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Same.

The worm eats the flesh. We all will die to the flesh, hopefully while we are still alive.

I guess Jesus was talking about the literal worms in Gehenna and the literal fire of Gehenna of the literal corpses that were thrown down there. Nowadays Gehenna is a beautiful green valley with no corpses and no fire. That "ending" was the worse for a hebrew of those times because you didn't had a tomb or a name, you perished nameless. So it's a metaphor of how many people won't enter the New Jerusalem but remain without a Name outside as a corpse burning in shame and anger, seeing the Fathers entering and you being left outside. Definitely I see we both agree it's used as a parable. But the important part of Mark 9 is when Jesus says "For everyone shall be salted by fire, have peace therefore with one another". Salvific fire. That's what hell is about, and we all suffer it in some way.

The worm is in the garbage pit in gahanna

He meant through the purifying fire of God's presence.

Why not? Didn’t Jesus have strong words for Pharisees not the prostitutes and the sinners, it’s the elite rich arrogant Pharisees he guns for.

Remember that for Hart, Hell means essentially Purgatory. To say Donald Trump on his way to heaven will need purgation is not all that crazy 😂.

Yeah why isn’t he just talking to people who already share all his views

@@Jd-808 Are you admitting that these people need liberating? Thank you. Good point. I agree.

In none of those quotes does it say Hell is eternal, does it now? Bentley Hart doesn't deny neither the existence of Hell,nor its gruesome nature, only its function ( cleansing not retribution) and permanence. :)

1 Timothy 4 9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome 10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, 11 especially of believers. These things be charging and teaching.

@@kennethlarsen2960 Come on son! Why on God's earth would the disciples labour and suffer reproach, even face the prospect of death, if all people will be saved at the end! 1 Tim 4-9 clearly taking verses out of context! V 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils!!! 1Ti 4:7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness!!! 1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe!!! 1Ti 4:15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all!! 1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee! Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, DECLARE UNTO US THE PARABLE OF OF THE TARES OF THE FIELD.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

@@pedrom8831 The scriptures I've posted speaks doom for Sinners, and not for the Saints! 1Pe 4:17 PEDRO M For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? Pe 4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

@@DoctorMooye Why are you mentioning hell? I don't believe in hell where Satan is burning people with a pitchfork! Hell is a place of sleep! Jesus absolutely speaks serious consequences, sinners will PERISH! 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that PERISH foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1Ti 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan. I pray 🙏 God will open your eyes and stop the madness heresy manufactured by the Devil! You must take Jesus at his word! 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mat 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:Mat 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:Mat 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Well you don’t know what you don’t know

Jethro don't worry man becuz if you haven't come to Christ then you probably weren't called to this lifestyle, but still and all, God is saving those who are called in this age and will continue extending his arm of salvation after the great white throne of judgment and into the new Earth. God has the true no man left behind policy😊

However knowing that God will eventually save his whole creation, I would certainly give God a big shout of thanksgiving for his work for us through Jesus.

Stop with this cringing and sinister self-debasement. Why say 'ignorant hoi polloi like me', when you can simply remedy any supposed defect through study? I'm not fooled by such repulsive tactics, you're a rational human being and an adult. Come to the table equipped with the right implements, or leave and come back when you do. Reality doesn't reveal its secrets to the lazy and wilfully ignorant. If a quantum physicist were to speak in complicated academic language, would you whinge and cry and say that physics must submit to your ineptitude? Grow up.

You are smarter than you think, and human flesh is dumber as well. But smart and dumb are useless concepts when it comes to God, there's only humility and patience. God will show you He is a trinity, and He is Universalist only if you humble yourslef. You are right, religion has made it so hard that is why Jesus preached so hard on these people. Here you have the verses you ask for and Christianity willingly avoids: "Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came //to all men//, resulting in justification of life." Rom5:18 They are not faithful to scripture: "This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. These things COMMAND AND TEACH."1Tim4:9-11 THEY JUST DON'T COMMAND AND TEACH THIS, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNFAITHFUL, BUT AT LEAST THEY TRY, THEY ARE HUMAN. Paul wrote that at the end of his life by the way, exhorting Timothy to look for fair and sane doctrine, which what you asked for. ------------------- Another fair point is God literally created this world as test/first-hell, which Christianity denies. That is why He won't give you the answers before you make your test: "Where is the "scribe", where is the "wise", hasn't God made foolish the Wisdom of this age(Eon)? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe" 1Co1:20 YOU ARE NOT GIVEN THE ANSWER BY DUMB THEOLOGIANS AKA PARROTS 🦜🦜🦜 I HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD WHY... It's a test...

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Just like Jesus huh 😳

I’m so sorry to hear that you are suffering so much and have no hope for anything better. With the time you have left, I would recommend you take a large dose of mushrooms or LSD. Then try again, actually read David Hart’s book That All Shall Be Saved. And see if it makes sense to you.

@@RootinrPootine Thank you so much for being empathetic. That's very kind of you. You're joking about the LSD and shrooms, though, right? Shrooms and LSD open the door for demonic spirits to come in... The first time I tried LSD I had demons haunt me for 18 hours.

@@JesusIsAboveAllOtherNames Well, the picture you give me leaves little room or time for slow and gentle remedies! As far as I can tell you have nothing to lose! After all, you imagine yourself definitely going to hell, and soon, where your torments will be far worse than any you could experience on earth. It may not be for you, but it has helped quite a lot of people. And is being studied again now (John Hopkins etc), claiming psychedelics as a positive awakening for those suffering from many things. I only refer to it as a way of “getting ouside” yourself in a reflective way. A break from your own Ego, which you would normally not be able to escape. These moments of clarity have traditionally been positive in terms of personal growth. But yes, of course many people have bad trips, but this is generally considered to be the result of poor environment/context (or even just lack of hydration) rather than the nature of the drug itself. These drug do not have a “nature” in the sense you mean. What they show you is specific to you. Do your own research of course. It’s just a suggestion. This video ought to provide you, at the very least, with some doubt regarding your deeply felt beliefs on what God may intend. So, if it doesn’t, in my way of thinking, I imagine that you may be held back by a deep guilt or shame or breach of trust. We all suffer from that. It’s just that you may suffer far more than others. We all need help with it. It would be natural not to be able to seek God or to want to, in that state. Ketamine clinics also, might give you quick relief. Just so you can be clear afterwards, if you seek meaning beyond this fallen world. Pain is blinding.

@@JesusIsAboveAllOtherNames You may have quite a different experience with mushrooms, I don’t know. You can take it slow. Carefully build up to a large dose, after knowing what that might be, it’s different for everyone. Microdosing is enough for some people. Myself I’m the opposite. I can take 10 grams and drive a car. I don’t trip. Who knows. I’m just saying, it’s helped a lot of people with meaning and death and pain and God. Things of that nature. Connected.

@@RootinrPootine Meh... I don't know. 🤷‍♀️ I would smoke some cannabis to calm my mind, but I don't have access to any. Even if I had access to the usual strain I used in the past to relieve my fears, I wouldn't have the money to purchase any. I do know that mushrooms, LSD, Dimethyltryptamine have helped people with fears of hell, social anxiety disorders, etc., but I just never felt that they were for me even though I've tried all of them recreationally in my past. Cannabis was the only substance that ever helped me with any spiritual attacks. I don't believe in mental health disorders in the sense that someone is born with a mental health disorder, so you might not be too fond of my beliefs, but I believe all negative emotions are caused by demonic spirits. I believe every negative emotion is approach of the enemy attacking the mind, and that only my seeking the face of God can one overcome. Do you have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? I'm not here to judge you at all, I'm just curious is all. My brother loves the Lord and serves Him, but he uses LSD once in a blue moon to help him deal with stress. Yes, I'm certainly held back by a breach of trust. I was brought up in traditional Christianity, so I've always believed in the traditional doctrine of hell. I also believe that because I lost my faith by choosing to live in sin, God no longer loves me and unless I repent he cannot love me. So, because I believe he doesn't love me, then I can't love him. I don't even know how I came to believe this to be honest with you, because I used to always believe God loved me even whenever I feel into sin, yet I find it increasingly difficult to trust him again. I've never experienced this in my 17 years of believing except for the last couple of years. There is certainly a demonic attack in my life, no doubt about it.

I hope I’m not to late my friend, but a man named Matthieu Pageau wrote a book called “Language of Creation”. It is the most systematic form of symbolism that I have come across. His brother Jonathan Pageau has a RUclips channel where he talks about allegory as well.

I am just curious though. When they say to not take scripture literal. Are they saying don't take any of it literal or just recognize the difference between the literal parts and the allegorical? Was there a literal Jesus Christ? That is what I am wondering really. Because Atheists too don't take it like it is real either. I am not judging anybody, just wondering.

"If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire." - 1 Corinthians 3:14‭-‬15 "And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." - Matthew 10:28 "May the God of peace himself make you perfectly holy and may you entirely, spirit, soul, and body, be preserved blameless for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." - 1 Thessalonians 5:23 There's a distinction between body, soul, and spirit. A soul in its ancient biblical context is defined as "a living being, the breath of life, or the vital force." It's not synonymous with spirit which is defined as "the divine nature of one's soul." In God's love, He will break down my soul after death if I choose to reject Him and a new soul will be born from the old. My spirit would remain intact and my born-again soul would glorify God for His unfailing love. This is similar to how the souls of Christians are born-again. The process is very burdensome but the result is freedom inexpressible. "For in him all the fullness was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile all things for him, making peace by the blood of his cross [through him], whether those on earth or those in heaven." - Colossians 1:19‭-‬20 "That the Lord may grant you times of refreshment and send you the Messiah already appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the times of universal restoration of which God spoke through the mouthful of his holy prophets from of old." - Acts 3:20‭-‬21 "The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 "This is good and pleasing to God our savior, who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of the truth." - 1 Timothy 2:3‭-‬4 "For this we toil and struggle, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the savior of all, especially of those who believe." - 1 Timothy 4:10 "For the grace of God has appeared, saving all." - Titus 2:11 Whatever God wills, He intends to accomplish. Whatever He intends to accomplish will be done, no matter what. God bless.

@@Ajsirb24 It's funny though, because all types of Christian sects have verses to back up what they say. It's the same as Calvanists etc. So the whole faith is open to interpretation hence the reason there's so many view points and denominations etc. It's hard to believe that this is supposed to be the absolute truth of the world however it's so confusing and up to interpretation that you could go anyway. Why is something which should be so clear, absolutely not lcear at all and completely open to interpretation.

@@TomSeed-lo4mh I think about that all the time. I think most Christians base their theology on what you do to be saved. That's the problem. There's nothing that you can do to save yourself from spiritual exile. It's what God has accomplished that matters. His work on the cross brought reconciliation to everyone. Those who believe have eternal life now. Those who don't believe will eventually have it.

@@Olympuzion His theology is essentially a celebration of his intellectual brilliance (dozens of saints notwithstanding he knows the real truth), and makes a concatenation of polysyllabic words into an illusion of learning.

@@Olympuzion , if I have not love I am as a tinkling bell. Your answer exhibits the sort of nastiness which you're so sure Evangelicals embody, Mike.

I’m so sorry to hear this. This is apparently the glory of God in full swing. I was told the same, but actually as a teenager, and it still troubles me profoundly to this day. I have no way of trusting god in this life, if one exists. I can only hope that he doesn’t, or that the hellsayers are wrong.

@@pedrom8831 in my experience God is able to make a way where there seems to be no way. There is no fear in love and you are loved. Its not up to us so no pressure.

​@pedrom8831 "I have no way of trusting in God in this life", if you are the one holding this door shut, then it goes beyond a Doctrinal issue; it's spiritual, which means there's much more to the matter than can be known by any one reading your statements. The third hope left our of your disjunction of hopefuls would be that you see that there is a way and see that way can be walked with someone who loves you beyond your minds capacity to comprend. In The Name Of Yeshua The Savoir and Redeemer may you let down your arms and be made new in essence and being, Amen!.

Agreed.. he needs to hear from some rational christians. His view of religion is very "fundamentalist"

No. Rogan's podcast is boring and dumbed down.

Always thought this.

Ive always wanted to see Hart eviscerate Sam Harris

Unfortunately Joe Rogan would have no clue what Hart was talking about.

I think the man is brilliant but his politics are horrible.

@@chanting_germ. Wow, you really are a programmed ignoramus, eh? Trump is the sole patriot among a collection of criminals, you piece of subhuman garbage.

Only if you are a total imbecile.

Actually it was the worst part. The comment was childish. And I don't like Trump.