4 Reasons Why The VR6 Engine Is Dying Off
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Volkswagen's VR6 engine is seeing less implementation as the years go on. No longer used in the VW Golf, Jetta, Beetle, Corrado, Sharan, Phaeton, Eos, Audi A3, & Audi TT, and many others, it's kept alive in the VW brand by only the Touareg, Passat, and Atlas. What's the replacement? Mostly a 2.0L turbocharged inline four cylinder. Why? Well, there are a lot of benefits. In this video we'll discuss torque, power, weight, size, efficiency, consolidation, and the many advantages an inline-turbo four cylinder has to dethrone the eclectic VR6.
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In the U.K. and Europe, nearly all engines are 4cyl turbos. They are the beige of the engine world. It's nice to hear and feel a different kind of power plant.
America got the 8 valve 4 cylinder engines with 88 horsepower, and a top speed of 100 mph in most of their small cars for many years. Only recently in the last 10 years have there been a lot of good 4 cylinder cars with turbochargers from the factory in America. Nobody ever wanted an 8 valve low revving 105 hp 4 cylinder engine in a Celica or a 12 valve 92 hp engine in a Tercel, but that's what American's got in the 1980's and 1990's. Just God awful truck engines in small cars with very poor handling. Oh and our trucks had 3 speed transmissions until the late 1980's, so for 50 years we had trucks that turned 3500 RPMS @ 60 MPH with a giant V8 engine sucking gallons of fuel per second.
@@Ritalie 2 valve and 3 valve
You're not supposed to combine the number of valves into a total.
Nowadays 3 cylinder turbos.. agghhh.. 😀
@@xavierrodriguez2463 Only counting a single cylinder's valves is an American thing.
@@EmyrDerfel I was confused about this lmao. Never heard someone count by cylinder until now.
This video should have been called "why medium displacement NA engines are being replaced by smaller displacement turbo-charged engines"
Jeff Beasley THIS lol
truth
Indrid Cold just look at Toyota's careful approach to the downsizing trend. Well, even though in some countries there is that 4-cyl turbocharged 1.2L available for the Corolla/Auris and the C-HR, it's still a more cautious move compared to Ford's usage of the 1.0L EcoBoost in the Euro equivalent to the Fusion. Plus in Russia and other CIS countries the Lexus NX had been available with a naturally-aspirated 2.0L engine along the 2.0L turbocharged (which is actually a different engine and not just a turbocharged version of the previous) and the 2.5L naturally-aspirated fitted to the hybrid versions.
Indrid Cold sounds like a subaru I might own🤔😅🤣
Indrid Cold that’s where your wrong. Small turbocharged engines have been popular in Europe for at least 15 years now. They don’t have many problems.
The vr6 sounds soooo heavenly though....
AMBush Drift ayy its ambush
I am right there with ya.
ayyyeeee AMBush drift! love your channel bro
Yeah there's two things that kill sound, turbochargers, and Inline-Four.
alan!!!
From a dude that loves the VR6, the new engines are so awesome.
Thanks for hanging Jason. Always fun times
Love working with ya Charles. Mostly it's the wicked beard, but you also have sweet props! ;)
Engineering Explained alls the props
I really liked this video and format, with someone who is really into a particular brand or technology talking about its features. I'd like to see more like it... @HumbleMechanic this vid would have been good without you... it was awesome with you, thanks for the time you put into making it happen.
Any possibility we can get a vid on what the engineering differences in the block are for a naturally aspirated engine vs. one designed for a turbo or supercharger?
I own a 2,9l VR6 with 190hp in the VW Corrado. For comparison I can cite the 1,4l 160 TSI in the Scirocco, and the 2,0 TSI 200hp in the Audi TT.
Both newer engines seem strong at first because of the low down torque/power, but when you rev them you are quickly disappointed, because they drop off already at 5500 rpm.
Next is the response. The VR6 kicks the newer engines' ass in that regard. I personally can't stand turbo lag.. totally unacceptable, controlling power during cornering and coming out of the corner is much harder.
Next is the sound.. okay, we don't even have to talk about that, do we? ;)
Nope, the new engines are not awesome. What would be awesome if VW used modern technology to tune the VR6 design for higher revs and higher power - I wouldn't mind buying a 2017 Corrado with a light 2,5l VR6 up front with a 120hp/l output, proper light weight design, proper suspension and diff, sticky tires etc that I could go hunt 911s with ;)
Why do we keep talking about fuel economy numbers that we get from the EPA? Their measuring does not accurately tell the fuel economy. You can't actually drive as the test is and hope to get the numbers.
So when is the EPA going to get fined and ruined for lying? VW did even though they were giving people want they want ( powerful cars and trucks that are economical).
vr6 sound
yup
Are you saying another reason it's dying off is because of the sound? or...
My 94 SLC VR6.....lost it to a head on collision 17years ago.. Still think about that sound and car itself till this day.
He's saying it sounds good.
screaming wookie!
What if - VR6 Turbo... For the next R
We can dream..
Rokas Bilevičius OMGGGGGG
I wish, but I dont think they will stray from the i4 in a R for a while
Rokas Bilevičius
I wish they would. VR6 has been around for roughly 25 years now. VW better not Discontinue this tried and true motor.
Concept is a concept, doubt that they will start putting 6cyl engines again. Even Porsche went to 4 cylinders
Then put forced induction on the VR6. Then do a comparison, forced induction will always look better that a natural aspirated power plant.
Bri Guy's Utoob :)
Yep but then it's even more space and even more weight. There are real benefits to an NA engine which VW probably likes about the VR6, but from an economy/torque perspective, the case really isn't there vs a turbo 4.
+HumbleMechanic hint hint, eh?
I heard there's supposedly a forced induction VR6 in development. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but I think they even had it on a concept car recently. 3 litre, I think? Smaller displacement for both better economy and space for the turbo, I'm guessing. I haven't heard anything recently though. I figured they'd release it with the Atlas, but I guess it's still being developed?
A company called TRD in the UK does a bolt on supercharger for the R32. It's a really neat unit with an inclusive lubrication that basically goes where the current air box is situated.
I owned a 3.2L VR6 for 10 years. Not the fastest or lightest or best MPG, but damn it sounded good (with an exhaust) and never gave me any problems.
Ryan Fagan Wookie noises!!!
i was a tool and deleted the resonator mid box, and the Wookie died...shame on me.
Ryan Fagan I still love that sound every time I drive
Ryan Fagan, the key note. It never gave me any problems!
R32 is the most cutest sound ever💓💓💓
"when I was a real engineer before I started doodling on white boards--" I love it lol
Having heard and accepted all of their points towards the benefits of switching to 4-cylinders, I still have to say that pretty much the only advantage I saw for a 4-cylinder is the weight reduction on the front axle. The power delivery and fuel economy points are not as important, because these guys forgot to discuss the reliability concerns that a (relatively) more stressed smaller engine entails.
I wish there was a company that would blueprint this engine. Cut a bunch of weight, make it more efficient in power.
Matt Greenland do you know any VR6 owners that would pay several grand for the privilege?
For sure, VW people are nutty.
DrewLSsix I would, eyes closed
I have a vr6
Why? Theres better engine designs out there....
nothing sounds like a vr6 with open exhaust
The VR6 is an awesome engine.
12 valve 2.8L VR6 + Turbocharging and forged internals = FUN!
24 valve is better though
I actually prefer the 2V version. And why would you ever put a super/turbocharger on a FWD VW? It can barely handle the output of a stock NA engine.
stoneeh What? If you're having trouble putting the power down an a stock gti you should find a new hobby.
David Perry If you have the funds and want to build a 700hp+ vr6 is the way to go. Had a 400hp vr6 with stock pistons and melted it. Changed to forged pistons stock crank and rods. Then changed to turbo instead of nitrous lot's of power. But if you're not planning on building a car with more than 300hp the 1.8t would be better.
With the 12V they are forged from factory, people have made up to 700HP from stock internals...
and my dumbass is over here building a turbo'd vr6 lolol
im build a 01 vr6 as well.
built block; IE connecting rods, JE pistons 9:1, bored to a 2.9L.
built transmission. with a Wavetrac LSD
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currently cheaped out on my turbo kit and went ebay. im going to be upgrading the manifold and turbo in a few months with a tubular top mount manifold and a 6766 precision turbo.
my goal is to hit 600+ with the precision, anything above 350 on the ebay i'll be happy.
yessir ! 2001 12v vr6 golf gti... i love it! actually getting everything installed next weekend. should be a blast!
Andd very nice man unfortunately I love in California and the smog is ridiculous. I wish I could turbo charge and build my car but it's alright. I want to get a r32. the older r32 like the 05 and such are beautiful but I do like the 3.6l r32. I forgot what year. but that's my dream car man
Spawn and Batman with the amount of money I've put into my vr6, I could have had an R32 and put some basic mods on it haha. But that's okay, it'll be a blast beating people in a fwd golf :)
Andd
how much boost can a vr handle? and how much power you expecting?
For me the VR6 feels alive and characterful. Whereas the 2.0 just feels like any other standard engine, even though, as you pointed out, it is objectively better.
AaronAnonymous yes exactly
AaronAnonymous how so, the new ea888 is punchy as hell.
As an mk7 gti owner I can tell you the engine feels very alive. Especially after a stage 1 tune.
That's why I said "objectively" the newer engine is better, i.e. more fuel efficient, faster, etc, yet it feel like an appliance compared to the living, breathing thing that is the VR6. Sure you can tune them and they are very very fast, yet it doesn't evoke the same emotional response. At least in my case. And I'm not just saying this, in my actual experience from owning a MKIV R32 and now a MK7, the R32 always made me smile and felt special even when going slow (which it was always slow lol).
Lol well I have never experienced the VR6 so I can't really compare, but I love my MK7 GTI. It never fails to put a smile on my face whether I'm on my morning commute to work or just cruising around.
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HumbleMechanic no, thank you for knowing an amazing vehicle when you see one!
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my dad owns a 2000' vr6 4wd golf, would never change it :)
so....an r32?
Andrew Testa nope, its the 2.8L
madremia willy nice I'd like that
there has never been a 4wd golf. the r32 is awd. Gti vr6 is fwd
OuTDARed, No actually in Europe you could get 4 motion with the 2.8. I used to think the same but I was wrong. The problem is though that its not tuned for performance and usually the suspension is softer on the 4 motions so it's not worth it most of the time.
Vr6 will never die you ego trippin for that one fam.
Vr6 is an incredible engine.
I've had my awesome '03 GTI VR6 for 18 years now... original owner. I purchased the car in October 2002, and it has been, by far, the most reliable car I or my family has EVER owned! As a daily driver, it has had NO mechanical issues or problems. I just put full synthetic in it once a year, and use Shell Premium fuel. I have 105,000 miles on it, original chains too. This car is a TANK! Always puts a smile on my face! Probably the most reliable car VW has ever released. In addition, I have never changed the manual transmission fluid (VW recommends never changing this fluid for the lifetime of the vehicle)! It still shifts like new!
When you turbocharge an engine it has a shorter service life. I’d take a VR6 any day over a turbo 4.
Of course i agree who needs more power for f sakes top hiway speed is 100km.i own a 91 passat with a 1.9l td 80hp. Its good enough for me.
gulfy09, I agree completely. Even an MGB GT “needs” no more than 200bhp. Hang either an 5 or 6 speed gearbox behind the engine with a modified Jaguar IRS and you have a world class coupe! A twin cam engine with 2 liters displacement and 2 Webber 40 IDA’s and it’d be perfection.
I love a straight six (Or slant six) and I have to admit, a lot of that has to do with the way they sound. The VR6 is kind of a next best thing, but it's personal preference. I haven't tried the new turbo engines, because I hate how big and heavy the Golf has become.
I have customers with 430 thousand miles on the pd engines, 20v T at 330, look after any engine it will look after you
Just turbo a VR6 🙂
Alvin Ameyaw At HUGE cost.
And, it would go in a what? Truck or Van from VW would be diesel. So, that leaves sports cars ...... the engine rev potential? Weight of block? How much torque/hp until the block or other components breaks? Does it retain drivable characteristics? Then, fuel economy. I will bet you Audi/VW investigated this and decided it was easier to start over and too few would get excited enough about this engine in a car. I mean it would be replacing a V8 (V8 > VR6 for sound). But, these guys are forgetting something. The W12 engines are almost two of these smashed together (piston layout wise).
the ATLAS in china is called TERAMONT and comes with turbocharged VR6 2.5L 299BHP
The ford ecoboost f-150 has a twin turbo V6. The raptor uses the same engine.
It's really not that expensive to boost a VR and have both reliability and power on stock internals. Split head gasket, copper spacer , bearings, good turbine , the right pipes lines and tune and you're not gonna exceed 2500 to 3 k for the total cost if you do it yourself and know how to do it right
The vr6 is not dying. Vw are coming up with 2.5L vr6 turbo engines
Don't you mean inline 5?
@@angelicolagi nope. They have both but i read some news on the coming 2.5L vr6. Im sure if you google it you will find it.
@@hendrikhanso makes no sense to me i have a 2.5L vr6 in a 06 jetta (mk4)
@@burningblackknight8237 no you dont. The only 2.5L vr is a vr5
@@hendrikhanso allright ima go check rn then i think it might be a 2.0L then cause i know its a vr6
Imagine if vw came out with a W12 atlas!! 🤤
Hasn't the Bentley got a W12 engine, which I think is 2 VR6 engines glued together?
I had a new'95 Jetta VR6 back in the day. I'm a car geek, but never actually realized until recently that the VR6 only has one head. They cover engines up with so much plastic you can't see a darn thing unless you dig into them. Yes, that is REALLY narrow! Cool design.
Still have a 1992 Corrado SLC from the first shipment off the boat from Germany. No rpm limiter. 6500 red line. It was just fully restored and only has 56k miles. Still pulls like a champ.
Jealous!
(off topic) I don't see why y'all hate on VW, the Dodgy american brands (see what I did) are probably much worse at emissions if compared in the same ways as the VWs.
FCA is also pending litigation with regard to defeat devices. VW gets crap because they intentionally cheated the system, and lied to customers. There's never going to be a time where that's okay. They could have also acted much more quickly in the best interest of their customers who did indeed by their diesel products once the scandal broke.
For some reason my comment wasn't posted as a reply to someone else (but ty for replying!)
From the coverage here in the UK, VW didn't intentionally cheat the system, some of the engineers at VW cheated the system without telling the big bosses, I know that counts as VW, but yeah the big guys didn't do it on purpose from what I've heard.
I still think Diesel won't die just yet though, once we get more affordable Electric cars with more range, then diesel will die for the General Public.
(Big fan of Tesla here lol)
big love
Engineering Explained which is a shame since diesel cars seem to be few and far between these days. unless you want a pick up truck
Engineering Explained Maybe you can answer this question for me. Are diesel motors more expensive than gasoline engines? Example, a 2.0l turbo diesel vs. a 2.4L 4cyl. The reason why I ask this question because the diesel version of cars are always more expensive than the gasoline version of the same model.
They just last longer, therefore, it is more valuable and the maintenance cost for diesel is skyrocketing. With maintenance costs increasing, it takes longer to see the lower cost benefits of a diesel. Its a shame vw is killing the diesel line, i was looking forward to the Amarok with a diesel.
I love my 3.6L VR6 CC it's rare.. I'm always standing out with all the 2.0T CC's
Yeah I drove a 3.6 passat for 6 years and loved it but the car was falling apart and I had to get rid of it
CC are nice motor's. I prefer them over a Passat.
Dude that’s my fav VW!! I’m saving for a 2016 CC VR6 currently! Those are super rare & nice! It’ll be my fourth VW
Glad to see you profile this unique engine. My '94 Corrado VR6, which I owned from new for 12 wonderful years, was arguably the best application of this engine. It had a wonderful power delivery and an even better sound, and to think that Ferdinand Piëch wanted to kill it when he became CEO of the VW group, since it was a direct internal competitor to the same displacement V6 that he oversaw while at audi. Ironically, he captilized on this very same architecture for a number of subsequent engines, the crown prince being the Bugatti Veyron/Chiron!
The turbo also heats the cat exhaust quicker to optimal performance. Europeans didn't buy v6 for standard cars which vw sells. Turbo tech has improved so much. AUDI kept its V5 and is still getting great figures from it
Wow America still gets the VR6 in 2017!? The last time we were offered it in the UK was around 2009/10!!
I can see why VW wants to unify everything down to the bare minimum. So why aren't VAG cars cheaper than all their competitors that don't benefit from the same economies of scale as VAG?
VW designed a new VR6 for the Chinese Teramont, which is a 2.5 VR6 with a turbocharger.
The VR6 can perform just as well as the turbo 4 with changes to design of cam, intake, exhaust, cam, and ECU tune. The gti vr6 was designed for higher rpm performance to give a more exciting driving experience.
Personally I think the VR6 and W8-16 is a better way to get more displacement and cylinders in a smaller space. Not to mention you have less complicated system over turbo/supercharging and less stress on the engine.
The Bentley W12 and the Bugatti W16 are VR6 engines too.
Drive a Corrado VR6 myself. 2.9l 12v. Love the sound, and the power is enough for the car. Yes, it might be slower than a 1.8T for example.. but the 1.8t with similair power is way more boring to drive. (N/a requires you to work the gearbox a bit more)
What I heard is that the only problem with the VR6 is more of them aren't turbocharged from the factory.
Fun fact: the B5 Passat had a 90-degree V6, not a VR6, due to the longitudinal layout shared with the same model year Audi A4, but it had the same displacement as the 2.8 VR6.
I've come across quite a few mk4 diesels, not completely dead. They're surprisingly desirable to be quite honest, my mk4 Jetta is. 1.8turbo and I'd much rather have a diesel.
Peepmysneaks ALH tdi is king. I popped my head gasket in my ‘01 a couple years ago at 300k and drove it for another 75k. Ran perfectly. Original clutch. 45-50mpg. If only I had enough coin at the time I’d have done the head and it would be pushing 400k rn. Currently driving a ‘96 1z tdi passat wagon and I’m very happy with it. Hopefully ill source an engine for the golf and get it back on the roads soon though.
I got A '92 golf 3 VR6 from my grand-pa since 1 year. i can't drive any other car... but i miss it, i got an issue with the liquid cooler circuit during hot days last week... she's at the garage and must have the heart open... :( days are very long without her ... but i got big project on it !
Vr6 or die
TheSengga you dissin I5 and wankels? u wot m8
Great video. Good combination of instructors, could not be a better combo. Good job guys.😃
i just pulled my '98 Mk3 Jetta VR6 out of storage today (hadn't driven it since 2013, only has 100k miles).... and oh my... the thing sounds so heavenly. its hard to imagine any cars that sound better than a 12v VR6. Buttery smooth as well.
Pity that alot of new VW folks won't get to experience it.
rvborgh very true I have a 98 VR6 Jetta GLX with a S- trim supercharger at 8psi with some other goodies that allow me to do 11.8 to 12.0 in a quarter mile
I love my power wagon
I have a Mk4 24v VR6 but im tempted to buy a Mk3 Jetta VR6 maybe next year.
Or you can not care about any of that mumbo jumbo, go green garbage, and slap a bigger turbo on a VR, play with it, and have the most thrilling driving experience ever!🤣🤣🤣
I love the vr6 engines! They sound really good with a borla muffler! I had a good experience driving my cousins supercharged and nitrous vr6 corrado with a stock motor. But I love the old 16v engines vw used to make too!
Agreed MK4 VR6 is great.. but didn't they have a huge weight balance issue?
I have a 2000 eurovan MV with a vr6 that only has 90,000 miles and love it. It gets 22 mpg on the highway.
2002 Eurovan with 240,000 miles, transmission is about to fall out. I'm considering a 2006 Touareg with 3.2L VR6. The V8 and 3.0L TDI options are much more torque for towing 7700 lbs, but they can't match my satisfaction with the VR6 reliabilty.
It seems that smaller turbo engines tend to not last as long as a slightly bigger naturally aspirated engine. I've gotten to the point that I like 2.4l in compact cars. Get better mileage on the highway and much less maintenance. As of now I refrain from buying turbo and direct injection as both are costly to maintain. If we're to buy a vw today I'd try to get one with 2.5l 5 cylinder engine
I feel that this also applies to v6s in general. Many manufacturers are ditching their v6s in favor of a I4 Turbo. It's sad to watch, yet there are many good reason to make the switch.
Ive got a 3.2 and a 3.6 partly because of that sound. Im not ready to give up petrol yet. Just let me have a few more years....
I have a VR5 engine in my 2003 SEAT V5. In some ways a VR6 engine with a cylinder lopped off. Two notable characteristics - sounds lovely AND seems to have a very consistent level of torque. Pulls strongly from way down. Will pull happily in 5th gear at 30mph. But nice to rev too - lovely sophisticated sound.
Something you didn't mention in the video when comparing the 2 you also have to remember the 2.0T and most turbo'd 4cyls in general use higher octane fuel. The VR6 runs on "normal" cheaper 87 octane. So the operating cost evens out a bit even though the VR6 gets a few MPG worse than the 2.0T it also runs on cheaper fuel.
Sometimes true, but in this case both the '05 and '06 engines I spoke of required premium (VR6 and I4). For VW's modern engines, you can use regular in both.
Engineering Explained Didn't know the newer ones required premium, guess I was only thinking of Humble Mechanic's mk3 generation VR6. Thanks for the reply!
Tyler Walters actually the newest gen 4cyl turbos use 87 not premium
I love my 12v VR6. The pops, gurgles, torque, feels. VW love/powa
powa? LOL it can barely spin on loose gravel
LOL okay man no need for the ignorant comment
yeah exactly refrain from commenting next time. happy you got it by yourself, have an excellent day
wow the internet must really have you in a bind today. what do you drive again?
You haven't driven a vr. They spin through second. Turbo 1-5. Honda drivers.....
Love my R36 engine, a turbo on it would make it fantastic but would never choose a four banger over a VR6.
The first two reasons you mentioned applies to pretty much all naturally aspirated engines. More torque at low RPMs always helps since it reduces the amount of revving you need to do to accelerate and maintain speed.
Since tuning was brought up in the video, I wonder if car engines will follow the way of large commercial jet engines in the future. Jet engines are always produced with many ratings. To increase thrust, you just switch the rating plug to a plug with higher performance numbers.
Jason, you and your infinite wisdom.......VR6 is still in production as of this time.
I like this dialogue format. Keep up this great work!
One major advantage of the VR6 over the I4 is the soundtrack...
Isn’t the Bentley V12 just 2 of those joined together in one casting?
He’s got spirit
I average about 28 in my 6MT MKV. Due to the reliability issues I've had with the 2.0 FSI, I wish I would've went with a VR6 MKIV instead. VW should've added boost to the VR6.
Great collaboration!! Love your work, together and independently - thanks for doing what you do
DigitalJeremy thanks so much
vr6 isn't dying, the na version is, the vr6 is getting turbod from the factory, the Chinese altas(terramont) has a brand new 2.5 vr6 turbo(300hp 370lbft made in Germany), much more of an upgrade compared to the US spec altas(3.6 NA 280hp 270lbft). China is usually where vw tests their engines before they are sold to the RoW(such as the 1.8tsi and 1.4tsi). So i'm expecting to see the 2.5 vrt making its way to many vws that demand higher output which typically requires NA v8 power, potentially new touareg and arteon.
Saving space give engineers flexibility, but does it give them reach? ;-)
Turbo charged engines have also disadvantages: slow response times, emissions are worse (except CO2), more maintenance, less efficiency in mpg when driving hard ...
But nowadays the 4 cylinder is also dead. Turbo charged 3 cylinders with 0.9l ... And in near future only electric cars ...
cachememory yup, I was in Germany 2 years ago driving on the autobahn in a ford focus with a turbo 1.6 or 4 gas i believe. I could almost see the gas gauge move before my eyes trying to keep up with bmw, vw, and mb, cars with their diesel engines, no luck.
Reason to buy VR6 is a freaking sound and unique design
The GTR r35 use a vr6
The only Beetle I know of that has a VR6 is the racey RSI model, of which I don't think we get in America.
building up a vr6 to put back into the ugliest golf vw made? c'mon.. stick it into a mk2 or mk1 at least. only good thing about mk3's is the vr6 engine, that's why you don't see any around, everybody took their engines.
Nick Nack I already did the mk1 vr6 thing.
This engine is going back to its original home. ;)
Alright that's fair enough then. sorry, don't know who you are just assumed. good on you.
i have a 98 mk3 gti vr6 with a intake and im the only one that has it in my city and it has about 127k miles on it and i never took it out during winter and of course i baby it all the time
I don't understand something. Why can't a VR6 engine be combined with turbos for a lot of applications other than the Veyron? I thought it would have been ideal, a large, compact engine with just one bank of valves and all the exhaust ports on one side with turbos. If it's good enough for the Veyron surely it's good enough for lesser models.
nice vid like always! can you do one commenting on all the manufacturers using smaller engines? I know this is a trend dating to the muscle car era (V8 to V6, V6 to 4 cylinder in top level trims) is this good or bad having so much power in fewer cylinder smaller displacement engines?
Just add a turbo or supercharger to the VR6 engine ad you'll all your issues salved?
I need to swap this in my TT (;
Gabriel1996 Didn't some tt come with a 3.2 vr6? or was it just a 3.2 v6.
Elijah Chu yup they did but they're really to come by nowadays. They are Pretty rare actually lol
Most drivers do not understand that a turbo increases stress in the engine. This means shorter lifetime.
Moreover a turbo is another thing to repair or replace.
Modern 6- and 8-cylinder engines commonly use cylinder deactivation when full power is not needed.
When cylinders are deactivated, the engine has effectively a smaller displacement.
yep make the consumer pay for the environment while the companies just make more profit.
I appreciate the enthusiasm the humble mechanic has of VW cars, but in my country, VW cars are crappy as hell. In Dominican Republic they are well known for being one of the most unreliable, expensive-to-repair and devalued cars in the market.
every car that go there turn into a pile of crap in 3 months. the problems are not the cars, but the way people use and ''''''''''''''''''''''''maintain''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' them
David Levy Pérez North America too don't worry
I never liked working on small cars with a V6 stuffed in them. Many never get the rear plugs changed. With 4cyl power being so well developed, goodbye V6.
I love the VW - bashing, when Coalrolling is considered something like a sport in the USA.
Coal rollers are braindead
2.0t is very efficient but that plastic intake manifold drove me nuts! You could never beat the reliability of a VR6 though. Dare I say it... that VR6 exhaust note FTW!
How is the VR6 a dying breed when the only company that makes them is still using them in quite a few vehicles they sell? Didn't think that one through..
suzuki400boi they no longer use it in enthusiast vehicles and the remaining vehicles that use it are on old platforms and not destined to have vr6 post upgrade
Wrong, the Arteon R will have a Turbo Vr6 and word is the next R32 will also utilize that same turbo VR6. That motor is far from dead.
suzuki400boi share a link please!
@@FastPaull because 'muricans said so xD They even think the TDI is dead.
What about when they turbo charge VR6. Getting awesome reliable power (400 - 740 hp depending on the engine and turbo used) and way more than any inline turboed 4.
A turbo VR4, hmmm?
Frederik Krabbe maybe a double vr4 so like two vr4s mounted in a V8 configuration and the ideas go on haha
I am aware of V4's have been made, and it wasn't a completely serious comment, as I doubt it would be very effective.
Richard Hunter i saw one of those 2 months ago! i had to check if it was a troll or if it really existed xDD
But I4 also needs balancing(balance shaft), so is VR4 even less balanced?
SI0AX Honda makes a v4 bike motor that's beautifully smooth.
So what your saying is: twin turbo your VR6.
"When I used to be a real engineer before just doodling on whiteboard" That's when the humble mechanic new that they could no longer be friends.
On a serious note, great video and great topic. We might grab the VR6 Atlas and I'll definitely tune and turbo it if the room allows.
Bambataa thanks. It has plenty of turbo room. It was clearly designed with a TDI option in mind
You are welcome. I wish they never killed the TDI here in North America. We are taking our 2014 Jetta TDI for a buyback and I can't find any 2015 TDIs, but we need a bigger vehicle and the Atlas with the VR6 is top of the list.
Id love to get ahold of a few of those parked tdi's , known by the state of cancer to cause california
In Europe the VR6 cannot be found in any new car,. But soooooo many diesels :D
derherberter that's gonna be a really bad idea.. so many cars are diesels it's impossible to replace the in a second.. every rental, company car, police car, ambulance and so many "normal" cars are diesels.. not talking about trucks and busses
what about the golf vr6, dan? and many more? go to europe to get some culture. and knowledge. or education.
I love my Brazilian made '03 24V VR6 in my MK4 GTI! It's smooth, fairly torquey, is a joy to drive, and it's been very reliable. I've had my car (original owner) for 15 years (this September), with only 81,000 miles on it. I basically only take it out for short drives locally, and once a year for a 1,100 mile highway round trip to go visit my mom. It is garaged, and looks like it's in 'like new' condition. The dealership puts in their Castrol synthetic oil once a year (sometimes I let it go 15 months, since I don't put that many miles on it), but I have never changed the transmission oil in the 6-speed manual tranny. Plugs were just changed recently (I think for the first time). Is there anything else I need to pay attention to so I can have this engine another 15 years? Thanks!
1:03 I was wondering where the whiteboard was gone. Answered
Had the 12v in my 01' jetta long ago. Wish I had the money to make it an R model but some day, some day...
Yet 4 cylinders sound like a weedwacker
What amazing weed whacker do you own!?
Well, certainly they do not sound good, otherwise they would not amplify and fake the sound inside the cabin through the speakers ...
Engineering Explained '15 s3
Engineering Explained I4s could sound alot better than they do. Listen to the newer Yamaha R1.
"Sorry, I can't hear you over my Boxer Rumble!" #Flat4HorizontallyOpposedEngine
Not all 4-cylinders sound like weed whackers...
I own a 96 Isuzu Rodeo 3.2L V6 engine-darn thing has 442,000 miles-seems problems are gaskets/seals leak-car runs fine. I think the Japanese have done excellent job of designing/building engines-they give the Germans a run for the money...
When are we going to see you on Top Gear?
Turbocharged VR6 is one of the most amazing things in automotive
If a vr6 had advantages, then why not use a vr4 vs a straight 4?
Daniel M. Ramos kinda what I was thinking
Daniel M. Ramos There's no reason for a VR4 that takes up similar space as a turbo inline 4. The VR6 had beneficial packaging vs a traditional V6, because it's much narrower and you had a lower part count with only one cylinder head and valvetrain instead of 2 on a V6.
I owned a 2000 jetta vr6 for 9 years and never had so much fun---right up until the timing chain tensioners failed
and blew the engine. almost all of the fail between 140 to 165 thousand miles Get the whole timing chain train
replaced if you are near those mileage readings. Costs about $2500.
I've had my 2003 GTI VR6 (24v with the improved timing chains) for 18 years now, original owner. Bought the car new in October 2002, and it has been the most reliable car i've ever owned! Even more reliable than any Honda, Subaru, or Toyota my family has had over the years! No engine issues whatsoever all this time, and i'm at 105,000 miles. I wonder how many miles I can expect before the chains go on this 24 valve version VR6. I've heard the chain guides were designed to last much longer than the 12v VR6.
VW powwwaa
I will never sell my MK4 R32 (3.2l VR). Most enjoyable investment I've ever made.
why not putting a turbo on a vr6!?
also vr6 sound os amazingg!
Maxi Biscardi cost
there a lots of vr6 turbos out there m8 :D
Not many people are willing to mostly BCS many consider stupidly that VW sucks
Here in Europe volkswagen hasnt been putting VR6 engines in their new models for ages, im sure for at least 8 years.
Until the Atlas, it was the Touareg, and only the very highline Passats/CC.
rule number 4 isn't relevant for VWs. most of their engines suck especially the tfsi versions. the pistonsgaskets are a little too small so in colder climates(northern europe), the gaskets don't seal properly and most of the engines break after only 60 or 80 thousand miles(about 100 to 120 thousand kilometers). The problem is so bad that all vw dealers in Denmark have mechanics whose only job is to change engines, even the smaller dealers who only have 10 or 15 people working there.
anermand I've never had that problem lol. 198k miles, 13 years in Michigan (a state infamous for cold weather), and my 1.8T is fine.. I recently took it on a 500 mile trip
Heartagram the good old 1.8 turbo engines were amazing! their were built great, but their werent tfsi either... that was only implemented in engines after 2005 in their 1.4 engines and in 2008 ish in their 1.8 and 2.0 engines. these engines are the shitty ones...
anermand VW, a brand based in Germany, where in winter it gets, depending on location, as cold as Denmark, makes cars that are not good for cold weather?
TheEpicSpaniardRS Apparently we only have the problem north of berlin. As soon as you're south of there the engines last fine. pretty much the same story for rust as vw also use slightly cheaper metal in their cheaper cars. well... all german cars do that maybe except for BMWs... they still have higher grade iron and aluminum in all of their cars... for now...
anermand This only affects longitudinal engines on a4, a5 etc. There are many tfsi engines. Not all are the same. The latest gen3 is great.
I had a 2003 gti vr6 24v. Man I miss that car. owned if for 7 years. It sounded soooo good and it was so reliable.
I've had the exact same car for 18 years now, with 105,000 miles. No mechanical issues whatsoever. I mean none! I cannot believe how reliable this tank is! I'm shocked!
To me VR6 is overly complicated for the benefits it offers. V6 or turboed I4 will be sufficient in most cases and often easier to repair and more reliable.
Three things no one mentions: small newer turbo engines have HORRIBLE refinement... every time you let go or apply throttle (on my golf tsi 1.8t) the whole car shakes, feels cheap.... never had it in 6 cyl engine... also, if you are not on the throttle at 1500 and you kick it there is long delay. And since i drive manual i love to brake with the engine, which you cannot do with 4 cyl... (it takes 6000rpm to actually brake)...
diesel electric please
Low end torque of a diesel with the torque of a electric motor. There's a reason why they're rare. Gas is better because you can cruise and get good mileage and the electric can accelerate you from a stop.
Electric has no soul though.
James Smith yes, like gasoline engine.
Steam power FTW.
The VW X1 is diesel electric.
Germany making U-Boats again???
And if you would slap a turbo on a vr6 you could get more power out of it then a 2L inline 4.