Coming to Grips With Gravity

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  • Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
  • The mysteries of dark matter and dark energy may be evidence that we don’t fully understand the force of gravity. But when it comes to a force that has been studied mathematically and probed observationally for hundreds of years, what do we still need to learn? What questions are being asked? What research is pursued at the cutting edge? Would a new theory of gravity lead to a grand revolution in science, or do our present theories just need to be tweaked?
    This program is part of the Big Ideas Series, made possible with support from the John Templeton Foundation.
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    Original program date: June 4, 2016
    MODERATOR: Richard Panek
    PARTICIPANTS: Pedro Ferreira, David Gross, Szabolcs Marka, Rachel A Rosen, Maria Spiropulu
    Richard Panek Introduction 00:07
    What is gravity? 2:39
    A brief history of gravity 5:50
    Space is fluctuating 14:22
    Einstein and his equations 18:50
    What changes in the 60's for science 24:39
    Science and it's social development 34:19
    How does dark matter fit in to gravity? 36:00
    Why does dark energy get invoked in gravity? 48:00
    Experimenters don't care? 58:10
    What other phenomenon can create gravitational waves? 1:03:35
    Black holes are amazing 1:11:01
    Do all quantum mechanical process take place in space time? 1:18:26
    What are your thoughts on a warp drive? 1:21:50
    Does dark energy relate to dark matter? 1:22:59
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  • @WorldScienceFestival
    @WorldScienceFestival  6 лет назад +13

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    • @jennanelson5453
      @jennanelson5453 4 года назад +1

      I believe dark energy is a positive pressure exerted by the vacuum energy of space-time, and that what we are calling dark matter is merely the effects of dark energy on regular matter.
      A positive pressure exerted by space-time's vacuum energy predicts;
      -the accelerating universe
      -the expanding universe
      -we should measure there to be more mass than we can see matter being accountable for
      -matter in the center of a galaxy / cluster should have added relativistic mass, increasing its gravitational attraction, as well as its escape velocity
      -matter in the outer regions of a galaxy / cluster should be moving faster than we predict, sometimes faster than our predicted maximum orbital speed without flying out of orbit.

    • @SzymonWeiss
      @SzymonWeiss 4 года назад

      Great. Firstly though, at this level, it is not suitable to pronounce your guests' names incorrectly

    • @kleimer40
      @kleimer40 3 года назад

      That's awesome! Beyond me.. surly there's much more plains that science and spirituality could come together to become aware of.

    • @sivasliyizlagardaaasssserd6378
      @sivasliyizlagardaaasssserd6378 3 года назад

      Ok

    • @cwb0110
      @cwb0110 2 года назад

      Gonna be completely honest here;
      I indulge in psychedelics whenever I can, and when I do, this kind of stuff blows my mind, so I’ll go out on a limb and assume I’m probably not your guy. But that first dude that commented May be on to something 🤔

  • @45414
    @45414 7 лет назад +18

    Enjoyed this session, especially Szabolcs, Rachel and Maria. Their passion for science is contagious.

  • @jamesdolan4042
    @jamesdolan4042 4 года назад +23

    David being a Nobel prize winner, makes him the unquestioned God of the group. He is acting accordingly.
    The moderator should have ensured everybody got an equal say in the group.

    • @metameta1427
      @metameta1427 4 года назад +4

      I agree. This was one of the more poorly moderated professional talks I’ve seen. The moderator should lead the group and guide the topics. The guy’s moderation was almost non existent. David was just trying to fill the silence. At points it was almost cringe. Seems like the organizers opened the door and got the first guy off the street who was walking by to lead this talk. Hard to watch at times.

    • @Quark.Lepton
      @Quark.Lepton 2 года назад +1

      Shut up and stop the meta-babble. We’re lucky we ever got to see this discussion.

    • @jamesdolan4042
      @jamesdolan4042 2 года назад +1

      @@Quark.Lepton Fair enough, but everybody is entitled to an opinion, since the presentation is in the public realm. Perhaps then you could be less ignorant with your phrasing of language.

    • @Quark.Lepton
      @Quark.Lepton 2 года назад

      @@jamesdolan4042 When “opinions” are actually politically-motivated memes that help to endanger your fellow-Americans’ lives we must call them out for what they truly are. For example, elderly Vietnam Vets risked their lives and their ‘freedom’ and, even when drafted, went to war. The majority served proudly protecting our way of life. Today we have people that won’t even wear a fcking piece of cloth on their faces or get a shot to protect those same elderly Americans. We all know why they’re doing it and it has nothing to do with “freedumb”. It absolutely disgusts me.

    • @brianjames8677
      @brianjames8677 2 года назад

      @@Quark.Lepton So if we’re lucky we need to shut up? Can that be applied to all luck? Seems you didn’t think it through. So STFU!! Yes, if you don’t think before speaking or commenting, shut up.

  • @tedl7538
    @tedl7538 7 лет назад +14

    Great job Maria at 1:02:24 breaking up the schoolyard fight and pulling everything back on track!

    • @taunteratwill1787
      @taunteratwill1787 5 лет назад

      Yep, a bit late though....

    • @zackfair7913
      @zackfair7913 5 лет назад +2

      You mean great job Maria acting like a huge crazy mad cow that she actually looks like with her skulls? Ok I get your point better now. They were simply having a science discussion and this huge jealous disgusting cow intervened like she was some kind of asylum escapee ready to kill you because you wearing a white T-shirt on a white T-shirt assemble?

  • @Ebruskaya
    @Ebruskaya 2 года назад +3

    I love it when scientists say "We don't know". ❤️ How humble they are and how diligent in describing what they know and what they don't. Another precious discussion. Thank you World Science Festival.

    • @Leadership_matters
      @Leadership_matters 2 года назад +1

      I wish my boss would say that occasionally. And they are 1/2 as smart as the average person in that room!

  • @acdnan
    @acdnan 7 лет назад +77

    I watch these motherfucking videos as soon as I see the notification

    • @hanniffydinn6019
      @hanniffydinn6019 7 лет назад +3

      acdnan that makes only 2 of us

    • @armaan00007
      @armaan00007 7 лет назад +2

      me too

    • @mikeyangyang8816
      @mikeyangyang8816 7 лет назад +2

      Me too

    • @clarecardy54
      @clarecardy54 7 лет назад +1

      Yep ☝️️👍

    • @acdnan
      @acdnan 7 лет назад +5

      Seamus Mac Sir I am honored that you replied to my comment. For your comment is by far the best comment I have read the internet. Thank You

  • @MrThomasHaytes
    @MrThomasHaytes 7 лет назад +51

    "Coming to grips with Davis Gross"

    • @SsspraakForsskkarring
      @SsspraakForsskkarring 7 лет назад +1

      It's a stomach thing right? I won't google atm.

    • @SnaFubar_24
      @SnaFubar_24 4 года назад +3

      He is a bit of a dick right? At least I found him so...

    • @godfreecharlie
      @godfreecharlie 3 года назад +3

      @@SnaFubar_24 The frustration is oozing out like an odor. Control issues.

    • @SnaFubar_24
      @SnaFubar_24 3 года назад +2

      @@godfreecharlie Yes, David Gross has control issues, he can't control himself when it comes to interrupting or having the last word. He was arrogant and monopolized the conversation. I call that behaving like a bit of a dick...

    • @simesaid
      @simesaid 3 года назад +2

      Yep, complete and utter dick. Considering how massive his head must be it's a wonder it hasn't just collapsed and become a black hole.

  • @carnsoaks1
    @carnsoaks1 7 лет назад +40

    David, every time, DR, whether it be String or GR, you got to pontificate. Your slow paced syncopation, your condescension. Be it a group, or a presenter (see N.A-H in Germany of all places)
    Sure, you have the only N.P. of any living American Theoretical Particle Physicist
    BUT CANNOT YOU LEAVE SOMEONE... LET SOMEONE HAVE THE... CANNOT THE LAST WORD BE LEFT TO ANOTHER SOMETIME. CANNOT YOU NOT HIJACK A PRESENTATION, so it goes so far off topic that, people need to meet in private to talk through any idea you do not proscribe to???....
    When you are there, nothing new gets discussed, because Asymptotic Freedom was where learning ended.

    • @henriknielsen1662
      @henriknielsen1662 5 лет назад +3

      Absolutely right, David Gross is self-important and condescending and has nothing new to say. He is his surname.

    • @dougg1075
      @dougg1075 4 года назад

      Not that big a deal

    • @hyf-sd1yc
      @hyf-sd1yc 3 года назад

      Steven Weinberg is still alive, in fact more prestigious than Gross. And Glashow. Also Wilczek, who won it together with Gross. So he is definitely not the only one. Sorry about being picky.

  • @philswede
    @philswede 7 лет назад +8

    great debate and Rachel kinda outsmarted the Nobel price dude 😂

    • @wojtek_freak_of_science
      @wojtek_freak_of_science 6 лет назад +1

      You mean this condescending old man with ego of universe. His time already passed and he's annoyed and angry on every person that has other theories than his own.

    • @dantayler8911
      @dantayler8911 2 года назад +1

      Both women are annoying and are vapid!

    • @dantayler8911
      @dantayler8911 2 года назад +1

      ‘Nobel Prize’ dude is visionary and enthralling, while both women have the voice of 🐈 ‘cats mating’……… 🎤 drop! 💥

  • @-_Nuke_-
    @-_Nuke_- 7 лет назад +6

    Για σου ρε Μαρία! Δεν ξέρω αλλά νιώθω περήφανος να βλέπω Έλληνες επιστήμονες σε τέτοια πανελ! : )

  • @devrante
    @devrante 7 лет назад +12

    i like the skulls on Maria's scarf!

    • @nelox666
      @nelox666 3 года назад +2

      I like Maria.

  • @shyamsarkar7199
    @shyamsarkar7199 7 лет назад +5

    these videos are really awesome. i didn't thought it will hold me up for 1:25 hrs

  • @symonpalmer20
    @symonpalmer20 4 года назад +2

    This video is the most beautiful filmic thing, such wonderful descriptions, discussions, fluid conversation with Gravity being, well, what Gravity is, a force by which we discover more and more by simply trying to understand it's very nature. Wonderful. A RUclips video that now sits with all the most fabulous films I have seen.

  • @iTweetify
    @iTweetify 7 лет назад +71

    Had to wait 48 minutes before Rachel got the chance to speak.

    • @pronounjow
      @pronounjow 7 лет назад +5

      Yeah, but the guy said she was only there to talk about dark energy, anyway. She could have interrupted at any time if she had something else to say.

    • @zoz0boy
      @zoz0boy 7 лет назад +3

      She is a boss like that

    • @paxdriver
      @paxdriver 7 лет назад +2

      iTweetify I'm glad I scanned the comments. Thanks dude. *skip*

    • @annecorley7867
      @annecorley7867 7 лет назад +1

      She had to get her mad up

    • @moonlight.3x3
      @moonlight.3x3 7 лет назад +2

      iTweetify amen sister!

  • @neilanderson891
    @neilanderson891 4 года назад +2

    At 1:18:35, a member of the audience asks, "Do all quantum (uh) mechanical processes take place in space-time?" David Gross started talking, but even after replaying his answer several times, I'm not sure whether his answer is "yes", "no", or "we don't know". He talked about space-time, reality, manifolds, etc.
    He could have provided some clarity such as by defining "Reality" as "Any system that's run by Mother nature", and defining a "Model" as "Our best guess(es) at how Mother Nature runs one of her Systems". BTW, sometimes I think that "our best guess" may be over-stated. For example:
    A Singularity is supposedly a "dimensionless point" where scientists claim the mass of the Black Hole (let me refer to that mass as the "Kernel") gets crushed-down to -0- length, -0- width and -0- depth. However, it might be the case that Mother Nature is always able to avoid creating any singularity simply by requiring an infinite amount of time for the Kernel to be crushed into a dimensionless point (i.e., the Singularity).
    In fact, if it doesn't take an "infinite amount of time", then it simply might take a LOT of time, say, a googolplex of years (i.e., 10 raised to the power of a googol; a googol is 10 raised to the power of 100), compared to the (accepted) notion that our Universe is merely "13.7 x ten raised to the power of 6" years old.
    In other words, Mother Nature could allow the current Universe to "evaporate" into nothingness (all atomic particles decay into energy) before any Kernel has existed long enough to become a Singularity.
    Let me unpack that: --> As a mere lay person, my general understanding is this:
    As any part of a gravitational field (approaches and) reaches infinity, the passage of time (slows and then) stops (within that part of the gravitational field).
    (Wait - "reaching any infinity" is something you certainly can object to, and you have every right to scoff at it, but, come on, you have to agree to accept the concept of "having reached infinite gravity" simply because so many physicists talk openly and enthusiastically about Singularities as if they DO exist, with no mention of "when" they can exist.)
    This suggests (to a mere lay person like me) that Mother Nature might avoid the creation of a Singularity simply by slowing the "crushing-down of the Kernel" (via the dilation of time) so that it (literally) takes an infinite amount of time ... (i.e., from our perspective, in a significantly less intense gravitational field here on Earth, as we examine the heavens with our telescopes and imagination) ... for the Kernel to become a Singularity.
    So, if Mother Nature allows no Kernel to become a Singularity while the Universe exists as we know it, well then, one could philosophize that the Laws of Mother Nature are never violated ... if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? In this case, Mother Nature denies any forrest's existence, and denies the existence of anyone to disagree.
    Am I a Nihilist? Nope. Am I a heretic? Nope. Do I believe the Earth is flat? Nope. I just think that scientists do a lousy job of showing how or why they can rule-out simple solutions while they reach for the unimaginable. I wish they would publish important proofs for the lay audience, and unpack them, making them accessible to those who are interested in evaluating their unimaginable claims.

  • @Gaminglaptopsjunky01
    @Gaminglaptopsjunky01 7 лет назад +10

    this guy in the middle really takes a lot of space

    • @shirleymason7697
      @shirleymason7697 6 лет назад +1

      I think he’s earned it. A Nobelist.

    • @IconProduction01
      @IconProduction01 4 года назад +2

      @@shirleymason7697 That explains a lot.... He probably has 0 real friends and 3 failed marriages. Completely off-putting attitude towards anyone else with a different opinion, and he just talks over people with no shame.

  • @letsif
    @letsif 7 лет назад +1

    I love these long form dialogues.

  • @roberttrahan709
    @roberttrahan709 4 года назад +4

    As an old submarine sailor curious about Gravity, I would be more comfortable hearing that Gravity is more of a dynamic situation caused by displacement of space-time media,( mass fabric,foam,fluidity,string, etc.), akin to how a submarine displaces water vectorially.
    Could one say That Gavity is less a "force", and more of a dynamic?? Is such

    • @muzikako4314
      @muzikako4314 3 года назад +1

      David being a Nobel prize winner, makes him the unquestioned God of the group. He is acting accordingly.
      The moderator should have ensured everybody got an equal say in the group.

  • @twstdelf
    @twstdelf 7 лет назад +1

    Nice show notes! Appreciated. :)

  • @timreid99
    @timreid99 7 лет назад +1

    David shuts down discussion by saying "no" before what he says next

  • @jamesconner8275
    @jamesconner8275 7 лет назад +45

    Too bad David Gross was allowed to sidetrack the program for so long.

    • @glennmurphy9542
      @glennmurphy9542 4 года назад +1

      I think he said A lot between the lines also he knows more than he's. ( aloud ) to talk about

    • @alexcastro7339
      @alexcastro7339 3 года назад +1

      @@glennmurphy9542
      Allowed???

    • @ccarson
      @ccarson 3 года назад

      I thought it was engrossing.

  • @curiosull
    @curiosull 7 лет назад +1

    Good simple explanations, thanks!

  • @wilhelmvonpost
    @wilhelmvonpost 7 лет назад +21

    very disappointing discussion.. I thought it would be about new theories and speculation as said in the beginning, but ended up mostly going over einstein again and again..

    • @LuisAldamiz
      @LuisAldamiz 6 лет назад

      What's in the box? Schrödinger's quantum physicist in a superposition of states right and wrong, but it is absolutely certain that he/she is thinking inside the box.

    • @dckfg01
      @dckfg01 5 лет назад +2

      This also means we have not exceeded Einstein yet.

    • @zackfair7913
      @zackfair7913 5 лет назад

      Well because Einstein is right all the way... and GR is a complete theory. Quantum mechanic is good too but is dramatically incomplete, like they explain very well in this talk and as Einstein said himself, and it is still the case today, in fact quantum mechanic is so incomplete, you ' re blind and walking on a highway, unless you use Einstein theory which in a sense might be a way to hear the quantum phenomena you are probing, since you have no other way to probe it, or if I use my analogy again, to hear any cars rushing at you in the highway until you figure out what is going on. Lot of work still need to be done. We need Einstein again but the quantum version of him. Queinstein, where are you?

    • @neilanderson891
      @neilanderson891 4 года назад

      @The Real Slim Brady (re: your comment Aug-2019) --> In "what way" did "who" fail to factor-in the speed of light? You seem to be saying that "gravity" is always attractive, therefore any acceleration in the expansion of the Universe must be due solely to the mysterious "dark energy" which must be larger than "what-has-been-estimated" because dark-energy must overcome the deceleration of the cosmos due to gravity.
      Perhaps what you mean is that when astronomers say "Galaxy-X is 5 million light-years away", that must be incorrect, because Galaxy-X has had 5 million years to move even further away, much further ... therefore, it is more accurate to say that "5 million years ago, Galaxy-X was 5 million light-years away" and then estimate how far away it must be today.

    • @HighestRank
      @HighestRank 4 года назад

      Neil Anderson a far-away light source was not moving at a constant rate 5 mil years ago- nor will it continue moving at a constant rate, so all extrapolation of its present, past, or future locations based upon any instantaneous information at best would only be conjectural.

  • @alexcastro7339
    @alexcastro7339 3 года назад +5

    Who else was waiting for the person all the way on the left side to speak????.....lol

  • @mamavswild
    @mamavswild 3 года назад +3

    Gravity may not be as weak as it seems; many theoretical physicists including Nima Arkani-Hamed think that we are looking at gravity all wrong ...space/time should be space/time/gravity...that they are all manifestations of the same thing.

    • @mikkel715
      @mikkel715 2 года назад

      To be living at a Brane on a Hypersphere is not that bad..

  • @feuxdinoit_
    @feuxdinoit_ 7 лет назад +23

    I think we should start romanticizing mathematics more lol

  • @glutinousmaximus
    @glutinousmaximus 5 лет назад +1

    Scientifically, we are perhaps in the best of times. In 3 or 4 hundred years, we have successively uncovered mystery after mystery about the universe around us. We have encountered many surprises and wondrous discoveries along the way. We have stubborn challenges ahead and gravity is perhaps the greatest. A great post - Many Thanks!

  • @pronounjow
    @pronounjow 7 лет назад +12

    Maybe we can study David and Maria. His gravitational pull is so strong that Maria can't help but lean towards him. Lol

    • @timreid99
      @timreid99 7 лет назад +1

      these two where my least favourite because both tried to dominate the discussion

    • @fullyawakened
      @fullyawakened 7 лет назад +6

      Rezillusionz Smith They are supposed to dominate the discussion. Everyone is pretty well informed how much time they will have, how long they will have to wait and what they are supposed to cover. This follows the same format as every other talk. One person gives an intro then pretty much shuts up for the rest of the talk, a few people fill the body of the discussion, then outliers, detractors, specialists or other non-mainstream people get a few minutes towards the end to present their data.

    • @timreid99
      @timreid99 7 лет назад

      Ahh, ok. Understood.

    • @Kalumbatsch
      @Kalumbatsch 7 лет назад +4

      Nope, that doesn't really make much sense.

    • @katiekat4457
      @katiekat4457 6 лет назад +2

      And her head shook up in down in a yes signal the whole time he talked so no doubt she agrees with everything he is saying

  • @GlassDeviant
    @GlassDeviant 4 года назад +4

    1:15:10 "We have models of black holes which we can understand by ordinary quantum mechanical means." ... "ordinary" quantum mechanical means. :)

  • @Mac2point1
    @Mac2point1 4 года назад +1

    I watched it all. Didn't understand any if it, but got through it.

  • @GranulatedStuff
    @GranulatedStuff 7 лет назад +5

    I love Rachel Rosen for a whole bunch of reasons !

    • @SnaFubar_24
      @SnaFubar_24 4 года назад +1

      I wish she had been allowed to expand on her ideas more. David Gross was an ass throughout the discussion.

  • @MrRickkramer
    @MrRickkramer 7 лет назад +7

    Check out Erik Verlinde, he is a Dutch scientist working from Amsterdam University. His theories hold a lot of promise in my opinion.

    • @user-jh3rx3ej7h
      @user-jh3rx3ej7h 7 лет назад +4

      No, they don't. Unless you at least understand the math and physics involved in his paper, which takes years of studying and training, then you don't understand them. Several papers that are currently part of the literature all published in the past few months have shown explicitly how Verlinde's theory deviates from known measurements of radial acceleration of galaxies and how a dark matter particle fits the data better. His theory suffers from many flaws. Just because it sounds new and exciting does not mean it is good physics. It is most likely wrong.

    • @taunteratwill1787
      @taunteratwill1787 5 лет назад

      @@user-jh3rx3ej7h I believe you don't know your flaws, your most likely wrong as a human being. MrRickkramer
      is right Erik Verlinde is way brighter than this pretentious @C R fuckup!

    • @user-jh3rx3ej7h
      @user-jh3rx3ej7h 5 лет назад

      @@taunteratwill1787 His theory on entropic gravity is not supported or taken seriously by almost anybody in the quantum gravity or cosmology community for the reasons I listed above. A dark matter particle fits the data much better and his theory fails to reproduce dark matter observations. Theoretical physics papers are almost 99% wrong and maybe 1% correct. It doesn't mean that his paper has no value. You are clearly too emotionally-driven and unable to separate logic and coherent physics ideas from what you want to be true.

    • @taunteratwill1787
      @taunteratwill1787 5 лет назад

      @@user-jh3rx3ej7h Your theory is better than mine? Theory =Theory. Stop trying to make it more than it is. Ideas based upon other ideas! And don't pretend to be a shrink, you failed miserably on other convictions before. And now fuck off you're pretentious and boring.

  • @Erintel
    @Erintel 7 лет назад +3

    Albert Asimov dropped a bowling ball on a rubber pool table. E = MC Hammer, Private Eye, smashed it into atoms. Father Time, arriving before he left, placed his bets: "Quarks in the corners, waves in the side, charge in the middle and no divide."

  • @ojnord
    @ojnord 6 лет назад +4

    I am amazed by the blizz from Maria and Rachel. Soo cool to see women rock at science. A true inspiation for my daughters. Thanks!

    • @ramaraksha01
      @ramaraksha01 2 года назад

      What is depressing is to see the number of viewers of these videos and then compare them with any sexual videos on you tube

  • @PazLeBon
    @PazLeBon 7 лет назад +5

    i often picture space like liquid so gravity seems like a sort of displacement

    • @madeincda
      @madeincda 7 лет назад +1

      Yes I like this idea too. I imagine an infinitely large pool where we only exist at the surface. Not above or below but right within the surface. Where everything perceivable in our realm exists. Similar to existing in a 2D world. The extra dimension in SUSY is everything around the surface. So the particles that we can't see exist below and above the surface in they're own dimension. Therefor we only see them when they pass through our surface dimension to the opposite side. So when you look at a tiny bubble sitting on the surface of any liquid that is a simile for our universe in a sense...

  • @kokomanation
    @kokomanation 7 лет назад +2

    Maybe thermodynamics could be a key ingredient we should add to help us figure out how spacetime works how it interacts with massive objects and gets warped

  • @antonleimbach648
    @antonleimbach648 7 лет назад

    These discussions are awesome.

    • @glennfrancisco5525
      @glennfrancisco5525 2 года назад

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  • @thomasvieth578
    @thomasvieth578 4 года назад

    For reasons of aesthetics I cannot escape thinking of “Gravity’s Rainbow”, it having a certain attraction for me

  • @KenzieLaMar
    @KenzieLaMar 7 лет назад +3

    Love this talk. I wish the moderator could have allowed the whole panel to contribute more equally. But even with 2 people dominating the talk it was still fascinating and wonderful.

    • @gozderdogan
      @gozderdogan 7 лет назад

      Kenzie LaMar you are handsome.

  • @08wolfeyes
    @08wolfeyes 6 лет назад +2

    When it comes to space, can we say that space its self is, in fact, dark energy and dark matter?
    Might it also be possible the outside what we call our universe or beyond what we can see, might there be an attractor of some kind?

  • @moonlight.3x3
    @moonlight.3x3 7 лет назад +4

    closed captioning please!

  • @gregsharp8420
    @gregsharp8420 7 лет назад +1

    Wonder if they could tell me if the vacuum energy, that is causing the Doppler effect on light as space expands is absorbing this missing energy from the light at its source compared to the slightly less energetic light we see?

  • @robertyoung1777
    @robertyoung1777 11 месяцев назад

    This might have been better if it had started out with each guest having been given a set amount of time to talk.
    The panel could then have had a conversation with the moderator taking an active role in allowing each panel member relatively equal time to talk.

  • @LuisAldamiz
    @LuisAldamiz 6 лет назад +1

    Schrödinger had a box and inside there was a quantum physicist bragging about how he or she would put gravity inside the neat box of quantum mechanics. It is uncertain if Schrödinger's physicist-in-the-box is right or wrong or in a superposition of both states but what is quite clear is that he or she (gender is also uncertain) is thinking inside the box.

  • @BenneBG
    @BenneBG 7 лет назад +3

    Gravity is that film with Clooney and Bullock

  • @jeremybonanno4583
    @jeremybonanno4583 4 года назад +1

    What if we're shrinking?
    No expansion

  • @onetwo3603
    @onetwo3603 6 лет назад

    one thing has remained constant with humanities pretence,it has a handle on the big questions,
    time always shows us to be wrong by various orders of magnitude

  • @ramaraksha01
    @ramaraksha01 2 года назад

    25 min into the video and I think Ms Rosen has yet to speak!

  • @garymulsp
    @garymulsp 7 лет назад +13

    The chair ruined this

    • @pronounjow
      @pronounjow 7 лет назад +1

      The moderator? He almost wasn't part of the panel. Lol

    • @garymulsp
      @garymulsp 7 лет назад +14

      He's meant to make sure one person doesnt dominate the discussion

    • @taunteratwill1787
      @taunteratwill1787 5 лет назад

      Yes the chairs were a bit too much of the 60's!

    • @Phoenixash-delfuego
      @Phoenixash-delfuego 5 лет назад

      If the chairs had holes in them everything could be aired out and we could get right to the bottom of everything.

  • @MirekHeikkila
    @MirekHeikkila 7 лет назад +14

    1:02:30 NoooOoO whyyyy, i was interested and i live for drama(lol jk but still!)! But really i want to hear them 'argue' :/... that's part of scientific dialogue :D

    • @zackfair7913
      @zackfair7913 5 лет назад

      It must of been the skulls

    • @HighestRank
      @HighestRank 4 года назад

      Oh god, my thought experiment’s ingredients are going to chain react!

  • @sywaddr11
    @sywaddr11 6 лет назад

    How can you differ the wave is not comets kissing stars or moon?

  • @MrTommy4000
    @MrTommy4000 6 лет назад

    why aren't the asteroid belt or the kuiper belt forming planets or joining with the help of gravity ?

  • @dugldoo
    @dugldoo 3 года назад +4

    I know this is an aging presentation, but I was put off by Gross's usurping the show, his arrogance, and his demeaning treatment of Rosen. Reminds me of the stories of Eddington's treatment of Chandrasekhar in public. Hopefully we won't see him invited back to future WSF presentations.

  • @davidevans2810
    @davidevans2810 4 года назад +1

    It is simple: Gravity is the effect created when mass lenses spacetime. It isn't a "warp", but a lensing.

    • @rickquest6385
      @rickquest6385 4 года назад

      I agree the 'rubber sheet' theory is not correct but what do you mean by 'lensing?'

  • @emasolie4135
    @emasolie4135 3 года назад +1

    Someone didn't profile guests beforehand. A cat was set among the pigeons, (an extrovert among the introverted INTP's). Gross needs to get his own show where his ego can run free.

  • @IconProduction01
    @IconProduction01 4 года назад +6

    Never get into an argument with that old man in the center.... He loves to hear himself talk, he'll talk over you at every chance, he completely believes he's smarter than you and everyone else, and he's one of those people who will not stop until he feels like he's won. I'm sure he's a great time at parties.....

    • @timewalker6654
      @timewalker6654 4 года назад +1

      he is the smartest in the room, he is a Nobel laureate.

    • @IconProduction01
      @IconProduction01 4 года назад +1

      @@timewalker6654 Well cool then? Poor guy, knows he's the smartest in most rooms, yet feels the need to flex it fully on other people to puff himself up.. Sad, now I know he has 1 friend (his mother) and he's still a virgin to this day, so I hope it was worth it bruh lol.

    • @eshoo8000
      @eshoo8000 3 года назад

      Seek help

  • @jackieow6692
    @jackieow6692 2 года назад

    1) If photons have no mass, why do they bend in their trajectory as they go past a large mass like the sun, for instance the precessional change of Mercury's orbit. So on Earth we see Mercury appearing around the horizon of the sun artificially sooner than it should? If there is no mass there, what is the gravitational force grabbing?
    (2) If I take my rocket into a black hole and land on a singularity, suppose I get out a flashlight and put the base of the flashlight on the singularity. I point the flashlight toward the event horizon at straight up = north or 12 o'clock, and I turn it on. The photons can't escape because there is too much gravity. That means they have to slow down. But photons can't go slower than the speed of light because the speed of light is constant. So what happens to the photons between the singularity and the event horizon if I try to point my flashlight away from the singularity?
    (3) What is going on inside an electron with its internal structure such that something spins one direction to generate in the outside world what we label as "negative charge" but something spins the other way to cause what we describe as "positive charge" if it were a positron? Ditto for positive charge in protons and negative charge in antiprotons.
    (4) If a neutron is inside a nucleus, it has a half life of billions of years. But if the neutron is by itself in free space, it has a half-life of about 400 seconds.

    (a) Why stable inside a nucleus, even for tiny deuterium or tritium, but unstable outside a nucleus?
    The neutron decays into a proton plus an electron plus an anti-matter neutrino.
    (b) How can an anti-matter neutrino exist inside an ordinary matter neutron back when the neutron existed as a neutron? Or if it was there in another form as a proto-antimatter neutrino, what form was it in?
    (5) If high energy gamma rays collide, they can condense into matter. Can all forms of matter form in this way, for instance how about neutrinos or Higgs Bosons-- do they form from Big Bang level collisions of gamma rays?
    (6) Where can I park my spaceship so that if I look in one direction I will see a panorama of billions of stars and galaxies, but if I turn around 180 degrees there is nothing to see because the universe hasn't expanded there yet? There are places the universe hasn't expanded to yet, so there have to be vast numbers of places (or a large outer surface) where such sights could be seen. Or, to mix questions, could it be the edge of the universe is where it goes down the drain to the center of black holes which is why you can't see anything there?
    (7) If time happens more slowly at the center of the earth, how can there be a blue shift of light at the center of the earth? With a blue shift, the electromagnetic waves happen with greater frequency which means the waves are moving [perpendicular to the direction of propagation] more quickly. The tick-tock of light's electromagnetic pulsations is happening more quickly with the higher energy of blue light. If more gravity means blue shift and faster pulsations, then denser gravity means time's events happen more quickly, not more slowly.
    (8) For the paradox of a stationary twin and a twin in a rocket at 99% the speed of light. from the point of reference of the twin in a rocket the twin in a rocket is stationary and the other twin is, in comparison, moving away at nearly the speed of light. So why does the one age and the other not? It must be that the one that stays young stays young because it is having kinetic energy added to its system. Or perhaps moving relative to a HIggs field slows down time. Or maybe something else. How would kinetic energy slow down time, or how would a moving Higgs field slow down time? If time slows down at the center of the earth, how is it that more gravitational force slows down time? Is there an interactional commonality among kinetic energy, Higgs field, and gravity?
    (9) A ray of light is not travelling in a straight line, because it is always influenced to some extent by gravity from some mass somewhere in the universe. Particles are made from condensed gamma rays, and so do not have exact stable surfaces but rather only the turmoil of thrashing electromagnetic fields. The surface of the purest cystal is actually at the micro-micro level not a plane but rather an approximate surface of condensed energy pulsations or string pulsations, and the edge of a crystal is not a straight line but rather only a wiggling approximate line. Simple integers are absolutes, while in nature there are no absolute straight lines or true planes or absolute flat surfaces. Since integers have absolute magnitudes aka defined boundaries but light and matter do not, why should we think numbers are accurate at the ultimate micro-micro level for describing physical phenomena?
    (10) If an entire galaxy were made out of antimatter, how would be know from this far away that it wasn't made of ordinary matter?
    (11) If you look at an electromagnetic wave, when the electric field is maximum going down the magnetic field is maximum going to the right. If you keep the electric wave going down, is there any way to flip the magnetic 180 degrees to the left, e.g. with an antimatter domain or supersymmetry (or something other than going backwards in time)? Why does the magnetic go to the right instead of the left when the electric goes down? Does it have anything to do with why there is more matter than antimatter, like for instance the handedness of electromagnetic waves as we know them destabilizes (tears apart) antimatter handedness more easily than ordinary matter handedness? Does the electric drive the magnetic or does the magnetic drive the electric? Or are they both dependent on another third-factor determinant driving factor?
    (12) If light as in electromagnetic radiation can't escape from a black hole, how can Hawking radiation escape, since all it is is infrared electromagnetic radiation?

  • @malikapollard3618
    @malikapollard3618 2 года назад

    This one guy likes the sound of his voice a little more than the others.

  • @soubhikmukherjee6871
    @soubhikmukherjee6871 3 года назад +1

    Gravity is love.

  • @thermotronica
    @thermotronica 7 лет назад

    Cool scarf

  • @chinesewitholiver
    @chinesewitholiver 4 года назад

    I love World Science Festival! The content of this video is superb! But the form is bad. Because it's a new concept. Please change the settings of this video, and don't allow comments, which are partially correct, but only lead us away from the target.

  • @evrardmusic
    @evrardmusic Год назад

    Didn’t Dirac confirm a relationship between GR and quantum mechanics?

  • @MikeSmith-cl4ix
    @MikeSmith-cl4ix 3 года назад

    Gravity is a mathematical concept used to explain why masses are attracted to each other. It's not an actual Force it's in effect caused by the ability of mass to absorb, convert and reflect electromagnetic radiation. As We know, EM radiation can have an accelerating effect on matter (A push rather than a pull) and is everywhere present throughout the universe. So when a mass is near another Mass they both have a dampening effect on each other. That's what makes sense to me.

  • @espaciohexadimencional6798
    @espaciohexadimencional6798 4 года назад

    I hope this numbers might be helpfull some way: if you add the 8 plaets in the disk you get
    77.86M/S SQ. and if you add the suns gravity you get
    351.86M/S SQ./3.1416 = 112.00025
    112.00025/300000K/S(LS) = 2678.5654/89.28 = 30.001852.
    89.28 is the result of 351.86/31416(10000 times 3.1416) = 89.28551.
    149.6 millions of km. for suns light to reach us times 210 = 31416.
    The universe works in three faces: HIGH= 10920 Hz. MEDLE= 10416 Hz, LOW= 10080 This faces could grow or get smaller as wished. if you add the three faces they add 31416.
    10920/3141600 = 287.6923/144(serie PHI) = 1.9978631.
    10416/3141600 = 301.6129/3.1416 =96.006143/17126.594(the 118 places of the periodic table all added) = 178.39936/89.28 = 1.9982007.
    10080/3141600 = 311.66666/77.86 = 4.002911.
    22 years is a compleate SUNS CICLE and this number does good numbers:
    22/10920 = 496.36363/3.1416 = 157.99708/17126.594 = 108.39816/1.618 = 66.995154.
    42 are the petals of THE FLOWER OF LIFE same figure apears from DNA.
    42/10920 = 260/300000 = 1153.8461/3.1416 = 367.27976/1.618(GOLDEN NUMBER) = 226.99614/17126.594 = 75.448833/3.1416 = 24.01605.
    WHY NOT see the solar system as a cell of our universe? where 351.86 is the GRAVITY of our solar sistem.
    sos sos sos sos¡?

  • @timreid99
    @timreid99 7 лет назад +4

    1:12:15 "since black... people accepted black holes existed"

  • @frontech3271
    @frontech3271 2 года назад

    Is Space "stretching" to expand, or is more Space appearing from some - what?

  • @VinayakVidhyasagar
    @VinayakVidhyasagar 7 лет назад

    The old man has a crush on maria,gravity may be matter itself,a special type

  • @dolfi173
    @dolfi173 2 года назад

    según la física clásica una partícula se define por sus componentes temporales las que al interactuar con los diversos campos lo hace usando usando una simetría que puede dar efectos atractivos o repulsivos ,es decir que estos ' genios no comprenden que la cuantización eléctrica y la gravitatoria se parecen pero la diferencia de fuerza depende de la forma de los elementos básicos de un eje espacial dividido

  • @grahammatthews3798
    @grahammatthews3798 Год назад

    *Senhor Ferreira* gives the best description of gravity yet. IMHO the hint that needs to be amplified lies in the words "If you *throw* something".
    Then will the layman understand that everything in the Universe has been moving since the Big Bang and gravity (an improper acceleration) simply causes it to take a minor detour

  • @jforkum3948
    @jforkum3948 2 года назад

    The effect of matter in the universe, is not unlike that of a marble in a fish tank. The volume of the marble increases the water level in the tank just as the volume of a particle increases the space in the universe. Another way to perceive this concept is as follows. Space and matter are flip sides of the same coin. without matter, space would not exist. The pressure the marble is under as it travels deeper into the water; is comparable to the gravity effect we feel in our relative position inside the space that is being created by the matter around us. At the atomic level, the space that a particle creates, has a very defined end to that space as the particle has a constant density. As two particles' spaces become entangled, the two particles combine to create a larger volume of space together that locks the two particles inside that space while any photon wave energy that enters that space becomes trapped as an electron. The edges of the space these two particles create is less defined as the edges a single particle will create as the two particles in their created space also have each their own density that is varied in the space the two particles create. This effect is known as the "strong nuclear force". As more particles become entangled together in the space created and common to these particles, the effect of the strong nuclear force begins to weaken. On the scale of large planetary matter collected and common to the space created by that matter, we feel that same effect as gravity.

  • @UnleashTheGreen
    @UnleashTheGreen 6 лет назад

    is this "the Maria Spiropulu show"?

  • @tvrteja8837
    @tvrteja8837 6 лет назад +7

    Extremely poor anchoring

  • @Dadecorban
    @Dadecorban 5 лет назад

    I prefer when they argue. I hate that this always gets stopped. Ahahahaha...someone asked about Alcubierre Warp Drive. Did you see those expressions....ahahaha.

  • @Trp44
    @Trp44 2 года назад

    I do think I would repeat my name more than Einstein’s if I were on a panel. Especially if I spoke from the heart.

  • @thelastkinddirectory
    @thelastkinddirectory 7 лет назад

    Gravity is like gravy on your sunday roast. The watery parts do not stick but gently run across the surface of your plate (fabric of space) and your black holes are like Tobby's Yorkshire puddings that get filled up with anything. When gravity or someone else fills your black hole it eventually explodes and bang! A new universe is born...As simple as that. Next question please...

  • @brainfleming8756
    @brainfleming8756 4 года назад

    I am not a scientist, physicist, etc., but I thought it had been established long ago that gravity was the warping of space time.

  • @jennanelson5453
    @jennanelson5453 4 года назад +1

    I believe dark energy is a positive pressure exerted by the vacuum energy of space-time, and that what we are calling dark matter is merely the effects of dark energy on regular matter.
    A positive pressure exerted by space-time's vacuum energy predicts;
    -the accelerating universe
    -the expanding universe
    -we should measure there to be more mass than we can see matter being accountable for
    -matter in the center of a galaxy / cluster should have added relativistic mass, increasing its gravitational attraction, as well as its escape velocity
    -matter in the outer regions of a galaxy / cluster should be moving faster than we predict, sometimes faster than our predicted maximum orbital speed without flying out of orbit.

  • @dadsonworldwide3238
    @dadsonworldwide3238 4 года назад

    I'd like to ask, are we not making the same mistake we made with thinking newton's gravity was everything or Einstein was?
    As in the quantum realm doesn't work as we observe in our realm. Can it be that on large scales galaxy's won't fit apart and doesn't require far matter because it's radiating more than we think. our observations aren't that accurate.
    The bowling ball heavy object l doesn't fall faster than a feather-light object.
    We've made this kinda mistake many times.
    And with respect to expanding space is it a we to test that we ourselves aren't expanding? How can you test this?
    I know they say no we aren't but I've never heard a good explanation of proof that has been done to know.

  • @Sartorri4666
    @Sartorri4666 3 года назад

    Yeah!?

  • @jbclarricoats5941
    @jbclarricoats5941 6 лет назад

    The absence of resistance

  • @gameart6505
    @gameart6505 7 лет назад

    Szabolcs Marka speaks like one of Andy Kaufman characters

  • @sywaddr11
    @sywaddr11 6 лет назад

    Can we think gravity as entangle behind shells?

  • @brabantstad384
    @brabantstad384 7 лет назад

    you are many mutch my friendsly

  • @smashu2
    @smashu2 7 лет назад +1

    Can a field produce no particle !? can you have a dark field with no particle !?

  • @subtle0savage
    @subtle0savage 7 лет назад +1

    Can gravity escape black holes? If concentrated mass passes a threshold where it begins to warp space/time in on itself, and given that gravity of mass is a bending of space-time, then it follows that in such a model the ever tightening loop of warping space-time in on itself would create an infinity paradox. Which, by the by, conflicts with the premise that light acts as a universal speed limit. In an infinitely closing loop, speed of light would rapidly be passed.

  • @PatrickLHolley
    @PatrickLHolley 2 года назад

    Clearly "gravity" is correlated with mass, but my question is this: Is it an open possibility that mass is not the source of gravity? And is it possible that gravity is generated by immaterial realities instead, even though you always have a correlation with fluctuations in space when mass is present?

  • @malazatassi8634
    @malazatassi8634 4 года назад

    Could the dark energy or matter be the so called ether?

  • @fullyawakened
    @fullyawakened 7 лет назад

    At the very end during audience question he says that the Casimir effect is wrong... I wish that were more clarified. The Casimir effect certainly is not wrong and he knows that so I can't think of what he meant to convey there.

    • @espaciohexadimencional6798
      @espaciohexadimencional6798 4 года назад

      I think is right whene there is no matter inside(say planets) but if there is matter(planets) the pressure in between is not the same; that is why the cubes in space got togather, that is not gravity atraction. big mistake for theme.

  • @yvondenis5783
    @yvondenis5783 4 года назад

    what is fabulation is the question.

  • @JimMcHugsU
    @JimMcHugsU Год назад

    Is dark matter really just our misunderstanding of gravity ?

  • @dantayler8911
    @dantayler8911 2 года назад +1

    Rachel dressed with a scarf with skull 💀 print…..🙄. Hmmm 🤔 classy😂😅🤣

  • @chanpol321
    @chanpol321 4 года назад

    Gravitation
    Gravity (from Latin gravitas, meaning 'weight'), or gravitation, is a natural phenomenon by which all things with mass or energy-including planets, stars, galaxies, and even light-are brought toward (or gravitate toward) one another. On Earth, gravity gives weight to physical objects, and the Moon's gravity causes the ocean tides. The gravitational attraction of the original gaseous matter present in the Universe caused it to begin coalescing, forming stars-and for the stars to group together into galaxies-so gravity is responsible for many of the large-scale structures in the Universe. Gravity has an infinite range, although its effects become increasingly weaker as objects get further away. Bing

  • @davidknapp5224
    @davidknapp5224 3 года назад

    Who wants to know HOW mass curves space? The lady in the middle is on the right track, explain it quantum mechanically as an universal ocean of sticky little quantum particals (gravitons) that attaches itself to itself and every other partial adding up quickly with mass bending space which is swimming with gravitons.

  • @VeN0m88
    @VeN0m88 7 лет назад +3

    Why cant dark matter just be "nothing" ? Everything doesnt have to be something.

    • @VeN0m88
      @VeN0m88 7 лет назад +1

      I think of NOTHING as before we were born and after we die, and we know 1 of those nothing is true, before being born. Say there's nothing when we die which is very possible. Then why not have nothing in between all this energy in the universe or multiverse. It would be very well balanced, As it is for us to have life.

    • @davidspagnolo4870
      @davidspagnolo4870 7 лет назад +2

      V C Because the very fact that has measurable effects means that it is "something".

    • @alangarland8571
      @alangarland8571 7 лет назад +1

      Because by definition 'nothing' has no physical properties.
      Dark matter does have at least one measurable physical property.
      Gravitationaly It behaves much like ordinary matter

    • @321Worlds
      @321Worlds 7 лет назад +1

      Because the Universe expands with a certain rate. Gravity influences this rate. The amount of "ordinary" matter has a certain magnitude of gravity. This "ordinary "gravity is no way near sufficient to account for the the way the Universe behaves. So there must be something that we cannot see that exerts most of the gravity in the Universe. As we cannot see it - we call it dark.

  • @neilanderson891
    @neilanderson891 4 года назад

    @The Real Slim Brady (re: your comment Aug-2019) --> In "what way" did "who" fail to factor-in the speed of light? You seem to be saying that "gravity" is always attractive, therefore any acceleration in the expansion of the Universe must be due solely to the mysterious "dark energy" which must be larger than "what-has-been-estimated" because dark-energy must overcome the deceleration of the cosmos due to gravity.
    Perhaps what you mean is that when astronomers say "Galaxy-X is 5 million light-years away", that must be incorrect, because Galaxy-X has had 5 million years to move even further away, much further ... therefore, it is more accurate to say that "5 million years ago, Galaxy-X was 5 million light-years away" and then estimate how far away it must be today.

  • @neilanderson891
    @neilanderson891 4 года назад

    At 6:53, Pedro Ferreira says that gravity is an instantaneous "action at a distance" ... I think Mr Ferreira misspoke ... I'm no expert, but I think that, for example, the effect of our Sun's gravity is delayed by about 8 minutes, the same amount of time it takes the Sun's radiation (all electro-magnetic waves) to reach the earth.

    • @espaciohexadimencional6798
      @espaciohexadimencional6798 4 года назад

      a bit faster.

    • @neilanderson891
      @neilanderson891 3 года назад

      @@Demian_R Right you are, of course it does, but that means you agree with me. And as soon as energy exists, it too has gravity.

    • @neilanderson891
      @neilanderson891 3 года назад

      @@Demian_R OK, you win. I give up.

  • @davidinfante6348
    @davidinfante6348 4 года назад

    Dark matter is not a particle it's a field that has different dimensions across space depending on how regular matter is Clump together

  • @schm00b0
    @schm00b0 5 лет назад

    Close your eyes while David Gross is talking and you will see Donald Sutherland ;)

  • @Les537
    @Les537 7 лет назад +1

    I can listen to David all day.

  • @narrator69
    @narrator69 7 лет назад +3

    Could anti-gravity by created by learning to control the higgs field?

    • @zackfair7913
      @zackfair7913 5 лет назад

      this field or any other field are "our universe black hole event horizon" and this "thing" is infinitely far away from you, nothing from outside or from inside of the black hole can reach its event horizon, when you are inside you can only fall toward the singularity, (but in fact you are never inside) and when you are outside you can only spaghettify yourself on the surface of the black hole like a pancake getting ever so tin and scrambled , but you never penetrate it, from any outside observer point of view. from your point of view you may believe you are falling into the black hole, but you don't, space is an illusion. youa re only getting more and mor scrambled over the black hole surface, or firewall I think they call it but it have many different name , depending on the theory you are using to describe what is happening. fields are not physically characterized, they are like a ghost if you will, a ghost that no "physical" thing can possibly reach, and all of this, not even considering that space is accelerating at an exponentially increasing rate, so.... good luck. Field are in fact the only real thing that exist, nothing else but field and their vibration. and sometime one vibrating field share is energy with another field. so everything else you can think of are nothing else but illusions emerging from these vibrating fields. and by illusion I mean space , time , particles, matter, fundamental force of nature, the universe.... but these fields have also some "true" property, like being scale invariant (this is why symmetry or gravity and other force of nature, causality(or time) are emerging), among other , they truly have. this is a work in progress. But in other words, when you look at them (you just cant) but what I mean is wen you imagine the fields, they would be like a ghost for you , and from the fields perspective, you are also a ghost.... or a rainbow like ghost structure. hope this may help some people understand fields...

    • @zackfair7913
      @zackfair7913 5 лет назад

      oh yeah in fact even the fields aren't real, the only real thing at the very bottom of existence, the fundamental structure, as they call it, is information. quantum bits. nothing else is real.