They had me until the insole. Love this boot but the direction red wing is going in is very sad. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with people liking this type of insole but for me, I’ll stick to my 875.
As a person that has over thirty pairs of Red Wings I must say this is very disappointing. I fell for this crap design in the new Chelsea boot because I assumed it would be made the way they always were without checking first. Redwing people want quality, not another POS.
@Alexander Joseph what's not to like? I always go to my local red wing store to have 2 sets of speed hooks put on my beckman. Really helped with the breakin, especially when the stock waxed laces are so short.
Was keen to get a pair of these until hearing about the synthetic materials being used - not good if red wing heading down this path in their heritage line. I would like to see more moc toes on a cork or half sole. Also hoping to see more Munson rangers which I am yet to get a pair. Also keen on seeing more Beckman flatbox models coming back
I really liked the look of this thing. I also wanted to get a pair but i wish they had put a leather insole in there. Perhaps they ought to make another line, called faux heritage where they can get people who arent interested in long term longevity of leather in the boot. From a business stand point i understand trying to capture more sales but dont alienate your existing customers many of whom were probably very excited to grab this boot. I wonder what the percentage of people is who might be staying away from this boot after learning about its construction. Almost seemed like nick wasnt too excited about it after hearing what was going on inside this thing. I am also in favor of rerunning alot of those models you mentioned. And rerun lots of older models from back in the day too. There are alot of people ready to buy alot of boots.. Wish they could understand that.
@@IHav2BlackCats yeah I hv a pair of 4440 11 3e ( steel toe moc toe mini lug). Love the boots but would like them in a 6 inch plus be actually commercially available ( rather than eBay).
If Red Wing was just looking to add comfort to a boot, why wouldn't they just include a removable foam insert? This is about lowering production costs.
Agree. I gotta pair of centennial mocs and that's what they did on that model. I actually took the foam insert out and the boots wear alot better long term.
So I went to the Redwing website to see what was up with these new boots. I noticed several things, first of all they have almost nothing in stock at all. I'd estimate that more than 3/4 of the Heritage line is unavailable right now. I guess the world wide supply shortages have hit them too. This new boot was in stock in most sizes. I figured either nobody wants this crappier version with the synthetic and manmade garbage materials in the footbed, or the real reason they came out with this is because they can't keep their supply of veg tan insole leather flowing. This would explain why so many of the other boots are unavailable, they can't get the insole leather for them. I also noticed that they changed something on the website. On each shoe's page, if you scroll down to the "Materials Used" section they have removed the entry in the list for "Footbed" or "Insole". They all used to have this and it was listed as Leather, except for the Chelsea boots that listed it as Poron and Leather. Now they don't even tell you what the construction is. This is NOT a good sign. This is the kind of sneaky sketchy crap that companies do when they are about to start cutting corners across their entire line. They are hoping that nobody will notice. I would be SOOOOO pissed if, in the future, I ordered a pair of Iron Rangers or Blacksmiths and got a pair with this garbage layered disposable insole. I would send them back immediately for a refund and order a pair of Wescos. I hope Redwing is reading these comments and realises that they are flirting with destroying their entire flagship line.
That was my plan, buy a pair of these, and once the wedge was worn out, get a vibram heavy lug sole, them I saw that texon lasting board, not the 5mm veg tan, not going with that plan anymore
I do like that idea… I put a roccia half sole on my Rangers and it is the perfect match. Now if only red wing would make an iron ranger in single E width…
I agree with the comments below. Once he said enhanced comfort, red flag #1 popped up. Foam in the insole was flag #2 and nylon vamp was #3. I get that Red Wing wants to branch out to more customers and offer more “modern comforts” but in doing so they will alienate their core fans who come for the long lasting, all natural materials. I’d say that if they make shoes like this, keep them out of the heritage line. There is nothing heritage about plastic, foam and nylon.
Lol not alienating anyone. Just offering a different style and design. It's not like they're stopping production of the original to make these. You're so dramatic. I'd buy these over the original anyday. Having an actually comfortable boot for a 1-1 1/2 years is better than an uncomfortable one for a long ass time.
The exterior makeup actually looks decent and the Oro will patina beautifully, but IMO the draw of heritage boots is that they are a "buy it for life" type of purchase. RWs have a very strong collector community and their USA made boots that are decades old still demand a premium in the resale market. This is because of their heritage (all leather) construction and uncompromised durability. Adding foam and composite to the constriction, especially the liner means these will not last for decades. The composite will wear out and simply disintegrate over time. This shift is essentially turning them into tall "use and dispose" sneakers. Very few will invest the money to resole and rebuild a boot that literally has a piece of recycled trash for a liner.
I noticed this too, it still has a veg tan insole but the felt liner made me need to go up a half size... 🤔 I also wanted it for work(concrete floors 16 hours on my feet). I simply can't bring myself to buy when Nick's is $150 more. It does canvas then felt, what I would do for the Munson Ranger to come back. I will eternally kick myself for missing that one! Bottom line when you can get the Grant Stone in veg tan with a crepe sole, 3 ribbed shank, leather midsole, and a 100% leather heel counter even with the somewhat faulty grommet (which can eventually be replaced) this is a very very hard sell to me!
@@MrZanzibar123 Of course, but the issue is that the Texon and sandwiched foam are a part of the lower construction and this would not be changed unless the boot was entirely rebuilt. The lining is even worse because the mesh will almost certainly wear out far before a leather liner. To change this you would need to deconstruct the boot to replace it with a proper leather one. This would likely cost as much as buying an entirely new boot. Also the change from a veg tan liner in the footbed to an aniline one means it will yes break in faster, but then also wear out faster. As others have said this seems like they are simply trying to lower materials cost in order to increase profit margins. This change will simply push away their core consumers for the Heritage line, giving that business to other companies. Really sad to watch such a historic brand go down this path.
@@Fitz008888 Agreed, I ended up returning mine. I wouldn't have purchased them before I knew they were constructed that way. For me that is too much compromise to justify the price.
My take... if they want to add models like this that have some of this construction it's not necessarily a bad thing for the right consumers. Now if they change most or all of the heritage lineup to this then yes... that's a problem for many enthusiasts. So far we're looking at this and the classic Chelsea.
I changed out my mini-lug after 2 years and my local cobbler put on a RW wedge sole on my Copper Rough-n-tough IR. My most comfortable and favorite boot by far. I really enjoy your videos, thanks Nick.
They don’t care if they slowly bring down their quality while floating high on their reputation of high quality, in the end it’s about short term money and this way they can make more (shareholders will be happy in the short run and don’t care about the long run). You see it happen with so many companies. Stanley for example, a producer of a lot of hand tools is now still riding on their old reputation of quality while their products have seen a steady decline in quality. Same goes for Dr Martens to name another example.
Please Red Wing, stop cutting costs. I bought a pair of iron rangers last year because of the true heritage construction and if this is the direction you’re moving in, I’m taking my business somewhere else.
I have literally never once heard anyone say they wish their heritage style boots were easier to break in… The break in is the most satisfying part of a handmade leather boot.
@@cincyreds62 I mean yeah they’re tough to break in, but any leather footbed boot is tough to break in. Also if you get a well fitting boot from the get go, the break in really isn’t that bad. I’m not trying to say that it must be difficult to break in, but natural materials last longer and are more comfortable the longer you wear them. That feeling of a leather footbed conforming to your foot makes any difficult break-ins 100% worth it. Foam and mesh will break down and eventually you can’t do anything about it.
I have never understood how people have such a hard time with the break in period. I bought my Iron Rangers and wore them around then took them for a walk and they went from somewhat comfortable to very comfortable. I have a standing desk and stand about 8 hours a day so maybe my feet are more used to abuse.
Watched this withing a few minutes of posting. Love the look, it's completely my style. Was about to order and decided to give it a day. Came back 24 hours later, and the comments reflect where I've ended up myself. I don't understand this move to more synthetics, especially at this price point. Especially problematic is the synthetic liner-there's simply no easy way to repair that. And it will wear, much, much faster than leather. So, I'm conflicted. I do love the style-for me it's perfect. I know it's not for everyone. But is this a wise investment? What is the point of a "heritage" line when it's moving away from heritage construction? It just seems a strange move.
love the way these look but i'm not gonna pay that much for synthetic materials , really sad that redwing decided to cut corners , hopefully this doesn't bleed into the rest of their line . hopefully they listen to their customers .
I personally love how these boots look. However, the comments here bring up a good point. Spending $350+ on a pair of boots is an investment customers hope to have them last decades. However the new manmade materials knowingly will not last decades like the traditional Iron Rangers. So it makes sense for all the backlash. I can only see 2 solutions to this - bring back the leather insoles like the original Iron Rangers OR drop the price. I believe the majority would just rather have the former though.
I'm a little confused why so many ppl are not liking these. Isn't the only difference being the insole? Which is easily replaced. I have iron Rangers that I stuck boot insoles in for 2 reasons. They help take up a little volume, if the boot isn't snug, which mine weren't. And also it's just more comfortable. Just my opinion
Wtf Red Wing!?! I don’t personally care for the style, but the fact you’re using those man-made materials really freaks me out. Why fix it if it ain’t broke? It’s bad enough you’re throwing inserts into everything. Don’t do this, please.
Way to go Redwing! If your goal is to ruin your reputation at making a really good product you nailed it! If they do this with their whole lineup I’m swapping brands.
I am saddened and dismayed that RW would choose to lower the quality of the heritage build. I would love a Oro-Legacy Ranger but poron /texon are deal breakers. Goodby RW a log term relationship has come to end. With that we turn to Trickers, Crocket and Jones, Alden etc.
Having owned the moc wedges and Irons and being one to abuse the hell out of my boots an easy 2 week break in for a few years of absolute comfort and something you can trust to last is better than settling for less but these are a pretty big let down. If they were what they said, a true iron upper, on the original wedge, these would be a dream. Irons are slippery, the moc toes always blow out at the toe stitching. These are a match made in heaven. Maybe they were worried they'd sell out there leaders. Maybe they're cutting cost. Maybe there trying to appeal to the whines of the people wearing them for street fashion. But don't call it heritage if it's not heritage quality and definitely knock $100 off the price tag!
synthetic materials... maybe people will worm up to foam as they did with vibram . as for myself, i m not buying anytime soon a foam sole red wing, and i like the blacksmiths that i m wearing now.
Glad I bought red wing heritage boots before they lost their way. These are now Thorogood equivalent. Don't see how the construction is any different/better than those now.
Exactly, and at least Thorogood used Horween leathers for the heritage boots they made. SB leather is great but it's the same stuff over and over. It's like eating the same cereal for breakfast for life.
@@ibbjos08absolutely! bring out some limited editions in horween or shinki horse rump leathers, mix it up like that and don't touch the internal heritage construction materials.
The face you made when opening the box said it all. That’s ok I hate it too. I like the traction thread sole just not on the IR. I Love RW but breaking in the boots are part of the experience. Taking that away from the consumer to make it more like a sneaker is extremely sad. Please RW keep don’t change.
Yea he has that "WTF is this?!" look. You can see he is criticizing it in his head while trying to verbalize words of intrigue; but those micro-expressions cannot lie
Saw them in store last month when my wife went to get me a pair of Red Rangers for Christmas. Looked interesting with the 360 degree Goodyear welt and more "work" aesthetic, but in the end, got what I expected.
Not going to lie, I'm disappointed with the insole construction changes. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but I'd go for a pair of Thursdays instead if I wanted Poron in there
I'm just a casual boot fan and despite wanting to try out brands like White's and Nick's, I got several pairs of Red Wings instead and I was really happy with them. Upon seeing this, the next time I want to get another pair of boots, I'll have to consider jumping to other brands, or at least be more cautious of Red Wing's.
i dont like the use of synthetic materials in heritage boots but i can also understand that REDWING wants to increase their appeal to people other than masochistic dressers(who wear clothes/footwear which require a proper break-in period).
I did a 180 on these. I have really grown to appreciate what Red Wing has done here. I love the traditional Rangers, but they are a bit overwrought for me. I look forward to trying these.
I’d much rather see the Iron Rangers with a lug sole than the wedge sole but I guess this is the new route RW are heading - cobblers would be disappointed when time comes to re-sole due to the inner nylons, polyester and breathable mesh materials…
When I received these boots I was a little disappointed comparing them to the previous version. But they suddenly showed themselves simply wonderful in winter. Even at a temperature of - 17 C!!! The first impression was deceiving. Great boots!
Gorgeous boot. These "collabs" between classics don't always yield that same synergy of their individual parts, but this style does. And I appreciate the thoughtfulness that's gone into the "invisible" insides too.
Just....wow. That the brains at Red Wing actually thought it was going to go down well that they've stepped DOWN to Thursday Boots quality of materials is amazing. Of course Nick is down with it because he has "I Heart Thursdays" tattooed across his chest but that is really not going to go down well with certain segments of the market who expect better, especially at $350 a pop. And rightfully so. Redi Wing has lost their minds.
Red Wing, why are you using cheap texon, and charging more for boots. Are you trying to be Thursdays? I mean if you are charging less for boost I am ok with that, but more?
Not a fan of the heavy use of synthetic materials. I was so excited for a oro-legacy iron ranger but will pass on the boot solely because of the use of texon and the mesh lining. Very sad.
I guess the whole point for Red Wing is reaching new customers/marketa besides heritage boot enthusiasts. So that makes sense from a business perspective. However, I can’t see them matching Grant Stone’s Brass boot on Saddle Tan 🙌
I think these boots are perfect. I actually own a pair of these (#8089) AND they’re very comfortable. Also, I own a pair of black of regular Iron Ranger #8084 and the’re nice but the 8089’s are way more comfortable. You have people typing all these bad reviews and they don’t even own a pair of red wings.. just because someone at another channel say something negative people will follow… senseless.. shave some money ($700) and buy these and a regular iron rangers and compare them for yourself so you can have your own opinion. 🤦♂️
Love this boot! Super comfy with one of their best leathers on the outside still is cool. Got a pair off SierraTP for like $200. I can see why some people are upset but if you have a pair of Thursdays or Thorogoods and then complain of the inside of this, you’re crazy.
I was trying these on the other day when I went to get my second pair of RW.. (first being 8111). I noticed the increased comfort compared to other IR and decided to sleep on it and do some research. I saw this and Rose Anvil’s video and decided to go with the 1907 Moc instead. The look of these is fantastic! I don’t have any preference for the lug sole either. The wedge is perfectly fine in my opinion. The problem lies in the new construction of the sole that relies heavily on synthetic materials that you’d be lucky to get 2 years out of… I would love a Oro legacy Iron ranger so badly, but this just isn’t worth it for a temporary, disposable shoe. I really hope RW doesn’t turn into Timberland by trying to appeal to the masses with a no-breakin boot. Even if it’s to cut cost, I would’ve been happy to pay extra for an Oro legacy IR with the same construction as the rest of the lineup.
Would be nice if the Iron Ranger was on a 360 split welt as an option. Ditch the synthetics and create a real boot. Seems you have to pay 500+ for Nick's or Whites to get boots that are made correctly. Everything less that that cuts corners somewhere I don't care who makes it.
I have to agree with previous comments. The switch to these synthetic comfy materials is a bad road to go down. He mentioned talking with the board or some crap about the changes. Apparently cost was discussed also to incorporate the use of these synthetic materials. If you don’t like the break in period, buy a different brand. A great boot takes time and you have to earn that durability and comfort. That’s the plain truth. Cheaper materials may be more comfortable, but the longevity is not there. Your boots become throw always. Glad I introduced myself to vibergs and nick’s. Even smaller boot makers like oak street and Truman. Redwing is going to become synonymous with saving money to build a subpar product. As usual it becomes all about saving money and quality suffers. This probably makes my current redwings more desirable now when all the redwings going forward will be on the low end quality scale.
Yet again, I'm Super disappointed by the direction that Red Wing is going with the construction of their new boots. BOOOOOO Might as well just buy Thorogoods if you're looking for a boot with B.S. composite construction.
People make too big of a deal out of the break-in period. I mean, sure, it's not a joy, but it's not the hell that many people make it out to be. It's pretty stiff at first, but it doesn't take long to start feeling it improve under your feet. Of course, I can only speak from my experience, obviously, I suppose it's different for everyone. But, in my opinion, the break-in is a sign of a quality boot. When I'm working my way through the break-in, I know the reward is going to be many years of enjoying a great, solid pair of boots that get better looking and more comfortable with time. But if I wear a different pair of boots that already feel broken-in right away, I think, 'uh-oh, what's this going to feel like (and look like) in 5 years? Probably not great'. Keep the synthetic materials out of the Heritage line and stick with the leather and cork. It's superior in every way. Plus, I imagine that 99.9% of Heritage customers would rather pay the little bit extra for that superior construction than save a small amount of money in exchange for an inferior boot. *Keep doing it right, Red Wing. That's what people want.* 🥾 👑
I really think there’s nothing wrong with this. They still make their Classic Mocs and Iron Rangers the same way, this is just to expand to a larger market. I, for one, am game and want a pair
I guess I'm coming into boot culture and am just skipping the Red Wings of the world. I started with a couple Thursdays, and they got me hooked. Ended up just putting in some MTOs with Nicks/Whites and some Indonesian companies. Agreed on the disappointment with change up of materials. I get it; more mass appeal, but it's also a bummer.
@@Stridewise I think the issue at hand is that they were more dress. For me I have a wide toe box unfortunately and could never get the slimmer last of those two to work. So I think part of the issue was that. I for one would kill for another go at the Munson Ranger. I tend to use my boots for work and comfort first, materials second, longevity third, and style last. I might be able to talk Shyler at Nick's Boots into picking up a Munson last for me and create my own Munson Ranger I suppose. I'll head down in person and see if he'll be game maybe a little later this week. Myself and another guy on style forums are both gunning for a boot made on the Munson last.
@@Vultain Whats the Munson last? I'm a narrow heel, wide toes foot so am very interested if its made for those proportions. Stylish dress shoes/boots are often too narrow in the toes.
@@aradoran If I recall correctly, the Munson last was developed by an army doctor, last name Munson, as a last that allows the foot to move more naturally and fits a large percentage of people.
First and foremost, thanks for all your content, I’m a fan and love how you bring us information from all over. Keep it up Stridewise 👍🏽 Now.....I like the boot, and I happen to own about a hundred pairs. I have my thoughts on what they could add. I’m just glad, they added a oro legacy to iron rangers . 🤙🏽
The only good thing that came from this is the ability to have a real Iron Ranger in a pretty exclusive leather in the Oro Legacy ie. have a cobbler re-sole it! Be sure to have them replace all of the synthetic material for oak tanned leather & cork + a 270 welt. I would do an old school nitrile cork outsole, a Dr. Sole Cord sole or maybe even an urban logger stacked leather heel + a Vibram full lug sole.
Dang, not really understanding all the hateful comments. I personally love this one. I had my hawthorn IR resoled on a wedge last year, and I honestly like it more than the original, plus a little easier on the knees! Kinda disappointed about the insole, but I would be interested to see how this holds up in the long run.
People think just because one new boot is a little different that the whole company is different. He specifically said it's this boot to feel more sneaker like. Clearly testing to see if it's a viable way to make an alternative boot. The other classics are made the same way they always have been.
Love the idea of these all the way around, they look great! The thought of adding the comfort features is a plus but that Traction Tred light is killer on these for me. Just picked up some moc toes but adding these to my wishlist.
Heritage line MUST NOT have somekind of manmade material. Period. From the way the manager talked about all the new mesh, foam, etc material it is clear that RW is trying to push to the greater mass market where comfort is one of the biggest factor to sell. But selling it at a heritage collection price is just ridiculous. You do not expect people to pay premium price for less durable product. These new products with new material should be put on newer line not heritage.
Honestly, I can't agree with all these comments that seem to take themselves too seriously. I got a pair of the 8088 for just 207€ back in 2021 in Europe so I don't know if this video is a reupload or what. Been wearing them a lot. No issues with the liner or anything.
440 plus Canadian dollars for this thing is just absurd. You can get a Canada west boot that is almost identical for 150 less, and even more on sale if you're in Canada at least.
Just something customers have been doing to their boots, replacing the mini-lug with the wedge sole. It's about time RW woke up and stated producing this boot.
Great, another Red Wing boot that has a bad sole and of course probably comes in only a D width as well.....I am glad there are other company's that make wide widths. My hometown boot company is sad to say, losing their way in making boots.. I guess going cheap is the way to go for some boot company's .
I also found out many are not avail online to sacrifice so that stockists can have inventory to sell at retail stores. Otherwise their own stores and retail partners would have nothing to sell
![[ASMR] Upgrading the Red Wing Iron Ranger sole](/img/1.gif)
They had me until the insole. Love this boot but the direction red wing is going in is very sad. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with people liking this type of insole but for me, I’ll stick to my 875.
yeah, kinda disappointed they are not sticking to all leather
Came here to say this^^^
Can't agree more.
Texxon, like in a $45 Walmart shoe. Nice to see in a $350 boot.
you mean polyester?
I used to love Red Wing…but now I feel like I don’t even know them anymore. And judging by the other comments, I’m not alone.
As a person that has over thirty pairs of Red Wings I must say this is very disappointing. I fell for this crap design in the new Chelsea boot because I assumed it would be made the way they always were without checking first. Redwing people want quality, not another POS.
Beckman discontinued, and this monstrosity is born.
Completely. Lol
Yeah bring back the beckman models, ready to buy every model red wing come out with assuming not using synthetic materials.
@Alexander Joseph what's not to like? I always go to my local red wing store to have 2 sets of speed hooks put on my beckman. Really helped with the breakin, especially when the stock waxed laces are so short.
Was keen to get a pair of these until hearing about the synthetic materials being used - not good if red wing heading down this path in their heritage line. I would like to see more moc toes on a cork or half sole. Also hoping to see more Munson rangers which I am yet to get a pair. Also keen on seeing more Beckman flatbox models coming back
I really liked the look of this thing. I also wanted to get a pair but i wish they had put a leather insole in there. Perhaps they ought to make another line, called faux heritage where they can get people who arent interested in long term longevity of leather in the boot.
From a business stand point i understand trying to capture more sales but dont alienate your existing customers many of whom were probably very excited to grab this boot. I wonder what the percentage of people is who might be staying away from this boot after learning about its construction.
Almost seemed like nick wasnt too excited about it after hearing what was going on inside this thing.
I am also in favor of rerunning alot of those models you mentioned. And rerun lots of older models from back in the day too. There are alot of people ready to buy alot of boots.. Wish they could understand that.
@@IHav2BlackCats yeah I hv a pair of 4440 11 3e ( steel toe moc toe mini lug). Love the boots but would like them in a 6 inch plus be actually commercially available ( rather than eBay).
@@IHav2BlackCats absolutely agree
@@IHav2BlackCats I personally think it’s the look of the boot that is more off putting than the actual build of the boot. To me, it’s hideous.
Yes, the synthetic materials is a big misstep, people want the thick leather as super durable, texon utter rubbish that breaks up bad
If Red Wing was just looking to add comfort to a boot, why wouldn't they just include a removable foam insert? This is about lowering production costs.
100%
Agree. I gotta pair of centennial mocs and that's what they did on that model. I actually took the foam insert out and the boots wear alot better long term.
So I went to the Redwing website to see what was up with these new boots. I noticed several things, first of all they have almost nothing in stock at all. I'd estimate that more than 3/4 of the Heritage line is unavailable right now. I guess the world wide supply shortages have hit them too. This new boot was in stock in most sizes. I figured either nobody wants this crappier version with the synthetic and manmade garbage materials in the footbed, or the real reason they came out with this is because they can't keep their supply of veg tan insole leather flowing. This would explain why so many of the other boots are unavailable, they can't get the insole leather for them. I also noticed that they changed something on the website. On each shoe's page, if you scroll down to the "Materials Used" section they have removed the entry in the list for "Footbed" or "Insole". They all used to have this and it was listed as Leather, except for the Chelsea boots that listed it as Poron and Leather. Now they don't even tell you what the construction is. This is NOT a good sign. This is the kind of sneaky sketchy crap that companies do when they are about to start cutting corners across their entire line. They are hoping that nobody will notice. I would be SOOOOO pissed if, in the future, I ordered a pair of Iron Rangers or Blacksmiths and got a pair with this garbage layered disposable insole. I would send them back immediately for a refund and order a pair of Wescos. I hope Redwing is reading these comments and realises that they are flirting with destroying their entire flagship line.
Yeah, I will not buy a pair of boots from red wing with these kinds of materials.
Absolutely agree.
I'd much rather see the Iron Ranger with a lug sole than a wedge sole.
Absolutely
hey that's a cool idea
That was my plan, buy a pair of these, and once the wedge was worn out, get a vibram heavy lug sole, them I saw that texon lasting board, not the 5mm veg tan, not going with that plan anymore
I do like that idea… I put a roccia half sole on my Rangers and it is the perfect match. Now if only red wing would make an iron ranger in single E width…
TRUUU!!
I agree with the comments below. Once he said enhanced comfort, red flag #1 popped up. Foam in the insole was flag #2 and nylon vamp was #3. I get that Red Wing wants to branch out to more customers and offer more “modern comforts” but in doing so they will alienate their core fans who come for the long lasting, all natural materials. I’d say that if they make shoes like this, keep them out of the heritage line. There is nothing heritage about plastic, foam and nylon.
Its costing cutting, copying Thursday foots with that the Texon lasting board breaks up after a year to 18 months.
Lol not alienating anyone. Just offering a different style and design. It's not like they're stopping production of the original to make these. You're so dramatic. I'd buy these over the original anyday. Having an actually comfortable boot for a 1-1 1/2 years is better than an uncomfortable one for a long ass time.
Its one of dozen boots you so called hardcore fan hipster, just buy all the other boots and not this one for someone else
Everyone: Man I want a lug sole iron ranger.
Red Wing: Here’s a shitty wedge sole instead.
I'd never trust the resoleability in a shoe where fiberboard is the backbone.
The exterior makeup actually looks decent and the Oro will patina beautifully, but IMO the draw of heritage boots is that they are a "buy it for life" type of purchase. RWs have a very strong collector community and their USA made boots that are decades old still demand a premium in the resale market. This is because of their heritage (all leather) construction and uncompromised durability. Adding foam and composite to the constriction, especially the liner means these will not last for decades. The composite will wear out and simply disintegrate over time. This shift is essentially turning them into tall "use and dispose" sneakers. Very few will invest the money to resole and rebuild a boot that literally has a piece of recycled trash for a liner.
I noticed this too, it still has a veg tan insole but the felt liner made me need to go up a half size... 🤔 I also wanted it for work(concrete floors 16 hours on my feet). I simply can't bring myself to buy when Nick's is $150 more.
It does canvas then felt, what I would do for the Munson Ranger to come back. I will eternally kick myself for missing that one!
Bottom line when you can get the Grant Stone in veg tan with a crepe sole, 3 ribbed shank, leather midsole, and a 100% leather heel counter even with the somewhat faulty grommet (which can eventually be replaced) this is a very very hard sell to me!
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Couldn’t they be resoled however you want?
@@MrZanzibar123 Of course, but the issue is that the Texon and sandwiched foam are a part of the lower construction and this would not be changed unless the boot was entirely rebuilt. The lining is even worse because the mesh will almost certainly wear out far before a leather liner. To change this you would need to deconstruct the boot to replace it with a proper leather one. This would likely cost as much as buying an entirely new boot. Also the change from a veg tan liner in the footbed to an aniline one means it will yes break in faster, but then also wear out faster.
As others have said this seems like they are simply trying to lower materials cost in order to increase profit margins. This change will simply push away their core consumers for the Heritage line, giving that business to other companies. Really sad to watch such a historic brand go down this path.
@@Fitz008888 Agreed, I ended up returning mine. I wouldn't have purchased them before I knew they were constructed that way. For me that is too much compromise to justify the price.
My take... if they want to add models like this that have some of this construction it's not necessarily a bad thing for the right consumers. Now if they change most or all of the heritage lineup to this then yes... that's a problem for many enthusiasts.
So far we're looking at this and the classic Chelsea.
I changed out my mini-lug after 2 years and my local cobbler put on a RW wedge sole on my Copper Rough-n-tough IR. My most comfortable and favorite boot by far. I really enjoy your videos, thanks Nick.
So glad you like them Pat. IR plus wedge sole is a fun animal to see in the wild
THOROGOOD here we come
I’d like to see their reactions to some of these comments…. The word of the day today is Heritage.
They don’t care if they slowly bring down their quality while floating high on their reputation of high quality, in the end it’s about short term money and this way they can make more (shareholders will be happy in the short run and don’t care about the long run). You see it happen with so many companies. Stanley for example, a producer of a lot of hand tools is now still riding on their old reputation of quality while their products have seen a steady decline in quality. Same goes for Dr Martens to name another example.
Please Red Wing, stop cutting costs. I bought a pair of iron rangers last year because of the true heritage construction and if this is the direction you’re moving in, I’m taking my business somewhere else.
I feel the Heritage collection should be made with Heritage materials! The whole appeal with these is the break in period! As with Selvage jeans, etc!
No. The biggest negative woth red wing is the break in period. People literally buy other boots because they dont want to deal with it.
I have literally never once heard anyone say they wish their heritage style boots were easier to break in… The break in is the most satisfying part of a handmade leather boot.
@@cincyreds62 I mean yeah they’re tough to break in, but any leather footbed boot is tough to break in. Also if you get a well fitting boot from the get go, the break in really isn’t that bad.
I’m not trying to say that it must be difficult to break in, but natural materials last longer and are more comfortable the longer you wear them. That feeling of a leather footbed conforming to your foot makes any difficult break-ins 100% worth it. Foam and mesh will break down and eventually you can’t do anything about it.
I have never understood how people have such a hard time with the break in period. I bought my Iron Rangers and wore them around then took them for a walk and they went from somewhat comfortable to very comfortable. I have a standing desk and stand about 8 hours a day so maybe my feet are more used to abuse.
Watched this withing a few minutes of posting. Love the look, it's completely my style. Was about to order and decided to give it a day. Came back 24 hours later, and the comments reflect where I've ended up myself. I don't understand this move to more synthetics, especially at this price point. Especially problematic is the synthetic liner-there's simply no easy way to repair that. And it will wear, much, much faster than leather. So, I'm conflicted. I do love the style-for me it's perfect. I know it's not for everyone. But is this a wise investment? What is the point of a "heritage" line when it's moving away from heritage construction? It just seems a strange move.
I mean it’s not the end of the world as u trying to make it….
love the way these look but i'm not gonna pay that much for synthetic materials , really sad that redwing decided to cut corners , hopefully this doesn't bleed into the rest of their line . hopefully they listen to their customers .
I personally love how these boots look. However, the comments here bring up a good point. Spending $350+ on a pair of boots is an investment customers hope to have them last decades. However the new manmade materials knowingly will not last decades like the traditional Iron Rangers. So it makes sense for all the backlash.
I can only see 2 solutions to this - bring back the leather insoles like the original Iron Rangers OR drop the price. I believe the majority would just rather have the former though.
They raised the price 3 times… I imagine the next step is to continue to cut cost on materials.
No just buy an Iron ranger... wear it.. resole it with crepe. And you got the same product.
@@Ricardo8388 thats plus 100 something so its cheaper to buy unless you buy a used one for 150
Redwing is not known for being a budget brand. that's not what anyone looks for in a redwing
*Even Frankenstein is disappointed.*
I'm a little confused why so many ppl are not liking these. Isn't the only difference being the insole? Which is easily replaced. I have iron Rangers that I stuck boot insoles in for 2 reasons. They help take up a little volume, if the boot isn't snug, which mine weren't. And also it's just more comfortable. Just my opinion
Go home Red Wing, you're drunk...
Lol when CJ Cook describes this release as ugly AF - I go with CJ 😪
Wtf Red Wing!?! I don’t personally care for the style, but the fact you’re using those man-made materials really freaks me out. Why fix it if it ain’t broke? It’s bad enough you’re throwing inserts into everything. Don’t do this, please.
Way to go Redwing! If your goal is to ruin your reputation at making a really good product you nailed it!
If they do this with their whole lineup I’m swapping brands.
Texon belongs in a $200 Thursday boot, not a near $400 red wing boot
I am saddened and dismayed that RW would choose to lower the quality of the heritage build. I would love a Oro-Legacy Ranger but poron /texon are deal breakers. Goodby RW a log term relationship has come to end. With that we turn to Trickers, Crocket and Jones, Alden etc.
Having owned the moc wedges and Irons and being one to abuse the hell out of my boots an easy 2 week break in for a few years of absolute comfort and something you can trust to last is better than settling for less but these are a pretty big let down. If they were what they said, a true iron upper, on the original wedge, these would be a dream. Irons are slippery, the moc toes always blow out at the toe stitching. These are a match made in heaven. Maybe they were worried they'd sell out there leaders. Maybe they're cutting cost. Maybe there trying to appeal to the whines of the people wearing them for street fashion. But don't call it heritage if it's not heritage quality and definitely knock $100 off the price tag!
synthetic materials... maybe people will worm up to foam as they did with vibram . as for myself, i m not buying anytime soon a foam sole red wing, and i like the blacksmiths that i m wearing now.
Glad I bought red wing heritage boots before they lost their way. These are now Thorogood equivalent. Don't see how the construction is any different/better than those now.
Exactly, and at least Thorogood used Horween leathers for the heritage boots they made. SB leather is great but it's the same stuff over and over. It's like eating the same cereal for breakfast for life.
Maybe you just don’t see. They’re perfectly fine boots.
@@ibbjos08absolutely! bring out some limited editions in horween or shinki horse rump leathers, mix it up like that and don't touch the internal heritage construction materials.
The moc toes are still made the old way. Check out Rose Anvil videos. Very well made. These seems like some one-off.
@@CowboyRibeye they sure make this sound like the new method of making their Heritage line going forward.
I love Red Wing boots, but having a hard time wrapping my head around this one. Sorry
The face you made when opening the box said it all. That’s ok I hate it too. I like the traction thread sole just not on the IR. I Love RW but breaking in the boots are part of the experience. Taking that away from the consumer to make it more like a sneaker is extremely sad. Please RW keep don’t change.
Yea he has that "WTF is this?!" look. You can see he is criticizing it in his head while trying to verbalize words of intrigue; but those micro-expressions cannot lie
And how his voice changes when the guy tries to sell in the sneaker insole and mesh lining...
@@hejdingamleraev yes at the end he just couldn’t BS any longer how fakely amazed he is…. “Space age Iron Ranger…”. Lol
I would like the boot better if the sole was black or brown.
Saw them in store last month when my wife went to get me a pair of Red Rangers for Christmas. Looked interesting with the 360 degree Goodyear welt and more "work" aesthetic, but in the end, got what I expected.
Thanks Nick but I think I’ll stick to wearing a different boot on each foot
Not going to lie, I'm disappointed with the insole construction changes. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but I'd go for a pair of Thursdays instead if I wanted Poron in there
I'm just a casual boot fan and despite wanting to try out brands like White's and Nick's, I got several pairs of Red Wings instead and I was really happy with them. Upon seeing this, the next time I want to get another pair of boots, I'll have to consider jumping to other brands, or at least be more cautious of Red Wing's.
Hello. I also like RED WING so it will be a learning experience
"Doing in our heritage line now" is all you need to know, the red wing we all knew is now dead. Long live the king.
i dont like the use of synthetic materials in heritage boots but i can also understand that REDWING wants to increase their appeal to people other than masochistic dressers(who wear clothes/footwear which require a proper break-in period).
I did a 180 on these. I have really grown to appreciate what Red Wing has done here. I love the traditional Rangers, but they are a bit overwrought for me. I look forward to trying these.
Love the look, hate that they are pulling away from the traditional construction & adding synthetic materials. Beautiful boot though.
I think I heard Wesley at Rose Anvil cry when he brought up the insoles.
6:27 the look on your face says it all 😂
As someone who works on concrete and asphalt all day and likes the iron rangers look, I’m happy to see this
Was considering getting a pair for work. Theyre not on the website anymore. Are these discontinued?
I’d much rather see the Iron Rangers with a lug sole than the wedge sole but I guess this is the new route RW are heading - cobblers would be disappointed when time comes to re-sole due to the inner nylons, polyester and breathable mesh materials…
When I received these boots I was a little disappointed comparing them to the previous version. But they suddenly showed themselves simply wonderful in winter. Even at a temperature of - 17 C!!! The first impression was deceiving. Great boots!
Gorgeous boot. These "collabs" between classics don't always yield that same synergy of their individual parts, but this style does. And I appreciate the thoughtfulness that's gone into the "invisible" insides too.
Just....wow. That the brains at Red Wing actually thought it was going to go down well that they've stepped DOWN to Thursday Boots quality of materials is amazing. Of course Nick is down with it because he has "I Heart Thursdays" tattooed across his chest but that is really not going to go down well with certain segments of the market who expect better, especially at $350 a pop. And rightfully so. Redi Wing has lost their minds.
I used the link in the description to express my disappointment with a negative review on Red Wing’s product page. Thanks, Stridewise!
Wedge sole boots are so much quieter on hardwood floors than boots with heels.
Red Wing, why are you using cheap texon, and charging more for boots. Are you trying to be Thursdays? I mean if you are charging less for boost I am ok with that, but more?
Not a fan of the heavy use of synthetic materials. I was so excited for a oro-legacy iron ranger but will pass on the boot solely because of the use of texon and the mesh lining. Very sad.
Same for me :(
Might be my first negative YT comment but those shoes have no reasons to exist.
Hah homey clearly does not like those boots but being polite 🤣
I guess the whole point for Red Wing is reaching new customers/marketa besides heritage boot enthusiasts. So that makes sense from a business perspective. However, I can’t see them matching Grant Stone’s Brass boot on Saddle Tan 🙌
I think these boots are perfect. I actually own a pair of these (#8089) AND they’re very comfortable. Also, I own a pair of black of regular Iron Ranger #8084 and the’re nice but the 8089’s are way more comfortable. You have people typing all these bad reviews and they don’t even own a pair of red wings.. just because someone at another channel say something negative people will follow… senseless.. shave some money ($700) and buy these and a regular iron rangers and compare them for yourself so you can have your own opinion. 🤦♂️
And they're already sold out in my size. Great review and I'll keep checking back to see if they have them back in stock.
Love this boot! Super comfy with one of their best leathers on the outside still is cool. Got a pair off SierraTP for like $200.
I can see why some people are upset but if you have a pair of Thursdays or Thorogoods and then complain of the inside of this, you’re crazy.
Love the oro-legacy, hate the cheaper man-made materials
Wow, great stuff! And 9:28 saves Rose Anvil the time and effort of having to cut these open in the future! Hehe
I just want to make his life easier
I was trying these on the other day when I went to get my second pair of RW.. (first being 8111). I noticed the increased comfort compared to other IR and decided to sleep on it and do some research. I saw this and Rose Anvil’s video and decided to go with the 1907 Moc instead.
The look of these is fantastic! I don’t have any preference for the lug sole either. The wedge is perfectly fine in my opinion. The problem lies in the new construction of the sole that relies heavily on synthetic materials that you’d be lucky to get 2 years out of… I would love a Oro legacy Iron ranger so badly, but this just isn’t worth it for a temporary, disposable shoe.
I really hope RW doesn’t turn into Timberland by trying to appeal to the masses with a no-breakin boot. Even if it’s to cut cost, I would’ve been happy to pay extra for an Oro legacy IR with the same construction as the rest of the lineup.
Would be nice if the Iron Ranger was on a 360 split welt as an option. Ditch the synthetics and create a real boot. Seems you have to pay 500+ for Nick's or Whites to get boots that are made correctly. Everything less that that cuts corners somewhere I don't care who makes it.
I adore the content you bring man. It’s informative, and yet brings a legit fabase to this type of product.
I appreciate that Jose!
I have to agree with previous comments. The switch to these synthetic comfy materials is a bad road to go down. He mentioned talking with the board or some crap about the changes. Apparently cost was discussed also to incorporate the use of these synthetic materials. If you don’t like the break in period, buy a different brand. A great boot takes time and you have to earn that durability and comfort. That’s the plain truth. Cheaper materials may be more comfortable, but the longevity is not there. Your boots become throw always. Glad I introduced myself to vibergs and nick’s. Even smaller boot makers like oak street and Truman. Redwing is going to become synonymous with saving money to build a subpar product. As usual it becomes all about saving money and quality suffers. This probably makes my current redwings more desirable now when all the redwings going forward will be on the low end quality scale.
I have the regular Amber Harness Iron Rangers and I love them, my ol lady bought them for me.
I have a 10 year old pair!
@@Stridewise Damn, that’s cool.
Hopefully it comes with a black wedge sole
Yet again, I'm Super disappointed by the direction that Red Wing is going with the construction of their new boots. BOOOOOO
Might as well just buy Thorogoods if you're looking for a boot with B.S. composite construction.
They should add a 8 inch moctoe in the back klondike or any other black leather to the regular heritage line.
People make too big of a deal out of the break-in period. I mean, sure, it's not a joy, but it's not the hell that many people make it out to be. It's pretty stiff at first, but it doesn't take long to start feeling it improve under your feet. Of course, I can only speak from my experience, obviously, I suppose it's different for everyone. But, in my opinion, the break-in is a sign of a quality boot. When I'm working my way through the break-in, I know the reward is going to be many years of enjoying a great, solid pair of boots that get better looking and more comfortable with time. But if I wear a different pair of boots that already feel broken-in right away, I think, 'uh-oh, what's this going to feel like (and look like) in 5 years? Probably not great'. Keep the synthetic materials out of the Heritage line and stick with the leather and cork. It's superior in every way. Plus, I imagine that 99.9% of Heritage customers would rather pay the little bit extra for that superior construction than save a small amount of money in exchange for an inferior boot. *Keep doing it right, Red Wing. That's what people want.* 🥾 👑
I really think there’s nothing wrong with this. They still make their Classic Mocs and Iron Rangers the same way, this is just to expand to a larger market. I, for one, am game and want a pair
Saw someone do this on reddit. Thought it looked awesome.
I'd rather get Grant Stone Brass boot, no man made stuff in their boots.
Grant Stone sounds too American for a Chinese boot brand
Oh wow that was their new model! I saw it online and thought they looked great. Amazing video Nick!
I guess I'm coming into boot culture and am just skipping the Red Wings of the world. I started with a couple Thursdays, and they got me hooked. Ended up just putting in some MTOs with Nicks/Whites and some Indonesian companies. Agreed on the disappointment with change up of materials. I get it; more mass appeal, but it's also a bummer.
Redwing please make a dress/smart-casual boot with leather insoke & midsole. I have no choice but to buy from competitors when I really love Redwing.
They've come out with a bunch of boots like that - eg the Williston and Sheldon - but they just never sell that well
@@Stridewise Thanks Nick are they discontinued currently? Maybe there is NOS somewhere.
@@Stridewise I think the issue at hand is that they were more dress. For me I have a wide toe box unfortunately and could never get the slimmer last of those two to work. So I think part of the issue was that.
I for one would kill for another go at the Munson Ranger. I tend to use my boots for work and comfort first, materials second, longevity third, and style last. I might be able to talk Shyler at Nick's Boots into picking up a Munson last for me and create my own Munson Ranger I suppose. I'll head down in person and see if he'll be game maybe a little later this week. Myself and another guy on style forums are both gunning for a boot made on the Munson last.
@@Vultain Whats the Munson last? I'm a narrow heel, wide toes foot so am very interested if its made for those proportions. Stylish dress shoes/boots are often too narrow in the toes.
@@aradoran If I recall correctly, the Munson last was developed by an army doctor, last name Munson, as a last that allows the foot to move more naturally and fits a large percentage of people.
I made a custom pair of these yrs ago! Cool that they came out now!!
First and foremost, thanks for all your content, I’m a fan and love how you bring us information from all over. Keep it up Stridewise 👍🏽
Now.....I like the boot, and I happen to own about a hundred pairs. I have my thoughts on what they could add. I’m just glad, they added a oro legacy to iron rangers . 🤙🏽
Good News !!!!
The only good thing that came from this is the ability to have a real Iron Ranger in a pretty exclusive leather in the Oro Legacy ie. have a cobbler re-sole it! Be sure to have them replace all of the synthetic material for oak tanned leather & cork + a 270 welt. I would do an old school nitrile cork outsole, a Dr. Sole Cord sole or maybe even an urban logger stacked leather heel + a Vibram full lug sole.
sounds disposable
Dang, not really understanding all the hateful comments. I personally love this one. I had my hawthorn IR resoled on a wedge last year, and I honestly like it more than the original, plus a little easier on the knees! Kinda disappointed about the insole, but I would be interested to see how this holds up in the long run.
Yeah I'm on the fence. For the price I would prefer heritage materials and definitely not the mesh liner. It is a good looking boot though.
I think the hateful comments are from the usage of synthetic materials, not the look of the boot.
People think just because one new boot is a little different that the whole company is different. He specifically said it's this boot to feel more sneaker like. Clearly testing to see if it's a viable way to make an alternative boot. The other classics are made the same way they always have been.
Spotting a few interesting chelsea looking wedges on that rack too. Intriguing colors.
Really wanted 8111 but here no size for me so i settled with this 8089. Awesome. Don't care what others say.
HA dude I just posted a story on my instagram about how much I love this boot, screw the haters it's awesome!
I just resoled a pair, with white wedge soles. It's the same product.
Those are just to cut cost.
what's to cut cost
Love the idea of these all the way around, they look great! The thought of adding the comfort features is a plus but that Traction Tred light is killer on these for me. Just picked up some moc toes but adding these to my wishlist.
awesome first boot look! you are the big time!
Heritage line MUST NOT have somekind of manmade material. Period. From the way the manager talked about all the new mesh, foam, etc material it is clear that RW is trying to push to the greater mass market where comfort is one of the biggest factor to sell. But selling it at a heritage collection price is just ridiculous. You do not expect people to pay premium price for less durable product. These new products with new material should be put on newer line not heritage.
I saw a custom iron Ranger with vibram 100 lug and i fell in love
ruclips.net/video/s5jCobecCzE/видео.html here it is. If redwing released this I'll get two
Damn I do believe these are going to be my next boot.
Honestly, I can't agree with all these comments that seem to take themselves too seriously. I got a pair of the 8088 for just 207€ back in 2021 in Europe so I don't know if this video is a reupload or what. Been wearing them a lot. No issues with the liner or anything.
I love these boots and don't care who knows it
They're horrible. A complete monstrosity.
440 plus Canadian dollars for this thing is just absurd. You can get a Canada west boot that is almost identical for 150 less, and even more on sale if you're in Canada at least.
What I really want to see is a Red Wing heritage minimalist style boot with a zero rise heal and a wider last.
the wedge soles are preeeetty close to zero rise
Just something customers have been doing to their boots, replacing the mini-lug with the wedge sole. It's about time RW woke up and stated producing this boot.
I want to know what weston say about this sole 😁
Great, another Red Wing boot that has a bad sole and of course probably comes in only a D width as well.....I am glad there are other company's that make wide widths. My hometown boot company is sad to say, losing their way in making boots.. I guess going cheap is the way to go for some boot company's .
I also found out many are not avail online to sacrifice so that stockists can have inventory to sell at retail stores. Otherwise their own stores and retail partners would have nothing to sell