This is one of those narratives that started back in the day on reddit/4chan/twitter and with a couple of clips that don't tell the full story. It paints the JP fanbase in a more negative light than was actually the case and gives more credit to the overseas fanbase than is due. Not saying that some JP fans didn't over react and that overseas fans didn't help, both of these are true, but it's been exaggerated to fit the narrative. It's been repeated so often now though that most people just treat it as a fact. There was never a mass exodus of Towa's JP fans. As is often the case with this type of drama it was just a small number of crazies. Also the issue wasn't that she had a bf, it was that she panicked and lied that it was management...very similar to the Rushia situation where the issue was never "GFE" or that she was messaging mafumafu, it was that she panicked and broke her NDA. Overseas bros absolutely had her back though and it was around the time Hololive was blowing up in the west because of Korone, Miko, Fubuki and the others so there was a large influx of EN viewers to everyone. So overall still a great video, I just think that overtime the facts tend to get sensationalized and made more melodramatic by fans retelling it because it makes for a better story, making finding what actually happened a lot more difficult. Keep up the good work!
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience. Basically when the vtuber goes full on "yes we ARE in a REAL relationship" to their fans, giving them tons of fan service and what not. One example of this being Rushia, going so far as to sell wedding rings with marriage certificates.
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience. It tends to get labeled on vtubers/streamers who do ASMR content or do yandere skits like Rushia did. My personal opinion here, but the whole GFE label is kinda absurd to me. 95% of Rushia's content was gaming streams, she rarely did ASMR and the yandere skits were no more than any other member like Korone or a bunch of other vtubers do. She was famous for her rage, not for acting like a girlfriend.
It unironically ended up being one of the best moments for her career. By purging her audience of fans like that during her early career it has allowed her to be unhindered when it comes to collabs. Nowadays she has the most amount of connections in the Vtuber community of any Hololive talent by far having played with people from Nijisanji, Vspo, 774, a bunch of large Japanese indie Vtubers/Regular RUclipsrs, and even Western Apex Pros like RPR .
Yep. This is pretty much a blessing in disguise since her popularity skyrocketed, and she got a ton of exposure and connection that usually takes a lot of time to get. plus, a free "Garbage" disposal at the start of her career. A pretty much best case scenario.
If it weren't for this case, which purged all her toxic "fans" in the beginning, Towa won't have shining career in APEX. If she kept "pure idol mentality" like Kanata and refusing any contact with men, she won't be partnered with CPT, Mondo or Selly, and would never win any APEX Tournaments. It is truly a blessing in disguise. Her fanbase nowadays dont give a crap whoever she wants to collab with, men and women alike.
@@Cosmoman78 what you have against kanata, just asking because she Is successful in her career as an idol to the point that her Path as lead her to More success than towa in the wallet department, maybe if you understand More about them too you Will see that neither towa or kanata are doing nothing wrong in their own paths as streamers, towa was a lot More of an fps gamer that Is why she needed connections, kanata Is not so good at gaming so and she actually had a bad reputation with the community at the start called a leech to coco and now she overcome that, but because you dont watch her you are trying to shit on her and her choice to be like she wants.
This also shows how much the company has changed, they went from: "we're sorry for inconvenience caused by the talent", to: "Our company has no control over the talent's private life".
@@TOBY-jy7bz Rushia's drama prior to her Termination, the company was defending her "potentially having a relationship IRL", up until she leaked information, and then she was Terminated
@@TheDarkSinedwestern fans could find their own wife cheating on them in bed with another man and still take her back the next day this is the mentality of 'overseas bros' 😂
She really has been one of the most committed to learn English, which is great. I think her fanbase includes many Korean fans as well, maybe because she played much with Korean Apex players.
so who that male voice? her brother too??(like other vtubers that called brother/sister that secretly their bf/gf) is he in one house like rushia mafu n fbk oga too?? moona brother now its famous as rendy the moona pregnator(congrats of the first kid moona irl) maybe we dont deserve their irl time becoz we just love the virtual vtuber not the irl girl who voicing them, so i dunno what we can do in future becoz the all talent irl have future too
@@nev781 Time will show what happened to her (maybe). She joining another group? Doing something else? Or just staying private and never stream again. We won't know the true cause, until we do. Tons of people who talked shit about her are trolls who just want to put a group of people in bad light. Some are actually in that group. THE HATE FROM BOTH SIDES IS BAD NO MATTER WHAT AND IS NOT JUSTIFIED.
It literally could have been anyone, a brother, dad, or yes a boyfriend. It's legit sad that people fetish/fantasies got messed up from the mistake, sad really.
It was probably none of those! The voice wasn't even from inside Towa's home, it was over the in-game voice chat. It was even more inoffensive than what the video states here.
Wait are you trying to tell my all the the hololive girls don't love me and may actually have a life outside of playing video games? Next you'll tell me they're using the toilet during idol meetings.
As a kenzoku i am very happy for towa sama her music saved me when i was in a despair a 2 years ago thats when i discovered hololive and she became my oshi
It was around that time I found this community as well. I often wonder how many people were genuinely saved from the mental mess of 2020 because of the lifeline Hololive sent out to them. It really did create an escape from the political and social strife. Ultimately it's just internet entertainment, but it still represented something wholesome and optimistic that was sorely lacking elsewhere at the time.
I'm the same way, cause I kept jumping from different people in hololive and always thought that okayu ( hoped I spelled that right ) was my favorite. Once I gave towa a chance due to seeing a clip of her 3D debut I was in complete disbelief with how incredibly talented she was. So from then on she is my absolute favorite and will forever be my oshi
At one point, her chat had mostly English comments. Nowadays, it mostly has Japanese comments, like any other JP member, which is probably for the best. Also, between this "controversy" and how nicely the incident with Mel's stalker got resolved, relatively speaking, has left us wildly inadequately prepared for when Mano Aloe left.
All the Kaigai Nikki Kenzoku are still there with Towa, they just mostly use the Fandiscord to talk instead of speaking in english in chat. But when ever Towa asks something regarding english you will instantly see the chat get filled with english. They are here, they just dont saturate chat with english.
@@VindyCh. Oh, I'm not accusing overseas kenzokus of disappearing. I'm just saying that her Japanese audience has grown dramatically since then, which, for a streamer who is most fluent in Japanese, is a good thing.
@@MaidenlessScrub We Kenzoku Protect Towa-Sama as much as we can, if she's upset we cheer her up. If she is feeling like giveing up, we give her power to push on. It is pretty much the same treatment Aki gets, i am in the rabbit hole since Sora Dai Senpai's debuted. I have seen them all grow over the Years. But Aki always has a sweet spot in my heart and trough out the Gens it was Coco and Towa wich i spent the most time watching. I will always be a Tatsunoko, but same a Rosetai and Kenzoku.
@@jaferg I am actually really happy that Towa-sama has grown her Japanese fan base also over the Years since that incident. But Percent wise its still more of a 60-40% Kaigai Nikki fan base for her, she has a massive English speaking fanbase and also a rather large Korean Fanbase.
This reminds me of Rushia's controversy, and it makes me sad. It shows that she could have bounced back from what happened, but she panicked and leaked information that broke her contract with hololive.
Yup that's why i don't like how strict they are with BS about things there. I believe they should have their personal life hell i hope they have boyfriends or are married those girls are amazing and really talented all of them and people just shitting over them because some simp can't get trough his head that some girl can have a boyfriend is really f...d up.
@@kylewood4488-b9r yea, I'm up to date with it as well. It seems like Rushia is just unstable as a person in general. Her possessive and insecure behaviour makes me concerned for her mental health.
I didn't initially like her design, but her voice was captivating, especially when I listened to her covers. Then I grew to like her more as the years went on and hearing this story just makes me appreciate her even more! Do your best, Towa-sama, and everyone else in the Hololive company!
I also remember reading a comment about Pekora (I think it was Pekora, could have been a different member) getting backlash after she accidently showed that she tracked her menstrual cycles on a calendar, and some of the obsessed fans thought that meant she had a "partner". It's unreal how parasocial fans get with idols. Really happy to learn that overseas fans helped Towa through it.
lmao that's the stupidest shit ever (also a sign that these mfs never really interacted with women irl lol). Women HAVE to track their menstrual cycles for health reasons, not just bc of sex lol.
Man, I remember this. I fell down the vtuber rabbit hole around that time, and would watch and support Towa after all the drama, glad to see our angel managed to bounce back and become one of the most beloved members of Hololive.
i love towa. she was one of the first hololive members i saw clips of, and i took a liking to her personality immediately. she is so funny and sweet. i’m happy both she and her audience are in a better place now. it’s nice to see her grow
First off, if it was a boyfriend or husband, that shouldn't be any of our business. Secondly, the voice could be a lot of other males with no romantic or sexual relationship. Father, brother, roommate, friend. All of those and more are possible relationships this man could have to her.
This video is a little bit incorrect about the incident itself - the voice wasn't even from inside Towa's home. It was over the in-game voice chat, and the male voice was talking about the game. It didn't stop a certain sect of viewers from absolutely losing their minds over it, though. 🙄
You talking about the ideal and i agree with you but unfortunately thats not how idol culture work in japan. They know what theyre getting into and accept what come with it
@ルリ except no one should accept such bs. It isn't anyone's business who anyone is friends with in rl or what their relationship status is. No fan is owed anything of this sort no matter much they want to believe they are. This is toxic..
@@nobody-xh6ii even heard when in rome do as roman does? This is exactly it except its japan. I dont like it too but it is what it is. They know the risk and accept it just like how they accept the reward.
Hey man.... Congrats to whoever is with Towa-Sama. I hope he's just as proud of her as we are and supports her as much if not more than we do. I'm just happy she continued to stay and give us entertainment that we enjoy and I'm glad we got to listen to the amazing bangers that she's released.
Do note that nowadays Towas fanbase has gone back to majority Japanese. After the whole male voice debacle Towa has suffered quite a slow growth, I believe one of the turning point to this is her 3D debut stream. Her singing Error in that stream jumpstarted her rise. Other than that, her participation in various APEX tournaments also help boost up her popularity. A lot of JP Apex viewer saw her performance and fell in love with her resulting in her current viewerbase.
not only did the overseas fans help she paid it forward when it comes to the ID and EN girls shes the one who communicates with them first shes the one who helps them when they are over in japan and u can truly see that she loves overseas people as a whole
Tokoyami "the beloved" Towa sama. . The unspoken title or nickname given by the viewers as early as 250,000 subs. . Despite the hardships she had encountered, towa sama always has been worried towards her viewers. . Miss Towa cares. a lot. That's why everyone simply called her "Angel." . Everyone knew they met someone "special." . We love you Towa Sama! 🥰
I still remember seeing all this happen in real time and seeing the overseas fans rally up for Towa in that week alone. It was kind of a blessing in disguise in that Towa never really had a notable identity since her debut until after she returned. By that time, only her real fans stood by.
I remember back then that there was this artist who draws alot of amazing Towa art. He only draws Towa, and I've never seen him drawn anything else, but Towa. His art is incredibly fantastic, and back then when Towa was not as popular, he was the only one who's art I see related to Towa. One of his art that I really like was this illustration of Towa crying because she has an halo and an angel wing on his back. However, this artist has unforunately took a break from illustrating because he is going to join the army, and Towa has fortunately send him off. I'm not sure if this artist is still active from drawing cause I barely see his illustration on my following post, but I give that artist a salute because he was one of the original artist who stick to Towa from the very beginning and brought shine to Towa when she was still small. Today, Towa has like 4k+ illustration which is absolutely wild for me, cause I've stick with Towa ever since her 3D debut. Honestly, an incredibly journey from an incredible person, both Mr. Lime and Tokoyami Towa.
I haven't watched a lot of hololive recently, but I really like watching Towa and her Apex streams. I'm really glad that she stayed in and continue to stream today. I really love her singing streams and also songs and covers too!
One of the first hololive members I subscribed to. There have been smiles we have failed to protect before but seeing Towa's on her 3d debut and the original songs she's made for us, I'm glad that we've managed to protect this one at least
Ah thank you for bringing it up for those who are unaware of this drama at that time, it's basically "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" quite from Sentinel Prime that Towa's overwhelming English speaking viewers came to her rescue and saved her career.
Seeing Cover's response on Towa back in the day apologizing, vs Cover ready to defend Rushia about personal relationship rumour before they found out the NDA breach, yeah, Cover did really learnt about protecting talent, rather than pleasing minority of fans (even tho i feel like they were way smaller back then, i can see they need to please the small number of fans) I hope this is a good projectory first for talent, and it trickle down to cultivating better fanbase
I got in Hololive a few months after this, via Korone's Doom streams. So I was never aware of this incident. So it turns out there's much more to TOWA's effort to speak English than just from playing APEX. That's great to know. Thanks for creating this video.
I started watching hololive in late 2019, and I feel like this was a really important event in the vtubing story as a whole. Had this happened maybe even 6 months earlier there could very well have simply not been enough western watchers to rally together. It showed that not only could we be a part of the culture, but that we could even make things better than when we arrived. I also get the feeling this was significant to Cover. This would have been around the time EN would have been starting planning. Yes there was Coco, but to arrive at the 11th hour and save not only a talent but also their image showed that overseas viewers were a viable market, and that was even with a language barrier.
i really appreciate overseas fans for supporting her the male voice could her bf,family or friend or others,idk. idol or not,She has her own life outside her job.
Imagine almost being cancelled by your own so called "FANS" for something so petty. It's really sad that they would do such a thing. I don't understand their mentality, but damn.
I don't care what happened. Instead I want to say that when I heard Towa's cover "Brilliant" for the first time, it was like I was struck by lightning. I never heard anything so beautiful before. Since that day I became kenzoku and there is no way back.
I remember that it was sad (her followers dropped a lot, but after that many overseas made her followers increase more and more). In retrospect, thanks to that now she can even do collabs with men. Personally, I see that incident more as doing a weirdos cleanup.
You mean to tell me.. that my already unattainable Tokoyami Towa is... even less attainable?! The horror! Seriously though.. she is just so damn charming and sweet. Not to mention talented. She obviously has a life outside of streaming. She's not Korone, after all! That woman lives in her stream and I swear she doesn't even sleep. Only stops to snack sometimes. Or maybe blow our eardrums out with her idol-sneezes. I hope Towa has exactly the life she hoped for and enjoys every bit of luxury that her hard work gives her. And yes, that includes having a boyfriend.
Never knew any of this happened so thanks for the info. I feel like her prominent role in the recent GTA event has helped fans like me (who barely understand a word of Japanese) see and learn more about her, so undoubtedly her star continues to rise.
Yah this is the time i fell in the rabbit hole... Im still trying to know as much holo talent as much as possible and 4th gen hasnt had their 3d debut, i jusr discover towa was on break regarding this issue that time
Kinda sad really, they fail to understand that outside the character, our oshi still have life to live lets be honest here most if not all of em has a boyfriend already and probably has to keep em secret just because of hardcore fan, but still i love watching them because i see a friend, a sister, a mother (eh somewhat you get what you get tho), a dad (im looking at you dad), a kusogaki, because i like their personality and enjoy their stream
I missed this controversy by a couple weeks, only really dabbing my feet into the rabbit hole around the time she debuted. But its crazy how similar this was to Mano Aloes controversy. I know she did a couple other things towa didnt do but the thought of Towa requesting graduation makes me sick. Shes done so much and has one of the best singing voices in the company, and even becoming one of my favorites with her music and cuteness alone. Glad she got through it and was able to shine bright going forward
Yeah this video also reminded me of her. Makes me think on the "what-should've" for our short-lived succubus-in-training, but yeah that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.
I joined started watching Hololive around the time this had sorted itself out so wasn't really involved but looking back on the way Towa interacts with the EN lot & tries her hand at English so much it's nice to see the link
In hindsight this was great for her career, especially as an apex/fps focused streamer since most apex streamers are male. It let her clear the male collab hurdle early on in her career and any shit she'll put up with won't be as bad as the first incident. Now she can comfortable collab with any apex players, female or male alike without any resistance or problems because of what she's gone through and i think she's happier for it too.
It suck how it only take some minor percentage of the fan, making a big deal out of nothing, to cause problem for not just idol but entertainment personalities in general. But glad this story got a happy ending, also nice going of the fan who know better and treat it as no big deal, which really it isn't 😂
still Towa's one of those JP vtuber I always see collabing with other non-hololive be it male or female from other companies, this actually boosted hololive/cover more as some viewers only looked at their own following and seeing hololive outside of their safezone probably made them look at that direction. really good thing they never back down with that mindset like holomem should be able to collab with ANYONE regardless of fan's expectation it should always be the talent's decision and not the decision of the fans. it boosted more and more after opening EN branch it was a huge success and opening ID branch made it even better now hololive looks like they're aiming for nurturing their talents instead of adding more.
This was how I discovered Hololive and vtubers alike, weirdly enough. Almost 3 years later and Towa is still my oshi. Don't think a persona over the internet has brought me more joy, and honestly can't ask for much more than that.
I remembered watching her 3D Debut when I'm still new to the Hololive, and that Live Stream made me a Kenzoku. Up until now, even tho I take breaks from hololive time to time, I still go back to her, she is just so Precious.
I want to add that in a stream idk if it was members only stream, she mentioned that she wasnt forced to take a break after the controversy she just felt like she should discipline herself by taking a break.
I’m relatively new to Hololive and Vtubers in general, when I hear things that happened before I even knew this existed it makes me happy to know that we as in Internet overseas fans, have a history of good behavior and support ❤
😭I didn’t know about all of this until now, even though I was most probably watching her back, when it happened! To be fair, I don’t really watch Apex, because it’s too repetitive and violent for me, but I was watching many clips and collabs with her. Some people in the internet are absolutely merciless. That was so harsh😭 She always alongside with Fubuki makes collabs so much fan. What a disastrous ending it could have been! So glad to see there are still some kind people in the internet
*male voice on Towa's stream* "BOO!" *rpr on Towa's stream* "YAY!!!" really annoying of the double standard of these so-called "fans". for me, I'd like for them to have a normal life, even have a family & a lifelong partner they can spend their life with. I hope for all the happiness for every Hololive talent, since they bring so much joy to us.
From what I understand, the male voice voice thing happened years ago and had the unexpected blessing of "purging" the crazies from her channel, which is why now people are chill with her having rpr on stream and such
Your videos are very informative and to the point. I don't know much about HoloLive, so I've got to know different Vtubers and their inspirational stories ❤
Towa was so close for graduation that days, terrible attitude of the japanese harassing her she see us as family (towas fans), we supported TMT in the darkest hours :3
Towa has a very detacated overseas following from those days. As far as I can tell most stayed even if less around not. This was before the millions of subs closer to 100k if anything maybe a bit more.
This case and Mano Aloe case basically almost the same except Mano Aloe got harassed even further even to the point got doxxed which is really fucked up.
If i remember correctly, Towa's mistake was that she said it was her manager, and cover said that it was a lie, that was the reason she took a week break. The main problem that japanese fans are confusing "Idol like" Vtubers with real Idols, Vtubers have the rights to anything they want, as long as it doesn't break the rules, and Hololive Vtubers are free to date anyone, exept co-workers as stated by Matsuri. Real Idols on other hand doesn't have rights to have a romantic relationship, smoking, drinking alcohol and etc. And it's not just rules, it's the essence of being and idol, if you take one thing off, they will not be idols anymore, because these things are basis of idol culture.
I saw plenty of Japanese tweets where they were supportive of Towa and said there was nothing to apologize for. It wasn't just overseas fans that helped her.
Imo apology is the worst thing that Hololive have done in that case - because it was like admitting they have done sth wrong, while it was completely the toxic fans fault, and they were the only ones to be blamed and ridiculed.
Says the extremist fans that drove away Coco. And the toxic fans that got Rushia fired. If you ask me, there is no such thing as "foreign" fans being better. Toxic fans are going to be toxic regardless of where they are from.
This is also one of the reason why Yagoo now stating that they are an Entertainment Company. Some people argued with me, even Cover is an Entertainment Company, Hololive is their Idol division thus it should stay as is because Idol division is also part of an entertainment. But let's face it. We all know why Yagoo said that. Yagoo is no longer want the company get stuck in Idol world. because Idol business got no room and tolerance to expand. Also, Hololive/Cover once said that they don't want to breach into talent's private life.
i just learn of this today from your video and i think its funny that this is happening around the time where i first start watching Hololive and ofc Towa so hearing that i whit out ever knowing what was going on was supporting when she might have needed it made me happy TMT all the way
I looked into the usual doxxing JP boards to see what kind of comments the JP side had on the whole male voice thing, and the controversy was about cheating in Apex when she said she was streaming solo. So it was never about being parasocial, but about being a fair, transparent streamer-which is presumably why Towa-sama took the criticism in her apology (now deleted or privated, I think). People just ran with the narrative that it was about parasocial viewers when the evidence was practically nonexistent and it was a bunch of EN viewers who didn’t know what was going on relating the facts as they knew them. It was mostly non-viewers who propagated the current narrative. I only startsd following her later so I wasn’t present at the stream in question, so I can’t verify the truth fully, but the GFE narrative seems irrelevant from what I saw (drama boards, replies to her deleted tweet).
I wish these self-proclaimed righteous westerner stopped spreading misinformation online. especially blaming the japanese audience which is the primary target for towa streams. this is as toxic as the idol culture in japan. stop criticizing something when you are literally clueless about how thing happened in the past.
I remember this happening and i was confused as to why people were angry. I had no idea having a boyfriend or even a males voice being heard would cause so much controversy. Id been watching miko since late 2019 but this was my first taste of idol culture. Even now i still dont care if they have boyfriends or husbands. In fact im worried that some of them wont get married😅.
Fun fact: while Towa-sama is still one of the hololive girls with one of the biggest overseas fandom, in Japan she is one of the most popular hololive girls among children and families due to her content being very kid friendly, yes, she plays APEX, but esports are growing as an industry and beyond FPS games she is very tame compared to many other vtubers, with basically no profanity or adult jokes, very easy to understand vocabulary, being a complete dork who enjoys making random voices and predilection for indie or puzzle games when she is not playing FPS games. There was an event in japan where you could meet and talk with hololive girls for a minute, of course, with Towa being a giant monitor, but you could interact with her in what is known as hand-shake event, just with no hand-shake in this case; she said that there were many cases of guys being accompanied by their younger sisters because they were fans of her and also a couple of entire families arriving to the event to see her. Also fun fact number two: She is also pretty popular among girls in JP due to her own fashion sense and slang, specifically among fashion girls and gyarus. Her speech pattern and accent is very reminiscent of gyarus, with her now famous nasal voice, usage of cute nicknames for characters and even using words from gyaru culture, not to mention her love for nail art, gyaru and street fashion and very modern mannerisms like making a heart with only the index and middle fingers and the inverted V sign, all used by teenagers and young adults. Due to this, there are many girls in Twitter that make nail art and even herbariums based upon Towa... also, her morning voice makes her very popular among the girls, you should read of the threads in 2CH (basically a JP based forum page) whenever Towa-kun makes and appearance.
@@129das For a time Towa and Aki were at the top, now I don't mean amount as in dollar amount I meant percent compared to japanese superchats, so their personal total
Back then Gen 0 and 1 barely conceived the notion of a vtuber, and everything was intended for japanese audiences.Their jokes, their type of talking streams, and their tv show were all made for Japanese audiences (referring to their broadcasts before Holograffiti). Yagoo is more of an entrepreneur so he really couldn't have. They were testing the waters if they even had a successful idea.
I doubt it he didn't know what he was making back then he was just supporting Sora's goals that's was to create an virtual idol group. Yes he did come up with the idea off likely one of her off handed comment or long term goal.
It's a really interesting story that started with Sora and A-Chan looking for tect to basic create Sora the vtuber and going to Yagoo tect company for high end technology at the time.
Faintly recall this, and not bashing the JP fans while we can point the finger really sad japanese companies are the way their are with non issues and gotta be how they are issuing a statement on literally a not issue. And funny i see more American (give or take) kpop fans on twitter on related things, anyway don't watch TMT much watch EN vtubers on twitch but i hold the mass flock of us american's fondly and sure we all can hope the drama that happens can end and us fans no matter where and past it all we can vibe and be civil human beings!
I actually remember that drama but I wasn't particularly aware of Towa so I was pretty disconnected from the whole ordeal. But looking back with this quick retrospective, Hololive's innital statement "apologizing" was a BIG yikes.
Unless I remembering wrong, I think I saw a LiveTL(?) or something where she said she wasn't forced to take a week break and it was instead her own choice. I could be wrong though.
idol companies need to start taking a better stance and just tell the "fans" that have an issue to fuck off any continued persistence will result in bans from everything related to the agency including concerts and live events... would probably only take someone who is crazy like that being banned by 1 or 2 agencies for them to stop all together
also look how cover back then and now they also grown. back then they were apologizing to the viewers, now a days they will be like nope not our problem you can not handle that these girls are more then just idols when it come to their private life. when you look how towa and cover had to but with rushia they back her up on the whole boy voice thing.
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This is one of those narratives that started back in the day on reddit/4chan/twitter and with a couple of clips that don't tell the full story. It paints the JP fanbase in a more negative light than was actually the case and gives more credit to the overseas fanbase than is due. Not saying that some JP fans didn't over react and that overseas fans didn't help, both of these are true, but it's been exaggerated to fit the narrative. It's been repeated so often now though that most people just treat it as a fact.
There was never a mass exodus of Towa's JP fans. As is often the case with this type of drama it was just a small number of crazies. Also the issue wasn't that she had a bf, it was that she panicked and lied that it was management...very similar to the Rushia situation where the issue was never "GFE" or that she was messaging mafumafu, it was that she panicked and broke her NDA.
Overseas bros absolutely had her back though and it was around the time Hololive was blowing up in the west because of Korone, Miko, Fubuki and the others so there was a large influx of EN viewers to everyone. So overall still a great video, I just think that overtime the facts tend to get sensationalized and made more melodramatic by fans retelling it because it makes for a better story, making finding what actually happened a lot more difficult. Keep up the good work!
Sorry what is GFE?
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience I think? Not sure though
@@somerando6215 GFE= Girlfriend Experience. Basically, a parasocial relationship between fans and the celebrity.
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience. Basically when the vtuber goes full on "yes we ARE in a REAL relationship" to their fans, giving them tons of fan service and what not.
One example of this being Rushia, going so far as to sell wedding rings with marriage certificates.
@@somerando6215 Girlfriend Experience. It tends to get labeled on vtubers/streamers who do ASMR content or do yandere skits like Rushia did.
My personal opinion here, but the whole GFE label is kinda absurd to me. 95% of Rushia's content was gaming streams, she rarely did ASMR and the yandere skits were no more than any other member like Korone or a bunch of other vtubers do. She was famous for her rage, not for acting like a girlfriend.
Probably a fun fact: Towa had the most English speaking/non Japanese fans among all Hololive in terms of viewer percentage before EN debuted
Probably by percentage. But I'm pretty sure Coco and Korone had more overall total
@@Humanistic_ Probably because Coco is fluent in English.
I believe, percentage-wise, Aki was in the top 3 for that as well.
@@KyokujiFGC Yeah, kinda obv with JIMMY-KUN and all
She still has the largest EN fanbase. Her english fandiscord is by far the most active in the HoloJP side.
Aki is close second.
It unironically ended up being one of the best moments for her career. By purging her audience of fans like that during her early career it has allowed her to be unhindered when it comes to collabs. Nowadays she has the most amount of connections in the Vtuber community of any Hololive talent by far having played with people from Nijisanji, Vspo, 774, a bunch of large Japanese indie Vtubers/Regular RUclipsrs, and even Western Apex Pros like RPR .
that's another one reason she has many fans. and most EN fans play apex so it kinda came naturally.
Yep. This is pretty much a blessing in disguise since her popularity skyrocketed, and she got a ton of exposure and connection that usually takes a lot of time to get. plus, a free "Garbage" disposal at the start of her career. A pretty much best case scenario.
If it weren't for this case, which purged all her toxic "fans" in the beginning, Towa won't have shining career in APEX. If she kept "pure idol mentality" like Kanata and refusing any contact with men, she won't be partnered with CPT, Mondo or Selly, and would never win any APEX Tournaments. It is truly a blessing in disguise. Her fanbase nowadays dont give a crap whoever she wants to collab with, men and women alike.
And I'd say we keep that up. Those "fans" are just parasocial creeps, and they shouldn't be tolerated regardless of any idol's own stance.
@@Cosmoman78 what you have against kanata, just asking because she Is successful in her career as an idol to the point that her Path as lead her to More success than towa in the wallet department, maybe if you understand More about them too you Will see that neither towa or kanata are doing nothing wrong in their own paths as streamers, towa was a lot More of an fps gamer that Is why she needed connections, kanata Is not so good at gaming so and she actually had a bad reputation with the community at the start called a leech to coco and now she overcome that, but because you dont watch her you are trying to shit on her and her choice to be like she wants.
This also shows how much the company has changed, they went from: "we're sorry for inconvenience caused by the talent", to: "Our company has no control over the talent's private life".
I mean they had to if they wanted to expand, a mentality like that is not really acceptable anywhere else but Japan :D
What incident shows the last part you mention?
@@TOBY-jy7bz Rushia's drama prior to her Termination, the company was defending her "potentially having a relationship IRL", up until she leaked information, and then she was Terminated
@@TheDarkSinedthat's true japan is one of the only places left in the world where most of the people have respect for themselves
@@TheDarkSinedwestern fans could find their own wife cheating on them in bed with another man and still take her back the next day this is the mentality of 'overseas bros' 😂
She really has been one of the most committed to learn English, which is great. I think her fanbase includes many Korean fans as well, maybe because she played much with Korean Apex players.
Coco was fluent in English, Hachama was near fluent, Korone had decent English before hololive too, ya korone is really smart, Huge intellectual.
so who that male voice? her brother too??(like other vtubers that called brother/sister that secretly their bf/gf) is he in one house like rushia mafu n fbk oga too?? moona brother now its famous as rendy the moona pregnator(congrats of the first kid moona irl) maybe we dont deserve their irl time becoz we just love the virtual vtuber not the irl girl who voicing them, so i dunno what we can do in future becoz the all talent irl have future too
@@mekich08 go seek some help, you need it
@@129das Hachama WAS? Did she retire?
@@D1ne-O-SAur no your reading my post in a different way.
I love what overseas members can do to help foreign people
pikamee: 👁️👄👁️
@@nev781 she planned even before the hogwart incident.
@@nev781lol true it shows that we too have crazy extremests for different reasons
most EN fans do not believe in asian taboos (example USA, Britain) and other asian fans that speak english do not believe in japanese taboos as well.
@@nev781 Time will show what happened to her (maybe). She joining another group? Doing something else? Or just staying private and never stream again. We won't know the true cause, until we do.
Tons of people who talked shit about her are trolls who just want to put a group of people in bad light. Some are actually in that group.
THE HATE FROM BOTH SIDES IS BAD NO MATTER WHAT AND IS NOT JUSTIFIED.
It literally could have been anyone, a brother, dad, or yes a boyfriend. It's legit sad that people fetish/fantasies got messed up from the mistake, sad really.
i mean it is the market, what do you expect?
it is the infamous dark side of idol culture in Japan after all
@@gerald5603 yeah... just japan...
It was probably none of those! The voice wasn't even from inside Towa's home, it was over the in-game voice chat. It was even more inoffensive than what the video states here.
Wait are you trying to tell my all the the hololive girls don't love me and may actually have a life outside of playing video games? Next you'll tell me they're using the toilet during idol meetings.
As a kenzoku i am very happy for towa sama her music saved me when i was in a despair a 2 years ago thats when i discovered hololive and she became my oshi
It was around that time I found this community as well. I often wonder how many people were genuinely saved from the mental mess of 2020 because of the lifeline Hololive sent out to them. It really did create an escape from the political and social strife. Ultimately it's just internet entertainment, but it still represented something wholesome and optimistic that was sorely lacking elsewhere at the time.
I'm the same way, cause I kept jumping from different people in hololive and always thought that okayu ( hoped I spelled that right ) was my favorite. Once I gave towa a chance due to seeing a clip of her 3D debut I was in complete disbelief with how incredibly talented she was. So from then on she is my absolute favorite and will forever be my oshi
At one point, her chat had mostly English comments. Nowadays, it mostly has Japanese comments, like any other JP member, which is probably for the best.
Also, between this "controversy" and how nicely the incident with Mel's stalker got resolved, relatively speaking, has left us wildly inadequately prepared for when Mano Aloe left.
All the Kaigai Nikki Kenzoku are still there with Towa, they just mostly use the Fandiscord to talk instead of speaking in english in chat. But when ever Towa asks something regarding english you will instantly see the chat get filled with english. They are here, they just dont saturate chat with english.
@@VindyCh. that silent guardians of an angel persona is kinda cool ngl
@@VindyCh. Oh, I'm not accusing overseas kenzokus of disappearing. I'm just saying that her Japanese audience has grown dramatically since then, which, for a streamer who is most fluent in Japanese, is a good thing.
@@MaidenlessScrub We Kenzoku Protect Towa-Sama as much as we can, if she's upset we cheer her up. If she is feeling like giveing up, we give her power to push on.
It is pretty much the same treatment Aki gets, i am in the rabbit hole since Sora Dai Senpai's debuted. I have seen them all grow over the Years. But Aki always has a sweet spot in my heart and trough out the Gens it was Coco and Towa wich i spent the most time watching.
I will always be a Tatsunoko, but same a Rosetai and Kenzoku.
@@jaferg I am actually really happy that Towa-sama has grown her Japanese fan base also over the Years since that incident. But Percent wise its still more of a 60-40% Kaigai Nikki fan base for her, she has a massive English speaking fanbase and also a rather large Korean Fanbase.
This reminds me of Rushia's controversy, and it makes me sad. It shows that she could have bounced back from what happened, but she panicked and leaked information that broke her contract with hololive.
Yeah it was her brother going home, I don't why kale fans gets jealous over a brother
Yup that's why i don't like how strict they are with BS about things there.
I believe they should have their personal life hell i hope they have boyfriends or are married those girls are amazing and really talented all of them and people just shitting over them because some simp can't get trough his head that some girl can have a boyfriend is really f...d up.
The Rushia controversy is much different knowing what has happened behind the scenes.
@@kylewood4488-b9r yea, I'm up to date with it as well.
It seems like Rushia is just unstable as a person in general. Her possessive and insecure behaviour makes me concerned for her mental health.
Now I know why some of my friend say some of Vtuber Fan base are delusion/halu
Towa's singing voice really hooks viewers such as myself and her unique nasally voice.
I didn't initially like her design, but her voice was captivating, especially when I listened to her covers. Then I grew to like her more as the years went on and hearing this story just makes me appreciate her even more! Do your best, Towa-sama, and everyone else in the Hololive company!
I also remember reading a comment about Pekora (I think it was Pekora, could have been a different member) getting backlash after she accidently showed that she tracked her menstrual cycles on a calendar, and some of the obsessed fans thought that meant she had a "partner". It's unreal how parasocial fans get with idols. Really happy to learn that overseas fans helped Towa through it.
lmao that's the stupidest shit ever (also a sign that these mfs never really interacted with women irl lol). Women HAVE to track their menstrual cycles for health reasons, not just bc of sex lol.
I remember that one, the overseas fans where exited because that means she IS a real girl
@@deidarapum that's hilarious. Gotta love em
@@deidarapum Us kaigainiki must be hilariously strange to the girls 😂
Girls just do that to avoid being unprepared. Some are disabled for days. One of my gfs would curl up in bed clutching a thermal bladder.
Man, I remember this. I fell down the vtuber rabbit hole around that time, and would watch and support Towa after all the drama, glad to see our angel managed to bounce back and become one of the most beloved members of Hololive.
i love towa. she was one of the first hololive members i saw clips of, and i took a liking to her personality immediately. she is so funny and sweet. i’m happy both she and her audience are in a better place now. it’s nice to see her grow
First off, if it was a boyfriend or husband, that shouldn't be any of our business.
Secondly, the voice could be a lot of other males with no romantic or sexual relationship. Father, brother, roommate, friend. All of those and more are possible relationships this man could have to her.
This video is a little bit incorrect about the incident itself - the voice wasn't even from inside Towa's home. It was over the in-game voice chat, and the male voice was talking about the game. It didn't stop a certain sect of viewers from absolutely losing their minds over it, though. 🙄
You talking about the ideal and i agree with you but unfortunately thats not how idol culture work in japan. They know what theyre getting into and accept what come with it
@ルリ except no one should accept such bs. It isn't anyone's business who anyone is friends with in rl or what their relationship status is. No fan is owed anything of this sort no matter much they want to believe they are. This is toxic..
@@nobody-xh6ii even heard when in rome do as roman does? This is exactly it except its japan. I dont like it too but it is what it is. They know the risk and accept it just like how they accept the reward.
@@ルリ-ruri
Good thing overseas fans didn't conform to that when it smelled like bullshit.
Hey man.... Congrats to whoever is with Towa-Sama. I hope he's just as proud of her as we are and supports her as much if not more than we do. I'm just happy she continued to stay and give us entertainment that we enjoy and I'm glad we got to listen to the amazing bangers that she's released.
Towa-sama and suisei has the strongest vocal cordes i have ever listen in hololive
Check out IRyS and ID branch Ayunda Risu too. They have tremendous singing voices.
To add on to the mentioned Girls, you should check out Kanata, Moona, Watame, Azki and Calli also.
And this is part of the reason why Palette hits harder as her original song. Even error despite being a cover, is a song that Towa made her own.
Do note that nowadays Towas fanbase has gone back to majority Japanese. After the whole male voice debacle Towa has suffered quite a slow growth, I believe one of the turning point to this is her 3D debut stream. Her singing Error in that stream jumpstarted her rise.
Other than that, her participation in various APEX tournaments also help boost up her popularity. A lot of JP Apex viewer saw her performance and fell in love with her resulting in her current viewerbase.
Has it? Pretty sure the foreigner fans still outnumber them, they just don't flood chat and keep to Discord unless called for.
not only did the overseas fans help she paid it forward when it comes to the ID and EN girls shes the one who communicates with them first shes the one who helps them when they are over in japan and u can truly see that she loves overseas people as a whole
while people oversea's ruined pikamee
@@AZ-hb7tp
No, _the circus of freaks_ did that.
Tokoyami "the beloved" Towa sama.
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The unspoken title or nickname given by the viewers as early as 250,000 subs.
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Despite the hardships she had encountered, towa sama always has been worried towards her viewers.
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Miss Towa cares. a lot.
That's why everyone simply called her "Angel."
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Everyone knew they met someone "special."
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We love you Towa Sama! 🥰
I still remember seeing all this happen in real time and seeing the overseas fans rally up for Towa in that week alone. It was kind of a blessing in disguise in that Towa never really had a notable identity since her debut until after she returned. By that time, only her real fans stood by.
Ooh, a male voice. Could have been a brother, father, cousin, or delivery man. The "purity" part of being an idol is really arcane and stupid.
She has male family members?
She allows men to deliver her food?
Idol paras: *I M P U R E*
THERE'S NO SUCH A THING AS MALE FAMILY
THERE IS NO MALE FAMILY! THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY MALE FAMILY! MALE FAMILY IS JUST A MYTH!
are they single
Or her piece of action for the night, either way it's none of the audience' damn business
I remember back then that there was this artist who draws alot of amazing Towa art. He only draws Towa, and I've never seen him drawn anything else, but Towa. His art is incredibly fantastic, and back then when Towa was not as popular, he was the only one who's art I see related to Towa. One of his art that I really like was this illustration of Towa crying because she has an halo and an angel wing on his back. However, this artist has unforunately took a break from illustrating because he is going to join the army, and Towa has fortunately send him off. I'm not sure if this artist is still active from drawing cause I barely see his illustration on my following post, but I give that artist a salute because he was one of the original artist who stick to Towa from the very beginning and brought shine to Towa when she was still small.
Today, Towa has like 4k+ illustration which is absolutely wild for me, cause I've stick with Towa ever since her 3D debut. Honestly, an incredibly journey from an incredible person, both Mr. Lime and Tokoyami Towa.
I haven't watched a lot of hololive recently, but I really like watching Towa and her Apex streams. I'm really glad that she stayed in and continue to stream today. I really love her singing streams and also songs and covers too!
One of the first hololive members I subscribed to. There have been smiles we have failed to protect before but seeing Towa's on her 3d debut and the original songs she's made for us, I'm glad that we've managed to protect this one at least
Towabros where we at?
Here!
Towa is and will always be my oshi
the one and only my oshi...Towa-sama
@@mynameiskhan4605 🙏❤
Kenzoku, you fake fan
TMT TMT 💜
Ah thank you for bringing it up for those who are unaware of this drama at that time, it's basically "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few" quite from Sentinel Prime that Towa's overwhelming English speaking viewers came to her rescue and saved her career.
Seeing Cover's response on Towa back in the day apologizing, vs Cover ready to defend Rushia about personal relationship rumour before they found out the NDA breach, yeah, Cover did really learnt about protecting talent, rather than pleasing minority of fans (even tho i feel like they were way smaller back then, i can see they need to please the small number of fans)
I hope this is a good projectory first for talent, and it trickle down to cultivating better fanbase
I got in Hololive a few months after this, via Korone's Doom streams. So I was never aware of this incident.
So it turns out there's much more to TOWA's effort to speak English than just from playing APEX. That's great to know. Thanks for creating this video.
It's so cute when she tries to communicate in English. I also got into Hololive due to the Doom streams.
wholesome girl with a banger voice, what else the damn pervs want? happy for her and the fully deserved success
I started watching hololive in late 2019, and I feel like this was a really important event in the vtubing story as a whole. Had this happened maybe even 6 months earlier there could very well have simply not been enough western watchers to rally together. It showed that not only could we be a part of the culture, but that we could even make things better than when we arrived.
I also get the feeling this was significant to Cover. This would have been around the time EN would have been starting planning. Yes there was Coco, but to arrive at the 11th hour and save not only a talent but also their image showed that overseas viewers were a viable market, and that was even with a language barrier.
i really appreciate overseas fans for supporting her
the male voice could her bf,family or friend or others,idk.
idol or not,She has her own life outside her job.
Imagine almost being cancelled by your own so called "FANS" for something so petty. It's really sad that they would do such a thing. I don't understand their mentality, but damn.
I don't care what happened. Instead I want to say that when I heard Towa's cover "Brilliant" for the first time, it was like I was struck by lightning. I never heard anything so beautiful before.
Since that day I became kenzoku and there is no way back.
I remember that it was sad (her followers dropped a lot, but after that many overseas made her followers increase more and more).
In retrospect, thanks to that now she can even do collabs with men. Personally, I see that incident more as doing a weirdos cleanup.
Towas beginning was rough but I'm glad to be there to support her the best since debut
That Error on the 3Dnlive just hit different
You mean to tell me.. that my already unattainable Tokoyami Towa is... even less attainable?! The horror!
Seriously though.. she is just so damn charming and sweet. Not to mention talented. She obviously has a life outside of streaming. She's not Korone, after all! That woman lives in her stream and I swear she doesn't even sleep. Only stops to snack sometimes. Or maybe blow our eardrums out with her idol-sneezes.
I hope Towa has exactly the life she hoped for and enjoys every bit of luxury that her hard work gives her. And yes, that includes having a boyfriend.
Never knew any of this happened so thanks for the info. I feel like her prominent role in the recent GTA event has helped fans like me (who barely understand a word of Japanese) see and learn more about her, so undoubtedly her star continues to rise.
America "We don't care if you're pure, just make us smile,"
Her songs are so amazing
Yah this is the time i fell in the rabbit hole... Im still trying to know as much holo talent as much as possible and 4th gen hasnt had their 3d debut, i jusr discover towa was on break regarding this issue that time
We are owed great entertainment nothing more nothing less and this is her job
Kinda sad really, they fail to understand that outside the character, our oshi still have life to live lets be honest here most if not all of em has a boyfriend already and probably has to keep em secret just because of hardcore fan, but still i love watching them because i see a friend, a sister, a mother (eh somewhat you get what you get tho), a dad (im looking at you dad), a kusogaki, because i like their personality and enjoy their stream
sounds like what if aloe incident get resolved in the opposite way
I missed this controversy by a couple weeks, only really dabbing my feet into the rabbit hole around the time she debuted. But its crazy how similar this was to Mano Aloes controversy. I know she did a couple other things towa didnt do but the thought of Towa requesting graduation makes me sick. Shes done so much and has one of the best singing voices in the company, and even becoming one of my favorites with her music and cuteness alone. Glad she got through it and was able to shine bright going forward
Yeah this video also reminded me of her. Makes me think on the "what-should've" for our short-lived succubus-in-training, but yeah that's the way the cookie crumbles I guess.
I joined started watching Hololive around the time this had sorted itself out so wasn't really involved but looking back on the way Towa interacts with the EN lot & tries her hand at English so much it's nice to see the link
In hindsight this was great for her career, especially as an apex/fps focused streamer since most apex streamers are male. It let her clear the male collab hurdle early on in her career and any shit she'll put up with won't be as bad as the first incident.
Now she can comfortable collab with any apex players, female or male alike without any resistance or problems because of what she's gone through and i think she's happier for it too.
Towa will always hold a soft spot in my heart for sure! Plus she’s hilarious!
It suck how it only take some minor percentage of the fan, making a big deal out of nothing, to cause problem for not just idol but entertainment personalities in general. But glad this story got a happy ending, also nice going of the fan who know better and treat it as no big deal, which really it isn't 😂
still Towa's one of those JP vtuber I always see collabing with other non-hololive be it male or female from other companies, this actually boosted hololive/cover more as some viewers only looked at their own following and seeing hololive outside of their safezone probably made them look at that direction.
really good thing they never back down with that mindset like holomem should be able to collab with ANYONE regardless of fan's expectation
it should always be the talent's decision and not the decision of the fans.
it boosted more and more after opening EN branch it was a huge success
and opening ID branch made it even better
now hololive looks like they're aiming for nurturing their talents instead of adding more.
Kangai Niki save a lot Hololive members and I'm happy that everyone happy
Real kenzoku is the chill one
You might think it's crazy but this still happens. It happened then, happened when holostars and hololive collabed and will so
Who could be mad at this angel? She did nothing wrong. 😊
This was how I discovered Hololive and vtubers alike, weirdly enough.
Almost 3 years later and Towa is still my oshi. Don't think a persona over the internet has brought me more joy, and honestly can't ask for much more than that.
towa getting shit for a man being heard is DELUSIONAL
I remembered watching her 3D Debut when I'm still new to the Hololive, and that Live Stream made me a Kenzoku. Up until now, even tho I take breaks from hololive time to time, I still go back to her, she is just so Precious.
Towa and Hakos Baelz are top for me, so I will always help Towa (even if I can't do much xD)
I want to add that in a stream idk if it was members only stream, she mentioned that she wasnt forced to take a break after the controversy she just felt like she should discipline herself by taking a break.
awh I don't even know this drama exist
I’m relatively new to Hololive and Vtubers in general, when I hear things that happened before I even knew this existed it makes me happy to know that we as in Internet overseas fans, have a history of good behavior and support ❤
😭I didn’t know about all of this until now, even though I was most probably watching her back, when it happened! To be fair, I don’t really watch Apex, because it’s too repetitive and violent for me, but I was watching many clips and collabs with her.
Some people in the internet are absolutely merciless. That was so harsh😭 She always alongside with Fubuki makes collabs so much fan. What a disastrous ending it could have been! So glad to see there are still some kind people in the internet
*male voice on Towa's stream*
"BOO!"
*rpr on Towa's stream*
"YAY!!!"
really annoying of the double standard of these so-called "fans". for me, I'd like for them to have a normal life, even have a family & a lifelong partner they can spend their life with. I hope for all the happiness for every Hololive talent, since they bring so much joy to us.
No man, this is far back even before she knows RPR. This "drama" was on her early career around 100k subscribers.
From what I understand, the male voice voice thing happened years ago and had the unexpected blessing of "purging" the crazies from her channel, which is why now people are chill with her having rpr on stream and such
Your videos are very informative and to the point. I don't know much about HoloLive, so I've got to know different Vtubers and their inspirational stories ❤
i miss those times when everything started with clips of first 2 gens of hololive
Towa was so close for graduation that days, terrible attitude of the japanese harassing her
she see us as family (towas fans), we supported TMT in the darkest hours :3
Towa has a very detacated overseas following from those days. As far as I can tell most stayed even if less around not. This was before the millions of subs closer to 100k if anything maybe a bit more.
This case and Mano Aloe case basically almost the same except Mano Aloe got harassed even further even to the point got doxxed which is really fucked up.
If i remember correctly, Towa's mistake was that she said it was her manager, and cover said that it was a lie, that was the reason she took a week break. The main problem that japanese fans are confusing "Idol like" Vtubers with real Idols, Vtubers have the rights to anything they want, as long as it doesn't break the rules, and Hololive Vtubers are free to date anyone, exept co-workers as stated by Matsuri. Real Idols on other hand doesn't have rights to have a romantic relationship, smoking, drinking alcohol and etc. And it's not just rules, it's the essence of being and idol, if you take one thing off, they will not be idols anymore, because these things are basis of idol culture.
I will like your comments since were only the sane people here.
I knew about the incident and that she was able to move on. What I didn't know it was even earlier than 3 months.
Thanks for the info and vid.
I saw plenty of Japanese tweets where they were supportive of Towa and said there was nothing to apologize for. It wasn't just overseas fans that helped her.
Towa the devil who pushed me into the rabbit hole
As I fell, I looked up at her gloating over me, and smiled
Thank you, Towa!
Imo apology is the worst thing that Hololive have done in that case - because it was like admitting they have done sth wrong, while it was completely the toxic fans fault, and they were the only ones to be blamed and ridiculed.
Says the extremist fans that drove away Coco. And the toxic fans that got Rushia fired. If you ask me, there is no such thing as "foreign" fans being better. Toxic fans are going to be toxic regardless of where they are from.
This is also one of the reason why Yagoo now stating that they are an Entertainment Company.
Some people argued with me, even Cover is an Entertainment Company, Hololive is their Idol division thus it should stay as is because Idol division is also part of an entertainment.
But let's face it. We all know why Yagoo said that.
Yagoo is no longer want the company get stuck in Idol world. because Idol business got no room and tolerance to expand.
Also, Hololive/Cover once said that they don't want to breach into talent's private life.
i just learn of this today from your video and i think its funny that this is happening around the time where i first start watching Hololive and ofc Towa so hearing that i whit out ever knowing what was going on was supporting when she might have needed it made me happy TMT all the way
the music at the beginning is fire!
I'm glad you liked it! The song is called "Byzantium" by Home
Towa's the reason I made in to Diamond consecutively 4 times ok. If no one like her, I will be the one that like her. *and RPR* Forever Kenzoku
I'm happy for her
I looked into the usual doxxing JP boards to see what kind of comments the JP side had on the whole male voice thing, and the controversy was about cheating in Apex when she said she was streaming solo. So it was never about being parasocial, but about being a fair, transparent streamer-which is presumably why Towa-sama took the criticism in her apology (now deleted or privated, I think). People just ran with the narrative that it was about parasocial viewers when the evidence was practically nonexistent and it was a bunch of EN viewers who didn’t know what was going on relating the facts as they knew them. It was mostly non-viewers who propagated the current narrative. I only startsd following her later so I wasn’t present at the stream in question, so I can’t verify the truth fully, but the GFE narrative seems irrelevant from what I saw (drama boards, replies to her deleted tweet).
I wish these self-proclaimed righteous westerner stopped spreading misinformation online. especially blaming the japanese audience which is the primary target for towa streams. this is as toxic as the idol culture in japan. stop criticizing something when you are literally clueless about how thing happened in the past.
I remember this happening and i was confused as to why people were angry. I had no idea having a boyfriend or even a males voice being heard would cause so much controversy. Id been watching miko since late 2019 but this was my first taste of idol culture. Even now i still dont care if they have boyfriends or husbands. In fact im worried that some of them wont get married😅.
Fun fact: while Towa-sama is still one of the hololive girls with one of the biggest overseas fandom, in Japan she is one of the most popular hololive girls among children and families due to her content being very kid friendly, yes, she plays APEX, but esports are growing as an industry and beyond FPS games she is very tame compared to many other vtubers, with basically no profanity or adult jokes, very easy to understand vocabulary, being a complete dork who enjoys making random voices and predilection for indie or puzzle games when she is not playing FPS games. There was an event in japan where you could meet and talk with hololive girls for a minute, of course, with Towa being a giant monitor, but you could interact with her in what is known as hand-shake event, just with no hand-shake in this case; she said that there were many cases of guys being accompanied by their younger sisters because they were fans of her and also a couple of entire families arriving to the event to see her.
Also fun fact number two: She is also pretty popular among girls in JP due to her own fashion sense and slang, specifically among fashion girls and gyarus. Her speech pattern and accent is very reminiscent of gyarus, with her now famous nasal voice, usage of cute nicknames for characters and even using words from gyaru culture, not to mention her love for nail art, gyaru and street fashion and very modern mannerisms like making a heart with only the index and middle fingers and the inverted V sign, all used by teenagers and young adults. Due to this, there are many girls in Twitter that make nail art and even herbariums based upon Towa... also, her morning voice makes her very popular among the girls, you should read of the threads in 2CH (basically a JP based forum page) whenever Towa-kun makes and appearance.
For a time she and Aki Rosenthal had the highest level of overseas superchats outside holoEN (this continued on well into holoENs career)
Coco and other members got way more so your just wrong.
@@129das For a time Towa and Aki were at the top, now I don't mean amount as in dollar amount I meant percent compared to japanese superchats, so their personal total
My only regret as a HoloFan is that I feel like we could’ve done more for Coco
Did Yagoo expected this much Oversea people back in gen 1?
Maybe not this much, but back then Akai Haato was inherently noted to have a sizable English speaking audience.
Back then Gen 0 and 1 barely conceived the notion of a vtuber, and everything was intended for japanese audiences.Their jokes, their type of talking streams, and their tv show were all made for Japanese audiences (referring to their broadcasts before Holograffiti). Yagoo is more of an entrepreneur so he really couldn't have. They were testing the waters if they even had a successful idea.
I doubt it he didn't know what he was making back then he was just supporting Sora's goals that's was to create an virtual idol group. Yes he did come up with the idea off likely one of her off handed comment or long term goal.
That's why the first gen is based off idols more then the others. That take more anime popculture references
It's a really interesting story that started with Sora and A-Chan looking for tect to basic create Sora the vtuber and going to Yagoo tect company for high end technology at the time.
Never even heard of this incident. I started watching her after her 3D model debut video and fell in love with her singing.
Wow I never heard of this before until now and I've been watching ever since the Matsuri bandaid clips
Faintly recall this, and not bashing the JP fans while we can point the finger really sad japanese companies are the way their are with non issues and gotta be how they are issuing a statement on literally a not issue.
And funny i see more American (give or take) kpop fans on twitter on related things, anyway don't watch TMT much watch EN vtubers on twitch but i hold the mass flock of us american's fondly and sure we all can hope the drama that happens can end and us fans no matter where and past it all we can vibe and be civil human beings!
Didn’t it come out that it was identified as a friend anyways
I actually remember that drama but I wasn't particularly aware of Towa so I was pretty disconnected from the whole ordeal. But looking back with this quick retrospective, Hololive's innital statement "apologizing" was a BIG yikes.
They heard a voice. It could have been her dad coming over to check on her.
Perfect explanation. I'd heard of the drama but never understood now I do
Towa is going to be my favorite all the time she is entertaining and really good singer.
Am I the only one surprised at the time when Towa debuted? I always thought she debuted earlier than 2020
Towa is one of those girls that feel like they've always belonged. Like Ollie, Marine, or Biboo.
Unless I remembering wrong, I think I saw a LiveTL(?) or something where she said she wasn't forced to take a week break and it was instead her own choice. I could be wrong though.
Nice content really informative
idol companies need to start taking a better stance and just tell the "fans" that have an issue to fuck off any continued persistence will result in bans from everything related to the agency including concerts and live events... would probably only take someone who is crazy like that being banned by 1 or 2 agencies for them to stop all together
also look how cover back then and now they also grown. back then they were apologizing to the viewers, now a days they will be like nope not our problem you can not handle that these girls are more then just idols when it come to their private life. when you look how towa and cover had to but with rushia they back her up on the whole boy voice thing.
Obsessed idol fans are the lowest of low.