Replace broken attic door springs alone and under 3 minutes.You also can remove the bolts at bottom of the arm where it is connected to the steps and follow the same steps to finish .
This is one of the most helpful videos I have ever seen. To add a small tip of my own: no need to remove the rivet. Just loosen the bolt right below it.
Quarters or washers work great for this. No reason to grind anything or to take it apart. Pop in about 20 to 30 quarters or washers into the spring with a pliers. Then close the attic door to attach the spring. Open the attic door and they all fall out. Easy.
If the door is closed, how do you reach the spring to attach it? Unless you have a second person close the door while you are inside the attic where you can then reach and attach the spring. The second person then opens it to let you out.
Thank you!!! I just took the bottom bolt off but I wouldn’t have figured that out without this video! I was struggling for hours trying to pull that spring!
Thank you so much Parviz! Like the other guys said you’re a lifesaver. I posted a video, I made a slight alteration in your process (removed the lower bolt, and reinforce the ladder with a rope) I don’t wanna make anybody feel bad but the “insert quarters” doesn’t seem easier, can’t imagine how many quarters I would’ve had to put in the spring then I still would’ve had to lean over the retracted ladder while up in the attic to try to pull the spring (out away from me) onto the lever! I would’ve needed four arms to perform that task. The “get up in the attic”, concept is unworkable, I tried getting up in the attic and retracting the ladder/door, I would have had to position my body at the other end of the ladder opening in order to pull the spring hard enough to extend it but it would’ve been extremely difficult to crawl over to the other end with the open insulation and joists, the ladder retracted with only one spring holding it up and with the roof pitch coming down in that area and then I would’ve been completely covered with insulation fibers, I HATE getting fiberglass insulation on me, may have been possible but it certainly would not have been easier even if it were out in the clear in the middle of the attic I am sure that spring would’ve been a bear to pull to extend it and then hook the end on the lever, i’m sure I would’ve again needed four arms to do that. I have no assistant and no way to get an assistant, I had to do this by myself! Yours truly is the only and easiest way to perform that repair! Like the other guys said I was wracking my brain trying to figure out a way to do it and then it occurred to me to look on RUclips and “bing bong!” there you are. Thank you so much! I posted two videos. I gave them similar titles to your videos so hopefully they would pop up together in a search. ruclips.net/video/soUtTeVK5ts/видео.html ruclips.net/video/i83Yb-EgNBQ/видео.html
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! I worked on mine for 30 min with no success… watched your video and thought “isnt that what I was doing???” NOPE! You’re right! There’s only one way to do it. I was close but it was SO easy once I watched your video!
An even easier way is to undo the single nut and bolt that attaches the bottom of that same strut thingy to the ladder side rail. Leave the two pivoting struts connected. No need to drill or grind the rivet.
Thank Parviz for this very useful video. When I realised I was going to have to stretch the spring, and then realised how hard that was going to be , I was pretty lost as to how I was going to do it but your suggestion worked fine. I was lucky because the bottom of the mechanism was attached to the stairs with a nut and bolt so I didn't have to grind the linkage but your principle worked worked very well. Thanks again.
Or have one person in the attic and one person on the ground holding the door closed. This brings the levers and spring back close enough to manually stretch and hook back up without any grinding bolts or extra work. 1 minute tops.
Thank you so much! Was completely stressed thinking I had to replace whole loft ladder. The springs fired out because the metal bar behind the ladder has come off! I can see the bolt holes, but no signs of any bolts so will tackle that first and then the springs. Thanks again for very clear pictures.
Climb up the ladder and rig a way to pull it closed, or have a partner push the thing closed. You can reattach or install spring with out disassembling anything. Just takes a little muscle work. Just did it.
I can't thank you enough. My "Big Boy" pull down stairs(that means two joist spaces) has been sagging about 4". There is another hole in the arm that would apply more tension and I had planned a major wrestling match with it in the small space between the stairs and the frame. After seeing your video, I found that my connecting arm is attached with a bolt to the rail of the stairs. Too easy. The predrilled hole didn't provide enough tension, so I drilled another. Door now closes well. You must be a genius.
hell, had to replace one of these years ago and spent two hours figuring out a way i could pull the damn spring hard enough to fit. didn't have someone there to help hold the ladder up so it was extra fun.
@@Michael-de4fj I just did this job last night. I mounted a pulley on the inside of the hatch opening, in line with the spring. I ran a rope through the pulley. Attached to the rope was a skein of about twelve loops of super strong nylon sailmaker's thread. I got into the attic and pulled the ladder/door closed. I put the loop over the loose end of the spring. Then my wife put all of her weight on that rope, stretching out the spring. I had to assist tugging on the end of the spring to get it to catch on the mechanism. Once it was hooked on, my wife slacked off on the rope and I used a knife to cut all the nylon threads so I could remove them. It was a very tough job. Then I thought, "I wonder if there's a video on RUclips about how to do this?" ...DOH! Wish I'd thought of RUclips sooner!
I wish he would have shown the actual reassembly. I think when you attempt to pull the strut attached to the frame down to reconnect it to the strut on the stairs after you have reinstalled the spring, that will put tension on the spring. Unless you have enough slack to line the holes up and put the bolt back in, it might be too hard to expand the spring by hand. The idea below about using quarters or washers to extend the spring is brilliant. Another way I've seen to replace a spring is to get into the attic with the stairs closed, hence less tension on the spring then, voila easy replacement.
Parviz. This is absolutely fantastic - I spent more time trying to figure out how to do this than it really took me after watching your video. On my staircase, below the joint (fastener) your grounded off, the lower section attached directly to the stairs with a bolt. Removed the bolt and fixed in 30 seconds. I have now renamed the staircase to the Parviz Elevator!!!!!!
Par Oz, Hi you are a godsend for me! I thought all I needed to do was close the attic door while I was up there and reattach the 9” coil! No go! Those coils are packed with resistance and tension! Anyway, your video saved me a lot of research and grief! You’re a good man! Thank you my friend!
Hi thanks for posting. I need to replace the hinge on mine since the arm warped and the bolt holding arm to the pivot plate snapped. We look to have the same door which doesn't appear to be a Werner. What type is yours do you know pls?
ZwhoHeBe929 , hi my friend, there are three major companies that make attic stairs, werner, fakro and loisville , unfortunately I did not see any name on the one that I worked on but when I purchased the springs in Home depot on line I was told that is a werner 9 inch spring, I am sorry that I couldn't be of any help .
Can anyone please tell me the best place to find replacement springs?? I’ve tried Home Depot and local hardware stores but to no avail. It’s even hard trying to find the springs online.
Wouldn’t it be easier to do it top side. Get in the attic and close the door. I haven’t done one of these but it seems like it would be easier if you did it from the attic with the door closed.
How did you release the spring tension to begin with? My situation has a tight spring and I cannot disconnect it even with door shut. No bolts to remove.
If you don't have the bolt at the bottom to take out and release the arm, then grind the little bolt and release the upper arm , be careful there will be a tension on the spring. After releasing the arm and moving it towards up , the spring will be released.
@@lafredahollins3536 no I don't. If it has a name it's something obscure but it's a pretty simple thing if we're talking about the same part. You could probably go to the hardware store and take a picture of the one from the other side or just find something like an eye bolt that would serve the purpose of hooking the spring to the bar.
Thank you. Not only did you help me attached spring easy, I didn't get injured because of you :)
Thank you so much! Was struggling for hours trying to figure this out. The solution was so simple! After you explained it 😂
This is one of the most helpful videos I have ever seen. To add a small tip of my own: no need to remove the rivet. Just loosen the bolt right below it.
You are absolutely right. Thank you
Quarters or washers work great for this. No reason to grind anything or to take it apart. Pop in about 20 to 30 quarters or washers into the spring with a pliers. Then close the attic door to attach the spring. Open the attic door and they all fall out. Easy.
If the door is closed, how do you reach the spring to attach it? Unless you have a second person close the door while you are inside the attic where you can then reach and attach the spring. The second person then opens it to let you out.
And what if the second person doesn't want to let you out of the attic??
Thank you!!! I just took the bottom bolt off but I wouldn’t have figured that out without this video! I was struggling for hours trying to pull that spring!
TY - a six month old problem was solved 5 minutes after watching your video - however, I simply & only
removed the bolt that is attached to the ladder
With this simple but great idea you saved me a lot of time and nervousness. I am very grateful for your video. Greetings from Hungary!
Thank you so much Parviz! Like the other guys said you’re a lifesaver. I posted a video, I made a slight alteration in your process (removed the lower bolt, and reinforce the ladder with a rope) I don’t wanna make anybody feel bad but the “insert quarters” doesn’t seem easier, can’t imagine how many quarters I would’ve had to put in the spring then I still would’ve had to lean over the retracted ladder while up in the attic to try to pull the spring (out away from me) onto the lever! I would’ve needed four arms to perform that task. The “get up in the attic”, concept is unworkable, I tried getting up in the attic and retracting the ladder/door, I would have had to position my body at the other end of the ladder opening in order to pull the spring hard enough to extend it but it would’ve been extremely difficult to crawl over to the other end with the open insulation and joists, the ladder retracted with only one spring holding it up and with the roof pitch coming down in that area and then I would’ve been completely covered with insulation fibers, I HATE getting fiberglass insulation on me, may have been possible but it certainly would not have been easier even if it were out in the clear in the middle of the attic I am sure that spring would’ve been a bear to pull to extend it and then hook the end on the lever, i’m sure I would’ve again needed four arms to do that. I have no assistant and no way to get an assistant, I had to do this by myself! Yours truly is the only and easiest way to perform that repair! Like the other guys said I was wracking my brain trying to figure out a way to do it and then it occurred to me to look on RUclips and “bing bong!” there you are. Thank you so much!
I posted two videos. I gave them similar titles to your videos so hopefully they would pop up together in a search.
ruclips.net/video/soUtTeVK5ts/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/i83Yb-EgNBQ/видео.html
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
I worked on mine for 30 min with no success… watched your video and thought “isnt that what I was doing???” NOPE! You’re right! There’s only one way to do it. I was close but it was SO easy once I watched your video!
I really appreciate the information about the attic spring replacement Thank you so much M Durham
An even easier way is to undo the single nut and bolt that attaches the bottom of that same strut thingy to the ladder side rail. Leave the two pivoting struts connected. No need to drill or grind the rivet.
Thank you for you tip, saved me some time on the grinding of the ribots.
Thank you. This worked. Very easy too.
Thank Parviz for this very useful video. When I realised I was going to have to stretch the spring, and then realised how hard that was going to be , I was pretty lost as to how I was going to do it but your suggestion worked fine. I was lucky because the bottom of the mechanism was attached to the stairs with a nut and bolt so I didn't have to grind the linkage but your principle worked worked very well. Thanks again.
Or have one person in the attic and one person on the ground holding the door closed. This brings the levers and spring back close enough to manually stretch and hook back up without any grinding bolts or extra work. 1 minute tops.
For sure.
It definitely doesn’t work on ours, spring still miles away from being able to connect it!
Thank you so much! Was completely stressed thinking I had to replace whole loft ladder. The springs fired out because the metal bar behind the ladder has come off! I can see the bolt holes, but no signs of any bolts so will tackle that first and then the springs.
Thanks again for very clear pictures.
You’re the man I was about to buy an aluminum one lol
Thanks! That made it easy. You are right, next to impossible to stretch those .
Climb up the ladder and rig a way to pull it closed, or have a partner push the thing closed. You can reattach or install spring with out disassembling anything. Just takes a little muscle work. Just did it.
Thank you, my spring popped loose and this saved me.
If this works instead of what I was going to do.
Then I’ll be sending you a big fat steak Sir 😂🙌🏼
PErfect. Just what I needed and it made a one man job so much easier.
David Barger , thank you, so happy you benefited from the post .
I can't thank you enough. My "Big Boy" pull down stairs(that means two joist spaces) has been sagging about 4". There is another hole in the arm that would apply more tension and I had planned a major wrestling match with it in the small space between the stairs and the frame. After seeing your video, I found that my connecting arm is attached with a bolt to the rail of the stairs. Too easy. The predrilled hole didn't provide enough tension, so I drilled another. Door now closes well. You must be a genius.
Andrew Duff , I am so happy you could benefit from my humble post .
Thanks so much for this video! My J bolt broke, and I had no idea how to fix it.
Thanks brother. I knew there was a way to leverage it but wasn’t coming to me lol
Thanks very much. This was very helpful and the only way to get it done.
You saved me some trouble man. Thanks!
Alex Ziegler so happy I could humbly serve.
Dude this video really saved my butt from getting in trouble with my old lady. Thanks man.
Thank You so much!!!! Getting ready to help my son repair his broken spring this week.
Thank you, this was helpful!
hell, had to replace one of these years ago and spent two hours figuring out a way i could pull the damn spring hard enough to fit. didn't have someone there to help hold the ladder up so it was extra fun.
How did you do it
@@Michael-de4fj I just did this job last night. I mounted a pulley on the inside of the hatch opening, in line with the spring. I ran a rope through the pulley. Attached to the rope was a skein of about twelve loops of super strong nylon sailmaker's thread. I got into the attic and pulled the ladder/door closed. I put the loop over the loose end of the spring. Then my wife put all of her weight on that rope, stretching out the spring. I had to assist tugging on the end of the spring to get it to catch on the mechanism. Once it was hooked on, my wife slacked off on the rope and I used a knife to cut all the nylon threads so I could remove them. It was a very tough job.
Then I thought, "I wonder if there's a video on RUclips about how to do this?" ...DOH! Wish I'd thought of RUclips sooner!
I wish he would have shown the actual reassembly. I think when you attempt to pull the strut attached to the frame down to reconnect it to the strut on the stairs after you have reinstalled the spring, that will put tension on the spring. Unless you have enough slack to line the holes up and put the bolt back in, it might be too hard to expand the spring by hand. The idea below about using quarters or washers to extend the spring is brilliant. Another way I've seen to replace a spring is to get into the attic with the stairs closed, hence less tension on the spring then, voila easy replacement.
Can you share video with me olease
clever!
you are great. no one elase comes close. thank you thomas toth
Thanks for sharing your method!
Check to see if the whole metal part can be removed from door hatch. Much easier than drilling out a rivet.
Parviz. This is absolutely fantastic - I spent more time trying to figure out how to do this than it really took me after watching your video.
On my staircase, below the joint (fastener) your grounded off, the lower section attached directly to the stairs with a bolt. Removed the bolt and fixed in 30 seconds.
I have now renamed the staircase to the Parviz Elevator!!!!!!
Bob Kot ,thank you so very much , you are very kind .
This was awesome. Thank you
Jess Carbajal, Thanks for this info, but how do you replace the hinges and reuse the existing pivot plate? thanks for your feed back.
Got a better 1, climb up after undueing screw, then need to extend spring much. Job done!
Par Oz, Hi you are a godsend for me! I thought all I needed to do was close the attic door while I was up there and reattach the 9” coil! No go! Those coils are packed with resistance and tension! Anyway, your video saved me a lot of research and grief! You’re a good man! Thank you my friend!
Brother, I am so happy that I was able to serve.
Another easier way is simply to take the single bolt and nut at the end of the arm out individually and change the spring with the same process.
life saver man!
Doing one today... I will comment afterwards
Thanks. Fixed in 2 minutes!!
Great!
Genius
Rivet on support bracket that holds arm broke off. How do you replace it since it's riveted on to wood?
yeah man, easier said than done! seeing is believing! This video would have been much nicer to see you do this in less than 3 minutes.
I absolutely agree.... why didn't you actually show how you did it?????
Hi thanks for posting. I need to replace the hinge on mine since the arm warped and the bolt holding arm to the pivot plate snapped. We look to have the same door which doesn't appear to be a Werner. What type is yours do you know pls?
ZwhoHeBe929 , hi my friend, there are three major companies that make attic stairs, werner, fakro and loisville , unfortunately I did not see any name on the one that I worked on but when I purchased the springs in Home depot on line I was told that is a werner 9 inch spring, I am sorry that I couldn't be of any help .
Parviz Azar thank you Parviz
Very informative.. j/k
Thanks for the view
You can do it if your up in the attic
Can anyone please tell me the best place to find replacement springs?? I’ve tried Home Depot and local hardware stores but to no avail. It’s even hard trying to find the springs online.
Granger should have them . Or garage supply places .
Granger should have them or garage door supply store
Wouldn’t it be easier to do it top side. Get in the attic and close the door. I haven’t done one of these but it seems like it would be easier if you did it from the attic with the door closed.
Sorry not possible, because the springs are what holds the door up .
How did you release the spring tension to begin with? My situation has a tight spring and I cannot disconnect it even with door shut. No bolts to remove.
If you don't have the bolt at the bottom to take out and release the arm, then grind the little bolt and release the upper arm , be careful there will be a tension on the spring. After releasing the arm and moving it towards up , the spring will be released.
Parviz Azar! I apologize for mispelling your name!
That 'little gadget' 01:42 is missing on my spring, what is that gadget called, anyone know? And, the size of the 'bolt' 02:15 ?
This is the same thing I'm trying to figure out. I only have one and I'm wondering it it has to be on both sides.
@@lafredahollins3536 yep, both sides. it probably went flying when the spring snapped.
@@ReaganCooper thank you for responding. Do you know what it is called so that I can purchase another one?
@@lafredahollins3536 no I don't. If it has a name it's something obscure but it's a pretty simple thing if we're talking about the same part. You could probably go to the hardware store and take a picture of the one from the other side or just find something like an eye bolt that would serve the purpose of hooking the spring to the bar.
I just got up in my attic and had my son shut the door to release tension, done in 2 minutes and he let me back out
If it's so easy why didn't you put the spring in and finish the fix?
wtf...