the 34mm Goodyear F1 you fitted for me at the end of last year are brilliant - tubeless, they hold their pressure well and are just so comfortable to ride on all surfaces. After 40 years riding 23-25mm tyres at 90 - 100 psi I still can't believe how 34mm and 50psi can be faster and more comfortable but it is
I love Shcwalbe Pro One tubeless. They always inspire me with confidence on the bike. Fast and grippy round corners. Plus such a smooth ride. Really noticed the difference switching from Continental GP 5000s.
I switched from the original P Zero clincher to GP5000 a few years ago when Pirelli prices shot up. I hammer my tyres around the West Mids but the GP5000 have been great, up to 8,000 miles on a front, never punctured one and not noticed any drop off in performance. Splitting hairs between the two brands but I'll probably continue with Conti for the durability.
From personal experience, the Continental Grand Sport Race provide the best performance and bang for buck. Have had Pirelli, GP5000 and IMHO the Grand Sport Race are the best out there. Excellent in terms of durability (puncture and wear resistance are top notch), great grip in dry and wet, quite comfy, rolling resistance is not that bad and feel OK. Only drawback is that they are not tubeless compatible and the weight, however with a set of RideNow TPU tubes and after a year of use, no issues whatsoever. And in terms of pricing they are an absolute bang!
Fun fact about the Grand Sports is that they use the same compound as Ultra Sports III which are super cheap and definitely my favourite road tire. For race day I would use Michelin Lithion pro 4, but 99% of my kilometers (apparently I'm not from the Islands) are done on the Conti Ultra Sports. Also TPU tube fan here - IMO better than tubeless and butyl/latex tubes.
@@GregTheGuitarist I use the ultra sports with TPU's , the combination is very high performing and they make a strange spaceship hum at speed I love it.
Well, if you don’t live in England, take your new tires out of the packaging, unfold them, and lay them outside in the bright sunshine for a few hours before you mount them.
Best tire review! Honest and open. Pirelli zero are so solid as a less expensive option. Conti problems are very real. I've had a few and had issues eventually every time. Currently running Vittoria rubino pro control for city riding, and I'm generally pleased. Not much rain, so no opinion on the wet performance. Bravo Paul!
@@robertmcfadyen9156 correct. We have to choose what we believe suits our clients the best. We keep stock of Michelin, Pirelli, Conti, Vittoria and Goodyear. We can easily order in almost everything else except maybe Rene Herse and rebrands from giant, botrager and Spech for example.
Been watching for about two years and I seriously want to move to your area and work in your shop for my twilight years before retirement. 😅 it just looks like such an amazing shop to work! 👍
Of all tyres manufacturers I’ve used over 30 years of road cycling I’ve found Schwalbe to be the most consistent and comfortable. Pro Ones are excellent and can be found for well below RRP (mostly Merlin Cycles). The tubeless are excellent for comfort and grip. I did like Veloflex with latex tubes but found them very fragile and didn’t last long. I’m running Pro One 25mm with Tpu at the mo excellent grip and comfort.
Love these vids with Paul giving us a great selection of tool and repair options and guidance. The ebike with the Bosch motor replacement was so useful.
schwalbe marathon racer 40mm here for me its the perfect balanced tire for much grip in wet on asphalt as dry conditions and rolling riscistance is also like non existing love that tire👍👍
Great real time testing. Seeing you in the work shop and then testing on the road is definitely the way to review products and showcase ideas. Like it a lot👍. I note with interest the saddle you were riding! One that I am very interested in trying but at the price I can’t afford to make a mistake. “No shop or on line seller will let you try before you buy” so I am trusting your judgment, as I did with my FF RYOT44s, just love’m. So fingers crossed I’ll have many comfortable hours in the saddle. I’ll give the Pirelli’s a go when my trusty 5000s are finished 😬. Stay safe you all. Cheers.
I would say that type of saddle only really suits lean ish people. A bit of extra fat and I think it will be quite uncomfortable. I think Selle italia have a money back guarantee. Maybe check their website.
We recently bought some Specialised SWorks Turbos. They’re tubeless with tan walls (28mm). Cost just £30 each. After 3 months’ riding they have been great. Also my wife can get them on and off her wheels. Unlike certain other brands!
Shhhh! The power cups are my goto because they have that elusive, almost unattainable these days, combination of quality and value for money(a.k.a. 'a Fifer's dream'). Now, everyone will be buying them!
Power Cup Competitions for the win!!! Tremendous value for money and similar performance to the Contis GP5000. Got a pair of the Classic Look ones for less than $80USD and matched with latex tubes are heaven!!!
Tyres: Vittoria Corsa Pro Control (the latest version, not the G2) - Fantastic, supple tyres which remind me of a mix of the old Open Pave and the quality/feel of tubs. With our dreadful roads in the UK, I wouldn't consider anything but fast all season tyres. 3D printed saddles: I had a nightmare with a very expensive lightweight 3D printed saddle (which will remain nameless...) at the start of this year. It totally crucified me in 6 rides despite very careful fit and set up. I've gone back to my preferred Pro Stealth Performance. Jury still out on 3D printed saddles...
Tyre wise, I do like Pirelli. I use the more robust Cinturatu to help with less punctures and these set up tubeless work very well for me. Grip is very good and decent wear rate to. My avoid all costs are Schwalbe as I have never been able to set a pair of these up tubeless.
Hi Paul. I’m the mechanic that rang you earlier today. The issue was the seal. The customer had stripped his freehub on a new bike to remove the grease in order to achieve a louder click, I don’t lnow either. He’d lost his seal and replaced it with one from a freehub that ostensibly fit but pressed down on the bearing. He coughed it after about two hours of f%~¥+!\ around. I got and original part and it all worked .well, red grease re-installed too. What a pain in the arse that was. Thanks ever so much for your help earlier. Much obliged.,
Pirelli P-Zero Race TLR 30C for me. Have done 200 miles of road, country cycle paths, etc. Wear is good, but speed and comfort is fantastic - at 75 PSI, they provide a nice supple ride quality and so far, so punctures.
I’m a fan of Pirelli p zero race and cintaurato brilliant have Pirelli clinchers on all my bikes. I can generally do them without tyre lever tool but they are clinchers.. I do like the Goodyear as well though and they are very effective 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
Have been running Pzero TLRs for a few years and love them. Just trying the RC, as you say they are harder to fit but feel really smooth and fast on the road. No issues so far in an Aussie winter
I’ve used 28mm Pirelli P-Race Zero TLR 4S (Speedcore) on DT Swiss RR421 db rims (SILCA sealant) since Jan, never had a flat, easy to install, great grip, probably done about 1,500 miles on them on UK roads. Really confident inspiring and so far good wear in all conditions. Also have FFWD Ryot wheels, I have the Race version of the P-Zero. No issues, after 500 miles. Same set up, would happily buy again.
Hey Paul, mounted the Pirelli 30’s I got from you last week on my partners bike, replacing Conti 5000 both tubeless. The Pirelli’s were a bit of a nightmare to get onto a Zipp Firecrest rim tbh. fingers crossed they’re ok to get off if I ever need to whack a tube in roadside. However she loved the improved comfort and ride quality, it’s a bit sketchy riding in Northumberland these days as a result of deteriorating roads and potholes. See how they last. Thanks for another great vid 👍
Needed tires during the nonsense virus period. Had GP5000 28’s. The new version was coming out and couldn’t find them. Switched to P-Zero. Really liked them. Ordered some wheels and got a good deal on deals, so Pro Ones 30’s. Like them the best. Easy to install, got set with just a regular pump. The Goodyears were on the list.
I've used a lot of different brands, I started with Vredestein and when they stopped making the tyres I had at the time I tried a set of Continental GP4000's. I noticed my cornering was a lot worse on those so I went looking for grip tests which made me buy a set of Michelin Pro4. I absolutely loved those, the grip - especially in the wet - was amazing and I kept riding those until the Power-series arrived. I ruined my first set of those on my first ride because they where limited to 7bar and I was used to riding on 8, so I had some blowouts. So after that set I switched to Schwalbe, which I didn't like (but I do love them on my gravelbike), and Vittoria which I also didn't fancy. So I went back to Michelin and lowered the pressure and have been on them since. Love the grip and speed and the only change I made was switching to TPU inners.
@@Mapdec I know, and I run my wider tyres on lower pressures. On my road and TT bikes I'm running 25mm ones and with my weight they should be set a little higher. And I don't run them below 70 because if I do that Michelin will get angry ;-) .
I did consider Schwalbe Pro One, or even go back to Conti GP 5000.. But then I came about the Pirelli P Zero. Haven’t tested it yet but i’m hoping it performs well.
I just installed a set of Pirelli P Zero race TLR's in 35c coming from Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR 32c's and I agree, to heck with a couple of grams here and half a watt there; confidence is everything, and wow do these ever feel great, bike feels stable as a motorcycle. Going up in size to this extent, maybe my acceleration feels a bit less explosive but other than that they don't feel slower at all, in fact since I'm spending less time worrying about bunny hopping potholes and cracks, and I feel so much more confident in corners and descents, this makes them a performance upgrade for me. (At 90-95kg, 25c-28's just don't work for me on the roads here.)
I agree about Conti. Had lots of bad experiences with them. My current favourite for last few years is the S Works Turbo. Rides well, and last really long time.
My choice for road and fine gravel (because I only have one bike!) is Conti Gatorskins with Vittoria latex tubes. It is true they require more frequent inflation, but they give me a good balance of reliability, performance and comfort. For climbs I have another wheelset with Conti 5000's. Both are 28mm. I like the 5000's for grip and performance, but the sidewall is very fragile, so I use them only on good roads.
Being running specialized Turbo Cottons with TPU tubes. In my opinion very quick . Road them for a week in the Italian Apes and descended the Stellvio in torrential rain and no issues, Normally ride around Essex lanes and had 1 puncture in 6 weeks, Normally £65 per tyre but can pick up for £35 if shop around right time of year. Very easy to put on and take off as soft tyre. Probably as soft tyre one season tyre and then need swapping out but if pick up half price very good in my opinion.
GP5000 I think the “cracking” you indicated is their “laser etching”. That rough appearance is there from new, but not on the lower grade “Grand Prix” which uses the same Black Chilli compound but wears with a “smooth” look. If I’m correct, I think it acts like tiny sipes. I’ve found the GP5000 version to grip slightly better in the wet and there’s not much price difference locally anymore.
Found the P-Zero RS a bit difficult to fit the first time, much easier once removed and reinstalled. Loved the grip of the RS, but for everyday still ride the P-Zero Race with latex tubes. Good performance, comfortable ride, and save a few $
@mapdeccycleworks interesting vid. For me, if I was riding on continental roads, a Challenge Strada or a Vitoria Corsa 700x28 would be a go to tyre. Just because they are supple, fast rolling and the tan wall options look cool. Riding in the Lakes or pretty much anywhere in the UK however, the surfaces just require something a bit more punchy and protective. Recently been riding a Panaracer Gravel King on my winter bike, which I thought might be overkill, but actually is the perfect antidote to #potholed #Britain.
32mm Continental GP5000 S TR on 22mm aluminium DT Swiss rims, front 4.7bar, rear 4.8bar, tubeless with Effeto Mariposa Caffelatex sealant. Total weight of 115Kg. Just clocking 2100Km, no discernable punctures, and still really like the tyres.
You're very right on your choices. My experience is only with Michelins and Contis. Haven't used P-Zero nor GY F1-s. Was leaning toward F1s last years, but picked Michelin-s off the shelve. Great tires, wear evenly, no flat edge, no fiber strings on the sides (so far).
I had the 11-34 cassette (that comes standard with 105 Di2 groupset) swapped for an 11-36 when I bought my bike, only having to pay the difference in price between the two cassettes, so very affordable. Living in a quite hilly part of Wales I love having the extra two teeth for those long climbs that can otherwise be a bit of a nightmare and particularly if there is a 30mph headwind and driving rain, and you just feel like crying 😂
I find the GP5000 S TR to be great summer tires. I haven't had that degradation issue you did. I do ride in a very humid area. What I don't like about these is they have horrible wet grip. I would have tried GP5000 AS but I can't really buy them where I live and they are expensive. Ultra Sport clinchers are great for the money. Better wet grip and puncture res than GP5k Grand Sports I tried once and though they were crap. Much better to use the Ultra Sport ----- If I might ride wet climbs I like using the Vittoria Corsa N.ext tires. They're sort of an all season tire. Great grip. Better puncture/cut resistance. I would have tried a GP5000 AS but they aren't really available where I live. And the N.ext are cheaper. For tube tires the N.ext seem quite great. They're really light. I just bought two 28c tires. one is 210 grams and one 220 grams.
Best RUclips channel ever. I’m satisfied with my Pirelli Cinturato Velo 35 mm for training and long distance event and Tufo Comtura 28 mm for faster race events.
Cinturato Velo 28 + 32mm, used at least in 3 winters, zero puncture (knock wood). Tad bit slower, but I hate to fix a puncture when it's freezing cold out there.
@@SonnyDarvish If they are 1km/h slower for 95% of the riders is not any problem. People has got crazy about speed and rolling resistant tests who is made for those riders with 40km/h average on 150 km rides
@@SonnyDarvish I use my Pirelli Conturato 35mm on DT Swiss CRC 1400 wheels and I can ride 150 km with 30km/h with these tires, no one in my age group has beat me yet, I’m 57 years
I switched from the pirelli pzero race 4s thinking it was durable enough...I got a side slash at 500miles. Replaced them with cinturato velo 32c and I love it! I was thinking of getting tye 35c next time. It's definitely slower that gp5000 or pzero race but at least it's confidence inspiring knowing it's not gonna puncture as easy as most other tires.
The interesting thing I find about P Zeros is that when I was motor racing sports cars, nobody used them, everyone only had bad things to say about them. The only people who ran Pirelli were the doctors and lawyers with their supercars that came with them. Car guys who do track can and will talk for hours and hours about tyres and compounds. Other than driver upgrades, it’s the easiest and cheapest way to Improve your times (suspension is next). Michelin, continental and Bridgestone were common, also brands like Falken and Hankook. I used and still use Yokohama Advan Neova AD08R.
@@doctorscoot As a trackday driver, I can totally agree with you. Even on a motorbike I hatet the Pirelli because it was so hard to turn the bike into a corner.
I think this is quite common. Specialist brands tend to suit specialist uses. Weirdly the specialist brands in cycling like challenge, Velo flex, and Tufo just don’t do it for me. They are too difficult to fit, very expensive, and aside from being just a few grams lighter they don’t seem to offer any benefit. The big brands have really taken over in cycling.
@@Mapdec interesting. If I was a track or crit rider, maybe I could see some point to specialised tyres on a bike. I use Vittoria for the most part. I am considering the P-Zeros to replace my the set of Vittoria that came on my new BMC, even though there’s no way I’d use Pirelli on my car! :-0 Car tyres are so much different in construction, and have to deal with way higher temperatures, I know GCN have some videos on this, and maybe the compounds can be similar, but given bike tyres use cotton or nylon in their construction, as opposed to steel wire, those compounds operate at far lower temperatures, so the idea that Pirelli use ‘f1’ tech in their bike tyres in the way that the GCN video claimed seemed a bit far fetched. But they do seem to be rated highly and perform well on the rolling resistance site.
I mounted a pair of GP5000 AS TRs on my do everything bike, and for the monthish I've ridden them, haven't had any problems thus far. And they saved me over 30s on my local 5mi bike messenger time trial. Granted, I was using Gatorskins before so.... What I really want is a top-tier road tire in 40mm for a pure commuter build. The AS TRs come in 35, but imo the ideal commuter tire size (unless you're shorter than 5'6") is 700c x 40mm
@@fleurdelispens over the Winter I had a custom 50mm aero gravel wheelset with Chris King hubs built for me - the idea being a bulletproof daily training wheel and tire set I could abuse. I mounted GP 5000 AS TR in 700x35 tubeless. And I am *very* impressed and pleased with the performance
@@petersouthernboy6327 nice! And I can see that swarm of angry bees being useful in alerting pedestrians to your presence! I run 35 in the back and 32 in front
@petersouthernboy6327 nope. I run 19mm deep Hunt 4 Season Gravel wheels that I got used for $300. I'm a journalist, therefore my one and only bike is the frame of a cheap Raleigh hybrid that I've rebuilt into a drop-bar all-road. Have an ltwoo group on the way to convert it from a 3x8 Claris groupset to a 2x11
Hutchinson challenger on the winter rod and p-zero for speed on the good bike. The difference is night and day. The hutchinsons are built for endurance and durability, which is what i want them for tbf and the p-zero are just so much faster but they do wear quick imo
been running a 10-36 sram cassette with the 48/35 for some time and have a spare 46/33 chainring for the big climbs, but doign the toughest 100 sportive a couple of weeks back, on the usual set up was ok, perhaps could have switched but that 36 certainly helps, and means you're not always in the lowest gear. WTB exposures still my go to tire. reliable, a little less feel, but secure and fast enough on balance. will keep an eye on your thought about the BB for when i need to replace the current one.
At 67, confidence in my tires is everything. I put on some Cont. 5000 2 years ago and never liked them. Bought on amazon I wondered if I'd gotten a knockoff. I went to a Cont. all season (bought on line bike shop) as fall approached, they were a big improvement confidence wise. On my new bike there are Hutchinson fusion 5 tires, and I like them a lot. I'll keep the all seasons on my backup/winter bike and stay with the fusion 5 for now on the new bike.... My only other tire the last few years were Vitt.Corsa Next. Too many flats.
A small trick for those 3D printed saddle that catch in your shorts. Apply a slim layer of silicone oil with a cloth on it. It remove that sticky/grippy feel to it. I did that to mine and it seems to last a longtime as well.
Try Challenge Criterium RS, its 25-28-30mm wide, TR. -Insanly stable in straight, extremly comfortable, for me its much faster then anything even on a 60km short ride, rail like grip in dry. -Its awful to put on ur rim, even worse to take down, we had to cut one off, have to pump up every ride, it loses around 0.5-0.8 bar a day and according to brr, it is bad at wet, so i was always careful, in the rain, dry out the sealant really fast. I have a love hate relationship with them.
The GP5000’s also don’t tolerate attempts to lower tire pressure for comfort and handling. I’ve had two rears wear thru the sidewall at just above the bead seat. The rim corner has ideally wore thru it (a 1/4in blowout) I’m guessing from excess sidewall flex. This was a rear tubes run at 95psi, which was a number given by the Vittoria pressure guide as well as other guides based on all the questions asked in the guide. The front was run at 90psi, but that one exhibited excessive cracking in the tread along that edge sides where the contact patch is with the road. I’ve resorted to 95 and 100 now. I would not buy them again unless I can get the cheap on sale ($45) like I did before.
I am running my 32mm wide S TRs at 54/58 PSI and they are great. Yes after 2 seasons rear is getting the same asi pictured, but still pretty solid ride. Front better, but for excuse - i am 95-104Kg in weight, 0 flat for last 2 years and it has seen a lot of terrible surfaces
@@Mapdec That was accounted foe in the guide questions. They were modern carbon aeolus rims, pretty wide for a road rim, and they were rounded, not like a lot of alum rims that are almost knife edge. Oh, and I’ve run several other brand 25c tires at those pres with no issue.
Just so you know, ive run the 10-36 cassette with the 50-37 chainrings, and it wont rip off the mech, but it will take a chunk out of your carbon jockey wheel cage...... the chain pops out the bottom. Hard to notice actually, but you feel resistance and you hear a strange rattling..... i just loosened the lower pulley wheel and got it back in but it was good to know it didnt rip off.
Oh that reference was from when I fitted the groupset with the 10-30 cassette and estimated a chain length hoping to upgrade to the 10-36 without needing a new chain.
@Mapdec that's usually how I am with my bikes too. I have all the 10-30, 10-33, and 10-36 cassettes of various levels, and plenty of chain length has kept me able to use all the cassettes with all the chainrings I have, even with 1x setups. I use that tension adjustment screw though when I switch to a different size.
Michelin - indeed good and fast but, based on this what I have noticed, the thread on those tend to crack and separate from the bead. I observed this on all three tires I have fitted on my bike.
The other thing about a big range cassette like 36t is chain line - I find for casual riding I can sit in big ring at a slow-ish pace with 3 or 4 cogs to spare at the back.
I bought some Bontrager R2s and they were awful to get on my wheels. When I finally got them on (after 3 destroyed tyre levers) it pinched one of the inner tubes. The only way to get it off again was with a saw. I went and bought a Conti Grand Prix which was a doddle to get on.
I've worn 3 pairs in like 5000-6000km each (2 previous gen, 1 current), they also were also cracking on the sides if I put some pressure with a finger. Sadly, because they were my favorite tires with plenty of grip and next to zero tubeless sealing issues (I used CaffaLatex at about 5,5-6bar).
Interesting to hear your thoughts on these tyres Paul, what are your thoughts on tyre life, I see a lot of people talk about tyres lasting X amount of miles or years, but of course it all depends on the type of riding. I prefer to change my tyres each year at the latest as I’ve had tyres noticeably lose grip as they wear and age. My preferred tyre is the Corsa NEXT, I’ve been on Vittorias for about 7 years now and seem to get good life, good balance of dry / wet grip and very few punctures. They usually work out to about £50 each which I think is a fair price for the performance.
I try to spend not more than 40€/tyre. I used Schwalbe pro one tlr a lot, These tyres are riding very good in dry and wet conditions but 5 tyres 30mm wide were Like 295, 305, 335, 335 and 355g Schwalbe says 305g and i lost trust in the build quality, i had 2 rear tyres witch were loosing bigger parts of compount Out of the middle of the tyre and i had a Front tyre which had Bubbles on the sidewall. I contaced Schwalbe but we didn`t find a solution there. Now i use vittoria Corsa next, the weight difference between the tlr 30mm tyres was 10-15g and the 2 28mm Tubetype were 222g and 221g. The tyres are riding good to and i Like the Sound 😅
I loved riding Continentals and had no issues with wear, BUT I hate them because they are so hard to get on and off the rims. Converted to Pirelli and Hutchinson a few years ago and haven’t looked back.
I Ride Michelin Power Cup clincher tires in 25mm. After a few rides they grew from 26mm to 28mm meisured width. Exactly what i was going for, as 28mm is the widest tire my rim Brake Bike fits. 28mm gp5000 would have been too big and 25mm too small. I find the Michelin to be equally as fast as the conti but with more confidents in fast corners. They feel more "round" to me. Anyway.. with more confidents and higher cornering speeds i lost the rear tire 2times already (no Crash), both times at slippery dusty asphalt. I have no experience in the wet as i use my other Bike(disc Brake) with gp5000 but i could Imagine the gp5000 is better in slippery conditions. Sorry for bad english.
Looking forward to when michy update there tyers for wider rims. They were out of date when they hit the shelves. 25s coming up as 28s on 19c rims and have a very narrow contact patch. But they felt better than the conties and felt faster still have Pr’s with these tyers that I haven’t bettered yet
No shame in a small bottom gear, I'm over in Yorkshire and use a GRX 46:30 with an XT 11:40. That bottom gear just makes the steep ramps in the Dales and Moores more fun, and long days hurt less.
They soften nicely after few hundreds km. It took me 1h to first fit them and left blisters on my thumbs, but now I can almost change a flat tool free on the roadside.
I am absolutely sold on the idea of continental 111 aero tire, however, I am a serial victim of cycling marketing and don't know what is a legitimate performance improvement and what's a snake oil, anymore :D
I just switched from worn P zero race (tube) to new Schwalbe Pro One (also tube) and difference between worn and new is huge. But you don't feel that until you put new tires on. I can't really remember how did P zero felt when it was new. Because of that your info has value. I don't switch out new tires
Continental GP 4 Seasons, haven't used anything else for years and years. No idea if I'm missing anything or not compared to anything else, but they're resistant to punc... to unscheduled loss of contained gas.
GP 4s for me too, similarly been using them for years. I'm not racing but I do ride in all weather throuout the year and they have always kept me right side up!
I'm a conti GP5000 stan as I'm a TT guy, I've been running then for years on multiple rims which i think makes the difference in how easy or not They're able to be taken on and off. On my old wheels i could get them off and on with one hand but on my current rims they're very stiff so I'm tubeless now.
@@Mapdec no but as a RB TT guy I have to ride day to day for commuting, training and the TT so I just find them as a great all rounder. Maybe when I get a TT rig then I may consider a different brand. Love the videos and the pod
Always happy to see your reviews! I'm now 2nd year on Bontrager R3 and they are really good. I had only one puncture so far(surprisingly), because roads in Northampton are messy. You can see many cuts and little holes on the tires, but still holding well. Only downside is winter wet driving. On the dirty winter roads the grip is less confident, but not catastrophic. Do you think you would have time to check new HUTCHINSON BLACKBIRD? They appear to be good on paper. Just wondering how they are in a real life and your quality inspection😇 Have many many good kilometres!
I've lightly used two gp5000 AS and both have had big punctures. Perhaps unlucky and glass a factor but the last one was not a particularly sharp piece. If I am honest it's that they are full of knicks across the tyre.
I live in Italy and use Pirelli P Zero Road and Race tyres. Race on a road bike 28mm Road 32 mm on a gravel bike. Both with latex tubes. No issues at all, in saying that what is rain? Have Vittoria Corsa on another wheels. They feel slow and sluggish in comparison. Just my take. PS - not a Conti or Schwalbe fan
Hi, i watch your content quite a bit, thank you; just as a suggestion, would you maybe make a vid to explain to dummies like myself how to put on a new tyre, how to put in the sealant etc. i have these cadex 50 ultras, have frequent punctures on the rubbish roads of Brisbane; removed 5000 str s this morning, then installed the cup tr competitions, literally scraped the hell out of their sidewall trying to force them in. Their sidewall literally peeled off in the process and even some fibers came off (5000 str s are not easier to install but they seem to be more durable in this sense). Then, gotta pour the sealant but the left and right beads of the tyre are clinced together in the middle of the ‘U’, so that’s another battle. Both of these tires are approved for my wheels but putting them on are just crazy hard. Not sure why. Is there an equipment that workshops use to make this job easier?
Hey. Thanks for watching. We don’t really get into the how to vids. There are thousands of them out there. Sounds like you have a very narrow rim with a shallow drop channel. I would inflate these without sealant first and get them seated. Then inject sealant through the valve.
Curious to see how the saddle works out longer term. I was looking for some guidance on bike computers but didn't see anything on your channel. I'd love to see something on Wahoo vs. Garmin if you think it's something more viewers would be interested in . I had an 840 but returned it. The current Wahoos seem to have been around for a while, any idea if the Roam is due for an update any time soon?
This happened to me 3 weeks ago on my pzero race 4s. Only had 500miles on them and got a side slash on the side by a sharp rock. Currently on pirelli cinturato velo to see if they're better durability wise. The only thing I like about the pzero race is how soft they are to ride. The problem is they pick up every debris I run over...so many little nicks in less than 500miles
@@meneldil7604 these were made in Italy. They're the newer pzero race 4s. I've never seen so many nicks in 1month of riding. The compound was so soft it had more nicks than my previous gp5000 of 2k miles.
Assuming you have already had a basic bike fit, the next step is to develop hip mobility and strengthen your core to maintain a good riding position. You get numb hands because you are resting your body weight on them. You can be sold lots of useless stuff like padded gel gloves and handlebar inserts, but really it’s all about fit and posture.
Saddles... Interesting what you say about chafing on the 3D saddle. I bought one of the Brooks rubber (not leather) saddles and it ruined a pair of bib shorts - a 'sharp' edge on either side of the moulding. Is it the same with the 3D saddles? Also - i like to slide backwards/forwards on the saddle according to whether I'm efforting, on the drops etc. Can you slide on these 3D ones? Rgds
Mostly all the glueing and bodges to escape a long walk home. Actually is probabaly all the removing glue I hate more. Oh, and all the science says tubeless is faster. 🤷♂️
have been running Pirelli Cinturato TLR's for years, never going back to Scwalbe or Conti's.... puncture resistance and general rolling is just perfect
What i would like to know how good is the puncture resistance of these tires? I know this is very hard to test in real day to day situations, because sometimes you are lucky and sometimes unlucky. I'm a big fan of the conti gp 5000 tlr, and i run them tubeles. They are very grippy and give me a heap of confidence. The only thing i'm wondering is: does tubeles work on 30mm tires? I run low pressure: front 2.8 and back 3.0 bar. But will the sealant do it's work when i puncture, or will the sealant just spray all over me and the bike?
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the 34mm Goodyear F1 you fitted for me at the end of last year are brilliant - tubeless, they hold their pressure well and are just so comfortable to ride on all surfaces. After 40 years riding 23-25mm tyres at 90 - 100 psi I still can't believe how 34mm and 50psi can be faster and more comfortable but it is
Nice. Thanks for trusting us.
I love Shcwalbe Pro One tubeless. They always inspire me with confidence on the bike. Fast and grippy round corners. Plus such a smooth ride. Really noticed the difference switching from Continental GP 5000s.
@@savvaseleftheriades7291 Schwalbe .
I switched from the original P Zero clincher to GP5000 a few years ago when Pirelli prices shot up.
I hammer my tyres around the West Mids but the GP5000 have been great, up to 8,000 miles on a front, never punctured one and not noticed any drop off in performance. Splitting hairs between the two brands but I'll probably continue with Conti for the durability.
From personal experience, the Continental Grand Sport Race provide the best performance and bang for buck. Have had Pirelli, GP5000 and IMHO the Grand Sport Race are the best out there. Excellent in terms of durability (puncture and wear resistance are top notch), great grip in dry and wet, quite comfy, rolling resistance is not that bad and feel OK. Only drawback is that they are not tubeless compatible and the weight, however with a set of RideNow TPU tubes and after a year of use, no issues whatsoever. And in terms of pricing they are an absolute bang!
+1 on the Conti Grand Sport Race. Excellent value and performance for a clincher. Have used these for years on my non tubeless bike.
Fun fact about the Grand Sports is that they use the same compound as Ultra Sports III which are super cheap and definitely my favourite road tire. For race day I would use Michelin Lithion pro 4, but 99% of my kilometers (apparently I'm not from the Islands) are done on the Conti Ultra Sports.
Also TPU tube fan here - IMO better than tubeless and butyl/latex tubes.
@@GregTheGuitarist I use the ultra sports with TPU's , the combination is very high performing and they make a strange spaceship hum at speed I love it.
Well, if you don’t live in England, take your new tires out of the packaging, unfold them, and lay them outside in the bright sunshine for a few hours before you mount them.
In the UK...put them in the airing cupboard for a bit
Yes exactly what I do..
What's an airing cupboard 🤔
@@EK1H It's a space for drying clothes... often it contains your hotwater tank so its nice and warm....
Best tire review! Honest and open. Pirelli zero are so solid as a less expensive option. Conti problems are very real. I've had a few and had issues eventually every time. Currently running Vittoria rubino pro control for city riding, and I'm generally pleased. Not much rain, so no opinion on the wet performance. Bravo Paul!
Cheers. 🤗
running rubino pros as well - perfect training tyre imo
@@MapdecThere is no way you could stock all tyre brands as there are about fifty of them that I have seen or used / recommended over 30 years .
@@robertmcfadyen9156 correct. We have to choose what we believe suits our clients the best. We keep stock of Michelin, Pirelli, Conti, Vittoria and Goodyear. We can easily order in almost everything else except maybe Rene Herse and rebrands from giant, botrager and Spech for example.
@@Mapdec To have the many brands would mean across a shop 250 plus trade accounts in all product categories . I have 160 to worry about .
Been watching for about two years and I seriously want to move to your area and work in your shop for my twilight years before retirement. 😅 it just looks like such an amazing shop to work! 👍
Thank you.
Back in 23mm days I used to love the Michelin Pro something 2 then 3...
Of all tyres manufacturers I’ve used over 30 years of road cycling I’ve found Schwalbe to be the most consistent and comfortable. Pro Ones are excellent and can be found for well below RRP (mostly Merlin Cycles). The tubeless are excellent for comfort and grip. I did like Veloflex with latex tubes but found them very fragile and didn’t last long. I’m running Pro One 25mm with Tpu at the mo excellent grip and comfort.
Love these vids with Paul giving us a great selection of tool and repair options and guidance. The ebike with the Bosch motor replacement was so useful.
Glad you like them!
schwalbe marathon racer 40mm here for me its the perfect balanced tire for much grip in wet on asphalt
as dry conditions and rolling riscistance is also like non existing love that tire👍👍
Great real time testing. Seeing you in the work shop and then testing on the road is definitely the way to review products and showcase ideas. Like it a lot👍. I note with interest the saddle you were riding! One that I am very interested in trying but at the price I can’t afford to make a mistake. “No shop or on line seller will let you try before you buy” so I am trusting your judgment, as I did with my FF RYOT44s, just love’m. So fingers crossed I’ll have many comfortable hours in the saddle. I’ll give the Pirelli’s a go when my trusty 5000s are finished 😬. Stay safe you all. Cheers.
I would say that type of saddle only really suits lean ish people. A bit of extra fat and I think it will be quite uncomfortable. I think Selle italia have a money back guarantee. Maybe check their website.
We recently bought some Specialised SWorks Turbos. They’re tubeless with tan walls (28mm). Cost just £30 each. After 3 months’ riding they have been great. Also my wife can get them on and off her wheels. Unlike certain other brands!
Shhhh! The power cups are my goto because they have that elusive, almost unattainable these days, combination of quality and value for money(a.k.a. 'a Fifer's dream'). Now, everyone will be buying them!
Power Cup Competitions for the win!!! Tremendous value for money and similar performance to the Contis GP5000. Got a pair of the Classic Look ones for less than $80USD and matched with latex tubes are heaven!!!
Tyres: Vittoria Corsa Pro Control (the latest version, not the G2) - Fantastic, supple tyres which remind me of a mix of the old Open Pave and the quality/feel of tubs. With our dreadful roads in the UK, I wouldn't consider anything but fast all season tyres.
3D printed saddles: I had a nightmare with a very expensive lightweight 3D printed saddle (which will remain nameless...) at the start of this year. It totally crucified me in 6 rides despite very careful fit and set up. I've gone back to my preferred Pro Stealth Performance. Jury still out on 3D printed saddles...
Specialized Power? Had a really bad experience with the regular version, the transition from the cutout to the top felt incredibly sharp.
@@Antoine_Frs No, it's a Bjorn saddle. Just doesn't work for me.
Tyre wise, I do like Pirelli. I use the more robust Cinturatu to help with less punctures and these set up tubeless work very well for me. Grip is very good and decent wear rate to. My avoid all costs are Schwalbe as I have never been able to set a pair of these up tubeless.
Hi Paul. I’m the mechanic that rang you earlier today. The issue was the seal. The customer had stripped his freehub on a new bike to remove the grease in order to achieve a louder click, I don’t lnow either. He’d lost his seal and replaced it with one from a freehub that ostensibly fit but pressed down on the bearing. He coughed it after about two hours of f%~¥+!\ around. I got and original part and it all worked .well, red grease re-installed too. What a pain in the arse that was. Thanks ever so much for your help earlier. Much obliged.,
Customers 🙄
Pirelli P-Zero Race TLR 30C for me. Have done 200 miles of road, country cycle paths, etc.
Wear is good, but speed and comfort is fantastic - at 75 PSI, they provide a nice supple ride quality and so far, so punctures.
200 miles is hardly a reliable test for durability.
I’m a fan of Pirelli p zero race and cintaurato brilliant have Pirelli clinchers on all my bikes. I can generally do them without tyre lever tool but they are clinchers.. I do like the Goodyear as well though and they are very effective 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
Have been running Pzero TLRs for a few years and love them. Just trying the RC, as you say they are harder to fit but feel really smooth and fast on the road. No issues so far in an Aussie winter
I’ve used 28mm Pirelli P-Race Zero TLR 4S (Speedcore) on DT Swiss RR421 db rims (SILCA sealant) since Jan, never had a flat, easy to install, great grip, probably done about 1,500 miles on them on UK roads. Really confident inspiring and so far good wear in all conditions. Also have FFWD Ryot wheels, I have the Race version of the P-Zero. No issues, after 500 miles. Same set up, would happily buy again.
Been running GP5000 tubeless all year around for five years with zero issues. I won’t personally use anything else.
Hey Paul, mounted the Pirelli 30’s I got from you last week on my partners bike, replacing Conti 5000 both tubeless. The Pirelli’s were a bit of a nightmare to get onto a Zipp Firecrest rim tbh. fingers crossed they’re ok to get off if I ever need to whack a tube in roadside. However she loved the improved comfort and ride quality, it’s a bit sketchy riding in Northumberland these days as a result of deteriorating roads and potholes. See how they last. Thanks for another great vid 👍
Nice. Mine were a tough fit first time. Not quite a thumbs only job.
Refreshing take on lots of topics, glad I came across your channel.
Needed tires during the nonsense virus period. Had GP5000 28’s. The new version was coming out and couldn’t find them. Switched to P-Zero. Really liked them. Ordered some wheels and got a good deal on deals, so Pro Ones 30’s. Like them the best. Easy to install, got set with just a regular pump. The Goodyears were on the list.
I've used a lot of different brands, I started with Vredestein and when they stopped making the tyres I had at the time I tried a set of Continental GP4000's. I noticed my cornering was a lot worse on those so I went looking for grip tests which made me buy a set of Michelin Pro4. I absolutely loved those, the grip - especially in the wet - was amazing and I kept riding those until the Power-series arrived. I ruined my first set of those on my first ride because they where limited to 7bar and I was used to riding on 8, so I had some blowouts.
So after that set I switched to Schwalbe, which I didn't like (but I do love them on my gravelbike), and Vittoria which I also didn't fancy. So I went back to Michelin and lowered the pressure and have been on them since. Love the grip and speed and the only change I made was switching to TPU inners.
The power cup do like low pressures. I run mine in the low 60s
@@Mapdec I know, and I run my wider tyres on lower pressures. On my road and TT bikes I'm running 25mm ones and with my weight they should be set a little higher. And I don't run them below 70 because if I do that Michelin will get angry ;-) .
I did consider Schwalbe Pro One, or even go back to Conti GP 5000.. But then I came about the Pirelli P Zero. Haven’t tested it yet but i’m hoping it performs well.
Love the 'Wout' hair!
I just installed a set of Pirelli P Zero race TLR's in 35c coming from Continental Grand Prix 5000 S TR 32c's and I agree, to heck with a couple of grams here and half a watt there; confidence is everything, and wow do these ever feel great, bike feels stable as a motorcycle. Going up in size to this extent, maybe my acceleration feels a bit less explosive but other than that they don't feel slower at all, in fact since I'm spending less time worrying about bunny hopping potholes and cracks, and I feel so much more confident in corners and descents, this makes them a performance upgrade for me. (At 90-95kg, 25c-28's just don't work for me on the roads here.)
Nice. 👍
I agree about Conti. Had lots of bad experiences with them. My current favourite for last few years is the S Works Turbo. Rides well, and last really long time.
The Power Cup is a Nogo on morder rRims. Try out the Tufo Comtura Prima. Light, fast, super grippy and wide. Only downside, it wears out quickly.
My choice for road and fine gravel (because I only have one bike!) is Conti Gatorskins with Vittoria latex tubes. It is true they require more frequent inflation, but they give me a good balance of reliability, performance and comfort. For climbs I have another wheelset with Conti 5000's. Both are 28mm. I like the 5000's for grip and performance, but the sidewall is very fragile, so I use them only on good roads.
Being running specialized Turbo Cottons with TPU tubes. In my opinion very quick . Road them for a week in the Italian Apes and descended the Stellvio in torrential rain and no issues, Normally ride around Essex lanes and had 1 puncture in 6 weeks, Normally £65 per tyre but can pick up for £35 if shop around right time of year. Very easy to put on and take off as soft tyre. Probably as soft tyre one season tyre and then need swapping out but if pick up half price very good in my opinion.
We started selling some more Michelin tires in the shop i worked in. Definitely rate them, ran a set on my gravel bike and have no complaints.
GP5000 I think the “cracking” you indicated is their “laser etching”. That rough appearance is there from new, but not on the lower grade “Grand Prix” which uses the same Black Chilli compound but wears with a “smooth” look. If I’m correct, I think it acts like tiny sipes. I’ve found the GP5000 version to grip slightly better in the wet and there’s not much price difference locally anymore.
Yup,the best tyre so far,loving it ❤
Bling to the max for Paul here!
It’s a little embarrassing
@@MapdecMitas are definitely good value for money based on my survey .
If anyone blinging their bike @@Mapdec, you're the obvious choice.
Found the P-Zero RS a bit difficult to fit the first time, much easier once removed and reinstalled. Loved the grip of the RS, but for everyday still ride the P-Zero Race with latex tubes. Good performance, comfortable ride, and save a few $
@mapdeccycleworks interesting vid. For me, if I was riding on continental roads, a Challenge Strada or a Vitoria Corsa 700x28 would be a go to tyre. Just because they are supple, fast rolling and the tan wall options look cool. Riding in the Lakes or pretty much anywhere in the UK however, the surfaces just require something a bit more punchy and protective. Recently been riding a Panaracer Gravel King on my winter bike, which I thought might be overkill, but actually is the perfect antidote to #potholed #Britain.
Constant punctures with the GP 5000S TR. Swapped to Michelin Power Cups and never been happier.
32mm Continental GP5000 S TR on 22mm aluminium DT Swiss rims, front 4.7bar, rear 4.8bar, tubeless with Effeto Mariposa Caffelatex sealant. Total weight of 115Kg. Just clocking 2100Km, no discernable punctures, and still really like the tyres.
You're very right on your choices. My experience is only with Michelins and Contis. Haven't used P-Zero nor GY F1-s. Was leaning toward F1s last years, but picked Michelin-s off the shelve. Great tires, wear evenly, no flat edge, no fiber strings on the sides (so far).
I had the 11-34 cassette (that comes standard with 105 Di2 groupset) swapped for an 11-36 when I bought my bike, only having to pay the difference in price between the two cassettes, so very affordable. Living in a quite hilly part of Wales I love having the extra two teeth for those long climbs that can otherwise be a bit of a nightmare and particularly if there is a 30mph headwind and driving rain, and you just feel like crying 😂
Sounds familiar 😂
I find the GP5000 S TR to be great summer tires. I haven't had that degradation issue you did. I do ride in a very humid area. What I don't like about these is they have horrible wet grip.
I would have tried GP5000 AS but I can't really buy them where I live and they are expensive.
Ultra Sport clinchers are great for the money. Better wet grip and puncture res than GP5k
Grand Sports I tried once and though they were crap. Much better to use the Ultra Sport
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If I might ride wet climbs I like using the Vittoria Corsa N.ext tires. They're sort of an all season tire. Great grip. Better puncture/cut resistance. I would have tried a GP5000 AS but they aren't really available where I live. And the N.ext are cheaper.
For tube tires the N.ext seem quite great. They're really light. I just bought two 28c tires. one is 210 grams and one 220 grams.
Brought Goodyear Eagle Sport 28mm for 23€ so far so good, very good tire.
Best RUclips channel ever.
I’m satisfied with my Pirelli Cinturato Velo 35 mm for training and long distance event and Tufo Comtura 28 mm for faster race events.
Nice. And thank you 🙏
Cinturato Velo 28 + 32mm, used at least in 3 winters, zero puncture (knock wood). Tad bit slower, but I hate to fix a puncture when it's freezing cold out there.
@@SonnyDarvish If they are 1km/h slower for 95% of the riders is not any problem.
People has got crazy about speed and rolling resistant tests who is made for those riders with 40km/h average on 150 km rides
@@SonnyDarvish I use my Pirelli Conturato 35mm on DT Swiss CRC 1400 wheels and I can ride 150 km with 30km/h with these tires, no one in my age group has beat me yet, I’m 57 years
I switched from the pirelli pzero race 4s thinking it was durable enough...I got a side slash at 500miles. Replaced them with cinturato velo 32c and I love it! I was thinking of getting tye 35c next time. It's definitely slower that gp5000 or pzero race but at least it's confidence inspiring knowing it's not gonna puncture as easy as most other tires.
The interesting thing I find about P Zeros is that when I was motor racing sports cars, nobody used them, everyone only had bad things to say about them. The only people who ran Pirelli were the doctors and lawyers with their supercars that came with them.
Car guys who do track can and will talk for hours and hours about tyres and compounds. Other than driver upgrades, it’s the easiest and cheapest way to Improve your times (suspension is next).
Michelin, continental and Bridgestone were common, also brands like Falken and Hankook. I used and still use Yokohama Advan Neova AD08R.
@@doctorscoot As a trackday driver, I can totally agree with you. Even on a motorbike I hatet the Pirelli because it was so hard to turn the bike into a corner.
I think this is quite common. Specialist brands tend to suit specialist uses. Weirdly the specialist brands in cycling like challenge, Velo flex, and Tufo just don’t do it for me. They are too difficult to fit, very expensive, and aside from being just a few grams lighter they don’t seem to offer any benefit. The big brands have really taken over in cycling.
@@Mapdec interesting. If I was a track or crit rider, maybe I could see some point to specialised tyres on a bike. I use Vittoria for the most part. I am considering the P-Zeros to replace my the set of Vittoria that came on my new BMC, even though there’s no way I’d use Pirelli on my car! :-0 Car tyres are so much different in construction, and have to deal with way higher temperatures, I know GCN have some videos on this, and maybe the compounds can be similar, but given bike tyres use cotton or nylon in their construction, as opposed to steel wire, those compounds operate at far lower temperatures, so the idea that Pirelli use ‘f1’ tech in their bike tyres in the way that the GCN video claimed seemed a bit far fetched. But they do seem to be rated highly and perform well on the rolling resistance site.
I mounted a pair of GP5000 AS TRs on my do everything bike, and for the monthish I've ridden them, haven't had any problems thus far. And they saved me over 30s on my local 5mi bike messenger time trial. Granted, I was using Gatorskins before so.... What I really want is a top-tier road tire in 40mm for a pure commuter build. The AS TRs come in 35, but imo the ideal commuter tire size (unless you're shorter than 5'6") is 700c x 40mm
The way things are going it might not be long before we see 40c tyres in the peloton.
@@fleurdelispens over the Winter I had a custom 50mm aero gravel wheelset with Chris King hubs built for me - the idea being a bulletproof daily training wheel and tire set I could abuse. I mounted GP 5000 AS TR in 700x35 tubeless. And I am *very* impressed and pleased with the performance
@@petersouthernboy6327 nice! And I can see that swarm of angry bees being useful in alerting pedestrians to your presence! I run 35 in the back and 32 in front
@@fleurdelispens that sounds like an awesome combination. I like it 👍 Especially if you had deeper rims in the back 😏
@petersouthernboy6327 nope. I run 19mm deep Hunt 4 Season Gravel wheels that I got used for $300. I'm a journalist, therefore my one and only bike is the frame of a cheap Raleigh hybrid that I've rebuilt into a drop-bar all-road. Have an ltwoo group on the way to convert it from a 3x8 Claris groupset to a 2x11
Hutchinson challenger on the winter rod and p-zero for speed on the good bike. The difference is night and day. The hutchinsons are built for endurance and durability, which is what i want them for tbf and the p-zero are just so much faster but they do wear quick imo
Sorry still on tubular tyres love them
Rim brakes too, no doubt
They're the finest...so long as you get them revulcanized by an experienced artisan every 12 years
been running a 10-36 sram cassette with the 48/35 for some time and have a spare 46/33 chainring for the big climbs, but doign the toughest 100 sportive a couple of weeks back, on the usual set up was ok, perhaps could have switched but that 36 certainly helps, and means you're not always in the lowest gear. WTB exposures still my go to tire. reliable, a little less feel, but secure and fast enough on balance. will keep an eye on your thought about the BB for when i need to replace the current one.
At 67, confidence in my tires is everything. I put on some Cont. 5000 2 years ago and never liked them. Bought on amazon I wondered if I'd gotten a knockoff. I went to a Cont. all season (bought on line bike shop) as fall approached, they were a big improvement confidence wise. On my new bike there are Hutchinson fusion 5 tires, and I like them a lot. I'll keep the all seasons on my backup/winter bike and stay with the fusion 5 for now on the new bike.... My only other tire the last few years were Vitt.Corsa Next. Too many flats.
Didn't have issues with the N.EXT but I've seen several that were worn through when skidded.
I picked up some panaracer gravelking sk 700x45, havent tried them yet but they look cool
A small trick for those 3D printed saddle that catch in your shorts. Apply a slim layer of silicone oil with a cloth on it. It remove that sticky/grippy feel to it. I did that to mine and it seems to last a longtime as well.
Oh. I have some silicone suspension oil. Might give that a try
Best tire (only talking clinchers here)
1) Michelin power cup
2) Pzero Race 4s
3) schwalbe Pro1 😊
Try Challenge Criterium RS, its 25-28-30mm wide, TR.
-Insanly stable in straight, extremly comfortable, for me its much faster then anything even on a 60km short ride, rail like grip in dry.
-Its awful to put on ur rim, even worse to take down, we had to cut one off, have to pump up every ride, it loses around 0.5-0.8 bar a day and according to brr, it is bad at wet, so i was always careful, in the rain, dry out the sealant really fast.
I have a love hate relationship with them.
I think that’s a good summary. Good for your local midweek crit. Impossible to live with.
Vittoria 🥇
The GP5000’s also don’t tolerate attempts to lower tire pressure for comfort and handling. I’ve had two rears wear thru the sidewall at just above the bead seat. The rim corner has ideally wore thru it (a 1/4in blowout) I’m guessing from excess sidewall flex. This was a rear tubes run at 95psi, which was a number given by the Vittoria pressure guide as well as other guides based on all the questions asked in the guide. The front was run at 90psi, but that one exhibited excessive cracking in the tread along that edge sides where the contact patch is with the road. I’ve resorted to 95 and 100 now. I would not buy them again unless I can get the cheap on sale ($45) like I did before.
I am running my 32mm wide S TRs at 54/58 PSI and they are great. Yes after 2 seasons rear is getting the same asi pictured, but still pretty solid ride. Front better, but for excuse - i am 95-104Kg in weight, 0 flat for last 2 years and it has seen a lot of terrible surfaces
This will depend on the width of your rims
@@Mapdec yes, I got them on GRC1400 with 24ID
@@Mapdec That was accounted foe in the guide questions. They were modern carbon aeolus rims, pretty wide for a road rim, and they were rounded, not like a lot of alum rims that are almost knife edge. Oh, and I’ve run several other brand 25c tires at those pres with no issue.
Just so you know, ive run the 10-36 cassette with the 50-37 chainrings, and it wont rip off the mech, but it will take a chunk out of your carbon jockey wheel cage...... the chain pops out the bottom. Hard to notice actually, but you feel resistance and you hear a strange rattling..... i just loosened the lower pulley wheel and got it back in but it was good to know it didnt rip off.
Oh that reference was from when I fitted the groupset with the 10-30 cassette and estimated a chain length hoping to upgrade to the 10-36 without needing a new chain.
@Mapdec that's usually how I am with my bikes too. I have all the 10-30, 10-33, and 10-36 cassettes of various levels, and plenty of chain length has kept me able to use all the cassettes with all the chainrings I have, even with 1x setups. I use that tension adjustment screw though when I switch to a different size.
Michelin - indeed good and fast but, based on this what I have noticed, the thread on those tend to crack and separate from the bead. I observed this on all three tires I have fitted on my bike.
The other thing about a big range cassette like 36t is chain line - I find for casual riding I can sit in big ring at a slow-ish pace with 3 or 4 cogs to spare at the back.
I bought some Bontrager R2s and they were awful to get on my wheels. When I finally got them on (after 3 destroyed tyre levers) it pinched one of the inner tubes. The only way to get it off again was with a saw. I went and bought a Conti Grand Prix which was a doddle to get on.
Schwalbe Pro One 700-30 3000 miles holding up well with orange seal endurance
I've worn 3 pairs in like 5000-6000km each (2 previous gen, 1 current), they also were also cracking on the sides if I put some pressure with a finger. Sadly, because they were my favorite tires with plenty of grip and next to zero tubeless sealing issues (I used CaffaLatex at about 5,5-6bar).
Interesting to hear your thoughts on these tyres Paul, what are your thoughts on tyre life, I see a lot of people talk about tyres lasting X amount of miles or years, but of course it all depends on the type of riding.
I prefer to change my tyres each year at the latest as I’ve had tyres noticeably lose grip as they wear and age.
My preferred tyre is the Corsa NEXT, I’ve been on Vittorias for about 7 years now and seem to get good life, good balance of dry / wet grip and very few punctures. They usually work out to about £50 each which I think is a fair price for the performance.
Vittoria corsa pro control are amazing for UK riding
I try to spend not more than 40€/tyre. I used Schwalbe pro one tlr a lot, These tyres are riding very good in dry and wet conditions but 5 tyres 30mm wide were Like 295, 305, 335, 335 and 355g Schwalbe says 305g and i lost trust in the build quality, i had 2 rear tyres witch were loosing bigger parts of compount Out of the middle of the tyre and i had a Front tyre which had Bubbles on the sidewall. I contaced Schwalbe but we didn`t find a solution there. Now i use vittoria Corsa next, the weight difference between the tlr 30mm tyres was 10-15g and the 2 28mm Tubetype were 222g and 221g. The tyres are riding good to and i Like the Sound 😅
I loved riding Continentals and had no issues with wear, BUT I hate them because they are so hard to get on and off the rims. Converted to Pirelli and Hutchinson a few years ago and haven’t looked back.
Hutch Fusion 5 or the new Hutch Blackbirds every day of the week. Super easy to set-up tubeless too! 👍
@mikerichardson5176 I run mine tubed now, but when they were tubeless they were a breeze with milKit sealant.
Still like my Vittoria Corsas, expensive and dont last that long - but they’ve never put me in the deck. Unlike the GP5000…
A cassette review, inside a BB review, inside a saddle review, inside a tyre review!
Was it too much ?
I Ride Michelin Power Cup clincher tires in 25mm. After a few rides they grew from 26mm to 28mm meisured width. Exactly what i was going for, as 28mm is the widest tire my rim Brake Bike fits. 28mm gp5000 would have been too big and 25mm too small. I find the Michelin to be equally as fast as the conti but with more confidents in fast corners. They feel more "round" to me. Anyway.. with more confidents and higher cornering speeds i lost the rear tire 2times already (no Crash), both times at slippery dusty asphalt. I have no experience in the wet as i use my other Bike(disc Brake) with gp5000 but i could Imagine the gp5000 is better in slippery conditions.
Sorry for bad english.
Looking forward to when michy update there tyers for wider rims. They were out of date when they hit the shelves. 25s coming up as 28s on 19c rims and have a very narrow contact patch. But they felt better than the conties and felt faster still have Pr’s with these tyers that I haven’t bettered yet
No shame in a small bottom gear, I'm over in Yorkshire and use a GRX 46:30 with an XT 11:40. That bottom gear just makes the steep ramps in the Dales and Moores more fun, and long days hurt less.
Yeah. I think even Jonas Vingegaard was running 10-36 on his R5 with double chainrings setup on this years Tour :), so if it works, it works :).
This makes me feel so much better. 🥰
Im still loving my PowerCup 😎🇫🇮
I’d use GP5000, for sure, if they weren’t so bloody tight. Rule one, for me, is being able to change a puncture easily.
They soften nicely after few hundreds km. It took me 1h to first fit them and left blisters on my thumbs, but now I can almost change a flat tool free on the roadside.
I ride P Zero Race TLR setup tubeless with biofibre sealant. No flats in 1000's miles. They just ride like silk.
I am absolutely sold on the idea of continental 111 aero tire, however, I am a serial victim of cycling marketing and don't know what is a legitimate performance improvement and what's a snake oil, anymore :D
We just got our first look at one of those. Interesting idea.
I just switched from worn P zero race (tube) to new Schwalbe Pro One (also tube) and difference between worn and new is huge. But you don't feel that until you put new tires on. I can't really remember how did P zero felt when it was new.
Because of that your info has value. I don't switch out new tires
Continental GP 4 Seasons, haven't used anything else for years and years. No idea if I'm missing anything or not compared to anything else, but they're resistant to punc... to unscheduled loss of contained gas.
Clever 🫣
GP 4s for me too, similarly been using them for years. I'm not racing but I do ride in all weather throuout the year and they have always kept me right side up!
Your channel is my favorite!
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Wow, thanks!🙏
I'm a conti GP5000 stan as I'm a TT guy, I've been running then for years on multiple rims which i think makes the difference in how easy or not They're able to be taken on and off. On my old wheels i could get them off and on with one hand but on my current rims they're very stiff so I'm tubeless now.
Have you tried the Michelin TT? Apparently the fastest tyre ever. Simon is running them and swears by them.
@@Mapdec no but as a RB TT guy I have to ride day to day for commuting, training and the TT so I just find them as a great all rounder. Maybe when I get a TT rig then I may consider a different brand. Love the videos and the pod
Always happy to see your reviews! I'm now 2nd year on Bontrager R3 and they are really good. I had only one puncture so far(surprisingly), because roads in Northampton are messy. You can see many cuts and little holes on the tires, but still holding well. Only downside is winter wet driving. On the dirty winter roads the grip is less confident, but not catastrophic.
Do you think you would have time to check new HUTCHINSON BLACKBIRD? They appear to be good on paper. Just wondering how they are in a real life and your quality inspection😇 Have many many good kilometres!
I’ll see what I can do.
If I remember correctly the rolling resistance website said something about GP5000's going off quite quickly.
I've lightly used two gp5000 AS and both have had big punctures. Perhaps unlucky and glass a factor but the last one was not a particularly sharp piece. If I am honest it's that they are full of knicks across the tyre.
I go for a compromise p zero in the back and pirelli in the front. on the ground when you line up the valves up its nice pirelli p zero
I live in Italy and use Pirelli P Zero Road and Race tyres. Race on a road bike 28mm Road 32 mm on a gravel bike. Both with latex tubes. No issues at all, in saying that what is rain? Have Vittoria Corsa on another wheels. They feel slow and sluggish in comparison. Just my take. PS - not a Conti or Schwalbe fan
Come visit. I’ll teach you rain. 🌧️ 😂
@@Mapdec Im originally from Cardiff so I know what rain is🙄
Hi, i watch your content quite a bit, thank you; just as a suggestion, would you maybe make a vid to explain to dummies like myself how to put on a new tyre, how to put in the sealant etc.
i have these cadex 50 ultras, have frequent punctures on the rubbish roads of Brisbane; removed 5000 str s this morning, then installed the cup tr competitions, literally scraped the hell out of their sidewall trying to force them in. Their sidewall literally peeled off in the process and even some fibers came off (5000 str s are not easier to install but they seem to be more durable in this sense). Then, gotta pour the sealant but the left and right beads of the tyre are clinced together in the middle of the ‘U’, so that’s another battle.
Both of these tires are approved for my wheels but putting them on are just crazy hard. Not sure why.
Is there an equipment that workshops use to make this job easier?
Hey. Thanks for watching. We don’t really get into the how to vids. There are thousands of them out there. Sounds like you have a very narrow rim with a shallow drop channel. I would inflate these without sealant first and get them seated. Then inject sealant through the valve.
HI, great content - where did you get the syringe with brush needle?
We sell them on our website.
Now you need to try René Herse tires !
Curious to see how the saddle works out longer term.
I was looking for some guidance on bike computers but didn't see anything on your channel. I'd love to see something on Wahoo vs. Garmin if you think it's something more viewers would be interested in . I had an 840 but returned it. The current Wahoos seem to have been around for a while, any idea if the Roam is due for an update any time soon?
I’ve been working on a Garmin vs Wahoo vs Karoo for ages. Keep tying myself in knots with it though.
Using vittoria corsa speed g2 this year, got one puncture so far.
One of the biggest issue with the Pirellis is the sidewall puncture failures here. Lots of slashed sidewalks from rocks and other road trash.
This happened to me 3 weeks ago on my pzero race 4s. Only had 500miles on them and got a side slash on the side by a sharp rock. Currently on pirelli cinturato velo to see if they're better durability wise. The only thing I like about the pzero race is how soft they are to ride. The problem is they pick up every debris I run over...so many little nicks in less than 500miles
i had 4 fail that way it 2 years i love the tyres but that puts me off i trying the new made in itay ones not had a problem yet
@@meneldil7604 these were made in Italy. They're the newer pzero race 4s. I've never seen so many nicks in 1month of riding. The compound was so soft it had more nicks than my previous gp5000 of 2k miles.
@@bonbonflippers4298 that is not encouraging
Can you do a video about hand comfort on drop bars . My hands get sore from riding on the hoods is there something I can change to make it better?
Assuming you have already had a basic bike fit, the next step is to develop hip mobility and strengthen your core to maintain a good riding position. You get numb hands because you are resting your body weight on them. You can be sold lots of useless stuff like padded gel gloves and handlebar inserts, but really it’s all about fit and posture.
Your description of the Michelin makes me want to try them. But do they come in tanwall? That’s very important. ;)
Yes. A proper light tan colour too.
Saddles... Interesting what you say about chafing on the 3D saddle. I bought one of the Brooks rubber (not leather) saddles and it ruined a pair of bib shorts - a 'sharp' edge on either side of the moulding.
Is it the same with the 3D saddles?
Also - i like to slide backwards/forwards on the saddle according to whether I'm efforting, on the drops etc. Can you slide on these 3D ones?
Rgds
Not really. They are quite grippy.
Do you have anything against tubular tires in general?
Mostly all the glueing and bodges to escape a long walk home. Actually is probabaly all the removing glue I hate more. Oh, and all the science says tubeless is faster. 🤷♂️
have been running Pirelli Cinturato TLR's for years, never going back to Scwalbe or Conti's.... puncture resistance and general rolling is just perfect
I think the crackle the gp5k gets is entirely cosmetic.
What i would like to know how good is the puncture resistance of these tires? I know this is very hard to test in real day to day situations, because sometimes you are lucky and sometimes unlucky. I'm a big fan of the conti gp 5000 tlr, and i run them tubeles. They are very grippy and give me a heap of confidence. The only thing i'm wondering is: does tubeles work on 30mm tires? I run low pressure: front 2.8 and back 3.0 bar. But will the sealant do it's work when i puncture, or will the sealant just spray all over me and the bike?
Of course. It’s better the wider the tyre and the lower the pressure. It works great in MTB and gravel
Do you also add Vitamin CL to tires larger than 30mm? I’d tend to think as pressure goes down, need for additional particles should also go down.
We switch to using Peatys for off road tyres.