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When I tell you this was one of the few movies I’ve seen in theaters where when it ended the audience just stayed for like a solid minute just in silence……..that was just bliss.
Yeah... the atmosphere in the theatre after the movie ended was really tense, everyone just felt so heavy about the thought of that chain reaction. Almost noone talked even on the way out, just slowly walking out of the room with a head full of thoughts. And I had the privilige of seeing it in 70mm IMAX, it was just so immersive.
@@max2themax I felt like I was in a complete stupor walking back to my house from the cinema, that final scene was incredibly haunting and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since I first saw it
This movie was confusing, boring and shit. One of Nolan's worst.
@@DestinyAwaits19 Logan Paul is that you?
@@joshuatumambo5674 No. But what I said is still true.
I think the biggest triumph of this movie is the pacing. This movie wouldn't have worked with a different director, Nolan is an expert at this. He can use stress to make Dunkirk feel like a 3 hour movie instead of 1 hour and 45 minutes. And here, he makes a 3 hour movie feel like 2. It's crazy how well told this story is.
Agreed. For such a long movie that is mostly people talking soberly in small rooms, it's amazingly suspenseful. I was breathless for the whole run time.
I'm not sure I agree, the first half of the movie was way too fast, with very frequent cuts and location changes it felt like a trailer.
The expression on her face in the thumbnail is the same she would have if she would just try the Sybian just once like I asked 😤
@iz723 Partly agree, but in the "You only have three hours of film to assemble" kind of way, and we can take that literally because that's all that could fit on an IMAX platter, his back-and-forth made the most compelling version of the story.
There is a video out there that brings up the copious amounts of pacing and narrative issues that occurs if this same film is presented in chronological order, and why it was necessary for Nolan to present it this way. I forget what it's called.
@iz723 The only reason I partly agree, by the way, is because yes I wish that front end was even longer, but I understand it can't be.
Cillian Murphy did a fantastic job with his portrayal of Dr. Oppenheimer! Not only did he resemble Dr. Oppenheimer, he was able to capture all of the fear and torment with his facial expression alone! Christopher Nolan truly brought filmmaking up a notch!
The scene where they lift him up after Trinity, he really looks like Oppenheimer
Coming from someone who had the briefest of knowledge of Oppenheimer; I found the story so captivating
I really hope you didn't take a lot of this at face value, because there's a lot of crucial stuff here in places that's just plain wrong
@@josephwallace202Care to share? Didn’t know anything about creation of the atomic bomb and its management post-WW2 before the movie
@saviomutaganda1642 for one thing, the scene where Oppenheimer "quotes" Marx, as though to imply his immense intellect had processed the entire corpus of his work and found his ideas lacking beyond a shadow of a doubt? He's quoting Proudhon, a man who is literally an adversary of Marx's.
@@josephwallace202 the biography of Oppenheimer is not based of single quotes or the correctness of all details and if it is biased, well the truth of a mans life is almost always only known to that man alone. But for the story around the character of Oppenheimer ... yeah that is really well researched in many parts. I recommend the "startalk" (youtube podcast/channel) episode from Neil de Grasse-Tyson about the movie "Oppenheimer", that is really informative to that point and about all the scienctist shown in the film.
I really agree with you @RoRo27 and the movie has inspired me to look into the complex of the Manhattan project and the consequences of living in the atomic time - and contrary to what @josephwallace202 has written it didn't get a lot of crucial stuff wrong, when you look for the story that evolves around the man - the developing of the atomic bomb, the scientist involved and I also think it captures the doubt of that whole project really well ...
As much as I love seeing Nat's first reactions to blockbuster movies like Oppenheimer, I *really* wish she watched it in theaters because it was just a different experience
Oh I'm sure it was just SPECTACULAR in theatres
@@NatalieGoldReacts Can't explain how amazing the experience was
Maybe in imax. Regular one wasn't that special at least as it was the only one I had access to
I always get turned off by these 3 hour flicks, I'm still getting over my ass being numb in a crappy theatre seat with Dune :(
@@K.C-2049Good luck! Cinephiles out there also watch five hour to six hour films by filmmakers from places like Hungary 😂
Then there are older films like Ben Hur and Gone with the Wind
While I understand why you feel like the Rami Malek scene was redundant after the audience had already gotten that information about Strauss, I think the point of that scene was to answer Oppenheimer's question of "is anyone ever going to tell the truth about what happened here?" So it's less about the audience feeling surprised, and more about the audience feeling vindicated and relieved that at least some measure of justice was served. The scientific community avenged one of their own.
Fantastic reaction and discussion, as always! :)
Yes, I agree with you on this point.
Absolutely! I really needed that, and it totally worked.
Yeah it was completely needed, both because its an important part of the Oppenheimer story in general, and because without it, he'd then one day be "redeemed" and what we just assume the why happened off screen?
Exactly! I felt like the first telling was meant to make you make you sick and disgusted that Strauss could do something so sinister, and the second was meant to make us feel vindicated.
I don't think the first one was meant to be a gotcha moment, either, at least not in the traditional sense. It was more meta than that. It was Strauss trying to force a gotcha moment, to stroke his own ego, and having it not land the way he thought it would.
Thank you for pointing that out for the folks that obviously didn’t get that point in the film. See, I assumed that everyone understood that sequence of events. However, after watching & listening to her review, I see that I was clearly wrong. lol
I think we needed the B plot since Oppenheimer's career was destroyed by Strauss and it is important to know why this happened.
Crazy it also destroyed Strauss career as well
@@reflexjat3822 Did it now?
“I believe we did” is one if the hardest endings ever. Strauss was too delulu to see there were bigger things than vendettas against him.
It may take away from it, but it popped into my head when I read this. It’s almost like the “oh” line from John Wick
Bro what is "delulu" I see it on instagram stories and I don't understand please help me it haunts my dreams
@@gopalarora9997 Just short for delusional. A false belief to be true like Strauss thinking Oppenheimer was talking about him to Einstein.
@@peach-panther Oh thank you, now I can be at peace
@@gopalarora9997 Np man.
Fun fact about the speed of sound: The shockwave IS the sound of the explosion. I saw a rocket launch from a distance of 50 miles and it took 4 minutes for the sound of the launch to arrive. Some people during the Trinity test were 20 miles away, so it would have taken about 1.6 minutes for the shockwave/sound to hit them
Oppenheimer's observatory was 9 km from the bomb tower, so the sound arrived with a delay of 27 seconds.
Wrong, shock waves and sound waves are two completely different things. 🤦🏻
@@St8Genesis No they're not.
@@Onaterdem try again kid🤦🏻
Literally 3 seconds on google would have kept you from looking dumb 😂🤡
@@St8Genesis Clearly, propagation of vibration through the air is different than propagation of vibration through the air.
I don't think any ending has hit me harder than this one. Cillian's subtle facial acting was phenomenal, the eerie tone of when he says "I believe we did" along with Einstein's realisation and the visions, realising that we are part of the world that Oppenheimer feared is absolutely terrifying
Me too! I sat in the cinema for ages just thinking about what I'd seen and experienced and what has happened in the world since the bomb was first made, it given the world power it shouldn't have and when I left the cinema it was raining, which felt fitting.
The final line of this movie "I believe we did" is one of if not the best endings of a movie I have ever seen.
And the Goransson track hits... instant goosebumps.
Ngl I love the direction decisions, Christopher Nolan really just did what he wanted and it all worked. I loved that once the bomb is taken away from Oppenheimer’s hands the destruction haunts him in every scene. The use of the stamping feet growing louder and then the cut to silent by that single scream is brilliant sound design. I can’t get enough of this film and I’ve only seen it twice 😅
saw it four times in theater
I loved this film. People who don't get the black and white sequences probably have never seen a Nolan film where he uses black/white for objective and color for subjective. That's not a fault on Nolan.
agreed. saw it twice in imax and i know ill watch it many many more.
The level of anxiousness leading to detonation was something I’ve never felt before. Beautiful movie. The lenses used, the lighting, the sound, the acting, the editing. everything about this movie was absolutely stunning. The choice of using black and white with Strauss kind of describes his perspective. He only sees the world in black and white.
I love how the black and white is the narrative based on objectivity of others and the colour is the subjective narrative from the point of view of Robert Oppenheimer
And ironic that Strauss’s PoV doesn’t distort events even tho he is petty and interpret events wrongly sometimes.
Hmm, I think the plot from Strauss perspective is definitely needed for the story. It's a movie about Oppenheimer, his whole life, not only creating the A-bomb. An important and impactful event in his life is how his public image got destroyed through backstabbing politics. That's why Strauss plot is there.
And also to shine a light on the communist boogeyman they create to discredit him, which is the same boogeyman they use today to discredit undesirables. It's a good way to connect the film to today.
The imagery does mean something, the montage is showing how his education led him to visualize atomic structure, which at the time was not well understood at all. Niels Bohr was probably the most important in this regard, the fact that the montage happens right after Robert meets him is not a coincidence.
Honestly the scene with Kitty and the imagined projection of Jean just staring at each other is one of my favorite depictions of cheating ever, visually at least. It really would feel like that if you learned your partner cheated on you, because all you can imagine is them in bed together while you're hopelessly on the sideline. All the trust and intimacy you thought you had together is gone.
I agree, but I think it would've hit harder had Kitty not known about that before. Apparently she was very aware already.
@@MuffinMcFluffin I personally disagree. I think that pain, resentment, and loss of trust still cuts deep, even years later. Oppie is having his whole life and all its controversies drudged back up and that's also going to bring back the very visceral emotions Kitty kept mostly buried down during the Manhattan Project.
@@AlasdairGR I feel that for sure, and totally get you. I think the fact that WE didn't know about it beforehand makes it feel weird when afterward he says "You already knew," blah blah blah. We didn't know that she knew, so that revelation after takes back why I think as I do in the moment.
That being said, I'm not asking them to change the real life story and say "It would be better if they made it so she didn't know" when she actually did, so I'm not actually complaining.
I’d have to disagree on your comments regarding the black and white scenes. Oppenheimer is actually an adaptation of a biography by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin called “American Prometheus: the Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer.” The “tragedy” the title refers to is a direct result of the conflict between Oppenheimer and Strauss that largely dominates the last half of the book after Los Alamos and the end of WWII. Now the most important aspect of his life is his contribution to the nuclear bomb, which is why that takes up a good chunk of the film’s runtime. But it’s not all there is to his life. Another important part of his life was when Strauss attempted to discredit and frame him out of spite, and the consequences which ensued from that. That’s the significance of the B plot and Strauss’ place in the film.
Yeah her review was kind of a weak take imo. I don’t see a valid reason to bring down the story because SHE got distracted from black and white scenes. I think it’s a “reaction” mindset that makes her think she has to have everything down and understand everything when great art invites questioning, and reaching deeper. If the black and white was where she got stumped, then yeah I don’t think she was mentally prepared to take it all in. Granted, this movie proves to be a challenging one to react to because of all the characters and following the plot. But the beauty of film is that it doesn’t live in a vacuum and you can rewatch a film like this a still learn new things and get new I sights.
I always tell people, "This movie isn't ACTUALLY about the bomb; it's about the man and his place in history"
@@spooky_lightsHer take is a common reaction to the film; a lot of people were just expecting a different type of film based on the first hour.
@@spooky_lights agree. I've seen less incisive reactors loving the black and white scenes and understood what Nolan was doing. And Natalie had nearly no negative comments on Barbie which was a far less complex film that had it's own narrative problems she chose to ignore. So IMHO, I would take her criticism of Oppenheimer with a huge grain of salt. Since the black and white scenes were her only major critique, this film is overall perfect.
Totally agree, and I appreciate your articulation for the need for the "B" plot. This is my first time watching one of her reactions so I thought seeing her react to Oppenheimer would be a good place to start. I'm quite unimpressed with her post commentary, and I'll probably not bother to watch her reactions to other films. Especially if black and white is a hangup for her in films, then just wow. As if it detracts from the film in any way. If anything, it aids in identifying the timeline and B plot. Usually Nolan never employs black and white, even when tracking multiple timelines (or simultaneous dream layers etc), so I suspect Nolan partially did this here in order to make it easier on the audience. Definitely not a negative, but a positive instead. According to the comment in this sub-thread here, if she had less negative things to say about the Barbie film, I'm just happy to move right along. Good day all!
No other movie has made me feel so anxious leading up to the trinity bomb. The entire imax bums were twitching. All credit to Nolan and the incredible actors.
i have been saying the exact same thing!
i even caught myself practically holding my breath until detonation.
And then the complete silence after....just beautiful.
Oppenheimer and Straus also personifies the MAD doctrine. Strauss ended Oppenheimer's career and his own career was ended in return, hence Fusion and Fission.
Ho boy, you're right (also, don't be surprised if World War II happens and goes nuclear due to some egotistical world leader having a petty spat with someone else and deciding to lob The Bombs (TM) at that someone else).
Also I like to think Fusion stands for “something you didn’t want to happen but it happens anyway” because Opp didn’t want to build it.
This has proven to be a major year not only for big name directors, but also for movies based on devastating real-life events as well. In addition to OPPENHEIMER, Martin Scorsese’s KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON also fits that criteria. A required viewing in my view, especially with the self-aware ending.
EDIT: Also add THE ZONE OF INTEREST to that category as well.
Great film
also barbie
I really love the movie on its own, but the score truly elevated it to a higher level. A lot of the scenes wouldn't even have half of the impact they had without the music.
Ludwig Göransson is an MVP with all his projects; his score for _Tenet_ carries the whole film hardcore.
you're absolutely right and ludwig goes crazyyyyy
The change between black and white/color was a change from subjective vs objective. That's how Nolan explained it
It was mostly Strauss's perspective versus Oppenheimer's perspective.
Also, without it, it'd be hard to understand the time jumps
Albert and Opie were gods discussing destructive powers beyond comprehension and Strauss the wee mortal thought they were talking shit behind his back. His biggest mistake was thinking he was on their level.
Cry 🤡
@@jsmithers. What a stupid comment. It's clear why your parents don't love you.
???@@jsmithers.
@@joshmayes1538 🤡
What made Einstein and Oppenheimer wise was their humility and ability to stay grounded. They knew they weren’t gods. Ironically, Strauss was the one who wanted glory and power
"I believe we did" is a line that has stuck with me for months, one of the best endings to a movie that I've seen
I remember when Oppie's grandson was talking about being upset about the apple story, but it was in the book precisely because it was a story Oppie told to friends. Whether it's true or not I guess we'll never know, but it's true that Oppie told that story. He did go to therapy for a couple years after the incident, and he was diagnosed with schizophrenia which was likely wrong. Clearly he was an impulsive person in his youth though, as the apple story conveys. In that event, he was able to act on his regret before it was too late, something he did not do soon enough with the development of the atomic bomb.
Apparently when he was that age or younger he suffered terrible depressions and was found curled up on the floor or his bed in a foetal position and other stuff too, he went through some very bad mental traumas and his childhood was very unusual, quite solitary, and on top of all that his mind was working at such a pace - maybe the apple is more representative of his state of mind without doing a childhood history lesson...
The part where the bomb feels silent isn't just an artistic choice... they literally didn't hear anything at first because they were too far. Like seeing the flash of lighting before hearing the thunder. The sound caught up with them a few seconds later.
The whole criticism with B&W perspective creative choice is something that I've never heard of a bare minimum criticisms that Oppenheimer have gotten so far. It's actually surprising to hear this new perspective, that B&W took you out of story, and made you aware you're in B&W now. Personally, I felt it's icing on the cake that had made this narrative much more rich and compelling. I don't know if it's a good idea either to make RDJ's color too, as that would make it even harder for a viewer to keep up with the story.
Nolan did almost the same thing in Memento.
@@nicoladc89 Yeah. He said he wanted to bring back that idea again, and reapply it on the biopic. It worked for me, I guess for most of the viewers. Natalie's pov was unexpected.
I really like the decision for Strauss' perspective and plot to be in B&W not only to make the plots distinct from each other, but also as a commentary on how "Black and White" Strauss is in many of his scenes. He's either in or out, they were talking about him and him only, he thinks he's more important than he really is, things of that nature
Yeah that was some bullshit by her
@@Jayanth Didnt work for me either. I really didn't care about the Strauss story at all. The film didn't spend enough time with any of the characters aside from Oppenheimer for me to be emotionally connected to any of them.
The guy who Oppenheimers wife refused to shake hands with is Edward Teller he mentions earlier in the movie that he’s researching the possibility of the hydrogen bomb. He would go on to create said bomb and it is roughly one thousand times more powerful than the atomic bomb.
I’m surprised at her reaction. This was one of the best films I’ve seen in years.
Exactly
Watching this in 70mm IMAX was life-changing. The sound and the cinematography were just amazing! If an IMAX theater shows it near you, go and watch it!!
I loved seeing in on 70mm. At one point one girl was doing selfies and filming on her phone WITH THE FLASH ON. Everyone was livid.
I'm sad bc there's no IMAX on my city, and the nearest IMAX is 532 km distance from me. I was so impressed the whole time in regular cinema, can't imagine if I saw it on IMAX, would be more awesome. but nonetheless, it's still the most beautiful movie I've seen this year
We need more 15/70mm theatres in Europe. There's like 3 in the entire continent, seriously!
Thankfully there's a good Dolby Cinema theatre near me so the experience was good.
I really wanna see it in imax when it does eventually come back to theaters, but when I saw it, I caught the 35mm film viewing and it was simply incredible.
Best dang movie of the year! The actors' performance, music, and the visual effects are phenomenal! I loved every single minute of it! 10/10
I really loved the B plot, because the irl scientific world is FILLED with stories of government and egos clashing, and problems snowballing and causing chain reactions.
For anyone interested, @BobbyBroccoli makes great documentaries about those, that have exactly the same vibe as Oppenheimer
Hollywood needs old-school auteurs like Nolan more than ever
And Scorsese as well
To offset these horrible comic book nerd movies that make me sick to my stomach.
Wouldn't say Nolan is old school as he tend to mix Bluckbusters and Artistic Cinema in his movies, hence his success as he appeals to the both sides of film fans 👌
@@dimitryanyanwu7681 i see Nolan more like Michael Mann with his style
Absolutely, they're a dying breed.
The third hour centering on Strauss' hearing is the best part of the movie, full stop. Strauss' story also makes way more sense on second viewing. The culmination of the movie is Strauss and Robb "cross-examining" Oppenheimer and calling out his hypocrisy and contradictions. Strauss and Robb are both awful but they also aren't wrong about Oppenheimer.
Dr Hill's actual real life deposition was even more on the nose and harsh in real life, if you can believe it. Its crazy. I'll also say that everyone I know liked it even more the second time. Maybe it'll be like that for you too!
I really enjoy the first part of the movie when Oppenheimer goes around gathering famous scientist like it's the avengers
Key Cillian Murphy movies:
- 28 Days Later (One of the best zombie movies ever made)
- Intermission (Great "modern" Irish movie, has Colin Farrell and Colm Meaney)
- Wind That Shakes The Barley (Heartbreaking film about the Irish civil war)
- Sunshine (Really unique scifi movie)
Cillian Murphy was born for this role. I have some big problems with the script and Nolan’s direction, but Cillian’s performance is unimpeachable. He captured this haunted man with complete authenticity. Remarkable.
40:44 No, that article is incorrect. Nolan has said in interviews that the color scenes are from Oppenheimer's subjective point-of-view, while the monochromatic scenes are outside of Oppenheimer's, the objective point-of-view. It has nothing to do with Strauss.
FACT
Cillian Murphy in Peaky Blinders is a must watch.
The black and white shots are meant to represent Strauss point of view and the color shots are from Oppenheimer’s point of view. It’s a great way to keep the storylines separate and is another great visual metaphor for how Lewis thought Oppie and Einstein were talking about them when they weren’t.
Cilian Murphy is one of my favorite actors of the last 20 years. He's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders, although everyone is great in that show lol.
I don't understand what you said about the B plot being weak. Especially the Rami Malek part. That was my favorite part because it's what brings down Downey's character finally and after we learn about how he ruined Oppenheimer its poetic because that's what brings him down as well. Also Rami Malek is great in that scene. The whole movie would not have the same effect, the same themes, the same metaphors and poetry without the B plot and the Strauss hearing. Also the acting is getting "heavy handed" because all the tension is and intensity of the whole movie is culminating towards the end. I don't understand the idea of cutting things out of this movie. You need as much time for all the info of this complex story and cutting it down would only hurt the movie. And if the Strauss scenes weren't in Black and White it risks getting extremely confusing. I would recommend a rewatch because I simply don't understand some of these critisicms.
I think the Strauss section had to be B&W because we're jumping between 3 timelines and like 30 characters, so if they all looked the same it would be impossible to tell where/when we are in the story.
I was fortunate enough to see this on actual 70mm film in theaters. Was fantastic. Can’t wait to experience it again!
This is my favourite film of the year! I saw it twice in cinemas and i loved every moment of it!
♥️ One of my favorite movie going experiences!
From someone who has a keen understanding of fission and fusion physics, I believe this is the greatest Biopic of the last decade. The way Christopher Nolan layers his movies with subtle differences in cinematography depending on when the event play out is master class. Also for him to unpack the entire life of Oppenheimer and summarize it with such attention to detail while also putting his own twist to things is just impressive. Christopher Nolan is the greatest director of all time.
I ended up watching this movie in cinemas twice. The first time in IMAX with my parents. Then a second time with my brother only a couple days later 😂
I watched this in theater, the scene where they did the trinity test was absolutely breathtaking, and that actually explosion sound made me jump so hard. That’s something you can only experience in theaters
Christopher Nolan and his soundtracks duos are amazing. I love both Hans Zimmer for his previous work and Ludwig Goransson's for his recent ones. "Can you hear the music" is my favorite track from Oppenheimer
If you like Cillians performance you should watch Peaky Blinders
So I did the whole Barbenheimer thing and watched this first…and the emotional whiplash I was hit with going from the ending of this movie to the beginning of Barbie was so surreal lmao
Omg, finally! Can't wait to see your reaction! I loved all of the movie, it's simply a masterpiece
I did the whole barbenheimer thing and even though it seemed like Barbie overshadowed Oppenheimer in online discourse for me the last scene of Oppenheimer was so chilling and impactful that it was by far the thing that stuck with me the most between both movies, I was thinking about it for days afterward
FINALLY!!!!
I have been waiting months for your reaction to Oppenheimer 🎉
What I love about this movie is Ik what is gonna happen, but yet I felt so tense while watching the explosion cause I thought the world might end. I love movies that still make me feel tense but Ik what’s gonna happen
Nolan has stated that the black and white was done to differentiate the two storylines and their differing perspective. The black and white is told objectively with confirmable history while the colour is told subjectively from Oppenheimers specific point of view. You can even see a difference in Murphy's performance of Oppenheimer in the two sets of scenes. He comes off more cold and aloof in the black and white, since thats how he was percieved by some who didn't know him well. While in the colour scenes we get to see his internal thoughts and traumas that colour his changing perspective.
The film is quite literally built to be a story about a story about a story. The hearing talks about Oppenheimers trial which talks about them making the bomb and the years after. Not to mention the entire animus of Oppenheimer being exhiled after the war then eventually welcomed back years later was entirely driven by the machinations of Strauss, and then his public denial and the exposure of leading the witch hunt for Oppenheimer is part of what led to the publics changed views on Oppenheimer, which then led to him being "welcomed back".... its kind of a key piece of the mans life story. Cutting it out would make zero sense.
The two sections Fission and Fusion are about how Oppenheimer saw the world vs how he was viewed. This goes back to the idea that he was likened to Prometheus. This is just another element of the torment/ consequence for his actions.
Always worth the time to hear your analysis and commentary on storytelling and use of cinema to tell the story.
Man I saw this in theatres 4 times! Such a good film and im so glad people are finally able to react to it!
Shout out to Cameron for whittling down a 3 hour+ reaction to 45 minutes.
FYI, the speed of light (what you see) is always faster than the speed of sound (the sound of an explosion and its shockwave) - a few films have shown this correctly, with perhaps a 1/4second delay between the visual explosion and the sound it produced from a LONG shot of the explosion. However, with an atomic weapon detonation, the explosion can be seen from several miles away, therefore requiring several full seconds for the sound to arrive.
To clarify, everything in color is from Oppenheimer’s POV and is subjective to what actually happened, while everything in black and white is word for word what actually happened since we have court documents/records to prove it.
I went into the movie knowing that and it helped a lot!
How did you respond so fast? I haven’t see any version of internet explorer be this fast, pretty much ever
@6:37 Fun Fact: In this scene, Niels Bohr, played by Kenneth Branagh, tells Oppenheimer to study under Physicist and Mathematician Max Born. And Max Born is the paternal grandfather of singer Olivia Newton John.
I think this was the best way to tell this story. It's physically impossible for Chris. Nolan to tell a story in the chronological order, so the whole conspiracy around Oppenheimer's case was a good choice from him. Very well shot, acted, edited, and musically illustrated.
Ironically his time-bending movie Tenet is the _only_ Nolan film that's told in straight chronological order (from the character's perspectives)
Not impossible. _The Dark Knight_ and _The Dark Knight Rises_ were in chronological order.
@@ZukoHalliwell Yes indeed, but it was a franchise, not a creation of his own ykwim.
The sound design of the shockwave in theaters was insane, especially in IMAX.
I went into Oscar season being like “Yeah Barbie will probably clean up” and then I watched this and like…just wow. Everything about it was masterful. Best movie I’ve seen in a long time.
This movie was great, I think the could make some of the historic scenes a little bit more clear so they could edit more of the movie and make it shorter but is great the way it is, I also loved the music and sound design, and the final dialogue between Einstein and Oppenheimer is in my opinion the best way to end it
The way I perceived Strauss’ black/white world was more in the sense that it was a world where the facts had been decided and cemented already, whereas Oppenheimer’s world still seemed to have possible different futures and perspectives.
Not so much that it was Strauss' mindset, but that the world itself had been decided and it was just presenting history.
I didn’t have a problem at all with that being black/white but I for sure get why it’d pull you out of things.
Glad you took on this one. Have been waiting for a review like this to iron out some things I thought I saw and stuff I missed. I think the story could have been told with a shorter movie, but the long version helps add weight to the seriousness of the topic.
OOOOOOO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!! Alright here we go
Nat, you can't tell the story of Oppenheimer without the story of Strauss. Strauss is the one who, at least according to this version of events, orchestrated the ruination of Oppenheimer's reputation and credibility after the war. And Oppenheimer went along with it because of the intense guilt he felt, out of some misguided self-flagellation, which Strauss interprets (perhaps rightly) as a narcissistic pariah complex. The irony, of course, being that Strauss was motivately purely by petty spite and his own over-inflated ego. The two plot threads are intrinsically interwoven. Now, maybe presenting Strass's side in black and white was a little on the nose and broke immersion, but then again, subtly isn't necessarily one of Nolan's strong points as a filmmaker.
The Robert Downey JR version of Sherlock Holmes is definitely something worth watching
Been waiting on this reaction ever since it came out on digital 😅, im so glad you got to experience this finally!
Happy Holidays Natalie.
It was a great watch in imax. First time in a theater where i was so anxious where i feel my heartbeat during the countdown for the bomb.
This is my ALL-TIME favorite movie of 2023 and my all-time favorite Christopher Nolan movie alongside Dunkirk (2017). I saw it in IMAX, twice. First with my girlfriend in IMAX Digital and again with my dad in IMAX 70mm. As a junkie for visual suspense, the Trinity Test is my favorite scene in the movie because of the anticipation for the countdown as well as the blast itself. When my girlfriend & I first saw it, we were wondering "Where's the boom?" Then the shockwave from the blast jolted me to the back of my seat. Both times when that scene started building up, my heart was racing at 115 bpm on my watch. The speech at the gym was also intense because of Oppie having visions of a woman, played by Christopher Nolan's daughter, Flora, whose skin starts peeling. Not only that, the wall behind him starts shaking while he's static and then the BOOM as we cut to the crowd starts cheering for Oppie. He also sees various hallucinations around him as he leaves the gym. Now that's terrifying. This is also my all-time favorite movie that Robert Downey Jr. starred in. His performance as Lewis Strauss was so well done.
I appreciate the long but thorough outro for this film Nat!
I just watched it for the first time last night myself. Great analysis on your part!
The two longest films I've seen this year were Oppenheimer and Killers of the Flower Moon. I didn't feel the runtime on either of them, in fact it made me appreciate more what film as a medium is capable of achieving if the people who control the purse strings were actually willing to take more risks.
I am confused that the B plot was an issue for you but you were interested in what was happening with Oppinhimmer! The whole point of including the B plot was that it was what happened to Oppenhimmer!!!! The whole movie was about Oppenhimmer so leaving out major events that were all connected to his participation in the events of that time would be kinda missing the whole point of the movie!
That’s what we’ve been waiting for 👌
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
In Straus his defense, when it comes to Oppenheimer's view on geopolitics, Oppenheimer was extremely naive. Oppenheimer wanted science to be more open to other countries, which might not have been a good thing when you're dealing the Soviets who installed puppet states post ww2.
Straus advocated for Jewish refugees who fled from Germany, to immigrate to the United States. And he was also somewhat against the use of nuclear weapons in warfare, only to be used as deterrence.
As a general philosophy, he's correct, Science SHOULD be open between countries, which is why things like the International Space Station and Cern are so important. It's good for Science and it's good for fostering peace. That being said, yeah, the 40's probably wasn't the optimal time to implement that policy lol. For a very interesting perspective on that type of frenemy relationship you should listen to Astronaut Chris Hadfield talk about working with Russians after being a pilot during the cold war.
I dont know how you can say the B plot was unecessary because it really isnt plot A and B, its just plot A told from two different times.
Yeah, I'm slightly puzzled. I think she may be misinterpreting the gist of the film tbh. Although, it's easy to do sometimes.
You were spot on about CGI not having “texture”. That was the word I’ve been looking for.
I'm late to the party but I just gotta say, the theater experience with this movie is incomparable to anything I've ever watched. Such a masterpiece!!
I remember sitting for a good 15 minutes after that ending, speechless and unmoving because that day, I might as well have witnessed one of the best endings I had in the theaters aaaa
There were two schools of thought on Physics around this time. In one school you have "Classic Physics" which included Einstein. The other school (to which Oppemheimer belonged) was Quantum Mechanics.
Yep.
This is exactly how Christopher Nolan envisioned his film to be seen.
took me forever to watch this one and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it for the past two weeks. Nolan never misses.
Seeing this in imax was one of the greatest experiences ever in a cinema for me. It just isn’t the same at home.
As a working theoretical chemist with experience in industry this is my favorite movie behind the LOTR series. No movie has shown what it feels like to go through school as a up incoming scientist. How our minds work thinking about concepts on the smallest scale possible and the unexpected consequences our research cause.
This movie is a Masterpiece. Can't wait to see what Chris Nolan comes up with next.
I think Nolan has topped Spielberg as my favorite director (and I'm a HUGE Jurassic Park fan).
I felt an impact by the use of color vs black and white schemes because it felt like the color was Oppie’s open view at the world and other beliefs, studies, and horrors about his effect on the world. Then Strauss was so focused on only his no one else’s. Oppie listened to people/the world around him, Strauss never did.
Watching this in IMAX was just breathtaking. Really glad to see you react to it!
There's this retold tale, that Fermi dropped a bunch papers when the bomb exploded, and just by measuring the distance the papers traveled he was able estimate the energy of the explosion. I cannot confirm the veracity of the tale but, the man was beast. Kinda hoped to see more about the moral and ethical take of these other scientists, whose work was vital for the creation of the bomb.
Edit: there's also this theory that the leader of the atomic project on the other side Heisenberg, played dumb all along. Dunno maybe the allies shoulda done the same.
It's hard to denote a time jump without doing something "jarring" like going black and white - especially if you're going back and forth
i will always remember watching this absolutely masterpiece in IMAX theaters, one of the best cinema experiences ever.
You really had to see this in theaters to REALLY appreciate it. The effects going through your body makes you FEEL this drama.
This movie should definitely be the leader of the pack this awards season. Few directors today can make a 3-hour biopic largely comprised of people having quiet conversations in hushed tones and make it so riveting. And both Cillian Murphy and Robert Downey Jr deserve all the awards.