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Michel Martinez I never said that we are more evil. All I said was that everyone is evil in some way, even if you met the nicest person in the world, they probably have done something bad at one point. No one is perfect. Evil and good both exist in human nature. One can’t live with out the other. It’s like yin and yang, there are two opposing sides. One side is a group of bad ppl who always commit negative actions but some still have some good in them and the other is a group of good ppl who are always seen doing good deeds amongst their fellow man but occasionally there will be that one day when they slip up and show their ugly nature to others.
Turboman 2244 That means the amount of good or evil in someone does not matter at all. Wherever there is love, there must be an equal amount of hate somewhere else.
No he wasen't, he was king of the wessex. his grandson aethelstan unified england. danelaw existed for 50 years after his death. he was never king of england. @@Bobby__B
While The Last Kingdom is the more historically accurate show, I'm shocked that it was Vikings that actually showed Alfred's desire to make religion more accessible to the masses.
@Fundamentalist Reformer Wanting an Iphone is not a need. Like you said in your comment you WANT an iphone. You don't need it. Its each according to his need not each according to his want
@Fundamentalist Reformer So then whats the alternative? We just let everyone who doesn't want to work starve to death? Also, the demand for that want may have increased, but that doesn't make it a need to survive. So people are already working extra every day for their capitalists but you guys care so much about tax even though its so small compared to surplus value.
a priest tellings stories he only heard. while alfred is telling stories he heard from the actual people who experienced it. ragnar and the king of all englishmen.
The Alfred depicted here was radically progressive, in the real/true sense of the word, regarding the pursuit of truth and stewardship of the gospel. Of course, the church was at that time more of a political regime ruled by self-serving men than God's emissaries on earth.
Trying to picture Alfred as a semi Henry VIII is anachronical and with a portion of propaganda towards Western Christendom and why not say, Christianity "in globo". Generally, this kind of a-historical scene tends to excite the old protestant rethoric of a "forgotten" gospel during the course of the Middle Ages. I can say rather the contrary: Christianity at this time, is the most faithful era of western christiniaty since most of the people heard the kerygma from the clergy and adhere to it without further criticals examinations; a thing that is not entirely different from the Apostolical times because a great portion of the world were constituted of slaves; and slaves as we know, doesn't know how to read. Also, there wasn't a Guttenberg's press at the time to facilitate the process of learning. The manuscripts of every kind of knowledge were copied several times to prevent the loss of the documents; and it of course demanded time and dedication,a thing that was not so common to everyone in feudal economic system.
@@heinrich3088 Alfred the Great did in fact make many reforms in his kingdom that made it so many more religious texts and other important documents were taught and written in Old English though. He learnt Latin himself so that he could even translate the Bible into Old English. In Asser's Life of Alfred it is even stated that Alfred believed that moral rot had befallen the land and that educating the masses religiously would lead to a revival of good morals in the population, he was described as a very serious, clever and dutiful king so it doesn't strike me at all unlikely that he was progressive for his time. Considering how much power the clergy had as an institution they certainly wouldn't have liked what he was doing.
The church was ruled by the crown the nobility/kings of europe needed ignorant people to rule and the divinity of god to justify their rule. Their tribute to the pope was nothing more than a kickback in order to maintain the semblance of their divinity. I doubt very few cared or believed the nonsense of it but found it a means to an end and useful tool in which to extort power from the masses.
His Royal Highness with the help of Asser has translated for about 4 books : Gregory's Pastoral Care, Boethius's Consolation of Phylosophy, St-Augustine's Soliloquies and then the first fifty psalms of the Psalter.
Of course the other alternative is to make Latin available to everyone, make an education that involves reading, writing and even just formal prayer Latin available to everyone, but I get the feeling the monks would say that allowing everyone the same level of education would be an example of 'the sin of vanity' or at least of being arrogant and 'aiming above their station', even though others would say that education and understanding is a gift from god that should be available to everyone because everyone is supposed to be equal in the eyes of god. Until they can make the same level of education available for everyone so that more people can understand latin even if it's just for Sunday morning, I agree with Alfred, sermons should be conducted in English.
He wouldn’t have known the nature of Rome’s rule in Britain 400 years prior... and even if he had, Rome only killed those who resisted whereas the Vikings killed unarmed and peaceful men. Either way his statement is true.
Why did his character take such a huge dive from this. He went from a leader who had his own thoughts and wasn't afraid to make choices. To become some weak undeceive man who looked on others for what to do.
People are saying how everything is happening too fast (as in the years are wrong) but I don't think anyone realises that they killed Ragnar off of the show like 50 years early. I read that Ragna died in 865 and season 4 is in 815.
@@Corum95 It's a terrible shame tho, many great vikings such as "Rikard Red Beard, Erik Mjolfûr, Pere Rikardson, Bjørn The Blond, Magnar Coldaxe, was before Ragnar. And would have made the long jeporady of the show more entertaining
@@perfotheringham6928 Thas wrong on so many levels. First of all its not even certain Rikard Red Beard was Pere Rikardson father, and many belived him to live much later, with in that case makes him after Ragnars time, also Magnar was the son of Pere and lived probably alongside Ragnar (Historiaclly). Also how was Erik Mjolfur "great"? He had a reputation of battle, but lost hedeby twice, and failed an attack on Ribe aswell as he lost a simple raid to East Anglia? I agree the show could have been more detailed, but dont bring names, you have no clue off
@@perfotheringham6928 Someone read norseblood? So now you think it's all accurate in terms of history. No one knows if Rikard Red Beard existed let alone lived in the old viking times. Also Pere wasn't Ragnars father as in the books, but we know he lived around 820 times, which would have been around the same time as Ragnar, so that dosent make sense, Magnar Coldaxe was after Ragnars time. You should have named People like "Grima the grey, or Egon Uvalson".
"Oh yeah of course we can share all of the knowledge kept in this scriptorium, what would be the purpose of our lifework if they stay away from the eyes of the people who wants and deserves knowledge? Since you're the person with that humble idea I can be sure that you will be humble enough to finance that idea of yours too? Books are pretty expensive for our time of course but since you seem rather excited with the idea we will not have a problem using half of the crown's expenses in books enough to (barely) supply your capital city wouldn't we, my King?" People think that the printer existed since the times of Jesus Christ when a book in the medieval era could cost one of your eyes.
Implying that Libraries weren't a thing in the Medieval era. It's not about the price of books, it's about the power of knowledge. That's not to say that the value and rarity of books isn't a huge factor, but it's certainly not the main one.
@@IIMoonWalkerII Say that to that kings who wasn't aware of the existence of libraries, talking like the scriptorium was keeping the scriptures for themselves when the monastic schools, the centers of regional knowledge, were supplied with their work.
@@westernpolitix He never denies the existance of libraries..? He's talking about who has access to the knowledge in those books and scrolls. The Peasant classes didn't have access and they weren't taught how to read. Hell, they weren't allowed to leave their lord's territory without permission. Don't forget this is the years of 800-900 when Peasants were treated like property and the only way to elevate your status was to get an apprenticeship in a craft or somehow get knighted by a King.
@@IIMoonWalkerII Then he should have financed one instead of coming to an scriptorium and ask the abbot to do what he was already doing, that is maintaining and providing knowledge for those who needed it, the main purpose of the monastic schools was to provide knowledge and everyone inside the monasteries were allowed (To not say forced) to study the seven liberal arts. Not only the plebeians were forced to work the land and to not leave their places, even the clergy were under the regional Lord's authority, although in contrast with the common people, their job was to provide the gospel and knowledge. If the king wanted to deal with the illiteracy among the plebeians he should work for the funds and freedom that the scriptorium needed to share their work with the people. The monasteries cannot be held as responsibles that the nobles wanted the plebeians to be more productive and more ignorant.
@@westernpolitix Except that the Church was wealthier than the King and it's likely to get you excommunicated to meddle in church affairs openly. Having said that, the King and Nobles prefered their peasants to be iliterate and reliant on the lands the noble classes possesed to make a living. Noblility is just as much to blame as the churches and both can be held responsible. In the case of Alfred in this scene, he can't force the church to release their literature to the public and if he tries to teach peasants to read he'd end up being assisinated by either the Church or one of his Nobles. Kings can't always do as they please.
imagine that. Athelstan's kid is woke as fuck. Maybe I do need to get back to watching vikings. I keep forgetting about the good storylines, when I see how crappy they do with other storylines in the show. Anybody remember Bjorns first gf? The one that gave birth to his first daughter. She up and left kattegat, wtf happened to her and his daughter?
Am I the only one who thinks Alfred was really loaded and aggressive in his attitude to the priest? How does he expect the Priest to know the inner workings of Athelstan's life? How does he expect this man to know the terror that was Ragnar Lodbrok to be anything more than that, given he never knew him and can only rely on the tales of his attack on this very place? Alfred approached him like he was actually privy to the lives of Athelstan or Ragnar. I know people can say well that's the point, that the Priest shouldn't assume on things he doesn't know about but I'd say it's in his wheelhouse to consider a Viking apostate to be scum of the earth alongside Ragnar who led the slaughter and vilification of the priests and this holy site?
He dosenr expect anithing from priest. Priest is just biased and not realy servant of god rather than clerk wo preaches what are commanded from him, without trying to undrestand bigger picture. Athelstan was also a holy man and he questioned, how does this serve god as he walked on soil of scandinavia and then asked again when he was crussified and saved by Ecbert. This priest thinks he knows everything.
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Damn...I love Alfred..also that double burn. 😶😆
I love the reaction of the Christians whenever Ragnar is mentioned🤣
for them, he is the devil who once walked the earth.
🤣🤣
I love the reactions any Christians have to anything they don't agree with lol
"We are all devils and angels."
Tony Mario doesn’t change the fact that we are all still evil nonetheless, even if some are more so.
Michel Martinez I never said that we are more evil. All I said was that everyone is evil in some way, even if you met the nicest person in the world, they probably have done something bad at one point. No one is perfect. Evil and good both exist in human nature. One can’t live with out the other. It’s like yin and yang, there are two opposing sides. One side is a group of bad ppl who always commit negative actions but some still have some good in them and the other is a group of good ppl who are always seen doing good deeds amongst their fellow man but occasionally there will be that one day when they slip up and show their ugly nature to others.
Turboman 2244 That means the amount of good or evil in someone does not matter at all. Wherever there is love, there must be an equal amount of hate somewhere else.
Speak for yourself!
Alfred === Savage AF... "it's only a thought..."
Alfred the truly great . Best King England ever had
Alfred the Gullible
@@matimus100 care to explain???? or are you just another sad atheist prick with no faith in anything
he was never king of england
@@TheTwofatgamersYes he was.
No he wasen't, he was king of the wessex. his grandson aethelstan unified england. danelaw existed for 50 years after his death. he was never king of england. @@Bobby__B
While The Last Kingdom is the more historically accurate show, I'm shocked that it was Vikings that actually showed Alfred's desire to make religion more accessible to the masses.
Fellow Marxist here. Good to see you!
@@shinybaldboy4384 Marxism is an evil philosophy when put into practice.
@@normanladdleschnitzel1928 From each according to his ability to each according to his need is EVILLL
@Fundamentalist Reformer Wanting an Iphone is not a need. Like you said in your comment you WANT an iphone. You don't need it. Its each according to his need not each according to his want
@Fundamentalist Reformer So then whats the alternative? We just let everyone who doesn't want to work starve to death? Also, the demand for that want may have increased, but that doesn't make it a need to survive.
So people are already working extra every day for their capitalists but you guys care so much about tax even though its so small compared to surplus value.
Indeed the world is not a simple place
a priest tellings stories he only heard.
while alfred is telling stories he heard from the actual people who experienced it. ragnar and the king of all englishmen.
Alfred the great..
Alfred the Gullible
Not in this Movie
Viking Adventurer-are you gonna say that on every comment?
He is going to be great to watch!
Anyone notice the dove in the background? That’s the symbol for the Holy Spirit. This show is so deep.
When?
00:29 a dove coos
Lol
It's the sound of a dove in the background, not an image, what he meant.
beautiful!! hel will make an amazing king.
The Alfred depicted here was radically progressive, in the real/true sense of the word, regarding the pursuit of truth and stewardship of the gospel. Of course, the church was at that time more of a political regime ruled by self-serving men than God's emissaries on earth.
And still the same...
Trying to picture Alfred as a semi Henry VIII is anachronical and with a portion of propaganda towards Western Christendom and why not say, Christianity "in globo". Generally, this kind of a-historical scene tends to excite the old protestant rethoric of a "forgotten" gospel during the course of the Middle Ages. I can say rather the contrary: Christianity at this time, is the most faithful era of western christiniaty since most of the people heard the kerygma from the clergy and adhere to it without further criticals examinations; a thing that is not entirely different from the Apostolical times because a great portion of the world were constituted of slaves; and slaves as we know, doesn't know how to read.
Also, there wasn't a Guttenberg's press at the time to facilitate the process of learning. The manuscripts of every kind of knowledge were copied several times to prevent the loss of the documents; and it of course demanded time and dedication,a thing that was not so common to everyone in feudal economic system.
@@heinrich3088 Alfred the Great did in fact make many reforms in his kingdom that made it so many more religious texts and other important documents were taught and written in Old English though. He learnt Latin himself so that he could even translate the Bible into Old English. In Asser's Life of Alfred it is even stated that Alfred believed that moral rot had befallen the land and that educating the masses religiously would lead to a revival of good morals in the population, he was described as a very serious, clever and dutiful king so it doesn't strike me at all unlikely that he was progressive for his time. Considering how much power the clergy had as an institution they certainly wouldn't have liked what he was doing.
The church was ruled by the crown the nobility/kings of europe needed ignorant people to rule and the divinity of god to justify their rule. Their tribute to the pope was nothing more than a kickback in order to maintain the semblance of their divinity. I doubt very few cared or believed the nonsense of it but found it a means to an end and useful tool in which to extort power from the masses.
so much shade its like alfred sewed a curtain in that scene
All hail Odin
We are all Devil and Angels no matter which God you worship!!
He couldn’t be more spot on there’s god and the devil all within us
His Royal Highness with the help of Asser has translated for about 4 books : Gregory's Pastoral Care, Boethius's Consolation of Phylosophy, St-Augustine's Soliloquies and then the first fifty psalms of the Psalter.
The priest here always plays a priest. See Tudors, see Borgia. See Vikings.
And king arthur. He seems to also work with the same people of the tudors the borgias and vikings. ❤
Oh haha he wrecked that priest
Of course the other alternative is to make Latin available to everyone, make an education that involves reading, writing and even just formal prayer Latin available to everyone, but I get the feeling the monks would say that allowing everyone the same level of education would be an example of 'the sin of vanity' or at least of being arrogant and 'aiming above their station', even though others would say that education and understanding is a gift from god that should be available to everyone because everyone is supposed to be equal in the eyes of god. Until they can make the same level of education available for everyone so that more people can understand latin even if it's just for Sunday morning, I agree with Alfred, sermons should be conducted in English.
If anyones interested that actually church is still there in lindasfarne
what a g man alfred was lol and still is in our history
Damn alfred tell em like it is.
He is indeed great
"never before in England as such a terror appeared"
forgot to mention the Romans.
He also forgot mentioning his anglo-saxon ancestors ;-). Seems to relative of the personal point of view.
@@MarpoLoco good point and good call. shameful of me for not remembering it.
He said "in England". Land of the Angles.
It isn't England without the Angles.
The romans......Britannia You mean
He wouldn’t have known the nature of Rome’s rule in Britain 400 years prior... and even if he had, Rome only killed those who resisted whereas the Vikings killed unarmed and peaceful men. Either way his statement is true.
Alfred's great😂💝burrrn
I wish a the could came back
Wiser than that one sided priest,
Thats the greatness alfred is all about
No wonder he is still remembered as Alfred the Great
Alfred probably never met Floki
Ah yes, Father's Church and Mother Chapel
Why did his character take such a huge dive from this. He went from a leader who had his own thoughts and wasn't afraid to make choices. To become some weak undeceive man who looked on others for what to do.
People are saying how everything is happening too fast (as in the years are wrong) but I don't think anyone realises that they killed Ragnar off of the show like 50 years early. I read that Ragna died in 865 and season 4 is in 815.
It's all mixed actual dates don't matter so much there.
The Greatest of England's Kings
For a Saxon, Ælfred was smart, sincerely, a Gael ;)
He is so much gorgeous
2:50 😂😂😂😂😂😂 not for over 500 years mate
Great Ferdia!!! 😊
Better.. him cast as magnus....not match with althestine face. But his face matches with Child Magnus.
They condensed 70 years of history into 20 years, therefore rendering the time line meaningless.
Nigel Sheppard “dramatic license”
That's because they wanted to connect Ragnar with the raid on Lindisfarne. Otherwise they could have had just followed the historical timeline.
@@Corum95 It's a terrible shame tho, many great vikings such as "Rikard Red Beard, Erik Mjolfûr, Pere Rikardson, Bjørn The Blond, Magnar Coldaxe, was before Ragnar. And would have made the long jeporady of the show more entertaining
@@perfotheringham6928 Thas wrong on so many levels. First of all its not even certain Rikard Red Beard was Pere Rikardson father, and many belived him to live much later, with in that case makes him after Ragnars time, also Magnar was the son of Pere and lived probably alongside Ragnar (Historiaclly). Also how was Erik Mjolfur "great"? He had a reputation of battle, but lost hedeby twice, and failed an attack on Ribe aswell as he lost a simple raid to East Anglia? I agree the show could have been more detailed, but dont bring names, you have no clue off
@@perfotheringham6928 Someone read norseblood? So now you think it's all accurate in terms of history. No one knows if Rikard Red Beard existed let alone lived in the old viking times. Also Pere wasn't Ragnars father as in the books, but we know he lived around 820 times, which would have been around the same time as Ragnar, so that dosent make sense, Magnar Coldaxe was after Ragnars time. You should have named People like "Grima the grey, or Egon Uvalson".
"Oh yeah of course we can share all of the knowledge kept in this scriptorium, what would be the purpose of our lifework if they stay away from the eyes of the people who wants and deserves knowledge? Since you're the person with that humble idea I can be sure that you will be humble enough to finance that idea of yours too? Books are pretty expensive for our time of course but since you seem rather excited with the idea we will not have a problem using half of the crown's expenses in books enough to (barely) supply your capital city wouldn't we, my King?"
People think that the printer existed since the times of Jesus Christ when a book in the medieval era could cost one of your eyes.
Implying that Libraries weren't a thing in the Medieval era.
It's not about the price of books, it's about the power of knowledge. That's not to say that the value and rarity of books isn't a huge factor, but it's certainly not the main one.
@@IIMoonWalkerII Say that to that kings who wasn't aware of the existence of libraries, talking like the scriptorium was keeping the scriptures for themselves when the monastic schools, the centers of regional knowledge, were supplied with their work.
@@westernpolitix He never denies the existance of libraries..? He's talking about who has access to the knowledge in those books and scrolls. The Peasant classes didn't have access and they weren't taught how to read. Hell, they weren't allowed to leave their lord's territory without permission. Don't forget this is the years of 800-900 when Peasants were treated like property and the only way to elevate your status was to get an apprenticeship in a craft or somehow get knighted by a King.
@@IIMoonWalkerII Then he should have financed one instead of coming to an scriptorium and ask the abbot to do what he was already doing, that is maintaining and providing knowledge for those who needed it, the main purpose of the monastic schools was to provide knowledge and everyone inside the monasteries were allowed (To not say forced) to study the seven liberal arts.
Not only the plebeians were forced to work the land and to not leave their places, even the clergy were under the regional Lord's authority, although in contrast with the common people, their job was to provide the gospel and knowledge. If the king wanted to deal with the illiteracy among the plebeians he should work for the funds and freedom that the scriptorium needed to share their work with the people. The monasteries cannot be held as responsibles that the nobles wanted the plebeians to be more productive and more ignorant.
@@westernpolitix Except that the Church was wealthier than the King and it's likely to get you excommunicated to meddle in church affairs openly. Having said that, the King and Nobles prefered their peasants to be iliterate and reliant on the lands the noble classes possesed to make a living.
Noblility is just as much to blame as the churches and both can be held responsible. In the case of Alfred in this scene, he can't force the church to release their literature to the public and if he tries to teach peasants to read he'd end up being assisinated by either the Church or one of his Nobles. Kings can't always do as they please.
imagine that. Athelstan's kid is woke as fuck. Maybe I do need to get back to watching vikings. I keep forgetting about the good storylines, when I see how crappy they do with other storylines in the show. Anybody remember Bjorns first gf? The one that gave birth to his first daughter. She up and left kattegat, wtf happened to her and his daughter?
His daughter died and she left and was never seen again.
This is fake, but I like it.
What?! This TV-series is fake? I'd never..
@@LundeSite wait you mean there arent oldmen without eyes who can see the future preposterous
Hardest ratio in the show
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏a GREAT king¡
Am I the only one who thinks Alfred was really loaded and aggressive in his attitude to the priest? How does he expect the Priest to know the inner workings of Athelstan's life? How does he expect this man to know the terror that was Ragnar Lodbrok to be anything more than that, given he never knew him and can only rely on the tales of his attack on this very place? Alfred approached him like he was actually privy to the lives of Athelstan or Ragnar. I know people can say well that's the point, that the Priest shouldn't assume on things he doesn't know about but I'd say it's in his wheelhouse to consider a Viking apostate to be scum of the earth alongside Ragnar who led the slaughter and vilification of the priests and this holy site?
He dosenr expect anithing from priest. Priest is just biased and not realy servant of god rather than clerk wo preaches what are commanded from him, without trying to undrestand bigger picture. Athelstan was also a holy man and he questioned, how does this serve god as he walked on soil of scandinavia and then asked again when he was crussified and saved by Ecbert. This priest thinks he knows everything.
Vikings missing ..
So, Alfred the great is not from royal bloodline? He's son of simple priest🤔
He was son of Aethelwulf too, like his brother, in real history
@@zdeny4ever333 i know this bro, but in film historical characters is mostly changed
he was judiths son, judith in the show was the daughter of KIng Aelle
Alfred the great..x x x
Norman tapestry? From the 11th century
癒しの音楽
"history"
Its frightening this show is all people will know about history.
Is that Bishop Fisher from the Tudors?
Yes
The conflict between the languages were everywhere.. In India they used sanskrit... And considered themselves as superiors...
Athelstan wasn't the father of King Alfred the Great.
Athelstan was the father of King Alfred
@@di9403 So a fictional character is the father of King Alfred the Great? 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@manchestertart5614 I'm talking about in the series
Really? Did he also didn't look like George Blagden?
Evil comes only from religion
They stop making eps because Christians keep getting their feelings hurt lol
What? I dont think that's true
Zbuckner it’s true google it
@@X1vapor ... Are you insane ?