Why Bad Manga Can Ruin Good Anime
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Can a bad manga actually ruin its anime?
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are you a good anime because your manga is popular, or is your manga popular because your a good anime?
the way i was about to jump off a cliff 😂😂
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Nah, I'd go viral
Berserk rn👀
Demon Slayer getting carried on its back by the animation
I think Black Clover is in a unique case where despite how inconsistent the anime adaptation was, it still boosted the manga sales quite a bit and managed to become not only loved by lots of people, but also the most popular anime on CrunchyRoll throughout the majority of its run
It's the banger openings isn't it? xD
Also the animation team had very few people on board to animate the series within a rough schedule...... and still they managed to pull off a good enough animation.
Yeah the manga is like 100x better than the anime
@@sealthrux In the beginning yes, towards the end of what the anime adapted no. I'd say the last 12 episodes (beginning of spade arc) of the anime even surpassed it's source material.
Well it's my favourite anime
If All Might vs Nomu didn’t already popularize the MHA anime, then Deku vs Todoroki in Season 2 certainly sent it into the stratosphere. That’s when I noticed its monstrous popularity, at least.
honestly ive seen way more cases of people watching an anime bc somebody made a cool ship edit of 2 characters then a fight scene (i mean i saw so many ppl say they watched jjk for gojo x geto its crazy)
@@Sayuchq Agreed. Never seen the fight but definitely seen the uncomfortable ships.
I think the most "weird case" of this is bungou stray dogs, cool story, cool characters, and a goddamn VERY GOOD ANIME. Yet no one talks about it, yet the studio is still producing seasons over and over since it profitable, the mans is almost not talked about but SURGES in popularity right after a season of anime ends...truly a golden egg of a show (i strongly recommend it for anyone who like colorful characters and stupid fun shonens with a bit of mature elements)
It’s the fan base. BSD has an infamously bad fan base and that turns most people off. It’s most definitely hard to recommend this show, and when you do, people won’t take it seriously because you sound like a fujoshi or a nut job obsessed with the show. It is very good though.
@@Dinoshark223yeah I know that it's freaking good as hell and I relly wanna start it but the fanbase scares me
I get irl experience aswell because lne of my bestfriend's a massive bungou fan and god damn is she fucking obsessive
She's been trying to get me to start it for a while now and I will eventually watch it, but I feel like I would've started it already if she wasn't so cringe (Great friend tho)
@@Dinoshark223 that almost sounds like the black butler fanbase. Is that a good comparison? If so yeah I can kinda see why it would be hard to recommend
@@Dinoshark223 This exactly. It's really hard to take the anime seriously sometimes when fans are just meming about deaths and tragic events that almost makes it look like parody show when it's definitely not
If you like the bungou anime i recommend the manga 100% because for whatever reason the anime, while good on its own, ruins so much of the characters' nuances that it can be jarring if you care about good and consistent characterization. If you don't tend to notice that stuff i guess it won't be much of a dealbreaker but still... i have a friend who hated anime dazai but loves manga dazai lol
It also ruins so much of the light novels for no reason to the point of changing its own canon (dazai's entrance exam was changed to a fillery arc where it wasn't his exam anymore and just a random extra mission...? Why?) it's such an odd choice.
* Talks about JoJos Part 7
* Shows footage of JoJo’s part 6
Yeah there is not even an anime of part 7
@@fl_drawing874 Yet*
yeah guys, 2+2=4.
No shit, of course he meant Part 6, simple mistake
@@maifroxcr4624why are you so mad, I think you can guess that I feel like he should have realized that mistake
@@TherealDIOoverheaven fr it's understandable to make the mistake once, even twice or more, because your mind might be thinking of something else, but my man didn't even correct himself in the editing nor in comments or description, which is, like, a common practice whenever youtubers make mistakes like that
I feel like the reason why tokyo revenger season 2 is not as hype is because it is disney+ exclusive and they never advertised about it, at least in my country. Also, I don’t think many anime fan would go out of their way to subscribe to another platform just to see 1 anime and didn’t care about marvel or star wars.
yeah, it's honestly one of my favorites. i only new about season two because i was actively looking for it
Yarr!
I was pissed at Disney+ for streaming it. Disney now and days seems to ruin anything they touch. And this series was no exception to that. I still remember the first scene and thought I had at seeing it. 'They're so afraid of showing a gun they'd rather show a character (implied) getting violated instead. I took a chance on the series and really loved it wanting to buy the manga (because of the cliff hanger in season 1). It seems that the people who complain about the manga seem to have forgotten the WHOLE REASON was for Takemitchy to SAVE EVERYONE. Which he did do. I have the whole manga series and read it monthly.
This definitely played a big part in it. I never followed the Manga, but really enjoyed the first season and was looking forward to a second.
Yet the second got released and I didn't even know. I even had a D+ sub at the time and was completely unaware. It wasn't until much later when some video mentioned the failed second season, that I realized it was out, saw nothing on Crunchyroll and had to go google it myself to find it was just silently sitting on D+.
lol in my country everyone is a pirate. i didnt knew anything about disney until now
When I think of this phenomenon, my mind ALWAYS goes to Usagi Drop. There's damn good a reason they refuse to animate the second part, but as long as you're ignorant to it, it's a beautiful story.
It is very telling the ending is so bad people are afraid if any new series with a similar premise becomes "usagi dropped".
I am a former tokyo revengers fan, i watched s1 of the anime and read the manga all the way till it ended. Basically the final arc was uneeded, the arc before the finale already had a perfect ending but the author decided to keep the story going for whatever reason.
Edit: The 'Perfect' ending part was just me exaggerating it, it wouldve been a decent ending though
Wild thing is I actually found it pretty compelling as a concept. Then it progressively got worse until it got to one of the worst anime endings ever
could it have been the publisher forcing the author to continue it? I know the writer for Food Wars was forced to make another arc even tho the previous arcs ending was good
Not to mention it literally erased everything that came before. Hard to get invested in the animes season 2 when I know it'll just be erased.
@@mr.protagonist5639 fr bro did all this just do redo every thing
i think before you guys get so upset do a little research about the author. him ending the story with such a happy end actually seemed to be a way for him to cope with his past in a toman like gang. Doesnt mean its great ending but you may appreciate it more at least.@@idkKag
well undead unluck proves that a good adaptation doesn't always mean the manga will do better.
undead unluck anime is worse imo constant flashbacks, one piece level time before the new episode actual starts, 7 minutes to start showing new content in the latest episode btw, and just the constant flashbacks of things that were literally shown in the same episode or in the prior episode got extremely annoying
@@mymousebroke8258It's not even about the quality of the anime at this point I think, nobody cares about it.
Like I don't think you realize, nobody watched the anime THAT long to see those issues.
The real issue is just how the story start (both in the manga and anime).
The first 2/3 episodes/first volume were way to rough and kill the hype early.
Undead unluck is kind of a slow burn but I don't expect much people to trust the author and go out of there way to read/watch passed the rough start even for me it was difficult.
And it would be even more difficult for the anime in a season where you got frieren and JJK which are arguably better in every way.
I really wish the anime went to a different streaming site, I don’t get that streaming site here in Ireland, I was so happy when I heard it was getting an anime because I love the manga. And I utterly hate that quality has got nothing to do with popularity, because Undead Unluck is better than JJK, I can’t get into JJK at all, tried multiple times to read it and only got to vol 3, I’ll try again at some point because I’ve already bought 18 volumes.
@@idk4435i think its also that it came when many other popular shows were airing as well so a relatively unkown slow burner of a shownwould not gain much traction at all
The manga is peak, but is slow to be good
I don't think the anime is fully responsible for "killing" record of ragnarok. The manga hit a high point with Buddha's fight that had been built up for a while, but the fights after that have started to show the flaws with the series' structure as a whole.
the flaws being?
@@saltyluigi4011he won't name any because there isn't any
I'm still reading it, but I think its repetitive structure and non-recurring characters are really what limits its appeal. You get two new characters each fight and don't see much of the others, so any character development and attachment you feel is reset for the next fight. If you don't like the two that are currently fighting, it can get pretty boring too. They also kind of peaked with Adam vs. Zeus haha.
@@warnertesla8297 nah, it's cause Im not terminally online. An incredibly repetitive structure that's biggest deviation was a switch up of who was going to be in the fight. The structure also makes it so that once a character has finished their fight they have no more influence on the story and are relegated to occasionally saying a line then disappearing forever, so there isn't much reason to get attached to anyone. The exceptions being the gods, but this makes it so the reader is way more familiar with the antagonists of the series and barely have a chance to get to know any of the human fighters (king leonidas just kinda showing up, being a gruff guy, then his fight resolves really fast). The fight that had the most build up and character work was Buddha, since he and his opponent had been foreshadowed for a while as having a history so the twist that they actually got to fight, in all fairness, was decent. But they really don't have many more compelling setups left. There's vaguely now an idea that the main Valkyrie was doing this all to free her lover, but that doesn't make much sense since humanity would have been destroyed if she hadn't invoked it. It's early chapters are really strong and fun, but it needs to switch something up. It's basically a tournament arc without the main benefits that tournament arcs provide of getting to know all the competitors and seeing multiple matchups
Are you sure Round 6 was the high point of the manga?
I particularly think it was the worst round, and the fandom apparently thinks it too, because I have seen even more hate on round 6 than on round 1.
Great video! Just want to point out that you said “part 7” when referring to Stone Ocean rather than “part 6”. It’s a pretty minor mistake but there’s a huge difference in perception between the two parts, and I just thought it can confuse newer viewers of the series.
Yea but when seeing the video he clearly shows joelyn and pucci so i dinno if ir actually is that big of a mistake
Yea but when seeing the video he clearly shows joelyn and pucci so i dinno if ir actually is that big of a mistake
I got a Tokyo Revengers Tattoo before the manga ended. I don't regret it cuz it looks cool... but man did I cry at how HORRIBLE the ending was
I mean I heard someone died.. It just makes sense w the premise
@@xxsnow_angelxx3953Nah no one died with their ending. People were dying and the ending did a hella big cop out to bring them all back to give a happy ending
Man, that is a dangerous thing to do before the series have ended...What if they Usagi dropped you right at the end?!
@@bibbobella
That would have worse then the crummy ending.
AoT's anime adaptation also made some big changes to the ending itself, and since the anime had a history of making changes on the authors behest, it makes sense that people would have faith in the anime changing the ending and thus hype it up.
Unfortunately still not enough to save that dogwater of an ending.
It all depends on how much people can talk about a title.
If it's simple and linear there is nothing to say past a few episodes.
If it's complex or mysterious they can be talking about it for years.
Even if it falls off after years of talking, most people will still stick around just to see how bad it becomes.
Anime adaptations are driven by anime only watchers who generally don't care to analyze something as much. A static panel gives you all the time you want to see it. A second of flashy images does not, so viewers just see the spectacle and the themes.
Those who will talk about the adaptation the most will be the source readers, not the watchers.
This is unrelated but even though Tokyo Revengers manga lost the story near the end, moments of the manga got me hyped and the art is phenomenal. Im still glad to have read it! 🎉
Usagi Drop is a perfect example of that, the anime is wholesome while the manga becomes cursed after the anime ends. Also Attack on Titan manga had such a confusing, baffling and pure unadulterated bad ending.
You people keep yanking sane opinion about it being confusing
Nothing is confusing ABT ending and it's not bad
It's just a reflection of life as a cycle of humanity
Everything repeats and moves on but we strive to fight fir peace
Peace nor war will ever conclude as long as more than one human exists
@@XDGamer88shut up, AoT ending was dog shit.
So much shit was set up before hand, the relationship between Eren and Historia. The way the hammer titans power works, and none of it was used.
I could write a better ending with what existed in the manga. The writer dropped the ball
@@jaimeruiz7837 Yeah, all of a sudden Historia got with a random farmer guy and Eren suddenly remembered he had feelings for Mikasa after years of ignoring her as a potential romantic partner/only saw her as an adopted sister.
My Hero Academia was consistently at the top of Shonen Jump rankings, was in the top selling manga the year before the anime came out, and got the anime deal after only about a year of the manga running, but "it wasn't popular". Riiiiiight
I wonder if he is only taking into account the popularity internationally, because in most of these cases what really matters when it comes to the success of an anime or manga are the numbers of viewers in JAPAN. Popularity outside of japan is completely irrelevant to manga creators and editorials, they only care about the selling numbers at home...
I think the problem with Dr. Stone is that it isn't exactly a traditional Shounen Battle Manga. Dr. Stone is more grounded science and ridiculous in a weird way, like JoJo's, but doesn't have the fights that JoJo has. People can't exactly talk too much about rebuilding society with chemistry and science because most people don't even know that much about science. But in stuff like JJK people are given rules and guidelines on CT and Domains, but like people don't really care if the base components of medicine involves using sulfur or acids. Being too grounded in real science is the issue for general viewers.
As a really big record of ragnarok fan i will never forgive that shitty anime
man some of my favourite series are record of ragnarok and tokyo ghoul, it's painful how bad the animes messed up
Its bonkers to think that the anime is considered a success by netflix, enough to seemingly be already working on a third season. I wonder what could have been if they actually put time and money into the anination
@@HoradeFidgesThis is why mediocre animes are getting all the hype. Because good mangas animation studios aren't putting up the moderate effort for the anime adaptation to be an "ok" watch. It does not have to be the best, but damn. Stick to the source material.
1:20 i feel like chainsaw man is also a example a friend brought the manga to school once and i loved it and read the whole thing online and legit no one knew about it for those i spoke to but then the moment the anime got annouced (about a year after i completed) everyone was talking about it
I think csm would belong to this category 5:48 because literally every manga fan hated the anime for many reasons, like in my opinion it was bad but the harrasment towards the director and the team behind it was really unnesecary
@@raspberry4171"literally every manga fan" No that is objectively false
@@Whocaresssssssss oml obviously i meant the majority of manga fans, just because you liked it or ur from US (much more people liked it there) doesn’t mean that it was well recieved. For example in Japan it had literally no blueray sales because people were protesting for it to be remade.
@@raspberry4171 And you're doing the same thing again where are your numbers. Being vocal does not equal being the majority.
@@Whocaresssssssss do some research yourself its not that hard im not gonna waste time doing it for you
Tokyo revengers is still very popular seeing as how it placed within the top 10 highest selling manga last year in 2023. I understand people not liking the ending, but I believe using online opinions of it isn't accurate to how people view it in real life. So it seems to me that more casual fans who may not talk about tokyo revengers enjoyed it enough to buy. Same with record of ragnarok. Even though online opinion says that anime is completely trash, it still manages to become one of the most watched anime on netflix in 2023 with season 2. So I think gauging series's popularity or success on online opinion or how much people talk about it is inaccurate
Unfortunately outside of the examples where he used hard numbers with MHA, JJK, and Demon Slayer, this video tends to fall into the fallacy of "my perspective is king". Saying that nobody was talking about Dr. Stone until halfway into season 3 is just plain wrong, it just means nobody in his circles/timeline was.
@@BanchoGatoYeah, in my coubtry, before the Anime, Demon Slayers manga failed so bad it got cancelled. When the anime dropped, it got reedited from scratch under a new title and sold like candy, with magically thousands of people pretendimg they bought the first edition. People tend to rearrange their memories like it suits them.
While can’t think of a “bad” manga that ruined an anime nor can I think of a “bad” anime that ruined a good manga. But watching and listening to this video, I couldn’t help but think of Chainsaw Man. I personally really loved S1 and thought it adapted the first couple arcs very well. But the discourse I’ve seen from some, is that us fans “overhyped” the series to the point that some fans and casuals just alright or average. But when think of a dope manga that deserves a dope anime adaptation, is Sakamoto Days.
The main issue is that Season 1 covers the arcs very few people consider their favorites. They stopped before what is arguably the most popular arc in the manga with Reze.
W video man, you’re amazing for mentioning Dr Stone btw. I know the manga for it ended, which was a really sad and abrupt ending (not including the spin off), but it’s definitely a slept on series.
Great commentary too 🫵👑
Thank you! Honestly made me so happy to see this.
This truly is our Shonen Ouji.
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Honestly wished you were more specific with each series popularity so it's easier to follow or get a better grasp of how impressive some anime are compared to manga or vice versa.
Also here's something to take not, anime itself does not give any profit, it is instead used as a medium for advertising. For almost every show its to advertise the original works like manga and anime, but the bigger shows/ longer shows actually gain more profit from merch sales making anime adaptations more acceptable as form of advertising for figures and etc.
I want to make a little annotation, its true that MHA manga wasn't that popular as it is now, but it was waaay more popular that Demon slayer, its 1st volume was one of best sold 1st volumes in the history of the WSJ and that was before the anime came out.
Years ago, I was so invested in the Tokyo Revengers manga. When season 3 came out I only watched episode 1 and then discontinued watching it cause I lost interest.
As a former watcher of Tokyo Revengers, I hated that all the (very painful and long-winded) growth that Takemitchy went through was just completely scrapped by the next season. I felt like I wasted my time watching and getting invested, so hearing the manga has an unsatisfying ending doesn't surprise me at all.
As a Tokyo Revengers fan who did fully read the manga a while before season three came out, I can say from my own experience that I don't think the manga itself was the cause of the lack of interest in the anime's second season. The second season by and large was just... boring. I think because the first season was longer and covered more varied material that it was a big hit. Season two was extremely condensed into one arc with no variety whatsoever the way the first season was. The first season was fast paced and kept you on your toes. The second season felt like a slog for almost all of it.
The manga wasn't bad by any means either. For me personally, I described this in a reply comment earlier, but it really was just the very end of the ending itself. The final arc? Fine. The ending with how it started out? Fine, I can reason with it. But the ultimate ending did NOT fit the vibe of the entire rest of the series and left me confused, disappointed and feeling very unfulfilled. If I could erase the ending? Perfect series with very little flaw. Any existing flaws I could overlooked. I want to hope the anime will change the ending but I really don't expect it or see any reason why they would do so. I just find that the ending doesn't fit the series it was put into. The whole series? The whole journey up until that point? A masterpiece. I do think TR is completely worth going through for that.
If I want to recommend this series, I think my best explanation for it would be that yeah, you probably won't really understand the vibe of the ending for the series it's in nor be able to truly get behind it, but the rest of it really is worth it. It's a tough spot to be in imo since it's such a great series but with, as I said in my last comment, an ending that really is just the sound of a whoopee cushion... but actually, with a confused sound at the very end of it. Literally the most confused whoopee cushion ever. I definitely feel I can't say the manga went out on a strong note. As much as I'd like an alternate ending for the anime, I don't expect it by any means, so I'm kind of just resigned to getting the same confused whoopee cushion ending after an amazing story and heart wrenching final arc.
I wouldn't say he kept Tokyo Revengers going when it should have ended, but he definitely didn't know how to end it, and ended up ruining the manga by the way he did end it. Like this is the only manga where I would relish them doing an anime only ending, because even if it wasn't great it would probably still be better.
Ex:Arm's manga literally got canceled because of its horrendous anime adaptation.
I think like a lot of people don't actually read manga like anime fans. Like I didn't read manga for a long time and I would only watch the anime. My reason is like I have autism so being on the spectrum I find it incredibly hard to focus on words and images. So I just find it much faster less overwhelming to watch an anime. But I've gotten into manga and comics more because I've gotten into art and I want to be able to like make a comic one day.
Stephen King has like a great quote that he says if you don't read books, don't expect to be a good author. Like Stephen King has written so many books but he's also read so many books. And I'm sure the same thing applies to making comics to find out what works and what has been done. You have to read a lot of comics.
At the end of the day there is no data or numbers from you, only guesses and assesement of your personal oppinion.
Dragon quest the adventure of dai was a huge hit
Usagi Drop is the biggest example of this, DO NOT READ THE MANGA. THE ANIME IS JUST FINE.
I never read a manga complete before
I watched first season of jjk and then continuosly read manga
Watched Tokyo ghoul season 1 and friend of mine forced me to read the manga and it was worth
Berserk is the only manga i have read completely
Good manga will always be good but not necessarily be a good anime
Example - tokyo ghoul
And good anime will always have atleast a decent manga
Example - demon slayer
But a bad manga will ruin a okay anime
10:10 To be fair, Attack of titan only had a controversial ending, there was still a lot of parts to be hyped about before reaching that point, on the other hand Tokyo revengers had an awful entire last arc, it was +1 year of being consistently disappointed by the manga writting each week, I was just too tired of the serie, I didn't even watched the second season despite of adapting the best arc of the manga.
I think something similar happened to Beastars in a lesser degree, the final arc was also very disappointing...So I don't see that many people hyped about the upcoming third season.
I think it's strange how these things work out. I used to love My Hero and went from watching to reading and I stopped reading after some time. When it comes to Tokyo Revengers, I gave up afyer the 1st season. I think my pattern is if the Main Character is likeable in my eyes. Even AoT I stopped watching because Eren annoyed me. Toxic? Maybe
The few clips of Air Gear at the start got me hyped, this was one of my favorite animes when it came out despite it being so mid because the universe it existed in was so cool and who doesn't want super skates?
Me too bro, ive never watched the anime cause it was so bad but the manga is incredible, oh great has a unique style and it was ruined so bad by the adaptation.. couldve been huge
Tokyo Revengers was so good litterally until the last like idk 5 chapters. Tbh though its obvious with a time traveling regression manga that it would end with everyone happy. Reminded me of how the How I Met Your Mother ending eas so hated that they had to make a new ending lol
I know win to end my manga binge of it thanks
Tokyo revengers was already kind of getting strained with how repetitive it's themes and conflicts got by the black dragons arc
Takemichi being a complete pushover but refusing to compromise on his ideals due to his second chance at life
Kisaki always getting away somehow and screwing everyone over; good people like Mikey and Draken can do terrible things, etc
But it was tolerable because of how long the story was and how the author was very good at drumming up hype and excitement
Once Tenjiku started, things started becoming stale, but given that it gave series closure it was overall pretty enjoyable; the end of a series of amazing highs and crushing lows
But with how forced and rushed the final arc and ending felt, it only soured people on the story's earlier weak points and emphasised the recurring issues in the story, making them more difficult to ignore
I watched S1 and enjoyed my time with it but between when it ended and to when we got S2. I heard so much about how the ending was god-awful and pointless, so say the least. I still haven't watched S2 and don't know if I'll ever read the manga 😔
the manga has a very mid ending, but keep watching
i know ur talking about Tokyo revengers but u just never say it in the whole comment and u dont need to read the manga cuz like season 3 is out now and i read the manga the ending was not that bad it was not good but i was still happy by the end but i love TR so dont take my word for it
I feel like a problem with the tokyo revengers manga was the pacing. I swear it moves at a snail's pace when it doesn't have to be that way since the manga had way more content than 24 episodes could cover. perhaps the budget was too low, or maybe the animators weren't as talented and/or weren't passionate for the series, but either way the overall quality is kinda yikes. slideshow episodes are kinda hard to ignore when it's basically every episode. too bad, I hate-read and hate-watched the series, had fun, but I wish it was more polished
What more content are you refering too? Are you talking about how the most recent season ended kidna abruptly? Because they also add extras scenes as well, so that may be why the pacing feels off compared to the manga.
yeah like someone dies and we just have to see everyone's reaction and them just standing there doing nothing. Like i remember in one of the episodes where someone got shot, someone in the background goes "call an ambuliance!!!" but like no one does at all.
I agree that fans are responsible for the things they do but I'll always say this cus it is my motto whenever a Manga be it bad , good , barely known or hyped up gets a anime its always 50 50 and I would like to give even more examples of great anime who didn't get much attention like ao ashi same as dq dai it had a spectacular anime but barely anyone noticed it but I mostly agree with what you've said great video keep it up ouji.
Thank you!
I wouldn't say Demon Slayer S1 EP19 popped off only because of animation. It was an emotional scene where Tanjiro finally remembered his father. And mind you, I'm not the biggest fan of DS.
The fall of Tokyo Revengers was tragic. I didn’t hate the ending, but my problem was that it shouldn’t have had an all around happy ending, it takes away all those huge moments of deaths and just makes everything A-ok. Tokyo Revengers did NOT need that and deserved for the consequences to actually matter
I watched Season one at the height of its popularity, and I had so many people to talk about it with. I watched both seasons two and three(yes, there’s a season three), and ANTICIPATED them, yet no one said a word about either, which, considering how massive and popular the Tenjiku arc and even the lead up with the Black Dragon arc was, it blew my mind how no one talked about how insane the series would get
I liked AOT’s ending, I thought it was great, not perfect, but great. The ending as a whole is not bad, it has some moments that weren’t the best and were thrown in towards the end, but it wasn’t completely wrecked
The some fans blew up and hated on the ending so much, I think it ruined the hope of the anime, especially when it was confirmed there wouldn’t be an AOE, so people were already shitting on the ending from what I saw
I think you’re right, the fandom is definitely a reason why some anime and manga become popular through the other, and why they fall off
Somthing that helped me appreciate tokyo revengers happy ending was learning that the mangaka Ken Waiku was in a biker gang just like toman and he often talked about how he regrets it all. Like he says most of his friends from then are either dead or in jail. So i think this story is sort of a personal way for him to give his friends a happy ending. For me learning that it gives the ending a much more sadder feel to know that its pretty unrealistic for irl bosozoku gangs.
@prodby33goist That is interesting, and I could see why that would cause him to do that. But it still feels like a complete tonal shift at the end, and basically a fuck you to everyone who read it because he just undid everything that ever happened over the course of the story. Obviously that's not how he meant it but that's how it feels, like all of the shit that the characters went through didn't matter because none of it happened after the end.
this made me wanna finish tokyo revengers even more. i know how it ended but i just... really don't care? im gonna watch it regardless
Jojo is a bad exemple, not only the part 6 (not 7) manga was long done before the anime adaptation, the manga had amassed a cult following and Araki was already a legend in the industry way before the anime and as the anime adaptation all five previous part were hugely successful it's safe to say the critical mass of fan past which the source material is quite safe was past by a huge margin.
I was there for the final arc of Tokyo Revengers. My opinion about the last arc and it's ending is that it didn't live up to Tenjiku, but despite it being rushed, the ending was a happy one (which wasn't what I was expecting). And I remember when Christmas Showdown arc came out for the anime, no one was talking about it, which made me a little sad. But you're right. The ending was a letdown for some, so the anime lost its traction. Amazing how it can do that honestly.
Video talks about popularity of manga and anime. How does it relate to good and bad?
Honestly, I feel a lot of it boils down to a saying the comic artist Adam Warren came up with, "A good story can cover for bad art. Excellent art cannot cover for a bad story." But there are always going to be extenuating factors.
Oftentimes when a work is adapted from one medium to another, things are going to have to change because while a manga goes at one pace, an anime goes so much faster through the same amount of material, to the point that what is often the first five to ten chapters of a manga would only make one or two episodes, and as series like Dragon Ball Z showcased, sometimes the anime will go so much faster than the manga it's adapting and can overtake the material that's coming out, forcing them to either pause the anime's production ( _which they hate doing_ ) or make filler ( _which can vary wildly_ ).
And then you have the outside influences.
The editors will often push for things to go faster or grander, because having reasons to hype the series will keep eyes on the series and thus, the money flowing. They might also try and insist on changes to meet their own ideals, such as what happened in the Android and Cell arcs of Dragon Ball Z when the villains went from Androids 19 and 20; to 16, 17 and 18 and then finally to Cell.
The fans will often want answers to questions as well as general world building, which usually contradicts the faster/grander designs and, in some cases, may accidentally inspire the author to give too much of an answer too soon and might cause the author will often paint themselves into a corner if they give too rigid of an answer, requiring them to pull out brand new systems to either up the ante or excuse the change in the story's current dynamic. This is why it's so typical for a show to bring out a brand new unknown yet somehow incomprehensibly powerful villain ( _that should have been very well known beforehand_ ) after the heroes manage to triumph over their previous foe.
Most obviously, the overall popularity of a series can sink it before it would reach a proper conclusion, forcing the manga or anime ( _or both_ ) to rush to a conclusion that isn't satisfying to anyone, or it's popularity could be so great that there's pressure to continue a story well past the point it could have ( _and probably should've_ ) stopped.
But then there's the final bit: sometimes an author had multiple ideas on how a story could go, and chooses to have one medium for one version of the story and another cover a separate version:
Real Bout High School did this, as the light novel focuses on a teacher, while the manga is focused on two high school students pushing themselves to greater heights in martial arts, and the anime had some nearly batshit insane storyline involving another world called Solvania ( _IIRC_ ) where the two high school students from the main timeline gained RPG-esque super powers and fight fantasy creatures. The light novel has apparently 19 volumes, the manga managed to finish its run with 6 volumes, but the anime was obviously rushed to hell and back as it feels like entire arcs are skipped just to get to A finale in 13 episodes of what seemed to be intended for 26 episodes.
Yeah, i really like Record of Ragnarok top 8 even. I even liked season 2 and hope for a season 3! But... the anime is... pretty bad... it got better but... its still not great.
Obviously without the manga the anime doesn't exist. But most people I know don't read manga. But everybody watched anime.
Then you'd get cases like people saying: "This character didn't punch the MC too much in the manga and bit of tolerable than the anime?!" Or something like that.
That last point you made with Tokyo revengers is something that personally has really annoyed me in the past. When a manga allegedly drops in quality (I don't read manga so idk for myself), then people turn on it and when the next season of the anime comes which still takes before whatever that fated quality drop moment was, I start seeing people hard shitting on it and I end up being really confused why the sudden change in mood when to me it felt like it had been the same as last season in quality.
Honestly, it's still good, but I'd say before the end, it was like a 9/10, but after the ending, it's like a 7/10. It brings the manga down a bit, but the rest is still pretty good.
Final Arc in a nutshell (Spoiler Warning)
Mikey needs to be saved, because he has a dark side that makes him to an unhappy psychopath...
Draken dies...
Mikey beats the shit out of everyone...
They face of in a final batte...
Takemitchy succeeds in that battle, because he can see the moves of mikey by looking into the future...
Oh turns out his dead brother is a time traveler that literally started everything...
Oh Mikeys dark impulse is so strong not even takemitchy can stop him...
Takemitchy dies and mickey regrets it...
They fix the timeline by going back in time together and making everyone happy before any drama happens, with the power of friendship...
Peak Storywriting achieved...
As a shaman king enjoyer, i can confirm that the anime’s survival despite it seeming like nobody is watching it, is because it has a very dedicated fanbase that keeps it alive, despite never really capturing the casual audience that usually keeps an anime running
Good video, I do think you kinda undersell the popularity of certain series though tbh
Fans perception of a work affects a lot the popularity of an anime. Very few talked about the Dragon Quest anime remake because many had the impression its based on the videogame series so they might thought its only for those fans (I guess is not entirelly truth, but I didn't watch it so I cannot say much).
Meanwhile My Hero Academia and Demon Slayer became very popular among people quite quickly, the former because is about superheroes which has a very broad appeal around the world, while the latter became popular by its action scenes and not so cliché setting (most folks thought it was medieval Japan until they so electric lighting).
What really matters is a good hook up on their premise, and "breadcrums" so the audience have material for fandom content, such as fanfics, theories around show mysteries, appealing characters, memeable moments, etc.
But specially DON'T RUIN A STORY.
1:10 Are you 100% sure about this? Would you still think it has the same impact without that specific OST and the emotional impact that scene's narrative was delivering? Because one piece has explosive animation scenes all times like this each time luffy did a big punch on kaido and they aren't as remembered as the emotional episode 1015.
I am one of many Bereserk fans that will tell you to watch the anime... The 1997 one. We like that one.
Promised Neverland, for how reviled season 2 is, the last third of the manga was absolute garbage. I feel like if the second season had done what it could, then made an entirely new last third of the series that wasn't utter garbage, it might still be remembered fondly today. But I have been reading manga for 20+ years, and I don't think I've ever encountered a final few arcs so bad that it retroactively ruined my experience with reading the entire thing, tainting it in my memories. I feel like maybe most declines are more gradual, or maybe they don't matter as much to what came before it. I've yet to finish Tokyo Revengers though, I'd read the first major arc, basically (since those vols fall into the discount bin at bookoutlet, I just wait til they show up there along with other stuff I want to get to free shipping)
well every niche manga and anime has its fans
but lets think about it like this the manga tends to be the first run of the story
anime can be like a directors cut where its an opportunity to make some changes and edits and make it better
but if the manga already had fundamental and/or major flaws from the start a directors cut isnt gonna fix it
its gonna need a complete rewrite if it is even worth rewriting
manga and anime are symbiotic they help each other grow but if one is significantly worse then the other will be heavily stunted
in one case its like polishing a turd in the other case its straight let down
one good example of this is fire force its anime had a solid run that went for two seasons until the latest chapter drops and the anime adaptation are now in complete radio silence
Great commentary but can I just add kudos for your choice of background music
It's been 5 years yet I'm still hoping 20th Century Boys would get an anime adaptation.
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I think it's not obvious about "if manga is good then and an anime will be good", because there is a lot of examples that you speaked about (Air Gear, IS my favourite manga of all time because battles was so fun to read and they were very entertaining, but people who made an anime made only "sane" part of manga and all the fun was drain in OVA)/ Sometimes we have a good source and awful anime (Berserk) and the most obscure things happens when you said about "popularity". For me it's strange that you mentioned Doctor Stoned as NOT popular, or npt that mainstream, because..... it's not true? If this was a true, than why this manga have such more colorful pages than others, more mainstream manga? Why does this NOT SO popular manga have 3 seasons? Also, if people hype about some manga and say things like "This is good, this will be a banger", than it is not always true. For example, Onepunchman - VERY strong 1 season, mediocre 2 season, overhyped and that was justified. And than, we have Chainsawman, that had pretty good 1 season, and VERY overhyped, that was not worth to wait, it WILL BE good, but after the movie (that didn't come out yet). And what about Fire Brigade of Flames? Same thing as Onepuchman, except that had pretty good 1 season, and VERY overhyped, and then we have mediocre 2 season, and THAN thats get good after, but since 2 season we have nothing about it. So, popularity is not always a good thing, there will be nothing, and also even if source is not good or mediocre, and anime is good, than it gets popular (Frieren for example, nobody gives a F about source, and than we have banger from anime, and a lot of memes about it). And I'm deeply sorry for the wall of text, got a little reckless, but vid is good
5:03 I didn't think that would be the actual animation bro
I'm just gonna bluntly say that Steel Ball Run may/not be the most hardest to animate. Hence, even David Production imo are in questionable if they even could (Fyi the correction for the video is about part 6 of jojo Stone Ocean not part 7)
I am a record of ragnarok fan and i realy want the season 3 to have at least a good animation
No one bothered to hype up the anime of Platinum End because of its extremely infamous ending where Shuji becomes God, kills himself, and takes the entire universe with him. And indeed, the anime has the same ending as the manga, causing it to fade into obscurity.
crunchy roll put out a frame of the adaptation for kaiju no.8 and I'm genuinely frightened for how it'll turn out it looks like they've ditched the art style of the manga for a terribly generic easy to animate style
As a shoujo reader, usually a good manga leads to a bad anime. However that link has been getting better over the years. It's about a dedicated fan that checkout and hypes both in their circles! Pov I made my club members excited for when apothethacry diaries was coming out and it was a massive success!
honestly to me it didnt matter if the anime was good bc i wouldnt read the manga anyways as long as i can just watch what happends and the only time an anime convinced me to read the manga is when it was left unfinished like blue lock or seraph of the end
This is a possibility. We'll start from the beginning... Manga is source material from where it comes from the author. And anime is not so much... Cash, people who create the anime may be slightly different from the manga. Reasons: From the visual side to what the character is.
Watching this for a second time made me realise he called Stone Ocean Part 7
this video is straight up yapping 💀
The soul is the body and the body is the soul ,THE MANGA IS THE ANIME AND THE ANIME THE MANGA
I haven't seen a biggest flop from an anime like the Tokyo Revengers in a long damn time.
Like, that anime went from being all over the places, merch, tatoos, hair style, etc and then when the manga ending came... nobody talked about it anymore, people repenting about having done those things and then the anime becomes a huge failure.
5:40 you mean part 6, but yes people like part 7 even more because every season of JoJo some portion of the fanbase reads the next part, and Part 7 Steel Ball Run happens to be one of the greatest mangas of all time by its self.
I usually read the mangas but I would watch the anime version
I feel like RoR literally dropped in quality after the Jack The Ripper fight (a bit further in the manga but idr), it kinda fell off the deep end as the anime is why I gave the manga a shot. The only thing I might enjoy is the spin-off series of the spear guy of Three Kingdoms, after the disappointment of Indian&Buddhist fight and in-canon lore was unimpressive and while originality can be like it goes way off the base material of research mythos, which is why I never touch season 2 despite might wanting to see the animated fight between Jack the Ripper and Hercule. The characters I enjoyed became more and more pointless as they lost their grounding as the characters I became invested in, the subplots were convoluted and weak further more you go down.
I mean OnePunchman had three versions of itself, it has a solid skeleton but by season 2, because of crunch/rush time, I feel alot of hype of that series died down. It's still a good series, be it its OG webcomic, redrawn masterpiece (scolling version or manga rendition) and the first season of the anime, but Season 2 of that very same anime fails to represent alot of stuff present before its first season or its drawn form.
Like a sound novel like When They Cry you get two experience: Higurashi introduced alot of new psychological/supernatural horror fan to its series, fantraslation allowed people to enjoy a piece of that pie, while Higurashi is far from perfect its real good for what it was able to do in its strict anime episode count; then you get Umineko which just fails as like with Beserk fan you don't find anybody who'd ever suggest the anime, but maybe redirect you to the manga instead, however, I feel there's still alot lost due the functionality of a sound novel.
Movies have ruined good books because they do something that goes against its themes and people who never read the source material will never give it a chance because of that (my easiest example is hunger games as the first movie pushes a narrative that never was there in the books). But then you get something like The Trollhunters series on netflex and I read that book, apart two minor things it was awful book. Oh my god, had I read the book first I would of never bothered with its adaptation.
As a shoujo fan; the phrase "not very popular" followed by "episode 19", blow my fucking mind! Shoujo barely ever get two cour 😂😂😂
I think the tokyo revengers anime biggest issue is that since they try to adapt so many scenes from the manga, it leads to a lot of scenes being dragged out. You can really tell this by watching the 3 tokyo revengers LA films compared to the series. They basically adapted the first 25 episodes into at least 5 hours/3 films not cause they condenced the episodes but cause the show had a lot of scenes drawn out just to give "tension". There were literally scenes in the anime where a character is bleeding, someone goes "call an ambuliance" and they drag out the scene for like 5 minutes with no one calling an ambuliance. The studio who made the tokyo revengers anime really need to know about pacing.
So yeah i think the reason people hated tokyo revengers so much was probably due to the the bad pacing more than anything, not really how the manga ended.
record of ragnorok had a season 2?
It's better than season 1 by a good amount, but I would still recommend the manga over the anime. If season 1 had a 2/10 in animation, season 2 would be somewhere between 4-5/10.
It did, it was much better than season 1, I recommend it
i'm surprised you didn't talk about Bocchi the Rock. where the anime are much better than the comic
Disinterest in the second season of Tokyo Revengers might not just be the fault of the manga. I didn't read the manga, and hadn't heard anything about how it progressed. I watched season 1 of the anime, and found it quite interesting at first. But by the end of season 1, I had completely lost interest in the characters, in the story, in its direction and perceived potential, in everything. I had absolutely zero interest in watching a second season.
I remember very seriously hook on Record of Ragnarok. Especially on Hercules vs Jack the Ripper match. I even consider purchasing an eye watering book set...........I can't actually describe the feeling at that time why I am really tempting to do so. Looking back, I'm glad I didn't spent that much for the manga.
You are misinformed about kimestu. It was already selling 100k per volume before the anime and it's anime boost occurred right from the beginning of the anime. It didn't take 19 episodes to start to blow up, it was a quick rise from episode 1
These kinds of videos are always so weird.
There is tons of real data out there and still they spread misinformation.
ROG has been continuously reporting record numbers for Netflix, it's their most watched anime and they recently reported that.
+ how is an anime affecting the manga? They never collide.
then there you got chainsaw man
where both the anime and manga are equally good
honestly it reminds me of how i was constantly hyping up Goblin Slayer after its anime got announced, but then the anime left such a bad taste in my mouth i lost interest in the manga/novels. its a real shame and thinking about it makes me think i should circle back to Goblin Slayer
Promised Neverland did the same to me as Tokyo Revengers did. It started great, promising and fucked the ending up so bad that i wont even watch the anime
you can watch promised neverland season 1. but season 2 is a crime THEY SKIPPED SO MUCH OF THE STORYYYYYY
BS! Dr stone needs to be talked. This season was better then many
I wouldn't say people weren't talking about Tokyo Revengers. I saw big content creators like Yaboyroshi arguing about it every week.
In the case of Tokyo revengers is that as far as the manga goes, there was only 2 way it would've ended. The ending we were give would've only made most of the fans happy if he decided to make another arc to introduce another group that directly threatened this new, happy future that mikey and takemichi qere trying to create, And then the 2 would have to work together to get around this group that they have no knowledge about.
The Tokyo Revengers Manga ending was okay to me,
Did it feel rush and kinda felt like Fairy Tale Ending yes.
But at least it’s better than Berserk 2016 anime.
Call of the Night is a great example where the anime is stellar but the manga just gets disappointing.
There are two massive differences between aot and Tokyo re, other than popularity. For one aot’s ending was divisive, while Tokyo re’s was hated . Big difference, since there were still a considerable amount of people defending aot’s ending, there was a discussion there but you’d be impressed to see an anyone defending Tokyo re’s ending.
The other thing was that there was way more bad Tokyo re content, a full arc about 71 chapters, were all completely despised by the fandom, while for aot, people were complaining mostly about 5 chapters take it or leave it. So the bad taste in Tokyo re fans is way stronger than that of aot fans, even ones that despised the ending.
All this to say the relationship between anime and manga, depends on many overlapping factors and should be taken on a case by case basis.