The Horrifying Case Of The Girl's Body In The Box - 1883.

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  • @chriswilliamson83
    @chriswilliamson83 День назад +20

    The fact that she was put in a bloody box should tell you something wasn't "normal" !!!

  • @stephenoverend293
    @stephenoverend293 21 час назад +20

    It's really sad that this monster was never caught and kept living a life as if nothing happened. In my opinion this girl suffered a lot before she died. Very heartbreaking 💔 😢. May she rest in peace 🙏

  • @rogerscottcathey
    @rogerscottcathey День назад +21

    If the remains still exist, it presents an ideal case for tracing by DNA analysis
    And I find the lack of follow up for confirmation of the father's assertions lay the greater suspicion upon him

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +5

      I couldn't find any record of her burial, Roger, although it must have taken place. She was originally meant to be buried on the Saturday a week later, but they postponed the interment to take dental casts o see if Mary Seward's mother recognised the teeth.

    • @thehangingparsiple5692
      @thehangingparsiple5692 День назад

      ​@@JackTheRipperTours
      That's interesting.

  • @MyBella-o2v
    @MyBella-o2v День назад +17

    So sad it hurts my heart,poor girl,i wonder if they give her a decent funeral? I suspect her father if he was? Very bizzare,Excellent work Richard 👏

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +7

      It is a very sad story. She was meant to be buried the Saturday after the first inquest. However, they postponed the funeral to that they could take a cast of her teeth to make a model to show to Mary Seward's mother. There was no mention of a funeral or burial thereafter, but I presume she was laid to rest in a pauper's grave. I know that in other cases where the victim was not identified the police were the only ones who attended the funeral.

  • @perlefisker
    @perlefisker День назад +13

    Truly a mysterious case that at the same time offers a particular niche of the times.
    Mr. Smith must have been unaware of the content of the box he delivered.
    I'm fascinated by the intriguing use of AI, and am still wondering, how it's made.
    Thank you for another interesting, well researched and well produced video!

  • @fionahireland
    @fionahireland День назад +26

    What a disturbing and horrible death for this poor girl! Did the father murder her in a rage? As The Graphic mentioned, no one sought out the child, which suggests they knew her outcome... Another excellent video. Your content, research and presentation style are top kotch.

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +5

      Thank you, Fiona. That is really kind of you. I found the supposed father's statements quite bizarre. I also wondered if "Mr Smith" might have been a medical student from the London Hospital.

    • @JerseyTarotTrend
      @JerseyTarotTrend 15 часов назад

      @@JackTheRipperTours You do wonderful and impressive work, JTRT! I like reading cards on crime cases. I am sorry there was no clear outcome on this one, I am curious, why do you suspect Mr. Smith was a medical student?

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  15 часов назад +1

      Thank you, that's very kind of you. My reason for thinking he may have been a medical student is that the London Hospital was/is just around the corner from Cambridge Heath Road, and it had/has a very busy medical school. Apparently the students were notorious for playing pranks with bodies and bits of bodies.

    • @JerseyTarotTrend
      @JerseyTarotTrend 15 часов назад

      @@JackTheRipperTours Oh, my. That is horrific! Reminds one of the resurrectionists.

  • @wenflenful
    @wenflenful 23 часа назад +6

    Clara tried to help herself. She reported problems at home. Her father to me is the number one suspect. The police should have followed that lead.

  • @janrren125
    @janrren125 33 минуты назад

    Your channel is so dear to me!Nothing on Y.T.can match the stuff you bring up abot the victorian history.Simply the most interesting period of all time!!!Totally facinating,and a huge thank you pal!!

  • @jwsuicides8095
    @jwsuicides8095 19 часов назад +3

    Another great quality video. Thank you. I hope your subscriber numbers are going up. Other channels say that when they ask for people to subscribe it really makes a difference to their numbers.

    • @JerseyTarotTrend
      @JerseyTarotTrend 15 часов назад

      I just subscribed because I like the content and presentation!

  • @bex438
    @bex438 День назад +8

    What a sad story Richard, how can a child go missing & nobody report her? Like it was stated it seems likely in light of the fact that she didn't seem to be missed or reported missing that the person/people involved were those that should have been looking after her. By the way I love the AI as I think it brings the story to life.

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +1

      Pleased you enjoy the AI. The Mary Seward and Aliza Carter cases are the tip of the iceberg. Between 1880 and 1900 more girls went missing in West Ham, and it became known as the vanishing girls epidemic. Only one was ever found (she had been murdered) and that was a girl called Alice Jeffs. If it wasn't for the Jack the Ripper case, we would probably still be talking about these cases.

    • @thehangingparsiple5692
      @thehangingparsiple5692 День назад

      ​@@JackTheRipperTours
      I did a bit of research into this one for a story I'm writing, and it was reported there were ten disappearances within a year, all within the same area (Portway in West Ham) - men, women and children apparently. One of the missing did briefly return however, and said she was afraid. Then she vanished.
      Amelia Jeffs was found d-. It's an intriguing case!

  • @shirleybezuidenhout2724
    @shirleybezuidenhout2724 День назад +4

    Thanks for another interesting story very well presented. Such a sad story to say the least she will be marked as a Jane Doe which she obviously was because no one came forward.
    Thanks for sharing 👍👍

  • @davesmith7432
    @davesmith7432 День назад +6

    Almost 40k! No channel deserves it more!

    • @JerseyTarotTrend
      @JerseyTarotTrend 16 часов назад

      Yes! I just subscribed. This is a very well-made video, with the AI animated photographs from the era. really well presented.

  • @BenLujan-r5q
    @BenLujan-r5q День назад +6

    Thanks for the newest vid, Mr. Jones -- always appreciated!

  • @Lucinda_Jackson
    @Lucinda_Jackson День назад +10

    Such a sad tale. Poor girl.

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +4

      It was a harrowing story to cover and research, Lucinda.

  • @maryaha7
    @maryaha7 День назад +4

    Hi Richard, and thank you for this video! I love that you use animation to bring characters to life in your stories. This is quite an interesting one. I hope you are having a very happy new year so far.💙

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +1

      Thank you, and I hope you too are enjoying the new year. Pleased you like the animation.

    • @janflannery8637
      @janflannery8637 22 часа назад

      Physcic investigation?
      Just for the hell of it.
      Parcel was clever to get rid of remains.
      Was she a sick child of someone unknown.
      Or was it her father locked her away?
      It stinks of a suspiciuos death. So maybe the latter.

  • @devonstable9913
    @devonstable9913 День назад +5

    An interesting story, told well. I really like the animations Richard.

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it

    • @davidlloyd7597
      @davidlloyd7597 22 часа назад

      Yes. They are better than before. Their bodies move naturally now. AI is getting more realistic by the day.

  • @filmbuff2777
    @filmbuff2777 День назад +7

    Sad story. I think its clear the mysterious sender knew something at the very least.

  • @jolandasteffen3578
    @jolandasteffen3578 День назад +6

    Listening to this...I felt so sorry for her🎀
    Wish I was there to love & take care of het💕

  • @dermotkelly6946
    @dermotkelly6946 День назад +2

    Thank you Richard, will watch tonight 👍

  • @JosephBrown-hm9hk
    @JosephBrown-hm9hk День назад +6

    The best we can do at this remove, and with only very limited evidence, is to speculate. Here's my first reaction. Did "Mr Smith" understand the workings of the delivery firms? Did he realise, that with Christmas approaching, by the time the parcel was delivered, returned, sat around etc, much time would pass giving him time to vanish and for any trail to be well muddied? But the main question is why not dispose of the body in secret? Water courses and burial were common solutions to a dead body problem. However, living in London, maybe in some sort of condensed housing, burial without being caught may not have been an option.

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +2

      Yes, Mr Smith, if that was his real name, is a bit of a mystery. My initial thought was that he may have been a medical student from the London Hospital.

    • @patavinity1262
      @patavinity1262 День назад +1

      I don't think he needed to understand their workings - while the workers who saw him could give a physical description, the likelihood of ever finding him would have been extremely small.
      And actually this was a much better way of disposing of a body in many ways. All he had to do was to put it in a box and take it to the delivery firm. This would not have attracted any suspicion, whereas dumping it in the river or burying it would have done.

  • @pinkushatejar
    @pinkushatejar День назад +1

    What a great video, still my favorite True Crime related channel alongside House of Lechmere. I have to say that usually AI voices put me off, but the facial animation and accompanying voices here do actually increase the quality of the presentation, doesn't distract or seem too artificial, and used appropriately to not overdo it. Looks and sounds great. What AI do you use for the facial animations? Just a suggestion, a presentation about the possible witness visual descriptions of the Whitechapel murderer and how much they resemble some of the known suspects would be very interesting, I really don't know how many if any of the suspects bear much resemblance to one or more of the possible sightings, I've heard Charles Lechmere is rather close (at that age) to the description of broad shoulders and another sighting I can't recall.
    Again, many thanks for the cool content

  • @thehangingparsiple5692
    @thehangingparsiple5692 День назад +1

    Apologies for my excitable and long-winded comments. Here's a short one:
    Fabulous video thank you. And love the animation. 👍

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад

      No need to apologise for long comments, I really enjoy reading them.

  • @thehangingparsiple5692
    @thehangingparsiple5692 День назад +3

    The full story behind the West Ham disappeances is a rather strange and creepy one - I really hope that you cover it some time!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
    @15:43 - the girl in the box could not have come to the 'fancy' shopkeeper in October, because when she was left at the sorting office in December, she had already been d-d several months!
    And Clara Sutton was found working for a gentleman somewhere else.
    I can't help feeling that morphine based medicine was administered in a last ditch effort to try and save her, because it was such a very small quantity, and her liver showed no signs of damage from continuous dosing.
    But they seem to have concealed her somewhere warm and dry; it sounded as if the remains were almost mummified, and she had been compressed, so likely in the same box too.
    I cannot imagine someone who conceals a body for several months suddenly deciding to attract the maximum amount of attention possible to it by posting it.
    So maybe young 'Mr Smith' discovered the remains, already packaged, and was dared, or thought it might be amusing, to post them to some random address.
    He was pretty bold and cavalier in the sorting office, and while he made a half hearted effort by withholding his name, didn't seem remotely bothered about being inconspicuous, especially dressed as he was. And for sure the second man was involved, for he never came forward.
    Even with only the tiniest chance of being recognised, he would have shown anxiety and signs of discomfort had he been guilty of the girl's dth or connected to her in some way. People have done worse things.😢
    Such an awful thing to happen.
    R.I.P. you poor girl (I feel like we really should give her a name) 🙏❤️

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад

      I'm looking into the West Ham vanishings. The Amelia Jeffs case was one I covered in a blog, and the house where her body was found in the loft still exists, although it was sold last year. I would love to do the story, but the problem is the house has occupants who might not be aware of what happened when it was newly built!

    • @thehangingparsiple5692
      @thehangingparsiple5692 20 часов назад +1

      ​@@JackTheRipperTours
      There's a very detailed and marvelous article about it on the JTR website (makes your eyes go funny though because it's whte print on blk background!). They have a photo of the house.
      I went past it a few months ago on a visit to West Ham. Very strange and sad feeling. I stopped outside only for a couple of minutes, just in case the occupants called police!

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  15 часов назад

      That's my article! Funnily enough I originally had a photo of the house on the article. Two years ago though I was contacted by the owner. He was trying to sell the house, and the sales kept falling through. He thought it might be that whenever people typed in the address my article came up! So I took all references to the actual house out of the article.

  • @JerseyTarotTrend
    @JerseyTarotTrend 16 часов назад +2

    The father did it, along with the aunt. I read tarot cards on this case, using the "Madhouse" deck. The girl was definitely isolated (Image showed someone in a straitjacket, alone in a room, shadowy hands reaching for her from the walls) as well as the family card, 10 of Cups, with the image of an inmate in a bed, a man offering a red rose to a spirit child floating above him. It's odd they believed the father and never reported, in the case or inquiry, if they ever found his daughter staying with her aunt, where she was sent so she wouldn't run away again (from his beatings)

  • @shamudogsmith1751
    @shamudogsmith1751 День назад +1

    Excellent, as always. Thank you.

  • @mirandagoldstine8548
    @mirandagoldstine8548 День назад +2

    Based on my knowledge of crimes involving children I would assume a family member was involved in her demise. In cases with deceased children it’s usually turns out to be a family member who caused the child’s passing. This is assuming it was a case of premeditated actions and not something caused by disease.

  • @guitaoist
    @guitaoist День назад +2

    Who else thought it was creepy that they mentioned Abbey Road

  • @JohnGordon-g3l
    @JohnGordon-g3l День назад +4

    its an interesting story, I mean its crazy to bring the box and have it sent to an address where there person didn't live there or ever did. if the person who sent the box found what was inside maybe he got scared and tried to get rid of it so he wouldn't be blame for any wrong doing. but if that was the case why not go to the police of the time and explain the story maybe they would have ask how he came by it. but we will never now its a 141 year old unsolved case. but thanks for sharing always enjoyed your videos

  • @TheGaslightArchives
    @TheGaslightArchives День назад +2

    This is an interesting case

  • @lauraholmes2402
    @lauraholmes2402 День назад +3

    Poor girl. What a horrible thing to happen.

  • @Toototabon.Toototabon
    @Toototabon.Toototabon 19 часов назад +1

    What a devastating story

  • @anthonysheppard9247
    @anthonysheppard9247 День назад +5

    Sad story,impossible to say what happened to the poor girl,i reckon the address the box was sent to ,was seen by the well dressed man ,and just used ,the name green ,was popular so he added that ,,all these years later and nothing is revealed about the incideht ,tragic ❤

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +1

      A very sad and tragic story, Anthony.

    • @davidlloyd7597
      @davidlloyd7597 22 часа назад

      I think it likely he pulled a street number out of his hat and it was just luck that it actually existed.

    • @veronicaclarke7499
      @veronicaclarke7499 19 часов назад

      I agree, random name, random address, he drops it off and disappears. It certainly worked. Poor little kid, God rest her soul.

  • @zero_bs_tolerance8646
    @zero_bs_tolerance8646 День назад +1

    Poor child.

  • @antonkovalenko364
    @antonkovalenko364 Час назад

    10:05 Are we just going to ignore the poor dude who dumped his dolly when he attempted a move to the sidewalk like it never happened? 😂😂

  • @Toototabon.Toototabon
    @Toototabon.Toototabon 19 часов назад

    I can’t get past the fact that the parcel was addressed to a ‘Miss Green’ , and to an address where a Miss Green had actually resided. It’s even ‘MISS Green’ in both cases. The servant girl Miss Green had left the employ of that address many years before. This is perfect timing for her to have had a child. She may have had her child taken from her by some monstrous man who had gotten her pregnant, and she may even have lived as some awful slave of his her entire life-who is to say ? And when she has died (or been killed because he is done with her) he has purposefully sent the child to the address where her mother used to live. Oooh ! -Or- Just hit me- The man who lived at the address, may actually have fathered the child if his servant and then banished her-(like that’s never happened)- and the man who sent the box has sent back his child to him as a taunt of some sort. The box being addressed to’Miss Green’, and there having been a Miss Green there, who has been gone from there long enough to indeed be a mother to a child that age -is too uncanny for me to pass by

  • @alandeakin2887
    @alandeakin2887 День назад +5

    I believe it was the new old hag the widower shacked up with and she was totally responsible out of jelously over the little girl ,my heart aches 😔😧

  • @paulanthony5274
    @paulanthony5274 День назад +3

    Thanks Richard!

  • @beverlyb1160
    @beverlyb1160 День назад +3

    In common with many of these cases the 'remains' were often buried.
    Where does the Law stand now in terms of exhuming these remains for DNA analysis?

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +1

      The law makes an exhumation a huge problem. A lot of common graves have since been reused several times and you would have to get permission from the descendants of all these. There was no press record of her burial. It was due to take place on the Saturday after the first day of the inquest, but it was postponed.

    • @beverlyb1160
      @beverlyb1160 День назад +1

      @JackTheRipperTours Thank you for responding.
      Yes, I did think of the reuse of common 'mass' graves and the disturbance of the remains of others in the process ( my own great grandmother is buried in such a one in East London). I suspect this is the main barrier to identification via DNA.

  • @sharonletchford9375
    @sharonletchford9375 6 часов назад

    I love this channel as it takes us back to the times how the ppl looked, talked etc i enjoyed being tKen back in time aith all the drugs mentioned morphia( I've ❤❤❤ never heard it being called that before.

  • @Phillip-tw1yh
    @Phillip-tw1yh 8 часов назад

    Neglect is all around & humanity is often, incredible? 😮

  • @MinaOmega
    @MinaOmega 6 часов назад

    I've never heard this one before. That's very hard for me to come across. It was terrifying, but very fitting for the time and age. Very sad. It's terrifying that a whole half of the population has always been thought to be less important, less human, than the other half. The crimes and indignities that women were put through for all of our existence is terrifying. And it should be nothing less than terrifying to everybody.

  • @amb163
    @amb163 10 часов назад

    What an awful fate for anyone, let alone a child. My guess is that since long-term deprivation (poverty) would cause many other health issues like tooth decay, which weren't apparent in this case, the starvation was a relatively recent situation. A nefarious situation. I can't help but think of Blanche Monnier's tragic story -- maybe someone in her family didn't like what the young girl was getting up to, and locked her up. She slowly starved after a few months and then the perpetrator, realizing how bad the situation was, gave her the morphine to put her "out of her misery." No idea if that's even close to what happened, but it could be a possibility?

  • @Toototabon.Toototabon
    @Toototabon.Toototabon 19 часов назад

    Are there any records of where the little one was laid to rest ?

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  19 часов назад

      I can't find any record of the burial. The burial was meant to happen on the following Saturday after the first day of the inquest, but it was postponed when they wanted to take a cast of her teeth. After that there are no mentions of her burial. I presume it would have been the City of London Cemetery in a common grave, but that is just me guessing.

  • @donofarrel
    @donofarrel День назад

    Crammed into a box? Murder by person or persons unknown.

  • @tonibarrone854
    @tonibarrone854 День назад +3

    I think her old man did it.

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +2

      He was certainly suspicious, if, indeed, he was her old man?

  • @Theresawinner
    @Theresawinner 6 часов назад

    The fact that the poor girl was in a box instead of simply openly bearing her by the people who had custody of her indicates foul play to me. someone took steps to hide her death
    i believe she was starved intentionally by her father that is my guess in punishment for trying to run away fom him and his beatings but i guess we will never know
    whoever it was they got away with their crime
    my she rest in peace

  • @jonglewongle3438
    @jonglewongle3438 8 часов назад

    Final coronial verdict: There was a girl found in a box and she was since deceased when found.

  • @veronicaelsegood5175
    @veronicaelsegood5175 День назад

    The girl was problematic. for the father
    I suspect death by midsadventure and the father tried to conceal the death to save himself

  • @missingepisodespodcast
    @missingepisodespodcast 13 часов назад

    Fantastic video. Really well written. But please reconsider the AI: it’s extremely distracting and your own narration is far better.

  • @lisapinfold506
    @lisapinfold506 19 часов назад

    This case is dam annoying.... Just goes around in circles,😞

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  19 часов назад

      Most cases do, Lisa. It's only on TV fiction they get solved in 40 or so minutes!

  • @KimberlyPatton-x1n
    @KimberlyPatton-x1n 9 часов назад

    I think she was held and locked away,starved to death by her abusive controlling alcoholic father.He refused to allow her to leave out of fear of being discovered.Poor child.This seems the basic explanation.He may have overdosed her to speed up her death and then dispised of her.

  • @user-fh4tm6vw6y
    @user-fh4tm6vw6y 2 часа назад

    Situation ?

  • @yvehooson9262
    @yvehooson9262 День назад +2

    Love the channel but hate the AI, very jarring

    • @JackTheRipperTours
      @JackTheRipperTours  День назад +3

      Pleased you like the channel. The AI gives me a chance to bring more stories to life. I spent almost 2 weeks trying to find images of Dr. Yarrow - who went on to become the local coroner, and of Sir John Humphries, but I could find none. I use the AI sparingly to restrict the amount of on screen text I use.

    • @thehangingparsiple5692
      @thehangingparsiple5692 20 часов назад

      ​@@JackTheRipperTours
      I thought the husband of the lady at Abbey Road rather attractive! 😂

  • @davekeating.
    @davekeating. 14 часов назад

    Charles Lechmere, anyone? 😀