Sooo appreciate this, especially pleasing - the parts on ‘what is real freedom’ and, the remarks on Origen toward the end of the interview. Thank you 😊 !
I was already a Universalist before reading Hart's new book on that subject. It is very frustrating for me that even though I am an eastern orthodox living in Greece, most of the Christians in my community, including the priests I know believe that Hell will be eternal for the dammed, despite having a prestigious (due to language, tradition and location) easy access to early patristic writings. Reading Hart's "That all shall be saved" gave me a deep, somatic and mental satisfaction, the kind of satisfaction that I can experience only when I see that truthful rhetoric and ideas are being beautifully expressed in public dialogue.
«It was necessary to conceal these things and not bring them out into the open-but the heretics force us to bring out in public things that should remain hidden-, for these things are kept covered as a benefit to those who are still “little children” [cf. 1 Cor 3:1] according to the age of their soul and who need the fear of teachers. They need to be chastised by threats and terrors in order to be able to attain healing. Thus by means of bitter remedies they may one day desist from the wounds of sins. For the mysteries of God are always covered by veils on account of the hearers who are children. “How great is the abundance of your sweetness, O Lord, which you have hidden from those who fear you!” (Psalm 30:19 LXX/31:19], The God of the law and the prophets hides the multitude of his goodness not from those who love him but from those who fear him. For the latter are little children. They are incapable of learning to their own profit that they are loved by the Father, lest they be set loose and despise the goodness of God [cf. Rom 2:4].» -Origenes Adamantios [Homily 1, On Ezekeiel] cf. churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-severity-of-universal-salvation/
I was a universalist prior to Hart and very similar in outlook to him, but I hedged myself. I thought "What happens if I'm understanding freewill wrong, or perhaps something else?" I bristled at the "Thinks your more righteous than God," because that's not what anybody who qualifies it thinks, but he did get me to rethink both this sort of qualifying my position and the fallback on annihilation. I don't qualify myself like that on any other serious doctrine nor have the cautious fallback on a position that is so inconsistent. It's never been a secret, but now that I don't qualify it, I can express some of my other speculations such as apocatastasis lies behind both millennialism and amillinnialism on account of treating the premise of apocatastasis more certainly, which has led to several fun conversations. There are several people who are discovering that they've heard all the building blocks for it for a decade but most never realized what they had heard.
It's interesting. I love St Augustine a lot. Disagree with him on many issues like this. What's fascinating though is that even on this issue Augustine actually had a nuanced opinion. He believed that there different degrees of punishment in hell(like Dante). He also believed that the prayers of the righteous could mitigate and alleviate the suffering of sinners in hell. Which is something others who subscribe to an eternal damnation view don't hold.
Augustine certainly held some objectionable opinions that permeated Western medieval theology, but a lot of modern Orthodox thinkers overstate the case. In some ways, Maximus' picture of the fallen condition is even darker than the one Augustine presented in his anti-Pelagian writings.
Mike Myers, you're indulging a stereotype, that such people are Christians. I would class myself as an orthodox Anglican, and I certainly do not think Trump's ouster dooms the nation. However, I have all sorts of problems with Hart's soteriology. And I'm not quite sure I can accept his assertion, made elsewhere, that the majority of interpreters of Greek don't know it as he does. Maybe that's correct. I can't take his word for it, however. Wisdom lies in a multitude of counselors, indeed. I do find his contempt for Calvin and loathing of Calvinism immensely charming, however, and though I know maybe six Greek words, my instincts are that in these he is correct. I'm in a Presbyterian Church in America fellowship, and we take quite an interest in Eastern Orthodoxy. Illness has precluded my studying it as many of my fellow congregants have, but I hope that will change soon. Certainly, if Hart is right, much of what Christians have thought Christianity was has been wrong. I'm not informed enough yet to make a conclusion.
Funnily enough, Hart actually mentioned in another interview that he rather liked Hitchens. Of all the new atheists (Dawkins, Harris etc) Hart said he found Hitchens character to be the most likeable. It was more his arguments than his personality that Hart takes umbrage with.
19:15 What Freedom is: The ability to choose for a reaon, in a state of rational competency, knowing what it is you're choosing or not choosing... The ability to flourish as the thing you are ... the nature you possess, unhindered by ignorance, history, perhaps of traumas...
The interviwer is a lot louder than DBH. I assume the microphone was placed significantly closer to the former than to the latter, which was a mistake.
Have you read this? The Severity of Universal Salvation [Apokatastasis] Taylor Ross churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-severity-of-universal-salvation/
Fraser Daniel Yes, St Gregory of Nyssa, St Gregory the Wonderworker of Neokaesarea, St Makrina the Younger, Origenes Adamantios, St. Vasilios the Great, and many others!!!
@@thatguyk.5306 He's teaching at Notre Dame University in Indiana, USA ndias.nd.edu/fellows/hart-david-bentley/ or through his primary publisher Yale University Press yalebooks.yale.edu/contact-us#pub
This guy describing churches of Christ is pretty lame. “About a hundred years old?” No its movement is 200 years old and a central part of the 2nd Great Awakening. Some truth to what he says about focusing on scripture and independence. And generally don’t care about the patristics. However the former is true of innumerable groups (Presbyterians, Baptists, etc). And there are many CoC scholars and ministers who use theology and philosophy. But, of course, Hart is generally right about universalism.
Everybody who is not saved by trusting in Jesus Christ while alive goes to hell forever. There is an abundance of scripture to support this. I used to be in the faith, but now I hate God and I'm also dying, I know that I will go to hell forever when I die, and I know I have a demonic Spirit living in me because every time I hear true theology, I get very angry and it's like something lives in me that makes me angry at the thought of eternity in hell being true because whatever lives in me is taking me there with it. Those who have faith in Jesus will inherit the Kingdom regardless of their doctrinal error because faith is what saves you, but most people will not be saved. There are very few bible verses to support universal salvation, especially when measured against other verses that's the otherwise. I am damned, I know I'm going to hell and though it sucks there's nothing I can do about it because I don't know how to trust in God anymore. My mother went to hell, my brother will go to hell, and so will my oldest brother. None of us love God. I have tried many times to believe that universalism is true, but after being I believer for 25 years prior to my fall from grace and turning my heart against God, I remember every scripture, and it haunts me day and night, because I know for sure it says I'm going to hell forever. I guess the bright side of it is that I will see my mom and two brothers there, and that's all I can hope for. 🤷♀️🤷♀️ Although, I'm pretty sure God will not even allow us to see our loved ones in hell, and if we do we will be in too much pain to even enjoy seeing one another. I really wish my mom would have aborted me before she ever allowed me to be born, so that there is no chance of me going to hell forever, but there's nothing she can do now because here I am at 41 years old and going to hell any day now. I was supposed to be dead a year ago because I'm terminal, and even though I don't seek medical intervention, I'm somehow still here just to be tormented in my soul day and night. My experience alone proves to me that God hates me, and that he has no love for me at all. Those who believe God loves everyone refuse to see in scripture that God even laughs at the wicked sometimes, that he only loves those who love him, and that he will take pleasure in torturing the wicked.
I’m so sorry to hear that you are suffering so much and have no hope for anything better. With the time you have left, I would recommend you take a large dose of mushrooms or LSD. Then try again, actually read David Hart’s book That All Shall Be Saved. And see if it makes sense to you.
@@RootinrPootine Thank you so much for being empathetic. That's very kind of you. You're joking about the LSD and shrooms, though, right? Shrooms and LSD open the door for demonic spirits to come in... The first time I tried LSD I had demons haunt me for 18 hours.
@@ChristIsKing217r68 Well, the picture you give me leaves little room or time for slow and gentle remedies! As far as I can tell you have nothing to lose! After all, you imagine yourself definitely going to hell, and soon, where your torments will be far worse than any you could experience on earth. It may not be for you, but it has helped quite a lot of people. And is being studied again now (John Hopkins etc), claiming psychedelics as a positive awakening for those suffering from many things. I only refer to it as a way of “getting ouside” yourself in a reflective way. A break from your own Ego, which you would normally not be able to escape. These moments of clarity have traditionally been positive in terms of personal growth. But yes, of course many people have bad trips, but this is generally considered to be the result of poor environment/context (or even just lack of hydration) rather than the nature of the drug itself. These drug do not have a “nature” in the sense you mean. What they show you is specific to you. Do your own research of course. It’s just a suggestion. This video ought to provide you, at the very least, with some doubt regarding your deeply felt beliefs on what God may intend. So, if it doesn’t, in my way of thinking, I imagine that you may be held back by a deep guilt or shame or breach of trust. We all suffer from that. It’s just that you may suffer far more than others. We all need help with it. It would be natural not to be able to seek God or to want to, in that state. Ketamine clinics also, might give you quick relief. Just so you can be clear afterwards, if you seek meaning beyond this fallen world. Pain is blinding.
@@ChristIsKing217r68 You may have quite a different experience with mushrooms, I don’t know. You can take it slow. Carefully build up to a large dose, after knowing what that might be, it’s different for everyone. Microdosing is enough for some people. Myself I’m the opposite. I can take 10 grams and drive a car. I don’t trip. Who knows. I’m just saying, it’s helped a lot of people with meaning and death and pain and God. Things of that nature. Connected.
@@RootinrPootine Meh... I don't know. 🤷♀️ I would smoke some cannabis to calm my mind, but I don't have access to any. Even if I had access to the usual strain I used in the past to relieve my fears, I wouldn't have the money to purchase any. I do know that mushrooms, LSD, Dimethyltryptamine have helped people with fears of hell, social anxiety disorders, etc., but I just never felt that they were for me even though I've tried all of them recreationally in my past. Cannabis was the only substance that ever helped me with any spiritual attacks. I don't believe in mental health disorders in the sense that someone is born with a mental health disorder, so you might not be too fond of my beliefs, but I believe all negative emotions are caused by demonic spirits. I believe every negative emotion is approach of the enemy attacking the mind, and that only my seeking the face of God can one overcome. Do you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? I'm not here to judge you at all, I'm just curious is all. My brother loves the Lord and serves Him, but he uses LSD once in a blue moon to help him deal with stress. Yes, I'm certainly held back by a breach of trust. I was brought up in traditional Christianity, so I've always believed in the traditional doctrine of hell. I also believe that because I lost my faith by choosing to live in sin, God no longer loves me and unless I repent he cannot love me. So, because I believe he doesn't love me, then I can't love him. I don't even know how I came to believe this to be honest with you, because I used to always believe God loved me even whenever I feel into sin, yet I find it increasingly difficult to trust him again. I've never experienced this in my 17 years of believing except for the last couple of years. There is certainly a demonic attack in my life, no doubt about it.
I always wonder why DB Hart allows himself to be interviewed by far right extremists while still claiming to be socialist-leaning and liberal in his political views.
One ought to ensure themselves that Hart's theology is entirely self-defeating and unconscionable. His mistake is that he collapses nature into hypostasis -- but these must be rendered as distinct categories. And, as taught by several of the fathers in the doctrine of universal recapitulation -- the doctrine in which Hart finds himself handicapped -- universal human nature will be restored, but not all hypostases that had adhered to this nature. Try to actually read Maximus the Confessor. Meanwhile, Hart, and followers of Hart alike, are seldom found capable of understanding free will. To suggest that every human hypostasis will be recapitulated within the Logos is to betray the freewill of the latter who can choose by their own self-conscious volition to be among those who had "done evil" resulting in a "resurrection unto condemnation" (John 5:29). Stop trying to epitomize heresy! I pray that Christ help all those fallen ill to the heresy of Hart and the universalists.
"If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire." - 1 Corinthians 3:14-15 "And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." - Matthew 10:28 "May the God of peace himself make you perfectly holy and may you entirely, spirit, soul, and body, be preserved blameless for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Thessalonians 5:23 There's a distinction between body, soul, and spirit. A soul in its ancient biblical context is defined as "a living being, the breath of life, or the vital force." It's not synonymous with spirit which is defined as "the divine nature of one's soul." In God's love, He will break down my soul after death if I choose to reject Him and a new soul will be born from the old. My spirit would remain intact and my born-again soul would glorify God for His unfailing love. This is similar to how the souls of Christians are born-again. The process is very burdensome but the result is freedom inexpressible. "For in him all the fullness was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile all things for him, making peace by the blood of his cross [through him], whether those on earth or those in heaven." - Colossians 1:19-20 "That the Lord may grant you times of refreshment and send you the Messiah already appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the times of universal restoration of which God spoke through the mouthful of his holy prophets from of old." - Acts 3:20-21 "The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 "This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." - 1 Timothy 2:3-4 "For this we toil and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the savior of all, especially of those who believe." - 1 Timothy 4:10 "For the grace of God has appeared, saving all." - Titus 2:11 Whatever God wills, He intends to accomplish. Whatever He intends to accomplish will be done, no matter what. God bless.
@@Ajsirb24 It's funny though, because all types of Christian sects have verses to back up what they say. It's the same as Calvanists etc. So the whole faith is open to interpretation hence the reason there's so many view points and denominations etc. It's hard to believe that this is supposed to be the absolute truth of the world however it's so confusing and up to interpretation that you could go anyway. Why is something which should be so clear, absolutely not lcear at all and completely open to interpretation.
@@TomSeed-lo4mh I think about that all the time. I think most Christians base their theology on what you do to be saved. That's the problem. There's nothing that you can do to save yourself from spiritual exile. It's what God has accomplished that matters. His work on the cross brought reconciliation to everyone. Those who believe have eternal life now. Those who don't believe will eventually have it.
@@Olympuzion His theology is essentially a celebration of his intellectual brilliance (dozens of saints notwithstanding he knows the real truth), and makes a concatenation of polysyllabic words into an illusion of learning.
David Bentley Hart is so astonishingly brilliant.
Wow. A very competent and quick-witted interviewer. Such a rarity with Hart interviews. An exciting and dynamic listen!
Sooo appreciate this, especially pleasing - the parts on ‘what is real freedom’ and, the remarks on Origen toward the end of the interview. Thank you 😊 !
I was already a Universalist before reading Hart's new book on that subject. It is very frustrating for me that even though I am an eastern orthodox living in Greece, most of the Christians in my community, including the priests I know believe that Hell will be eternal for the dammed, despite having a prestigious (due to language, tradition and location) easy access to early patristic writings. Reading Hart's "That all shall be saved" gave me a deep, somatic and mental satisfaction, the kind of satisfaction that I can experience only when I see that truthful rhetoric and ideas are being beautifully expressed in public dialogue.
«It was necessary to conceal these things and not bring them out into the open-but the heretics force us to bring out in public things that should remain hidden-, for these things are kept covered as a benefit to those who are still “little children” [cf. 1 Cor 3:1] according to the age of their soul and who need the fear of teachers. They need to be chastised by threats and terrors in order to be able to attain healing. Thus by means of bitter remedies they may one day desist from the wounds of sins. For the mysteries of God are always covered by veils on account of the hearers who are children. “How great is the abundance of your sweetness, O Lord, which you have hidden from those who fear you!” (Psalm 30:19 LXX/31:19], The God of the law and the prophets hides the multitude of his goodness not from those who love him but from those who fear him. For the latter are little children. They are incapable of learning to their own profit that they are loved by the Father, lest they be set loose and despise the goodness of God [cf. Rom 2:4].» -Origenes Adamantios [Homily 1, On Ezekeiel]
cf. churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-severity-of-universal-salvation/
Patristic Apokatastasis thank you so much for the article!
@@shari6063 You're very welcome! It's very sobering!
I was a universalist prior to Hart and very similar in outlook to him, but I hedged myself. I thought "What happens if I'm understanding freewill wrong, or perhaps something else?" I bristled at the "Thinks your more righteous than God," because that's not what anybody who qualifies it thinks, but he did get me to rethink both this sort of qualifying my position and the fallback on annihilation. I don't qualify myself like that on any other serious doctrine nor have the cautious fallback on a position that is so inconsistent.
It's never been a secret, but now that I don't qualify it, I can express some of my other speculations such as apocatastasis lies behind both millennialism and amillinnialism on account of treating the premise of apocatastasis more certainly, which has led to several fun conversations. There are several people who are discovering that they've heard all the building blocks for it for a decade but most never realized what they had heard.
Fantastic interview. I've learned so much.
This was a great interview! One of the best on YT with David Hart.
DBH is a legend and a prophetic voice against the terrible tradition of Augustin and the likes!
It's interesting. I love St Augustine a lot. Disagree with him on many issues like this. What's fascinating though is that even on this issue Augustine actually had a nuanced opinion. He believed that there different degrees of punishment in hell(like Dante). He also believed that the prayers of the righteous could mitigate and alleviate the suffering of sinners in hell. Which is something others who subscribe to an eternal damnation view don't hold.
Augustine certainly held some objectionable opinions that permeated Western medieval theology, but a lot of modern Orthodox thinkers overstate the case. In some ways, Maximus' picture of the fallen condition is even darker than the one Augustine presented in his anti-Pelagian writings.
I'm glad this interview doesn't have a lot of the hateful comments on other videos I've seen of him being interviewed
Mike Myers, you're indulging a stereotype, that such people are Christians. I would class myself as an orthodox Anglican, and I certainly do not think Trump's ouster dooms the nation. However, I have all sorts of problems with Hart's soteriology. And I'm not quite sure I can accept his assertion, made elsewhere, that the majority of interpreters of Greek don't know it as he does. Maybe that's correct. I can't take his word for it, however. Wisdom lies in a multitude of counselors, indeed.
I do find his contempt for Calvin and loathing of Calvinism immensely charming, however, and though I know maybe six Greek words, my instincts are that in these he is correct.
I'm in a Presbyterian Church in America fellowship, and we take quite an interest in Eastern Orthodoxy. Illness has precluded my studying it as many of my fellow congregants have, but I hope that will change soon.
Certainly, if Hart is right, much of what Christians have thought Christianity was has been wrong. I'm not informed enough yet to make a conclusion.
Hart sounds like the late Christopher Hitchens but not on fast forward so wiser, more compassionate and nicer if you know what I mean.
Funny you say that. I’ve always thought Hart was the Christian counterpart to Christopher Hitchens.
Funnily enough, Hart actually mentioned in another interview that he rather liked Hitchens. Of all the new atheists (Dawkins, Harris etc) Hart said he found Hitchens character to be the most likeable. It was more his arguments than his personality that Hart takes umbrage with.
Really good interview. Thank you.
Always good food for thought from DBH. Thanks for posting.
Great interview!
Thank you
19:15 What Freedom is:
The ability to choose for a reaon, in a state of rational competency, knowing what it is you're choosing or not choosing... The ability to flourish as the thing you are ... the nature you possess, unhindered by ignorance, history, perhaps of traumas...
This was just great!!!!
The interviwer is a lot louder than DBH. I assume the microphone was placed significantly closer to the former than to the latter, which was a mistake.
DBH is in a league of his own
Baseball fan league, is that? Seriously, I believe he is the greatest philosophical theologian of our age.
Theo Philus yea man. It’s not even close. Maybe one day people will allow themselves to think about this topic.
Have you read this? The Severity of Universal Salvation [Apokatastasis]
Taylor Ross churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/the-severity-of-universal-salvation/
Apokatastasis Amen to that. I think that many people do think about all this. It’s just that there is a massive lack of awareness of alternatives.
At least he is quite convinced so.
I decided to get a copy of DBH's to see the difference between that and the KJV I have. Maybe realize it is the better version.
DBH ,Superstar!Superstar,Superstar!
What are the Greek thinkers that Dr. DBH is referring to in 12:59?
Fraser Daniel Gregory of Nyssa
Fraser Daniel Yes, St Gregory of Nyssa, St Gregory the Wonderworker of Neokaesarea, St Makrina the Younger, Origenes Adamantios, St. Vasilios the Great, and many others!!!
@@patristicapokatastasis176, are they 20th century figures. He says they are specifically that!
Good interview.
How does someone contact these people for an interview?
Meaning Hart
@@thatguyk.5306 He's teaching at Notre Dame University in Indiana, USA ndias.nd.edu/fellows/hart-david-bentley/ or through his primary publisher Yale University Press yalebooks.yale.edu/contact-us#pub
@@patristicapokatastasis176 thanks so much!
This guy describing churches of Christ is pretty lame. “About a hundred years old?” No its movement is 200 years old and a central part of the 2nd Great Awakening. Some truth to what he says about focusing on scripture and independence. And generally don’t care about the patristics. However the former is true of innumerable groups (Presbyterians, Baptists, etc). And there are many CoC scholars and ministers who use theology and philosophy. But, of course, Hart is generally right about universalism.
Definitely listen to this! ruclips.net/video/fKSAcUgxbkY/видео.html
Everybody who is not saved by trusting in Jesus Christ while alive goes to hell forever. There is an abundance of scripture to support this. I used to be in the faith, but now I hate God and I'm also dying, I know that I will go to hell forever when I die, and I know I have a demonic Spirit living in me because every time I hear true theology, I get very angry and it's like something lives in me that makes me angry at the thought of eternity in hell being true because whatever lives in me is taking me there with it.
Those who have faith in Jesus will inherit the Kingdom regardless of their doctrinal error because faith is what saves you, but most people will not be saved.
There are very few bible verses to support universal salvation, especially when measured against other verses that's the otherwise. I am damned, I know I'm going to hell and though it sucks there's nothing I can do about it because I don't know how to trust in God anymore. My mother went to hell, my brother will go to hell, and so will my oldest brother. None of us love God.
I have tried many times to believe that universalism is true, but after being I believer for 25 years prior to my fall from grace and turning my heart against God, I remember every scripture, and it haunts me day and night, because I know for sure it says I'm going to hell forever. I guess the bright side of it is that I will see my mom and two brothers there, and that's all I can hope for. 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Although, I'm pretty sure God will not even allow us to see our loved ones in hell, and if we do we will be in too much pain to even enjoy seeing one another.
I really wish my mom would have aborted me before she ever allowed me to be born, so that there is no chance of me going to hell forever, but there's nothing she can do now because here I am at 41 years old and going to hell any day now. I was supposed to be dead a year ago because I'm terminal, and even though I don't seek medical intervention, I'm somehow still here just to be tormented in my soul day and night.
My experience alone proves to me that God hates me, and that he has no love for me at all. Those who believe God loves everyone refuse to see in scripture that God even laughs at the wicked sometimes, that he only loves those who love him, and that he will take pleasure in torturing the wicked.
I’m so sorry to hear that you are suffering so much and have no hope for anything better. With the time you have left, I would recommend you take a large dose of mushrooms or LSD. Then try again, actually read David Hart’s book That All Shall Be Saved. And see if it makes sense to you.
@@RootinrPootine Thank you so much for being empathetic. That's very kind of you. You're joking about the LSD and shrooms, though, right? Shrooms and LSD open the door for demonic spirits to come in...
The first time I tried LSD I had demons haunt me for 18 hours.
@@ChristIsKing217r68 Well, the picture you give me leaves little room or time for slow and gentle remedies! As far as I can tell you have nothing to lose! After all, you imagine yourself definitely going to hell, and soon, where your torments will be far worse than any you could experience on earth.
It may not be for you, but it has helped quite a lot of people. And is being studied again now (John Hopkins etc), claiming psychedelics as a positive awakening for those suffering from many things. I only refer to it as a way of “getting ouside” yourself in a reflective way. A break from your own Ego, which you would normally not be able to escape. These moments of clarity have traditionally been positive in terms of personal growth. But yes, of course many people have bad trips, but this is generally considered to be the result of poor environment/context (or even just lack of hydration) rather than the nature of the drug itself. These drug do not have a “nature” in the sense you mean. What they show you is specific to you. Do your own research of course.
It’s just a suggestion. This video ought to provide you, at the very least, with some doubt regarding your deeply felt beliefs on what God may intend. So, if it doesn’t, in my way of thinking, I imagine that you may be held back by a deep guilt or shame or breach of trust. We all suffer from that. It’s just that you may suffer far more than others. We all need help with it. It would be natural not to be able to seek God or to want to, in that state. Ketamine clinics also, might give you quick relief. Just so you can be clear afterwards, if you seek meaning beyond this fallen world. Pain is blinding.
@@ChristIsKing217r68 You may have quite a different experience with mushrooms, I don’t know. You can take it slow. Carefully build up to a large dose, after knowing what that might be, it’s different for everyone. Microdosing is enough for some people. Myself I’m the opposite. I can take 10 grams and drive a car. I don’t trip. Who knows. I’m just saying, it’s helped a lot of people with meaning and death and pain and God. Things of that nature. Connected.
@@RootinrPootine Meh... I don't know. 🤷♀️ I would smoke some cannabis to calm my mind, but I don't have access to any. Even if I had access to the usual strain I used in the past to relieve my fears, I wouldn't have the money to purchase any. I do know that mushrooms, LSD, Dimethyltryptamine have helped people with fears of hell, social anxiety disorders, etc., but I just never felt that they were for me even though I've tried all of them recreationally in my past. Cannabis was the only substance that ever helped me with any spiritual attacks. I don't believe in mental health disorders in the sense that someone is born with a mental health disorder, so you might not be too fond of my beliefs, but I believe all negative emotions are caused by demonic spirits. I believe every negative emotion is approach of the enemy attacking the mind, and that only my seeking the face of God can one overcome.
Do you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? I'm not here to judge you at all, I'm just curious is all.
My brother loves the Lord and serves Him, but he uses LSD once in a blue moon to help him deal with stress.
Yes, I'm certainly held back by a breach of trust. I was brought up in traditional Christianity, so I've always believed in the traditional doctrine of hell. I also believe that because I lost my faith by choosing to live in sin, God no longer loves me and unless I repent he cannot love me. So, because I believe he doesn't love me, then I can't love him. I don't even know how I came to believe this to be honest with you, because I used to always believe God loved me even whenever I feel into sin, yet I find it increasingly difficult to trust him again. I've never experienced this in my 17 years of believing except for the last couple of years.
There is certainly a demonic attack in my life, no doubt about it.
I always wonder why DB Hart allows himself to be interviewed by far right extremists while still claiming to be socialist-leaning and liberal in his political views.
Yeah why isn’t he just talking to people who already share all his views
@@Jd-808 Are you admitting that these people need liberating? Thank you. Good point. I agree.
One ought to ensure themselves that Hart's theology is entirely self-defeating and unconscionable. His mistake is that he collapses nature into hypostasis -- but these must be rendered as distinct categories. And, as taught by several of the fathers in the doctrine of universal recapitulation -- the doctrine in which Hart finds himself handicapped -- universal human nature will be restored, but not all hypostases that had adhered to this nature. Try to actually read Maximus the Confessor. Meanwhile, Hart, and followers of Hart alike, are seldom found capable of understanding free will. To suggest that every human hypostasis will be recapitulated within the Logos is to betray the freewill of the latter who can choose by their own self-conscious volition to be among those who had "done evil" resulting in a "resurrection unto condemnation" (John 5:29). Stop trying to epitomize heresy! I pray that Christ help all those fallen ill to the heresy of Hart and the universalists.
"If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire."
- 1 Corinthians 3:14-15
"And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna."
- Matthew 10:28
"May the God of peace himself make you perfectly holy and may you entirely, spirit, soul, and body, be preserved blameless for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:23
There's a distinction between body, soul, and spirit. A soul in its ancient biblical context is defined as "a living being, the breath of life, or the vital force." It's not synonymous with spirit which is defined as "the divine nature of one's soul." In God's love, He will break down my soul after death if I choose to reject Him and a new soul will be born from the old. My spirit would remain intact and my born-again soul would glorify God for His unfailing love. This is similar to how the souls of Christians are born-again. The process is very burdensome but the result is freedom inexpressible.
"For in him all the fullness was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile all things for him, making peace by the blood of his cross [through him], whether those on earth or those in heaven."
- Colossians 1:19-20
"That the Lord may grant you times of refreshment and send you the Messiah already appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the times of universal restoration of which God spoke through the mouthful of his holy prophets from of old."
- Acts 3:20-21
"The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance."
- 2 Peter 3:9
"This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth."
- 1 Timothy 2:3-4
"For this we toil and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the savior of all, especially of those who believe."
- 1 Timothy 4:10
"For the grace of God has appeared, saving all."
- Titus 2:11
Whatever God wills, He intends to accomplish. Whatever He intends to accomplish will be done, no matter what. God bless.
@@Ajsirb24 It's funny though, because all types of Christian sects have verses to back up what they say. It's the same as Calvanists etc. So the whole faith is open to interpretation hence the reason there's so many view points and denominations etc. It's hard to believe that this is supposed to be the absolute truth of the world however it's so confusing and up to interpretation that you could go anyway. Why is something which should be so clear, absolutely not lcear at all and completely open to interpretation.
@@TomSeed-lo4mh I think about that all the time. I think most Christians base their theology on what you do to be saved. That's the problem. There's nothing that you can do to save yourself from spiritual exile. It's what God has accomplished that matters. His work on the cross brought reconciliation to everyone. Those who believe have eternal life now. Those who don't believe will eventually have it.
DBH wrote very well on cultural issues. As a theologian he is way off the rails.
@@Olympuzion His theology is essentially a celebration of his intellectual brilliance (dozens of saints notwithstanding he knows the real truth), and makes a concatenation of polysyllabic words into an illusion of learning.
@@Olympuzion , if I have not love I am as a tinkling bell. Your answer exhibits the sort of nastiness which you're so sure Evangelicals embody, Mike.