Okay this move sounds awful and all but there's something truly hilarious about the notion of a move that exists to counter kicks and only kicks and therefore is useless against Balrog
I have a theory on what his counter actually was in development. It works only on certain types of moves because of its unique animation. I think what happened is during development Capcom wanted to give Gief a counter, however animation for it would be contextual, if it countered kicks it would go into this animation, for punches - arm twisting animation. But perhaps it didn't work out well with designing all the cases for animation and it gor scrapped leaving only this version. What gives weight to this theory is that SFV already has contextual animations, some throws have different animations depending if the opponent stands or crouches.
I've thought all along that was the goal for this game. Look at some heavy punches when they're blocked. The animations are different. I think they wanted all moves to be this way, but money and time prevented it.
One cool thing would be characters having different throws, depending of the weight / size of the opponent. Basically, Ibuki couldn't lift Abigail with her back throw : so in the match up, the throw would be weaker against him.
@@chrispo7610 yes and no, because the animations would also be unique. Like, King K Rool couldn't be easily thrown by the Ice Climbers, but Donkey Could still could.
That was the problem. It did too much with little drawback. The whole point of the "big grappler" archetype is that they can't get in easily. Green hand was basically "I get in whenever I want the round to be over".
I once managed to get the Round winning hit with Tundra Storm. But that was before I knew not to spam buttons and it was entirely accidental. Just for the record, it was against Ryu's corner Tatsu.
I dont play this game But Like You Already Cant Counter Half of the things But Now You Cut counterable things in Half And then...in half and Half again so yeee
@Random Username It's like how Jiren in DBFZ when he first came out had the three versions of shock tornado where I think it worked like: light beats mids and highs but loses to lows, and the medium version only beats lows but loses to mids and highs, heavy version beats all three, and all versions lose to projectiles. Then he had his hand move that would only beat projectiles but lose to any physical attacks. So if you ever wanted to use literally any of his counters you had to be 100% sure your opponent was gonna do what you thought they were gonna do, or you were getting punished.
When I was looking for who to main, I took Zangief to the lab and made the Ryu dummy do st.HK Then I tried 5 times to do the parry, failed, and made the dummy do st.MK instead. When it worked I thought "fuck no" and went to look for another character
*SNK making counter moves* Geese Howard: Predictable! (proceeds to combo out of this) *Capcom making counter moves* Zangief: not Balrog again. Balrog: kicks are for loosers.
*Namco making counters* YOU GET A COUNTER, YOU GET A COUNTER, YOU GET A COUNTER! *Everyone proceeds to almost never use their counter... except Asuka players, but we don't talk about them.*
@@jordanguelbert7754 Except this isn't true. While many characters do have unnecessary reversals, lots of characters use theirs in high level play. Examples are: Jin, Master Raven, Feng, Law, Leroy (because his are broken), Asuka (as you mentioned), Marduk, Geese (if you count guest characters), Bryan and even Lei and Ganryu. If we include titles older than Tekken 7, then the list grows longer, with Wang probably being the most infamous example. I do agree that Namco has become rather unnecessarily generous over the years with these types of moves, I'd say at least 50% of them are useful.
“We see how much the fan base wants buffs for Zangief, so here you go.” -Capcom Season 2 “Actually, nevermind. But hey Tundra Storm is, uh, better now.” -Capcom Season 3.
I love tundra storm. It builds meter at a half but it's safer to use from full screen to coax fireballs for you to headbutt as well. I've yet to grab Ken's v-reversal but some day I will. And I definitely grabbed a Sim's leg right at the start of a round. It was great.
I was watching Itabashi the other day ... He managed to pull that move to close a round ... It was hype AF, specially because it was the first time I saw this move, i was so confused, i thought it was V-Skill 2 or something like that. Sad that is so ... Garbage, move looks great.
I didn't even know this was in the game. It may be near-useless but I find it extremely cool so I'm glad it's in there anyway. If I were a gief main I'd get such a kick out of busting this out once in a blue moon. Maybe against cammy's st.MK.
That's how I feel about it too, the fact it's so niche just makes it all the more satisfying when you do bust it out, plus it fits Gief aesthetically really nicely.
@@BigYellowSilly I had this accidentally come out once, only to catch a Ken mid-kick and finish off a Perfect KO. The best trolling end to a match ever.
Coming back to this video, I'd just like to point out that the moment he said "Zangief's iconic Green Hand" is the moment I found out Green Hand existed the first time I watched this
Looking at MvC, I wonder when fighting game devs will realize that counters generally suck, ESPECIALLY if the counter only counters certain attacks. Wesker in MvV3 had three counters for low/med/high and literally nobody ever used them because that's a 1/3 guessing game and why bother with it when you can just block or attack instead? If you insist on giving someone a counter, it better not come with a bunch of restrictions because then it just becomes too risky to even bother with.
Super specific counters really are the worst kinds of moves, even if that one in a million chance comes around where it would be a good option, it doesn't matter cause I forget it exists
Counter can be good if they can counter almost everything like how season 3.5 Jiren from DBFZ,even they can try to counter back at it,he can just vanish back to complete safe and beat all safe option they have included spark and also he can combo after it for free as long you have assist for it. Both mk9 Johnny and mkx Sonya counter super is a example how to make good counter super,they can be cancelable at anytime even opponent try to pressure you,has frame 1 start up so opponent cannot just stop and wait as the animation up unless it's a read,gives you a combo after that which lead alots of damage but they're not broken mainly they're required full 3 bars to use it and if opponent don't press button once you used it,you basically f*cked. Overall counter can be good if they're fast on start up and can cancelable or can be a combo extender afterward Edit: and also not a specific type of counter since you're going to forgot it unless it has alot of benefit to it
And yet people love Geese Howard's high low mid counters(not to say they're spectacular, but they're liked and decent), there's definitely space for context sensitive counters but they still need to be consistent and worthwhile, the "guessing" game isn't really as bad as you make it out to be when you remember that blocking is already a prediction game for highs and lows, hitting your counter is just a more firm response, tbh its kinda like saying parry in SF3 sucks because you have to read high low and missing is a bad commitment This isn't to say there isn't issues with that paradigm for counters, such as whether they fit the rest of the gameplan, Wesker does not need such a button after all, but those issues are significantly smaller than the issues on a move like Tundra Storm, and largely come down to how much reward you get off hitting them and how easily you can go into them Its funny, a counter like this should be half decent on Gief, it provides a way of conditioning not to hit buttons you dislike, but the problem is that its just abject garbage with no real payout, so you would never use it for that when just hitting a whiff punish does better
@@syrelian honestly, Geese’s counters especially in later versions are genuinely pretty great. Even low counter can be useful because it sends the opponent full screen so Geese can start his zoning game, and the other two are just nutty. High counter beats basically everything except lows, including specials and supers. Mid counter only beats mid and overhead normals but it gives you a full combo. Honestly I think fighting game counters are either really good or really bad, I’ve never really seen any counters that are just alright.
i....did not know Zangief had this move. I've seen so many tournament matches and played against my GF who mains Gief and i have *never* seen this move.
You'll never see it in a tournament or from a high-level Gief, because the only time it comes out is by accident. They are too solid mechanically to accidentally input this.
This reversal makes almost perfect sense to a Tekken player, in fact King has almost this exact reversal. King’s reversal catches mid and high kicks, but (as would already be obvious to a Tekken player) not knees and not low kicks. I’ll admit it’s very weird seeing a street fighter character have a move like this.
Yeah based on what little I know about Tekken (where there's a very large variety of attacks that only work in certain situations) that sort of move makes a lot of sense in that context. But for 2D fighters it seems a lot more unusual for the way a move is animated to have such a specific effect on gameplay like this.
SF6 should bring back Zangeif's Banishing Flat slap and rework this counter to have different animation for punches and kicks depending on how they hit.
That move exists to be a "buff black hole". Any buff that character receives will be wasted on that move, but they will never make that move remotely useful or game changer. This way the devs that justify any nerf to balance out the "buffs". I have no proof or this, but I don't have doubts either.
It works on Lucia's EX DP. It's also useful against Nash, Sagat, Zeku. Sakura, Laura and Bison players often use kicks that can be punished by the move.
This move actually IS moderately useful in a few matches/instances. If you predict Akuma is going to V-reversal, you can actually buffer this move to catch it. If he doesn't do one, the move won't come out. It catches at least 4 different Lucia attacks including all versions of her hurricane, EX included. It catches at least 4 of Cody's attacks, too. Ed, Juri, and (especially now) Nash players love using sobat attacks, which it works against. Sakura, Kolin, and Cammy players also tend to spam HK or MK catchable kicks at medium distance. If you ever land this move or even show people you might try it - you'll see a lot of players totally stop using moves it works against. Still, it's mostly for styling on people and they really should have made it work against Dhalsim's MK instead of just HK. Beating a Dhalsim with this move might be the single best feeling you'll ever get in SF5, though.
Other use of this move is for build meter, has low cooldown and is very spammable so you can use it while you are at the distance or while your oponent is in stun
The global nerfs to anti-air jabs in season 3 was so badly thought out. Some characters had slow or upward reaching jabs (like Alex) that have very little utility against a grounded opponent. Instead of nerfing specific anti-air jabs, Capcom just nerfed it globally. And the irony is with Alex, even after the nerf, standing LP was still his best meterless anti-air until they nerfed it further. Capcom buffed Alex every season but the global changes meant that until the final patch, his core problems weren't properly addressed. Your only meterless anti air options were a frame 9 standing HP or frame 10 crouching HP.
I’ll never understand why they made it so restricted. You could at least have it catch all standing kick moves which is still more restrictive than most counters but gets rid of the weirdness of not being able to grab some kicks
The thing is it doesn't even give really good oki on hit (i think, never really used the move much). So it doesnt have any advantage over other options other than maybe damage and stun (if you dont spd them)
There's still no reason to use it for that because it's frame 6, so he'd rather just use his frame 5 SPD or his charged heavy punch which gets armor on frame 4
@Stealphie I’m a casual player I don’t look at frames. I like going outside, doing sports, getting my back slammed on the floor in Wrestling. I don’t like frames. Playing with friends and family is much more fun than online competitive play. Trust me, if you play with your friends and family and other people you know. Especially in person, it will be a lot more fun.
I’m gonna also tell you an opinion of mine. I think Russian Suplex/Atomic Suplex needs light medium and heavy variants. Basically. The stronger button equals the stronger Suplex. Light would do the same damage as light Spinning Piledriver and will have the most range. It will also be the fastest. Medium would be the already existing one. Heavy would do the highest damage. Which would be about as much as heavy SPD. But would be the slowest.
@@randomsupergodzillalizardd9981 I enjoy playing the game competitively because I enjoy the strategy to it and I feel like it's pretty silly you're trying to paint yourself as superior for enjoying the game in a different way.
@Stealphie I’m not trying to paint myself superior. I am only showing you how I play the game. I have no superiority complex, I’m only one of 8 billion. You can live however you want. I have nothing against you, no aggression. You can like me or dislike me. I can like you or dislike you. In fact, life is currently a living hell for me. I hope you enjoy your life. Play how you want.
Y’know... If this move just countered attacks based on what button was pushed, (L for low, M for mid, H for high) it wouldn’t be AS useless as it is now.
I am pretty sure you could headbutt fireballs in season 1. See the Zangief launch trailer. Indeed I did a lot of Tundra Storm by accident when it was one punch button, and it cost me quite a few rounds, as in SFV letting the opponent once means likely KO. So, unlike what you said, I did not consider the addition of that move as a buff but a net nerf. Rarely I would actually throw it on purpose, but it’s in very specific match up like Cammy, Ken or Kolin where the player abuses one good kick button. Arguably it does feel very good when you pull it. Other than that the only usefulness is for meter building. It’s quite good for that actually.
Okay no; first of all, 6HP always destroyed projectiles and it used to give 50 meter (which was nerfed mid season one 50 -> 30). Second let me explain the point of tundra storm. There are generally three kinds of kicks in the game: low (like Ryu 2MK) mid (like ryu 5MK) and high (like Ryu 5HK). Zangief had a way to beat two of them. He could use 6MK (his hop knee) to beat the low, and use 2MK to beat the high. Now for the mid he supposedly could use VS or 5HP. The problem was that it didn’t always work. For example Ken’s mid 5HK hits below the belt which would crush counter any 5HP from Zangief. So going into the second season they gave him tundra storm as a was to truly counter mid kicks
Of course tundra storm is still garbage and back then it was even worse at the input was 623P which Zangief’s could and often did on accident. So they changed it to PP623 to prevent that. Also season 2 gave Zangief a really good lariet which made him top 4 in some people’s eyes. But since we can’t have Zangief being good they nerfed it. So overall while tundra storm is a joke it did have a purpose.
I've actually never considered the synergy with 6MK, that at least kinda explains the thought process behind it. Shame it didn't really work out in practice but that's pretty neat!
I honestly have no idea why they took green hand away and never gave it vack its not like geif will be broken if he's given green hand he'll still be low tier
Compare this to a kick parry in Tekken 7 like Asuka's b 2+3. B 2+3 is a fantastic move because it is evasive, safe and has decent range. But what puts it further ahead is that it's a consistent kick parry in a game full of great kicks. I just don't see the need for specific limb parries in a game so limited like SF5, or at least to have it be far more rewarding for such a read. Maybe it's good against Karin's poking but that's just asking to get launched by a low imo.
"Zangief shouts 'come' every time you use the move"
Instant S++ tier
Okay this move sounds awful and all but there's something truly hilarious about the notion of a move that exists to counter kicks and only kicks and therefore is useless against Balrog
It really makes me wonder if there's another character the move does nothing against just cause they all have kicks this move decides not to work on
Funnily enough if they end up adding Elena to SFV, this counter should actually be at least decent against her considering that she only uses kicks.
@@j-meister3284 imagine if he had this move in SF4. All of a sudden someone actually beats Elena.
And only SOME kick attacks. Not all of them.
@@PsychoJoshnow it would have been better if it was against low hit. But that gives gief too much
According to the director, the only reason this move exists is because the staff loves Dragon Screws.
Honestly respect lmao
Much like the staff
I love dragon screws
Not even Tanahashi could support this version though.
The one that was fired?
@@OhNoTheFace The Battle Director for SFV has always been Woshige.
I have a theory on what his counter actually was in development. It works only on certain types of moves because of its unique animation. I think what happened is during development Capcom wanted to give Gief a counter, however animation for it would be contextual, if it countered kicks it would go into this animation, for punches - arm twisting animation. But perhaps it didn't work out well with designing all the cases for animation and it gor scrapped leaving only this version. What gives weight to this theory is that SFV already has contextual animations, some throws have different animations depending if the opponent stands or crouches.
I've thought all along that was the goal for this game. Look at some heavy punches when they're blocked. The animations are different. I think they wanted all moves to be this way, but money and time prevented it.
One cool thing would be characters having different throws, depending of the weight / size of the opponent.
Basically, Ibuki couldn't lift Abigail with her back throw : so in the match up, the throw would be weaker against him.
Sounds like Tekken series’ King and his Counter
@@Kara-de5cz smash bros lfg
@@chrispo7610 yes and no, because the animations would also be unique. Like, King K Rool couldn't be easily thrown by the Ice Climbers, but Donkey Could still could.
Man I love green hand it was such a good move to close the gap and the ex version was so good
I wished it returned
It was TOO good
That was the problem. It did too much with little drawback. The whole point of the "big grappler" archetype is that they can't get in easily. Green hand was basically "I get in whenever I want the round to be over".
Its also zangiefs only cool move imo he's just kinda bland
Justice needs to be done on Capcom for getting rid of his green hand
I'm a Zangief main, and I literally forgot this move existed. No joke.
Use it for meter building, comrade. That’s 99% of my usage with it.
Me too comrade, me too
I saw it in a trailer once and then completely forgot about it.
I once managed to get the Round winning hit with Tundra Storm.
But that was before I knew not to spam buttons and it was entirely accidental.
Just for the record, it was against Ryu's corner Tatsu.
I forgot this move exist until I saw this video, considering that it's so situational.
"It'll parry kicks attacks" and I can already see why this move is bad and it just kept getting worse
Seriously
The punch counter couldn’t have been to hard make!?!
XD
I dont play this game But Like You Already Cant Counter Half of the things But Now You Cut counterable things in Half And then...in half and Half again so yeee
@Random Username It's like how Jiren in DBFZ when he first came out had the three versions of shock tornado where I think it worked like: light beats mids and highs but loses to lows, and the medium version only beats lows but loses to mids and highs, heavy version beats all three, and all versions lose to projectiles. Then he had his hand move that would only beat projectiles but lose to any physical attacks.
So if you ever wanted to use literally any of his counters you had to be 100% sure your opponent was gonna do what you thought they were gonna do, or you were getting punished.
When I was looking for who to main, I took Zangief to the lab and made the Ryu dummy do st.HK
Then I tried 5 times to do the parry, failed, and made the dummy do st.MK instead. When it worked I thought "fuck no" and went to look for another character
YO GIEF-SIM MATCH UP IS 10-0 GIEF NOW?
If you land that you win the mental matchup
*SNK making counter moves*
Geese Howard: Predictable! (proceeds to combo out of this)
*Capcom making counter moves*
Zangief: not Balrog again.
Balrog: kicks are for loosers.
Dhalsim: AHHHHH AH AHHHH AHH!
Zangeif: why are you running?! Why are you runnning?!
*Arc Systems making counter moves*
Hakumen: EMPTY SKY TRUE FORM! JUDGEMENT OF THE SWORD! (Is a Match Ending finisher.)
*Namco making counters*
YOU GET A COUNTER, YOU GET A COUNTER, YOU GET A COUNTER!
*Everyone proceeds to almost never use their counter... except Asuka players, but we don't talk about them.*
@@jordanguelbert7754 Except this isn't true. While many characters do have unnecessary reversals, lots of characters use theirs in high level play. Examples are: Jin, Master Raven, Feng, Law, Leroy (because his are broken), Asuka (as you mentioned), Marduk, Geese (if you count guest characters), Bryan and even Lei and Ganryu.
If we include titles older than Tekken 7, then the list grows longer, with Wang probably being the most infamous example.
I do agree that Namco has become rather unnecessarily generous over the years with these types of moves, I'd say at least 50% of them are useful.
@@lordflashheart3741 you sound fun
Greetings from SF6, where Tundra Storm now at least has a fairly circumstantial, matchup dependent use.
i wish they would just make it counter everything, punches, kicks, knees, whatever, and maybe more unique animations that would be cool
Its mad specific lol
You also get a crush counter when you punish the parry on whiff. Very risky to throw out mindlessly .
Funnily enough when I made this vid, I recorded a clip showing that off, forgot to put it in, and found it like 2 days later lmao
Dhalsim is probably the exact reason they made this move
True, and the fact that vskill 1 does pretty much the same job but less risky.
And now the ex spd nerf is the final nail on our coffin.
Nice video.
I feel so bad for Gief mains after that nerf, that was so unwarranted. He deserves some serious buffs now
In love with the fighting game garbage series and glad creeps showed me your channel!
Thanks I really appreciate it! Also you're in luck cause there's a new one dropping in the next hour.
@@BigYellowSilly YOOO LETS GOOO
“We see how much the fan base wants buffs for Zangief, so here you go.”
-Capcom Season 2
“Actually, nevermind. But hey Tundra Storm is, uh, better now.”
-Capcom Season 3.
This move could have been good, the rules that don't make sense are what broke it, just make it parry every kick...
I love tundra storm. It builds meter at a half but it's safer to use from full screen to coax fireballs for you to headbutt as well. I've yet to grab Ken's v-reversal but some day I will. And I definitely grabbed a Sim's leg right at the start of a round. It was great.
I was watching Itabashi the other day ... He managed to pull that move to close a round ... It was hype AF, specially because it was the first time I saw this move, i was so confused, i thought it was V-Skill 2 or something like that. Sad that is so ... Garbage, move looks great.
@Quik_PenZ Just search Itabashi vs Juuzan in the FGC Palace channel.
I didn't even know this was in the game. It may be near-useless but I find it extremely cool so I'm glad it's in there anyway. If I were a gief main I'd get such a kick out of busting this out once in a blue moon. Maybe against cammy's st.MK.
That's how I feel about it too, the fact it's so niche just makes it all the more satisfying when you do bust it out, plus it fits Gief aesthetically really nicely.
@@BigYellowSilly I had this accidentally come out once, only to catch a Ken mid-kick and finish off a Perfect KO. The best trolling end to a match ever.
@@JCintheBCC Stuff like that is why I'm glad this move is in the game lmaooo
This should've been a catch-all (literally) counter to any strike move, like Holds in Dead or Alive.
Coming back to this video, I'd just like to point out that the moment he said "Zangief's iconic Green Hand" is the moment I found out Green Hand existed the first time I watched this
SF6 trailer came out and its back and fixed to work on grounded kicks. They really do want a Dragon Screw ingame.
3:42 And in Japanise dub, he shouts "Hui", which means "Cock" in Russian
Good move
Looking at MvC, I wonder when fighting game devs will realize that counters generally suck, ESPECIALLY if the counter only counters certain attacks. Wesker in MvV3 had three counters for low/med/high and literally nobody ever used them because that's a 1/3 guessing game and why bother with it when you can just block or attack instead? If you insist on giving someone a counter, it better not come with a bunch of restrictions because then it just becomes too risky to even bother with.
Super specific counters really are the worst kinds of moves, even if that one in a million chance comes around where it would be a good option, it doesn't matter cause I forget it exists
Counter can be good if they can counter almost everything like how season 3.5 Jiren from DBFZ,even they can try to counter back at it,he can just vanish back to complete safe and beat all safe option they have included spark and also he can combo after it for free as long you have assist for it. Both mk9 Johnny and mkx Sonya counter super is a example how to make good counter super,they can be cancelable at anytime even opponent try to pressure you,has frame 1 start up so opponent cannot just stop and wait as the animation up unless it's a read,gives you a combo after that which lead alots of damage but they're not broken mainly they're required full 3 bars to use it and if opponent don't press button once you used it,you basically f*cked.
Overall counter can be good if they're fast on start up and can cancelable or can be a combo extender afterward
Edit: and also not a specific type of counter since you're going to forgot it unless it has alot of benefit to it
What about Jubei's counters in samsho?
And yet people love Geese Howard's high low mid counters(not to say they're spectacular, but they're liked and decent), there's definitely space for context sensitive counters but they still need to be consistent and worthwhile, the "guessing" game isn't really as bad as you make it out to be when you remember that blocking is already a prediction game for highs and lows, hitting your counter is just a more firm response, tbh its kinda like saying parry in SF3 sucks because you have to read high low and missing is a bad commitment
This isn't to say there isn't issues with that paradigm for counters, such as whether they fit the rest of the gameplan, Wesker does not need such a button after all, but those issues are significantly smaller than the issues on a move like Tundra Storm, and largely come down to how much reward you get off hitting them and how easily you can go into them
Its funny, a counter like this should be half decent on Gief, it provides a way of conditioning not to hit buttons you dislike, but the problem is that its just abject garbage with no real payout, so you would never use it for that when just hitting a whiff punish does better
@@syrelian honestly, Geese’s counters especially in later versions are genuinely pretty great. Even low counter can be useful because it sends the opponent full screen so Geese can start his zoning game, and the other two are just nutty. High counter beats basically everything except lows, including specials and supers. Mid counter only beats mid and overhead normals but it gives you a full combo.
Honestly I think fighting game counters are either really good or really bad, I’ve never really seen any counters that are just alright.
Literally never seen this move ever used. And one of my friends mains zangief
The move is actually pretty good for building meter after a stun
What if Elena got added, this move would actually have a single matchup it does good in.
Continuing the fighting game exclusive trend of “Badass Name and/or Idea, But Completely Useless.”
So glad they buffed this in 6.
i....did not know Zangief had this move. I've seen so many tournament matches and played against my GF who mains Gief and i have *never* seen this move.
You'll never see it in a tournament or from a high-level Gief, because the only time it comes out is by accident. They are too solid mechanically to accidentally input this.
This is definitely an AVGN "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?" moment.
This reversal makes almost perfect sense to a Tekken player, in fact King has almost this exact reversal.
King’s reversal catches mid and high kicks, but (as would already be obvious to a Tekken player) not knees and not low kicks.
I’ll admit it’s very weird seeing a street fighter character have a move like this.
Yeah based on what little I know about Tekken (where there's a very large variety of attacks that only work in certain situations) that sort of move makes a lot of sense in that context. But for 2D fighters it seems a lot more unusual for the way a move is animated to have such a specific effect on gameplay like this.
Zangief; has a parry move that only counters kicks
Juri mains;*hyper-ventilating*
Gief without green hand. Who the fuck thought of that bright idea?
You can tell they really wanted to make Gief a tank in this game, but it defo didn't work out. Gief has a good case for bottom 1 atm
Thankfully, they fixed this move in SF6 (though sadly it wasn't by wiping it from existence and bringing back Green Hand)
What if tundra countered all kicks in general.
Ngl, even then I don't know if it would be that good. You'd have more chances to land it for sure but it's still so risky
@@BigYellowSilly true but if it is going to be limited to kicks then let that be the case. Maybe you can start your pressure after the counter
Why not just makes it counter all non-low moves.
SF6 should bring back Zangeif's Banishing Flat slap and rework this counter to have different animation for punches and kicks depending on how they hit.
That move exists to be a "buff black hole". Any buff that character receives will be wasted on that move, but they will never make that move remotely useful or game changer.
This way the devs that justify any nerf to balance out the "buffs".
I have no proof or this, but I don't have doubts either.
Seems like they pulled this from Tekken, where you couldnt reverse knees...
The Dhalsim bit was 10/10.
It works on Lucia's EX DP. It's also useful against Nash, Sagat, Zeku. Sakura, Laura and Bison players often use kicks that can be punished by the move.
This move actually IS moderately useful in a few matches/instances. If you predict Akuma is going to V-reversal, you can actually buffer this move to catch it. If he doesn't do one, the move won't come out. It catches at least 4 different Lucia attacks including all versions of her hurricane, EX included. It catches at least 4 of Cody's attacks, too. Ed, Juri, and (especially now) Nash players love using sobat attacks, which it works against. Sakura, Kolin, and Cammy players also tend to spam HK or MK catchable kicks at medium distance. If you ever land this move or even show people you might try it - you'll see a lot of players totally stop using moves it works against. Still, it's mostly for styling on people and they really should have made it work against Dhalsim's MK instead of just HK. Beating a Dhalsim with this move might be the single best feeling you'll ever get in SF5, though.
I was today years old when I found out this was a parry
I only ever use this move to top off my super meter if I'm fullscreen away
Give Gief back his green hand already
I see Zangief players use the counter vs Dhalsim. Hilarious how it teleports Dhalsim into the grab
I didn't even know this move existed...
Other use of this move is for build meter, has low cooldown and is very spammable so you can use it while you are at the distance or while your oponent is in stun
This had me laughing for all the wrong reasons lmao
“Just because you are bad guy, doesn’t mean you our bad guy.” Our guy, Zangief, here.
Edit: except maybe here.
I think people would've spammed the hell out of gief's tundra storm if it worked like sfxt king's or asuka's counter.
If this counter was in sf4 imagine the Elena matchup
That would be amazing Elena would be scared all the time
The global nerfs to anti-air jabs in season 3 was so badly thought out. Some characters had slow or upward reaching jabs (like Alex) that have very little utility against a grounded opponent. Instead of nerfing specific anti-air jabs, Capcom just nerfed it globally. And the irony is with Alex, even after the nerf, standing LP was still his best meterless anti-air until they nerfed it further. Capcom buffed Alex every season but the global changes meant that until the final patch, his core problems weren't properly addressed. Your only meterless anti air options were a frame 9 standing HP or frame 10 crouching HP.
There's also like the entire existence of Season 3 Abigail who had his anti-air jab buffed and kept it for two whole seasons
I’ll never understand why they made it so restricted. You could at least have it catch all standing kick moves which is still more restrictive than most counters but gets rid of the weirdness of not being able to grab some kicks
The thing is it doesn't even give really good oki on hit (i think, never really used the move much). So it doesnt have any advantage over other options other than maybe damage and stun (if you dont spd them)
"On the bright side..."
The move became so much better in SF6 because it can counter the Drive Impact’s of like 8 characters from what I remember.
There's still no reason to use it for that because it's frame 6, so he'd rather just use his frame 5 SPD or his charged heavy punch which gets armor on frame 4
@Stealphie I’m a casual player I don’t look at frames. I like going outside, doing sports, getting my back slammed on the floor in Wrestling. I don’t like frames. Playing with friends and family is much more fun than online competitive play. Trust me, if you play with your friends and family and other people you know. Especially in person, it will be a lot more fun.
I’m gonna also tell you an opinion of mine. I think Russian Suplex/Atomic Suplex needs light medium and heavy variants.
Basically. The stronger button equals the stronger Suplex.
Light would do the same damage as light Spinning Piledriver and will have the most range. It will also be the fastest.
Medium would be the already existing one.
Heavy would do the highest damage. Which would be about as much as heavy SPD. But would be the slowest.
@@randomsupergodzillalizardd9981 I enjoy playing the game competitively because I enjoy the strategy to it and I feel like it's pretty silly you're trying to paint yourself as superior for enjoying the game in a different way.
@Stealphie I’m not trying to paint myself superior. I am only showing you how I play the game. I have no superiority complex, I’m only one of 8 billion. You can live however you want. I have nothing against you, no aggression. You can like me or dislike me. I can like you or dislike you. In fact, life is currently a living hell for me. I hope you enjoy your life. Play how you want.
Can you update this video ... compare Tundra Storm from SFV to SF6
Yo I didn't even know that move existed 🤣 holy shit!
Since the data for the older versions of characters already exists in the game I feel like it should be possible to mod them back into the main game.
Yeah so maybe a bit late but headbutt did negate projectiles in Season 1, what they added was meter gain when doing so.
Recently finally bought the game, picked Gief against cpu, spammed ts because he says CUM accidentally successfuly landed it. That was weird.
This is what fighting games are truly all about
@@BigYellowSilly that is the truth
I literally didn't know this move existed
It's back! It looks like it counters Honda's heavy kick which it would not have done in V, so maybe it'll be good!
Y’know... If this move just countered attacks based on what button was pushed, (L for low, M for mid, H for high) it wouldn’t be AS useless as it is now.
It's actually pretty good for meter building
wait, Zangief has a counter?
Yeah, because we all know the trials show you the optimal combos. :rolleyes:
No way is this move making it into any other game. Enjoy it while it lasts.
I have bad news from the future
Maybe it’s a parody of tekken’s low parry???
I literally never knew this move existed
This move was only made to give him a way to build meter lol
It actually fucks up Cammy. Smk is her best way to keep gief out.
I am pretty sure you could headbutt fireballs in season 1. See the Zangief launch trailer.
Indeed I did a lot of Tundra Storm by accident when it was one punch button, and it cost me quite a few rounds, as in SFV letting the opponent once means likely KO. So, unlike what you said, I did not consider the addition of that move as a buff but a net nerf.
Rarely I would actually throw it on purpose, but it’s in very specific match up like Cammy, Ken or Kolin where the player abuses one good kick button. Arguably it does feel very good when you pull it.
Other than that the only usefulness is for meter building. It’s quite good for that actually.
I just clicked because of the thumbnail ngl
I wonder how life would be with sfv green hand
Wtf. I had no idea you could use older season characters in training mode.
Not training mode exactly, you have to play old combo trials
@@BigYellowSilly Ah gotcha.
I always thought the TS animation looked like it could be the start up for GH. Maybe if it used kicks to do TS and then a punch to cancel into GH.
It sometimes helps when an opponent tries to keep distance with long kicks, but I agree that Capcom should have made it more useful
It’s a kick parry that doesn’t parry lows, highs, jump ins, specials, Balrog…
0:21 i heard soldier form tf2 scream *medic* softly
Looks like this move will continue to be garbage in SF6 too!
aaah.. mighty Zangief
he was my main, but i rarely use Zangief now
It got better when kick V shift Counters were added, so they had to remove throw invincibility on EX SPD 🤡
only seen it to build meter after a stun
i didn’t even know it was in the game
I never even knew the move existed, bruh
You could still do green hand, you just need it to be like ST (Quarter circle down)
I played Gief because my stick broke and I only had a Hori mini that was too small for my hands
Guess what move is back in 6?
Absolutely dooming now.
a cute reminder that the worst move in sf5 got actually nerfed in sf6; being active on frame 6 instead of frame 2 and being only +5 on hit
Okay no; first of all, 6HP always destroyed projectiles and it used to give 50 meter (which was nerfed mid season one 50 -> 30).
Second let me explain the point of tundra storm. There are generally three kinds of kicks in the game: low (like Ryu 2MK) mid (like ryu 5MK) and high (like Ryu 5HK). Zangief had a way to beat two of them. He could use 6MK (his hop knee) to beat the low, and use 2MK to beat the high. Now for the mid he supposedly could use VS or 5HP. The problem was that it didn’t always work. For example Ken’s mid 5HK hits below the belt which would crush counter any 5HP from Zangief. So going into the second season they gave him tundra storm as a was to truly counter mid kicks
Of course tundra storm is still garbage and back then it was even worse at the input was 623P which Zangief’s could and often did on accident. So they changed it to PP623 to prevent that. Also season 2 gave Zangief a really good lariet which made him top 4 in some people’s eyes. But since we can’t have Zangief being good they nerfed it. So overall while tundra storm is a joke it did have a purpose.
I've actually never considered the synergy with 6MK, that at least kinda explains the thought process behind it. Shame it didn't really work out in practice but that's pretty neat!
But I do enjoy people using Zangief on the Marvel vs Capcom series true muscle power
I honestly have no idea why they took green hand away and never gave it vack its not like geif will be broken if he's given green hand he'll still be low tier
And now it's back in sf6 hopefully it's a bit better
I wonder if they will buff this or give him back the green hand on March 29th patch ...
No Green Hand but the buffs sound kinda fun I can't lie
@@BigYellowSilly Are the notes out yet? I haven't looked into that yet
If the Street Fighter The Movie Arcade game has Green Hand and I passionately HATE that game, its criminal that SFV doesn't have it!
Compare this to a kick parry in Tekken 7 like Asuka's b 2+3. B 2+3 is a fantastic move because it is evasive, safe and has decent range. But what puts it further ahead is that it's a consistent kick parry in a game full of great kicks. I just don't see the need for specific limb parries in a game so limited like SF5, or at least to have it be far more rewarding for such a read. Maybe it's good against Karin's poking but that's just asking to get launched by a low imo.
It's... decent in sf6. Especially against characters with kick drive impacts
If you can react to a DI, just SPD at that point
Doing a SPD is a much harder input I guess @@benro6564