Is that a green lava lamp behind you at 19:53? I heard they make them with a bottle cap now that pops if they build up pressure after that one kind of exploded or shattered spontaneously years ago....safety matches on! 😊 Thank you kindly for the video...cheers.
@@stevengill1736 You are told specifically when you buy these and in the booklets that come with them that you are not supposed to have them on for a long time anyway. Because ... You guessed it they can explode. So just dont leave them on over night. And the smaller the lamp and the more spurious companies that make them ... A lot of variables. But the Mathmos ones are the best (which is what it looks like he has here) and they are also recommended to not have them left on for too long. You can tell when they have been on too long by the look of the bubble. If they are no longer rising and falling and are just hovering up top ... Too hot. Also do not change the wattage of the bulbs. Especially higher. Low wattage will just take longer so better to lower wattage but never raise it.
@@stevengill1736 As a poste script. I have seen many RUclipsrs with videos where they have lava lamps and you can tell that in the vain of continuity for their videos you can see that they go from not even melted to rising and falling, and then the wax looks likes snakes all trying to breach the surface of the Oil and look like they are about to explode. And can you imagine the shocking injuries Hot Oil and Melted Wax could do to you ... Don't bare thinking about.
LoL!! You've reminded me of the time I went to a sea life exhibition in Brighton in the early 70's. There was a tank containing a Blue Ring Octopus. It had a large notice "This Creature is deadly poisonous. There is no known antidote to its toxins. You will die " and the tank was sealed by a padlocked steel lid. My dad joked to one of the attendants "You're not taking any chances!" and the bloke replied "We used to just have the notice (you will die etc) but had to seal the tank as at least six people a day tried to touch it" !!!
@@infrasleep I nearly touched an adult one in the wild by accident with my foot on a reef once. If they do bite you, you probably won't even feel it. If someone collapses after a bite, you have to immediately start CPR / defib etc. or they will die in minutes, as it paralyses all muscles. There is no anti-venom, so they have to keep you alive until it wears off.
Executive sees on TV that fancy lightweight aircraft are made of carbon fiber, demands submarine be made of it too without the most basic understanding of what carbon fiber is.
My spouse works in aviation safety and constantly has to remind designers and engineers of this. You are in a tube, thousands of feet above the ground. Safest is best, not cheapest, not fastest. Accurate and safe. The regulations those groups are so angry about working to EXIST FOR A REASON. MANY OF THEM. The number of people they work with the don't understand this chills me. So glad people like my spouse exist to deny signing off on that bs.
Hey look on the brightside, at least they have warned future generation not to f*ck with the sea. lol It's just as perilous, if not more, going up in space. Humans were's meant to go into unforgiving environments, period.
Suleman Dawood, the young guy, didn’t want to go and he felt so uneasy about it, as the relatives told the press. RIP Suleman and the other 4 lives lost for what??? Nothing!!!
He wanted to solve a rubix cube down there to be the first to do so. Seems like the guy was very exited.... Sorry only idiots would go down in a vessel like that.
Wow 0:12 SAFELY😂DIVING TO THE TITANIC it's been a while since I've laughed that hard but after that I realized that I was wrong to laugh at this tragedy especially a tragedy that could have easily been prevented. I don't want to even say the name of the pice of💩who designed the TOY SUBMERSIBLE so I will always refer to him as THE TOY MAKER. So he finally finished building his toy but now comes the hand part which is testing then CERTIFICATION and CERTIFICATION is the most important, when your vessel is Certified it means it's passed all it's testing and it's been Certified that it's can dive and handle massive CRASH DEPTH PRESSURE!!! The toy maker only did a few tests and he never had his sub Certified and he probably knew his sub wouldn't past the Coast Guard tests but he didn't care he even had people way more intelligent than himself in his team who were practically screaming at him that the sub was unsafe and that it would with out a doubt fail and IMPLODE DESTROYING WHOEVER WAS INSIDE IT!!!!???? I HOPE THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THE TOY MAKER'S STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE, IMPATIENCE AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.....😢
@@PS3TEKKENLORD Good points. As to hoping we've learned lessons from this, I'm afraid that the people that learned the most from this are the same people who wouldn't make such arrogant and dangerous decisions to begin with. But the people likely to do this again haven't likely learned a thing.
@@toddabowden @toddabowden IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND VISIT THE TITANIC WOULD YOU DEFINITELY GO AND OF COURSE YOUR SUBMERSIBLE WOULD BE FULLY CERTIFIED AND ALREADY PASSED ALL OF ITS QUALIFICATIONS SO THAT WOULD BE 1 LESS THING TO WORRY ABOUT??!! IN REGARDS TO MYSELF THE OPEN OCEAN UNDERWATER ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIES ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME I LOVE BEING ON BOATS, SHIPS, CRUISES AND EVEN SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN BUT THE THOUGHT OF GOING THOUSANDS OF FEET UNDERWATER IS HORRORIFYING!!!
@@toddabowden @toddabowden IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND VISIT THE TITANIC WOULD YOU DEFINITELY GO AND OF COURSE YOUR SUBMERSIBLE WOULD BE FULLY CERTIFIED AND ALREADY PASSED ALL OF ITS QUALIFICATIONS SO THAT WOULD BE 1 LESS THING TO WORRY ABOUT??!! IN REGARDS TO MYSELF THE OPEN OCEAN UNDERWATER ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIES ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME I LOVE BEING ON BOATS, SHIPS, CRUISES AND EVEN SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN BUT THE THOUGHT OF GOING THOUSANDS OF FEET UNDERWATER IS HORRORFYING
Speaking as a former member of the Coast Guard who did a few search and rescue cases in my time, it wasn't misplaced optimism that kept them out there. The USCG is going to assume you are alive as long as there's no evidence that suggests you are not. Yeah the chances of survival decrease as time goes on, but when a fisherman fell overboard during a storm in the bearing sea, my boat turned into the storm and fought 20+ foot Seas to get on scene. We were knocked around and beat up the whole way, but we didn't slow down until the body was pulled out of the water. Lot's of people talk trash about the Coast Guard, and you can say whatever you want about them. But if you're lost out there, they're looking for you.
Personally i think its more ocean gates fault, they waited WAY to long sounding the alarm when contact was lost etc. But ive seen James Cameron talk about getting inside information from his guys in the coast guard/navy that he has been alot with when diving himself saying that they heard a massive bang underground that sounded like an implosion on the ocean floor days before they started talking about oxygen levels etc. I get that they dont want to stop but dont lie to the public when u know its over
Is that sub a thing? I believe some of the first subs in history were bicycle pedal powered...(The Turtle was the first according to Wikipedia....in 1776, can you imagine?)
Stockton was right. He is remembered for the rules he broken. Too bad he thought safety was for losers, thought he was "innovative" for ignoring experts, and not only lost his own life for his hubris, but got four other innocent people killed. This story fits right in with classic Greek myths warning about hubris.
@@KristianKumpula I hate people like you. You know exactly what I meant. God forbid I misspelled it. Jesus christ. Icarus. Hope you fly too close to the spelling police and get locked up xD
@@calci2679fr, like fuck the billionaires, the kid probably just wanted to celebrate Father’s Day at home with his whole family too, instead his idiot of a father got him killed.
I stopped using my controller wireless on my PC for GAMING because it’s sometimes glitchy on bluetooth and because of latency. This dude used a cheap controller on bluetooth wireless, to steer a home-made submarine at 4000 meters under the ocean. Let that sink in for a minute.
Use of commercially available and proven technology is valid way of saving expenses and conditions that deep are usually very stable so sudden movements are generally not necessary. Of all idiotic decisions made by Oceangate (just like Watergate) using that controller was least serious.
Dude, think about this, it wasn't even an actual official XBox controller. It wasn't one of the expensive, pro-gamer grade controllers that you can buy for $200. It was a cheap wireless one made by Logitech or one of those other budget brands.
@@vksasdgaming9472 tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me... using a wireless controller as your ONLY means of controlling your vessel is about the dumbest and most dangerous decision you could make. There was NO BACKUP. There were no master controls that were wired directly to the driving mechanism. That is total fucking madness.
@@bipolarminddroppings Logitech has long history of making controllers so they are competent. They are very compatible so that might have also played on decision using such device. Of all stupidly reckless decisions made by Oceangate using commercially available controller was least stupid.
Stockton Rush called SUBSAFE "over the top in their rules and regulations" in that interview, literally the whole reason for the USN SUBSAFE program was the loss of the USS Thresher with all hands. Since which the US navy has not lost a single sub that was compliant with the SUBSAFE program.
Random fact: On the same day the Titanic sank, Kim Il Sung was born. North Korea has a calendar called the "Juche Calendar" that starts the day Kim Il Sung was born. Therefore, if you want to know how long it's been since the titanic sank, look up the year on the North Korean calendar. Also Ironically the Juche Calendar and the Titanic Movie were both created in 1997.
The ironic thing is, that the movie is one of the few films that people can watch, as I read it's used for educational purposes. Maybe they value it because of his birth?
Fun fact, on the same day the titanic sank, my grans pet tortoise was born, his name was smithers, he was a good spirited and happy smithers, another fun fact, he sank in water, and did not care for water since the day he sank and was rescued.
Fun fact: the speed at which the implosion would happen is faster than our senses can feel. So in a nutshell, they were sitting there in the sub and then all of a sudden they were gone. Just like that. And since the implosion happens faster than our nerves can feel, they literally wouldn’t have even know it happened. They wouldn’t have heard anything. Wouldn’t have felt anything. Would have seen anything. It was instantaneous death.
@@jasonjones7461they were aware that something was wrong. They attempted to come back up and were communicating with the mother ship about an issue. Whether they knew that it would for sure happen, or if they were under the impression that they’d make it back up, I guess only they’ll ever know.
@@prettyladygames3513 Please quit repeating these myths. The 'communications' have been thoroughly debunked. Speculation about their supposed suffering is ghoulish. Most likely they didn't hear anything. Creaking and cracking had been heard repeatedly before and Rush had gaslit reporters and investors into thinking they were normal. It was lights out.
It's telling that the guy who states 'who needs all these regulations, there hasn't been an accident in decades!' shows why that is, because he ignores the regulations.
it's the same reason why travelling by plane is by far the safest form of transit on the planet (except for Boeing planes lol), it's heavily regulated. We dont just let someone fly passenger jets after ten minutes of training with a fucking gamepad...
If you want to ignore the regulations, know why the regulations were written in the first place. Don't be an ignorant bull-headed fool. Ask, listen, have some humility, read some history. THEN look at the regulations, _understand_ them, and MAYBE you might spot a regulation that needs updating, or even isn't necessary. Ask some other people, see if they agree. Show respect.
One thing that stood out to me during the period where nobody knew if the passengers were still alive or not was how everyone on the internet was arguing about whether or not it was okay to be happy that a bunch of multimillionaires were killed by their own hubris. There were two major camps, one which said it was wrong to delight in anyone’s death even if they weren’t good people, and the other which argued that mega wealthy people are the worst people in the world and the source of so much suffering that their deaths were a net positive for humanity. And ultimately there seemed to be a loose consensus that the French researcher and the 19 year old son didn’t deserve to die, but good riddance for Stockton Rush, the oil tycoon, and the private airline magnate. …It was an odd time, to be sure.
It's just hard to muster much sympathy for people who have hundreds of thousands to spend on exclusive expeditions while SO MUCH of the US is struggling to afford rent, healthcare, and time off. I do think it was wrong that they weren't informed of all the risks before making the decision to go on their outlandishly exorbitant vacation.
I think it's easier to feel sympathy for the son especially, who was pressured (that is NOT a fun word to use for this) into taking this death trip. But I think overall with how so many people have come to…let's just say “not respect” millionaires and the rich in general, there's a lot of disconnect people feel from the death of a CEO they've never heard of from something that he intentionally knew was unsafe, ignored warnings, etc.
I'll give Rush one bit of credit. He was the first billionaire willing to get aboard his own death trap. Edit: Apparently Stockton Rush was not a billionaire. Oops.
Nah, the capital was definitely risked here too. OceanGate is never coming back from this, no one is gonna _want_ OceanGate to come back from this! If your company's founder- your current boss- terminated his own earthly existence in the dumbest, most avoidable way possible, all for a thinly-veiled vanity project, would you wanna continue his work? Personally I'd feel mighty foolish...
Not to be this douche, but I think it was Britanic that became a WW1 medical ship. Was sunk by a submarine anyway during WW1. The Olympic was actually the only one of the 3 ships to survive, eventually retired in the 1930s. The pictures from the inside of t Olympic helped recreate the Titanic for the James Cameron movie Source: very sad history nerd here
Those who do learn the lessons of history are doomed to watch in horror while the people who didn't learn the lesson repeat the same mistakes again and again.
And we can expect someone several decades from now using a technology just discovered (and not adequately tested) to take paying people down to see the remains of the Titan, where they become the newest to repeat history.
During COVID News companies found out that having a timer counting down or a counter going up is a easy way to get people to stay watching, that's the reason they were so quick to spread the idea that they were trapped and time is running out
Doom timers are a way older idea, they have been in use for a long time in disaster coverage whenever it is known that people in distress have only a limited amount of food, water, oxygen or other ressources.
It's kinda weird they did that though. I'm not at all a sailor or anything, but I enjoy reading. I initially thought it was a submarine, and my knowledge is mostly limited to documentaries and war movies and the like. You'd blow the ballast tanks, and rise really fast to the surface, perhaps risk the crew being violently ill. But that's for defense subs, and the Titanic is *all the way down* there. 4000m, and they'd lost contact around 2 hours in, so they were at least halfway there. I remember thinking, the ocean is the boot, they're in the can, so it was pointless. I assume that the coast guard has to keep trying until they know for sure that the folks are gone, hence they keep trying, and the news cycle is the news cycle
@@rustomkanishka Rescue workers of any kind work under the assumption that people may be saved until they have definite proof of the opposite. That is how every once in a while people get miraculously saved against all odds.
Titanic was equipped with more lifeboats than were necessary according to the regulations of the time. The regulations however were based on several assumptions about length of time a ship was likely to take to sink, and the (then new) technology of wireless telegraph which would allow a ship to call for help. Obviously the sinking of the Titanic showed up the safety regulations for the joke that they were.
That's true, but I'm not convinced more life boats would have helped in Titanic's case. The final two life boats could not be launched in time but slid from the deck right into the atlantic. So I doubt that the crew could do any better with extra life boats cluttering the deck. As it was the ships maiden vayage a relativly large part of the crew wasn't very familiar with Titanic. Add to this the state of emergency in the middle of the night and those extra boats complicating the evacuation could just as well done more harm than good.
@@Darilon12 revised regulations that were imposed after the sinking required an adequate reserve margin of lifeboats to account for scenarios where not all the boats were useable. They also improved the procedures for lifeboat drills, crowd control, that sort of thing. I am certain that in the case of Titanic these regulations would definitely have helped save more people.
the worst part of this video is him making comparisons to the Titanic Disaster. Most of his claims are Bullshit. There really was nothing particularly negligent about Titanic. It followed all standard regulations. By comparison the Titan went out of its way to be unsafe.
@@MrRandomcommentguythey’ve done some testing and it’s wouldn’t have helped much. The ship was listing badly and was only afloat for about two hours, with a lot of that time having been wasted. It would have of course helped if they were completely filling life boats before sending them out, but it’s likely that they couldn’t have filled all of the boats even if they had them or had different ways.
@@Darilon12 Loading more passengers/ crew per lifeboat "from the getgo" would (possibly?) have saved more lives? As well as better training as stated above in your comment, and Lifeboat Drill instructions for all aboard Titanic... I read somewhere that the drill was postponed? (Or was that a different ship and disaster?)
39:58 This is an insult to Harland and Wolf. Their designers did NOT ignore safety or fail to prepare. They actually went above and beyond the standards of the time when it was built. The problem was they'd failed to realise just how bad the "worst case scenario" was. There wasn't a single safety regulation that Titanic's designers broke. Titanic failed when hit by a disaster that went beyond everything their designers had thought they'd have to worry about. Titan failed fundamentally at doing what it was built for, with no unforseen circumstances. Had the Titanic been as badly built as the Titan was for its job it never would have hit any iceberg. It'd have broken in two as soon as it left port just from the shock of sailing through large waves for the first time.
Exactly. Titanic was high tech AND high quality. It would have been fine for many years if used as intended - don’t speed near an ice field at night for example.
The titanic was missing safety chambers. Harland and Wolfe designed a good ship but it was never completed. Walls to complete bouyancy chambers were missing.
@@screaminlordbyron7767 They weren't missing, they were shortened, to allow for larger rooms, grand dining room, etc. It was a completed ship. In hindsight was this a bad idea? Yes. At the time Titanic was built it was still safer than most ships being built. Again, they didn't know better. The Oceangate designers did, but built their craft like that anyway.
I was a US navy Submariner for 20 years and to hear Stockton Rush refer the submarine safety program the way he did tells me everything we need to know about why this happened. The US Navy lost 2 Subs and created a safety program so intensive it has not lost a sub since 1968. Everything has redundancy and a high safety attitude. It’s to the point that bolts exposed to high sea pressure are tracked so if the ore from the mine it came from is found to have issues the navy knows exactly what ships have those bolts onboard. It works so well NASA adopted the program after the challenger disaster.
The problem is that SUBSAFE only applies to MILITARY submarines. Had the TITAN been classified as a MILITARY asset, we wouldn't be talking about this story today.
Wasn't the Challenger disaster due more to the cold weather and a hole in a part of the rocket that, combined with the oxygen in the air and heat of the launch, that caused the explosion? I remember reading a bunch about the Challenger back during my Freshman year in Highschool thanks to my science teach at the time covering space and having my class do research into rockets. Now I'm my fairness it has been 5-6 years since I read those articles so I very well could be wrong.
There were a few pressure tests on the carbon fiber haul before titan was built. All of these tests ended in implosion before the desired pressure was reached. Rush knew this and still used carbon fiber.
The carbon fibre hull was pressure tested at reduced scale and failed. Oceangate couldn't $afford$ to validate 'creeping failure', induced by repeated submersions at unthinkable pressures. Mr. Rush was accurate when he stated, "you're remembered for the rules you break".
Can't believe it lasted as long as it did! The enormous pressure on every square inch of the Titan is so far from normal experience, it's hard to imagine - a hundred and twenty school busses piled up on every square inch is a hella lotta school busses!!
@@stevengill1736 lots of the dives they claimed to have were found to not have taken place. they outright lied about their record and their website at one point listed they were certified by an organization. Said organization got very angry and demanded to be taken off the website.
@@toomanyaccounts Yeah, the amount of deception and lies makes the titan implosion criminal in nature. They knew it was unsafe, yet charged 250k per “mission specialist”-guest anyway. 5 people died because of one guys recklessness. If he were allowed to go up to space, I’m pretty sure he would have killed people up there too. There is an argument to be made that too many saftey restrictions make innovation harder, but just throwing every rule overboard and going on instinct will get people hurt and killed. James Cameron was right: this incident was 100% avoidable. It shouldn’t have happened.
Stockton was a PRIME example of an "expert" ENGINEER in one field, mistakenly thinking that it automatically makes him an expert ENGINEER in ALL FIELDS!
A couple corrections: The night Titanic sank there was no fog. It was perfectly clear, which is why they thought they'd be able to see any ice bergs approaching. The issue was it was also moonless and the water was still, which made it impossible to spot ice bergs, as they were not much brighter than the sky behind them, and did not have waves crashing against them. Further, they weren't trying to set any speed records, and in fact wouldn't have been able to, as the Olympic class was built for luxury, not speed. There was an offhand remark by Ismay that they might beat Olympic's time, but this was an observation, not a directive, as it was later misconstrued to be by a smear campaign launched by William Randolph Hearst.
@@mollymcdade4031 This is true. My point is they weren't speeding out of any desire to set records, just out of arrogance and overconfidence in their ability to spot bergs quickly.
@@mollymcdade4031 On the other side it was a common strategy to pass iceberg fields as quickly as possible. Propably not the best strategy, but far from personal recklessnes as shown by OceanGate.
My question is where the heck were the headlights for Titanic?! They should have had more than just fog lights. Seriously like if I'm getting on a possible death trap with no way to escape, I wanna see in front of my own face!
@@lordofoshu8017 OceanlinerDesigns has an excellent video on why ships don't have headlights, but the short answer is, they wouldn't reach far enough to see anything, and would ruin the night vision of the lookouts. The way they spotted bergs in Titanic's day was to make the front of the ship dark, then look for a faint reflection of moonlight, or the breaking of waves, at the horizon.
If Stockton Rush had somehow survived the Titian disaster, he would have not been deterred from making further dives on the the Titanic. He would have simply put it down to unforeseen circumstances and considered the loss a learning curve. Only death was going to stop the madness in Rushton's brain, as it inevitably did.
I would love to see an UN-MANNED sub similar to Titan tested to its limit to see if there were any warnings from the sub itself that it was going to implode BEFORE its final dive
Every single test he did on the carbon fiber hull imploded before reaching the depth they needed. Lmao. Plenty of warning. He ignored the results of those tests and went with a carbon fiber hull anyway.
@@mckennadishongh2160 except they had made successful trips to the Titanic which debunks your claim. The issue was that they kept using the CFRP hull. The first few dives a CFRP hull would be very strong and handle that depth but Rush was told and should have known that a carbon fiber hull wasn't going to last long.
I'll say this for Rush. The next time bickering gamers are making a tier list of videogame controllers sorted by quality many will comfort knowing their joypads, fishing reels, flight sticks, dance pads and nunchucks aren't going in the tier labelled "5 people died".
Fun fact: Something like 90% of historic pictures and videos of Titanic are actually of her sister ship, Olympic. You see, Olympic was launched first, and was a big deal, so journalists and photographers took a lot of photos of her. Titanic was the second born, and looked almost identical, and thus there was no novelty anymore, and thus no so much interest among the press. However, after the disaster the demand for photos and footage of Titanic skyrocketed. Problem was, there was very little of it. Thus, a huge amount of photos and footage of Olympic was used as "the Titanic", because they looked almost identical. There are many photos and even some film where the name "Olympic" on the side of the ship has been crudely removed. So when you see historic photos of the Titanic, chances are it's actually the Olympic.
To add, usually one can tell the ships by the differences in the Promenade Deck, Olympic is completely open, Titanic had some enclosed spaces on that deck. Olympics bridge wings are also level with the side of the superstructure rather than sticking out like Titanic’s but it’s less obvious than the Promenade
I've commented until i'm blue in the face about how negligent OceanGate was in various aspects... But can we talk about how horrible their business model was? Based on what it would cost and operate to build a Deep water submersible, that was safe. Add depths of 12000 plus feet you would have to be running 3 trips a day to the titanic all completely full of passengers paying the max amount. Anyone who starts to really look at the business can quickly see that without investors pouring in new money, there is no way this business model will ever be sustainable. It's literally a money pit death trap.
Nothing adds up about the business models. Same with the sub construction, both of their subs took Oceangate about 2 years max. It's just maddening when you watch documentaries about the other dives to Titanic
@Moocake yes! Thank you! I deal with high pressure in the oil and gas industry so believe it or not a lot of our safety procedures are similar and to see what he did is baffling. It was never a matter of if he'd kill someone, it was always just a matter of when. I don't even think he realized it but he looked at every crucial safety standard and said "that takes too long and costs too much" and calls it innovation. You're not innovating. You're just don't it in a way that's been proven wrong. You're just playing Russian roulette with people's lives.
Oh dude you probably know way more about it than me, should have picked your brain about it lmao. I think it was a clear case of Dunning Krueger effect with Stockton, probably thought he knew way more than he actually did
@Moocake absolutely correct, he was a very intelligent guy I don't think anyone will argue that. His expertise in this area was lacking though. I guess call it ego? But he should have listened to his colleagues and some of his own employees. Honestly though, this is a situation where you don't want to know more about safety man... it just makes the whole thing more upsetting. Pressure is no joke. It is unforgiving and one thing Rush seemed to not understand is that by the time you realize something is wrong, it's way too late. Put it this way, I saw this in another video. It takes the brain about 150 milliseconds to identify pain. At that depth and pressure, they were crushed in about 20 milliseconds. They could've died 7 times over before even realizing they were hurt.
@@travelreview5962 yeah Hamish Harding who went to Challenger Deep on Limiting Factor had the opportunity to pay a million dollars to go on it to the Titanic. This million was stated to cover the costs of the support ship going out there. There is a reason why private expeditions on the Mirs to the Titanic past the 90s were stated to be 15 million dollars.
Ah yes, “Aerospace experts, NASA and Boeing.” All leaders in the field of submarine development. One would think the Navy or literally anyone who does anything to do with water instead of space and aircraft would have been more appropriate.
Those are all lies too. They had to contract the aerospace suppliers as they solely own the equipment and tooling to make a carbon fiber structure at that size. If i buy a banana at kroger, kroger is not a partner in my breakfast
@@danielescobar7618 also, there is barely any pressure in space, and the ISS is pressurized to 1 atmosphere, whereas at the titanic, there are 375 atmospheres of pressure
7:18 Ironically, Otis Barton, the designer of the Bathysphere, rejected an early cilindrical design in favour of a spherical one because he realised the latter would better withstand the pressure of the water.
Suleman was not reluctant to go and nor did he join the trip just to please his father, his mother was also there with him and said he was so excited to go that she gave up her seat for him, and he even took a Rubik's cube with him to solve while at the wreck site. This misconception was spread by his aunt, who gave an interview while his Mum was still at sea with the expedition and unable to speak with the press, leading to it still being repeated in videos and articles more than a year later.
Suleman's mom was disqualified months before the launch as too heavy to go; there was no such thing as 'she gave up her seat for him' except maybe in her imagination.
I have heard this. I have to wonder if he wasn't just nervous and telling different relatives different things. I mean, I know I would be terribly nervous to go, but I would also want to go. It would be a real conflicting feeling.
Stockton often went on about how almost all submarine fatalities were due to operator error rather than vehicle failure. Yes. Yes. There was a reason for that.
Eh, unlike this silly thing, the Titanic was actually built out of the best known materials for the job. And to the highest standard they knew how to build a ship. It just got really unlucky after that one poor judgement call.
Yes, the Titanic was built of the best known materials for the job, but there were some reckless decisions that destroyed its chances from the outset. 1) Ismay's two decisions during the design phase to lower the bulkheads to just above the water line and reduce the number of lifeboats on the davits from 48 to 16 and 2) combining 20 knots an hour speed with only two lookouts who didn't even have binoculars proving the captain was ignoring warnings about the unusual number of icebergs in a large icefield during that section of the sea crossing. So there were some lack of soundness similarities, sadly enough.
@@egm8602 Ismay didn't specify a hull constructed of tin foil wrapped in frozen wet newspaper, cooled by a tank of liquid nitrogen. That's the level of fuch-up we're talking here. There were errors in judgement, I agree, but consider the following: 1. The consequences of losing 5 compartments were known from the start. Adding further mitigation (by raising the bulkheads) wouldn't save the hull. We know better now, but don't forget, this was unexplored territory back then. 2.1 They didn't even manage to fill the boats they already _had_ in that time. 2.2 The purpose of the boats was only ever to ferry passengers from a sinking ship to rescue vessels. Leading up to this hull loss, there had been numerous incidents where passengers had been evacuated to lifeboats only to then be taken out by a storm, while the ship fared a lot better. They would have been seen as an absolute last resort, based on the bad weather assumption. Captains at the time would have been reluctant to use them as well, for the same reason - no use evacuating a ship that _migjt_ sink into lifeboats that *will* be capsised by the next big wave. As it happens, when this ol' girl went under, they knew the ship WILL sink, conditions were calm as calm got and rescue was _just_ out of reach. 3. The no binos, no lights and high-ish speed was indeed an error in judgement. 4. The rad ops were busy sending private communications all day, I'm not convinced they were even listening when the ice warnings were issued, never mind managing to get that information to the captain in time. There were some errors in judgement, some unfortunate circumstances and some faulty assumptions, but I do not see something that rises quite to the level of what cut price Electric Jesús did. By the way "knots" is the unit of speed, as in nautical miles per hour. Widely used in aviation too. "Knots per hour" becomes its odd-lookib first-order derivative. In other words, a unit of acceleration. Given the size and mass of that ship, it's probably in the right order of magnitude for this one. Maybe knots per minute with the engines at full power 😅
@@egm8602 The maddening thing about Titanic is how long it took to sink, it could have got so many people out on lifeboats. It's also such a busy bit of the Atlantic, most would have survived on them too.
What got under my skin about the media coverage of this mess was the fixation of the fact that a PlayStation controller was used to control the Titan. That controller was probably the only sound bit of engineering in her.
Yes, but to be fair, it's the easiest way to carry the information that everything on this operation was done on the cheap. Sure, many specialized vehicles and devices around the world are made partially from "off the shelf" parts (in fact, probably alll of them), but "off the shelf" doesn't mean "We got that part from Aliexpress" as Stockton seemed to think.
Even if the carbon fiber didn't fail, they were marrying two different materials to make the hull, materials which condense under pressure very differently. All it would take is a miniscule gap between the titanium end cap and the carbon fiber main body and the submersible would have crushed.
Mooocake! I think this is the first serious piece I've seen from you (yes, internet drama is wasted on you). Not just a comedian then. I was hooked all the way through, no joke in the age of short attention span uploads. You deserve another drink!
Stockton Rush's huge ego prevented him from taking advice from specialists who knew better. He bought the carbon fiber from an airline who couldn't use it for a plane because it was so old
the issue was it is wireless and there was no real backup control system. often the dives were canceled because the wireless system failed to function due to the computer system glitching out.
@@quantum5661 the issue was all the control systems were on the same system. not seperate. so if the wireless went down than the touchscreen controls also went down. This apparently was frequent when they were starting a dive and had to abort it. real submersibles try to have the control systems be independent of one another so if one goes down the others aren't affected. they even have a manual control in addition to the joystick and touchscreen controls.
If you want a little fun fact.. Sending people to their dooms in a submersible wasn't enough, now they want to do it in a rocket in space! Look up "Guillermo Söhnlein" moon plan. Lmfao.
Their money I guess. People get to cut stuff off their bodies too now, without getting thrown into solitary, might as well let them go all in and snuff themselves out completely in space or 4km underwater amr?
@@Moocake how to spot someone who hasnt done his homework about the titanic: he or she says the titanic didnt have enough life boats on board. for one: the titanic had more lifeboats on board then legaly required. for two: the closest ship to the titanic didnt respond. and fro three: the US armed forces tested the lifeboat hypothesis shortly after the sinking. the result of the simulation was the even with enough lifeboat space for everyone on board hundres would have died because the ship couldnt have been evacuated fast enough. the simulation was btw done with soldier under even better conditions than the sinking of the titanic gave for rescue operations.
I'm gonna start a line soft drinks called Stockton Crush....Each can will feature a picture of a smiling Stockton with his famous quote underneath: "You are remembered by the rules you break"......Available in eight implosively, exhilarating flavors....Blueberry Burst, Lemon Hubris, Arrogant Grape, Narcissistic Lime, Orange Psychopathy, Chocolate Idiocy, Titanic Cranberry and our absolute favorite; Strawberry Slime................Available for only 250 000 a case........Feel the Rush...Feel the Crush.............Stockton Crush: Bet you can't drink more then one!......
And then people can conduct that cool experiment where you put the can on the stove then move the empty can to a bowl of ice water and it implodes. It would be best if the can looked like the Titan 🏴☠️
I’d argue the Titan’s approach to safety was worse than the Titanic. The Titanic’s amount of lifeboats was actually complying with the regulations of the time, though they were outdated and inadequate. Ocean Gate saw the regulations and deliberately chose to ignore them.
I’m still seeing tech bro RUclipsrs trying to claim that all of this was still innovation. Apparently the word innovation Now means, if you can manage to do something a handful of times, it’s a proven technology. Hey, I dropped this glass on the ground and it didn’t break, therefore this glass must be shatter proof, oh, what would you know, the next time I dropped it? It broke, innovation bro!
I think on its own the idea of being able to make a safe submersible with much cheaper components and less complex controls would've been an incredible boon to deep sea exploration. But if Rush had really wanted to prove that what he was doing was innovation, he should've sent Cyclops and Titan to be certified/tested next to industry standard submersibles. Innovating a piece of technology is done by finding a better way to achieve the same end result, including with the same reliability. Instead, Rush used "innovator" in place of calling himself a maniac.
I loved this video Moocake! Your commentary and in-depth look into Ocean and the Titan Submarine incident was amazing. The key things to take away are that it’s important to listen to other people’s concerns and always prioritize safety over ambition. Also, idiocy is EVERYWHERE and can be dangerous.
I feel like it's pretty unfair to the Olympic series to say that Oceangate made the same mistakes as the Titanic. The Titanic hadn't been notified of flaws anywhere near as many times as Oceangate had. They hadn't watched test versions buckle only to continue with the same design. They had redundancies! There were 16 watertight compartments, it's just that they were made of a metal that we know now were particularly sensitive to changes in temperature, becoming easier to damage in the cold. The Titanic DID comply with safety standards, because it was assumed at the time that lifeboats were intended to be used to ferry back and forth between a damaged and potentially sinking (but very very slowly) ship, rather than to flee it. "Only" 30 people (of 1066) died when the Britannic sank at least in part because they made changes after the Titanic sank.
Not to mention, the Titanic's older and near-identical sister ship the Olympic had a long career crossing the Atlantic. Olympic even served in WW1 and took part in combat (she rammed a submarine off the British coast in 1918). The Olympic line were well-designed ships. Titanic simply had the misfortune of hitting the iceberg in JUST the right way to doom her.
How can an “engineer” not do the basic math to understand the difference between tensile and compressive strength? Can he not calculate spheres under tension? That drilling holes and differing materials compromises integrity? He has blood on his hands convincing people to literally go down with him.
I may be wrong-perhaps this is covered later in this video-but IIRC, it isn't that the submersible couldn't withstand the pressure by calculation; it was that the wear on the material couldn't be tracked, and _that's_ why it went bad this time. By the numbers, it was fine... the first few times. But like I said, this is IIRC so perhaps wrong.
First time watcher. I never would of expected you to be a drama RUclipsr, you come off naturally as a presenter of good information and entertaining too. I’ll keep my eyes peeled, good luck on your next chapter.
That's really nice to hear honestly, thank you. I'll probably still do a little drama and commentary moving forward, but thoroughly enjoying doing these mockumentary things too for now
Engineer here. Titan had some massive design flaws to be sure, but being piloted by a controller is not that outlandish. Controllers are used in military drone control for the express purpose of making it easy train people who are used to playing video games. Now, I would definitely NOT use an off brand wireless controller, but you get the picture.
The fact that the sub is named the “Cyclops” is so ironic. The Cyclops was a beast without 20/20 vision (as they say hindsight is 20/20 and they now can’t see their mistake) and was stabbed to death in the myth in the eye while sleeping (it was being dumb). It’s still a tragedy though, but it’s almost like fate was giving them a warning. It’s like naming your airplane the “Icarus”. Sometimes naming your ship an ironic self deprecating name makes it survive forever though, but those ships are crewed by smart crew.
how could journalists possibly have believed that the knocking sounds could come from a submersible at the bottom of the sea? The oceans look like highways these days, they're so full of noises that marine creatures are suffering and getting disoriented by it.
Good vid, I didnt know he had a degree in air engineering. Reminds me of futuram " how many atmospheres of pressure can the ship take !" Professor f - "well its a space ship, so one" lol
With full VR 3D headset available now that could immerse you, I have no idea why we need any human at all in an exploration submarine, just put cameras....
Fun fact: The diving suit pictured at 7:01, is still in use today, though obviously modernized. Many 'hard hat' type commercial divers, swear by the spherical spun copper (it's more a form of brass, but it's called copper) helmets when working extended hours at depth.
This was really good! I love the combo of information and humor. I would love to see more of your commentary. As I learned about the Titan and Stockton Rush, i couldn't believe how many warnings from intelligent people he just blew off, not to mention him picking things up at the local home Depot for his projects. You said all the things I felt.
I don't know why but that Oceangate story facinated me (in an infuriating way) and I've watched countless videos on the subject. This one is the best of all. Hats off for the awesome work done here !
Just wanted to give you some feedback as a new viewer to your channel. I’ve watched a lot about this subject and really enjoyed your style of storytelling, the added commentary and well researched video. I look forward to your next deep dive!
Hey, I just found your channel and I think this style of video is brilliant. I very much enjoyed watching whilst getting ready for my day and would suggest continuing this style rather than RUclips drama.
Technically, the Titanic had MORE lifeboats than was required in the day. Lots of lifeboats weren't considered necessary since the Atlantic route travelled at the time was so busy, no one could imagine that any ship would have to evacuate everyone on board without there being other ships in the area to rescue people. The California was remiss in turning off their radio or they could have arrived in time to save everyone.
I think the reason the Titanic is so known has a lot more to do with it being the impetus behind the global adoption of ship safety standards. The same reason you've probably heard of Chernobyl, essentially.
Nope. No fog that night. It was a moonless windless night, very dark with no waves breaking on the base of the iceberg. Really hard to spot in time without binoculars. But the foot on the gas pedal really did the trick.
@@HumanHamCubeAs far as I heard, the man in charge of the key to the lockbox in the lookout chose to stay behind in Belfast. They did have binoculars, they just had no way of getting to them. Besides, they'd likely have hit something anyway. Oceanliner Designs made a video of what the ice field they sailed through really looked like, and between the pitch blackness, the still waters, and the literal hundreds of icebergs, Captain Smith's only right call would have been to stop for the night, like other ships in the area had. The Captain of the Carpathia straight up said something other than him must've had their hand on the helm that night, because it was a miracle she didn't strike a berg herself on the way to rescue the survivors.
@@HumanHamCube Nope; the binoculars were on the ship. They knew EXACTLY where the binoculars were, too; they simply didn't want to break open the locker and get them out. First Officer Blair kept the key (accident? souvenir?) got off Titanic at Southampton.
An album cover. Analbumcover lmao.
Hahahaha Facts!
Shuck it, Trebek!
Is that a green lava lamp behind you at 19:53? I heard they make them with a bottle cap now that pops if they build up pressure after that one kind of exploded or shattered spontaneously years ago....safety matches on! 😊
Thank you kindly for the video...cheers.
@@stevengill1736 You are told specifically when you buy these and in the booklets that come with them that you are not supposed to have them on for a long time anyway. Because ... You guessed it they can explode. So just dont leave them on over night. And the smaller the lamp and the more spurious companies that make them ... A lot of variables. But the Mathmos ones are the best (which is what it looks like he has here) and they are also recommended to not have them left on for too long. You can tell when they have been on too long by the look of the bubble. If they are no longer rising and falling and are just hovering up top ... Too hot. Also do not change the wattage of the bulbs. Especially higher. Low wattage will just take longer so better to lower wattage but never raise it.
@@stevengill1736 As a poste script. I have seen many RUclipsrs with videos where they have lava lamps and you can tell that in the vain of continuity for their videos you can see that they go from not even melted to rising and falling, and then the wax looks likes snakes all trying to breach the surface of the Oil and look like they are about to explode. And can you imagine the shocking injuries Hot Oil and Melted Wax could do to you ... Don't bare thinking about.
He's the reason we have the warning labels that make you think, "why would anyone need a warning for this?"
LoL!! You've reminded me of the time I went to a sea life exhibition in Brighton in the early 70's. There was a tank containing a Blue Ring Octopus. It had a large notice "This Creature is deadly poisonous. There is no known antidote to its toxins. You will die " and the tank was sealed by a padlocked steel lid. My dad joked to one of the attendants "You're not taking any chances!" and the bloke replied "We used to just have the notice (you will die etc) but had to seal the tank as at least six people a day tried to touch it" !!!
“Warning! Deep Submersible May Catastrophically Implode if Deeply Submerged”
@@infrasleep I nearly touched an adult one in the wild by accident with my foot on a reef once. If they do bite you, you probably won't even feel it. If someone collapses after a bite, you have to immediately start CPR / defib etc. or they will die in minutes, as it paralyses all muscles. There is no anti-venom, so they have to keep you alive until it wears off.
great observation there 😅
lol
This whole thing can be summed up with this.
Safety standards and rules are written in blood of those who came before you
I worked for OSHA and that is exactly the motto we used.n
Executive sees on TV that fancy lightweight aircraft are made of carbon fiber, demands submarine be made of it too without the most basic understanding of what carbon fiber is.
My spouse works in aviation safety and constantly has to remind designers and engineers of this. You are in a tube, thousands of feet above the ground. Safest is best, not cheapest, not fastest. Accurate and safe. The regulations those groups are so angry about working to EXIST FOR A REASON. MANY OF THEM. The number of people they work with the don't understand this chills me. So glad people like my spouse exist to deny signing off on that bs.
Hey look on the brightside, at least they have warned future generation not to f*ck with the sea. lol It's just as perilous, if not more, going up in space. Humans were's meant to go into unforgiving environments, period.
@HarryDirtay most people would consider that a good thing but...
They wanted the Titanic experience.
They got the Titanic experience.
Suleman Dawood, the young guy, didn’t want to go and he felt so uneasy about it, as the relatives told the press. RIP Suleman and the other 4 lives lost for what??? Nothing!!!
@@Daisy021 I heard that but in an interview wih his mother she expressed how excited he was.
@@desd1932 He was too young to die. 😢
@@desd1932 😢😢😢
He wanted to solve a rubix cube down there to be the first to do so. Seems like the guy was very exited.... Sorry only idiots would go down in a vessel like that.
As James Cameron put it: "You don't want to move fast and break things when the 'thing' has you inside it."
Wow 0:12 SAFELY😂DIVING TO THE TITANIC it's been a while since I've laughed that hard but after that I realized that I was wrong to laugh at this tragedy especially a tragedy that could have easily been prevented. I don't want to even say the name of the pice of💩who designed the TOY SUBMERSIBLE so I will always refer to him as THE TOY MAKER. So he finally finished building his toy but now comes the hand part which is testing then CERTIFICATION and CERTIFICATION is the most important, when your vessel is Certified it means it's passed all it's testing and it's been Certified that it's can dive and handle massive CRASH DEPTH PRESSURE!!! The toy maker only did a few tests and he never had his sub Certified and he probably knew his sub wouldn't past the Coast Guard tests but he didn't care he even had people way more intelligent than himself in his team who were practically screaming at him that the sub was unsafe and that it would with out a doubt fail and IMPLODE DESTROYING WHOEVER WAS INSIDE IT!!!!???? I HOPE THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THE TOY MAKER'S STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE, IMPATIENCE AND LACK OF KNOWLEDGE.....😢
@@PS3TEKKENLORD Good points. As to hoping we've learned lessons from this, I'm afraid that the people that learned the most from this are the same people who wouldn't make such arrogant and dangerous decisions to begin with. But the people likely to do this again haven't likely learned a thing.
@@toddabowden @toddabowden IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND VISIT THE TITANIC WOULD YOU DEFINITELY GO AND OF COURSE YOUR SUBMERSIBLE WOULD BE FULLY CERTIFIED AND ALREADY PASSED ALL OF ITS QUALIFICATIONS SO THAT WOULD BE 1 LESS THING TO WORRY ABOUT??!! IN REGARDS TO MYSELF THE OPEN OCEAN UNDERWATER ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIES ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME I LOVE BEING ON BOATS, SHIPS, CRUISES AND EVEN SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN BUT THE THOUGHT OF GOING THOUSANDS OF FEET UNDERWATER IS HORRORIFYING!!!
@@toddabowden @toddabowden IF YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO AND VISIT THE TITANIC WOULD YOU DEFINITELY GO AND OF COURSE YOUR SUBMERSIBLE WOULD BE FULLY CERTIFIED AND ALREADY PASSED ALL OF ITS QUALIFICATIONS SO THAT WOULD BE 1 LESS THING TO WORRY ABOUT??!! IN REGARDS TO MYSELF THE OPEN OCEAN UNDERWATER ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIES ME I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME I LOVE BEING ON BOATS, SHIPS, CRUISES AND EVEN SWIMMING IN THE OCEAN BUT THE THOUGHT OF GOING THOUSANDS OF FEET UNDERWATER IS HORRORFYING
He knows a thing or 2 about drowning people, too
Speaking as a former member of the Coast Guard who did a few search and rescue cases in my time, it wasn't misplaced optimism that kept them out there. The USCG is going to assume you are alive as long as there's no evidence that suggests you are not. Yeah the chances of survival decrease as time goes on, but when a fisherman fell overboard during a storm in the bearing sea, my boat turned into the storm and fought 20+ foot Seas to get on scene. We were knocked around and beat up the whole way, but we didn't slow down until the body was pulled out of the water. Lot's of people talk trash about the Coast Guard, and you can say whatever you want about them. But if you're lost out there, they're looking for you.
Personally i think its more ocean gates fault, they waited WAY to long sounding the alarm when contact was lost etc. But ive seen James Cameron talk about getting inside information from his guys in the coast guard/navy that he has been alot with when diving himself saying that they heard a massive bang underground that sounded like an implosion on the ocean floor days before they started talking about oxygen levels etc. I get that they dont want to stop but dont lie to the public when u know its over
Semper Paratus! Coasties rock! From a proud Coastie wife :).
> You don't have to come home. But you have to go out.
The Coast Guard are beloved by all people who're by the sea. Landlockcels can get fucked.
That's actually comforting. Thanks.
good luck out there
It's funny, the bicycle powered Magikarp sub that Team Rocket uses was probably a hundred times safer than the Titan sub.
And you didn't have to worry that you forgot to bring extra AA batteries for when the controller dies. Also, I would have gone mouse and keyboard.
@Mitsoxfan if you're gonna go mouse and keyboard for your sub don't press ALT F4
Is that sub a thing? I believe some of the first subs in history were bicycle pedal powered...(The Turtle was the first according to Wikipedia....in 1776, can you imagine?)
@@stevengill1736 No it's a Pokemon thing lol
@@stevengill1736r/ whoosh
Stockton was right. He is remembered for the rules he broken. Too bad he thought safety was for losers, thought he was "innovative" for ignoring experts, and not only lost his own life for his hubris, but got four other innocent people killed.
This story fits right in with classic Greek myths warning about hubris.
Like iccurus. Flew too close to the sun. But in this case. Sank too deep into the abyss.
@@ODST626 There is no "iccurus"
@@KristianKumpula I hate people like you. You know exactly what I meant. God forbid I misspelled it. Jesus christ. Icarus. Hope you fly too close to the spelling police and get locked up xD
😮😮😮😢😢😢😢
Very egotistical, families should sue the company out of business
"I want to be remembered as an innovator."
He certainly innovated a way to kill multiple millionaires in one go.
And a 19 year old who only went down because he wanted to support his father
@@calci2679fr, like fuck the billionaires, the kid probably just wanted to celebrate Father’s Day at home with his whole family too, instead his idiot of a father got him killed.
Which is pretty cool
@@calci2679oh no. Anyway
@@danielescobar7618if victim is rich, apathy mode activated I guess???
I stopped using my controller wireless on my PC for GAMING because it’s sometimes glitchy on bluetooth and because of latency. This dude used a cheap controller on bluetooth wireless, to steer a home-made submarine at 4000 meters under the ocean. Let that sink in for a minute.
lol
Use of commercially available and proven technology is valid way of saving expenses and conditions that deep are usually very stable so sudden movements are generally not necessary. Of all idiotic decisions made by Oceangate (just like Watergate) using that controller was least serious.
Dude, think about this, it wasn't even an actual official XBox controller. It wasn't one of the expensive, pro-gamer grade controllers that you can buy for $200. It was a cheap wireless one made by Logitech or one of those other budget brands.
@@vksasdgaming9472 tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me...
using a wireless controller as your ONLY means of controlling your vessel is about the dumbest and most dangerous decision you could make. There was NO BACKUP. There were no master controls that were wired directly to the driving mechanism. That is total fucking madness.
@@bipolarminddroppings Logitech has long history of making controllers so they are competent. They are very compatible so that might have also played on decision using such device.
Of all stupidly reckless decisions made by Oceangate using commercially available controller was least stupid.
Stockton Rush called SUBSAFE "over the top in their rules and regulations" in that interview, literally the whole reason for the USN SUBSAFE program was the loss of the USS Thresher with all hands. Since which the US navy has not lost a single sub that was compliant with the SUBSAFE program.
Yeah, he made such a big deal about how safe subs were without considering WHY they were so safe
When it comes to things like submarines, and all that, there is no such thing as over the top with rules and regulations.
@@name1585 Lessons in safety are written in blood as they say.
AND the SUBSAFE program only applies to MILITARY submarines. Privately-owned submarines\submersibles like the TITAN are not "covered" by SUBSAFE.
Damn, beat me to it. You're spot on though.👍@@saltmerchant749
Random fact: On the same day the Titanic sank, Kim Il Sung was born. North Korea has a calendar called the "Juche Calendar" that starts the day Kim Il Sung was born. Therefore, if you want to know how long it's been since the titanic sank, look up the year on the North Korean calendar.
Also Ironically the Juche Calendar and the Titanic Movie were both created in 1997.
And both were disastrous
Kim Il Sung caused the sinking of the Titanic confirmed?
The ironic thing is, that the movie is one of the few films that people can watch, as I read it's used for educational purposes. Maybe they value it because of his birth?
Fun fact, on the same day the titanic sank, my grans pet tortoise was born, his name was smithers, he was a good spirited and happy smithers, another fun fact, he sank in water, and did not care for water since the day he sank and was rescued.
@@SRDXXFTrying too hard there…
Fun fact: the speed at which the implosion would happen is faster than our senses can feel. So in a nutshell, they were sitting there in the sub and then all of a sudden they were gone. Just like that. And since the implosion happens faster than our nerves can feel, they literally wouldn’t have even know it happened. They wouldn’t have heard anything. Wouldn’t have felt anything. Would have seen anything. It was instantaneous death.
Much better alternative than them being trapped at the bottom of the Atlantic slowly running out of air
Fun fact: You're the 1,912th person to leave this comment on an Oceangate video.
Most likely they were aware it was impending though. Creaking sounds of the hull failing to the point of no return and then bloop gone
@@jasonjones7461they were aware that something was wrong. They attempted to come back up and were communicating with the mother ship about an issue. Whether they knew that it would for sure happen, or if they were under the impression that they’d make it back up, I guess only they’ll ever know.
@@prettyladygames3513 Please quit repeating these myths. The 'communications' have been thoroughly debunked. Speculation about their supposed suffering is ghoulish. Most likely they didn't hear anything. Creaking and cracking had been heard repeatedly before and Rush had gaslit reporters and investors into thinking they were normal. It was lights out.
It's telling that the guy who states 'who needs all these regulations, there hasn't been an accident in decades!' shows why that is, because he ignores the regulations.
it's the same reason why travelling by plane is by far the safest form of transit on the planet (except for Boeing planes lol), it's heavily regulated. We dont just let someone fly passenger jets after ten minutes of training with a fucking gamepad...
If you want to ignore the regulations, know why the regulations were written in the first place. Don't be an ignorant bull-headed fool. Ask, listen, have some humility, read some history. THEN look at the regulations, _understand_ them, and MAYBE you might spot a regulation that needs updating, or even isn't necessary. Ask some other people, see if they agree.
Show respect.
All rich people are like that, whether the regulations protect workers rights, safety or stop illegal activity.
And now he is a poster example of why you should follow safety standards.
Same thing with pandemic prevention. When prevention is too effective, someone thinks we don’t need it.
One thing that stood out to me during the period where nobody knew if the passengers were still alive or not was how everyone on the internet was arguing about whether or not it was okay to be happy that a bunch of multimillionaires were killed by their own hubris.
There were two major camps, one which said it was wrong to delight in anyone’s death even if they weren’t good people, and the other which argued that mega wealthy people are the worst people in the world and the source of so much suffering that their deaths were a net positive for humanity. And ultimately there seemed to be a loose consensus that the French researcher and the 19 year old son didn’t deserve to die, but good riddance for Stockton Rush, the oil tycoon, and the private airline magnate.
…It was an odd time, to be sure.
There are a lot of spiteful morons in this world.
@CharlieApples best to stay off social media during those world events
@@Lawyerboyleslie72 might as well stay off, youtube always deleting my comments ffs. You can't say anything nowadays.
It's just hard to muster much sympathy for people who have hundreds of thousands to spend on exclusive expeditions while SO MUCH of the US is struggling to afford rent, healthcare, and time off. I do think it was wrong that they weren't informed of all the risks before making the decision to go on their outlandishly exorbitant vacation.
I think it's easier to feel sympathy for the son especially, who was pressured (that is NOT a fun word to use for this) into taking this death trip. But I think overall with how so many people have come to…let's just say “not respect” millionaires and the rich in general, there's a lot of disconnect people feel from the death of a CEO they've never heard of from something that he intentionally knew was unsafe, ignored warnings, etc.
I'll give Rush one bit of credit. He was the first billionaire willing to get aboard his own death trap.
Edit: Apparently Stockton Rush was not a billionaire. Oops.
That’s how stupid he was lol
facts
A true narcissist, thought he could do no wrong 😂
@@SaidarRising "I can't die, I have too much money and I'm too important to die"
I'm pretty sure he was nowhere near a billionaire.
"we risk capital, not people" *proceeds to do LITERALLY the opposite*
Nah, the capital was definitely risked here too. OceanGate is never coming back from this, no one is gonna _want_ OceanGate to come back from this!
If your company's founder- your current boss- terminated his own earthly existence in the dumbest, most avoidable way possible, all for a thinly-veiled vanity project, would you wanna continue his work? Personally I'd feel mighty foolish...
Fun Fact: Titanic’s older sister, RMS Olympic, sunk a submarine during World War I! I guess now Titanic can say she sunk a submarine!
Not to be this douche, but I think it was Britanic that became a WW1 medical ship. Was sunk by a submarine anyway during WW1. The Olympic was actually the only one of the 3 ships to survive, eventually retired in the 1930s. The pictures from the inside of t Olympic helped recreate the Titanic for the James Cameron movie
Source: very sad history nerd here
@Moocake no it actually was the Olympic, it sunk U-107 during the first world war. Britanic was sunk by a mine laid by a U-Boat (U-73)
Damn that's cool, didn't know that thanks for clarifying. One survived I was deffo certain on that!
Then Titatic didn't sunk the submarine, Olympic did
@@umi2751 the titanic sunk. Not the Olympic they were completely different 😂💀
Those who do learn the lessons of history are doomed to watch in horror while the people who didn't learn the lesson repeat the same mistakes again and again.
Some who learn the lessons of history use them to manipulate others the way it's been done over and over.
And we can expect someone several decades from now using a technology just discovered (and not adequately tested) to take paying people down to see the remains of the Titan, where they become the newest to repeat history.
During COVID News companies found out that having a timer counting down or a counter going up is a easy way to get people to stay watching, that's the reason they were so quick to spread the idea that they were trapped and time is running out
Interesting idea, thanks for sharing
Doom timers are a way older idea, they have been in use for a long time in disaster coverage whenever it is known that people in distress have only a limited amount of food, water, oxygen or other ressources.
It's kinda weird they did that though.
I'm not at all a sailor or anything, but I enjoy reading. I initially thought it was a submarine, and my knowledge is mostly limited to documentaries and war movies and the like.
You'd blow the ballast tanks, and rise really fast to the surface, perhaps risk the crew being violently ill. But that's for defense subs, and the Titanic is *all the way down* there.
4000m, and they'd lost contact around 2 hours in, so they were at least halfway there.
I remember thinking, the ocean is the boot, they're in the can, so it was pointless.
I assume that the coast guard has to keep trying until they know for sure that the folks are gone, hence they keep trying, and the news cycle is the news cycle
@@rustomkanishka Rescue workers of any kind work under the assumption that people may be saved until they have definite proof of the opposite. That is how every once in a while people get miraculously saved against all odds.
Titanic was equipped with more lifeboats than were necessary according to the regulations of the time. The regulations however were based on several assumptions about length of time a ship was likely to take to sink, and the (then new) technology of wireless telegraph which would allow a ship to call for help. Obviously the sinking of the Titanic showed up the safety regulations for the joke that they were.
That's true, but I'm not convinced more life boats would have helped in Titanic's case. The final two life boats could not be launched in time but slid from the deck right into the atlantic. So I doubt that the crew could do any better with extra life boats cluttering the deck. As it was the ships maiden vayage a relativly large part of the crew wasn't very familiar with Titanic. Add to this the state of emergency in the middle of the night and those extra boats complicating the evacuation could just as well done more harm than good.
@@Darilon12 revised regulations that were imposed after the sinking required an adequate reserve margin of lifeboats to account for scenarios where not all the boats were useable. They also improved the procedures for lifeboat drills, crowd control, that sort of thing. I am certain that in the case of Titanic these regulations would definitely have helped save more people.
the worst part of this video is him making comparisons to the Titanic Disaster. Most of his claims are Bullshit. There really was nothing particularly negligent about Titanic. It followed all standard regulations.
By comparison the Titan went out of its way to be unsafe.
@@MrRandomcommentguythey’ve done some testing and it’s wouldn’t have helped much. The ship was listing badly and was only afloat for about two hours, with a lot of that time having been wasted. It would have of course helped if they were completely filling life boats before sending them out, but it’s likely that they couldn’t have filled all of the boats even if they had them or had different ways.
@@Darilon12
Loading more passengers/ crew per lifeboat "from the getgo" would (possibly?) have saved more lives?
As well as better training as stated above in your comment, and Lifeboat Drill instructions for all aboard Titanic...
I read somewhere that the drill was postponed? (Or was that a different ship and disaster?)
39:58 This is an insult to Harland and Wolf. Their designers did NOT ignore safety or fail to prepare. They actually went above and beyond the standards of the time when it was built. The problem was they'd failed to realise just how bad the "worst case scenario" was. There wasn't a single safety regulation that Titanic's designers broke.
Titanic failed when hit by a disaster that went beyond everything their designers had thought they'd have to worry about.
Titan failed fundamentally at doing what it was built for, with no unforseen circumstances.
Had the Titanic been as badly built as the Titan was for its job it never would have hit any iceberg. It'd have broken in two as soon as it left port just from the shock of sailing through large waves for the first time.
Exactly. Titanic was high tech AND high quality.
It would have been fine for many years if used as intended - don’t speed near an ice field at night for example.
The titanic was missing safety chambers. Harland and Wolfe designed a good ship but it was never completed. Walls to complete bouyancy chambers were missing.
@@screaminlordbyron7767 They weren't missing, they were shortened, to allow for larger rooms, grand dining room, etc. It was a completed ship.
In hindsight was this a bad idea? Yes. At the time Titanic was built it was still safer than most ships being built. Again, they didn't know better. The Oceangate designers did, but built their craft like that anyway.
@@Karagianis you say tomayto i say tomahto;)
I was a US navy Submariner for 20 years and to hear Stockton Rush refer the submarine safety program the way he did tells me everything we need to know about why this happened. The US Navy lost 2 Subs and created a safety program so intensive it has not lost a sub since 1968. Everything has redundancy and a high safety attitude. It’s to the point that bolts exposed to high sea pressure are tracked so if the ore from the mine it came from is found to have issues the navy knows exactly what ships have those bolts onboard. It works so well NASA adopted the program after the challenger disaster.
Bragger 🙄🙄🙄
The problem is that SUBSAFE only applies to MILITARY submarines. Had the TITAN been classified as a MILITARY asset, we wouldn't be talking about this story today.
Cool story bro
Very interesting, didn't know that. Thanks for sharing!
Wasn't the Challenger disaster due more to the cold weather and a hole in a part of the rocket that, combined with the oxygen in the air and heat of the launch, that caused the explosion? I remember reading a bunch about the Challenger back during my Freshman year in Highschool thanks to my science teach at the time covering space and having my class do research into rockets. Now I'm my fairness it has been 5-6 years since I read those articles so I very well could be wrong.
There were a few pressure tests on the carbon fiber haul before titan was built. All of these tests ended in implosion before the desired pressure was reached. Rush knew this and still used carbon fiber.
He even told the engineers to re-use parts from the imploded vessel that seemed to be intact. (Which is a horrible idea)
The carbon fibre hull was pressure tested at reduced scale and failed. Oceangate couldn't $afford$ to validate 'creeping failure', induced by repeated submersions at unthinkable pressures. Mr. Rush was accurate when he stated, "you're remembered for the rules you break".
Can't believe it lasted as long as it did! The enormous pressure on every square inch of the Titan is so far from normal experience, it's hard to imagine - a hundred and twenty school busses piled up on every square inch is a hella lotta school busses!!
@@stevengill1736 lots of the dives they claimed to have were found to not have taken place. they outright lied about their record and their website at one point listed they were certified by an organization. Said organization got very angry and demanded to be taken off the website.
@@toomanyaccounts Yeah, the amount of deception and lies makes the titan implosion criminal in nature. They knew it was unsafe, yet charged 250k per “mission specialist”-guest anyway. 5 people died because of one guys recklessness.
If he were allowed to go up to space, I’m pretty sure he would have killed people up there too.
There is an argument to be made that too many saftey restrictions make innovation harder, but just throwing every rule overboard and going on instinct will get people hurt and killed.
James Cameron was right: this incident was 100% avoidable. It shouldn’t have happened.
Stockton was a PRIME example of an "expert" ENGINEER in one field, mistakenly thinking that it automatically makes him an expert ENGINEER in ALL FIELDS!
@tomr6955 correction "NONE", his EGO was the only "MASTER"
A couple corrections:
The night Titanic sank there was no fog. It was perfectly clear, which is why they thought they'd be able to see any ice bergs approaching. The issue was it was also moonless and the water was still, which made it impossible to spot ice bergs, as they were not much brighter than the sky behind them, and did not have waves crashing against them.
Further, they weren't trying to set any speed records, and in fact wouldn't have been able to, as the Olympic class was built for luxury, not speed. There was an offhand remark by Ismay that they might beat Olympic's time, but this was an observation, not a directive, as it was later misconstrued to be by a smear campaign launched by William Randolph Hearst.
They were still going too fast for an area of ocean known for icebergs
@@mollymcdade4031 This is true. My point is they weren't speeding out of any desire to set records, just out of arrogance and overconfidence in their ability to spot bergs quickly.
@@mollymcdade4031 On the other side it was a common strategy to pass iceberg fields as quickly as possible. Propably not the best strategy, but far from personal recklessnes as shown by OceanGate.
My question is where the heck were the headlights for Titanic?! They should have had more than just fog lights. Seriously like if I'm getting on a possible death trap with no way to escape, I wanna see in front of my own face!
@@lordofoshu8017 OceanlinerDesigns has an excellent video on why ships don't have headlights, but the short answer is, they wouldn't reach far enough to see anything, and would ruin the night vision of the lookouts. The way they spotted bergs in Titanic's day was to make the front of the ship dark, then look for a faint reflection of moonlight, or the breaking of waves, at the horizon.
If Stockton Rush had somehow survived the Titian disaster, he would have not been deterred from making further dives on the the Titanic. He would have simply put it down to unforeseen circumstances and considered the loss a learning curve. Only death was going to stop the madness in Rushton's brain, as it inevitably did.
If he somehow survived, I would like to have seen him behind bars for a few decades.
A jail sentence is probably what awaited him. He could keep Elizabeth Holmes company
Of all the controllers he could've chosen, it had to be the one from a console made famous for crashing via the red ring of death.
when the silver lining is "they likely died instantly"
I would love to see an UN-MANNED sub similar to Titan tested to its limit to see if there were any warnings from the sub itself that it was going to implode BEFORE its final dive
I’ve thought the same thing 👍
Every single test he did on the carbon fiber hull imploded before reaching the depth they needed. Lmao. Plenty of warning. He ignored the results of those tests and went with a carbon fiber hull anyway.
The control cable would be so heavy and expensive
@@mckennadishongh2160 except they had made successful trips to the Titanic which debunks your claim. The issue was that they kept using the CFRP hull. The first few dives a CFRP hull would be very strong and handle that depth but Rush was told and should have known that a carbon fiber hull wasn't going to last long.
The text exchange with the surface ship says the deamination alarm was going off.
I'll say this for Rush. The next time bickering gamers are making a tier list of videogame controllers sorted by quality many will comfort knowing their joypads, fishing reels, flight sticks, dance pads and nunchucks aren't going in the tier labelled "5 people died".
The funny thing is that controller was made better
Fun fact: Something like 90% of historic pictures and videos of Titanic are actually of her sister ship, Olympic.
You see, Olympic was launched first, and was a big deal, so journalists and photographers took a lot of photos of her. Titanic was the second born, and looked almost identical, and thus there was no novelty anymore, and thus no so much interest among the press.
However, after the disaster the demand for photos and footage of Titanic skyrocketed. Problem was, there was very little of it. Thus, a huge amount of photos and footage of Olympic was used as "the Titanic", because they looked almost identical. There are many photos and even some film where the name "Olympic" on the side of the ship has been crudely removed.
So when you see historic photos of the Titanic, chances are it's actually the Olympic.
To add, usually one can tell the ships by the differences in the Promenade Deck, Olympic is completely open, Titanic had some enclosed spaces on that deck.
Olympics bridge wings are also level with the side of the superstructure rather than sticking out like Titanic’s but it’s less obvious than the Promenade
I've commented until i'm blue in the face about how negligent OceanGate was in various aspects... But can we talk about how horrible their business model was? Based on what it would cost and operate to build a Deep water submersible, that was safe. Add depths of 12000 plus feet you would have to be running 3 trips a day to the titanic all completely full of passengers paying the max amount. Anyone who starts to really look at the business can quickly see that without investors pouring in new money, there is no way this business model will ever be sustainable. It's literally a money pit death trap.
Nothing adds up about the business models. Same with the sub construction, both of their subs took Oceangate about 2 years max. It's just maddening when you watch documentaries about the other dives to Titanic
@Moocake yes! Thank you! I deal with high pressure in the oil and gas industry so believe it or not a lot of our safety procedures are similar and to see what he did is baffling. It was never a matter of if he'd kill someone, it was always just a matter of when. I don't even think he realized it but he looked at every crucial safety standard and said "that takes too long and costs too much" and calls it innovation. You're not innovating. You're just don't it in a way that's been proven wrong. You're just playing Russian roulette with people's lives.
Oh dude you probably know way more about it than me, should have picked your brain about it lmao. I think it was a clear case of Dunning Krueger effect with Stockton, probably thought he knew way more than he actually did
@Moocake absolutely correct, he was a very intelligent guy I don't think anyone will argue that. His expertise in this area was lacking though. I guess call it ego? But he should have listened to his colleagues and some of his own employees. Honestly though, this is a situation where you don't want to know more about safety man... it just makes the whole thing more upsetting. Pressure is no joke. It is unforgiving and one thing Rush seemed to not understand is that by the time you realize something is wrong, it's way too late. Put it this way, I saw this in another video. It takes the brain about 150 milliseconds to identify pain. At that depth and pressure, they were crushed in about 20 milliseconds. They could've died 7 times over before even realizing they were hurt.
@@travelreview5962 yeah Hamish Harding who went to Challenger Deep on Limiting Factor had the opportunity to pay a million dollars to go on it to the Titanic. This million was stated to cover the costs of the support ship going out there. There is a reason why private expeditions on the Mirs to the Titanic past the 90s were stated to be 15 million dollars.
Ah yes, “Aerospace experts, NASA and Boeing.” All leaders in the field of submarine development. One would think the Navy or literally anyone who does anything to do with water instead of space and aircraft would have been more appropriate.
Well, Boeing has such a stellar track record of safety these days, why wouldn't you trust them?
Those are all lies too. They had to contract the aerospace suppliers as they solely own the equipment and tooling to make a carbon fiber structure at that size. If i buy a banana at kroger, kroger is not a partner in my breakfast
@@danielescobar7618 also, there is barely any pressure in space, and the ISS is pressurized to 1 atmosphere, whereas at the titanic, there are 375 atmospheres of pressure
The poor guy never got to go to Mars because his eyesight…he could only go down.
7:18 Ironically, Otis Barton, the designer of the Bathysphere, rejected an early cilindrical design in favour of a spherical one because he realised the latter would better withstand the pressure of the water.
You can't make this up man
Brilliant
Listening to Stockton Rush speak is like listening to Michael Scott from The Office
Suleman was not reluctant to go and nor did he join the trip just to please his father, his mother was also there with him and said he was so excited to go that she gave up her seat for him, and he even took a Rubik's cube with him to solve while at the wreck site. This misconception was spread by his aunt, who gave an interview while his Mum was still at sea with the expedition and unable to speak with the press, leading to it still being repeated in videos and articles more than a year later.
Suleman's mom was disqualified months before the launch as too heavy to go; there was no such thing as 'she gave up her seat for him' except maybe in her imagination.
Big ups 🙏
@@egm8602
Says a lot, doesn't it?
@@egm8602 Do you have a source for this?
I have heard this. I have to wonder if he wasn't just nervous and telling different relatives different things. I mean, I know I would be terribly nervous to go, but I would also want to go. It would be a real conflicting feeling.
Stockton often went on about how almost all submarine fatalities were due to operator error rather than vehicle failure.
Yes. Yes. There was a reason for that.
Eh, unlike this silly thing, the Titanic was actually built out of the best known materials for the job. And to the highest standard they knew how to build a ship.
It just got really unlucky after that one poor judgement call.
Yes, the Titanic was built of the best known materials for the job, but there were some reckless decisions that destroyed its chances from the outset. 1) Ismay's two decisions during the design phase to lower the bulkheads to just above the water line and reduce the number of lifeboats on the davits from 48 to 16 and 2) combining 20 knots an hour speed with only two lookouts who didn't even have binoculars proving the captain was ignoring warnings about the unusual number of icebergs in a large icefield during that section of the sea crossing.
So there were some lack of soundness similarities, sadly enough.
@@egm8602 Ismay didn't specify a hull constructed of tin foil wrapped in frozen wet newspaper, cooled by a tank of liquid nitrogen. That's the level of fuch-up we're talking here.
There were errors in judgement, I agree, but consider the following:
1. The consequences of losing 5 compartments were known from the start. Adding further mitigation (by raising the bulkheads) wouldn't save the hull. We know better now, but don't forget, this was unexplored territory back then.
2.1 They didn't even manage to fill the boats they already _had_ in that time.
2.2 The purpose of the boats was only ever to ferry passengers from a sinking ship to rescue vessels. Leading up to this hull loss, there had been numerous incidents where passengers had been evacuated to lifeboats only to then be taken out by a storm, while the ship fared a lot better. They would have been seen as an absolute last resort, based on the bad weather assumption. Captains at the time would have been reluctant to use them as well, for the same reason - no use evacuating a ship that _migjt_ sink into lifeboats that *will* be capsised by the next big wave. As it happens, when this ol' girl went under, they knew the ship WILL sink, conditions were calm as calm got and rescue was _just_ out of reach.
3. The no binos, no lights and high-ish speed was indeed an error in judgement.
4. The rad ops were busy sending private communications all day, I'm not convinced they were even listening when the ice warnings were issued, never mind managing to get that information to the captain in time.
There were some errors in judgement, some unfortunate circumstances and some faulty assumptions, but I do not see something that rises quite to the level of what cut price Electric Jesús did.
By the way "knots" is the unit of speed, as in nautical miles per hour. Widely used in aviation too. "Knots per hour" becomes its odd-lookib first-order derivative. In other words, a unit of acceleration. Given the size and mass of that ship, it's probably in the right order of magnitude for this one. Maybe knots per minute with the engines at full power 😅
@@egm8602 The maddening thing about Titanic is how long it took to sink, it could have got so many people out on lifeboats.
It's also such a busy bit of the Atlantic, most would have survived on them too.
@@luckyspurstitanic couldn’t even get all her its lifeboats launched because she was listing
Someone stated that Stockton Rush sounds like the name of a Bioshock villain...and I can't think of a more appropriate description.
What got under my skin about the media coverage of this mess was the fixation of the fact that a PlayStation controller was used to control the Titan. That controller was probably the only sound bit of engineering in her.
Yes, but to be fair, it's the easiest way to carry the information that everything on this operation was done on the cheap.
Sure, many specialized vehicles and devices around the world are made partially from "off the shelf" parts (in fact, probably alll of them), but "off the shelf" doesn't mean "We got that part from Aliexpress" as Stockton seemed to think.
Why custom build something when something already exists? I don't make tyres for my car, I buy them off the shelf.
With a name like Oceangate it was predestined for scandal.
Even if the carbon fiber didn't fail, they were marrying two different materials to make the hull, materials which condense under pressure very differently. All it would take is a miniscule gap between the titanium end cap and the carbon fiber main body and the submersible would have crushed.
Mooocake! I think this is the first serious piece I've seen from you (yes, internet drama is wasted on you). Not just a comedian then. I was hooked all the way through, no joke in the age of short attention span uploads. You deserve another drink!
24:12 - "You're remembered for the rules you break" -MacArthur -Stockton Rush
Big Michael Scott energy here.
Stockton Rush's huge ego prevented him from taking advice from specialists who knew better. He bought the carbon fiber from an airline who couldn't use it for a plane because it was so old
I always thought that “it was run by a game controller” was an overexaggeration. I’m horrified to discover that I was wrong.
the issue was it is wireless and there was no real backup control system. often the dives were canceled because the wireless system failed to function due to the computer system glitching out.
game controllers are fine. cheap, easy to source, easy to use.
the problem is not having a spare wired one incase the first fails.
@@quantum5661 the issue was all the control systems were on the same system. not seperate. so if the wireless went down than the touchscreen controls also went down. This apparently was frequent when they were starting a dive and had to abort it.
real submersibles try to have the control systems be independent of one another so if one goes down the others aren't affected. they even have a manual control in addition to the joystick and touchscreen controls.
I can't see why that would be an issue when the real issue lay elsewhere.
@@forevercomputing try reading the replies above you
"How many atmospheres can this ship without?"
"Well, this is a space ship, so anywhere from zero to one"
Love a good Futurama reference
If you want a little fun fact.. Sending people to their dooms in a submersible wasn't enough, now they want to do it in a rocket in space! Look up "Guillermo Söhnlein" moon plan. Lmfao.
You think that's bad? A man named Larry Connor from Ohio wants to build another sub to visit the wreck of the titan
Degeneracy knows no bounds
@@SHDW-nf2ki that's fucking sick mate I'm going on that
Their money I guess.
People get to cut stuff off their bodies too now, without getting thrown into solitary, might as well let them go all in and snuff themselves out completely in space or 4km underwater amr?
@@Moocake how to spot someone who hasnt done his homework about the titanic: he or she says the titanic didnt have enough life boats on board. for one: the titanic had more lifeboats on board then legaly required. for two: the closest ship to the titanic didnt respond. and fro three: the US armed forces tested the lifeboat hypothesis shortly after the sinking. the result of the simulation was the even with enough lifeboat space for everyone on board hundres would have died because the ship couldnt have been evacuated fast enough. the simulation was btw done with soldier under even better conditions than the sinking of the titanic gave for rescue operations.
Could you imagine if Stockton got his space ambitions off the ground? Claiming he can go into space in a cardboard rocket
Ignoring warnings from other sub builders has to be the second biggest judgement oversight ever since ignoring a couple dozen iceberg warnings
I'm gonna start a line soft drinks called Stockton Crush....Each can will feature a picture of a smiling Stockton with his famous quote underneath: "You are remembered by the rules you break"......Available in eight implosively, exhilarating flavors....Blueberry Burst, Lemon Hubris, Arrogant Grape, Narcissistic Lime, Orange Psychopathy, Chocolate Idiocy, Titanic Cranberry and our absolute favorite; Strawberry Slime................Available for only 250 000 a case........Feel the Rush...Feel the Crush.............Stockton Crush: Bet you can't drink more then one!......
And then people can conduct that cool experiment where you put the can on the stove then move the empty can to a bowl of ice water and it implodes. It would be best if the can looked like the Titan 🏴☠️
Strawberry flavour?
Respect mr Rush!
@@SupBro-ww9goSell it with a mister. Make the drink bright pink.
@@Rummy893 I have a lot of patience, respect for idiots, but idiots who knowingly took people down in a deathtrap? No, I have no respect for that
The most horrific thing about the sinking of the Titanic is that it happened in almost complete darkness. There was no moon that night.
Im a playstation gamer , i have about 5 dead controlers since wireless ps3, if i trusted that with my life i would be dead 5 times in just 15 years
I’d argue the Titan’s approach to safety was worse than the Titanic. The Titanic’s amount of lifeboats was actually complying with the regulations of the time, though they were outdated and inadequate. Ocean Gate saw the regulations and deliberately chose to ignore them.
This video should be titled "The Madness of an expensive suicide mission."
I’m still seeing tech bro RUclipsrs trying to claim that all of this was still innovation. Apparently the word innovation Now means, if you can manage to do something a handful of times, it’s a proven technology. Hey, I dropped this glass on the ground and it didn’t break, therefore this glass must be shatter proof, oh, what would you know, the next time I dropped it? It broke, innovation bro!
I think on its own the idea of being able to make a safe submersible with much cheaper components and less complex controls would've been an incredible boon to deep sea exploration. But if Rush had really wanted to prove that what he was doing was innovation, he should've sent Cyclops and Titan to be certified/tested next to industry standard submersibles. Innovating a piece of technology is done by finding a better way to achieve the same end result, including with the same reliability. Instead, Rush used "innovator" in place of calling himself a maniac.
I loved this video Moocake! Your commentary and in-depth look into Ocean and the Titan Submarine incident was amazing. The key things to take away are that it’s important to listen to other people’s concerns and always prioritize safety over ambition. Also, idiocy is EVERYWHERE and can be dangerous.
I feel like it's pretty unfair to the Olympic series to say that Oceangate made the same mistakes as the Titanic. The Titanic hadn't been notified of flaws anywhere near as many times as Oceangate had. They hadn't watched test versions buckle only to continue with the same design. They had redundancies! There were 16 watertight compartments, it's just that they were made of a metal that we know now were particularly sensitive to changes in temperature, becoming easier to damage in the cold. The Titanic DID comply with safety standards, because it was assumed at the time that lifeboats were intended to be used to ferry back and forth between a damaged and potentially sinking (but very very slowly) ship, rather than to flee it. "Only" 30 people (of 1066) died when the Britannic sank at least in part because they made changes after the Titanic sank.
Not to mention, the Titanic's older and near-identical sister ship the Olympic had a long career crossing the Atlantic. Olympic even served in WW1 and took part in combat (she rammed a submarine off the British coast in 1918).
The Olympic line were well-designed ships. Titanic simply had the misfortune of hitting the iceberg in JUST the right way to doom her.
Exactly!
"Safely Diving"
Proceeds to implode half way down.
I feel bad for the 19 year old and that's about it.
Same.
How can an “engineer” not do the basic math to understand the difference between tensile and compressive strength? Can he not calculate spheres under tension? That drilling holes and differing materials compromises integrity? He has blood on his hands convincing people to literally go down with him.
I may be wrong-perhaps this is covered later in this video-but IIRC, it isn't that the submersible couldn't withstand the pressure by calculation; it was that the wear on the material couldn't be tracked, and _that's_ why it went bad this time. By the numbers, it was fine... the first few times.
But like I said, this is IIRC so perhaps wrong.
This was 100x better than old content and was really well done.
First time watcher. I never would of expected you to be a drama RUclipsr, you come off naturally as a presenter of good information and entertaining too. I’ll keep my eyes peeled, good luck on your next chapter.
That's really nice to hear honestly, thank you. I'll probably still do a little drama and commentary moving forward, but thoroughly enjoying doing these mockumentary things too for now
white glint my beloved
@@zSTALKn hahah bro I live for seeing people that recognize the emblem out here. Much love
Engineer here. Titan had some massive design flaws to be sure, but being piloted by a controller is not that outlandish. Controllers are used in military drone control for the express purpose of making it easy train people who are used to playing video games. Now, I would definitely NOT use an off brand wireless controller, but you get the picture.
The fact that the sub is named the “Cyclops” is so ironic. The Cyclops was a beast without 20/20 vision (as they say hindsight is 20/20 and they now can’t see their mistake) and was stabbed to death in the myth in the eye while sleeping (it was being dumb). It’s still a tragedy though, but it’s almost like fate was giving them a warning. It’s like naming your airplane the “Icarus”. Sometimes naming your ship an ironic self deprecating name makes it survive forever though, but those ships are crewed by smart crew.
More like Stockton Mush, amirite?
You have made me snort, please accept a heart thingy on your comment
how could journalists possibly have believed that the knocking sounds could come from a submersible at the bottom of the sea? The oceans look like highways these days, they're so full of noises that marine creatures are suffering and getting disoriented by it.
Good vid,
I didnt know he had a degree in air engineering. Reminds me of futuram " how many atmospheres of pressure can the ship take !"
Professor f - "well its a space ship, so one" lol
Never get involved with anything that ends in "gate".
"You're remembered for the rules you break." My parole officer said the exact same thing.
"How was this allowed to happen?"
I think in the last few years we've proved without a doubt that there's no laws for the rich 😂
With full VR 3D headset available now that could immerse you, I have no idea why we need any human at all in an exploration submarine, just put cameras....
“Regulation is bad” guy who imploded because his submarine didn’t fit regulations
When you wonder why your hairdryer has a warning saying "not to be used while in the shower" remember there are humans like this out there
Definitely need more of these “documentary style” vids!
Fun fact: The diving suit pictured at 7:01, is still in use today, though obviously modernized. Many 'hard hat' type commercial divers, swear by the spherical spun copper (it's more a form of brass, but it's called copper) helmets when working extended hours at depth.
If I've learned one thing from consuming content about stuff like this, it's that safety regulations are written in blood.
When you become a multimillionaire, one perk is that regulations are optional.
When I first heard they used carbon fiber I assumed sheets when I heard it was cord wrapped around a mold my brain screamed "SO MANY FAILURE POINTS"
Lol, rich people always think the laws of physics and thermodynamics don't apply to them.
Really? 😂😂😂😂
By always you mean this one case?
the safety rules around the submarine are written in blood and/or death
Plus in the small print it says you have to sacrifice a goat to Beelzebub
@@Moocake I had no idea Sumariners werr Jewish, you learn something new everyday
they always are, not only around submarines
This was really good! I love the combo of information and humor. I would love to see more of your commentary. As I learned about the Titan and Stockton Rush, i couldn't believe how many warnings from intelligent people he just blew off, not to mention him picking things up at the local home Depot for his projects. You said all the things I felt.
I don't know why but that Oceangate story facinated me (in an infuriating way) and I've watched countless videos on the subject. This one is the best of all. Hats off for the awesome work done here !
I am so thankful that my mother told me the tale of Icarus, who flew too close to the sun and fell into the sea because of his arrogance.
Just wanted to give you some feedback as a new viewer to your channel. I’ve watched a lot about this subject and really enjoyed your style of storytelling, the added commentary and well researched video. I look forward to your next deep dive!
Dive... heh. I see what you did there
I honestly feel really bad for the boy, and only the boy
5:10 The only fog that fatal night was on the windows of that car in the movie. Skies were particularly clear in fact.
00:20 they made a 12,500 ft journey to the bottom of the ocean alright
…a one way journey 💀
Technically, they werent lying when they were saying "a once in a lifetime opportunity".
Thank god Ive never touched a videogame controller in my life. Mouse and keyboard for life.
I just want to address the fact that Oceangate says they have MacGuyver skills, when they are more accurately MacGruber skills.
Loved the presentation! Hope to see you again.
Hey, I just found your channel and I think this style of video is brilliant. I very much enjoyed watching whilst getting ready for my day and would suggest continuing this style rather than RUclips drama.
"And you did get your wish. You will forever be remembered for the rules you broke." - Glass Onion
Glass Onion is a good name for the Oceangate sub too.
stockton rush is a modern day icarus
Well, thanks to a certain someone now we have a clear example of why carbon fiber is not used for submarines.
Technically, the Titanic had MORE lifeboats than was required in the day. Lots of lifeboats weren't considered necessary since the Atlantic route travelled at the time was so busy, no one could imagine that any ship would have to evacuate everyone on board without there being other ships in the area to rescue people. The California was remiss in turning off their radio or they could have arrived in time to save everyone.
Titanic
“Still killing people”
Xd 😂
I think the reason the Titanic is so known has a lot more to do with it being the impetus behind the global adoption of ship safety standards. The same reason you've probably heard of Chernobyl, essentially.
Nope. No fog that night. It was a moonless windless night, very dark with no waves breaking on the base of the iceberg. Really hard to spot in time without binoculars. But the foot on the gas pedal really did the trick.
They left the binoculars.
@@HumanHamCubeAs far as I heard, the man in charge of the key to the lockbox in the lookout chose to stay behind in Belfast. They did have binoculars, they just had no way of getting to them.
Besides, they'd likely have hit something anyway. Oceanliner Designs made a video of what the ice field they sailed through really looked like, and between the pitch blackness, the still waters, and the literal hundreds of icebergs, Captain Smith's only right call would have been to stop for the night, like other ships in the area had.
The Captain of the Carpathia straight up said something other than him must've had their hand on the helm that night, because it was a miracle she didn't strike a berg herself on the way to rescue the survivors.
@@HumanHamCube Nope; the binoculars were on the ship. They knew EXACTLY where the binoculars were, too; they simply didn't want to break open the locker and get them out. First Officer Blair kept the key (accident? souvenir?) got off Titanic at Southampton.
@egm8602 sorry meant to add a question mark. And yes you are correct!
@@egm8602 Second officer blair did return the keys to a crewmember but they never showed up before titanic left