. But I've never met one who could even name the books of the Bible, let alone understand them. The next time you meet someone new who says he is roman Catholic, ask them to name the books of the Bible and see the look you get. (Jesus said, Marvel not that i said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again." John 3:7) Peter writing to those who had been born again, said; "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." 1peter 1:23. Then in chapter 2 verse 2 he says, "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the Word." There are more verses about being born of God. This is a real, Spiritual truth. If Jesus said it's a must, and Peter affirmed it, then that would be enough for me; So for all R.Catholics reading this comment, I would ask you to ask yourself,..Am I born again by the Spirit of God? I know you are told you were born again when you were sprinkled as a baby, but that's a damnable lie. (Excuse my bluntness, but it's your eternal life and death that's on the line here.) Anyway at least just give a think about it.
@@parrisroy dear sir, we 💒💜have Confirmation, Confession and Eucharisty as Religious obligations to keep us saved and constantly re-born in Our 🙏 Sacred 💖 Faith in Jesus Christ ✝️☦️ as our Holy Blessed Beautiful 💜🙏💙💐 Saviour. No everybody saying they are Catholic or even Christians really are as it happens with Protestants, Anglicans, Evangelist, etc. Sorry to say 🙏. So You All are Wellcomed back.🙏💒💚🕊️
Lady of Fatima is highly likely a myth. Children tell tall-tales all the time, and the Portuguese kids were no doubt spreading porky pies just to look impressive What is amusing is how many adults actually fell for their rouse
@@mariadelpilarbenitez8063 On the contrary, my opinion is well informed. But yours isn't. And not only that, but you are doing what religious bigots do best: trying to control others and suppress free speech. Is it because you know deep down that your belief system is completely bogus?
My boyfriend is in denial that he’ll ever convert to Catholicism but he’s giving me obvious signs that he’s slowly converting lol, like going to mass and telling me “I want to try out this confession thing”, and then him telling me he got behind the idea of the Eucharist after reading John 6
Yeah. I grew up in a Pentacostal family that believed that Catholics weren't even Christians. I outgrew that idea when I was a teenager but still heavily looked down upon Catholicism. And even when I started becoming more devout about 2 years ago I still thought this about Catholicism. But about a month ago I came to embrace Catholicism and wholly reject Protestantism. I'm still trying to figure out if I should be Roman Catholic or Orthodox Catholic but I know I'm definitely going to be one of those two. If you're still in that relationship and he still hasn't embraced Catholicism try talking to him about Apostolic Succession. That was what really convinced me to embrace Catholicism and then after that it was like the veil was lifted and I realized how absolutely silly Protestantism actually is. Best of luck to you!
@IsaiahINRI I reject your statement of protestantism being silly. If anything, I believe the Catholic Church is one of the most legally corrupt churches on the planet. What with all the cases of abuse of children. Why would anyone want to be Catholic in the face of such wrongs beyond me. Let not forget their open support for Hitler and the Holocaust aswell. I am sorry, but a Catholic priest would be the last person I confess sins to. I also would not trust them with children.
I clearly remember one of the moments that set in motion my rejection of Evangelicalism. When I first heard about the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, I thought "who'd believe this absurd Catholic nonsense?" John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, Thomas Cranmer and John Wesley, it turned out.
Mother of God😂😂😂😂. Mother of Jesus Christ I agree. If you insist on calling Mary Mother of God, please send me the verse that supports your statement. If you cannot, do you agree that this is false teaching coherently devised by the Catholic Church to mislead believers?
@@baldwinthefourth4098 I asked you for a verse where the Bible says She is the Mother of God. I am still waiting............ I don't want to know what or how you think. I want Bible verses to support your absurd theology. Mother of God suggests Mary (Spirit) was there before creation (Absurd_no biblical reference that she was alive when God created the earth) your own Catholic theologians are still arguing if she is the head of the Trinity😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭. Mother of Christ suggests she (human) was highly favored by God & chosen to bear the Son of God. Scriptures please🙏🙏🙏
@@tknciliba4743 You are coming from a false presupposition that everything that is true needs to be written in the Bible. That is false. The Bible nowhere claims that, in fact st. John at the end of his Gospel explicitely denies it and st. Paul in his letters ordered us to hold to the Oral Traditions that were passed down. Also, yes, the Theotokos was favored among women whether you like it or not. St. Gabriel said as much when he appeared to her.
I find it interesting that Greg quotes the Bible despite the fact that the Canon of Scriptures was settled by the Catholic Church AFTER Constantine supposedly introduced pagan customs into the Church.
@YAJUN YUAN The first Council that accepted the present Catholic canon (the Canon of Trent of 1546) may have been the Synod of Hippo Regius, held in North Africa in 393. A brief summary of the acts was read at and accepted by the Council of Carthage (397) and also the Council of Carthage (419). The more you prots gaslight, the more Catholics you create
Last time an argument against the perpetual virginity of Mary from a schismatic. St. Jerome describes "I cannot talk of the beasts of the earth without ever comparing him to them!" -St. Jerome, the OG Gangster.
I like this kind of videos, not because of protestant arguments being rebutted, but for the depth of the Holy Catholic Doctrine being displayed through Trent's knowledge. thank you, Trent :)
Only by faith in Jesus can you achieve salvation, but faith without deeds is dead. If you truly are a follower of Christ, then it should be natural for you, that you want to strive after being able to actually follow the ten commandments, out of a willing heart. Speaking about the ten commandments, the fourth commandment tells us to keep the day of rest holy. The day of rest is Saturday, or sabbath, as the day is named in the Bible. Not Sunday, contrary to what most Christians believe. The sabbath is also named the seventh day of the week. In six days, God worked and created heaven and earth and everything between,and on the seventh day (Saturday) God rested from his work. It was the seventh day (Saturday) that God blessed, and it was the seventh day (Saturday) that God sanctified. The day of rest (sabbath, seventh day, Saturday) is meant for holy use, for the church to gather. It's meant for us, so that we may find rest, healing and peace in God. And now I'm asking you to either use the Bible to tell me that I'm wrong, or you should say nothing against this at all. Because if you speak against what I just said, you are speaking against the word of God himself
@@peppernbo Trent is about as straightforward, logical and concise explaining the truth as one can get; any convoluted thinking is on the Protestant side.
For example, there are no biblical or extra biblical accounts of Jeesus written coterminous to his alleged time on earth. (Pauline epistles and gospels agreed even by bible scholars to be later in time) This strongly suggests that it was a made-up story, a complete pile of man-made doo-doo
@@zengfukushang532 Yeah so? We don't have contemporary accounts of most things in the ancient world. Not sure why you find the gospels extraordinary respect. Also what bearing does whether or not the gospels are part of the bible have to do with their reliability as historical accounts? The bible wasnt officially codified until the 380s, 300 years after the gospels were written.
I wish Trent would have pointed out the Annunciation. Mary was shocked that the angel Gabriel told her she would have a son. Mary was already betrothed to Joseph. Her reply, "but I don't know man" when questioning the angel how this would happen is ridiculous if she had planned to "know" Joseph, but not if she had no intention to know him!!!
Good point, and maybe a good tool for a later discussion. I’ve looked into some research about that phrasing and Jewish marriage customs, and to me it’s further proof Mary remained ever virgin and had no plans on having children of her own. Ties also with Joseph’s character which males me appreciate the couple all the more 🥰 God sure wanted the best people for Jesus.
@YAJUN YUAN There were men who did make Nazirite vows for either a term or forever, including a lot of Essenes. It was unusual for either a man or woman to do so, but not unheard of. There was a famous Jewish queen who came to Jerusalem to live in perpetual fasting and abstinence, while giving lots of alms. Josephus, a contemporary, writes about this Queen Helena of Adiabene (today's Erbil, Iraq). She made a Nazirite vow of seven years, and then kept renewing it to the length of 21 years, which ended up being until her death.
Any chance you can respond to one of the countless attacks on St. Mother Teresa on RUclips? She seems to be the most unpopular Catholic figure among atheist millennials. I never bother clicking on the videos because I know the comments are always going to be full of wicked insults.
There’s a post on r/badhistory called “‘Saint Mother Teresa was documented mass murderer’ and other bad history on Mother Teresa” that does a good job dealing with criticism about her. Nevertheless, some videos in her defense would be beneficial.
@@duckymomo7935 how do you know he didn’t? People frequently repent on their death beds - I’ve seen it countless times as a nurse. So unless you were there with him as he died you have absolutely no right to say whether he repeated or not before he died because you do not see the persons heart - especially in death! When I worked in emergency medicine I was always prepared to say the act of contrition into any Catholics ear should they likely die/have time of death called before we could get a Priest there in time. The reason why? Because it is believed that even in the unconscious body the soul can do a perfect act of contrition if it truly wants to. So by saying the act of contrition to the patient I can help their soul make that final repentance as they die. You nor I can ever claim if someone has or hasn’t made a final act of repentance before they die
The Catholic idea that SDA are Protestants is lunacy: they started at the same time as Mormons in the prophetic movement in the US , not in Europe from the Reformation. BTW Mormons are Protestants either!
The Catholic Church also holds that the Sabbath day is still Saturday. It simply teaches that the Lord’s Day(Sunday) satisfies the sabbath keeping command. It can do this because the minute Christ rose from the dead, it means that there is a “new creation” and this new creation is not dependent on a 7-day weekly cycle but rather has only 1 day which exists in perpetuity. This never-ending 8th day is what’s being talked about in Revelation 22:5. It’s also why God told them to circumcise males on the 8th day after birth. This never-ending day began on Sunday. So in one sense it is the first day of the week but in another sense it is the ONLY day of the week.
@YAJUN YUAN But wait, whether you are protestant in fact doesnt depend on whether you consider yourself protestant. Church of Christ are baptists+baptismal regeneration but they consider themselves not protestant depending on who you ask.
@YAJUN YUAN Ah, no. You see God is eternal…so there is no expectation of the New Day for Him. It exists before Him as an eternal present. It is simply the carnal man that does not perceive this is the truth. That’s why Paul wrote: (Galatians 6:14) “But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is ⭐️crucified unto me⭐️, and I unto the world.” Therefore this eternal day already exists. Moving on, while it may be the case that the 8th day is when clotting factors kick in, this in and of itself does not constitute an either/or conclusion. It could be that the clotting factor kicks in on that day by God’s design because He always foreknew that this 8th day would be a vital symbol of the never-ending day of Revelation 22. Which of course, it is. That is the interpretation of the Church-which is infallible. In fact, it’s quite interesting that you drew no connection whatsoever to the spiritual significance of the number 8-as the Creation week only has 7 days…thinking that this number 8 has ONLY to do with clotting factor. You dismiss the possibility that maybe-just maybe-God had another thing He was foreshadowing with this number. It’s one of those carnal minded reflexes: (Matthew 16:8) “Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? So again, stop dismissing Catholic teaching because you are a carnally minded person. Accept it because it is true. You wrote: “The entire Decalogue including the still remain until that time…” Ah, no. Again, the 10-commandments are eternal. They never disappear. They can, however, transform. You wrote: “The Catholic Church admits it doesn’t have the power to change divine moral laws.” The moral law hasn’t been changed by the Catholic Church. Only the ceremonial aspect of the law has been changed. The Catholic Church changed the ceremonial keeping of the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday because this is the condition as it exists in the “never-ending day” of Revelation 22. No one keeps the Saturday Sabbath in the New Heavens and the New Earth-even so, the MORAL aspect underpinning the sabbath is always being observed because the Lord is being worshipped by those who dwell in that eternal day, 24/7. So yes, the Saturday physical sabbath was always ceremonial. It has to be, since Saturday itself is attached to a physical creation which Paul explained, has already been crucified. Please review Galatians 6:14. It is precisely because you did not understand this passage that you are objectively wrong about what it is you are saying.
Historic Adventist believed that Jesus could have sinned when he was tempted in the wilderness. Their logic is since he was tempted the devil knew he has the ability to sin. All of the goes back to when your Christology messed up.
LoL, its funny how this SDA people made this absurd claims about the catholic church as if we are still in the 80's when no one could check the alleged contradiction in a simple google search and find all kind of answers, biblical, historial, patristic etc...
@YAJUN YUAN good ? I took catechism classes in the 60's. Prior to that I believe the Baltimore catechsim or breviary was already published. So as time went on, beliefs had to be explained further wen other situations, that never came up b4 or questioned or needed further clarification which arose in our modern times. So in ur eyes, just bc the current catechism was published only recently, nothing else b4 was true? Wat about the encyclopedia/wikipedia - does the data always stay the same and can explain everything under the sun at all times?
@YAJUN YUAN thanks! No wonder I was lost for 35+yrs. And wat a mystery of the good Lord Jesus that the Catholic church after centuries of condemnation, hatred, persecution, being infiltrated by evil, etc. remains standing after all this time, the gates of the netherworld will not prevail. So sad the world of protestanism continues to fracture into hundreds/thousands of pieces after only 500yrs of existence.
@YAJUN YUAN I see. Wat about all those other independent churches, non-denominational churches are they not fractures? why continue to break away from the mainline? Why should those not stay and renew their denomination church? Where's the unity in that? Who gives the authority to say which church has true doctrines? Man-made doctrines being voted on, or God-given and to be protected and proclaimed HUMBLY by mere men?
Only by faith in Jesus can you achieve salvation, but faith without deeds is dead. If you truly are a follower of Christ, then it should be natural for you, that you want to strive after being able to actually follow the ten commandments, out of a willing heart. Speaking about the ten commandments, the fourth commandment tells us to keep the day of rest holy. The day of rest is Saturday, or sabbath, as the day is named in the Bible. Not Sunday, contrary to what most Christians believe. The sabbath is also named the seventh day of the week. In six days, God worked and created heaven and earth and everything between,and on the seventh day (Saturday) God rested from his work. It was the seventh day (Saturday) that God blessed, and it was the seventh day (Saturday) that God sanctified. The day of rest (sabbath, seventh day, Saturday) is meant for holy use, for the church to gather. It's meant for us, so that we may find rest, healing and peace in God. And now I'm asking you to either use the Bible to tell me that I'm wrong, or you should say nothing against this at all. Because if you speak against what I just said, you are speaking against the word of God himself
What I don’t get about some Protestants rejecting the Mother of God dogma is that, given the historical context when this was defined, it was used as an argument for the divinity of Jesus when there existed heresies that rejected such. If Mary is mother of God, then it follows that her son is God.
Historical context outside of scripture is what some Protestants choose to ignore since it usually goes against their own interpretations. Apparently, everything must be clearly stated in scripture and if it’s not then it’s 1) up to their and only their own interpretation or 2) is discarded as ‘false/uninspired’ if it leans towards Catholic teaching.
You might be interested in watching this video, about the history of Catholic Church and Mary’s conception. ruclips.net/video/vew25J6wXTY/видео.html&feature=share
I find it very sad that even Muslims show more love and respect for Mary than a lot of Protestants. I seriously cannot see how a loving God that created mothers and fathers and commands us children to honor them would pretty much just use his mother Mary for her womb and nothing else.
It’s so funny that he mentions his opinion that the resurrected who came after Christ are in heaven but it doesn’t say that in scripture, using logic and historical/biblical precedents to make a claim which is what the Catholic Church does
I got deceived by these 7th day adventists for a while after stumbling upon a bunch of videos during a time I wasnt too knowing about my faith. Them just referring to themselves as Christians and all of the scripturebending got to me. Thank God I got stronger in my faith and condemned these 7th day heresies, once I actually studied what my church teaches (I am Orthodox). I even was worried about my baptism crucifix as they lable those as being idolatry and was hesitant to kiss our icons. I will hold a special grudge towards these 7th day heretics for even putting these thought in my mind.
What can be meant for evil, God can use for good. It sounds like this stumble caused you to have a deeper understanding and faith in the long run. Love your enemies and pray for them that they might be led away from heresy.
Being orthodox is still not great, friend. Really examine why you are orthodox vs catholic. Why do you believe the Holy Ghost only comes from God the Father, and not from both Him and God the Son? Thats a pretty strange place to split hairs. The Holy Ghost has often been described to me as the Love shared between The Father and The Son. What is difficult to believe about Jesus giving the keys to Peter? He clearly establishes the papacy. Give it a think, my friend. Orthodox is almost there, but youre still off from The True Church.
@@nardoritardeau2291 Funny you brought up the Filioque issue because its proven the Filioque was added afterwards. I respect the Catholic church and of course the Bishop of Rome is valid as he can trace back via Apostolic Succession and I hope the schism heals some day, but when I read about the Early Church I see the Orthodox church. I disagree with the emphasize on the Pope also.
@@Kostas_Dikefalaios I have to agree with you although I do appreciate there are far more learned people than myself on both sides. The Orthodox hierarchy clearly resembles the historical church. The Papacy is very arguable and more than enough early statements cast doubt on it, and if one does believe it, I would ask where are the equals the pope was first amongst? Re the filioque, Jesus used the word proceed from the Father and He only sent the Spirit within time. It's not the biggest deal but it does alter Trinitarian doctrine in a way that makes it less neat, but that aside, why not stick with the language Jesus used, which is the only phrase approved by a council. Filioque was clearly added afterward for a specific reason (to emphasise the divinity of Jesus to heretics) and that reason was redundant in any case. All that said, I do think Catholics are saved and led by the Spirit but I think to heal the schism they need to reign in these things a bit. It's no coincidence that the same pride and focus on over-explaining mysteries based on uncurbed human authority and understanding resulted in protesrant reformation and a schism cascade. All my perspective of course. I can only pray to God that we trust Him more than ourselves and put faith, hope and love ahead of more limited faculties including reason (not that we should be knowingly unreasonable but maybe this argumemt has nothing to do with God's ways? I don't know.).
Catholic to Orthodox, despite the disagreements, you have my love for your Church. You have an apostolic church, your liturgy and emphasis on constant repentance is beautiful, your bishops have true succession and Christ is truly present in the Eucharist you celebrate. I just want to tell you though not to bear a grudge against these SDA people. As you had once been mislead away from the Eucharistic Lord, they too are mislead themselves. I suggest you empathize with them and slowly bringing them back to the Real Presence of our Savior and introduce them to the theotokos.
One could argue that the Immaculate Conception of Mary wasn't required but was "fitting," although Sam Shamoun made a great logical case for why Christ had to sacrifice Himself for our sins in order to be both fully just and fully merciful. It's not that God couldn't simply give a decree if He wanted to, but that in doing so He would have been fully merciful but *not* fully just, and the argument is that God is both fully merciful and fully just, and that it's impossible for Him to be "too merciful" or "too just."
44:26 Okay, Greg, let me ask you something. Is the woman who gave birth to you also the prime source of your immortal soul? No? How, then, can she possibly be your mother, if we use your logic consistently?
@@DeoGratiasDez yeah they are annihilationists, true. But still, even in their belief the mother is not the source of the soul nevertheless (ultimately, flesh yields flesh, but souls don't, and is sourced only from God), so I think this argument still holds.
Did the Logos of John 1:1 and 1:18 exist before becoming Jesus the Christ? In what sense is Mary the mother of the Logos? The Logos is the visible YHWH of the O.T. ln what sense is Mary the mother of YHWH( Elohim)(God).
Souls are a man-made contraption, invented by the ancient Hindus (Atman) and imported into other religions, such as the Pharonic cults, and eventually into Christianity. Its surprising that practically all the concepts we see in Christianity, we can observe in more ancient, older religions and belief systems. This suggests the NT made use of pre-existing concepts and modified them for its own agendas
@@TorchVX give him some credit. his first point on the brethren of Jesus is valid, but not really defined to say that it is the historical truth. The other ones tho he he he . 1/10
@@chicken-911 He gave one valid position on the subject, but never actually made an argument that disproved anything Catholics believe about Mary, so 0/10 lol
Re: Immaculate Conception. These people seem to not realize that Jesus's conception would have immediately purified her had she not been born immaculate. There is no way that a person can literally have God inside them in such a unique real physical way and deliberately choose to sin in life.
Just wanted to add that recent research has show that the fetal cells of the baby cross over to the mother and remain in her body for decades. These cells have been shown to protect the mother from disease long after the birth of the child. Every cell of Jesus is divine and those cells would have remained in her protecting her throughout her life. Can you even imagine? God Bless
@@Matt-1926As a nurse, I gotta seriously look this up. But to think that The Virgin Mary literally mixed cells with Our Lord and Savior! It's blowing my mind away...the very idea of it. ... It's called 'microchimerism'. I can barely type right now. Gotta keep reading about this! Whoa...
@@swoosh1mil It does mix. The baby receives oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood via the placenta. That blood travels through to the baby. Then the waste products come back to the mother's circulatory system.
I'm Catholic now, but even when I was a Baptist it always bothered me immensely that so many Protestants treated Mary, who was chosen by God before time began to bring the Saviour into the world, as though she was merely a surrogate or an incubator. It just felt so icky and wrong to me; Jesus warned that those who hate Him will hate His servants too, so it's no surprise that so many anti-Trinitarians who reject Jesus's full divinity go after His mother, who was the first proto-Christian.
Greg: "the woman in Revelation can't be Mary because of that period of time in the Wilderness... This clearly refers to the Waldensians." Me: "So you're saying the Waldensians suffered to bring Christ into the world. Got it!" Note: it amazes me that Protestants have such trouble understanding the motherhood of Mary, yet have no problem identifying as children of Abraham.
I find it more funny how the main characters in Revelation are the child, the woman, the angel, and the dragon. Obvious is child= Jesus, angel= St. Michael normally by name, and dragon= Satan. But hang on, suddenly “the women” is a metaphor that doesn’t represent any one thing/being 🙄 I do understand the nature of Revelation being ambiguous in some regards, but if 3 out of 4 beings are specifically drawn for a metaphor then one has to logically put the 4th in context as well.
@@davidjanbaz7728 the Church (which Christ founded) is a continuation of Israel. And yes, the woman of Revelation is all three: Israel, the Church, and Mary.
At 22:00 they simplify sin. Not everyone gets a thrill from stealing. I once knew a lady that confessed that she got a thrill from stealing candy bars as a child . I was shocked, I had never met a kleptomaniac before. But then there could be people that steal to help others, like valjean in les miserable, helping out his starving niece . Or you could be forced to sin, perhaps by people more powerful than you. Fortunately I haven't been guilty of this sin, but its not a one aize fits all situation.
Completed number 3 this past weekend! Do you do yours with a parish or online? I do my First Friday/ Saturdays with the Marian Fathers of the Immaculate Conception and have grown to love them. Wish my area had such devotions 🥲
@@jendoe9436 I do mine in a church near my house. A Marian church called: Madre de Dios, in Chile. I'm m so Happy I'm able to do It, And I tell everyone I can about it. My first Saturday coincided with a Street Rosary And Marian procesión, this last saturday, coincided with a old married couple renewing their wedding bows(that's how it's called in my country). So my experience has been so heartwarming And humbling. Have a nice day.
@YAJUN YUAN yet you jst said everyone must follow the dictates of their conscience. Scripture isn't your standard, your personal interpretation is. Even the Scriptures themselves say how reading them without the proper background knowledge and explanations would lead people to twist its meaning and lead to their destruction. You seem to think there was no transmission of information beyond the written word, that living people did not receive knowledge directly from the Apostles and passed it on. This knowledge, known as Holy Tradition, informs the Scriptures. Without it, the Bible simply becomes a source of confusion and misunderstanding as you see today with protestantism and its other offshoots.
@YAJUN YUAN Scripture itself tells us there is knowledge that got transmitted that wasn't written down. You think in a time before mass literacy the only thing that would have been relied on is the written word? That's just not realistic or an accurate understanding of history. Almost all knowledge we have from before the last few hundred years was passed orally and written down later. The same applies to Scripture itself. People memorized and passed it on orally for the most part. You are projecting the modern ubiquity of the written word and mass literacy onto the past.
There is another small point Trent left out related to the Queenship of Mary. This is a point I’ve heard made in other talks related to Mary’s various titles. In OT times, kings commonly had multiple wives. This included Hebrew kings. Imagine trying to choose one to be the queen. At the very least, it would spark intense rivalry and intrigue. In fact, in kingdoms where one of the many wives was queen, this was always the case, creating a situation where one or more jealous wives were tempted to murder others who were in more favored positions. The not so surprising and very wise solution to the problem used by Hebrews was for the king’s mother to be the queen. Not the “Queen Mother” which is a very different title with a different role and responsibilities, but Queen. Related to this, it should also be noted that BOTH Mary and Joseph were not only direct descendants of King David, but also the closest living heirs to the kingship of David. Jesus was King of the Jews by both divine right and human inheritance. As the mother of Jesus, who is both God and man, Mary is his Queen by both divine right and human inheritance. I should add that few Christians dispute the fact that Jesus gave His all holding nothing back. It makes sense that this included His own perfect mother. It also makes sense that Mary, as the New Eve, was given the same advantage as the original Eve…which is a fresh start. The sanctification of Jesus was applied to her at conception so that she could be born without the stain of original sin. Like the first Eve, God allowed her to be tested by Satan. I’m certain she was tempted not just once, but many times throughout her life. Unlike the first Eve, Mary’s obedience to God was perfect. There was never a time when she fell prey to Satan’s temptation. Had this not been the case, she would not have been a suitable living Ark of the New Covenant carrying and caring for the living Son of God who is Jesus.
1 Kings 2: 17 So he continued, “Please ask King Solomon-he will not refuse you-to give me Abishag the Shunammite as my wife.” 18 “Very well,” Bathsheba replied, “I will speak to the king for you.” 19 When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand. 20 “I have one small request to make of you,” she said. “Do not refuse me.” The king replied, “Make it, my mother; I will not refuse you.”
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Only by faith in Jesus can you achieve salvation, but faith without deeds is dead. If you truly are a follower of Christ, then it should be natural for you, that you want to strive after being able to actually follow the ten commandments, out of a willing heart. Speaking about the ten commandments, the fourth commandment tells us to keep the day of rest holy. The day of rest is Saturday, or sabbath, as the day is named in the Bible. Not Sunday, contrary to what most Christians believe. The sabbath is also named the seventh day of the week. In six days, God worked and created heaven and earth and everything between,and on the seventh day (Saturday) God rested from his work. It was the seventh day (Saturday) that God blessed, and it was the seventh day (Saturday) that God sanctified. The day of rest (sabbath, seventh day, Saturday) is meant for holy use, for the church to gather. It's meant for us, so that we may find rest, healing and peace in God. And now I'm asking you to either use the Bible to tell me that I'm wrong, or you should say nothing against this at all. Because if you speak against what I just said, you are speaking against the word of God himself
@@Kennyov93 The Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ. Christians have been worshiping on Sunday since his resurrection. Moreover, as Catholics we can worship every single day of the week. Can you say the same about your SDA church?
When the 7DAdventist went on about Revelations, all I could think of was the "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" conspiracy meme, pretty nutty for sure.
@33:00 These low-IQ arguments drive me nuts. The Bible doesn't specify Mary's death or assumption because she and the Apostles are still alive and growing the Church at the end of the Bible narrative. The same goes for the martyrdom of Sts. Peter and Paul. The Bible is not an exhaustive historical account of the early Church.
One of the things I never really thought all the way through as a Protestant: Catholics ❤ relics. Protestants find this weird. I used to think the whole relic thing was a Pagan corruption. But! Catholics also ❤ Mary...and there are *zero* relics of Mary. Even if one (maybe *especially*) thinks that most relics are fakes, and that there are "enough fragments of the True Cross to build a fleet of ships" - it is very telling that no one even attempts to create fake Marian relics. It suggests that no Catholic would believe anyone had the bones of Mary.
@@cactoidjim1477 Yep one of the best arguments for the Assumption of Mary. And as you put it, there would be a HUGE financial incentive for a village or church to fake Marian relics to attract pilgrims, especially in the early Church or middle ages. Yet, no one ever tried it because no faithful Catholic would ever fall for that scam. That's a really great point that I had not considered until now! Thanks for that brother!
Most compelling argument I see for Mary remaining a virgin is that when Jesus died, he gave over the care of his mother to his disciple John. Why would John be in-trusted with the care of Mary if she had other children?
As far as soul sleep, what about the story of Lazarus and the rich man where the rich man goes to hell but wants to warn his friends/family to not make the same mistakes? If soul sleep was a reality, why would he go to hell?
Yep. And also what about Rachel? In Jeremiah is says that Rachel was weeping for her children in Israel and refused to be comforted, because Israel fell back into sin. But Rachel had already been physically dead for hundreds of years, and after this verse it says that God comforted Rachel by promising her He would redeem Israel. Then you have the author of Hebrews telling us that we're surrounded by a "cloud of witnesses," Paul saying that the saints are in "communion," and John saying in Revelation that the prayers of the saints are brought to the Lamb and that they smell like sweet incense to Him.
@YAJUN YUAN Greg commented directly on this video and Trent told him if he wanted to have a debate or a dialogue but Greg refused saying that Trent doesn't accept sola scriptura or something ( You can also see Trent talking about this in his RUclips posts) Later I saw on Greg's video that someone asked him why he doesn't debate and he replied saying that debates are not for everyone or something. I answered him why not a dialogue and he then said that his channel is not a channel to dialogue with Catholics or something and he added that he already know what Catholics believe
Mother Mary pray to God that He may enlighten, the minds of those who gladly have accepted your Son, but are unable to see your contribution in their salvation too, to atleast treat you with respect🙏
I humbly and respectfully advise you to pray to god directly in respect to his holiness 🙏 When jesus gave an example of prayer he did not go through a mediator..
@@sharongeorge6311 you're sweet Sharon, thank you and I do pray to God first, I wouldn't give that place for nobody else and no Catholic does, my prayers always start with Our Father🙏 praying to Mother Mary would be the same as me asking my mum to pray for me too :)
@@lullabiesofthedusk I respect your opinion. the difference is that your mother is alive but as trent said Mary MIGHT be in heaven next to god but we don't have any proof about that so why take the risk when we can talk to god directly 😊🙏..just sharing my point of vue have a blessed day 😊
I like Tim Staples' explanation of Mary being the Theotokos: Was Jesus God when he was 2 years old? Was Jesus God when he was 6 months old? Was Jesus God when he was 6 months old in the womb? Was Jesus God when he was exiting the womb?
It's Amazing that this has always been the Catholic church teachings, which the protestants always rejected and now it looks like they are getting information for the C.C but making it seem its their own.
For those who believe in soul sleep, I have a question. What did Jesus mean when he said “TODAY you will be with me in paradise.” To the robber being crucified with him
1 day = 1 year ... Constantine things happened ...Waldensians. Best part is that this is allegedly the result of a natural reading of scripture. Can anyone count on their hands the number of people that would make this conclusion independently on their own?
@@takmaps I guess your right. Having a rebuttal to some of these low hanging fruit arguments can help in the long run. By the way, it's good to see you.
And a grave insult to the whole family. It’s the older sibling telling others “I trust a stranger to better care for my mother over my siblings.” A great insult for that time period.
@YAJUN YUAN That would be even worse. You would be calling either Mary or Joseph infertile, or accusing them of intentionally frustrating the primary purpose of the marriage act.
@YAJUN YUAN 'It' may absolutely not have been anything other than completely non-existent, because Mary's Virginity is perpetual, as it was defined by the Church founded by her divine Son. If you don't believe that, you are not a Catholic, which means you are not a Christian, and you probably reject much more than just this dogma. The marriage between the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Joseph was not like any other marriage. Infertility is an imperfection, and Mary is perfect. And to assume that they 'must' have had marital relations like everybody else, you must explicitly contradict the Church, and refuse to consider that she is not like any other woman in history. This is the Queen of Angels you are talking about. The actual Mother of God. The Virgin of Virgins.
@YAJUN YUAN so the belief of Mary's perpetual virginity that has been believed my the ancient church, both catholic and orthodox, for the past 2000 years is wrong, but the novel belief that she wasn't a Virgin taught by some western European in the 18th century is right? Really? Funny reply of Mary when told she will be with child, " for how can this be, for I know not man" would be rather peculiar as she was already betrothed to Joseph. Mary IS the type of the Ark of the Covenant, much greater than the Ark too. What was in the Ark- Manna(bread from heaven) staff of Aaron(sign of the eternal priest) and the 10 commandments(word of God), Mary held what was greater- the ACTUAL word of God made flesh- The True eternal priest- and the ACTUAL bread of life. The Ark was so holy that if anyone touched it they died. You really think that Mary, who was overshadowed by the shekina cloud, and the only person to touch perfection and not die, would be able to be touched in that way? The blessed Virgin isn't God's baby's mama, she is the Theotokos- the God bearer. Greater than any prophet, greater than any angel, greater than any human to ever exist(who isn't God) Mary's womb is sacred, not because of her but because of what was inside of it- God incarnate. It is a tabernacle of the Most High. NO ORTHODOX Christian had ever believed she wasn't a perpetual Virgin, even the Muslims believe that😆
The whole rebuttal to these "facts" can be summed up in the question, "What is your magisterial authority regarding any of this?" It seems that these arguments not only go counter to Catholic doctrine but also against many other varied and competing Protestant claims to equivalent magisterial authority about these "facts".
got to love the poor Adventist uses a Catholic Shop site to argue his points. Go to the source and maybe you will learn how these doctrines arise. The Catechism.
@YAJUN YUAN it was not first published in 1992. If that were true than how would you explain other Catechism books such as the Baltimore catechism which was around in the 1960’s
@YAJUN YUAN What about the Catechism of the Council of Trent? It was a world wide catechism dating back to the Mid 1500’s which the church very firmly expected all diocese around the world to teach. Some Catholics are poorly catechized which isn’t their fault, but I have never heard any Catholic teach their own principles and pass it off as Church teachings.
@YAJUN YUAN As for the change after Vatican II like all things in this world including Protestant churches the smoke of Satan has entered it. There is a false church eclipsing there true church as Mary predicted two hundred years ago.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:57 📜 Mary's perpetual virginity is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Claims that Mary did not remain a virgin after giving birth to Jesus, based on Matthew 1:24-25, do not disprove this doctrine, as the use of "until" does not imply a change in condition. 04:52 🏠 Jesus is said to have brothers and sisters in the Bible, but these were likely step-siblings from Joseph's previous marriage or close relatives. The term "brother" was used more broadly in the Jewish context. 09:17 💧 The Immaculate Conception doctrine states that Mary was sinless, free from original sin, and lived a sinless life. This belief is to ensure that Jesus, her son, would not inherit sin and guilt. 14:36 🙏 The Bible verses, like Luke 1:47,do not necessarily prove that Mary sinned. Her proclamation of God as her Savior can be understood in various ways, including salvation from temporal threats. 17:04 🌿 While Jesus had a fully human nature, he did not have a sinful nature. He was born with a nature like that of the sinful human race but did not have the inclination to sin. 21:16 💪 Jesus was tempted by the devil and experienced physical effects but did not sin because he is a divine person. The devil's temptation was likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding Jesus's divinity. 23:53 🤨 The devil isn't the opposite of God and didn't fully understand Jesus's true identity. 24:06 📖 The Roman Catholic doctrine of the assumption of Mary isn't directly from scripture but from apostolic tradition. 25:31 ⚰️ The Bible doesn't teach that people go straight to heaven or hell upon death; they await judgment. 27:31 📜 The Bible suggests a particular judgment after death, and some souls are conscious in heaven. 34:49 🔮 Praying to Mary isn't considered spiritism, as she's not a spirit or medium but a saint who can intercede for believers. 37:20 👻 Some alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary are believed to be demonic deceptions. 44:16 🌟 The title "Mother of God" (Theotokos) attributed to Mary emphasizes that she gave birth to the God-Man, Jesus Christ, who had both divine and human natures. 48:20 🌟 The title of "Queen of Heaven" for Mary dates back to around the 4th century, reflecting a Jewish background, not strictly a pagan one. 52:13 🙏 The Roman Catholic Church's title of "Mediatrix" for Mary implies she is a female mediator for all graces, which contradicts the Bible's assertion that Jesus is the sole mediator. 55:41 🛡️ The claim that "all salvation depends on Mary" is a theological opinion, not official church teaching. It highlights Mary's role in God's plan but doesn't mean salvation comes through her. 59:37 📖 Revelation 12's symbolic woman can represent both Mary and the Church, demonstrating the complexity of interpreting the Bible's symbolism.
As a baptized Adventist undoing the doctrine of soul sleep is the most pivotal. For every other Protestant I assume converting to Catholicism is easier.
If you are referring to the Catholic Answers citation, they do have numerous articles and resources on the faith. He probably just clipped it with that background either unintentionally or trying to discredit the work. If that’s not what you’re referring to, then I have no idea 😅
@@jendoe9436 I’m referring to the Catholic Company website he (the Bible flock box guy) references multiple times. They’re a great site for purchasing Catholic items and books but I wouldn’t use their articles as a scholarly resource. I think he only referenced Catholic answers website once or twice. He could have googled the Catechism of the Catholic Church and had a credible online resource. I’m just surprised, it would be similar to me getting articles from a Protestant gift shop website and using them to define Sola fide or sola scriptura. Those kind of articles aren’t always from scholarly sources sometimes it’s just a copy writer who may or may not understand the subject they’re writing about. It’s simply poor research. 😊
@@sherrypence5627 ah, thanks for the clarification. I normally listen to these videos at work so I don’t always look at the screen. I recognized CA by the address and didn’t know what Catholic Company was. While I will slightly concede that some store websites can have little spots in clarifying terms, history, etc, I do heartily agree more serious citations should be from more academic sources just as a courtesy.
44:20-44:35 He's teaching a gnostic Jesus, the very Jesus taught of Cerinthus which John's gospel refuted. This is mentioned in Book 3, Chapter 11 of Against Heresies by Irenaeus.
With every "fact" this guy states, I start to question if this man is even a Christian. Also who are you going to trust. 2,000 years of apostolic tradition (which predate the scriptures) along with councils and studies by the church fathers or something someone created in 1863?
@@lukebrasting5108 yes. I was aware of Nestorian heresy: Christotokos VS Theotokos, but I didn't know about the other. Time for some research. Thank you for the information. God bless you.
@YAJUN YUAN I was clearly saying that there's no Spanish translation for Theotokos and that Mater Dei, Mother of God, is used instead. Dei Genitrix is also translated as Mother of God in Spanish, Madre de Dios. Theotokos has no translation un Spanish, only Mater Dei
@YAJUN YUAN portadora de Dios is not a term used in Spanish. It's easy un english. La que dio luz a Dios is not used at all. At least not as a noun yo refer to Mary. Not even : Portadora de Dios, as God Bearer, Theotokos. Our use of words for our Blessed Mother is very límited, I'm afraid. That's why people (Who know the term) use It as It is, Theotokos. And then explain the meaning. Have a nice day.
My friend because praying and preaching are 2 different things.. Ellen white is not equal to god as you just said she is just prophet like many others in the bible 😊
Prime example of someone who has never been to an SDA church. We are not preaching about Ellen white . We consider her a prophetess but she even says that peolle she only rely on the Word and the Word only. Have you even read any of her writings or just repeating nonsense ?
Christ clearly teaches that the saints in heaven are not dead. "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." (Mark 12)
@@rhb30001 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." (Matthew 17) Moses and Elias, and all the saints, are not dead. They are conscious and live in heaven with Christ. "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." (Mark 12) Peace be with you.
The word 'dead' means separated. They are 'alive' and present with the Lord, that's true. But they are separated or dead to us, as well as from their body. So not being divine themselves they don't hear every word spoken by every human being on earth. Heaven is a long way away. You have to be God himself to hear another human pray. And as you said, they're in heaven, not on Earth.
@@parrisroy "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." (Luke 16) This separation refers to damnation, not physical death. "and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats" (Matthew 25) Again, this separation refers to damnation. "He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn" (Matthew 9) Death of the body is compared to physical sleep. The soul of a saint is present with the Lord. "Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (John 11) "Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?" (Acts 3) The saints in heaven or on earth do the will of God--- whatever that may be--- by the power of God. "They called out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” (Revelation 6) The saints in heaven are conscious and active. "I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God." (Revelation 22) One may interact with the servants of God, but only God is to be worshiped.
I find it mildly annoying that some of the biblical texts say things like “we must all” and Greg is automatically like “that includes Mary that includes Mary!” Like, when talking about all of humanity do you want the scripture writers to say “we must all* (except Mary)” like, that just doesn’t make sense to me. One exception doesn’t mean you can’t still make general statements
It's a rather strange request.... "I won't argue my point against you concerning the bible and my beliefs unless you pre-confess to already believe something I'm going to debate with you"..... My head hurts...
44:30 Not only Nestorian idea of the Theotokos, but eventually a Nestorian understanding of Jesus death on the cross. Since death in Adventism means souls sleep (which is the human souls ceasing consciousness). You have “Jesus of Nazareth” the human subject ceasing for three days while the divine Jesus is somewhere else. Anathema
While my support and understanding of Mary’s perpetual virginity is from scriptures, history, revelations, etc, I still have an arguably silly reasoning for it. Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant, forming Jesus of the Word in her womb in a place no one save the spirit can enter. The Ark of the Covenant was placed in the Temple and transporting the Ark took specific people to handle and even the high priest could only enter the sanctuary once a year. It’s mentioned explicitly what happened when a nonLevite touched the Ark to steady it: he was struck down on the spot. Joseph was a righteous man, knew his scripture, knew what Mary’s pregnancy meant, received visions from angels whenever he was in doubt, and knew Jesus’s birth was special. Why, after all that, would he even think about knowing Mary that way?! I’ve gotten teasing from friends about this, but I can’t help but think he had that poor nonLevite guy in mind when all of that was taking place. Just saying he was an honorable, righteous, and intelligent man. Pretty sure he would have realized Jesus would be Mary’s one and only child after everything they went through.
Mary's response to angel Gabriel is telling. Why would she be questioning the angel about how it would happen when she was already betrothed to Joseph?
@@tabandken8562 listen to this video to give you an understanding as to why Mary is a virgin after Jesus’ birth. ruclips.net/video/vew25J6wXTY/видео.html&feature=share
Bless you for keeping St. Joseph in mind. This year I've been holding a special devotion to St. Joseph; as The Pope has declared this to be a Year to St. Joseph. St. Joseph is master of the interior life. He never says a word in the Bible, but always quick to take action when told by God's messengers. I humbly thank you for your 'silly' insights into what he may have been thinking.
There also is the belief that St. Joseph already had children from a previous marriage. Maybe his intent was not so much to have more children, but help with raising his existing children. Being a righteous man he would of course given Mary at least one son of her own. But God's providence took care of that. Just me thinking 🤔.
@swoosh1mil while true most couple did marry and conceived children, some marriages were actually a bit different. The man and woman were still husband and wife, but parties actually remained celibate and lived more like brother and sister. Part of this could have been protection for the woman since she couldn’t do much in society, other times it was both parties wanting to devote themselves entirely to God but couldn’t join the religious. I read a theory some time ago that Mary could have actually been a temple virgin, a young woman who was consecrated to God, and she may have taken a personal vow of chastity. Joseph was probably a bit older than her and was arranged to be her husband so Mary could be cared for in life since temple virgins could only be there for so long before they were married off to start families. Her parents arranged the marriage to Joseph with his family, and he himself probably had some virtues of chastity as I’m sure Mary and her parents made it known what she wanted to do. All speculation based off some theories gleamed from what research is out there, but not fully unprecedented and has some roots in history. There have been couples in Church history who married but lived as brother and sister, or where one/both spouse(s) join a religious order with the Church’s blessing. Joseph having other children could also be valid, but even step-children had some duty to take care of their step-elder relatives. Since Jesus gave Mary to John the disciple, we can definitely infer Mary had no children herself unless Jesus meant to insult his younger siblings by entrusting her care to a stranger over her own blood. However, any children Joseph had would have also been in the right and obligated to take her into their home. To not do so would have been viewed as disrespectful to Mary and the entire family. Once again, we can gleam Joseph may have not other children, if he did then they must be gone since they’re not mentioned explicitly, or Jesus was once again insulting his older step-siblings. Like I said, these are mainly theories but I think they have some decent weight to them. Maybe there will be revelation one day to confirm, or we’ll just have to wait til we die to ask.
But protestants say babies do not have sins. They say do not need to be baptize. But, when it comes to Mary they said she was a sinful baby. Ummmm crazy!
Thanks for your well presented material. I'm a discerning Protestant and seeking God's guidance in seeking a church home. Pray for me and my family.
I was protestant for 2 years. Now I'm taking RCIA classes. Thank you Trent.
Welcome home!!! ❤️❤️❤️
CHOOSE JESUS!! NOT RELIGION!!
Big mistake going back. Should of stayed away from that pagan religion
@@brutus896 Your comment becomes awkward when you start reading that “the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth,” (1 Timothy 3:15).
@@brutus896 Religion Is latin for Rope, Christ Is our rope, you're clearly Ignorant amd may God have mercy
@@lightscameralego950 That church that Paul is talking about here is not the Catholic Church.
When you understand this it becomes UNawkward
Me: it takes an hour to go home from university, it will be so boring
Trent: new 1 hour long rebuttal video
Haha I thought you were insinuating Trent was making a video to rebut your claim or boredom when I first read your comment 🤣
@@88BuckMeisterI want Trent to debunk my commute now.
"It wouldn't be a seventh day Adventist argument without a conspiracy theory". 😆
Constantine Conspiracy
Just fyi flock box responded in the comments 😳😁
I'm sharpening my axe thinking about the SDAs....hmmm.... Can't wait.
It always comes down to constantine did everything cuz he's a devil lol. Any situation they need a scapegoat it's him 😂
@@Kitiwake An axe eh? Get a weapon worthy of defending the honor of the Theotokos... Like an Kalashnikov.
"Jesus...was born with a sinful nature"
The heresy is too much!
*Rends garments.*
HERESY LEVELS *OVER 9000 !*
We've reached heresy levels that shouldn't even be possible
Burn the heretics!
Oop! Too soon?
sorry.
What???
Notice how these critics always just assume Sola Scriptura, instead of proving it.
bible says go to scriptures, not catholic church
@@donhaddix3770 ... you... no... you didn't just make that argument.....
@@philosopher-2007 yes I did
@@donhaddix3770 I pity you.
@@donhaddix3770 Matthew 18:17 "And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican." You have to subject yourself to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. If you will not listen to the Church, you will be like any heathen.
I found it funny that Orthodox, Catholics, Anglicans, and Lutherans revere Mary, but only the late Protestants disregard her
Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RUclips video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.
@@josephzammit8483 what language are you speaking in your videos? :)
@Justin Orrock At least the more traditional. I’m pretty sure High Anglicans due
As late you're in schism with the Catholic Church, the more herectic you become.
You need to read more.
Try Foxes book of Martyrs.
A real eye opener!
When trent has his flash shirt on you know someones about to get schooled real quick
Hahahahahahaha
Nice one 👍🏼
You call an hour quick?
Trent should be schooled himself about how hard the catholic church tried to get Martin Luther killed. Or about all the attrocities the catholic church has done through the middle age
@@Kennyov93 Yeah, people arent perfect. Keep crying.
Former Protestant here! I love being part of the one true, holy, apostolic church. The catholic faith is the fullness of Christ!
God bless you, brother in Christ.
But the roman isn't
And idol and graven images church.
If that were true, you would still be Protestant. The faith is catholic/universal, but not Catholicism. That is the fullness of deception, false teaching as warned in scripture.
@@joycegreer9391 Protestant Christianity didn’t even exist until the 1500s and neither did any of its doctrines. Martin Luther was a failed monk who married a nun and wrote a book called the Jews and their lies. Faith alone is nowhere in scripture neither is sola scriptura.
“Mary wouldn’t need a savior if she wasn’t a sinner.”
There is the medieval illustration (can someone remind me of the origins?): there are two ways to save a man from a pit. The first is to pull him out after he has fallen in. The second is to prevent him from falling in. Both require a savior.
yeah by that logic, it's impossible to save someone from dying in general, since you can't retroactively save someone from dying. impossible to prevent disease, as it can only be treated after the fact. just completely ignores the possibility of preventing an eventuality. it's amazing how such a simple logical error comes across to so many modern people as some kind of zinger that supports protestant heresy. if ever you needed proof that people are getting dumber with human "progress," not smarter, put this one in the box
It's irrelevant bro?
Our Lady of Fatima literally talked about people sowing hatred for her in children. I’m recovering from that thank you Trent for your charitable rebuttals.
Uhmm, I wonder if it's possibly more to do with this subject?
ruclips.net/video/4J--FxFcdVg/видео.html
This has happened in so many countries for so many years, maybe it is time for children to learn to be scared of all Roman Catholic clergy?
btw. I am from a large R.C. family, but was 'born again' 40 years ago.
I have read and studied R.C. on and off over the years and I am 100% convinced R.Catholicism is a fake, devil inspired, man made counterfeit Christianity, designed to fool the World.
I can count on one hand how many Catholics I've met who say they read the Bible.
But I've never met one who could even name the books of the Bible, let alone understand them.
The next time you meet someone new who says he is roman Catholic, ask them to name the books of the Bible and see the look you get.
(Jesus said, Marvel not that i said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again." John 3:7)
Peter writing to those who had been born again, said;
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever." 1peter 1:23.
Then in chapter 2 verse 2 he says,
"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the Word."
There are more verses about being born of God.
This is a real, Spiritual truth.
If Jesus said it's a must, and Peter affirmed it, then that would be enough for me;
So for all R.Catholics reading this comment, I would ask you to ask yourself,..Am I born again by the Spirit of God?
I know you are told you were born again when you were sprinkled as a baby, but that's a damnable lie. (Excuse my bluntness, but it's your eternal life and death that's on the line here.)
Anyway at least just give a think about it.
@@parrisroy dear sir, we 💒💜have Confirmation, Confession and Eucharisty as Religious obligations to keep us saved and constantly re-born in Our 🙏 Sacred 💖 Faith in Jesus Christ ✝️☦️ as our Holy Blessed Beautiful 💜🙏💙💐 Saviour.
No everybody saying they are Catholic or even Christians really are as it happens with Protestants, Anglicans, Evangelist, etc. Sorry to say 🙏.
So You All are Wellcomed back.🙏💒💚🕊️
Lady of Fatima is highly likely a myth. Children tell tall-tales all the time, and the Portuguese kids were no doubt spreading porky pies just to look impressive
What is amusing is how many adults actually fell for their rouse
@@zengfukushang532 please sir don't spread your uninformed opinion in this type of forum. We had enough of that.
@@mariadelpilarbenitez8063 On the contrary, my opinion is well informed. But yours isn't. And not only that, but you are doing what religious bigots do best: trying to control others and suppress free speech. Is it because you know deep down that your belief system is completely bogus?
My boyfriend is in denial that he’ll ever convert to Catholicism but he’s giving me obvious signs that he’s slowly converting lol, like going to mass and telling me “I want to try out this confession thing”, and then him telling me he got behind the idea of the Eucharist after reading John 6
Be careful please
Be careful please
Yeah. I grew up in a Pentacostal family that believed that Catholics weren't even Christians. I outgrew that idea when I was a teenager but still heavily looked down upon Catholicism. And even when I started becoming more devout about 2 years ago I still thought this about Catholicism. But about a month ago I came to embrace Catholicism and wholly reject Protestantism. I'm still trying to figure out if I should be Roman Catholic or Orthodox Catholic but I know I'm definitely going to be one of those two. If you're still in that relationship and he still hasn't embraced Catholicism try talking to him about Apostolic Succession. That was what really convinced me to embrace Catholicism and then after that it was like the veil was lifted and I realized how absolutely silly Protestantism actually is. Best of luck to you!
@IsaiahINRI I reject your statement of protestantism being silly. If anything, I believe the Catholic Church is one of the most legally corrupt churches on the planet. What with all the cases of abuse of children. Why would anyone want to be Catholic in the face of such wrongs beyond me. Let not forget their open support for Hitler and the Holocaust aswell. I am sorry, but a Catholic priest would be the last person I confess sins to. I also would not trust them with children.
It's 1 year later. How's he doing? 😅
Remember that all Reformers believed that the Mother of God was a perpetual virgin and that She never sinned. But of course, he knows better.
I clearly remember one of the moments that set in motion my rejection of Evangelicalism.
When I first heard about the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, I thought "who'd believe this absurd Catholic nonsense?"
John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, Huldrych Zwingli, Thomas Cranmer and John Wesley, it turned out.
Mother of God😂😂😂😂.
Mother of Jesus Christ I agree.
If you insist on calling Mary Mother of God, please send me the verse that supports your statement.
If you cannot, do you agree that this is false teaching coherently devised by the Catholic Church to mislead believers?
@@tknciliba4743 Is Jesus Christ God? If yes and Mary is the Mother of Jesus then she is the Mother of God.
@@baldwinthefourth4098 I asked you for a verse where the Bible says She is the Mother of God. I am still waiting............
I don't want to know what or how you think. I want Bible verses to support your absurd theology.
Mother of God suggests Mary (Spirit) was there before creation (Absurd_no biblical reference that she was alive when God created the earth) your own Catholic theologians are still arguing if she is the head of the Trinity😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭.
Mother of Christ suggests she (human) was highly favored by God & chosen to bear the Son of God.
Scriptures please🙏🙏🙏
@@tknciliba4743 You are coming from a false presupposition that everything that is true needs to be written in the Bible. That is false. The Bible nowhere claims that, in fact st. John at the end of his Gospel explicitely denies it and st. Paul in his letters ordered us to hold to the Oral Traditions that were passed down.
Also, yes, the Theotokos was favored among women whether you like it or not. St. Gabriel said as much when he appeared to her.
I find it interesting that Greg quotes the Bible despite the fact that the Canon of Scriptures was settled by the Catholic Church AFTER Constantine supposedly introduced pagan customs into the Church.
@YAJUN YUAN so what? are you saying regional councils have no authority?
@YAJUN YUAN
The first Council that accepted the present Catholic canon (the Canon of Trent of 1546) may have been the Synod of Hippo Regius, held in North Africa in 393. A brief summary of the acts was read at and accepted by the Council of Carthage (397) and also the Council of Carthage (419).
The more you prots gaslight, the more Catholics you create
@@DanielBlumenkron1989 i have no idea what you mean by this objection.
Lol exactly
Last time an argument against the perpetual virginity of Mary from a schismatic. St. Jerome describes
"I cannot talk of the beasts of the earth without ever comparing him to them!"
-St. Jerome, the OG Gangster.
Based St Jerome
I like this kind of videos, not because of protestant arguments being rebutted, but for the depth of the Holy Catholic Doctrine being displayed through Trent's knowledge. thank you, Trent :)
Only by faith in Jesus can you achieve salvation, but faith without deeds is dead. If you truly are a follower of Christ, then it should be natural for you, that you want to strive after being able to actually follow the ten commandments, out of a willing heart. Speaking about the ten commandments, the fourth commandment tells us to keep the day of rest holy. The day of rest is Saturday, or sabbath, as the day is named in the Bible. Not Sunday, contrary to what most Christians believe. The sabbath is also named the seventh day of the week. In six days, God worked and created heaven and earth and everything between,and on the seventh day (Saturday) God rested from his work. It was the seventh day (Saturday) that God blessed, and it was the seventh day (Saturday) that God sanctified. The day of rest (sabbath, seventh day, Saturday) is meant for holy use, for the church to gather. It's meant for us, so that we may find rest, healing and peace in God. And now I'm asking you to either use the Bible to tell me that I'm wrong, or you should say nothing against this at all. Because if you speak against what I just said, you are speaking against the word of God himself
trent thinking is twisted by the devil
@@peppernbo Trent is about as straightforward, logical and concise explaining the truth as one can get; any convoluted thinking is on the Protestant side.
First or last name
@@Kennyov93 what about Henry
One of Trents strongest tactics is when he says, “For example …”
Even though
For example, there are no biblical or extra biblical accounts of Jeesus written coterminous to his alleged time on earth. (Pauline epistles and gospels agreed even by bible scholars to be later in time)
This strongly suggests that it was a made-up story, a complete pile of man-made doo-doo
@@zengfukushang532 Yeah so? We don't have contemporary accounts of most things in the ancient world. Not sure why you find the gospels extraordinary respect. Also what bearing does whether or not the gospels are part of the bible have to do with their reliability as historical accounts? The bible wasnt officially codified until the 380s, 300 years after the gospels were written.
@zengfukushang532 wrong but whatever makes you feel special (:
I wish Trent would have pointed out the Annunciation. Mary was shocked that the angel Gabriel told her she would have a son. Mary was already betrothed to Joseph. Her reply, "but I don't know man" when questioning the angel how this would happen is ridiculous if she had planned to "know" Joseph, but not if she had no intention to know him!!!
Good point, and maybe a good tool for a later discussion. I’ve looked into some research about that phrasing and Jewish marriage customs, and to me it’s further proof Mary remained ever virgin and had no plans on having children of her own. Ties also with Joseph’s character which males me appreciate the couple all the more 🥰 God sure wanted the best people for Jesus.
@YAJUN YUAN There were men who did make Nazirite vows for either a term or forever, including a lot of Essenes. It was unusual for either a man or woman to do so, but not unheard of. There was a famous Jewish queen who came to Jerusalem to live in perpetual fasting and abstinence, while giving lots of alms. Josephus, a contemporary, writes about this Queen Helena of Adiabene (today's Erbil, Iraq). She made a Nazirite vow of seven years, and then kept renewing it to the length of 21 years, which ended up being until her death.
Keep it charitable in the comment box guys, don't sabotage Trent's evangelism to SDAs here
I’m guilty
Yes, good point
Well said
@YAJUN YUAN Welcome, brother!
@YAJUN YUAN I’m a Roman Catholic
Thank you for calling these people out. I feel sorry for them. Hope God has mercy on them.
Any chance you can respond to one of the countless attacks on St. Mother Teresa on RUclips? She seems to be the most unpopular Catholic figure among atheist millennials.
I never bother clicking on the videos because I know the comments are always going to be full of wicked insults.
You can thank Christopher Hitchens for that. I hope, by some miracle of divine grace, he repented before he died.
There’s a post on r/badhistory called “‘Saint Mother Teresa was documented mass murderer’ and other bad history on Mother Teresa” that does a good job dealing with criticism about her.
Nevertheless, some videos in her defense would be beneficial.
@@Irisgomesjmjfaith he didn’t…
Christianity doesn’t depend on her
That said, she wasn’t a doctor or politician
@@duckymomo7935 how do you know he didn’t?
People frequently repent on their death beds - I’ve seen it countless times as a nurse.
So unless you were there with him as he died you have absolutely no right to say whether he repeated or not before he died because you do not see the persons heart - especially in death!
When I worked in emergency medicine I was always prepared to say the act of contrition into any Catholics ear should they likely die/have time of death called before we could get a Priest there in time.
The reason why? Because it is believed that even in the unconscious body the soul can do a perfect act of contrition if it truly wants to.
So by saying the act of contrition to the patient I can help their soul make that final repentance as they die.
You nor I can ever claim if someone has or hasn’t made a final act of repentance before they die
I always thought SDA was just they hold the Sabbath is still Saturday. It gets more bizarre the more I learn.
The Catholic idea that SDA are Protestants is lunacy: they started at the same time as Mormons in the prophetic movement in the US , not in Europe from the Reformation. BTW Mormons are Protestants either!
The Catholic Church also holds that the Sabbath day is still Saturday. It simply teaches that the Lord’s Day(Sunday) satisfies the sabbath keeping command. It can do this because the minute Christ rose from the dead, it means that there is a “new creation” and this new creation is not dependent on a 7-day weekly cycle but rather has only 1 day which exists in perpetuity. This never-ending 8th day is what’s being talked about in Revelation 22:5. It’s also why God told them to circumcise males on the 8th day after birth. This never-ending day began on Sunday. So in one sense it is the first day of the week but in another sense it is the ONLY day of the week.
@YAJUN YUAN But wait, whether you are protestant in fact doesnt depend on whether you consider yourself protestant. Church of Christ are baptists+baptismal regeneration but they consider themselves not protestant depending on who you ask.
@YAJUN YUAN
Ah, no. You see God is eternal…so there is no expectation of the New Day for Him. It exists before Him as an eternal present. It is simply the carnal man that does not perceive this is the truth. That’s why Paul wrote:
(Galatians 6:14)
“But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is ⭐️crucified unto me⭐️, and I unto the world.”
Therefore this eternal day already exists.
Moving on, while it may be the case that the 8th day is when clotting factors kick in, this in and of itself does not constitute an either/or conclusion. It could be that the clotting factor kicks in on that day by God’s design because He always foreknew that this 8th day would be a vital symbol of the never-ending day of Revelation 22. Which of course, it is. That is the interpretation of the Church-which is infallible.
In fact, it’s quite interesting that you drew no connection whatsoever to the spiritual significance of the number 8-as the Creation week only has 7 days…thinking that this number 8 has ONLY to do with clotting factor. You dismiss the possibility that maybe-just maybe-God had another thing He was foreshadowing with this number.
It’s one of those carnal minded reflexes:
(Matthew 16:8)
“Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread?
So again, stop dismissing Catholic teaching because you are a carnally minded person. Accept it because it is true.
You wrote:
“The entire Decalogue including the still remain until that time…”
Ah, no. Again, the 10-commandments are eternal. They never disappear. They can, however, transform.
You wrote:
“The Catholic Church admits it doesn’t have the power to change divine moral laws.”
The moral law hasn’t been changed by the Catholic Church. Only the ceremonial aspect of the law has been changed.
The Catholic Church changed the ceremonial keeping of the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday because this is the condition as it exists in the “never-ending day” of Revelation 22. No one keeps the Saturday Sabbath in the New Heavens and the New Earth-even so, the MORAL aspect underpinning the sabbath is always being observed because the Lord is being worshipped by those who dwell in that eternal day, 24/7.
So yes, the Saturday physical sabbath was always ceremonial. It has to be, since Saturday itself is attached to a physical creation which Paul explained, has already been crucified.
Please review Galatians 6:14. It is precisely because you did not understand this passage that you are objectively wrong about what it is you are saying.
Yeah SDA is nuts.
Historic Adventist believed that Jesus could have sinned when he was tempted in the wilderness. Their logic is since he was tempted the devil knew he has the ability to sin. All of the goes back to when your Christology messed up.
That’s false who told you that? Have you actually looked up the history of SDA
Im an adventist and we werent taught none of this ?
I hate it when people talk bad about my mama
Me too brother. Lord give me strength.
@YAJUN YUAN 2
That’s Satan not Mary
She is not bad, he is not telling she is bad, but not to worship her.
@@lilibethcobarrubia1807 And we don't worship her. He has no authority to tell us what we do and what we don't do.
LoL, its funny how this SDA people made this absurd claims about the catholic church as if we are still in the 80's when no one could check the alleged contradiction in a simple google search and find all kind of answers, biblical, historial, patristic etc...
Amen!
@YAJUN YUAN good ? I took catechism classes in the 60's. Prior to that I believe the Baltimore catechsim or breviary was already published. So as time went on, beliefs had to be explained further wen other situations, that never came up b4 or questioned or needed further clarification which arose in our modern times. So in ur eyes, just bc the current catechism was published only recently, nothing else b4 was true? Wat about the encyclopedia/wikipedia - does the data always stay the same and can explain everything under the sun at all times?
@YAJUN YUAN thanks! No wonder I was lost for 35+yrs. And wat a mystery of the good Lord Jesus that the Catholic church after centuries of condemnation, hatred, persecution, being infiltrated by evil, etc. remains standing after all this time, the gates of the netherworld will not prevail. So sad the world of protestanism continues to fracture into hundreds/thousands of pieces after only 500yrs of existence.
@YAJUN YUAN I see. Wat about all those other independent churches, non-denominational churches are they not fractures? why continue to break away from the mainline? Why should those not stay and renew their denomination church? Where's the unity in that? Who gives the authority to say which church has true doctrines? Man-made doctrines being voted on, or God-given and to be protected and proclaimed HUMBLY by mere men?
Only by faith in Jesus can you achieve salvation, but faith without deeds is dead. If you truly are a follower of Christ, then it should be natural for you, that you want to strive after being able to actually follow the ten commandments, out of a willing heart. Speaking about the ten commandments, the fourth commandment tells us to keep the day of rest holy. The day of rest is Saturday, or sabbath, as the day is named in the Bible. Not Sunday, contrary to what most Christians believe. The sabbath is also named the seventh day of the week. In six days, God worked and created heaven and earth and everything between,and on the seventh day (Saturday) God rested from his work. It was the seventh day (Saturday) that God blessed, and it was the seventh day (Saturday) that God sanctified. The day of rest (sabbath, seventh day, Saturday) is meant for holy use, for the church to gather. It's meant for us, so that we may find rest, healing and peace in God. And now I'm asking you to either use the Bible to tell me that I'm wrong, or you should say nothing against this at all. Because if you speak against what I just said, you are speaking against the word of God himself
What I don’t get about some Protestants rejecting the Mother of God dogma is that, given the historical context when this was defined, it was used as an argument for the divinity of Jesus when there existed heresies that rejected such. If Mary is mother of God, then it follows that her son is God.
Historical context outside of scripture is what some Protestants choose to ignore since it usually goes against their own interpretations. Apparently, everything must be clearly stated in scripture and if it’s not then it’s 1) up to their and only their own interpretation or 2) is discarded as ‘false/uninspired’ if it leans towards Catholic teaching.
Sort of she was mother to him in the flesh. It’s just really simplified (bad wording)
So, you're saying Jesus is only God because of Mary???? LOL 😆
@@davidjanbaz7728 uh no.
You might be interested in watching this video, about the history of Catholic Church and Mary’s conception. ruclips.net/video/vew25J6wXTY/видео.html&feature=share
I find it very sad that even Muslims show more love and respect for Mary than a lot of Protestants. I seriously cannot see how a loving God that created mothers and fathers and commands us children to honor them would pretty much just use his mother Mary for her womb and nothing else.
It’s so funny that he mentions his opinion that the resurrected who came after Christ are in heaven but it doesn’t say that in scripture, using logic and historical/biblical precedents to make a claim which is what the Catholic Church does
Ah, this guy again
Thank you Trent!
I got deceived by these 7th day adventists for a while after stumbling upon a bunch of videos during a time I wasnt too knowing about my faith. Them just referring to themselves as Christians and all of the scripturebending got to me.
Thank God I got stronger in my faith and condemned these 7th day heresies, once I actually studied what my church teaches (I am Orthodox). I even was worried about my baptism crucifix as they lable those as being idolatry and was hesitant to kiss our icons. I will hold a special grudge towards these 7th day heretics for even putting these thought in my mind.
What can be meant for evil, God can use for good. It sounds like this stumble caused you to have a deeper understanding and faith in the long run. Love your enemies and pray for them that they might be led away from heresy.
Being orthodox is still not great, friend. Really examine why you are orthodox vs catholic. Why do you believe the Holy Ghost only comes from God the Father, and not from both Him and God the Son? Thats a pretty strange place to split hairs. The Holy Ghost has often been described to me as the Love shared between The Father and The Son.
What is difficult to believe about Jesus giving the keys to Peter? He clearly establishes the papacy. Give it a think, my friend. Orthodox is almost there, but youre still off from The True Church.
@@nardoritardeau2291 Funny you brought up the Filioque issue because its proven the Filioque was added afterwards.
I respect the Catholic church and of course the Bishop of Rome is valid as he can trace back via Apostolic Succession and I hope the schism heals some day, but when I read about the Early Church I see the Orthodox church. I disagree with the emphasize on the Pope also.
@@Kostas_Dikefalaios I have to agree with you although I do appreciate there are far more learned people than myself on both sides.
The Orthodox hierarchy clearly resembles the historical church. The Papacy is very arguable and more than enough early statements cast doubt on it, and if one does believe it, I would ask where are the equals the pope was first amongst?
Re the filioque, Jesus used the word proceed from the Father and He only sent the Spirit within time. It's not the biggest deal but it does alter Trinitarian doctrine in a way that makes it less neat, but that aside, why not stick with the language Jesus used, which is the only phrase approved by a council. Filioque was clearly added afterward for a specific reason (to emphasise the divinity of Jesus to heretics) and that reason was redundant in any case.
All that said, I do think Catholics are saved and led by the Spirit but I think to heal the schism they need to reign in these things a bit. It's no coincidence that the same pride and focus on over-explaining mysteries based on uncurbed human authority and understanding resulted in protesrant reformation and a schism cascade.
All my perspective of course. I can only pray to God that we trust Him more than ourselves and put faith, hope and love ahead of more limited faculties including reason (not that we should be knowingly unreasonable but maybe this argumemt has nothing to do with God's ways? I don't know.).
Catholic to Orthodox, despite the disagreements, you have my love for your Church. You have an apostolic church, your liturgy and emphasis on constant repentance is beautiful, your bishops have true succession and Christ is truly present in the Eucharist you celebrate.
I just want to tell you though not to bear a grudge against these SDA people. As you had once been mislead away from the Eucharistic Lord, they too are mislead themselves. I suggest you empathize with them and slowly bringing them back to the Real Presence of our Savior and introduce them to the theotokos.
Thank you Trent! Clearly the Bible Flock Box has issues that need to be addressed. Blessing to you Trent.
"Fitting" is my new favorite word. God is omnipotent, He does not HAVE to do anything.
One could argue that the Immaculate Conception of Mary wasn't required but was "fitting," although Sam Shamoun made a great logical case for why Christ had to sacrifice Himself for our sins in order to be both fully just and fully merciful. It's not that God couldn't simply give a decree if He wanted to, but that in doing so He would have been fully merciful but *not* fully just, and the argument is that God is both fully merciful and fully just, and that it's impossible for Him to be "too merciful" or "too just."
Nothing says "demonic deception" like telling people to build churches, and directing them towards Christ.
44:26 Okay, Greg, let me ask you something. Is the woman who gave birth to you also the prime source of your immortal soul? No? How, then, can she possibly be your mother, if we use your logic consistently?
I was thinking this too xD for some dumb reason Greg implies that mothers create souls and somehow Mary created God the Son. What a goober!
@@DeoGratiasDez yeah they are annihilationists, true. But still, even in their belief the mother is not the source of the soul nevertheless (ultimately, flesh yields flesh, but souls don't, and is sourced only from God), so I think this argument still holds.
Did the Logos of John 1:1 and 1:18 exist before becoming Jesus the Christ?
In what sense is Mary the mother of the Logos?
The Logos is the visible YHWH of the O.T. ln what sense is Mary the mother of YHWH( Elohim)(God).
@@davidjanbaz7728 Mary is the mother of Jesus because she carries Him in her womb and gave birth to Him.
Souls are a man-made contraption, invented by the ancient Hindus (Atman) and imported into other religions, such as the Pharonic cults, and eventually into Christianity. Its surprising that practically all the concepts we see in Christianity, we can observe in more ancient, older religions and belief systems. This suggests the NT made use of pre-existing concepts and modified them for its own agendas
I love listening to your rebuttals, Trent, but this guy's speaking style is beyond painful.
Brutal to listen to. I am just begging for Trent to come back on each time.
But making some valid points though👍!!
@@eudora3205 Greg didn't make a single valid point. Trent handed out refutations one after the next like candy at Halloween.
@@TorchVX give him some credit. his first point on the brethren of Jesus is valid, but not really defined to say that it is the historical truth.
The other ones tho he he he . 1/10
@@chicken-911 He gave one valid position on the subject, but never actually made an argument that disproved anything Catholics believe about Mary, so 0/10 lol
Re: Immaculate Conception. These people seem to not realize that Jesus's conception would have immediately purified her had she not been born immaculate. There is no way that a person can literally have God inside them in such a unique real physical way and deliberately choose to sin in life.
Just wanted to add that recent research has show that the fetal cells of the baby cross over to the mother and remain in her body for decades. These cells have been shown to protect the mother from disease long after the birth of the child. Every cell of Jesus is divine and those cells would have remained in her protecting her throughout her life.
Can you even imagine?
God Bless
@@Matt-1926 YES!!! I forgot about that. I remember arguing that point and they kept denying that the baby's blood traveled to the mom.
@@Matt-1926As a nurse, I gotta seriously look this up. But to think that The Virgin Mary literally mixed cells with Our Lord and Savior! It's blowing my mind away...the very idea of it.
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It's called 'microchimerism'. I can barely type right now. Gotta keep reading about this! Whoa...
@@tabandken8562 Normally durning pregnancy blood does not mix. But during BIRTH blood can mix! Oh man, this is exciting!
@@swoosh1mil It does mix. The baby receives oxygen and nutrients from the mother's blood via the placenta. That blood travels through to the baby. Then the waste products come back to the mother's circulatory system.
I'm Catholic now, but even when I was a Baptist it always bothered me immensely that so many Protestants treated Mary, who was chosen by God before time began to bring the Saviour into the world, as though she was merely a surrogate or an incubator. It just felt so icky and wrong to me; Jesus warned that those who hate Him will hate His servants too, so it's no surprise that so many anti-Trinitarians who reject Jesus's full divinity go after His mother, who was the first proto-Christian.
He didn't put dramatic music :(
ruclips.net/video/ASj81daun5Q/видео.html
just run it at the same time xDD
DUN DUN DUN DUN
thank you you mention this. Why he didnt put dramatic music?
They always bring up the “graven object” argument but keep the cross. Is the cross not a graven image as well?
Greg: "the woman in Revelation can't be Mary because of that period of time in the Wilderness... This clearly refers to the Waldensians."
Me: "So you're saying the Waldensians suffered to bring Christ into the world. Got it!"
Note: it amazes me that Protestants have such trouble understanding the motherhood of Mary, yet have no problem identifying as children of Abraham.
I find it more funny how the main characters in Revelation are the child, the woman, the angel, and the dragon. Obvious is child= Jesus, angel= St. Michael normally by name, and dragon= Satan. But hang on, suddenly “the women” is a metaphor that doesn’t represent any one thing/being 🙄 I do understand the nature of Revelation being ambiguous in some regards, but if 3 out of 4 beings are specifically drawn for a metaphor then one has to logically put the 4th in context as well.
@@jendoe9436 the literal one is Mary
Try lsrael not the RCC that didn't exist yet.
@@davidjanbaz7728 the Church (which Christ founded) is a continuation of Israel. And yes, the woman of Revelation is all three: Israel, the Church, and Mary.
A woman also represents a church, Christ being the bridegroom and the church (the people) being the bride
At 22:00 they simplify sin.
Not everyone gets a thrill from stealing. I once knew a lady that confessed that she got a thrill from stealing candy bars as a child . I was shocked, I had never met a kleptomaniac before.
But then there could be people that steal to help others, like valjean in les miserable, helping out his starving niece .
Or you could be forced to sin, perhaps by people more powerful than you.
Fortunately I haven't been guilty of this sin, but its not a one aize fits all situation.
I read the book Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary and it was wowww an eye opener. I used to believe what that guy said
thanks for posting this video.
Glad your eye is getting better Trent. Keep up the good work!
Don’t forget to do the first Saturday’s everybody!!
I'm in my second saturday.
Completed number 3 this past weekend!
Do you do yours with a parish or online? I do my First Friday/ Saturdays with the Marian Fathers of the Immaculate Conception and have grown to love them. Wish my area had such devotions 🥲
@@jendoe9436 I do mine in a church near my house. A Marian church called: Madre de Dios, in Chile.
I'm m so Happy I'm able to do It, And I tell everyone I can about it. My first Saturday coincided with a Street Rosary And Marian procesión, this last saturday, coincided with a old married couple renewing their wedding bows(that's how it's called in my country). So my experience has been so heartwarming And humbling.
Have a nice day.
O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee. And also for those who who do not have recourse to thee.
31:35: Protestantism in a nut shell: Sola My Opinion As I Read the Bible With Whatever Context I'd Like to Give it: "My personal beleif is ..."
@YAJUN YUAN no need to confirm to any objective standard right?
@YAJUN YUAN yet you jst said everyone must follow the dictates of their conscience. Scripture isn't your standard, your personal interpretation is.
Even the Scriptures themselves say how reading them without the proper background knowledge and explanations would lead people to twist its meaning and lead to their destruction.
You seem to think there was no transmission of information beyond the written word, that living people did not receive knowledge directly from the Apostles and passed it on. This knowledge, known as Holy Tradition, informs the Scriptures. Without it, the Bible simply becomes a source of confusion and misunderstanding as you see today with protestantism and its other offshoots.
@YAJUN YUAN Scripture itself tells us there is knowledge that got transmitted that wasn't written down. You think in a time before mass literacy the only thing that would have been relied on is the written word? That's just not realistic or an accurate understanding of history. Almost all knowledge we have from before the last few hundred years was passed orally and written down later. The same applies to Scripture itself. People memorized and passed it on orally for the most part. You are projecting the modern ubiquity of the written word and mass literacy onto the past.
There is another small point Trent left out related to the Queenship of Mary. This is a point I’ve heard made in other talks related to Mary’s various titles. In OT times, kings commonly had multiple wives. This included Hebrew kings. Imagine trying to choose one to be the queen. At the very least, it would spark intense rivalry and intrigue. In fact, in kingdoms where one of the many wives was queen, this was always the case, creating a situation where one or more jealous wives were tempted to murder others who were in more favored positions. The not so surprising and very wise solution to the problem used by Hebrews was for the king’s mother to be the queen. Not the “Queen Mother” which is a very different title with a different role and responsibilities, but Queen.
Related to this, it should also be noted that BOTH Mary and Joseph were not only direct descendants of King David, but also the closest living heirs to the kingship of David. Jesus was King of the Jews by both divine right and human inheritance. As the mother of Jesus, who is both God and man, Mary is his Queen by both divine right and human inheritance.
I should add that few Christians dispute the fact that Jesus gave His all holding nothing back. It makes sense that this included His own perfect mother.
It also makes sense that Mary, as the New Eve, was given the same advantage as the original Eve…which is a fresh start. The sanctification of Jesus was applied to her at conception so that she could be born without the stain of original sin. Like the first Eve, God allowed her to be tested by Satan. I’m certain she was tempted not just once, but many times throughout her life. Unlike the first Eve, Mary’s obedience to God was perfect. There was never a time when she fell prey to Satan’s temptation. Had this not been the case, she would not have been a suitable living Ark of the New Covenant carrying and caring for the living Son of God who is Jesus.
1 Kings 2: 17 So he continued, “Please ask King Solomon-he will not refuse you-to give me Abishag the Shunammite as my wife.”
18 “Very well,” Bathsheba replied, “I will speak to the king for you.”
19 When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.
20 “I have one small request to make of you,” she said. “Do not refuse me.”
The king replied, “Make it, my mother; I will not refuse you.”
@@apubakeralpuffdaddy392 Great post! Thanks.
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So glad your confronting these attacks
Well said! I’m publishing a weekly RUclips video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.
Thank you for defending the faith, Trent. Your voice is needed and greatly appreciated.
Only by faith in Jesus can you achieve salvation, but faith without deeds is dead. If you truly are a follower of Christ, then it should be natural for you, that you want to strive after being able to actually follow the ten commandments, out of a willing heart. Speaking about the ten commandments, the fourth commandment tells us to keep the day of rest holy. The day of rest is Saturday, or sabbath, as the day is named in the Bible. Not Sunday, contrary to what most Christians believe. The sabbath is also named the seventh day of the week. In six days, God worked and created heaven and earth and everything between,and on the seventh day (Saturday) God rested from his work. It was the seventh day (Saturday) that God blessed, and it was the seventh day (Saturday) that God sanctified. The day of rest (sabbath, seventh day, Saturday) is meant for holy use, for the church to gather. It's meant for us, so that we may find rest, healing and peace in God. And now I'm asking you to either use the Bible to tell me that I'm wrong, or you should say nothing against this at all. Because if you speak against what I just said, you are speaking against the word of God himself
@@Kennyov93 The Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ. Christians have been worshiping on Sunday since his resurrection. Moreover, as Catholics we can worship every single day of the week. Can you say the same about your SDA church?
hes lying to youor he doesnt understand
@@peppernbo I don't understand your grammar. Yikes, small steps.
@@tabithaoncoffee where and how is the sabbath fulfilled in christ-show me in the king James bible text
When the 7DAdventist went on about Revelations, all I could think of was the "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia" conspiracy meme, pretty nutty for sure.
@33:00 These low-IQ arguments drive me nuts. The Bible doesn't specify Mary's death or assumption because she and the Apostles are still alive and growing the Church at the end of the Bible narrative. The same goes for the martyrdom of Sts. Peter and Paul. The Bible is not an exhaustive historical account of the early Church.
One of the things I never really thought all the way through as a Protestant:
Catholics ❤ relics. Protestants find this weird. I used to think the whole relic thing was a Pagan corruption.
But! Catholics also ❤ Mary...and there are *zero* relics of Mary.
Even if one (maybe *especially*) thinks that most relics are fakes, and that there are "enough fragments of the True Cross to build a fleet of ships" - it is very telling that no one even attempts to create fake Marian relics.
It suggests that no Catholic would believe anyone had the bones of Mary.
@@cactoidjim1477 Yep one of the best arguments for the Assumption of Mary. And as you put it, there would be a HUGE financial incentive for a village or church to fake Marian relics to attract pilgrims, especially in the early Church or middle ages. Yet, no one ever tried it because no faithful Catholic would ever fall for that scam. That's a really great point that I had not considered until now! Thanks for that brother!
I love how this guy talks in circles, and by doing so undermines his own arguments. Good video, Trent.
Most compelling argument I see for Mary remaining a virgin is that when Jesus died, he gave over the care of his mother to his disciple John. Why would John be in-trusted with the care of Mary if she had other children?
Exactly..thank you!
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As far as soul sleep, what about the story of Lazarus and the rich man where the rich man goes to hell but wants to warn his friends/family to not make the same mistakes? If soul sleep was a reality, why would he go to hell?
Yep. And also what about Rachel? In Jeremiah is says that Rachel was weeping for her children in Israel and refused to be comforted, because Israel fell back into sin. But Rachel had already been physically dead for hundreds of years, and after this verse it says that God comforted Rachel by promising her He would redeem Israel. Then you have the author of Hebrews telling us that we're surrounded by a "cloud of witnesses," Paul saying that the saints are in "communion," and John saying in Revelation that the prayers of the saints are brought to the Lamb and that they smell like sweet incense to Him.
If St. Jerome is living today, he would have destroyed these types of people, not only their arguments but also their arrogance and ego.
Greg is super special. He never tells his flock box peeps that he is a SDA. He will never debate Trent, unfortunately.
@YAJUN YUAN Trent has done several videos of him, telling him he would be more than happy to debate him with no avail.
@YAJUN YUAN Greg commented directly on this video and Trent told him if he wanted to have a debate or a dialogue but Greg refused saying that Trent doesn't accept sola scriptura or something ( You can also see Trent talking about this in his RUclips posts)
Later I saw on Greg's video that someone asked him why he doesn't debate and he replied saying that debates are not for everyone or something. I answered him why not a dialogue and he then said that his channel is not a channel to dialogue with Catholics or something and he added that he already know what Catholics believe
This guy doesn’t go by scripture , he isn’t equipped for a debate
Mother Mary pray to God that He may enlighten, the minds of those who gladly have accepted your Son, but are unable to see your contribution in their salvation too, to atleast treat you with respect🙏
I humbly and respectfully advise you to pray to god directly in respect to his holiness 🙏 When jesus gave an example of prayer he did not go through a mediator..
@@sharongeorge6311 you're sweet Sharon, thank you and I do pray to God first, I wouldn't give that place for nobody else and no Catholic does, my prayers always start with Our Father🙏 praying to Mother Mary would be the same as me asking my mum to pray for me too :)
@@lullabiesofthedusk I respect your opinion. the difference is that your mother is alive but as trent said Mary MIGHT be in heaven next to god but we don't have any proof about that so why take the risk when we can talk to god directly 😊🙏..just sharing my point of vue have a blessed day 😊
@@sharongeorge6311prayers do get answered when we pray through Mother Mary, so yeah I'm not stopping, you aswell have a lovely day :)
@@sharongeorge6311 Mary is in the grave
I like Tim Staples' explanation of Mary being the Theotokos: Was Jesus God when he was 2 years old? Was Jesus God when he was 6 months old? Was Jesus God when he was 6 months old in the womb? Was Jesus God when he was exiting the womb?
Did the Logos exist before Mary was pregnant?
How to be christian too has great videos about mary and refuting incoherent arguments protestants raise.
ty!!
Mary shouldn’t be worshiped
It's Amazing that this has always been the Catholic church teachings, which the protestants always rejected and now it looks like they are getting information for the C.C but making it seem its their own.
Can you rebutt some of Gavin Ortlund’s stuff (Truth Unites)
For those who believe in soul sleep, I have a question. What did Jesus mean when he said “TODAY you will be with me in paradise.” To the robber being crucified with him
1:08:00 one of the craziest conspiracy theories I have heard in years
1 day = 1 year ... Constantine things happened ...Waldensians. Best part is that this is allegedly the result of a natural reading of scripture. Can anyone count on their hands the number of people that would make this conclusion independently on their own?
That is why I think Mr. Trent Horn is going after low hanging fruit.
@@princeofthekylineskyline2984 gotta love Sola Scriptura bro
@@computationaltheist7267 sadly some so called catholics fall for this.
@@takmaps I guess your right. Having a rebuttal to some of these low hanging fruit arguments can help in the long run.
By the way, it's good to see you.
So Mary had other children......but went to live with St John after Jesus' crucifixion? Wouldn't His siblings be pretty perturbed?
And a grave insult to the whole family. It’s the older sibling telling others “I trust a stranger to better care for my mother over my siblings.” A great insult for that time period.
@@jendoe9436 For any time period.
@YAJUN YUAN That would be even worse. You would be calling either Mary or Joseph infertile, or accusing them of intentionally frustrating the primary purpose of the marriage act.
@YAJUN YUAN 'It' may absolutely not have been anything other than completely non-existent, because Mary's Virginity is perpetual, as it was defined by the Church founded by her divine Son. If you don't believe that, you are not a Catholic, which means you are not a Christian, and you probably reject much more than just this dogma. The marriage between the Blessed Virgin Mary and Saint Joseph was not like any other marriage. Infertility is an imperfection, and Mary is perfect. And to assume that they 'must' have had marital relations like everybody else, you must explicitly contradict the Church, and refuse to consider that she is not like any other woman in history. This is the Queen of Angels you are talking about. The actual Mother of God. The Virgin of Virgins.
@YAJUN YUAN so the belief of Mary's perpetual virginity that has been believed my the ancient church, both catholic and orthodox, for the past 2000 years is wrong, but the novel belief that she wasn't a Virgin taught by some western European in the 18th century is right? Really?
Funny reply of Mary when told she will be with child, " for how can this be, for I know not man" would be rather peculiar as she was already betrothed to Joseph.
Mary IS the type of the Ark of the Covenant, much greater than the Ark too. What was in the Ark- Manna(bread from heaven) staff of Aaron(sign of the eternal priest) and the 10 commandments(word of God), Mary held what was greater- the ACTUAL word of God made flesh- The True eternal priest- and the ACTUAL bread of life. The Ark was so holy that if anyone touched it they died. You really think that Mary, who was overshadowed by the shekina cloud, and the only person to touch perfection and not die, would be able to be touched in that way?
The blessed Virgin isn't God's baby's mama, she is the Theotokos- the God bearer. Greater than any prophet, greater than any angel, greater than any human to ever exist(who isn't God) Mary's womb is sacred, not because of her but because of what was inside of it- God incarnate. It is a tabernacle of the Most High. NO ORTHODOX Christian had ever believed she wasn't a perpetual Virgin, even the Muslims believe that😆
The whole rebuttal to these "facts" can be summed up in the question, "What is your magisterial authority regarding any of this?" It seems that these arguments not only go counter to Catholic doctrine but also against many other varied and competing Protestant claims to equivalent magisterial authority about these "facts".
This is almost not worth a rebuttal it's so bad 😂😂💀
Especially the last one it's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
nah.. all misconceptions has to be addressed! and please not to our Mother!!!!
There is no worse blind man than the one who does not want to see. May God give you enlightenment.
Thank you for this one! I saw it pop in my recommended videos and was so happy that we get to see this guy again. This is going to be fun !
got to love the poor Adventist uses a Catholic Shop site to argue his points. Go to the source and maybe you will learn how these doctrines arise. The Catechism.
@YAJUN YUAN it was not first published in 1992. If that were true than how would you explain other Catechism books such as the Baltimore catechism which was around in the 1960’s
@YAJUN YUAN I want to know what your point is?
@YAJUN YUAN the new versions were for France so it is not only in America.
@YAJUN YUAN What about the Catechism of the Council of Trent? It was a world wide catechism dating back to the Mid 1500’s which the church very firmly expected all diocese around the world to teach. Some Catholics are poorly catechized which isn’t their fault, but I have never heard any Catholic teach their own principles and pass it off as Church teachings.
@YAJUN YUAN As for the change after Vatican II like all things in this world including Protestant churches the smoke of Satan has entered it. There is a false church eclipsing there true church as Mary predicted two hundred years ago.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:57 📜 Mary's perpetual virginity is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church. Claims that Mary did not remain a virgin after giving birth to Jesus, based on Matthew 1:24-25, do not disprove this doctrine, as the use of "until" does not imply a change in condition.
04:52 🏠 Jesus is said to have brothers and sisters in the Bible, but these were likely step-siblings from Joseph's previous marriage or close relatives. The term "brother" was used more broadly in the Jewish context.
09:17 💧 The Immaculate Conception doctrine states that Mary was sinless, free from original sin, and lived a sinless life. This belief is to ensure that Jesus, her son, would not inherit sin and guilt.
14:36 🙏 The Bible verses, like Luke 1:47,do not necessarily prove that Mary sinned. Her proclamation of God as her Savior can be understood in various ways, including salvation from temporal threats.
17:04 🌿 While Jesus had a fully human nature, he did not have a sinful nature. He was born with a nature like that of the sinful human race but did not have the inclination to sin.
21:16 💪 Jesus was tempted by the devil and experienced physical effects but did not sin because he is a divine person. The devil's temptation was likely due to a lack of knowledge regarding Jesus's divinity.
23:53 🤨 The devil isn't the opposite of God and didn't fully understand Jesus's true identity.
24:06 📖 The Roman Catholic doctrine of the assumption of Mary isn't directly from scripture but from apostolic tradition.
25:31 ⚰️ The Bible doesn't teach that people go straight to heaven or hell upon death; they await judgment.
27:31 📜 The Bible suggests a particular judgment after death, and some souls are conscious in heaven.
34:49 🔮 Praying to Mary isn't considered spiritism, as she's not a spirit or medium but a saint who can intercede for believers.
37:20 👻 Some alleged apparitions of the Virgin Mary are believed to be demonic deceptions.
44:16 🌟 The title "Mother of God" (Theotokos) attributed to Mary emphasizes that she gave birth to the God-Man, Jesus Christ, who had both divine and human natures.
48:20 🌟 The title of "Queen of Heaven" for Mary dates back to around the 4th century, reflecting a Jewish background, not strictly a pagan one.
52:13 🙏 The Roman Catholic Church's title of "Mediatrix" for Mary implies she is a female mediator for all graces, which contradicts the Bible's assertion that Jesus is the sole mediator.
55:41 🛡️ The claim that "all salvation depends on Mary" is a theological opinion, not official church teaching. It highlights Mary's role in God's plan but doesn't mean salvation comes through her.
59:37 📖 Revelation 12's symbolic woman can represent both Mary and the Church, demonstrating the complexity of interpreting the Bible's symbolism.
Why do I have a suspicion mind that the Catholic Company the Flockbox referred to was created by the SDA themselves.
Mary loves Trent as much as we do.
That dude's voice is like nails on a chalk board
Thank u Trent for doing this.
Only 18 minutes late and WoW lovely rebuttal Thank You.
As a baptized Adventist undoing the doctrine of soul sleep is the most pivotal. For every other Protestant I assume converting to Catholicism is easier.
Why are his sources from a Catholic shop??? He used a business website instead of the Catechism??? Wow, not exactly deep research 🧐 smh
If you are referring to the Catholic Answers citation, they do have numerous articles and resources on the faith. He probably just clipped it with that background either unintentionally or trying to discredit the work.
If that’s not what you’re referring to, then I have no idea 😅
@@jendoe9436 I’m referring to the Catholic Company website he (the Bible flock box guy) references multiple times. They’re a great site for purchasing Catholic items and books but I wouldn’t use their articles as a scholarly resource. I think he only referenced Catholic answers website once or twice. He could have googled the Catechism of the Catholic Church and had a credible online resource. I’m just surprised, it would be similar to me getting articles from a Protestant gift shop website and using them to define Sola fide or sola scriptura. Those kind of articles aren’t always from scholarly sources sometimes it’s just a copy writer who may or may not understand the subject they’re writing about. It’s simply poor research. 😊
@@sherrypence5627 ah, thanks for the clarification. I normally listen to these videos at work so I don’t always look at the screen. I recognized CA by the address and didn’t know what Catholic Company was.
While I will slightly concede that some store websites can have little spots in clarifying terms, history, etc, I do heartily agree more serious citations should be from more academic sources just as a courtesy.
He probably does that because it’s easier to read or understand.
@@sherrypence5627 To Protestants, it makes no difference.
44:20-44:35 He's teaching a gnostic Jesus, the very Jesus taught of Cerinthus which John's gospel refuted. This is mentioned in Book 3, Chapter 11 of Against Heresies by Irenaeus.
With every "fact" this guy states, I start to question if this man is even a Christian. Also who are you going to trust. 2,000 years of apostolic tradition (which predate the scriptures) along with councils and studies by the church fathers or something someone created in 1863?
Seventh-Day Adventism: The short bus of protestantism.
@robert warner close tie
Youre so logical trent. Thanks for your contributions brother. Please keep at it. Yeomans work man
Hey its this guy again
Bad Mariology begets bad Christology
God bless you brother!!! 👍👍
Greg is full on heresy...
"Jesus has sinful nature..."...SMH
"Mary is not the theotokos"... 😥
They're called the Nestorian and Adoptionist heresies, both refuted by the Church before the 5th century.
@@lukebrasting5108 yes. I was aware of Nestorian heresy: Christotokos VS Theotokos, but I didn't know about the other.
Time for some research.
Thank you for the information.
God bless you.
@YAJUN YUAN God bearer. And there's no spanish translation for Theotokos also, it's called Madre de Dios. Mother of God. Mater Dei.
@YAJUN YUAN I was clearly saying that there's no Spanish translation for Theotokos and that Mater Dei, Mother of God, is used instead.
Dei Genitrix is also translated as Mother of God in Spanish, Madre de Dios.
Theotokos has no translation un Spanish, only Mater Dei
@YAJUN YUAN portadora de Dios is not a term used in Spanish. It's easy un english.
La que dio luz a Dios is not used at all. At least not as a noun yo refer to Mary. Not even : Portadora de Dios, as God Bearer, Theotokos. Our use of words for our Blessed Mother is very límited, I'm afraid.
That's why people (Who know the term) use It as It is, Theotokos. And then explain the meaning.
Have a nice day.
1. why praying to Mary is wrong..but preaching about ellen white as a prophet and messenger of God is not?
My friend because praying and preaching are 2 different things.. Ellen white is not equal to god as you just said she is just prophet like many others in the bible 😊
Prime example of someone who has never been to an SDA church. We are not preaching about Ellen white . We consider her a prophetess but she even says that peolle she only rely on the Word and the Word only. Have you even read any of her writings or just repeating nonsense ?
Also Mary is dead in the grave waiting on Christ. Y’all are literally preaching idolatry. Your in the mother harlot church !
@@Remnant.Garments7 why do you considered her as the only modern prophet?? Give me scriptural evidence to support your old naughty mama
Christ clearly teaches that the saints in heaven are not dead.
"And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." (Mark 12)
Yes at the resurrection
@@rhb30001 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." (Matthew 17)
Moses and Elias, and all the saints, are not dead. They are conscious and live in heaven with Christ.
"He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." (Mark 12)
Peace be with you.
The word 'dead' means separated.
They are 'alive' and present with the Lord, that's true.
But they are separated or dead to us, as well as from their body.
So not being divine themselves they don't hear every word spoken by every human being on earth.
Heaven is a long way away.
You have to be God himself to hear another human pray.
And as you said, they're in heaven, not on Earth.
@@parrisroy "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." (Luke 16)
This separation refers to damnation, not physical death.
"and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats"
(Matthew 25)
Again, this separation refers to damnation.
"He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn"
(Matthew 9)
Death of the body is compared to physical sleep. The soul of a saint is present with the Lord.
"Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"
(John 11)
"Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?"
(Acts 3)
The saints in heaven or on earth do the will of God--- whatever that may be--- by the power of God.
"They called out in a loud voice, 'How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
(Revelation 6)
The saints in heaven are conscious and active.
"I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God."
(Revelation 22)
One may interact with the servants of God, but only God is to be worshiped.
I find it mildly annoying that some of the biblical texts say things like “we must all” and Greg is automatically like “that includes Mary that includes Mary!” Like, when talking about all of humanity do you want the scripture writers to say “we must all* (except Mary)” like, that just doesn’t make sense to me. One exception doesn’t mean you can’t still make general statements
It's a rather strange request....
"I won't argue my point against you concerning the bible and my beliefs unless you pre-confess to already believe something I'm going to debate with you".....
My head hurts...
44:30 Not only Nestorian idea of the Theotokos, but eventually a Nestorian understanding of Jesus death on the cross. Since death in Adventism means souls sleep (which is the human souls ceasing consciousness). You have “Jesus of Nazareth” the human subject ceasing for three days while the divine Jesus is somewhere else. Anathema
While my support and understanding of Mary’s perpetual virginity is from scriptures, history, revelations, etc, I still have an arguably silly reasoning for it.
Mary is the New Ark of the Covenant, forming Jesus of the Word in her womb in a place no one save the spirit can enter. The Ark of the Covenant was placed in the Temple and transporting the Ark took specific people to handle and even the high priest could only enter the sanctuary once a year. It’s mentioned explicitly what happened when a nonLevite touched the Ark to steady it: he was struck down on the spot.
Joseph was a righteous man, knew his scripture, knew what Mary’s pregnancy meant, received visions from angels whenever he was in doubt, and knew Jesus’s birth was special. Why, after all that, would he even think about knowing Mary that way?! I’ve gotten teasing from friends about this, but I can’t help but think he had that poor nonLevite guy in mind when all of that was taking place.
Just saying he was an honorable, righteous, and intelligent man. Pretty sure he would have realized Jesus would be Mary’s one and only child after everything they went through.
Mary's response to angel Gabriel is telling. Why would she be questioning the angel about how it would happen when she was already betrothed to Joseph?
@@tabandken8562 listen to this video to give you an understanding as to why Mary is a virgin after Jesus’ birth. ruclips.net/video/vew25J6wXTY/видео.html&feature=share
Bless you for keeping St. Joseph in mind. This year I've been holding a special devotion to St. Joseph; as The Pope has declared this to be a Year to St. Joseph. St. Joseph is master of the interior life. He never says a word in the Bible, but always quick to take action when told by God's messengers. I humbly thank you for your 'silly' insights into what he may have been thinking.
There also is the belief that St. Joseph already had children from a previous marriage. Maybe his intent was not so much to have more children, but help with raising his existing children. Being a righteous man he would of course given Mary at least one son of her own. But God's providence took care of that. Just me thinking 🤔.
@swoosh1mil while true most couple did marry and conceived children, some marriages were actually a bit different. The man and woman were still husband and wife, but parties actually remained celibate and lived more like brother and sister.
Part of this could have been protection for the woman since she couldn’t do much in society, other times it was both parties wanting to devote themselves entirely to God but couldn’t join the religious.
I read a theory some time ago that Mary could have actually been a temple virgin, a young woman who was consecrated to God, and she may have taken a personal vow of chastity. Joseph was probably a bit older than her and was arranged to be her husband so Mary could be cared for in life since temple virgins could only be there for so long before they were married off to start families. Her parents arranged the marriage to Joseph with his family, and he himself probably had some virtues of chastity as I’m sure Mary and her parents made it known what she wanted to do. All speculation based off some theories gleamed from what research is out there, but not fully unprecedented and has some roots in history.
There have been couples in Church history who married but lived as brother and sister, or where one/both spouse(s) join a religious order with the Church’s blessing.
Joseph having other children could also be valid, but even step-children had some duty to take care of their step-elder relatives. Since Jesus gave Mary to John the disciple, we can definitely infer Mary had no children herself unless Jesus meant to insult his younger siblings by entrusting her care to a stranger over her own blood. However, any children Joseph had would have also been in the right and obligated to take her into their home. To not do so would have been viewed as disrespectful to Mary and the entire family. Once again, we can gleam Joseph may have not other children, if he did then they must be gone since they’re not mentioned explicitly, or Jesus was once again insulting his older step-siblings.
Like I said, these are mainly theories but I think they have some decent weight to them. Maybe there will be revelation one day to confirm, or we’ll just have to wait til we die to ask.
But protestants say babies do not have sins. They say do not need to be baptize. But, when it comes to Mary they said she was a sinful baby. Ummmm crazy!
Sorry, but this SDA guy has like 0 charisma
And that’s why you are lost, you let charisma guide you. That’s how Satan was in the garden
I mean, it’s adorable that he quotes the Catholic Company, but could someone send him the link for the Catechism?
SOOO HAPPY YOU DID THIS 💖
Thank you for this. Continue your rebuttals. Its helping many people know the truth
Thanks Trent for all you do! Very helpful
As a Catholic, it gets old. People want to worship their own way.