Self Generating Sanitizer Bottle Testing and Chlorate Cell! - ElementalMaker
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Testing some hypochlorite generating sanitizer bottles from eBay, and testing if they contain MMO anodes which will for for making a chlorate cell.
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Why do I feel that the first one is the lie...
Include a reach around?
Add sugar
dangriff12 “Add sugar?”
Whatever for?
@@jessewilson8676 you betcha. Everyone loves these calloused palms.
Tom from Explosions&Fire needs to see this, he likes some chlorate shenanigans
Absolutely love that guy! What an awesome channel!
Such a great channel
@@ElementalMaker You and him are probably the only reasons youtube is still alive and kicking lol
Is it not a low% of hydrochloric acid when you run the hose into the beaker with distilled water isn't that a conversion into low hydrochloric or muriatic acid it's been 50 years since I took chemistry but I could be wrong
I have a 40 year old scar on my hand from lighting HHO inside a Golden Syrup tin. Man did that thing bang, my ears rang for hours! Learnt enough not to try it again.
Ouch!
I've got some 40yr old scars too, from other whoopsies. Damn we was stupid!
Hho is very very useful. Perhaps just be safer
@Adequate Bros. If that came off as sniffy then I don't know what to tell you. It was literally just the laziest sentence I could construct
The same happened to me with AP. Only 1g compressed powder in an open ended thin paper tube. then it sensed the heat from a small flame at the end of a short stick. Sounded like a rifle shotgun and my ears were ringing for about 2 minutes.
Ill never believe that ElementalMaker is not AvE brother. Keep your balloons in a vice.
They were separated at birth in each side of the unit system
"That's a phrase you don't hear outside of a heroin den" - Elemental maker 2020
"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom"- marvin the martian
The HHO balloon "failed" because you were only making hydrogen and chlorine here. No oxygen. Most of the chlorine dissolves into the water to make hypochlorite, so you are left with a hydrogen-rich H2+Cl2 mix. If you had the 1:1 mix, that would also be hella explosive like HHO is (the tiny bubbles showed how it is).
Also, H2+Cl2 mixtures are photosensitive, especially UV sensitive, a bright flash from a xenon flashtube may set off such mixtures!
TheBackyardChemist I don't think it takes much to initiate. In High School I discovered methane + chlorine can be triggered by ordinary classroom fluorescent lighting.
I have the one from big clive bookmarked for the next time I travel away for home.
I worked at ICI .and remember some guy took a sheet of wire mesh (he swapped for a new mesh). The next day security were pulling the place apart. We found out later the guy used the mesh on his rabbit hutch. yep it was pure platinum.
my god this makes me feel pain just from reading
@@VerbenaIDK Yes, even back then it worth a small fortune. 🤣👍👍
@@dcallan812 a "small fortune, i see
Yes , the security changed soon after. If you wanted to take anything oiff site you needed a pink slip and had o hand in the slip at one of the gates.
@@dcallan812 great security was changed, i would be in immense pain to hear another history like this
but how did that happen?
did the guy just casually get in with a wire cutter and snipped off the mesh?
if i had a pure platinum mesh around i would let it in a really high security place, shit is expensive, atleast tge mesh should have been fine for use after clean up
Hmm looking forward to seeing some more of freedom seed project in the future 😉
As a child I tried electrolysis of NaCl solution with copper electrodes. My Electrodes were dissolved into a fluffy blue-green sediment :D
Same stuff here
I tried 1 of those crapbay "platinum anodes" and it ended up a black mess, the anode completely disintegrated in under 4 hours
@@markshort9098 That is not encouraging. Hope you had some success with other experiments that day.
@@Flederratte yeah everything else is working fine.. I'm waiting on a quote from a mmo anode manufacturer here in Australia, they use them in some swimming pools so it might be a cheap way of getting mmo anodes.. can't wait to see how elemental maker goes making platinum anodes, i would prefer to use platinum.
haha we did the same, the color was so ugly(green,blue,brown foam) we thought it must be extra poisonous and flushed it in the toilet xD (failed experiment lol)
Screw learning about electrolysis, ethanol synthesis and distillation is what they taught us back in the good old days.
Yet, here you are.
I saw the big clive video a while back and thought this was pretty cool so I am glad to see someone else talk about this as before that I had no idea this was a thing.
When I made H2 and O2 from water as a kid, I didn't make holes in the container. Instead I put the electrodes under inverted containers in the water, and attached a hose to each container to pipe it off for storage. I used insulated wire underwater and wrapped stripped ends around the graphite. I used the rectifiers out of old hair dryers to convert to DC. You can mix the gases later when you're ready for quick amputation, or mix in a very small manifold for torching off your skin or making rubies.
i also just ate a whole stick of butter.
I'm doing online school by choice. But i wish our school system had us to do chemistry like this at home.
The best source I have found for MMO anodes is from pool supply places. Luckily me neighbour has a pool business so I only have to walk a few feet to talk to him but they are used quite extensively for chlorine generators using NaCl. He was able to get me 2 brand new 2" x 14"" anodes for $12.
I've tried a couple local pool suppliers, and they laugh when I ask for the old electrochlorinator units. Badass he could hook you up like that! I'd kill for a source like that.
Those bottles should be making a solution of Hypochlorous Acid, which partially dissociates into anionic hypochlorite. An acidic environment pushes the reaction to the left creating Chlorine gas. The bonus of using hypochlorous acid produced by a weak current in those bottles for disinfection is that it would have a neutral charge, unlike commercial Clorox bleach which has a negative charge and can repel gram-negative viruses, such as Coronavirus. That’s provided the concentration is sufficient. Note: the product made by these sorts of bottles (and the expensive one made by Toucan) has a limited effective antimicrobial shelf life of several days to a week or so at best.
Awesome video again mate. I look forward to you're vids in these boring times lol. Just a hint, if you want good electrodes for this type of thing, go to your local pool repair shop armed with a six-pack and ask them if they have any old salt water chlorinators. They gave me that many I couldn't carry them all. Sometimes they even come in their original housings.
Thanks my friend! I definitely will need to try another pool place, my local shop laughed at me when I asked them for their oldies years ago. But heck a six pack could definitely change the wind in the situation! 👍
Is it wrong that I love all your comments like 'you don't hear that outside of an opium den' and 'just like your mom'?
Most I've never heard, rarely expect, but always delighted. Lol
Great video as always! Keep them coming!
Thanks Justin! Try to keep you guys on your toes 😁
Such sexual innuendos ,love it. Your reactions are hilarious. You are a healer,you cured my boredom.
DUDE! I was literally searching for a video that uses this thing in a chlorate cell for a long time. I didn't find any. You're the first one!
Here in Germany they add KIO3 (Potassium iodate) to the iodinated table salt.
Them crystals look like Stalagmites.. Very cool experiment.
I ordered one of them from DX, for about $20, because of Clive's video. I have not used it yet, though. This video helps a lot with knowing the strength of it. Thanks.
Do you have a link? What is DX
@@liveuk Did my reply save and make it? I don't see it
@@liveuk I do not think RUclips let's me post links or it seems like my comments keep getting removed. Deal Extreme and no, my order pulls up a 404
@@liveuk B09KSYQ6YW Amzn
You might try and get your hands on a swimming pool salt cell. A used on one Ebay might be the way to go. You can also find just the element for less than a full system.
wow! this is one of the best videos on YT! talk about bang for the buck!
Thanks Beto! 👍
About your attempted childhood electrolysis:
I did kinda the same thing, with the electrodes from D cells and a 6A battery charger. Like you, it always leaked around the wire.
hey man. i made a small chlorate cell out of coffe jar and graphite rods from batteries, its producing something but im not sure if it's chlorate. those crystals are super small and fluffy but they do sink to the bottom eventually. i got 1 cathode and 3 anodes of the same size runing on 5v
I watched the same video from Big Clive and purchased one before the video was out . My thoughts were clearly along similar lines. I also knew that my little one would love the explosions. Great vid and thanks for all the work to make the vids.
I KNEW that torch on your bench did double duty as a dabber. Titanium color gradients are trippy.
As you mentioned, be really careful with soluble platinum compounds. They are also a nasty carcinogen.
Thank you so much. It has been a very long time since I heard someone that knew what they were talking about.
Thanks James 👍
One of the best channels on RUclips
You're awesome ma. I am always learning new and cool stuff from you channel. Take care and cheers!
I use chlorates in pyrotechnics to the extent of various ratios of the compounds found in H3 burst charge (KClO3, charcoal, dextrin.) Due to possible ignorance and variation in components / purity, I don't intend to persuade anyone to use it. Though, I have found it to be pretty stable. I've had a small amount stored for over a year no problems. The only way I have managed to get it to ignite, apart from high heat, say from a flame, is by hammer impact. And even then, it typically takes a few strikes depending on how compressed the mixture is to begin with so that it really takes on pressure from the blow. I have used an agate mortar to grind the mixtures together (a small amount obviously) intending to get a reaction but have failed as well. The agate mortar is polished so I imagine that helps prevent a reaction, but from my experiments with it over the past year, I'm not concerned about it going off with trivial handling e.g. shaking / moving, or even throwing pyrotechnic devices. The impact pressure simply isn't there. I would not let chlorates get any where near sulfur, ammonium compounds, magnesium, dark aluminum, to name a few. Thats the biggest issue with chlorates, knowing whats "okay" to mix and what isn't. Perhaps this is what you are referring to. As for making platinum electrodes, I have been planning to try the same thing! I just need some platinum. 1g should go a long way once you have an efficient process. That platinum electrode you have is one I have been using and have over 29 days of usage on it for chlorate production at a current density of about 150ma / cm^2. It's still behaving like new. I don't have a lot of hours on perchlorates and so can't comment much on the longevity in that regime.
Platinum is actually not the best for chlorates instead use mix metal oxide electrodes
pH control with calcium chloride also is good
MysteriusBhoice Yeah, I suppose that is because the production to cost ratio is higher, although platinum still goes a long way. I wonder how the efficiency (as in current efficiency) plays into that. Not heard of using calcium chloride for ph. I suppose it is a slightly acidic salt that buffers the ph and is used up producing chlorates and calcium hydroxide / carbonate. I would be a little concerned about that precipitating onto the cathode reducing conducting surface area. I actually already have to clean the cathodes periodically, I assume, due to small calcium impurities in my NaCl.
@@Clipster15 CaCl2 works by precipitating out insoluble Ca(OH)2 so the pH stays at neutral while the cell runs.
for pH control you need to run your cell hot at 65 celsius and Pt wont survive that only MMO.
The Ca(OH)2 is ionically conductive and acts as a diaphragm membrane slowing down chlorate reduction.
the efficiency you get is around 78-87% efficient which is without chromates.
with seperation i get more like 70% because crystalizing out NaClO3 is a bitch!
@@CatboyChemicalSociety Ca(OH)2 is not insoluble,you can dissolve about 0.1g in 100mL of water making a quite alkaline solution.
@@mernok2001 it is if you already have a satured NaCl solution.
I legit have an entire video explaining that process.
*HOLY SHIT* You watch *Big Clive* my favorite ASMR video that shows you the damn guts which all of us enginenerd/Inventor types dig. Excellent vijeo
The research that I did suggested that low chloride levels corrode platinum electrodes. If you want to use platinum for perchlorates I'd suggest making sodium chlorate and then dissolving the NaClO3 in water and further electrolysing that. If you want to be able to go straight from chlorides to perchlorates than I'd suggest a lead dioxide anode. They can withstand the same current density is platinum (300mA/cm2) but they don't corrode with low chloride levels. But be careful cause lead dioxide is quite toxic.
You are absolutely correct. I plan to use mmo to generate sodium chlorate, purify that. Then use the Pt anode to generate perchlorate, and do a displacement reaction with KCl
@@ElementalMaker Cool. Can't wait to see it!
Try using a 3 to 1 H2 to O2 if you want a bigger boom. The lighter mass of the H2 allows for a *MUCH* faster reaction time.
Chlorine gas is nasty stuff! When I first started experimenting with electrolysis, I used salty water lol. I finished up by copper plating some bullet casings for fun at 5 vdc and it worked great
I used to use the DC transformers from my model train set to do electrolysis as a kid :-)
Last year bottom feeder heaven (Walmart) had Sodium Hypochlorite generators for above ground pools reduced to $15. I should have bought several.
SAY WHAT?! Man thats a killer deal! Wish I found them for that price.
Great job Bob.
Just got my spray bottle in (the first one you showed but not the one you linked) and it appears to use mmo for both electrodes. It has far less surface area than the bottle your video focused on and will require slightly more modification for use in a chlorate cell. Again, thank you for making this video!
Having some experience in the plating industry I would agree that the anode is indeed probably titanium but is probably coated with other metals. In certain instances we would have to use insoluble anodes to ensure proper plate thickness on parts. This was done by fabricating anodes in various shapes out of stainless steel or titanium. However these metals do not throw current well so we had them coated by a specialty coating company, the coating and process being somewhat proprietary. I do know that it consisted in a combination of precious metals such as platinum, palladium, and iridium. This coating looks exactly like what is on your anode and given that it is functioning as an insoluble anode it's most likely that has a similar coating. We could tell when the coating was wearing off as the voltage required to produce adequate coverage would slowly increase. Very expensive stuff.
You're right, this is good fun for kids. It's also like proper legit alchemy. Making fire out of water I still find awesome and I'm ancient.
Having so much fun. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍👌 good go
my kids wont let me teach my grandkids any " fun " things like this. had my fair share of accidental explosions in my time.
Ah that's a real shame. Stuff like this is what gets kids interested in science and engineering. I hope they change their tune and let you get them interested in science
Great video sir. You are like a more normal verson of Ave and you make videos about things that are relevant to me.
soapy water in the bathroom sink and a plastic tube from a charging lead acid battery, I'm glad i did not break the sink with the explosion, my parents would have found out. although the hole in my bedroom carpet from a lead acid battery explosion was only hidden by moving furniture. kids today have no idea about living, only being safe.
You should look at swimming pool chlorinators(chlorine generator) that use salt added to the pool. Might be a scaled up version of what you want.
Your vids are so interesting. Thanks for putting it all together. Wifey says "hi deep voice man".
Thank you Jeff! And tell your lovely bride that deep voice man says hello as well!
What's with the AR-15 mag and partial lower? 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍
I thought salt water electrolysis made Cl₂ and Na, the classic Chlor-Alkali process. Since you're doing it without the Hg electrode to make the amalgam, the Na immediately hydrolyzes to NaOH releasing H₂. So isn't the gas collected Cl₂ and H₂? It still should burn as Cl₂ will oxidize combustion about as well as O₂. While I once worked at a place that also once ran a chlor-alkali plant, I didn't see it run, just talked to the old operators of it and walked around the remnants of "the cell house" and traced out the Hg trench to the washing house. We also learned that given an ignition source, Cl₂ would happily oxidize organics and blow out the glass Pyrex piping. Wild times back then.
The Chlor-Alkali process prevents the the reaction products at the electrodes from mixing. With no separation or alternate ph control, chlorine reaches an equilibrium with the OH- produced whereby bleach is formed. Ideally, no gases would be released at the anode, and hydrogen at the cathode. But yes, a small amount of chlorine is released at the anode, but mostly oxygen due to the electrode not perfectly preferentially oxidizing chlorine over OH-. So indeed, as he said in bursting the balloon, a little HCl was formed (reaction of Cl2 with H2.)
Ah yes. I should have thought through the chlorine and caustic part. That site also made “hypo” by sparging the chlorine through the caustic. Thanks!
Try to initiate the gas you get using a photo flash. When there is chlorine in the HHO gas you should be able to initiate it with that
I have a video really far back in my history when I dabbled in teen chemistry which is never a good idea. I did make some HHO and failed at making a teeny HHO potato pistol
For louder bangs, use NaOH solution and 2 stainless steel plates very close to each other. About 1mm or less and do electrolysis.
I have a water purifier for camping that uses the same tech. It's made by MSI and they used to make them for the military too. I don't think you can buy them anymore. It uses a couple of batteries and some salt and it about the size of a MagLight penlight. Way lighter than other systems for hiking. It was a little pricey to buy but it's paid for itself by now. I think they call it an ozone generator, but it's doing the same thing as these are. Maybe that's what the "EO" stands for, though I'm not sure what the 'E' would be...
Now that's pretty damn cool! Any idea what concentration salt it works at? I wonder if for drinking water they had to use platinized anodes rather than mmo.
@@ElementalMaker You just fill a dime sized reservoir that's built into the cap, fill the water reservoir with about 5ml of the water you have, shake it up and press the button. The more water you want to treat the more times you press the button. I would assume the water is saturated with NaCl, but it doesn't seem to matter. The salt lasts a long time before you need to refill it. So far I haven't gotten beaver fever, so I assume I'm doing it right. I'm in Oklahoma so animal contamination is the main issue.
@@ElementalMaker Having trouble posting a link, but just google "MSR MIOX water purifier"
This was one epic video!! Always in for kclo3 funs electrochemistry fun, sigh,,,wished i had the space too play in
@21:09 That's because it was filled with H2 and Cl. You need H2 and O for a louder bang.
Ace! Great Video ,You're nearly at the 100k subs Bud. 👍💥🍄.
Thanks Bob! Literally just got your care package! Thank you so much as always
Well I can't yet but at my earliest convenience I will become a patron just so I don't ever have to hear you unsarcastically utter the words "Raid Shadow legends". In all honesty though I wouldn't mind as I don't fault anyone for succumbing to the temptation of the shill $$$'s. Just keep up the good work. This stuff is awesome.
LOL @ the Raid Shadow Legends. I dont know how much they pay Demo Ranch and others who advertise it, but man I dont think I could ever utter those words without laughing my ass off.
Your channel is so cool, keep it up!
Knowing how I was as a kid, not sure if I would show the kids this. They may make something really big!
Great video and presentation review, thank you!
P.S. The links in the description and your post go to an URL shortener and not the sanitizer bottles.
Hey Robert, thanks for letting me know! Can't find a damn URL shortener that works. Hopefully I got it sorted now. Much appreciated my friend! Glad you enjoyed the video!
@@ElementalMaker, You're welcome my friend. I use an app/extension on Google Chrome called "Tiny Link" it works well for me.
cool stuff man.
Very little oxygen gets made on the anode, so your balloon is mostly filled with hydrogen and a little chlorine. There's another variant of this product that electrolysis pure water to make the quacky product 'hydrogenated' water, typically in a water bottle shape. It may use platinised or iridised anodes by the looks of it, so that may be what you want if you want an easy route to perchlorates. If you can get a hold of one, it would be interesting to test.
So back in the day you were the Elementary Maker??? ;)
Nows the time to buy pt It's as cheap as it's ever going to be.
Too much fun 😝
thats cool af dude , nice ass crystals too... Now I just gota try that...
those spray bottles are actually really neat I bought one and am using it for its intended purpose but it is interesting how you are using it... hmmmmm
it's not just the bleach produced that sanitizes, but lots of unstable chlorine-oxygen species will temporarily be in solution after electrolysis
Hey what's going on Elemental Maker! You're cool bro
My brothers pool uses a salt cell that does the same thing but those things cost $600 and up, I was thinking of finding a few broken units and cannibalizing them
HHO Cannon comes to mind 3:)
saw this on clive's channel first, (fyi: your channel is much better)
Love your videos, every single one of em.
Only issue now is, I'm gonna have to wait longer to get one of these, cause I'm sure YOU just drove the price up again on em.. lol
I had to Google this, just because that was too cool a gadget... anyways, yeah they said titanium electrodes.. I imagine it sells. Sharper image type... good find just for the cheap bleach
Watch for Phantosmia when wafting cleaning chemicals... It is quite confusing and unpleasant the next day or so...
Ive figured it out.. elemental maker dude sounds exactly like Patrick Warburton... in my opinion at least.. lol...
3D printed lower?
You really should be more well known friend. Your stuff is unreal and inspired me to do more of this type of shit to look good in front of my girlfriend. Please don't tell her though
And i had to go and sacrifice my heart like thingy to fix spelling. Was it worth it?...... NOPE
This works the same as a salt water pool chlorination. They are all sold out.
I really want to try electroplating eventually, it's something that has interested me for a while.
now its time to get a few of them and put them in one container and overdrive them to see how much you can get out of them. and then make potassium nitrate down the road out of your potassium chlorate.
Been gathering bits and bobs for a HHO Generator. Going with Nickel anode and cathode.
Sadly Nickel wont work. It'll be okay for cathode, but wont work as an anode. Better to just get an MMO anode off ebay, and use a titanium cathode.
@@ElementalMaker It sure last longer the Stainless does.
All this talk about different metals reminded me of something I read the other day.. Scientists at Harvard made metallic hydrogen for the first time. They said it could actually help power rockets to much farther reaches, and even possibly be the first super conductor at ambient temperatures... You know what that means... Hover boards might actually be a thing soon...
"Just like your mom" "those nuts in my throat"...the jokes are worth the trip alone
Need to see if you can get a separator in there,
haha homeopathic on this sh1t!! best analogy today.
thank you for the laughs!
no joke I want to see some higher power and also some proper balloons on this.
I have no doubt you can get her to blow
Hey! Been a follower a while and love your channel! I wonder what knife it is we see @24.50? Greetings from Sweden =)
That's one I made a few years back. O1 steel full tang blade, and maple burl from one dropped in my backyard. Thank you for noticing it!
"Those crystals there can do some pretty cool shit"!
WHAT??? ...... You going to leave us dangling like that??
Look at my screaming gummy bear video 👍
I think I just found my next project. Haha! 😉
I'm pretty sure youre Sam from the Serious Sam series of games.
Great!
They use this for swimming pools on a larger "scale". And speaking of scale...won't one electrode develop calcium deposits on it? Calcium chloride and all. I use this method to oxygenate my well water to stop the sulfur smell by killing the bacteria in the well, but i do not use salt of coarse.
If you use pure water and no calcium salts your electrodes will last almost indefinitely as long as your not overpowering them causing passivation. If you only can get tap water than yes it could become an issue, but I used DI water.
@@ElementalMaker Cool...yes I see the De-Ionized water. Thank you for the response.
nice one
Cool!
What happens is sulphur used in chlorate mixes over time degrades to produce sulphuric acid and potassium chlorate and sulphuric acid spontaniouly combust lol but potassium perchlorate has an extra oxygen mol and is stable, use methyl blue to see if u have formed perchlorates it will turn violet once you've converted it from sodium chlorate via double displacment using potassium cloride👍😉
@Whoop!!
Instead of trying to fill a balloon try a trash bag, get rid of static first, then use bicycle type pump inside to fill balloon. Get more in the balloon
Very cool idea!
@@ElementalMaker I found the volume was there but not the pressure to fill a balloon. Haven't tried yet but I was thinking of a bellows type foot pump.
@@ElementalMaker oh keep the fuse on the bottom of the balloon sparks fall. Learned that mistake with my dad's torches.
They would be calling Big Clive the Tartan terrorist here in the UK if he done half the shit you do.
Yo.. That bad toy 3d printed? Does it work well? Fairly robist... Would love to know more *insert starship troopers meme*
Haven't tested it yet