Keep in mind you might need to use volume reducing spacers, to get the support and sensitivity you need. Lower the pressure plusher it is, but easier it buttoms out and less support you have, but by reducing the volume you increase the support, thus can run lower pressure. But some shocks use two air seperate chambers you can pump up, these shocks don't. But the ones that do allow you to do the same using air pressure which eliminates deflating the shock and installing spacers every time you do an adjustment and need to test it. So you can do it easily on the trail. Only need a shock pump.
lower pressure plusher it is, is very misleading piece of information. It is true only to some extent. If somene setup shock by that thinking lower presue=plush he will quickly find out it is not true and it is terrible idea. If you go too far above 30% sag you will sit too deep in the travel which means every bumb you counter will feel terible and harsh because you are already hiting ramp in air spring curve, it will have terrible traction it will feel harsh and dead, it will be anything but plush. If you want plushier feeling you need to increase negative air chamber, some shock have that some dont, I believe if you install megneg can on that deluxe shock it would be on pair or better than that fox shock for 1/4 price, of course when we are talking about descending perfomance. I recomend everyone to try very high sag and full toknes in your shock and ride it, then set let say 26-28% sag with less toknes and you will find out which setup is more comfortable. You will get a idea and you can more easily fine tune to you preference. In general lowering pressure too much and increasing volume too much is terrible idea for "sensitivy and support".
@@mtbboy1993 Both of you are right and complete each other. I agree with both. I'd love a video where megneg gets compared to the fox dps, to check if you could get away with 80$ instead of 500$.
What,i have Fox Float DPS LV evolv Perfromance oem rear shox and it came on Mondraker. It has 3 mode adjusting 4 open,medium and close position. I thought that it is standard for Fox 🤷
I actually 'downgraded' my trail bike to a Deluxe RT takeoff I have. My garbage Fox X2 blew up like they all do and the Deluxe actually suits the 130mm travel bike better anyway. Much more poppy and playful now.
Hello..awesome video mate ❤ But I need you personal opinion please.. I have trek fuel ex 5 2022.. comes with Xfusion Pro rear shock.. Am looking for upgrade .. Between rockshox ultimate deluxe and fox racing float DPS .. any suggestions.. witch one I go for.. please 👍
I appreciate you being a big fan and paying such close attention! But this shock was purchased before the Yeti, and the Yeti frame came with its own Fox Factory shock.
I have fox on the front and a rockshox debonair Rt3 monarch plus piggyback and it's a fantastic shock I got it used once but he changed to a coil for £140 with bottom out tokens and a full rebuild kit and had a fox of equal spec and agree fox feels alot like a coil but othe than that no difference fox feels a like skittish if psi is 5 off perfect sag rockshox alot more forgiving I find fox over complex and I had to send it of to be rebuilt as needs a few specific tools my monarch I can rebuild it over a beer or 2 and rockshox offer a nice free pdf diy step by step full colour pictures guide fox basically want u to take it to and official fox repair and service centre otherwise decline any defec5 or warranty claim Rockshox yep no problem her the replacement parts u need the Rockshox is for any DIY shed in back garden rider the fox is for the professional bit more cash amateur sport racer guy but forks fox all the way I have a 2012 Fox Float R32 F-series air fork and absolutely beautiful the fox's are alot more simpler like a rockshox and easy DIY but shocks a no no
Got my 03 Jekyll 1000 with a lefty and fox float r. Bike looks and feels brand new despite the age. Fox float is amazing, can’t imagine how nice a modern one is. Also my lockout finally stopped working after years so might have to do a rebuild
Haha the Saga test loop is nothing to write home about. Tons of good trails here in PHX though. I'd rather visit your guys trails, that Lucky 13 trail looks sick!
These videos are so tough to be done "right" but I think you did a pretty good job. The only thing that seems to be missing from your setup is talk about volume spacers. Correct setup should be about setting sag, riding, checking bottom out, changing spacer, etc. Ideally set your sag and use 80% travel on a normal, tame trail. On a gnarly trail you want to use about 95% leaving you a little room for error. Then adjust damping to suit and compare. I know this adds more time to the comparison but it'll pay off in the long run. I'm 10 months into ownership of my Trek Fuel EX 8 and I've finally got my suspension to 95% of where I'm happy. increasing the volume spacer by 20% and dropping air pressure by 5PSI made all the difference and now I have a much higher ride height despite very similar sag which means less bottom out, more real world travel and better mid stroke support without the harshness. Sorry for the HUGE comment, I just love everything suspension and tyres :P
Nope, you set up your sag to be at 20 to 30 percent, set rebound accordingly, and add volume spacers according to how strong of a rider you are. Otherwise, your setting your sag to the trail, not you. Most of the actual fine tuning of this should be about better or worse after changing one thing slightly on the same section of trail, not by checking bottom out. Just listen to any podcast by an actual suspension designer and they will tell you that.
@@jonathanbaxter6254 I've read what you have to say and I understand where you're coming from. All I'll say on the matter is, you need to know where you're aiming for. If I setup my bike to what I think is right for my level and ride it at my local trail I might use 70% travel, take it to Dyfi and I blow through my travel, take it to Whistler and tackle A-line and I've smashed through my travel before I've even left the lip. You have to factor in where you're riding otherwise you'll end up with a bike more harsh than required or so plush it can't cope on the really gnarly stuff.
Just a heads up on why the colors don’t match…. That rear shock is older than that fork and they made the kashima a different color in around 2020 I think.
Normally you can go nearly equal fast on the descent with a hardtail or a fully. But on the HT you become earlier tired. Your RS rear shock´s maybe a little too harsh, but I dont think that´s the only reason for the loss of nearly 30 seconds to the Fox Factory rear shock.
evan! i have notis on but never get them! haven’t don’t much mountain biking recently, but i’m excited for the opening of berm park, are you planning to travel out sometime?
Haha dang well better late than never ☺️ I'm still in grind mode for the channel so I don't really have plans to travel for riding yet. I've still never rode a bike park!
I always wondered the same thing, why does the Kashima not match!?!? The front is always gold and the rear more bronze colored. Close, but not a perfect match
I do like the medium/trail setting on the Fox. I use it when I'm trying to conserve energy on long climbs. I know Rockshox has a similar one but I haven't tried it.
Evan, I wanted to let you know that Kashmia coat is not made by Fox. It’s a private company that has the secret sauce to create that coating that has the lowest coefficient of friction possible. They won’t share their proprietary coating secrets but it is extremely hard for them to keep the gold color the same. But it’s a sacrifice fox is willing to pay to have the smoothest travel which in return creates a more predictable tune and ride.
Have you looked at the MegNeg from rockshoxs? It’s an option i’m considering for my T7. Supposedly helps you get a little more mid stroke support from the deluxe.
I have the same shock and always keep it in the middle setting unless coming down hill then it goes to full open its good, and has a bigger air spacer then the normal shocks
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0:09 ayyy thats me
Haha you made it in!
3:26 I thought u didn't like the Seth bars
I put them back on after cutting them to 775, they work good!
A year later has the propedal lever stopped working yet?
Power tools? That’s a interesting choice.
Duuude thank you for doing this series right.
Heck yeah thanks Sean!!
where can you get a rock shox deluxe for 200
Used
@EvansMTBSaga so the fox is 500 used
How long is the suspension?
nice upgrade in the tool too
You're the first to comment on that! I thought more people would notice haha. Still testing it out, not sure how I feel about it.
@@EvansMTBSaga for me it the best tool upgrade you can do because its automatic
Finally video out ❤️
anyone else seeing the damage done to the high bikes new shock after the aggressive hammering?
Happy 20k
Sup Eugene I didn't know you changed your username.
Love the honesty, thx
20k 🥳
I wish I had your mechanical skills! Awesome videos
Thanks Matty! Your Roscoe thumbnails were a big inspiration to me back when I started!
Let’s get him to 20 k boys
There is absolutely no way the shock alone can make you THAT much slower. Most likely you were just tired on the second lap.
Oh yeah I 100% agreed. I didn't really talk about the time much cuz I knew there's way too many variables
@@EvansMTBSaga ahhhhh gotcha.
Keep in mind you might need to use volume reducing spacers, to get the support and sensitivity you need. Lower the pressure plusher it is, but easier it buttoms out and less support you have, but by reducing the volume you increase the support, thus can run lower pressure. But some shocks use two air seperate chambers you can pump up, these shocks don't. But the ones that do allow you to do the same using air pressure which eliminates deflating the shock and installing spacers every time you do an adjustment and need to test it. So you can do it easily on the trail. Only need a shock pump.
lower pressure plusher it is, is very misleading piece of information. It is true only to some extent. If somene setup shock by that thinking lower presue=plush he will quickly find out it is not true and it is terrible idea. If you go too far above 30% sag you will sit too deep in the travel which means every bumb you counter will feel terible and harsh because you are already hiting ramp in air spring curve, it will have terrible traction it will feel harsh and dead, it will be anything but plush. If you want plushier feeling you need to increase negative air chamber, some shock have that some dont, I believe if you install megneg can on that deluxe shock it would be on pair or better than that fox shock for 1/4 price, of course when we are talking about descending perfomance. I recomend everyone to try very high sag and full toknes in your shock and ride it, then set let say 26-28% sag with less toknes and you will find out which setup is more comfortable. You will get a idea and you can more easily fine tune to you preference. In general lowering pressure too much and increasing volume too much is terrible idea for "sensitivy and support".
@@QeX9 I should have been clearer, but you are right. Thx
@@mtbboy1993 Both of you are right and complete each other. I agree with both. I'd love a video where megneg gets compared to the fox dps, to check if you could get away with 80$ instead of 500$.
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You should get a Yt Capra core 4
There is something about your videos I really love!
Heck yeah Richard, going to shout you out next video!
This shock or the dpx2?
This shock is super plush, but if you don't care about weight or cost, x2 for sure
What,i have Fox Float DPS LV evolv Perfromance oem rear shox and it came on Mondraker. It has 3 mode adjusting 4 open,medium and close position. I thought that it is standard for Fox 🤷
Another great video
The secret for budget shocks is to open the thing and put an oil for and it will perform as branded one
Love the video
great honest review
100% I appreciate the straight forward “experience” approach.
Thank you for sharing this brother, cheers!
What length rear shock do you have?
190x45
Looking good in that Berm peak merch👌
I actually 'downgraded' my trail bike to a Deluxe RT takeoff I have. My garbage Fox X2 blew up like they all do and the Deluxe actually suits the 130mm travel bike better anyway. Much more poppy and playful now.
The Shock maybe $500 but you can sell the Deluxe for $300 so the delta is $200. Easy upgrades if you can sell the parts.
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Best my friend keep going like this support from me only love and happiness to all people and never give up i wish the best to all people !!!!
When is the chromag video coming
Sunday!
please make a video with bicyle computer.
Thanks for this video. It killed my urge to upgrade for no good reason.
I have Deluxe and I do 5 foot kickers and it's fine 🤣
Rockshock is smoother on trails that’s all , competition or decent get fox or high end +400$ shocks
Always loving it broo💗
Much love from Philippines ‼️
Great video
I Put A Rockshox On my Bike and its Way Better than with The Fox
Hola, que presión y rebote me recomendarias para el deluxe? Peso 80kg. Gracias
I think that you should have serviced the shock before
Dude you're almost to 20k. Advance congrats to you.
No fox Just ROCK SHOX! :)
Rockshox is designed to be able to service at home, they have my vote!
Hello..awesome video mate ❤
But I need you personal opinion please..
I have trek fuel ex 5 2022.. comes with Xfusion Pro rear shock..
Am looking for upgrade ..
Between rockshox ultimate deluxe and fox racing float DPS .. any suggestions.. witch one I go for.. please 👍
Rockshox hands down. I love the way Rockshox is way more supportive mid stroke, especially the nicer ultimate deluxe
@@EvansMTBSaga thank you for your reply ❤.. am going for rockshox.. keep doing great job ❤
1:41 you have damaged your fox. there you know where the dint is from ;)
I appreciate you being a big fan and paying such close attention! But this shock was purchased before the Yeti, and the Yeti frame came with its own Fox Factory shock.
@@EvansMTBSaga :)
You give good info in your videos, probs my most fav channel about bikes along with Seth, stay at it 💪
Who better?
Nice one. Please try a megneg test / comparison too. Some sites price it a 50$
Bolt size is 1/2 28 for the correct ones
I couldn't find them at the hardware store! Thanks for that, I couldn't find that info online
Did you put the one up carbon bars and the rental stem back on???
There is no way u where 30 sek slower with the rockshox bc I have tried both and there could mby be a 5 to 10 second difference on a 4 min track
Yeah there's a lot of variables with testing like that.
I actually ordered this shock in for my norco sight 1 month ago, and it was a awesome upgrade from my monarch.
i would rather buy the pikes ultimate and updated deluxe with megneg, cheaper and smoother
I checked into MegNeg recently and it won't fit my specific shock stroke of 45mm
@@EvansMTBSaga ah yea its 47.5mm minimun damn it, sorry my bad :(
The fox is so fast
nice that you made this video short to get more clicks and got straight to the point
Kashima 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
Titanium nitride coating for scissors
You could try the MegNeg upgrade from RockShox
I have fox on the front and a rockshox debonair Rt3 monarch plus piggyback and it's a fantastic shock I got it used once but he changed to a coil for £140 with bottom out tokens and a full rebuild kit and had a fox of equal spec and agree fox feels alot like a coil but othe than that no difference fox feels a like skittish if psi is 5 off perfect sag rockshox alot more forgiving I find fox over complex and I had to send it of to be rebuilt as needs a few specific tools my monarch I can rebuild it over a beer or 2 and rockshox offer a nice free pdf diy step by step full colour pictures guide fox basically want u to take it to and official fox repair and service centre otherwise decline any defec5 or warranty claim Rockshox yep no problem her the replacement parts u need the Rockshox is for any DIY shed in back garden rider the fox is for the professional bit more cash amateur sport racer guy but forks fox all the way I have a 2012 Fox Float R32 F-series air fork and absolutely beautiful the fox's are alot more simpler like a rockshox and easy DIY but shocks a no no
Got my 03 Jekyll 1000 with a lefty and fox float r. Bike looks and feels brand new despite the age. Fox float is amazing, can’t imagine how nice a modern one is. Also my lockout finally stopped working after years so might have to do a rebuild
hey i was wondering what the size of the shock you got was because ive got a d7 as well
190x45
Gotta try that Saga test loop one of these days. Great improvising on the tools you did there.👍
Haha the Saga test loop is nothing to write home about. Tons of good trails here in PHX though. I'd rather visit your guys trails, that Lucky 13 trail looks sick!
Now you need to get the kashima dropper
yay
That costs more than my bike 🚲 bru😂😂😂😂
More content! Best mtb vids on yt!
These videos are so tough to be done "right" but I think you did a pretty good job.
The only thing that seems to be missing from your setup is talk about volume spacers. Correct setup should be about setting sag, riding, checking bottom out, changing spacer, etc. Ideally set your sag and use 80% travel on a normal, tame trail. On a gnarly trail you want to use about 95% leaving you a little room for error. Then adjust damping to suit and compare.
I know this adds more time to the comparison but it'll pay off in the long run.
I'm 10 months into ownership of my Trek Fuel EX 8 and I've finally got my suspension to 95% of where I'm happy. increasing the volume spacer by 20% and dropping air pressure by 5PSI made all the difference and now I have a much higher ride height despite very similar sag which means less bottom out, more real world travel and better mid stroke support without the harshness.
Sorry for the HUGE comment, I just love everything suspension and tyres :P
Nope, you set up your sag to be at 20 to 30 percent, set rebound accordingly, and add volume spacers according to how strong of a rider you are. Otherwise, your setting your sag to the trail, not you. Most of the actual fine tuning of this should be about better or worse after changing one thing slightly on the same section of trail, not by checking bottom out. Just listen to any podcast by an actual suspension designer and they will tell you that.
@@jonathanbaxter6254 I've read what you have to say and I understand where you're coming from. All I'll say on the matter is, you need to know where you're aiming for. If I setup my bike to what I think is right for my level and ride it at my local trail I might use 70% travel, take it to Dyfi and I blow through my travel, take it to Whistler and tackle A-line and I've smashed through my travel before I've even left the lip. You have to factor in where you're riding otherwise you'll end up with a bike more harsh than required or so plush it can't cope on the really gnarly stuff.
amazing review! so good to see how far you've come on youtube dude :) you're gonna be up there with seth one day!
Now I can officially say it’s fully dripped out with the dabble kashima coat
You are currently my favorite MTB channel. Each and every video rocks!
What???? You like the channel of a guy who torque his suspension with an electric tool????? 🤣🤣🤣
Q: Is the this frame the same as T7 or T8 ?
I can't say for sure, but I'll say there's no way this d7 could fit a bigger shock or a longer stroke
dobré tričko
please do a test comparing a set of yesterdays underwear vs a fresh set. curious to see time difference on a typical 20mile ride
Sometimes you forget to do laundry ya know!
I would throw a 34 and a CTD in the trash....
Haha they hold value, so sell them to a schmuck instead of the trash!
here they are shittin on rockshox while i have a suntour 😭😭😭
The Colors dont match, thats why i dont drive it.
What bottle cage setup are you running?
Just a heads up on why the colors don’t match…. That rear shock is older than that fork and they made the kashima a different color in around 2020 I think.
the problem is Fox 34 is not a big enough fork for that bike
You need to do at least three runs on each shock to get more accurate results.
I bought my Norco bike frame for $300 with a DHX Air on it. better upgrade :) Good video, love the content :)
Normally you can go nearly equal fast on the descent with a hardtail or a fully. But on the HT you become earlier tired.
Your RS rear shock´s maybe a little too harsh, but I dont think that´s the only reason for the loss of nearly 30 seconds to the Fox Factory rear shock.
Oh yeah absolutely. I had a big race the day prior too so I was pretty gassed out
evan! i have notis on but never get them! haven’t don’t much mountain biking recently, but i’m excited for the opening of berm park, are you planning to travel out sometime?
Haha dang well better late than never ☺️ I'm still in grind mode for the channel so I don't really have plans to travel for riding yet. I've still never rode a bike park!
You'r wife must be very happy lol
I always wondered the same thing, why does the Kashima not match!?!? The front is always gold and the rear more bronze colored. Close, but not a perfect match
16th comment ( strangely proud of this )
I do like the medium/trail setting on the Fox. I use it when I'm trying to conserve energy on long climbs. I know Rockshox has a similar one but I haven't tried it.
Evan, I wanted to let you know that Kashmia coat is not made by Fox. It’s a private company that has the secret sauce to create that coating that has the lowest coefficient of friction possible. They won’t share their proprietary coating secrets but it is extremely hard for them to keep the gold color the same. But it’s a sacrifice fox is willing to pay to have the smoothest travel which in return creates a more predictable tune and ride.
lol at "secret ingredients" lol again
Short but very informative! Love it! So will you keep the fox on there? I guess so huh?
evan please change the stickers on front fork. that stickers just didnt match the bike's color. u can buy black fox stickers.
I have a plan to sell the fork. Big series coming soon!
@@EvansMTBSaga what ?! its fox 34 lmao. u cant even sell what u paid for
Have you looked at the MegNeg from rockshoxs? It’s an option i’m considering for my T7. Supposedly helps you get a little more mid stroke support from the deluxe.
ROCK SHOX IS BETHER
that fox float evol is the worst shock from fox I ever tried
Idol
I have the same shock and always keep it in the middle setting unless coming down hill then it goes to full open its good, and has a bigger air spacer then the normal shocks
It kinda sucks balls the kashima don’t match.
The Polygon Siskiu T8 comes with a Fox Float shock (and Rythm 34 front). The T7 has the Rockshox Deluxe (and Rockshox Recon front).
That's a pretty good deal I'd say
you should upgrade to wireless shifting! it would make your bike loo way much cleaner with less cables!!!
That will be coming, doing a big series soon!
Letsssss goooooooo