DOES EU HAVE HOPE VS LPL? FNC VS TES MSI 2024 - CAEDREL
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Editor was quicker than T1 vs FLY, impressive
He first needed to deliberate if he shouldnt just release the whole vod uncut
Fresh from the oven
But slower than MAD
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That game 2 is crazy, Creme couldn't land a charm and got solo killed the entire game, Tian is running it, Oscar is going crazy on Camille and Jun is godlike with ult and that handshake on JKL.
Caedrel: Cremes Ahri is craazy good!
Me: Where???
i literally lost count on how many charms Creme missed 😢
@@piofainuu Never let that man pick Ahri again
@@danverzhao9912dude he was nervous af meiko mentioned in interview. Please, Give him a break. He will show up later in the tournament.
@@danverzhao9912he destroyed JDG and Ruler on his Ahri. He is just nervous. First international after all.
Oscar gapping 369 wasn't on my bingo card
We really need noah to step up he was such a liability this series wonder how it would've went if he had gone even in game 1 and 3
i think he played bad yeah but i think 100 % draft gap to in game 1 and 3
Bro how he can step up when he plays vs jackey who is so aggressive,also in game one this match up Nami lucianvs aphelios lulu is so hard to play as aphelios,I think Noah was locked in but top esports bot are just better
@@lukasholthus421not that much draft gap, just picking bot matchups like they play vs bottom tier lec teams, u cant play rakan when varus is picked and ashe is open
He didnt gap him they lost the series
What? Aphelios lulu has always been a counterpick for Lucian nami. Noah being down in that much cs isn't a pick issue.
Oscar ! Game 2 felt so good after the shaking split! They all played great but Oscars performance warmed my heart.
I knew game 3 was over when they chose to put their damage source on Noah after he got gapped mega hard every game... Man if they had Noah just go even in lane i think FNC could of took the series
AD Gold gap this series:
Game 1: 7K Gold gap
Game 2: 2.5k Gold gap
Game 3: 1.2k Gold gap
At least the gap was closing...
I hope jackey took noah to a date atleast, before doing what he did to him in this series.
I can’t believe I understood this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Camille/LeBlanc game looked so good. Too bad they didn't keep that playstyle for game 3..
To be honest I think Jun might be the best renata of msi. I know keria exists but still, he is so damn good on that pick! I really hope he picks it more often but its kinda nieche I guess
Last game was awkward for sure, Zac looked great on paper since enemy bot is 2 immobile champions but the Zac ended up peeling for his own team instead, using his E to knock up Renekton.
JackeyLove straight dismantled FNC. That game 2 was insanely impressive from the lads though. Good series
SPOILER ALERT ⬇⬇
I don't get the Sejuani pick in such an important game :( ... I thought Razork hates that champ + his winrate is a clear evidence of that. Anyways Oscar 8/1/6 against 369? Who would expect that, tell me? Marek's LeBlanc is crazy as well and Jun is just a real korean, nothing to add. Hopefully Noah wakes up a bit and Nighshare gives Razork better picks and we're all good
No they shouldnt, if strong poke champs are open you cant go rakan, thats why they were 50cs down at like 15 in game 3 and lost
The last game's draft was genuinely awful. Razork on something with agency like Viego, Xin or even Voli is so much more dangerous than playing these tanks. The entire game felt on Humanoid's shoulders.
They probably thought since Maokai is picked, Vi, Xin Zhao and Viego were banned that only leaves Razork with the comfort champs poppy Sejuani, j4.
Poppy is bad in the comp
J4 is difficult
Sejuanni is safe.
The grief in the draft was Zac top as counter pick when Sejuani was picked. Very on Brand for Fnatic to forget they’re skill set is early skirmish then randomly think they’re Hanwha life with Viper on game 3 to lose the series.
@@benjones8594 EU rly need to bring Voli onto these meta merchants. By far Razork's most consistent performing champ
@@Marco-qt5nv Same in game 1 same in game 2? Noah was down 40-50 cs every lane. Aphelios lulu is supposed to be able to hold it's own into Lucian nami, Kalista Renanta isn't supposed to be turbo gapped by Varus Rumble. Sure, you can say Xayah rakan gets blasted by Ashe, Varus. But does it really get blasted that bad? Also, how do you have the most gold on your team in a game and do less damage than Zac top? Noah was turbo gapped by JKL every game. And no matter the picks, the results would have been the same.
''Donde esta la biblioteca?'' XD Caedrel and I have the exact same spanish skills
Not in that books
which literally translates to: I don't bargain pumpkinf*****.
I am pretty sure he speaks spanish fluently tho😅
Bro Oscar game 2 was a demon, nice shit.
Caedrel was right about Humanoid and Tian, insane.
this video is longer than T1 vs FLY 💀
And T1 international is better than TES lmao
It would be more weird if it wasn't. T1 is better than TES...
I feel like you tried to make a joke and it failed...bad lol
@@laffytaffyhdg I mean FLY got absolutely rawdogged, and FNC put up a fight.
@@Meagreee FNC played top lol T1 is better than Top
holy mother of an adc gap if I have ever seen one lmao, jackeylove's back must be hurting after that series
Thank you Caedrel editor
Man I swear Caedral calls their picks over 50% of the time. He definitely is fully aware of each individuals favorite champs, but also what fits their team comp and vs the enemy comp
The only player on FNC who was gapping their opponent was Humanoid. Ahri vs LB is a skill matchup that's Ahri favoured so creaming Creme like that is pretty impressive. Humanoid> Creme this series.
Oscar didn't gap 369, Camille is just broken into tanks and bruisers once she has items. Oscar and the rest of FNC did play very well to get to that point though. 369> Oscar still.
Noah played quietly well like an ADC should. You can't say he's the reason they lost. TES were the favourites to win and JackeyLove is one of the best aggressive ADCs in the world. It played out like it should, in G1 and G3, he had terrible matchups and was forced to lane into them.
41:27 signal received antenne SCANNERMANS
Holy shit these games are so much more fun to watch with Caedrel.
Yes!!! its really fun when Caedrel pick a side to cheer on. He get really hype when something happen
fnatic really needs to work on their drafts, a team that is momentum based need draft edge game 1 and game 3 draft fucked them tbh
These Humanoid LeBlanc picks felt like I was watching back in good ol days G2 Perkz vs RNG game 5.... man good times
FNC need to have a better plan to shut down enemy ADCs. Noah is the 2nd/3rd worst ADC in playoffs (assuming FNC qualify). Every game there is going to be a big botlane gap, and they can't rely on coinflips like level 1 invades or lane swaps if they want to go far.
i‘m at game 2 rn and holy shit this is the best performance i‘ve seen from fnatic! i never thought i‘d see oscar winning lane against 369, the arguably best top laner in the world, and JUN my god that dude is so good, this is pure cinema
edit: 24 vs 7 KILLS WHAT and 369 didn’t get a single one OSCAR FRIED THEM LETS GO
In Game 1, Jackeylove did the Elk thing on Lucian where you play as cocky as possible to bait a bad punish and then turn and kill them all.
Is crazy to me how BLG botlane gaps TOPs like they do considering how good they are, this game really showcasing that.
@@snomrom6595 TES botlane is on par with BLG's, Xun just plays around their botlane way better than Tian. In winners finals jkl/meiko played really well
Yeah they grief that game 3 draft
eu logic for the last game , tank top, tank jg, tank support and zero damage mid laner, surely we win !
@@mississippitornado6842lmao, taliya Has the most average damage throughout all 4 regions. Idk if your bronze or what. Just because she doesn’t do insane burst, doesn’t mean she has no damage. FNC game 3 draft was good. It’s basically a split push 1/4 comp vs team fight comp. Caedrel, Yamato they all think that draft was good but didn’t suit fNCs style. What they should’ve done was lane swap to dodge the Varus Ashe lane. Both taliya and Zac with sun fire have pushing advantages. They should be completely fine if they lane swap and play for the resources. The only downside IWD mentioned was that once reach 2+ items, they didn’t have anyone match tris in the side lane. But they were way better team fight team if they could set up object but they made poor plays around bot side that was the whole reason they lost early. That has nothing to with draft. Stop blame everything on draft when it was clear not.
@@martin32074 you're such a geek, the champ is trash
TES were just trolling the entire game. FNC drafts were so bad g3 esp
@@martin32074their draft had 0 dmg idk what youre talking about. taliyah is a low damage champion her strong side is that she has insane map control with her ultimate and her e counters a lot of champions. compared to champions like azir,corki,hwei, she has no consistent damage. she doesn’t have the burst damage of ahri,leblanc,akali either. Drafting 3 tanks and a low damage midlaner basically means they HAVE to play around their adc, and seeing how noah underperformed in the first two games this was a huge drafting mistake. if your adc is guma,viper, someone with carry potential its a good draft yeah, but with noah its not
creme was just invisible this series
Was a close series
Game 3 wasnt close
@@user-lz9hp6zm9i that I agree on, but for EU holding that much Chinese team is good
@@user-lz9hp6zm9ibut game 2 wasn’t close and game 1 was. So it was a close series. What a stupid useless comment
@@user-lz9hp6zm9i he said series not game 3
Jun is the support everyone wants, Noah is the adc everyone gets in solo q
Some close moments! Exciting series
Noah was pretty much the solocarry for fnc, now its the complete opposite.
Jun had some amazing moments but meiko, JL is such a strong bot.
Huma in internationals is just crazy or what, maybe no taliyah no more :).
Oscar stepping up, Razork doing his thing
Cool series
Pretty sure G2 beat them on a good day
i really don't think noah was the solocarry.
You are smoking something else if you're saying noah was EVER a solocarry for fnatic, he does not have either the peak performance to match what you're spouting, nor is he consistent, nor is his champion pool a threat. He can't even match Hans let afar match LPL adcs. Sure he doesn't int, but he's basically like the Nuguri of adc, will shit on worse adcs but can't do shit vs adcs better or more aggressive than him.
@@user112sqsa12 People already forgetting what happened last summer?
why y’all always immediately rely on G2 when the other EU team loses what are y’all? A bunch of fking cripple?
@@user112sqsa12 noah was the solocarry for fnatic. they all grieved it in regular season and noah 1v9 so many teamfights
16:47
17:31
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@@BrovarSpirytusgoes to show how irrelevant other regions are when the only ref I understood was T1 > MAD 16:47
o7 16:47 forever
@@SStrikeFury 17:31 literally happened same day as this match, it's a new reference.
Can we stop blaming Noah. He got 3 bad matchups where he should loose early. And team played for topside game 1 and 2. In game 3 the invade fucked him. Yeah he got gapped. But based on the state of the games he was not terrible
I think the issue people have is with the draft and decision, and Noah is just a product of that unfortunately. Everyone knows Noah would lose to JKL, believing otherwise was delusional. But his coaches should also know that and the rest of his team should also know that. The real mistake isn't that they were not playing around him, it was when they based their entire draft on him in Game 3.
Zac and Sej topside with Tali mid. The only damage on their comp would be the bot side and the entire top side is basically playing "Protect the ADC". This strategy might work you are confident in Noah winning botside and beating JKL, but that wasn't the case in the game. So there are two takeaways.
1. Blame Noah for not being able to beat JKL when their draft needed it
2. Blame Coaches / Team for drafting like that.
The solution really should've been to draft similarly to Game 2 and leave Noah to lose bot lane, but try to play for other lanes and win through them. I don't think it would've made much difference unfortunately because Humanoid also played badly in the 3rd game, but you'd expect the team to try and set themselves up for the best case, not rely on Noah who demonstrated earlier in the series that he can't hang with TOP's Botlane.
People be forgetting that they were up against Jackey and Meiko, both world champions and top 4 bot duo in the world currently 🔥
let's be honest now... he is not supposed to go down 40 cs at 10 min despite playing a non favorable matchup. If the roles were reversed i highly doubt the enemy would get so gapped.
@@piofainuu ya, like jackeylove just destroyed ruler on both bo5. Noah and jun showed great potential in the LEC but people forgetting these 2 aint even an LCK starter before getting signed by FNC
Sorry if he was 10 C's down that's ok but he was 60+.
I dont understand the taliyah Pick in game 3. It makes somewhat sense into their team but after Humanoids Performance game 1 and 2 wouldnt you rather have him on a Carrymage like ahri than a utility mage like taliyah? it was open aswell and wouldnt have been worse than taly against trist.. The sole carry in game 3 was Noah with xayah and he got gapped every single game.. they were lacking dmg + huma couldnt fight any1 or make solo plays with taly
Taliyah is one of the best champs into Tristana, she can get the push which is rare and interrupt on her jump. One of the highest DPS mage and good roam. It really was one of the best picks possible for Marek.
@@falinestixiaolong9691 and mareks insane on taliyah on the good days
@@falinestixiaolong9691 Yea i know but thats in theory. It just felt.. off this game after the 2 strong performances from him to give him something without playmaking/outplay potential. Yea he can R and set the minefield to stop dashes but thats more control/utility. They needed more dmg in that draft besides Xayah and i personally liked their 2 tanks into full ad comp so the better variation imo was a different and maybe more flashy Champion in mid for marek.. He always seemed strongest when he had the opportunity to make plays himself. Taliyah seemed fairly limited in that regard. Idk guess im just sad since they couldve won that series.:D
what do y’all expect from a Leblanc Merchant
Taliyah is good if enemy team doesn't build mercs. But after that you can just buffer Taliyah E with jump. Also Taliyah DPS is meh compared to Azir/Hwei@@falinestixiaolong9691
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I`m Korean who watches LEC games. If Fnatic get Ice instead of Noah, Fnatic could go further.
The timing on releasing these vids is crazy. Thanks a bunch!
As an italian, when you said "mammamia pizzeria" i almost fell of my chair laughing my ass off
Caedrel I fucking love you man.
Did anyone tell FNC they were not playing against gam today? Wtf was that g3 draft? Why are they loving 3 losing lane that much?
practice.they have 1 more game and it's against a minor region,so they are preparing for a game they can actually win
@@aaabbb-zc7sxThat's cope. Why would you want to practice when you want to get a spot in the Group Stage? Or what, do they wanna risk having to flop against one of the wildcards?
Wonder why the played f2b comp again in game 3? The skirmish Carry top worked so well for them in game 2?
Marek gapping game 1 and 2 was such a pleasure to watch
with prime rekkles, they had this series (nothing against noah though, were hard games for him but rekkles on weak side was unstoppable)
Idk why everyone is ignoring jun when bot is losing lane. Support is literally the main influence on whether bot win lanes or not most of the time. Noah didn’t have a great series but both of them didn’t know how to play some of those lane matchup.
I didn't think FNC has it but damn. If only they had a better ADC, I bet they could do more.
what does he say at 38:05? merc lamond?
game 3 should've been solo lanes strongside and let bot do their thing, oscar and marek were feeling it
When are we gonna talk about how hard razors choked game 3, i mean i haven't seen a worse performance in a long time
The most western thing is G2 getting stomped by TES now
What a win from FNC man goodlord🥳
i don't even play this game but you make it entertaining props
Game 3 they put too much faith in Noah when he was the weak link the entire series. Oscar was absolutely cooking and they needed to keep that top-side momentum. Nonetheless, both teams played well overall and it was a fun series to watch.
Caedrel: stop and think
FNC: stop thinking
Can someone educate me as to why one would go Horizon Focus on LeBlanc? Is it a good item on her overall or does a specific scenario in this game require her to build it? I don't understand the reasoning.
Edit: I didn't think about HF proc after using for example WQW in a quick order. The extra damage is nice and the reveal will always be useful especially vs the burst that Lucian Nami has as well as the potential charm from Ahri if out of vision.
Showmaker said if champion can use horizon focus, he must but horizon focus
Noah didn't show up the entire series, what a shame, even in game 2 he was a non-factor but the rest of the team played well, threw game 3 altogether with some unfortunate fights, Jun Oscar Razork and Humanoid well done.
It doesn't look hopeless, I thought that 369 would for sure roll over Oscarinin. The way that FNC lost here honestly makes me think they might be able to take a surprise series against one of the top teams.
feels like humanoid single handedly put leblanc on the menu again
I think Noah understands why Ruler lost to JKL now lmao
Hell of a fight by FNC.
"YOU SNEAKY LITTLE BUGGAR, HE'S GONE FOR THE KRUGS" - Caedrel
Last game either oscar or rezork should have played carry champ..
Sej? That ultimate looks like the hardest skillshot.
Jun on that renata was mvp actually
41:30 who's flash exacly again? :P
Unfortunate fnc didnt stay true to their playstyle in game3. They probably wanted a safer cookie cutter comp to try and 2-1, but didnt think about what even brought them the win in game2.
Still proud of the boys, they all played really really well and I hope Noah understands there wasnt alot he couldve done differently after drafts and being weakside alot
Caedrel: “Oscarinin is the worst top laner from major regions”
NA: “haha the worst… wait…”
Why tf did they pick razork sejuani g3 i'll have nightmares about this forever
Idk this is not even a good sej game angle
that taliyah pick in game 3 really fcked with FNC.
The armor stacking would have been better. I understand the cc. But their role was to be a meatshield if they put their resoirces on noah
WTF that jun?? finaly camile in game but THAT JUN LOOK AT THAT GOD
Crème over Marek ain’t no way
I really don’t like razork on sejuani. The main reason fnatic is succeeding is because they pick strong mid jungle and razork on a tank reduces that power heavily
Insane performance by FNC, razork and Óscar need more Carry champs and with Noah and jun plug in, It would be the real miracle. Humanoid just gapping hard mid
W editor no spoiler plant
Why did Oscar flash at 36:27 😭😭😭 maybe predicted a pre flash idk 😢
TES jersey just looks like Weibo.
45:04 I felt that
If Oscar went Rammus Game 3, it would’ve been over
Non ironically, true. Imo, 3 adc on a pro scene is arrogant as fck, g2 would go rammus that game and probably won
or jax or malphite or rammus.
Creme got his head caved in ngl
“…HE’S A SHEEP!”
Am I missing the reason for putting Oscar and Humanoid back on supportive champs after they carried hard game 1 and 2? Not sure if it’s because of the bans or what. Nice try though, exciting series.
question, why pick taliyah into tristana?
second question, does noah know feathers do damage if u pull them back
Taliyah E was tristana biggest nightmare plus against tris who usually will sitting on midlane for the whole 14 min (plate play and tempo) playing early rotation champ like taliyah or ahri was so good
Taliyah is good against trist
Fnc just got lost in the gameplan
Taliyah giga-dumpsters Tristana. Your E is a stun when a person dashes across it, and Taliyah has equal waveclear in MID/LATE, preventing Tristana from being able to shove waves and kill the turret. Taliyah is also very strong in Sidelane, since she can, "cheat," CS (kill waves and roam with R) to kill your BOT Lane.
@@lazysean5418 but if th
thats the case humanoid could have play ahri
@@omegaminoseer4539 i can see that but i thought the combo felt too easy to dodge by trist
Oscar and Jun are insane. Sad game turned out that way
41:29 Ass Flash lmao
Its the shirt.
Jun is a monster in this series. Noah tho…
BRO, JUST PICK JAX GAME 3 AND ITS GG, RENEKTON AND TRIPLE ADC FREE WIN. WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH ZAC THEY HAVE 0 DMG AND 0 DPS. HE PICKS CAMILLE SHITS HIS PANTS TO PLAY JAX VS RENEKTON?
Jun renata is so good
Wonder how good Fnc can be if noah step up
Always fun how league fanbase is all around basicily just picking one and blaming him alone. Now noah, before that oscarin, then razork and humma. I am sure they appreciate you watching their games. Why give some positive comment, like dam osca camille was really clean today. or so always gotta just flame someone
Humanoid was pretty dogshit game 3. And Sejuani was not it. It wasn't all Noah's fault.
He had a rough one in lane all 3 games but they also drafted 3 losing matchups which makes it even worse. I mean xayah into varus ashe double hob is absolutely unplayable, remember without him we wouldn't be at MSI
Or if humanoid didnt int game 3
They might last 18 min against T1 then
Humanoid is just leblanc merchant huh
The editor edited this video
I think it's better to FNC in game 3 if they're just run the top strong side. Jun is crazy but they can't take the bot of TES. GGS tho for fnc nice try!!
Where is the anti spoiler plant tho ...
41:29 excuse me rat king, did you just said ASS FLASH?
Bro why is Oscar buying so much mr brooooo
369, S CLASS top laner. LMFAO
saw 3 adcs and said no fk rammus
MAREK BRAZDA
I think you are right. Tian start trolling when he plays major tournaments.
11:15 MARIK PRAZDAAAAAAAAAAA
Did you SEE Jun's Renata dominate TOP Esports?! Absolute MASTERCLASS from FNC's support. #LEC #Fnatic #Jun
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FNC out here saving eu hope for a win in any international in the next 5 years with G2 finally not being the only team we hope for (just hope to see them fight T1 in the finals :D or maybe this is just me wanting to see my favo team T1 win in like sub 17min xD )