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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Gstaad 1975 - 7: If thought cannot achieve, why should it suffer?
Series: Truth, actuality, and the limits of thought
Summary:
How does science investigate the mysterious?
If thought cannot achieve, why should it suffer?
Can consciousness, which is filled with the things of thought, empty itself?
Thought cannot possibly apprehend, comprehend or be aware of the whole.
Time.
Krishnamurti’s early years.
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[@wdwdHenry9022]

These talks are a real treasure
I have a sense that he is watching over us still
Thank you K sir.
🙏🏻

[@jayadityag7670]

That is still thought

[@methane13]

@@jayadityag7670 😀

[@himanshusingh3890]

he would say, dont imagine stuff ! I am sure, these talks are indeed a treasure

[@himanshusingh3890]

around 42:00 the discourse by bhom about thought, center, thought sustaining the center, center having no reality on its own, as reality of mountain (not created by thought) and reality of microphone(created by thought) both existing independently of thought
thought associating pain and pleasure to the center, thought not aware of creating center hence assuming its existence independedent of though and so on
is so spot on, K must have been also baffeled by the precise elaboration
Human beings are amazing

[@bharathbhushan916]

1:38:28 levitation

[@rajagopalramani3719]

Beautiful beautiful beautiful wonderful wonderful wonderful love you love you love you. Give everything in actuality let it flower. Thank you thank you thank you 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@nagarjunachoudary1757]

1:33:53 When he talks about his experience in Bombay, the water turning sweet on the second round, is it the effect of sanyaasi or K

[@tusharyechakar9138]

I understand that it was due to old sannyasin but he himself was not aware of it.

[@nagarjunachoudary1757]

You are correct, the sanyaasi was unaware, the point was the pointlessness of the strange or seemingly mysterious. Thanks.

[@papagabriola6494]

If any of us is not agnostic (assume the word is the thing here), then we are led by thought. Begin.

[@johnchappell9232]

Thought has a relationship to feeling as a particle has to a wave.
It's possible to trace the immediate path of a thought, in its isolation, but feelings are more like a Web.The distribution of feeling is such that its impossible to tell its immediate situation.
Thoughts seem to be a method of engagement with the Web of feeling, but then occasionally a thought will appear out of the Web also.
For example when I feel love it is most relatable to the senses and perceptions inherent in the structure of bird life. So if I think of birds, how they behave to each other, their priorities etc, it gives me a framework on which to construct a thought. And to relay that to another.
When relaying the entire feeling is impossible.
Perhaps thought is a communication device and when communication is limited amongst individuals it becomes full of static.

[@subhaschandrabag]

Tremendous

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

The mysterious is mysterious because we haven't explored into it scientifically Yet. Once we do it's no longer mysterious. But there will always be mysterious things happening out there because we will Never explore everything simply for the reason that things are infinite thus there will be infinitely many mysterious things happening. And it's all ok we don't need to explore and explain everything/endlessly.

[@karanagrawal8499]

He is not talk of such mystery of which you are refering to. In his 6 talk percievieng without perciever

[@zeynelblknc]

what you talk about is what they refer to as the reality which is created by thought, in reality, a lot of things which are unknown can be discovered, explained, and they say that since in modern age a lot of things are being explained, discovered, people started to lose the sense of mystery in general, but K says that there is an another mystery which is of a different order and cannot possibly be touched by thought ever, hence science cannot also.

[@TheMonacarol]

Amazing ❤

[@gocorona4381]

Scary.....

[@vamcKrishna97]

28:30 unconsciousness
What does it do

[@img008]

35:00

[@a_man_jaiswal]

47:24

[@robertopuccianti8498]

🙏🧡🌻

[@sachindivakar632]

If someone don't have knowledge / understanding of what mystery it is how observer will be Mysterious ?

[@billabongg973]

There is no observer separate from the observed, thats the mystery.

[@janrod3974]

Is there more to be told about the friendship between K and David Bohm? Somehow I am curious...

[@KFoundation]

Thank you for your comment. There is indeed much to be told about K and Bohm's remarkable collaboration. A book on the topic came out recently, you can find it at this link: amzn.eu/dJ66Jic Also, stay tuned for more features on K and Bohm from the Foundations' side.

[@senk2352]

One of the most illuminating conversations between K and DB.
Like The Ending of Time, the book "The Limits of Thought" contains revealing conversations.

[@henrylopez945]

Sorry my friend, but love, friendship has no bias, no opinion, no view on the harmonious communication , that's what love is and, fortunately for both these gentlemen that they found each other, makes my understanding a bit clearer by understanding how together they have explained clarity each with their own language.
I'm happy, aren't you my friend, happy!

[@richardcrocker8048]

Down the rabbit hole we go ....

[@sylviagung1007]

One way relationship. Find out for yourself. Don't trust anyone or any authority!

[@leilamobasserii]

❤️

[@BEDLAMITE-5280ft.]

It’s penetrated through ritual magic. The theosophist highest mystery is the mystery of generation.

[@alexfifi9734]

Please