can anyone tell me what the point of Lore Olympus is (no, i have a point, i swear)
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
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Hades brags about using slave labor, but somehow I'm supposed to root for him? Persephone paid the shades on the beach so they could become slaves!!
i did not know this.............. 😟
@@malacalico on Rachel old Tumblr she said nymphs are lower class. So we're supposed to believe that Minthe, a lower class who lived in poverty, was on the verge of becoming homeless and suffers with BPD is the sole abusive. Hades is a King and CEO, he's her boss, bought her an apartment and controls ALL the banks 😡
@dont stop me now this comment ignores the many other races and ethnicities that were enslaved and are still dealing with the impacts of their colonization to this day lol
@yin4296 look at the j
He also was so greedy and mean with Demeter about the Volcanoes, eventho persefone never brings up to him conveniently cause her exhile
As a fan of Greek Mythology, in my opinion, everytime someone tries to make it more "politically correct" without changing everything (family tree, age, how gods behave, how they got together with their partners, etc.), they just end up with something way worse (morally speaking) than the original.
You either accept the craziness or erase it.
I feel like Greek Mythology's ugly parts are shown off quite well, it's not sanitized by any means. Yes, Hades and Persephone's relationship isn't as problematic as the original myth, but for this kind of romance, I think it's to the story's benefit. I like how the story shows off the reality of the more problematic parts of these ancient myths.
One part I've never seen anyone bring up wether they like L.O. or not is that Athena is dating her own aunt. Think about it, her father is still Zeus and Hestia is Hera's sister. Incest.
@@The_13th_Hussar I don't think Athena is Hera's daughter, in fact it was never said whose daughter she is, so I don't know for sure if their relationship is ok or not, as Rachel changed a lot of things in this story so she could invent another lover. Zeus to be her mother
Seriously! Seeing people try to erase certain gods negative/positive traits to fit them in either the good or evil category is so urghhh!
Just a minor correction, she doesn't get therapy because of her SA, she gets it because she doesn't feel good enough to be dating Hades. There's a whole thing about her feeling guilty for being unqualified for her job and uncomfortable with the money given/being spent on her so it's about fixing her insecurities and making her more confident, not processing her very real & very new trauma.
She doesn't have any agency surrounding the aftermath of her SA& it's treated with as much grace as if Apollo stole her credit card. up to the trial arc (which is where I dropped it) she hasn't told anyone about it herself, they've either guessed or vibed it out because powers which has been my least favorite aspect by far. The fact that these characters can sense "damaged goods" is incredibly disgusting.
I read some of it and got soooo uncomfy at all the grooming things Hades did and does. I hate how he gets off scot free for his abuse in the relationship with Mint. Persephone is like a child in the beginning, to me she seemed like a toddler and to put her into a relationship to what seems like a middle-aged creepy boss.
According to Rachel old Tumblr Hades is supposed to be a middle aged man and she called Persephone a "teenaged girl"
what grooming things may i ask?
@@bubbles4897 the power imbalances, the special treatment he gives her over the other unpaid interns and more deserving employees when she states herself she's unskilled for the job and then the abuse of power he does to the people of the underworld in order to accommodate Persephone and she was 19 but they aged her up 10 years which doesn't make it any less weird
sorry, It's been a while since ive read it, how did Hades abuse Minthe? i know he basically cheated but how did he abuse her?
@@Mahaliak they were both awful he took advantage of her emotions they both mentally abused each other and he put her down multiple times in the comic
You are right. I´m reading LO and I can guarantee you that the story doesn't seem to know where to go. There are some episodes absolutely pointless, when you realize, 20 episodes has passed and nothing happened.
Unironically i kinda like ur "poorly" drawn png tuber, it's v cute
From what I know, at least so far, the SA issue was still not addressed/resolved. Idk, I expected to have Apolo face far worse consequences than just having his musical instrument stolen... And besides that, recently I stopped reading because of how cheesy (the irritating kind of cheesy) the story got. I just couldn't take it seriously at all, so I dropped it.
It hasn't been resolved yet and he's now loved by everyone in the underworld so probably won't be for awhile. She's spent more time trying to make Demeter out to be a bigger monster than Appolo and trying to cram in a fan service $ex chapter. At this point I'm only reading to see what happens cause I've spent 3 years reading this freaking thing. 😅
I dropped it because of the SAME exact reason as you
I read it in middle school cuz I was curious but now it's so boring weird and as you said the irritating kind of cheesy I can't take any of it seriously anymore it's just so irritating to read how they potray Persephone
I think it's funny because lore olympus has a lot of nuggets where you think there's gonna be something interesting happening, but it's thrown away and squandered. Like i genuinely think Minthe is an interesting character, who could have been utilized in the plot to show the negative and predatory side of Hades. That he really is falling into a pattern of dating younger women, taking advantage of them, and throwing them away when someone younger and prettier comes around. I think persephone's punishment where she spends 10 years in the mortal realm could have been really cool and showed her developing into a cool, badass god,, but we only see it at the very end and in flashbacks, and she was only let off because she used her mary sue powers to save everyone's ass (also that punishment was only there so she could age persephone up to 30 but SHE STILL ACTS 19).
there's a lot more i could go on about but there's my rant for the day lol
i never thought about her being aged up for that reason before! This makes so much sense!
@@lgslli exactly. It's particularly reductive because not only is it lore confirmed that Persephone has stopped maturing/growing at 19, but even then...Hades' first impression of her is legit at 19 years old. When she reappears as a 30 year old he still saw a barely legal naive, impressionable, immature goddess and thought "yeah that's wife material".
@@randomthoughts0829 Persephone isn’t even 30 she stopped aging at 19 and is still mentally not an adult. Which still makes the relationship ick.
Ngl, I'd rather read a slice of life comic about the lives of all the secondary characters, their lives and adventures. Like Thanatos, Daphne, Artemis, Athena and Poseidon for example. It just got so over dramatic. And for those that have caught up, the whole conflict between Persephone and her mother, as it is now, so tiring.
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This!!
When I started reading LO I read it as an ordinary romance, I was there for the fulff and cute scenes.
But then the SA ep happened, which turned it for me into more then just a cheesy romance.
After that kind of tone-switch you can't just read it as just a romance alone.
I think what is turning me and many other readers slowly away from LO is that we are only getting the fluff/romance but not the pay-off of what the author set-up with the SA plot (and many other plotlines).
as soon as i learned the comic had an awkward SA plot i wasn’t into it at all. i can excuse wattpad variety romantic fantasies, but SA is too serious and life changing to include in something like that, and i’m not in a place with my own trauma where i can stomach it.
As somone whose experienced something similar I really don't think the representation was legitimate. If I remember the comic properly, it was pretty shoe-horned in and came off more as an insult than anything else. (using SA as a cop-out to force the story forward at a rough point when not knowing what to write at best and a patronizing way of forcing more drama for the story to resolve for more layers at worst) -sorry about the ramble-also I loved your arcana vid 💕
i'm happy to see people's thoughts in the comments, so no need for apologies 💖 and thank you for watching!
Sorry you went through that. Also as a victim I feel the same way, I also feel like her SA is used as a plot device to move the story along or when there needs to be drama. Like they’ll bring it up one time and never again for the next 40 chapters
It's this generation's Twilight
omlllll i love this so much. i have a lot of thoughts about this comic, especially as someone who wants to minor in classics, and i think you had some very good points in this video!!
oh my gosh u r so criminally underrated . this video was so well articulated, i mean, i think u were so eloquent abt everything !! i remember before i refused to read lore olympus cos of my "i reject all popular media cos i have a crippling individuality complex" but quite a while back, i tried to start it just to see what the fuss was abt and i cudnt even get through like 10 episodes 😒 i mean i feel like so many romance webtoons end up being unhinged self inserts for the author (true beauty and let's play r other examples) so all the main characters of these kinda webtoons end up blurring into one for me personally also the way persephone is drawn just reminds me of a fuckin child
thank you so much for the kind words!! i'm not really one for romance myself, so tropes that'd get most people swooning tend to stick out and make me feel uncomfortable 💔
When I tell you this is underrated IT IS.
4:30 This happens oddly often.. actually kinda worrying how it's everywhere. Cant think of much off the top of my mind, but i think it happened in Lets Play, where a charecter gets cornered into talking about it (?) with a guy she's supposed to end up with? my memories blurry.. it's like people can't escape SA/toxic relationships, just find better versions. (that are still bad)
I just think the art style looks unappealing to me. Greek Gods are larger than life and these guys look like they belong in the back of cereal box
Which is ironic because if I remember correctly Persephone's face is on a cereal box in the canon of this comic
I didn’t even make it to the trial I never finished and never will
Good choice, it's only downhill from there
Sad to say I actually did..It is NOT worth it thank god you didn’t
Is it just me or was the time skip kind of a bad decision for the story? We may have missed a lot of character growth and interactions after that. Sure, we could just read through all the flashbacks, but I prefer seeing the events before the boss fight. It would've been more rewarding that way, in my opinion.
you don't need explicit confirmation from the author of their intentions when making a piece of art. you decide what framing to use when critiquing. it literally doesn't matter (it can be good extra context though) you just need to judge the project on its own merits. we have the basic framework: it is a romantic drama. we go from there.
it's true that the author should not need to tell their audience what their aim is, since the audience should be able to extrapolate that from their art
i think i just struggle with the idea that there could be room in any piece of media for someone to willfully misinterpret it, but i guess the worth of a critique also only matters so much to the person hearing it
@@malacalico yeah, like i said knowing the artist's intent is a great bonus that lets us look deeper into it, but what matters most isn't what the author intended for it to be, it is what it is.
media will always get "misinterpreted" from what the author originally intended, but that's part of the fun, that's why most authors dont present a letter of intent every time they publish something. at the end of the day, it's about being presented with the contents of the work and being able to get meaning from that. if the author mean to portray something different than what they ended up putting in their work that's on them.
I haven't read lore olympus, so I don't have an opinion, but I loved hearing yours!
I don’t have a problem with self inserts. There nothing wrong with them, HOWEVER, the problem lies within the Mary Sue aspects of the character and the lack of accountability due to the assault. She based Persephone’s entire character around the assault to make us sympathetic towards her to manipulate the audience to root for her rather than have her take responsibility for her actions. Persephone is just allowed to get away with so much and gets special treatment. Don’t get me wrong, assault is horrible, but Persephone isn’t a good person. Just a bad character with a nice veneer. And I only ever feel frustrated with Persephone with how long it takes her to talk about the problem and makes it worse.
And the whole fight between Persephone and Kronos is total bs. You mean to tell me that an army of gods couldn’t defeat this op colossal titan but a small young sheltered goddess can!? Sounds like something not a Mary Sue can do. The. Before that, she complains being banished for ten years. TEN YEARS. A goddess complains being banished to the mortal realm for ten years. That’s nothing for someone who’s literally IMMORTAL! Ten years is tragically wasted for a mortal. But Persephone can’t accept responsibility for the mortals she’s killed if she’s complaining about being banished for only ten years of her immortal existence. I can’t understand complaining if she missed 100 or maybe 1,000 years with hades, but ten years is nothing for a goddess. She killed mortals which she can’t even be held accountable for by the narrative because “it’s not her fault, she was given the gift of wrath by the goddess of wrath (who’s name I can’t remember).” Bs. Give her some flaws that she actually has to suffer the consequences for and learn from them.
I want to love Hades. I really do. He’s my favorite character in Greek mythology, but he’s just not as good as he is painted to be in the original. Dude brags about slave labor. And obsessed over Persephone. Idk man.
Fingers crossed that WEBTOON won't take this video down, this is one of my favourite LO critique videos out there
They did my boy Asclepius dirty, -8/10
Last year,i was really into it,i though it was incredible and i hated when someone said anything about it,but the more i read,more i though it was bad,looking now,the story was so bad,and the characters,oh i can't even talk,but well,i loved the video.
Hell yeah!!!
Bro really fucking asked why the employee in an employer x employee relationship is the abuser and the boss is sympathetic like just being their boss makes them 100% fucking immune to any abuse or manipulation and like the one with the power perceived on the outside is always 100% the one with absolute power every time 😂
Its almost like relationship dynamics and structure in relief life are complex and people try to reduce a perceived power imbalance as *REEEEE MUH POWER IMBALANCE THEY’RE GETTING ABUSED* like its entirely impossible for the one perceived by the outside to be weak and without agency to actually have the power or share power in a number of different ways
Not really about this specific situation just the *perceived power imbalance is always 100% abuse* train people tend to jump on whenever they see it in any couple
what about stories that are simply meant to be made out of simple fun and passion? What about writers/artists that just create stories/art because they can? How would that aspect affect how people see our creations?
that's an incredibly broad question, and the answers are just about limitless- while a general consensus can be formed of an audience's opinion, there's far too many people in the world to hold generalisations as the be-all, end-all
anyway, the way a creator feels about their work does inform an audience about the "quality" of it, not necessarily in the sense of it being hyper polished.
generally, people like to share! they like to share in creating, in feeling, and caring for something,
even if at the top sits a corporate machine that wants nothing but money, money, money, the people that are creating are passionate- everybody wants to share their story, their ideas, and are working really hard to get it out there despite the capitalist desire to sand down and sanitize everything for the sake of profit
and stories people care about are never stories about nothing, so people will react to what's there: the experiences shown, the ideas expressed- whether someone resonates or not, it comes down to their experiences, how the ideas of a story measures with their own
if a creator cares about their ideas, i guess the expectation is that the audience will either relate to, resonate with, or appreciate what is shared
when an audience is confused or unable to appreciate something for what it is, the assumption is that the creator had mishandled their themes and miscommunicated their ideas, which manifests in inconsistencies, "mistakes", plot holes...
in addition, a creator's love of their craft does not remove their personal blindspots: biases, prejudice, and privilege. we all have them, and we have to acknowledge them if we want to connect with others, especially to people who fall in our blindspots
like i said, broad question, near impossible to answer succinctly, but i hope that this made sense!
"self insert 50 Shades of Grey fanfiction"?
...did these people read the same comic I did?
Pretty sure the comic description makes the author's intent obvious: a retelling of a myth in a new way that makes the characters more "human" and accessible to us, not distant, removed, larger than life beings.
On the age difference: anyone can be an abuser, regardless of age or sex. I think the comic makes a good point of this by having the younger, female partner be the abuser in the relationship, especially as, though more uncommon than the reverse, Does happen, so it can be potentially empowering to survivors to see, even in a story, that their pain is valid and heard and things Can get better.
The same applies for the SA situation. The creator goes out of her way to show that Hades, regardless of his relationship to Persephone, is genuinely the better person and Apollo has his obvious character faults regardless of who he's interacting with. Persephone also has to deal with her situation both herself and through her support network. The creator does not skim over the difficult reality nor offer a romantic relationship as the magic solution in lieu of a road of recovery. I can't speak to the creator's personal experience with Any of the material or themes presented in Lore Olympus, but she handles them with consideration and care.
thank you so much for commenting!
to reiterate, i personally find the tone of the story ambiguous. there's no denying that LO is a unique retelling of greek myth, but i struggle to see if it's meant to be primarily a character drama or a romance. this isn't to say a lighthearted story can't have have serious topics or that a dark story can't have moments of levity, my issue is that i can't tell which of the two it's supposed to be. as a result, when i get dramatic tonal shifts in the story, i feel like they clash and take me out of the story. i didn't critique the comic directly because i only read a small bit of it, so it'd be unfair to make a global assessment, but i'll use what i did read to illustrate my point here: during the trial, tensions are rising and the drama is snowballing, only to take a sudden halt as they call for a recess, where hades and persephone hang out for a few days and avoid thinking about the trial altogether. everything leading up to the trial made me believe it was a character drama, while the sudden stop for fluff tells me otherwise. the conflicting tone and somewhat unpredictable pacing makes it difficult for me to discern what the author wants out of the story. admittedly, it could be both, but i still have no way of knowing for sure, i'm just making assumptions. alternatively, that may be a case of my personal taste not aligning with the story, but since i don't typically read a lot of romance or character dramas, it's hard for me to tell.
as for the topic of abuse and SA in stories, i did go over it very briefly since that wasn't the main focus of the video, but i agree that it's a subject that should be approached with a lot of depth and nuance, which i unfortunately couldn't really afford if i wanted to keep this video clear and concise.
thank you again for sharing your thoughts, it was a pleasure to hear your point of view :D
@@malacalico wonderful to hear yours as well 🤗 I think a reason maybe the tone isn't apparent (especially if we can only read one episode a week instead of binging the comic) is that it isn't trying to adhere to any particular genre but is meant to be more reflective of life and how it goes 🤷♀️ but that's my take. I can appreciate that the sudden shifts are jarring, especially when the tension has been built so high with situations like the trial that you want to know what happens and an in-story release from the tension, and not a tone shift to suddenly jolt you out of one tone into another. I've read the whole comic as available so far, so I can see how it's confusing and unsettling in that way. Thanks for the video and your response!
My issue with the SA is that Persephone only had ONE therapy session and now she's screaming about d*. I can't take that seriously because we never see how it got to that point. Also I hate how, according to Rachel, P isn't aware of how sexy she is
@@jessnalulila5552 she's had one therapy session that we know of, (the comic is trying to tell a story, not turn into a series of therapy sessions) and afterward she got banished for 10 years, giving her quite a bit of time to think and process through things on her own as well as with the support of her friends, and she might've gone back to therapy once she was in the Underworld again. I don't see evidence that she's unaware of how attractive she is, she just doesn't ever comment on it one way or another. But if you have evidence to the contrary, please tell me, cuz there's a lot of pages so I could've easily missed something.
"Pretty sure the comic description makes the author's intent obvious: a retelling of a myth in a new way that makes the characters more "human" and accessible to us, not distant, removed, larger than life beings."
Except if you ACTUALLY read the myths, they already ARE all that. The Greek gods are both larger then life AND human. They directly reflect the society and thus the humans within it of the time. That's WHY they're timeless.
I have no problem with the plot honestly coz it's not over yet! We are picking apart the issues bit by bit but since you decided to stop reading the webtoon you don't have the right to criticise it until and unless it's over.
The current arc is about the struggles Persephone is facing with Demeter and is in my opinion beautifully portrayed.
If it about the age gap issue you are talking about oh pls shut up. What abt the vampires story then? All the cringe romances with no message going out to the public. At least this webtoon shows character development and I truly believe in Smythe that justice will be served and we must be patient.
If we took in the age gap issue into deeeep consideration I doubt that there would be any stories inspired by the Greek Mythology.
Minthe is having her own redemption and healing arc now if you are curious.
Thanks for reading my rant and my only request to you is to wait before the creator finishes his or her story.
The age gap is only an issue because canonically Hades is a well seasoned adult who looks 40 while Persephone was only just entering adulthood and stopped aging at 19. Persephone’s age was also a huge problem for Hades in the beginning which almost made him not even persue her. Then the two actually met when Persephone was underaged and nude. That’s why their relationship is problematic and that’s only the beginning.
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i think the point is like the struggles of how hades love Persephone or like to tell you about Greek gods and stuff i think i mean she is still making more and she have not finish it but i like so yeah
For me Lore Olympus started out just fine and had potential but the author is becoming more unimaginative and the story more boring and draining she probably has a creative block and needs a break or something.