I think its important for us to discuss issues like this, thanks Jake. And as to embracing a "celebrity" (especially one who really isnt vegan)for the publicity he or she might generate for " veganism" (apparently this is a loosely-defined term for this event's promoters) is a shallow motivation and one that will eventually backfire on our movement.
i talk about it moral consitancy with intelectual honesty, but moral dilema of "if a lie save many life , how much a liar you wanna be" how Ahimsa (lowest possible suffering for all sentient being) make the dilema of "can you hurt 1 to save 1000" is it mathematic or "can you not save 1 to save 1000" legaly forced to save a carnist dying troley dilema, if you dont push the lever, the carnist gonna propagate 100 carnist that eat 100 000 animal saving a carnist cause tons of suffering
i explain it in detail : the paradox of saving a life that kill many life or the irony of killing a life that would kill many life ethical dilema ruclips.net/video/9NnjEgC4bqc/видео.html
Good questions. Snitching is a problem, we've had a mixed bag of snitching this last few years in the UK, which seems to be tied in with the newer/social media based movement. There seems to be a real lack of awareness of what snitching is, the forms it can take and the implications of it. I think it's down to us older and more experienced activists to reinforce the issue and explain it, probably as part of a wider security culture philosophy (newbies also seem pretty unaware of security too, smartphone tech, talking in buildings and over phones, etc etc.). Unless we tidy up the movement and re-introduce really really strict etiquette around snitching I expect to see lots more problems. We need maybe something very strong to put it in place, for example, in Manchester, many subway walls are sprayed with 'snitches get stitches', can't argue with that!!! It's pretty clear! Just sayin......
Yeah, what a shame. He won't because capitalism, but imagine the positive impact if Ross made his restaurant chain into a vegan version, renowned for their plant-based wings.
It makes no sense to me that supposedly the people doing open rescue are more “honest” and/or stand by their actions more than activists who concealed their identity and did essentially the same thing… Why is it less honest when groups like the ALF rescue animals from labs and do it while concealing their identity? Personally I see the latter as more honest because only someone with very pure intentions would engage in this without recognition, whereas with the recognition… the intention behind the action starts to get muddied with people’s egos, activist celebrity status bs, etc.
I was at the action where the police were called. I live in Mexico and can not take high-risk action. I was in a car with 3 immigrants. The person who called the police puts us all at risk. I can't believe there are people in the movement supporting this behavior...people who have been called potential infiltrators in the past. Thanks for talking about this because I have been floored that the calling of the police was being falsely justified.
@@thecrankyvegan Thank you. We didn't know about it until after the fact but it definitely put everyone on high alert for future actions and will likely deter people from taking direct action in their own cities, I'm sure. We can't even trust our own "allies" and this is exactly what those snitches want.
The person who called the police is the survivor of a DXE human trafficking scam. Nathalia isn't an infiltrator, and she didn't put you at risk. She called police well in advance of the scheduled action, as a way of preventing a dangerous situation before it happened. Nobody claims that her calling the police was the right choice. But it's understandable why she did it, and she deserves sympathy, something that your narcissistic sociopath high control group can't understand. And Jake, why are you blindly consuming the DXE narrative? Did you at least try to talk with the trafficking victim who called the police and hear her story?
I'm the last person to blindly consume a DXE narrative. You don't have to look far to find my feelings on their strategies and tactics. But both sides of this story has said the same thing - she called the police to try and stop an "illegal" action activists were doing in order to stop something she felt was dangerous and disagreed with. In a situation like that, IMO, that's snitching (I didn't say she was an informant, and nor would I with the information presented) The other pieces of her story sound tragic and, honestly, doesn't really surprise me. But it doesn't excuse the action of calling the police on other activists because you don't want them to engage in an action.
@@thecrankyvegan Yeah I know. I've been watching for years. Even though we don't agree on everything, we don't have to. But I respect your unbiased opinion in this situation because the calling the police aspect is being buried under many false allegations that change daily.
Reminds me of when the Save Movement took credit for the closure of the Farmer John's slaughterhouse in LA. Nothing inherently wrong with having vigils outside of slaughterhouses I suppose, but they had absolutely no impact on the place closing down and anyone who believes they did is deluding themselves.
I was part of the Farmer John vigils pre-Covid, and I made a video about it. I joined the activists a few times during the last week that the facility was open. I was aware that they were just going to stay in business by shifting operations to another, probably “Red” and/or anti-worker state. Depressing.
"World vegan domination" anyone with some basic understanding of political struggle would see how cringe that language is. I feel it's so important to keep the antispeciesist struggle rooted in left-wing ideology. Otherwise we will become more and more isolated from other liberation struggles and continue being co-opted by capitalism and reactionary mindsets. Thanks for calling out rick Ross for being a screw. No liberation movement should be associated with cops and screws
I’m going to have a good chuckle when the docs and docuseries start dropping the truth about DxE, and everyone defending them is going to have to issue apology statements.
Excellent critique as always. My take: Fuck a snitch. And regardless of what, if any, role DXE played in the racetrack's decision to relocate, I hope that the movement takes the decision as a challenge to stop the building of the new location.
I came here to see if you would post the Rick Ross almond milk video. But since you didn't, please search Rick Ross almond milk if you haven't seen it 😂
Open Rescue appears to have so much potential that for those willing to do those actions should pursue it to see where it can take us. We will probably know in 5ish years the effect it will have. They are riding the recent not-guilty verdicts. If those verdicts keep happening and open rescue becomes bigger, I could see it as a major tactic. If those recent verdicts were "guilty" verdicts, Open Rescue would already be dead.
Open Rescue has been going on for decades, all around the world, including in the United States - it's not a new tactic or strategy by any stretch. But what if it becomes a major tactic? Does that mean more rescued animals? And if so, where do they all go? Who funds their lifelong care? Who is doing the lifelong care? I'm very pro-liberation, but using it as a major tactic doesn't seem feasible or realistic. And if the goal is to document or reveal or disrupt these places with open rescue - then, again, we have been doing that for decades as well. A "right to rescue" doesn't really change that.
Also, it's important to know that the person who called the police originally said it was because she felt Wayne was a predator and she wanted to protect woman from him. This is what she told someone before the public became aware of what happened and now they are actively changing the narrative to look better.
@@homie3461 I wouldn't like to speculate, but they all sound plausible, as I've seen them all, over decades in the UK movement. One thing I know for sure is that none of it has anything to do with animal liberation and therefore is a distraction from the struggle!!
aren't integrity and honesty, somewhat, the same thing? anyway, I agree that vegan activism would benefit from more integrity. the movement is full of narcissists who always put themselves first and whose only goal is to constantly intimidate and remind their supporters how the activism directly depends on the amount of money paid into their Patreon account.
i disagree you can have integrity in your goal you dont share and lie about. like activist that get hired in slaughtehouse :) that leave a bad trace on the movement of "stop exploiting animal in 1000 years plz, we will wait with sign " but im just imagining potential fictional situation of course
damaging equipement cause no suffering to sentient being, only to wallet of unethical cruelt megalomaniac egoistic compagny compagny dont feel pain. ;D afl dosent exist. xvx is a myth. i was not here.
Veganism has major problems with integrity. That should be obvious when you argue against animal existence whilst claiming it is for the animals. Still - enjoyed your video and delivery.
This video definitely has some moral dilemmas to think about. When it comes to Rick Ross that's up for debate. Wingstop's website seems to be pretty pleased with its charities of grants and scholarships and its work in the community. So, the idea that the company is taking money from its sales and putting it back into the community is great, and maybe he should be someone whose ideas we pay attention to. I would classify him as a person to watch, but not to put up on a pedestal.
Killing birds to help the community is pretty weird. Obviously that community doesn't include animals, which makes this guy a total no no for a vegan event, isn't it??! Not that I'm even into these vegan events in the first place. When did vegan fairs become more important than actual real activism, oh man, this movement is seriously off track. Fuck his restaurants, in the old days we would have smashed them all up. That's the only thought I have regarding Rick Floss or whatever and whoever he is, he ain't part of our movement and TBH I'm not sure the organisers of that event are.
Whoever that snitch is I hope karma bites her on the bum one day and sometimes it actually does ! Leave the movement lady you are obviously not on the side of the animals.
I think some of them have value, particularly when they are combined with a sustained pressure campaign instead of an "animal rights now" type of thing.
DXE and honesty don't belong in the same sentence. The young woman from South America whom you call a "snitch," Nathalia N. G., was the target of a DXE human trafficking scam, whereby Wayne Hsiung suggested she marry either Paul P or Rocky C, so she could get a green card. Perhaps you should have some sympathy for this young cult survivor, who might not understand the problems of police culture in the USA? Maybe she felt frustrated, with no other way of exposing a corrupt organization than to call the police? You can disagree with her choice, but please don't label a sex-trafficking victim as a "snitch." That's just part of the twisted DXE narrative. DXE is well known for recruitment via green card marriage. For example, Almira Tanner got her green card by a scam marriage to DXE co-founder C Van Breen. Almira took a plea deal in this case back in January to avoid deportation, as reported in the _Santa Rosa Press Democrat_.
What did I tell you about how they’d defend it? “It’s legal!” They cry! As they also scream “legality is not morality!” 🤭 If old ass farmers had a culture of pursuing young women who are barely legal, you know they would use that as a central talking point to denounce the industry. Especially if they were doing it to convince people in poor countries to work for them for poverty wages, no support, and no benefits.
@@joshbaldwin42 Offering a common path to citizenship to someone who had interest in moving to the US is not even remotely near trafficking especially when she was literally already romantically involved with the person. These people are totally twisting their narrative because they're just upset at DxE. Their delusion is going to be people hurt but they're just on a vengeful path for personal reasons whilst totally weaponizing the Me Too movement.
@@andrea4liberation A "snitch" is someone who expects to receive special benefits by informing on individual person(s). Nathalia didn't expect to receive any such benefits. The term "whistleblower" could be a more accurate term for her, as she called authorities on a multi-million dollar organization (not individuals), simply because she believed (rightly or wrongly) that it was the ethical thing to do.
DxE has been protesting GGFfor years. They have been on local CBS radio and TV here in San Francisco for some awesome protests, like lying down on the field. Did they alone cause the projected closure? No, and they never claimed to be the sole reason. The entire Berkeley community has been complaining. Give credit where credit is due, Cranky. No activist can claim 100% victory on any issue, especially you. Berkeley, thanks to DxE, is the world's first and only city to open an official Animal Rights Center. I suggest you jump on a plane and visit the center and join celebrate the closing of this racetrack-from-hell...and please lose the superiority complex.
I’m happy this place has closed - but I wouldn’t kid ourselves into thinking that animal rights activists had much, if anything, to do with it. They’ve been trying to sell this place off since 2011. Secondly ARC says they are the first community center for animal rights in the US. Which, coincidentally, it isn’t. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a cool thing! But it most certainly isn’t the first one in the world - there have been dozens and dozens for decades around the globe. Including in the US, like Liberation Collective in Portland back in the mid-90s. So perhaps you should be the one giving credit where credit is due. As you’re kinda making my point for me.
@@thecrankyvegan They may have been trying to "sell this place" for 10 yrs.(no evidence of that), but obviously unable to do so. All the recent news coverage of the increasing abuse and murder of horses both at GGF and at other tracks, have put the nail in the coffin. DxE played a big role. Did the Cranky Vegan take part in such a protest? Please send me the video. Also, where do I find the calendar of events for these dozens and dozens of AR centers?
@@homie3461 It is a city sanctioned building now used as a center for Animal Rights, with presentations, vegan information and campouts, gatherings for conferences, etc.Berkeley Animal Rights Center West (2414 6th St, Berkeley)
@@homie3461 Here's the scoop on Berkeley's ARCs "The first community center for animal rights in the US, now with 2 locations: ARC West & ARC Campus!" They have a 2nd ARC on the UCB campus. I was told that both are supported only by donations, and knowing the Berkeley community, there are many.
@@thecrankyvegan "It's possible to talk to someone without any lies, with no sarcasms, no deceptions, no exaggerations or any of the things that people use to confuse the truth." All I'm saying is what you're doing in this seemingly insignificant case, is very similar to what animal-ag does with happy-cows and humane-slaughter. It starts by accepting tiny, white, sarcastic lies, and then it expands into an animal holocaust. You call yourself vegan. Try being vegan with your language.
I think its important for us to discuss issues like this, thanks Jake.
And as to embracing a "celebrity" (especially one who really isnt vegan)for the publicity he or she might generate for
" veganism" (apparently this is a loosely-defined term for this event's promoters) is a shallow motivation and one that will eventually backfire on our movement.
i talk about it moral consitancy with intelectual honesty, but moral dilema of "if a lie save many life , how much a liar you wanna be"
how Ahimsa (lowest possible suffering for all sentient being) make the dilema of "can you hurt 1 to save 1000" is it mathematic
or "can you not save 1 to save 1000" legaly forced to save a carnist dying
troley dilema, if you dont push the lever, the carnist gonna propagate 100 carnist that eat 100 000 animal
saving a carnist cause tons of suffering
There definitely has to be integrity in activism. Otherwise, we lose credibility in the movement.
Agreed.
i explain it in detail : the paradox of saving a life that kill many life
or the irony of killing a life that would kill many life
ethical dilema
ruclips.net/video/9NnjEgC4bqc/видео.html
Good questions. Snitching is a problem, we've had a mixed bag of snitching this last few years in the UK, which seems to be tied in with the newer/social media based movement. There seems to be a real lack of awareness of what snitching is, the forms it can take and the implications of it. I think it's down to us older and more experienced activists to reinforce the issue and explain it, probably as part of a wider security culture philosophy (newbies also seem pretty unaware of security too, smartphone tech, talking in buildings and over phones, etc etc.). Unless we tidy up the movement and re-introduce really really strict etiquette around snitching I expect to see lots more problems. We need maybe something very strong to put it in place, for example, in Manchester, many subway walls are sprayed with 'snitches get stitches', can't argue with that!!! It's pretty clear! Just sayin......
Whenever I think of lack of integrity I cannot help but think of James Aspey and his Crypto scams awhile ago.
That was next level scammer shit.
You make some really good points. Thank you for all you do!
It's a shame that "wing stop" could be the perfect name for a vegan wing chain, to stop wings from being used as objects for human pleasure.
Yeah, what a shame. He won't because capitalism, but imagine the positive impact if Ross made his restaurant chain into a vegan version, renowned for their plant-based wings.
It makes no sense to me that supposedly the people doing open rescue are more “honest” and/or stand by their actions more than activists who concealed their identity and did essentially the same thing…
Why is it less honest when groups like the ALF rescue animals from labs and do it while concealing their identity? Personally I see the latter as more honest because only someone with very pure intentions would engage in this without recognition, whereas with the recognition… the intention behind the action starts to get muddied with people’s egos, activist celebrity status bs, etc.
I was at the action where the police were called. I live in Mexico and can not take high-risk action. I was in a car with 3 immigrants. The person who called the police puts us all at risk. I can't believe there are people in the movement supporting this behavior...people who have been called potential infiltrators in the past. Thanks for talking about this because I have been floored that the calling of the police was being falsely justified.
I'm sorry that happened to you - i'm sure that was quite scary. And I'm shocked as well that this behavior would be supported.
@@thecrankyvegan Thank you. We didn't know about it until after the fact but it definitely put everyone on high alert for future actions and will likely deter people from taking direct action in their own cities, I'm sure. We can't even trust our own "allies" and this is exactly what those snitches want.
The person who called the police is the survivor of a DXE human trafficking scam. Nathalia isn't an infiltrator, and she didn't put you at risk. She called police well in advance of the scheduled action, as a way of preventing a dangerous situation before it happened. Nobody claims that her calling the police was the right choice. But it's understandable why she did it, and she deserves sympathy, something that your narcissistic sociopath high control group can't understand.
And Jake, why are you blindly consuming the DXE narrative? Did you at least try to talk with the trafficking victim who called the police and hear her story?
I'm the last person to blindly consume a DXE narrative. You don't have to look far to find my feelings on their strategies and tactics. But both sides of this story has said the same thing - she called the police to try and stop an "illegal" action activists were doing in order to stop something she felt was dangerous and disagreed with.
In a situation like that, IMO, that's snitching (I didn't say she was an informant, and nor would I with the information presented) The other pieces of her story sound tragic and, honestly, doesn't really surprise me. But it doesn't excuse the action of calling the police on other activists because you don't want them to engage in an action.
@@thecrankyvegan Yeah I know. I've been watching for years. Even though we don't agree on everything, we don't have to. But I respect your unbiased opinion in this situation because the calling the police aspect is being buried under many false allegations that change daily.
Reminds me of when the Save Movement took credit for the closure of the Farmer John's slaughterhouse in LA. Nothing inherently wrong with having vigils outside of slaughterhouses I suppose, but they had absolutely no impact on the place closing down and anyone who believes they did is deluding themselves.
I was part of the Farmer John vigils pre-Covid, and I made a video about it. I joined the activists a few times during the last week that the facility was open. I was aware that they were just going to stay in business by shifting operations to another, probably “Red” and/or anti-worker state. Depressing.
"World vegan domination" anyone with some basic understanding of political struggle would see how cringe that language is.
I feel it's so important to keep the antispeciesist struggle rooted in left-wing ideology. Otherwise we will become more and more isolated from other liberation struggles and continue being co-opted by capitalism and reactionary mindsets.
Thanks for calling out rick Ross for being a screw. No liberation movement should be associated with cops and screws
What's your problem with the police ?
@@censoredcomments404 they chose to be the attack dogs of the state.
@@ashhorne2131and people like you ate the reason vegans get labelled as bad
@jonahwhale9047 two of the worst humans hiding behind veganism ,,you and Mr whale do not represent veganism ......
Don't disagree with your main points--the Rick Ross thing is almost ludicrous--so thanks for posting!
KRS1 as a special guest
Don't they control America, and some dodgy businesses
“Does this start with Rock Ross?” Stranger things have happened, I guess
Like when we thought it was going to be Beyonce leading the vegan revolution...
Had no idea who Rick Ross was till Vegandale....went about calling him Ricky Rocky Roo all day 😅
I’m going to have a good chuckle when the docs and docuseries start dropping the truth about DxE, and everyone defending them is going to have to issue apology statements.
Definitely agree with you that disingenuous and dishonest tactics should not be part of promoting veganism and animal rights.
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Excellent critique as always. My take: Fuck a snitch. And regardless of what, if any, role DXE played in the racetrack's decision to relocate, I hope that the movement takes the decision as a challenge to stop the building of the new location.
...as in, "if you double-down on exploiting animals, then we double-down on shutting you down"
Hi All!
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I came here to see if you would post the Rick Ross almond milk video. But since you didn't, please search Rick Ross almond milk if you haven't seen it 😂
I know nothing of this video! i need to go find it.
Not a great video - you aren’t missing anything 😅
Open Rescue appears to have so much potential that for those willing to do those actions should pursue it to see where it can take us. We will probably know in 5ish years the effect it will have. They are riding the recent not-guilty verdicts. If those verdicts keep happening and open rescue becomes bigger, I could see it as a major tactic. If those recent verdicts were "guilty" verdicts, Open Rescue would already be dead.
Open Rescue has been going on for decades, all around the world, including in the United States - it's not a new tactic or strategy by any stretch. But what if it becomes a major tactic? Does that mean more rescued animals? And if so, where do they all go? Who funds their lifelong care? Who is doing the lifelong care? I'm very pro-liberation, but using it as a major tactic doesn't seem feasible or realistic. And if the goal is to document or reveal or disrupt these places with open rescue - then, again, we have been doing that for decades as well. A "right to rescue" doesn't really change that.
Also, it's important to know that the person who called the police originally said it was because she felt Wayne was a predator and she wanted to protect woman from him. This is what she told someone before the public became aware of what happened and now they are actively changing the narrative to look better.
Messy. Who even calls the police about ANYTHING??! Not anyone in the movement I'm part of.
@@homie3461 I wouldn't like to speculate, but they all sound plausible, as I've seen them all, over decades in the UK movement. One thing I know for sure is that none of it has anything to do with animal liberation and therefore is a distraction from the struggle!!
aren't integrity and honesty, somewhat, the same thing? anyway, I agree that vegan activism would benefit from more integrity. the movement is full of narcissists who always put themselves first and whose only goal is to constantly intimidate and remind their supporters how the activism directly depends on the amount of money paid into their Patreon account.
They are kinda the same. That's true.
i disagree you can have integrity in your goal you dont share and lie about.
like activist that get hired in slaughtehouse :)
that leave a bad trace on the movement of "stop exploiting animal in 1000 years plz, we will wait with sign "
but im just imagining potential fictional situation of course
damaging equipement cause no suffering to sentient being, only to wallet of unethical cruelt megalomaniac egoistic compagny
compagny dont feel pain. ;D afl dosent exist. xvx is a myth.
i was not here.
Hey Dude! You are a pretentious troublemaker. What would you know about integrity. You are not a vegan.🌱
@@thecrankyvegan Be advised that v.a.n.e. is an inveterate carnist troll at vegan RUclips.
Slick beard
It's fake. I glue it on before every video.
I don't know what to say...
...or did I?
YOU ALWAYS KNOW WHAT TO SAY!
Veganism has major problems with integrity.
That should be obvious when you argue against animal existence whilst claiming it is for the animals.
Still - enjoyed your video and delivery.
Snitches get stitches.
This video definitely has some moral dilemmas to think about. When it comes to Rick Ross that's up for debate. Wingstop's website seems to be pretty pleased with its charities of grants and scholarships and its work in the community. So, the idea that the company is taking money from its sales and putting it back into the community is great, and maybe he should be someone whose ideas we pay attention to. I would classify him as a person to watch, but not to put up on a pedestal.
"classify him as a person to watch, but not to put up on a pedestal": A healthy mindset to have toward vegan or pro-animal celebrities in general
Killing birds to help the community is pretty weird. Obviously that community doesn't include animals, which makes this guy a total no no for a vegan event, isn't it??! Not that I'm even into these vegan events in the first place. When did vegan fairs become more important than actual real activism, oh man, this movement is seriously off track. Fuck his restaurants, in the old days we would have smashed them all up. That's the only thought I have regarding Rick Floss or whatever and whoever he is, he ain't part of our movement and TBH I'm not sure the organisers of that event are.
Whoever that snitch is I hope karma bites her on the bum one day and sometimes it actually does ! Leave the movement lady you are obviously not on the side of the animals.
Animal Rising and their "open actions" im not a fan
I think some of them have value, particularly when they are combined with a sustained pressure campaign instead of an "animal rights now" type of thing.
What's wrong with being a prison guard?
DXE and honesty don't belong in the same sentence. The young woman from South America whom you call a "snitch," Nathalia N. G., was the target of a DXE human trafficking scam, whereby Wayne Hsiung suggested she marry either Paul P or Rocky C, so she could get a green card. Perhaps you should have some sympathy for this young cult survivor, who might not understand the problems of police culture in the USA? Maybe she felt frustrated, with no other way of exposing a corrupt organization than to call the police? You can disagree with her choice, but please don't label a sex-trafficking victim as a "snitch." That's just part of the twisted DXE narrative.
DXE is well known for recruitment via green card marriage. For example, Almira Tanner got her green card by a scam marriage to DXE co-founder C Van Breen. Almira took a plea deal in this case back in January to avoid deportation, as reported in the _Santa Rosa Press Democrat_.
Not surprised a snitch supporter is snitching about past green card marriages of the group between consenting adults...
What did I tell you about how they’d defend it? “It’s legal!” They cry! As they also scream “legality is not morality!” 🤭
If old ass farmers had a culture of pursuing young women who are barely legal, you know they would use that as a central talking point to denounce the industry.
Especially if they were doing it to convince people in poor countries to work for them for poverty wages, no support, and no benefits.
Saying the snitch was involved in a human trafficking scam is an insult to those involved in human trafficking scams.
@@joshbaldwin42 Offering a common path to citizenship to someone who had interest in moving to the US is not even remotely near trafficking especially when she was literally already romantically involved with the person. These people are totally twisting their narrative because they're just upset at DxE. Their delusion is going to be people hurt but they're just on a vengeful path for personal reasons whilst totally weaponizing the Me Too movement.
@@andrea4liberation A "snitch" is someone who expects to receive special benefits by informing on individual person(s). Nathalia didn't expect to receive any such benefits. The term "whistleblower" could be a more accurate term for her, as she called authorities on a multi-million dollar organization (not individuals), simply because she believed (rightly or wrongly) that it was the ethical thing to do.
DxE has been protesting GGFfor years. They have been on local CBS radio and TV here in San Francisco for some awesome protests, like lying down on the field. Did they alone cause the projected closure? No, and they never claimed to be the sole reason. The entire Berkeley community has been complaining. Give credit where credit is due, Cranky. No activist can claim 100% victory on any issue, especially you. Berkeley, thanks to DxE, is the world's first and only city to open an official Animal Rights Center. I suggest you jump on a plane and visit the center and join celebrate the closing of this racetrack-from-hell...and please lose the superiority complex.
I’m happy this place has closed - but I wouldn’t kid ourselves into thinking that animal rights activists had much, if anything, to do with it. They’ve been trying to sell this place off since 2011.
Secondly ARC says they are the first community center for animal rights in the US. Which, coincidentally, it isn’t. Doesn’t mean it isn’t a cool thing! But it most certainly isn’t the first one in the world - there have been dozens and dozens for decades around the globe. Including in the US, like Liberation Collective in Portland back in the mid-90s. So perhaps you should be the one giving credit where credit is due. As you’re kinda making my point for me.
@@thecrankyvegan They may have been trying to "sell this place" for 10 yrs.(no evidence of that), but obviously unable to do so. All the recent news coverage of the increasing abuse and murder of horses both at GGF and at other tracks, have put the nail in the coffin. DxE played a big role. Did the Cranky Vegan take part in such a protest? Please send me the video. Also, where do I find the calendar of events for these dozens and dozens of AR centers?
@@homie3461 It is a city sanctioned building now used as a center for Animal Rights, with presentations, vegan information and campouts, gatherings for conferences, etc.Berkeley Animal Rights Center West (2414 6th St, Berkeley)
@@homie3461 Here's the scoop on Berkeley's ARCs "The first community center for animal rights in the US, now with 2 locations: ARC West & ARC Campus!" They have a 2nd ARC on the UCB campus. I was told that both are supported only by donations, and knowing the Berkeley community, there are many.
> We need more INTEGRITY & HONESTY
Calls his 17-minute video "3-minute Thursdays".
This is why you can't have nice things.
Here’s a tissue to cry into 🤧
Hope you'll stay true to your own logic then and change your handle, because you're clearly not a rabbit.
@@thecrankyvegan "It's possible to talk to someone without any lies, with no sarcasms, no deceptions, no exaggerations or any of the things that people use to confuse the truth."
All I'm saying is what you're doing in this seemingly insignificant case, is very similar to what animal-ag does with happy-cows and humane-slaughter.
It starts by accepting tiny, white, sarcastic lies, and then it expands into an animal holocaust. You call yourself vegan. Try being vegan with your language.