Im a revert from Poland Alhamdulilah. Before I wasnt wearing hijab. But now I do. I can tell to anyone who cant see a difference - I see a huge difference!!! None of man is talking to me without my consent in vulgar way like before, no one ask for my number, no one is harrasing me anymore. Once I went out when it was dark I was relaxing on the bench and watching stars - one lad came up to me and was like - yoooo how wre you whats your nameeeeee... but the moment he saw my hijab he said - I apologize sister. Hijab is a wisdom from Allah.
The Youngest military commander in Islam was a black 16 year old who was one of the most beloved companions to the Prophet ﷺ. He gave him command of an army at the age of 16. And after the Prophet ﷺ died the Young commander was marching against the Roman Empire and he carried on to the levant and returned victorious. With no casualties from his side. Back then 16 year olds were different is what am trying to say
@@cyanidecapsule6275 Of course, he spends all his time shouting arrogantly at people, and as soon as someone has a slight chance to consider converting he becomes a different person. This guy is a tool!
My mother got married at the age of 15 she already knew how to make butter,yogurt,bake breads, slaughter a chicken clean and cook it. It was so different back then. Now she’s 63 and get to see all of her 16 grandchildren. These days are so different.
My mum was 12 this was a common practice then Today yes a 12 year old is no where near marriage in the future maturity kwvel could drop to not being ready after 20s so to say a person has to be 18 is nonsense
@@AndromedaBARNARDINO555 Well let me tell you, our mothers were capable of doing so, the issue is that this was practiced since almost the beginning of time and WOMEN HAVE SHOWN that they are indeed capable of mothering at a young age. It is not an issue to discuss really as it is historically a fact. Btw, the brain fully develops at 25 (so imagine preventing people from voting, driving, marrying, basically stripping off their right of being adults till the age of 25 just because their brain didn't fully mature... people (18-24) would definitely not like it. You don't need a fully mature brain to become a mother, you just need to pass the threshold. Almost the same thing with anything in life, you don't need straight As to graduate from school or Straight As to graduate from uni, you just need to pass in most cases. The same thing to us with marriage you need to pass, having a fully matured brain is good but it is not necessary a requirement, and this is agreed upon in all countries nowadays because the age of marriage is 18 and not 25 (the age where the brain fully develops). If you raise your children to be mature at a young age, then they definitely will, and if you raise them to remain children and irresponsible of their actions, then they will definitely be like that as well. It really comes down to how you raise your offsprings. I have seen many young people (13 and less who are way mature than those 25 and above and they obviously have matured more as they grew up, but even at that young age they were responsible enough to get married).
@@AndromedaBARNARDINO555 Hey andro, well you really did not respond to what I have said, but if you are asking about mother Aisha. The prophet PBUH literally taught her the most valuable thing she has and that is our religion. Mother Aisha literally is the most intellectual women in Islam by consensus of all islamic scholar. She has narrated the most amount of Hadith's, and if we were to combine all the narrations narrated by female narrators(including the other wives of the Prophet PBUH), she single handedly outweighs them all. And ALOT and I mean ALOT of those narrations of Mother Aisha was about how the Prophet PBUH used to treat her and how he was nice with her including other aspects of Islam such as cleansing, praying and etc. The goal of marriage is not to learn biology, chemistry or physics (that is what schools are for not marriage). Marriage between a male and a female is about building a union with them (as you previously mentioned) and to have someone to share the sweet and the bitter part of your lives with. By marrying a women at a younger age, you can be her mentor and an early important figure of support in her life while she can remind of your younger self so a stronger bond of attachment between the two of you can develop which will help with the union of the family. And obviously marrying at a younger age will also allow a women to get pregnant earlier; hence, living with her offsprings for a longer period of time which is an amazing thing as mothers (usually) would love to live with their children for longer periods. And regardless of age difference, you can still find common things between the two of you, and she can grow up to love things that you do. Again I know it could be hard for you to grasp because of the times that we are living in now, but again, our ignorance of the past or of different cultures/life styles doesn't necessarily render them as weird, morally incorrect or bad. Hope this helps! And sorry for the long essay.
I never comment on this stuff and only watch highlights but when he said “It’s gotta be intellectual not emotional”. As a Muslim I deeped that still. Jazakallah bro
My grandmother married my grandfather when she was 9 years old and he was 17 years old about 80 years ago and they were perfectly fine the thing that me and my kids couldn't reconcile, how you think you can reconcile something similar happened 1400 years ago
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant. *First Understand 4 things* : 1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) 2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) ✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen. (B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.) Just check this also : Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy. by Meera Kosambi. 3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) 4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
@@scottholder4431 average lifespan that time was mid 20's and the to keep the population 8 births at least were needed from every fertile woman according to statistics + there were no schools. All these circumstances would change alot than people's mentality
My mom got married at 11 had my oldest sibling at 11 btw had them all at home birth because they lived in villages so no hospital to run to and no cars but before she was married she was already cooking milking the cows gardening growing fruits and vegetables rice and grains along with everyone their age and is still with my dad and they always talk about how much at peace it was in the villages until we got attacked they had a happy life not worrying about drugs gangs rape or their kids going off with different men but knowing who they marry and knowing that they are taken care of damn do y’all not see times we’re different back then so why don’t y’all just accept that this is only thing they have to argue about they act as if it’s happening in our times we know our way of life we know the truth so wake up. We are living in different times sheesh but here we are with teenagers sleeping with multiple grown men having babies not knowing who the dad is not being able to Provide for their babies that is a problem so I mean yeah lol I’m still a proud Muslim
@@dawahproof3030 he was a few years older than her. I believe maybe he was 13 or so this was in the 50s. I just think people don’t realize that times are different and the way we read. One thing can have many meanings. We have been given a brain to use to understand. We were not living in those times we have not seen these things happen but we have a brain for example the unseen is apart of Islam that is is apart of the unseen the past the future but how do we look at these things using our brains. The thing is look at all the verses. Do people really use one thing they don’t take the time to really understand or study. Everything thing in the Quran is to benefit us be good for us we are not to force or harm anyone even an insect. So does it make sense to use something that one doesn’t know the true meaning or really use their mind. The Quran is beautiful our prophet pbuh is also a sighn from Allah to be the last. That means we’ve had 1400 to wake up to prepare for the end of the beginning and the end of the began 1400 years ago when we were blessed with the last prophet pbuh and the last book the Quran… every thing that has happened were supposed to happen the corruption of the other books to test our faith adam was already made to be on earth iblees was made to deceive to test our faith and free will… why is it so hard for people to just be good to others and pray prayer is also good for us for our bodies people wake up go the gym 5 am for an hour workout . To pray 5 times a day and we have 24hours in a day all together through out the day it’s about 30 minutes to pray. why are people minds so clouded because they are the ones that have chosen to live wrong that are selfish that don’t think we are here for mere seconds. Why we are promised eternal life in paradise if we just treat other good… and remember our creator just by doing simple daily things. Praying. Helping those in need. Nothing in this world is going with us why when we can have things you can’t even imiagine. Why argue about things your brain is trying to of use to you.
. My sisters and I all learned to cook and take care of the house and children from a young age. Me myself, I knew everything a housewife needed when I was in the fourth grade and I was taking care of my little sister. To compare me to those of my age who have not been educated is foolishness. Certainly learning these things makes you more mature. Yes, a 9-year-old child differs from another because responsibilities accelerate maturity. And if you look at my grandmother and before her, they all married young and built homes from which I and the next generation came, so just because your brain is washed with modernity and Teenager age bullshit, doesn't mean it's on a higher level of morality, it's your morality just keep it to yourselves
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant. *First Understand 4 things* : 1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) 2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) ✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen. (B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.) Just check this also : Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy. by Meera Kosambi. 3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) 4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
I love these type of conversations where the person has a opinion of his own but listens carefully to others and have a beautiful conversation that is helpful for them
I have laughed many times in this video but its goofld positive laughs from seeing 2 different people with 2 different ways of seeing things have a heart to heart conversation about life & both not argue or fight They are both human beings with. Good hearts and know how to talk to other people ❤
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A time will come when one will not care how one gains one's money, legally or illegally." Sahih al-Bukhari 2059
"Invite ˹all˺ to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and kind advice, and only debate with them in the best manner Surely your Lord ˹alone˺ knows best who has strayed from His Way and who is ˹rightly˺ guided." may Allah bless you hamza
@@efyfauzi4421 king Tut ruled the Egyptian empire at 9 ...Queen Hatshepsut RULED at age 12 ..Fatih Sultan Mehmet started to plan to open Kostantinpole aka ISTANBUL AT AGE OF 12 ...MOhammed ibn al qasim made fetih to Pakistan when he was 20 he was the leader of the army meaning it took him years to practice and become a solider may be 5 or 6 or 7 years according to historical facts ....we have 100s of examples that show 1000 years ago there was no teenager it is either child or adult
The best ammunition against this in my opinion is telling the story of the Sahaba who lost his father and was left with several sisters. So at age 11 he married an older divorcee so that his sisters would have a mother figure. Explaining that this rule is universal and not for old men to prey on girls (astaghfirullah) usually works.
I think this guy is trying to understand. And that distinguish this man from people who only debate to only dictate their truths. I hope more videos with this guy keeps coming. Because personally, his questions and Hamza's answers changed my perspective to look at islam.
ITS LIKE WHEN I WAS 9 I WAS LIKE I HAD GO OUT TO WORK CHORES AT DIFFERENT PEOPLE HOUSE AT 9 I HAD TO BABYSIT MY SIBLINGS AND OTHER PEOPLE KIDS AT 10 12 14 I WAS STILL DOING IT ITS LIKE I COULD RUN A HOUSE PLUS COOKING THAT WAS EARLY 60SIXTIES
i like this debate.. i respect this non-muslim believer giving a fair argument. he is arguing, learning and realising at the same time. and he argues respectably. /Hamza cuts him a lot. Hamza can learn some patience and listening skills before butting in (regardless of how time he has heard the same argument from different people).
in Syria my grandmother got married at 12 and me I got married at 16 and I'm now 60 years old My my sister got her period at 9 years old It was like that is Arabic world We grow fast
@dawahproof3030 he was 19 years old. It was normal that time and I witness marriages for teenagers men and women I my self got married wen I was 16 and I'm now 60.
Marriage means… the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).
For me currently, I think It’s easier to explain medieval marriages and how society in 6th century differs to that a 21st. Oh yeah, don’t forget to mention the age of consent in bible as well, Ketannah, etc…
Imagine thinking human development was the same 1400 Imagine trying so hard to hate islam BONUS imagine trying to hate islam on something that is in the bible
when your history Prostition starts at 3 years at 4 years at 5 years with some of the Christians kids , Christians people Sell sell them for money as a slaved-prostittute , there is more but I cant write in here .Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him banned slvng. also what was the age gap marry and husband
My mother was married at age of 9 in 1940 and had a large family, My father took care of us in every possible way he can and raised us in a good moral way. He wasn't chasing kids or was a podophile, It was just the society like that, Girls get taken care of by men and boys help their father, My dad was the first one in our family to send all his kids to school so none of my sisters got married at a young age.
I keep seeing people mention how young their mothers were when they got married, but no one ever mentions the age gap between their mother and father. How old was your father when he married your mother?
@@dawahproof3030 He was 20, but the whole argument is the girls can't marry at young age, which is not true, even in christian countries girls married at very young age, less than 10 yrs old for the same reasons I mentioned, In the UK and certain states in the US you can still marry at age 16 which is by today's standard a child.
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant. *First Understand 4 things* : 1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) 2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) ✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen. (B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.) Just check this also : Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy. by Meera Kosambi. 3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) 4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
I believe Allah Subhanawatallah understands his creation best and knows how a woman feels and how a man feels.....its something very basic about how men view woman and what is being signalled by just a woman's appearance. Hijab also makes a woman feel protected by doing what Allah commands and feels more comfortable to not advertise herself for some unecessary attention or give off the wrong impression....
This seems to be the biggest issue most non-Muslims have with Islam nowadays though, because, as Hamza said, living in the 21st century it is hard to reconcile. Hamza broke it down very well Alhamdulilah
If you accept Allahswt as the one true God, you will accept all of His decree. Any aspects in islam you cant reconcile , you make dua , ask for answers, have sabr(patience) and Allah swt will remove the veils of ignorance.
@@user-gv8xf9ul5j you missed the point of the statement. Quran says there is no compulsion in religion. Undoubtedly God exists. Which God? Read 'The man with the red underwear". It's available free on pdf
@@rooibos786 wow, the design argument. You should probably avoid using this in the future. The problem with this line of argumentation is we determine design by comparing that item with something that is not designed. The analogy in the pdf provided mentions finding a cell phone in the desert. With the design argument, it would be more like finding a cell phone in a desert full of cell phones, it’s all designed. Just stick with personal experience. Philosophical arguments for god all kind of suck
According to the bible Ahaz married when he was 10 years old , and had children when he was 11 years old ... It is stated in Kings 16 : 2 : " Ahaz was twenty years old when he became king , and he reigned 16 years in Jerusalem . From the above , we conclude that Ahaz was 36 years old when his rule ended and his son Hezekiah took over the rule after him.... It is stated in Kings 18 : 2 : " In the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah , king of Israel , Hezekiah the son of Ahaz , king of Judah , became king . He was 25 years old when he became king , and he reigned 29 years in Jerusalem . " From the foregoing , we conclude that Hezekiah was 25 years old when he took power after his father . Thus , when we compare the two previous texts with each other , we conclude that Ahaz was 36 years old at the same time that his son ( Hezekiah ) was 25 years old , meaning that the time difference between their two ages is only 11 years , and therefore we conclude that Ahaz married at the age of ten and had children His son ( Hezekiah ) at the age of 11 years . My regards to your holy bible
please 14:30 i bust out laughin 😂😂😂😂 “a tiger or a cow” and the wedding ring thing, we don’t wear hijab as soon as we get married. so not all woman wearing hijabs are married.
There is a young generation in youtube with barely any descent work but dangerous work in order to survive.Their age range 10 and below. These kids specially in africa answer to the media just like an honest adult mindset. There are plenty more in a poverty country.
To summarize- Quran mentioned the girl has to be physically and mentally fit for marriage. Back then, the standards were different. You cant compare with today! 9 yr old back then vs now are completely different in terms of physical and mental aspect due to society and environment (in times of war, slavery, etc). Back then it wasnt considered immoral because of the standard. Today, yes! It is why Quran doesnt state you can marry a little girl, it states the mental and physical criteria instead!
The guy was saying that ALLAH SWT would've asked MUHAMMAD SAW to not marry Aisha RA until she reaches the age of 17 to avoid allegations today, doesn't make any sense. Because that might have been in accord with today's world but would've been out of touch with reality of that time & might even be for times to come when change the legal age from 17/18 to 20 or beyond. That's why ALLAH SWT didn't gave any number, but set a sensible condition that only marry her if she is mentally & physically able to adhere to what marriage entails. That condition is even valid for those women who reach the age of 18 but are not mentally developed enough to marry, because according to current laws you can marry her legally but Islam prohibits us from doing it because she is not mentally able.
Ok so I think what your saying is (and forgive me if I’m wrong) is that if all my partners/wives happen to be adults and widows etc, but only one of them happens to be a child then that wouldn’t make me a p**do. Is that right ?
People in the past: we judge gender and the limit of marriage age based on biological facts People post industrialization era: No no, only gender should be based on biological facts. Age boundary should be based on what we FEEL as mature.... Gen Z: Neither should be based on biological facts. Everything should be based on what we feel.
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant. *First Understand 4 things* : 1) How to study history? ✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”: " A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties. […] Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error." ( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 ) 2) What is history? Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed. Historically there is no wonder in that. ✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.” (Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85) ✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen. (B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.) Just check this also : Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy. by Meera Kosambi. 3) Why so in history? ✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century: "In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.* It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied." ( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) ) ✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis: "No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”* ( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 ) 4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots. Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this. ✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past. (David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
Personally, I don't care what the age is. What I care is does it fulfill the criteria to be a woman and fit into marriage? If a 40 years old woman but has mentality of a child through and through, then it's forbidden to be involve into marriage.
Aisha was seven years old when she got married to the prophet. Nice of him to wait until she was ten. But the problem with Islam is another one: Never will you find a believer who is willing to criticize elements of his religion. Therefore there is - in core matters - no progress possible. Christianity has overcome this. By fragmenting into two main churches, the catholic one with a rigid system comparable to Islam, and the lutherian side. Latter developed as an explicit critique on the first one. And this legacy is still active. The lutherian churches adapt with modern main stream and try hard to harmonize with the scripture. There are also modern reformative islamic movements. They should get all the attention.
Muslims can always criticize opinions as long as it's aligned with the fundamentals. That's how Islam has four major school of thoughts that are all valid. Islam covers all aspects of life from managing oneself, to doing businesses, to running a country. That's how Muslims can progress gracefully and be firm in themselves and not falling for the likes of progressive woke nonsense.
The problem with the argument is that he keeps looking back into time at older the age but not the conditions. In ancient rome, boys were sometimes marrying at 13 or older because 13 you are considered a man. If you live in a country plagued by war and/or disease and the life expectancy is 40-50 years of age, and rarely do anyone live any longer than that, then you would be expected to have kids really early before you hit (today's standard) of adulthood. The movie Children of the Corn also showed this really well: when the kids screwed up, their lifespan went from 20 years to 18. And i believe it moved again from 18 to younger when they failed to offer up a sacrifice to the demon in the field but they would have children already while be children at this point. Conditions set the society up. And society sets the conditions. We can all agree that murder, no matter what time period, is wrong. But war? Self-defense? Then these reasons are different. We understand these conditions. But age? Almost everyone and their mother have slept around in this society we live in. Age is practically irrelevant in most cases. You are never too young to look after your siblings. Throughout history in certain societies, due to the population, you were never too young to be trained up to go to war. Making up ages like 18 to join the ayband die for your country but must be 21 to drink is so arbitrary because the brain doesnt stop developing until 25. So why have arbitrary numbers for things when people are already doing them at such a young age? Some people dont get their menses until 15-16. In other words, they arent physically mature until their body lets them know it is ready. Im not saying kids should be sleeping around. Im saying dont look back into time when the morals or standards of todays society because if you pulled someone from the past to here, they would call many of us either barbaric or amazing. So watch out
He married her to protect her as she was an orphan. It can only be consummated after the first menstruation. This is the story we were told as children.
Just 140 years ago, age of consent was "10" in 39 different countries in the world by law including USA, Europe. Source: "Children and Youth in History | Age of Consent Laws", Center for History and New Media, University of Missouri-Kansas City. The concept of teenager was invented in the industrial revolution. Before that, all people throughout the world were considered like adults when they reached puberty. Child by definition is below puberty. Aisha was not below puberty: Aisha said: “I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us.” (before marriage) (Sahih al-Bukhari 476) Not just Aisha, other girls at her time and location also got married at her age and no one had a problem with it. ...(More in reply)
"historians are pretty sure that Mary had just entered puberty when Jesus was conceived." Robert Epstein, The Case Against Adolescence: Rediscovering the Adult in Every Teen (Sanger, California: Quill Driver Books, 2007), p. 288. "Puberty in girls usually begins between the ages of 8 and 13" - Healthdirect "The average age for girls to start puberty is 11" - National Health Service So, it's very likely that Mary was around 11-12 when she conceived Jesus. Bible's Old Testament and New Testament indicate the minimal age for marriage of woman is when she reaches puberty: ...(More in next comment)
"I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked." “‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine." (Ezekiel 16:7-8) “But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.” I Corinthians 7:36 (KJV) If someone criticizes, then he has to claim that the norm created in 19th century is the golden & universal standard for all people of all time and everyone in the world before 19th century were immoral including his own ancestors who are the basis of his existence today. The old tradition still exists today, in USA by law! A girl of 9 year old or younger can get married today in USA California by law with parents permission, along with other places. California, USA has no minimum age requirement for marriage. (Had to write in part to avoid getting deleted)
You forgot one important part dear brother, in order to marry a woman need to be a Nisa (mature woman). Aisha was capable in both mind and body to be a mother and wife of Muhammad.
@@renatolopez6337no age for maturity, in Islam maturity is more important than age for marriage (both mentally and physically) It is Allah, not the word
People don’t realize how exceptional of a situation the Prophet’s (ﷺ) marriage to Aisha was. Not only was she considered a woman by the standards of her time and culture, but God himself commanded the Prophet to marry her. She was an extraordinary human being, being more physically and intellectually developed than average. The problem with most atheists is that they don’t trust their own common sense to make the determination whether a person has reached a state of maturity, which happens at individual rates. That’s why they need an age of consent to tell them when it’s okay to start having sex with someone.
If with our eyes we think something is wrong but God says it isn't then there is something with our eyes. It would be arrogant to impose my personal standards upon everyone else. In the point of history where we have moral decay of the highest degree we truly think we were more moral than people 200 years ago?
Benefits of marriage of rasulullah salallahualayuwasallam and aisha radiallahuanha Firstly we found out what the correct criteria for marriage is its not about being 18 16 12 all ages used in west rather it is about a women puberty physical mental maturity and readyness to get married regardless the age womenhood is based on puberty and physical mental development not age alone a 12 year old still may not hit puberty yet a 9 year old may have hit puberty and her mentality will be different to the girl who hasnt gone through puberty due to hormones and mental boost along with physical development Before going to the next part response to even some muslim is that she was not 18 19 at marriage infact she couldnt have been anything older then 12 at marriage so those muslim trying to impress the west you need to fix yourself according to three authentic narrations her age was 6 to 9 at engagement 9 to 12 at marriage and 10 to 13 when she moved in with the prophet salallahualayuwasallam she wouldnt have been anything younger or older those are the possiboe ages, in those days age dispute was common, fatima radiallahuanha the daughter of prophet salallahualayuwasallam narrations show she was born 5 years before or 5 years after prophethood both these are unlikely the more agreed possible date of her birth is born on the year of the prophethood or a year after prophethood had started her husband ali radiallahuanhu its said he was 6 9 or 10 when prophethood began so theres a 4 year gap in his age, uthman radiallahuanhu had a 3 year difference for his year of birth you will see for many sahaba their age is slightly disputed but we have a rough idea on how old they couldve been but no doubt she was nothing older then 12 at marriage and 9 minimum Second benefit of her young marriage was she was of a similar or same age as fatima radiallahuanha the daughter of prophet salallahualayuwasallam depending on which narrations you accept, when she moved in with the prophet salallahualayuwasallam he moved fatima in the same house as aisha radiallahuanha where she quickly became friends with her and would remain close to her even after the prophet salallahualayuwasallam death, also she aisha radiallahuanha got the best of examples to follow there was prophet of allah the best of creation and there was the daughter of the prophet who was one of the four perfect women, she aisha radiallahuanha living with these two great people was a great learning experiance for her in every way she saw how their relationship was their manners good behaviour and in fatima radiallahuanha she had a women to look upto for all this Last benefit to mentioned she lived upto her 60s or 70s where she narrated the second most hadith of sahaba and spread knowledge
@@abdullahassaffah Exactly, So the Prophet COULD NOT marry a nine-year-old girl, because he would have breached the obligation of the consent" clause which makes the Islamic marriage contract valid. Therefore, the Prophet married Aisha when she enjoyed all her intellectual and physical faculties making her a young lady of undeniable middle age.
@@scottholder4431 Yes, In Islam a woman must be consulted for her marriage. His consent is required for the validation of the marriage (Mishakat al Masabiah, translation by James Robson, vol. I, p. 665). Islamically, the prior and credible permission of women is a prerequisite for a marriage to be valid. So... Whatever stretch of the imagination we may invoke to justify the unjustifiable the fact is before our eyes: permission given by an immature girl of six cannot be valid permission for Islamic marriage. It is inconceivable that we can imagine Abu Bakr, a man of great intelligence, sensitivity and exemplary probity, taking seriously the permission of a seven-year-old girl to marry a 50-year-old man. . It is even more inconceivable to imagine the Prophet giving credence to the permission given by a young girl who, according to a hadith accepted as such by Muslims, took her toys with her when she went to live with the Prophet as his wife.
Hamza.... Tell him about Baligh.... Is when the woman had first menstruate in a different age.... Around 9 to 12 years old.... Then the woman is already or supposed to be had mental and physically to be married.
Rob is questioning why Islam doesn't prescribe a set age, like 18, for marriage. What he is not considering is that Islam emphasizes marrying when individuals are physically and mentally mature. The emphasis is on readiness rather than adhering strictly to a specific age. If, in the future, societal changes lead to girls reaching physical maturity later, say at 25, Rob need to reconsider his perspective, understanding that Islam prioritizes maturity over a rigid age requirement.
12:41 actually the avg age of puberty of teens differ from counties while we are in tye same year , now imagine 1400 years ago of it will be different 😂
3:53 CAREFUL THERE. Assalamu alaikum. What he ﷺ did wasn't wrong. By today's standard, yes but are today's standards correct? Subjective. As you said in part 1, is the walking Qur'an, so whatever he does is correct. Objectively. You should have added this, I believe. Not to take anything away from what you do. I just wanted to suggest this. May allah bless you and elevate you in ranks
Its disgusting to realize that the person arguing with Hamza is thinking only about Physical intimacy aka Sex in a Marriage and NOT about all the other aspects of a Marriage.
This is how they have been bought up movies teach them marriage is only about sex which is false marriage os more then just sex and in thr past especially marriages were done for various purposes including political reasons social reasons etc sometimes two non Muslim kingdoms would make peace by marriage between their children
You think people before schooling systems were running around and playing video games for first 18 years? 😂 I swear go to Afghanistan or Pakistan, 18 years old from Urban area thinks and calls 18 years old from Rural area as " Uncle" because of the growth/appearance...By the way when Muslims says that "It depends on the mental maturity and physical maturity" it actually means that some girls might not be ready at 30 years old and some will be ready even before 18years depending on the circumstances!!
People be playing video games at 25 all the way upto freaking 30 years and beyond in some cases, so setting a fixed age for marriage is plainly retarded irrespective of timeline and/or era. The Qur'an sets a standard that transcends timelines and boundries of eras. So if people mature physically at 14 and mature mentally at 30 then the age is set to 30 for marriage by that standard. Simple logic and rationality.
there are muslim who drink alcohol and there other religion who never take alcohol but he said muslim not allow alcohol..... it depends on person not on religion....
For this guy logic of "Having a ring is enough" - i know someone, she has condition that prevents her from wearing gold or silver, it irritates the SKIN so what is the come back to this one lol
@@DestinyAwaits19 Physically? Yes. Mentally? no. We live in an age where children are not given responsibility at all, untill they hit 18 and shocked by the real world. 1400 years that wasn't the case and so peaple matured faster.
@@DestinyAwaits19 True, but then you go down a deep rabbit hole of what exactly is a child? Who decides that? Because humanity sure doesn't have a global definition of that word.
@@zizu-lakaka She was playing with dolls. She was a little girl regardless of how you look at the matter. I know you're probably very close to your religion, and deen is everything to you, but your prophet was a child molestor.
The way he interpreted the arranged marriage just shows how messed the future generation is going to be....he would mind if his daighter fallsnin love with a lost bum...he would give his rights to a bum which would cause her them not to last very long results in divorce...prevenet better than cure...like always
Life expectancy in the dark ages was 25/26. Now it's around 70/80. Boys would go to battles at the age of 10. Marriage was around 12 in the dark ages. 13/14 year old was having children. So when you take all this into account. Life was very short. Aishas age ranges between 9 right up to 18/19 depending on recordings and accountability. That being said there is no credibility for direct evidence of her age. My main point in this. Islam is tarnished a lot in the west just on this situation alone.
Was it though? That's the mainstream science lie. The life expectancy have nothing to do with this that's first of all, secondly people weren't dying at 25. Historically.
Mental maturity is subjective and can't be never really be sure about at what point maturity is completed or enough. That's to say, we never can know when a 9 year old acquired mental maturity but we can always know a 9 year old acquired physical maturity. Given that she doesn't have specific disease that causing premature puberty, at that point the one who is interested in marriage must think of her well being than whether or not she is having puberty. And lastly, assuming a 9 year old can have intercourse without getting injured, in that situation sex with 9 year old is forbidden regardless of puberty because harming anyone is forbidden and the wife is even more so, as she supposed to be in a safe place with her husband.
Hamza should of just says to him it is better to cover themself because some men might find them attractive and might start findng faults in his own wife causing issues...so its better to prevent than cure
And yeah the hijab was never about us men looking to other women in a way because if you are Muslim man you wouldn't as for others people also no because it's a religion thing like hamza said you can not drag a nun of course not unless you are an animal, but hijab is a sign form a woman to الله that she obeys him and fear him because it was an order to her by him to wear it by her own choice, it is simple.
Im a revert from Poland Alhamdulilah. Before I wasnt wearing hijab. But now I do. I can tell to anyone who cant see a difference - I see a huge difference!!! None of man is talking to me without my consent in vulgar way like before, no one ask for my number, no one is harrasing me anymore. Once I went out when it was dark I was relaxing on the bench and watching stars - one lad came up to me and was like - yoooo how wre you whats your nameeeeee... but the moment he saw my hijab he said - I apologize sister. Hijab is a wisdom from Allah.
baraka allah feeke sister. Poland is very hard country to be a muslim in i applaude you for that
Not only that but also it shows how much you obey and fear الله between the lines it was about this.
@MNNMMNNMMNNM the bible say women should cover their hair or shave. Christians changed gods law to fit their desires
Masha allah sister. Proud
So if he didn’t see a covering on your head he would have carried on, this tells me everything I need to know
The Youngest military commander in Islam was a black 16 year old who was one of the most beloved companions to the Prophet ﷺ. He gave him command of an army at the age of 16. And after the Prophet ﷺ died the Young commander was marching against the Roman Empire and he carried on to the levant and returned victorious. With no casualties from his side.
Back then 16 year olds were different is what am trying to say
and there were 12 and 13 year olds also
and Aisha help in the battles when she was 11
Even some warriors and crusaders back then was at the same age
The ending of this video and the hugs gave me goosebumps man , may Allah guide him to Islam, he is a fantastic guy.
Of course, he starts to hug him thinking I have a chance to convert him!
@@envercelik1Sleep.
@@cyanidecapsule6275 Of course, he spends all his time shouting arrogantly at people, and as soon as someone has a slight chance to consider converting he becomes a different person. This guy is a tool!
@@whitedragon7436 Brainwashed!
My mother got married at the age of 15 she already knew how to make butter,yogurt,bake breads, slaughter a chicken clean and cook it. It was so different back then. Now she’s 63 and get to see all of her 16 grandchildren. These days are so different.
My mum was 12 this was a common practice then
Today yes a 12 year old is no where near marriage in the future maturity kwvel could drop to not being ready after 20s so to say a person has to be 18 is nonsense
@@AndromedaBARNARDINO555 Well let me tell you, our mothers were capable of doing so, the issue is that this was practiced since almost the beginning of time and WOMEN HAVE SHOWN that they are indeed capable of mothering at a young age. It is not an issue to discuss really as it is historically a fact. Btw, the brain fully develops at 25 (so imagine preventing people from voting, driving, marrying, basically stripping off their right of being adults till the age of 25 just because their brain didn't fully mature... people (18-24) would definitely not like it. You don't need a fully mature brain to become a mother, you just need to pass the threshold. Almost the same thing with anything in life, you don't need straight As to graduate from school or Straight As to graduate from uni, you just need to pass in most cases.
The same thing to us with marriage you need to pass, having a fully matured brain is good but it is not necessary a requirement, and this is agreed upon in all countries nowadays because the age of marriage is 18 and not 25 (the age where the brain fully develops). If you raise your children to be mature at a young age, then they definitely will, and if you raise them to remain children and irresponsible of their actions, then they will definitely be like that as well. It really comes down to how you raise your offsprings. I have seen many young people (13 and less who are way mature than those 25 and above and they obviously have matured more as they grew up, but even at that young age they were responsible enough to get married).
@@AndromedaBARNARDINO555 Hey andro, well you really did not respond to what I have said, but if you are asking about mother Aisha. The prophet PBUH literally taught her the most valuable thing she has and that is our religion. Mother Aisha literally is the most intellectual women in Islam by consensus of all islamic scholar. She has narrated the most amount of Hadith's, and if we were to combine all the narrations narrated by female narrators(including the other wives of the Prophet PBUH), she single handedly outweighs them all. And ALOT and I mean ALOT of those narrations of Mother Aisha was about how the Prophet PBUH used to treat her and how he was nice with her including other aspects of Islam such as cleansing, praying and etc. The goal of marriage is not to learn biology, chemistry or physics (that is what schools are for not marriage).
Marriage between a male and a female is about building a union with them (as you previously mentioned) and to have someone to share the sweet and the bitter part of your lives with. By marrying a women at a younger age, you can be her mentor and an early important figure of support in her life while she can remind of your younger self so a stronger bond of attachment between the two of you can develop which will help with the union of the family. And obviously marrying at a younger age will also allow a women to get pregnant earlier; hence, living with her offsprings for a longer period of time which is an amazing thing as mothers (usually) would love to live with their children for longer periods. And regardless of age difference, you can still find common things between the two of you, and she can grow up to love things that you do. Again I know it could be hard for you to grasp because of the times that we are living in now, but again, our ignorance of the past or of different cultures/life styles doesn't necessarily render them as weird, morally incorrect or bad. Hope this helps! And sorry for the long essay.
Poor mother, her childhood was taken from her
@@multiVgames poor western women, they have to do DNA test to find out their kid's father.
That Brother Rob is a sincere man, seeking the truth. May Allah guide him and guide his family. May Allah bless him and his family. Aameen
I never comment on this stuff and only watch highlights but when he said “It’s gotta be intellectual not emotional”. As a Muslim I deeped that still. Jazakallah bro
It's not intellectual to think a man who had sex with a 9 year old is your best moral example.
Still paedophilia
My grandmother married my grandfather when she was 9 years old and he was 17 years old about 80 years ago and they were perfectly fine the thing that me and my kids couldn't reconcile, how you think you can reconcile something similar happened 1400 years ago
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant.
*First Understand 4 things* :
1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen.
(B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.)
Just check this also :
Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy.
by Meera Kosambi.
3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
Those days girls were fine marryimg at.nine
But 1400 years ago all girls aged nine becomes pregnant at nine years and they have happy life
@@scottholder4431 average lifespan that time was mid 20's and the to keep the population 8 births at least were needed from every fertile woman according to statistics + there were no schools. All these circumstances would change alot than people's mentality
Read Aadaab Ash Shafee where it is mention that girls aged nine used to become pregnant at nine years
My mom got married at 11 had my oldest sibling at 11 btw had them all at home birth because they lived in villages so no hospital to run to and no cars but before she was married she was already cooking milking the cows gardening growing fruits and vegetables rice and grains along with everyone their age and is still with my dad and they always talk about how much at peace it was in the villages until we got attacked they had a happy life not worrying about drugs gangs rape or their kids going off with different men but knowing who they marry and knowing that they are taken care of damn do y’all not see times we’re different back then so why don’t y’all just accept that this is only thing they have to argue about they act as if it’s happening in our times we know our way of life we know the truth so wake up. We are living in different times sheesh but here we are with teenagers sleeping with multiple grown men having babies not knowing who the dad is not being able to Provide for their babies that is a problem so I mean yeah lol I’m still a proud Muslim
Mashallahhh
totally not normal.
@@lenicois909for westerners yes but sorry world is not all western
How old was your father when he married your mother?
@@dawahproof3030 he was a few years older than her. I believe maybe he was 13 or so this was in the 50s. I just think people don’t realize that times are different and the way we read. One thing can have many meanings. We have been given a brain to use to understand. We were not living in those times we have not seen these things happen but we have a brain for example the unseen is apart of Islam that is is apart of the unseen the past the future but how do we look at these things using our brains. The thing is look at all the verses. Do people really use one thing they don’t take the time to really understand or study. Everything thing in the Quran is to benefit us be good for us we are not to force or harm anyone even an insect. So does it make sense to use something that one doesn’t know the true meaning or really use their mind. The Quran is beautiful our prophet pbuh is also a sighn from Allah to be the last. That means we’ve had 1400 to wake up to prepare for the end of the beginning and the end of the began 1400 years ago when we were blessed with the last prophet pbuh and the last book the Quran… every thing that has happened were supposed to happen the corruption of the other books to test our faith adam was already made to be on earth iblees was made to deceive to test our faith and free will… why is it so hard for people to just be good to others and pray prayer is also good for us for our bodies people wake up go the gym 5 am for an hour workout . To pray 5 times a day and we have 24hours in a day all together through out the day it’s about 30 minutes to pray. why are people minds so clouded because they are the ones that have chosen to live wrong that are selfish that don’t think we are here for mere seconds. Why we are promised eternal life in paradise if we just treat other good… and remember our creator just by doing simple daily things. Praying. Helping those in need. Nothing in this world is going with us why when we can have things you can’t even imiagine. Why argue about things your brain is trying to of use to you.
I got married at 21 because I was mentally and physically ready, yet I got judged by some non Muslims & friends that's young.
I learn so much from you! Keep spreading the deen! Inshallah
. My sisters and I all learned to cook and take care of the house and children from a young age. Me myself, I knew everything a housewife needed when I was in the fourth grade and I was taking care of my little sister. To compare me to those of my age who have not been educated is foolishness. Certainly learning these things makes you more mature. Yes, a 9-year-old child differs from another because responsibilities accelerate maturity.
And if you look at my grandmother and before her, they all married young and built homes from which I and the next generation came, so just because your brain is washed with modernity and Teenager age bullshit, doesn't mean it's on a higher level of morality, it's your morality just keep it to yourselves
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant.
*First Understand 4 things* :
1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen.
(B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.)
Just check this also :
Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy.
by Meera Kosambi.
3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
I love these type of conversations where the person has a opinion of his own but listens carefully to others and have a beautiful conversation that is helpful for them
In 1396 negotiations started about marrying six-year-old Isabella to the widower Richard II, King of England (1367-1400).
love this guy, machallah , much love from Tunisia brother
The dude who blocked the sun is the unsung hero of this video
I have laughed many times in this video but its goofld positive laughs from seeing 2 different people with 2 different ways of seeing things have a heart to heart conversation about life & both not argue or fight
They are both human beings with. Good hearts and know how to talk to other people ❤
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "A time will come when one will not care how one gains one's money, legally or illegally."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2059
How much money would you take to turn on your prophet?
Alhamdulillah hamza I like your debates very interesting keep up the good work brother 👆🤲
People today allow their daughters run through 50 men at the age of 13 without marriage but cannot accept a marriage at an early age.
One of the nicest and fairest talks not a debate two humans talking different subjects proper respectful of each other 👊🏽
Yea I love it we need more of it here in America but sadly people fight each other over being repub or demo
بارك الله فيك
Beautiful hamza as always may ALLAH bless you
"Invite ˹all˺ to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and kind advice, and only debate with them in the best manner
Surely your Lord ˹alone˺ knows best who has strayed from His Way and who is ˹rightly˺ guided."
may Allah bless you hamza
The spartans became soldier at 7. It was different back then.
No they didn’t. They started education and training. They didn’t become a Spartan soldier until the age of 20.
@@BennyBlanco481 yeah, what do you think their training like?
@@efyfauzi4421 king Tut ruled the Egyptian empire at 9 ...Queen Hatshepsut RULED at age 12 ..Fatih Sultan Mehmet started to plan to open Kostantinpole aka ISTANBUL AT AGE OF 12 ...MOhammed ibn al qasim made fetih to Pakistan when he was 20 he was the leader of the army meaning it took him years to practice and become a solider may be 5 or 6 or 7 years according to historical facts ....we have 100s of examples that show 1000 years ago there was no teenager it is either child or adult
The best ammunition against this in my opinion is telling the story of the Sahaba who lost his father and was left with several sisters. So at age 11 he married an older divorcee so that his sisters would have a mother figure. Explaining that this rule is universal and not for old men to prey on girls (astaghfirullah) usually works.
Lets pray to this brother ! ❤❤❤
For this brother
I think this guy is trying to understand. And that distinguish this man from people who only debate to only dictate their truths. I hope more videos with this guy keeps coming. Because personally, his questions and Hamza's answers changed my perspective to look at islam.
This is a difficult topic. Kudos to Hamza
This has to be the best vid of Hamza’s that I’ve watched. Lots of love to Muslims out there ❤
ITS LIKE WHEN I WAS 9 I WAS LIKE I HAD GO OUT TO WORK CHORES AT DIFFERENT PEOPLE HOUSE AT 9 I HAD TO BABYSIT MY SIBLINGS AND OTHER PEOPLE KIDS AT 10 12 14 I WAS STILL DOING IT ITS LIKE I COULD RUN A HOUSE PLUS COOKING THAT WAS EARLY 60SIXTIES
Alhumdulillah nicely done ❤😊
May Allah guide this brother
جزاكم الله خيرا
i like this debate.. i respect this non-muslim believer giving a fair argument. he is arguing, learning and realising at the same time. and he argues respectably. /Hamza cuts him a lot. Hamza can learn some patience and listening skills before butting in (regardless of how time he has heard the same argument from different people).
Brilliant comment. Hamza’s standing right next to the poor bloke shouting his head off every time a little switch goes off in his brain 😂
Characteristics of life was different back then. What is wrong and right changes over time to make the world a better place. We become a new species.
in Syria my grandmother got married at 12 and me I got married at 16 and I'm now 60 years old
My my sister got her period at 9 years old
It was like that is Arabic world
We grow fast
Defending a 50 year old man having sex with a 9 year old is sickening.
How old was your grandfather when he married your grandmother at age 12?
@dawahproof3030 he was 19 years old. It was normal that time and I witness marriages for teenagers men and women I my self got married wen I was 16 and I'm now 60.
Yeah but I am sure that people who think like you support sugar daddies and sugar mommies. Dont lie to yourself. 😒
Marriage means… the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).
For me currently, I think It’s easier to explain medieval marriages and how society in 6th century differs to that a 21st. Oh yeah, don’t forget to mention the age of consent in bible as well, Ketannah, etc…
Imagine trying to defend a 50 year old sleeping with a 9 year old.
Imagine thinking human development was the same 1400
Imagine trying so hard to hate islam
BONUS imagine trying to hate islam on something that is in the bible
when your history Prostition starts at 3 years at 4 years at 5 years with some of the Christians kids , Christians people
Sell sell them for money as a slaved-prostittute , there is more but I cant write in here .Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him banned slvng. also what was the age gap marry and husband
My mother was married at age of 9 in 1940 and had a large family, My father took care of us in every possible way he can and raised us in a good moral way. He wasn't chasing kids or was a podophile, It was just the society like that, Girls get taken care of by men and boys help their father, My dad was the first one in our family to send all his kids to school so none of my sisters got married at a young age.
I keep seeing people mention how young their mothers were when they got married, but no one ever mentions the age gap between their mother and father. How old was your father when he married your mother?
@@dawahproof3030 He was 20, but the whole argument is the girls can't marry at young age, which is not true, even in christian countries girls married at very young age, less than 10 yrs old for the same reasons I mentioned, In the UK and certain states in the US you can still marry at age 16 which is by today's standard a child.
At @10:00 it's called presentism, (judging past with today's standards.)
Convey message of Islam to all people of the world and to everyone who will come also convey message of Islam to all world leaders..........
america has 7 states that has no minimum age of marriage with parents consent.
@@scottholder4431what are you Scott, a Christian?
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant.
*First Understand 4 things* :
1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen.
(B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.)
Just check this also :
Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy.
by Meera Kosambi.
3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
I believe Allah Subhanawatallah understands his creation best and knows how a woman feels and how a man feels.....its something very basic about how men view woman and what is being signalled by just a woman's appearance. Hijab also makes a woman feel protected by doing what Allah commands and feels more comfortable to not advertise herself for some unecessary attention or give off the wrong impression....
We need a second debate, this is old😉
This seems to be the biggest issue most non-Muslims have with Islam nowadays though, because, as Hamza said, living in the 21st century it is hard to reconcile. Hamza broke it down very well Alhamdulilah
Great discussion mashallah
If you accept Allahswt as the one true God, you will accept all of His decree.
Any aspects in islam you cant reconcile , you make dua , ask for answers, have sabr(patience) and Allah swt will remove the veils of ignorance.
We accept propositions based on evidence. The evidence for the abrahamic god and the claims about it are absolute garbage
@@user-gv8xf9ul5j you missed the point of the statement.
Quran says there is no compulsion in religion.
Undoubtedly God exists.
Which God?
Read 'The man with the red underwear". It's available free on pdf
@@rooibos786 wow, the design argument. You should probably avoid using this in the future. The problem with this line of argumentation is we determine design by comparing that item with something that is not designed. The analogy in the pdf provided mentions finding a cell phone in the desert. With the design argument, it would be more like finding a cell phone in a desert full of cell phones, it’s all designed. Just stick with personal experience. Philosophical arguments for god all kind of suck
Thank you brothers
الحمدلله رب العالمين والصلاة والسلام على أشرف المرسلين سيدنا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه أجمعين
SubhanaAllah
Well done brother
I think I've already watched this discussion. I was thinking it's another recent upload..
Rob's got nice character. May Allah guide him
According to the bible Ahaz married when he was 10 years old , and had children when he was 11 years old ... It is stated in Kings 16 : 2 : " Ahaz was twenty years old when he became king , and he reigned 16 years in Jerusalem . From the above , we conclude that Ahaz was 36 years old when his rule ended and his son Hezekiah took over the rule after him....
It is stated in Kings 18 : 2 : " In the third year of Hoshea the son of Elah , king of Israel , Hezekiah the son of Ahaz , king of Judah , became king . He was 25 years old when he became king , and he reigned 29 years in Jerusalem . " From the foregoing , we conclude that Hezekiah was 25 years old when he took power after his father . Thus , when we compare the two previous texts with each other , we conclude that Ahaz was 36 years old at the same time that his son ( Hezekiah ) was 25 years old , meaning that the time difference between their two ages is only 11 years , and therefore we conclude that Ahaz married at the age of ten and had children His son ( Hezekiah ) at the age of 11 years . My regards to your holy bible
I would call that a Happy End
At aged 10 I was helping my mom with my baby sister and house chores and I started cooking
please 14:30 i bust out laughin 😂😂😂😂 “a tiger or a cow”
and the wedding ring thing, we don’t wear hijab as soon as we get married. so not all woman wearing hijabs are married.
There is a young generation in youtube with barely any descent work but dangerous work in order to survive.Their age range 10 and below. These kids specially in africa answer to the media just like an honest adult mindset. There are plenty more in a poverty country.
Also, the fact that 2 men proposed peace to Aisha before the prophet Muhammad is upon him, proposed to her.
A prophet proposed to a toddler…way to go Uncle Mo
Brother.. i have so many questions... how can we contact? ❤❤❤
To summarize- Quran mentioned the girl has to be physically and mentally fit for marriage. Back then, the standards were different. You cant compare with today! 9 yr old back then vs now are completely different in terms of physical and mental aspect due to society and environment (in times of war, slavery, etc). Back then it wasnt considered immoral because of the standard. Today, yes! It is why Quran doesnt state you can marry a little girl, it states the mental and physical criteria instead!
man keep returning to 21th century standard, even tho he agreed 21th century and 7th century was massively different mentally.
The guy was saying that ALLAH SWT would've asked MUHAMMAD SAW to not marry Aisha RA until she reaches the age of 17 to avoid allegations today, doesn't make any sense. Because that might have been in accord with today's world but would've been out of touch with reality of that time & might even be for times to come when change the legal age from 17/18 to 20 or beyond. That's why ALLAH SWT didn't gave any number, but set a sensible condition that only marry her if she is mentally & physically able to adhere to what marriage entails.
That condition is even valid for those women who reach the age of 18 but are not mentally developed enough to marry, because according to current laws you can marry her legally but Islam prohibits us from doing it because she is not mentally able.
Ok so I think what your saying is (and forgive me if I’m wrong) is that if all my partners/wives happen to be adults and widows etc, but only one of them happens to be a child then that wouldn’t make me a p**do. Is that right ?
People in the past:
we judge gender and the limit of marriage age based on biological facts
People post industrialization era:
No no, only gender should be based on biological facts. Age boundary should be based on what we FEEL as mature....
Gen Z:
Neither should be based on biological facts. Everything should be based on what we feel.
Why the debate around the age of Aisha(r), the Prophet’s wife, is irrelevant.
*First Understand 4 things* :
1) How to study history?
✅Ibn Khaldun mentions something quite important which we must keep in mind, especially when discussing this “issue”:
" A hidden pitfall in historiography is disregard for the fact that conditions within the nations and races change with the change of periods and the passing of days … The condition of the world and of nations, their customs and sects, does not persist in the same form or in a constant manner. There are differences according to days and periods, and changes from one condition to another. This is the case with individuals, times, and cities, and, in the same manner, it happens in connection with regions and districts, periods and dynasties.
[…]
Analogical reasoning and comparison are well known to human nature. They are not safe from error. Together with forgetfulness and negligence, they sway man from his purpose and divert him from his goal. Often, someone who has learned a good deal of past history remains unaware of the changes that conditions have undergone. Without a moment’s hesitation, he applies his knowledge (of the present) to the historical information and measures the historical information by the things he has observed with his own eyes, although the difference between the two is great. Consequently, he falls into an abyss of error."
( Diwan al-Mubtada’ wa al-Khabr p. 24-26 )
2) What is history?
Early marriage is practiced all over the world, regardless of caste or creed.
Historically there is no wonder in that.
✅"In fact, until the mid 1960s, the legal age of consent in Delaware was 7 (Kling, 1965: 216). So a 50 year old man could legally have sexual intercourse with a 7 year old boy or girl.”
(Anthony Joseph Paul Cortese , Opposing Hate , page 85)
✅The 1921 census report shows the horror of the previous situation in India. According to it, 612 of the Hindu widows were under the age of one year. According to the census report, 2024 Hindu widows are under the age of five, 97,857 are under the age of ten and 3,32,024 are under the age of fifteen.
(B.S. Nagi: Op.Cit, Page 2.)
Just check this also :
Girl-Brides and Socio-Legal Change: Age of Consent Bill (1891) Controversy.
by Meera Kosambi.
3) Why so in history?
✅Neil Postman explains, that the modern concept of "childhood" is a recent social construct that did not exist before the 20th century:
"In an oral world there is not much of a concept of an adult and, therefore, even less of a child. And that is why, in all the sources, one finds that in the Middle Ages *childhood ended at age seven.* Why seven? Because that is the age at which children have command over speech. They can say and understand what adults can say and understand. They are able to know all the secrets of the tongue, which are the only secrets they need to know. And this helps us to explain why the *Catholic Church designated age seven as the age at which one was assumed to know the difference between right and wrong, the age of reason.*
It also helps us to explain why, until the seventeenth century, the words used to denote young males could refer to men of thirty, forty, or fifty, for there was no word-in French, German, or English-for a young male between the ages of seven and sixteen. The word child expressed kinship, not an age. But most of all, the oralism of the Middle Ages helps us to explain why there were no primary schools. For where biology determines communication competence, there is no need for such schools…The medieval way of learning is the way of the oralist; it occurs essentially through apprenticeship and service-what we would call “on-the-job training.” Such schools as existed were characterized by a “lack of gradation in the curricula according to the difficulty of the subject matter, the simultaneity with which subjects were taught, the mixing of the ages, and the liberty of the pupils.” If a medieval child got to school, he would have begun as late as age ten, probably later. He would have lived on his own in lodgings in the town, far from his family. It would have been common for him to find in his class adults of all ages, and he would not have perceived himself as different from them. He certainly would not have found any correspondence between the ages of students and what they studied."
( Dr. Neil Postman, The Disappearance of Childhood (1982) )
✅Here is an important citation which explains how one can’t compare childhood and maturity of today to the past as mentioned Professor Mary Lewis:
"No matter what period we are examining, childhood is more than a biological age, but a series of social and cultural events and experiences that make up a child’s life...The time at which these transitions take place varies from one culture to another, and has a bearing on the level of interaction children have with their environment, their exposure to disease and trauma, and their contribution to the economic status of their family and society. The Western view of childhood, where children do not commit violence and are asexual, has been challenged by studies of children that show them learning to use weapons or being depicted in sexual poses...What is clear is that *we cannot simply transpose our view of childhood directly onto the past.”*
( Mary Lewis, The Bioarchaeology of Children: Perspectives from Biological and Forensic Anthropology p. 4 )
4) Those who say nonsense without knowing any of this are just idiots.
Such people's arguments are just fallacies.There is no place for such nonsense in the academic world, social media idiots understand this.
✅Presentism-an anachronistic misinterpretation of history based on present-day circumstances that did not exist in the past.
(David H. Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper & Row Publishers, 1970), pp. 135-140.)
historical researches indicates that aicha (rta) was either 18 or 19 yaers old when she consumed marriage
Personally, I don't care what the age is. What I care is does it fulfill the criteria to be a woman and fit into marriage? If a 40 years old woman but has mentality of a child through and through, then it's forbidden to be involve into marriage.
Aisha was seven years old when she got married to the prophet. Nice of him to wait until she was ten.
But the problem with Islam is another one: Never will you find a believer who is willing to criticize elements of his religion. Therefore there is - in core matters - no progress possible. Christianity has overcome this. By fragmenting into two main churches, the catholic one with a rigid system comparable to Islam, and the lutherian side. Latter developed as an explicit critique on the first one. And this legacy is still active. The lutherian churches adapt with modern main stream and try hard to harmonize with the scripture. There are also modern reformative islamic movements. They should get all the attention.
Muslims can always criticize opinions as long as it's aligned with the fundamentals. That's how Islam has four major school of thoughts that are all valid.
Islam covers all aspects of life from managing oneself, to doing businesses, to running a country. That's how Muslims can progress gracefully and be firm in themselves and not falling for the likes of progressive woke nonsense.
The problem with the argument is that he keeps looking back into time at older the age but not the conditions.
In ancient rome, boys were sometimes marrying at 13 or older because 13 you are considered a man.
If you live in a country plagued by war and/or disease and the life expectancy is 40-50 years of age, and rarely do anyone live any longer than that, then you would be expected to have kids really early before you hit (today's standard) of adulthood.
The movie Children of the Corn also showed this really well: when the kids screwed up, their lifespan went from 20 years to 18. And i believe it moved again from 18 to younger when they failed to offer up a sacrifice to the demon in the field but they would have children already while be children at this point. Conditions set the society up. And society sets the conditions.
We can all agree that murder, no matter what time period, is wrong. But war? Self-defense? Then these reasons are different. We understand these conditions. But age? Almost everyone and their mother have slept around in this society we live in. Age is practically irrelevant in most cases. You are never too young to look after your siblings. Throughout history in certain societies, due to the population, you were never too young to be trained up to go to war. Making up ages like 18 to join the ayband die for your country but must be 21 to drink is so arbitrary because the brain doesnt stop developing until 25. So why have arbitrary numbers for things when people are already doing them at such a young age? Some people dont get their menses until 15-16. In other words, they arent physically mature until their body lets them know it is ready. Im not saying kids should be sleeping around. Im saying dont look back into time when the morals or standards of todays society because if you pulled someone from the past to here, they would call many of us either barbaric or amazing. So watch out
As an advise from a brother, I DON'T recommend following Yaqueen institution or any member belonging to it.
He married her to protect her as she was an orphan. It can only be consummated after the first menstruation. This is the story we were told as children.
Just 140 years ago, age of consent was "10" in 39 different countries in the world by law including USA, Europe.
Source:
"Children and Youth in History | Age of Consent Laws", Center for History and New Media, University of Missouri-Kansas City.
The concept of teenager was invented in the industrial revolution. Before that, all people throughout the world were considered like adults when they reached puberty.
Child by definition is below puberty. Aisha was not below puberty:
Aisha said: “I had seen my parents following Islam since I attained the age of puberty. Not a day passed but the Prophet visited us.” (before marriage)
(Sahih al-Bukhari 476)
Not just Aisha, other girls at her time and location also got married at her age and no one had a problem with it.
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"historians are pretty sure that Mary had just entered puberty when Jesus was conceived."
Robert Epstein, The Case Against Adolescence: Rediscovering the Adult in Every Teen (Sanger, California: Quill Driver Books, 2007), p. 288.
"Puberty in girls usually begins between the ages of 8 and 13"
- Healthdirect
"The average age for girls to start puberty is 11"
- National Health Service
So, it's very likely that Mary was around 11-12 when she conceived Jesus.
Bible's Old Testament and New Testament indicate the minimal age for marriage of woman is when she reaches puberty:
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"I made you grow like a plant of the field. You grew and developed and entered puberty. Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown, yet you were stark naked."
“‘Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine."
(Ezekiel 16:7-8)
“But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry.”
I Corinthians 7:36 (KJV)
If someone criticizes, then he has to claim that the norm created in 19th century is the golden & universal standard for all people of all time and everyone in the world before 19th century were immoral including his own ancestors who are the basis of his existence today.
The old tradition still exists today, in USA by law! A girl of 9 year old or younger can get married today in USA California by law with parents permission, along with other places. California, USA has no minimum age requirement for marriage.
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@@AdrianMuslim
- Is six years old, old enough for marriage?
- Is the word of al lah eternal?
You forgot one important part dear brother, in order to marry a woman need to be a Nisa (mature woman). Aisha was capable in both mind and body to be a mother and wife of Muhammad.
@@renatolopez6337no age for maturity, in Islam maturity is more important than age for marriage (both mentally and physically)
It is Allah, not the word
baraka ALLAHU fik
People don’t realize how exceptional of a situation the Prophet’s (ﷺ) marriage to Aisha was. Not only was she considered a woman by the standards of her time and culture, but God himself commanded the Prophet to marry her. She was an extraordinary human being, being more physically and intellectually developed than average. The problem with most atheists is that they don’t trust their own common sense to make the determination whether a person has reached a state of maturity, which happens at individual rates. That’s why they need an age of consent to tell them when it’s okay to start having sex with someone.
If with our eyes we think something is wrong but God says it isn't then there is something with our eyes. It would be arrogant to impose my personal standards upon everyone else. In the point of history where we have moral decay of the highest degree we truly think we were more moral than people 200 years ago?
who says Aysha's age was 9 ? this is not correct.. she was 17 or 18 when married.
Benefits of marriage of rasulullah salallahualayuwasallam and aisha radiallahuanha
Firstly we found out what the correct criteria for marriage is its not about being 18 16 12 all ages used in west rather it is about a women puberty physical mental maturity and readyness to get married regardless the age womenhood is based on puberty and physical mental development not age alone a 12 year old still may not hit puberty yet a 9 year old may have hit puberty and her mentality will be different to the girl who hasnt gone through puberty due to hormones and mental boost along with physical development
Before going to the next part response to even some muslim is that she was not 18 19 at marriage infact she couldnt have been anything older then 12 at marriage so those muslim trying to impress the west you need to fix yourself according to three authentic narrations her age was 6 to 9 at engagement 9 to 12 at marriage and 10 to 13 when she moved in with the prophet salallahualayuwasallam she wouldnt have been anything younger or older those are the possiboe ages, in those days age dispute was common, fatima radiallahuanha the daughter of prophet salallahualayuwasallam narrations show she was born 5 years before or 5 years after prophethood both these are unlikely the more agreed possible date of her birth is born on the year of the prophethood or a year after prophethood had started her husband ali radiallahuanhu its said he was 6 9 or 10 when prophethood began so theres a 4 year gap in his age, uthman radiallahuanhu had a 3 year difference for his year of birth you will see for many sahaba their age is slightly disputed but we have a rough idea on how old they couldve been but no doubt she was nothing older then 12 at marriage and 9 minimum
Second benefit of her young marriage was she was of a similar or same age as fatima radiallahuanha the daughter of prophet salallahualayuwasallam depending on which narrations you accept, when she moved in with the prophet salallahualayuwasallam he moved fatima in the same house as aisha radiallahuanha where she quickly became friends with her and would remain close to her even after the prophet salallahualayuwasallam death, also she aisha radiallahuanha got the best of examples to follow there was prophet of allah the best of creation and there was the daughter of the prophet who was one of the four perfect women, she aisha radiallahuanha living with these two great people was a great learning experiance for her in every way she saw how their relationship was their manners good behaviour and in fatima radiallahuanha she had a women to look upto for all this
Last benefit to mentioned she lived upto her 60s or 70s where she narrated the second most hadith of sahaba and spread knowledge
Since when did a 17 18 year old especially in those times play with dolls swings seasaw
@@abdullahassaffah Exactly, So the Prophet COULD NOT marry a nine-year-old girl, because he would have breached the obligation of the consent" clause which makes the Islamic marriage contract valid. Therefore, the Prophet married Aisha when she enjoyed all her intellectual and physical faculties making her a young lady of undeniable middle age.
Authentic hadiths says 6 and consummated at 9. Stop being apologetic about it. We accept and obey
@@scottholder4431 Yes, In Islam a woman must be consulted for her marriage. His consent is required for the validation of the marriage (Mishakat al Masabiah, translation by James Robson, vol. I, p. 665). Islamically, the prior and credible permission of women is a prerequisite for a marriage to be valid.
So... Whatever stretch of the imagination we may invoke to justify the unjustifiable the fact is before our eyes: permission given by an immature girl of six cannot be valid permission for Islamic marriage.
It is inconceivable that we can imagine Abu Bakr, a man of great intelligence, sensitivity and exemplary probity, taking seriously the permission of a seven-year-old girl to marry a 50-year-old man. .
It is even more inconceivable to imagine the Prophet giving credence to the permission given by a young girl who, according to a hadith accepted as such by Muslims, took her toys with her when she went to live with the Prophet as his wife.
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Hamza.... Tell him about Baligh.... Is when the woman had first menstruate in a different age.... Around 9 to 12 years old.... Then the woman is already or supposed to be had mental and physically to be married.
Another classic!
33:47 as if that doesn't happen to one you meet in a bar
Rob is questioning why Islam doesn't prescribe a set age, like 18, for marriage. What he is not considering is that Islam emphasizes marrying when individuals are physically and mentally mature. The emphasis is on readiness rather than adhering strictly to a specific age. If, in the future, societal changes lead to girls reaching physical maturity later, say at 25, Rob need to reconsider his perspective, understanding that Islam prioritizes maturity over a rigid age requirement.
12:41 actually the avg age of puberty of teens differ from counties while we are in tye same year , now imagine 1400 years ago of it will be different 😂
Did he know the meaning of puberty? During the 6th century the 6th years old is more matured than 22nd century women.
This guy only lives in the UK for his entire life, I don’t think he ever travels outside of UK 😂
Thats english people in general. Most don’t leave and travel around the world properly
3:53 CAREFUL THERE. Assalamu alaikum.
What he ﷺ did wasn't wrong. By today's standard, yes but are today's standards correct? Subjective. As you said in part 1, is the walking Qur'an, so whatever he does is correct. Objectively. You should have added this, I believe.
Not to take anything away from what you do. I just wanted to suggest this. May allah bless you and elevate you in ranks
His eyes agree to Hamza
He also said “I wouldn’t have slaves back then” but Muhammad had slaves did he not?
He's a spurs fan, so expect him to bottle this argument 😂
Bro I was like what is he saying then end of the vidio he spurs fan 🎤 drp😂😂😂
It wasn't an argument it was 2 humans having a honest conversation
Its disgusting to realize that the person arguing with Hamza is thinking only about Physical intimacy aka Sex in a Marriage and NOT about all the other aspects of a Marriage.
This is how they have been bought up movies teach them marriage is only about sex which is false marriage os more then just sex and in thr past especially marriages were done for various purposes including political reasons social reasons etc sometimes two non Muslim kingdoms would make peace by marriage between their children
Ironic how the ones arguing that the prophet was a pedo are the ones having pedophilic thoughts.
He is trying to learn he is a great man just having a conversation
You think people before schooling systems were running around and playing video games for first 18 years? 😂
I swear go to Afghanistan or Pakistan, 18 years old from Urban area thinks and calls 18 years old from Rural area as " Uncle" because of the growth/appearance...By the way when Muslims says that "It depends on the mental maturity and physical maturity" it actually means that some girls might not be ready at 30 years old and some will be ready even before 18years depending on the circumstances!!
People be playing video games at 25 all the way upto freaking 30 years and beyond in some cases, so setting a fixed age for marriage is plainly retarded irrespective of timeline and/or era. The Qur'an sets a standard that transcends timelines and boundries of eras. So if people mature physically at 14 and mature mentally at 30 then the age is set to 30 for marriage by that standard. Simple logic and rationality.
Thats true
there are people who are 26 male but no men to hold responsibilities
Some are young you just want them to marry lol
Very true.
What is the best English version of the Quran to get
The Critical Qur'an by Robert Spencer.
5:57 Life expectancys were very low
there are muslim who drink alcohol and there other religion who never take alcohol but he said muslim not allow alcohol..... it depends on person not on religion....
Islam strongly prohibits consumption of alcoholic beverages but up to them adhere Islamic teachings.
Islam the religion does not allow alcohol.
So Hamza said 16 in UK is too young but 6/9 was ok for Mo?
For this guy logic of "Having a ring is enough" - i know someone, she has condition that prevents her from wearing gold or silver, it irritates the SKIN
so what is the come back to this one lol
Those living in that era n now, mentality n physically were totally different
A child is a child. No matter what era.
@@DestinyAwaits19 Physically? Yes. Mentally? no. We live in an age where children are not given responsibility at all, untill they hit 18 and shocked by the real world. 1400 years that wasn't the case and so peaple matured faster.
@@DestinyAwaits19 True, but then you go down a deep rabbit hole of what exactly is a child? Who decides that? Because humanity sure doesn't have a global definition of that word.
@@zizu-lakaka She was playing with dolls. She was a little girl regardless of how you look at the matter. I know you're probably very close to your religion, and deen is everything to you, but your prophet was a child molestor.
@@DestinyAwaits19the definition of a child back then differs to the society today
The way he interpreted the arranged marriage just shows how messed the future generation is going to be....he would mind if his daighter fallsnin love with a lost bum...he would give his rights to a bum which would cause her them not to last very long results in divorce...prevenet better than cure...like always
Life expectancy in the dark ages was 25/26. Now it's around 70/80. Boys would go to battles at the age of 10. Marriage was around 12 in the dark ages. 13/14 year old was having children. So when you take all this into account. Life was very short. Aishas age ranges between 9 right up to 18/19 depending on recordings and accountability. That being said there is no credibility for direct evidence of her age.
My main point in this. Islam is tarnished a lot in the west just on this situation alone.
Was it though? That's the mainstream science lie. The life expectancy have nothing to do with this that's first of all, secondly people weren't dying at 25. Historically.
i like to add dark ages being +800 years after muhammad pbuh
Mental maturity is subjective and can't be never really be sure about at what point maturity is completed or enough.
That's to say, we never can know when a 9 year old acquired mental maturity but we can always know a 9 year old acquired physical maturity. Given that she doesn't have specific disease that causing premature puberty, at that point the one who is interested in marriage must think of her well being than whether or not she is having puberty.
And lastly, assuming a 9 year old can have intercourse without getting injured, in that situation sex with 9 year old is forbidden regardless of puberty because harming anyone is forbidden and the wife is even more so, as she supposed to be in a safe place with her husband.
People married young in that era. Full stop.
Hamza should of just says to him it is better to cover themself because some men might find them attractive and might start findng faults in his own wife causing issues...so its better to prevent than cure
And yeah the hijab was never about us men looking to other women in a way because if you are Muslim man you wouldn't as for others people also no because it's a religion thing like hamza said you can not drag a nun of course not unless you are an animal, but hijab is a sign form a woman to الله that she obeys him and fear him because it was an order to her by him to wear it by her own choice, it is simple.