As a French Canadian, the loss of Bombardier was considered a national embarrassment. What was once the crown jewel of Quebec engineering was rebranded as Airbus. To this day, we still harbor a lot of resentment towards Boeing for their actions. Today, the A220 is still being built in Mirabel. We are happy to see the C Series flying but saddened to no longer see the Bombardier logo when boarding the airplane.
Bombardier created a plane that neither Airbus or Boeing was willing to make: A plane without compromises. The CSeries/A220 had more than just unmatched efficiency. It was a powerful hot-rod with slippery heavy-lifting aerodynamics, stacked with so many special flight capabilities that airlines and pilots can only dream of. This is a fast-climbing short-field machine. If you like the 757, fly the A220 on a rainy day and see what a full-power takeoff feels like.
I really feel bad for Bombardier. They were really on to something but Boeing had to ruin it. They also made trains for my city's metro (Singapore Downtown Line) and their trains have been the most reliable model in the entire system thus far. They really had good engineering.
Communist business models always fail. Canadians have few lasting innovative companies that succeed globally; namely bloated-lazy workforces which can't succeed on tight budgets and promised delivery dates.
I flew on the A220 from Tallinn, Estonia to Paris, France in February this year, I felt that it was quite comfortable and being 192cm tall I felt that the leg room was adequate.
Love your work - I love the history and I love the fact you are Australian and I am getting a Aussie point of view. Keep it up and already looking forward to the next one.
Great summary of the story! I’m missing a key point though: after Airbus purchased the program, they moved part of the production to Mobile, Alabama in the US, and thus the A220 became a US-made plane with no tariffs on it for the US market, defeating the anti-competitive lobbying by Boeing
Long story short, Alitalia went into administration after a decline in patronage with said patrons moving to the new domestic and international high speed rail. Give or take
Simon was an enjoyable privilege to watch over here in wet windy Perth. Full on accurate vid have passed on to several other aviation people. Cheers and thanks
Interestingly, the A220-300 did find its niche: replace the Airbus A319 and possibly even the Boeing 737-700. That's why Airbus put in a lot of money to increase the A220 production rate.
Another motivation for the C-Series: Bombardier saw demand grow towards larger and larger regional jets, at first stretching the -200 to the 700 and then 900 and realized it should hit a limit both technical and also the scope clauses. It saw the large number of DC-9 acircraft (including MD8x) still operating in USA and Canada and saw an unfilled potential for their replacement with efficient modern aircraft. So it started to work on the C-Series concept in the late 1990s. Then 9-11 happened. This would cause a few years upheaval because unlike Boeing and Airbus that immetelyt reacted, Bombardier insisted it would not be affected and was stuck with unsold CRJs and drop in revenue and eventually had its first near miss with bankruptcy which was fixed by a combination of an induced strike (which halted overproduction of aircraft as a face saving way (remember they had promised they wouldn't be affected by 9-11). Secondly, the Beaudoin family (descendants pof Armand Bombardier and controlling shareholders) agreed to buy the recreational products division from Bombardier (thus injecting capital into company). This is why the Skidoos and all the other stuff is now under BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products). Ironically, they could not use their own family's name Bombardier, but were allowed to use the original sprocket logo. The leadup to recapitalisation had put the C-Series on deep freeze. The second disaster happened when post 9--1, airlines started to go bankrupt. Northwest airlines had a huge fleet of DC-9 in desperate need of replacement and were eyes as THE launch customer for the C-Series. . But their chapter 11 resulted in them being absorbed into Delta that simply got rid of the DC-9s as part of fleet rationalisation. Comair which was the bigger CRJ-200 user with a huge hub at Cincinatti disappeared and the new hub was at Detoirt with larger jets. American Airlines wich was the only one at that point that had not (yet) needed Chapter 11 couldn't wait for C-Series and just ordered 737s to replace its MD8x and 727s. Air Canada also got rid of its DC-9s and ordered Embraers later on. This put Bombardier without a launch customer. This delayed the actual launch by many years. (but did allow the C-Series to get the brand spanking new geared turbofan which gave it a big enough edge to compete).
thanks again simon for what was a great and entertaining summary of the cseries history!! at linate airport you could've brought a full water bottle through security with you though with the new ct scanners :D
Not sure there was much bidding for Canadair, it was more of a question of the government begging Bombardier to take it. Also,Canadiar had other airraft, including the water bomber CL215 developped i the 1960s was was considered "essential" to fighting forest fires. At the outset, the Challenger was designed to be able to be a commercial passenger jet, however, Canadair had only enough cash to produce the business jet variant and never was able to fund the passenger jet variant despite the plans being there. Bombardier took existing plans and funded their realisation. (this is why the windows on the CRJ100 and 200 are very low, they had to raise the cabin floor to fit the 2*2 seating) but didn't raise the windows. )
Nice one! Knew a little about Bombardier but learnt a lot … appreciate the efforts in all those filming locations! I understand there are a couple of challenges with the A220 for Airbus. The first is that they’re struggling to get efficiencies with the production lines to be able to make the aircraft profitable. The other is that unlike their other aircraft, it doesn’t have the common type rating, allowing pilots to transition between aircraft in a relatively short timeframe … meaning the A220 is still something of an orphan (or perhaps an adopted child to stretch the analogy!). Have you tried the Qantas A220 yet?
At 15:18 the logo you show belong to BRP since 2003 and Bombaderi had been useing different one sicne (it represented the large sporkets driving snomobiles, something which port 2003 Bombardier had nothing to do). And a years or two ago, Bombardier changed it logo again for what is left of the company l (lots of debt and 2 business jets). Shareholders saw not 1 penny from all the sales of its assets as that cash went directly to creditors. The BBD shares went below $1 so were consolidated in a 25 to 1 basis (and they are now worth equivalent of $3 which shows the company may survive after all).
@12:02 (CSeries) original estimate $2.1B which ballooned into 5B. To put into perspective, Boeing projected its NMA (or 797) development cost to be around $50 BILLION.
BTW, back to Bombardier Transportation. While it gots its start by acquiring MLW, it followed up with acquisitions in Europe, most notably AdTranz which was itself a mix of acquire companies ABB Daimler-Benz Transportation. There were many other acquisitions, including the manufacturer in Australia that won all those contracts as well as one in Sweden. The big picture: it inherited almost all its product lines from acquisitions, except for all tye custom subways it built over the years. The C-Series, Global 7500 and Lear85 were the first airplanes that Bombardier developped from scratch and they bankrupted the company. And BBD management lied to shareholders promising profitabi.ity at the same time they were negotiating to liquidate the company. Shareholders lots a lot of tyeir retuiremet money because of that (and maagement even got a raise approved).
Ahhh the "mutton dressed as lamb". Just ask any Engineer who works for Qantas and is actively fixing the hundreds of issues the A220 has on a weekly basis. I'm thinking that QantasLink may really be regretting buying these super unreliable lemons of aircraft. I have never seen a plane which is less than 2yrs old spend so much time with engineering issues causing Cancellations, Major Delays in my long aviation career working on multiple airport aprons.
To me it will always be a Bombardier no matter what. I loved the aircraft when Delta had just received them and used to travel between OAK to LAX for business every other week. I would also switch times when I knew I could fly the Bombardier rather than being placed on their Boeing. The spacious cabin and configuration 2-3, engines were quiet and restroom was much better than the crap of Boeing 737. It a shameful act of what Boeing did and also Airbus since they knew than rather than create a NEW passenger aircraft for the mid market range why not acquired it. The Boeing 737 to me has lived it purposes and Boeing executives have destroyed the company since extending the fuselage and putting more power long range engines to me has never been the answer. Embraer in a way has been a winner in the mid range size cities of the USA with Breeze Airways -E175, E190, and 195 and to cities which the major do not want to fly but as a mid service carrier still has potential to service mid to small towns -with more leg room and better service.
As a French Canadian, the loss of Bombardier was considered a national embarrassment. What was once the crown jewel of Quebec engineering was rebranded as Airbus.
To this day, we still harbor a lot of resentment towards Boeing for their actions.
Today, the A220 is still being built in Mirabel. We are happy to see the C Series flying but saddened to no longer see the Bombardier logo when boarding the airplane.
At least it still shows up as BCS1/BCS3 on FlightRadar24...
Bombardier created a plane that neither Airbus or Boeing was willing to make: A plane without compromises. The CSeries/A220 had more than just unmatched efficiency. It was a powerful hot-rod with slippery heavy-lifting aerodynamics, stacked with so many special flight capabilities that airlines and pilots can only dream of. This is a fast-climbing short-field machine. If you like the 757, fly the A220 on a rainy day and see what a full-power takeoff feels like.
I really feel bad for Bombardier. They were really on to something but Boeing had to ruin it. They also made trains for my city's metro (Singapore Downtown Line) and their trains have been the most reliable model in the entire system thus far. They really had good engineering.
hey another singaporean
They made trains for Nyct too the R142s
Communist business models always fail. Canadians have few lasting innovative companies that succeed globally; namely bloated-lazy workforces which can't succeed on tight budgets and promised delivery dates.
Melbourne's modern trams are also credited to them. Loved it.
really loved this video with the longer history videos , the history always some of my favourite parts of your videos
Glad you liked it!!
losing my mind at how good your videos are
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I flew on the A220 from Tallinn, Estonia to Paris, France in February this year, I felt that it was quite comfortable and being 192cm tall I felt that the leg room was adequate.
Been watching your videos, love the little history lessons etc in them, its good stuff.
Top notch vid Simon! See you in the skies again soon I hope
Thanks mate!
i never really comment on videos but this was a very good and informative video, shame you only have 10,000 subscriber, comment for the algorithm :D
I appreciate that!
Love your work - I love the history and I love the fact you are Australian and I am getting a Aussie point of view. Keep it up and already looking forward to the next one.
Great summary of the story! I’m missing a key point though: after Airbus purchased the program, they moved part of the production to Mobile, Alabama in the US, and thus the A220 became a US-made plane with no tariffs on it for the US market, defeating the anti-competitive lobbying by Boeing
This was incredibly clever and hilarious at the same time - if you ever stop doing this RUclips will hunt you down
Long story short, Alitalia went into administration after a decline in patronage with said patrons moving to the new domestic and international high speed rail.
Give or take
You’re forgetting Etihad
Simon was an enjoyable privilege to watch over here in wet windy Perth. Full on accurate vid have passed on to several other aviation people. Cheers and thanks
Cheers mate!
Interestingly, the A220-300 did find its niche: replace the Airbus A319 and possibly even the Boeing 737-700. That's why Airbus put in a lot of money to increase the A220 production rate.
Another motivation for the C-Series: Bombardier saw demand grow towards larger and larger regional jets, at first stretching the -200 to the 700 and then 900 and realized it should hit a limit both technical and also the scope clauses. It saw the large number of DC-9 acircraft (including MD8x) still operating in USA and Canada and saw an unfilled potential for their replacement with efficient modern aircraft. So it started to work on the C-Series concept in the late 1990s.
Then 9-11 happened. This would cause a few years upheaval because unlike Boeing and Airbus that immetelyt reacted, Bombardier insisted it would not be affected and was stuck with unsold CRJs and drop in revenue and eventually had its first near miss with bankruptcy which was fixed by a combination of an induced strike (which halted overproduction of aircraft as a face saving way (remember they had promised they wouldn't be affected by 9-11). Secondly, the Beaudoin family (descendants pof Armand Bombardier and controlling shareholders) agreed to buy the recreational products division from Bombardier (thus injecting capital into company). This is why the Skidoos and all the other stuff is now under BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products). Ironically, they could not use their own family's name Bombardier, but were allowed to use the original sprocket logo. The leadup to recapitalisation had put the C-Series on deep freeze.
The second disaster happened when post 9--1, airlines started to go bankrupt. Northwest airlines had a huge fleet of DC-9 in desperate need of replacement and were eyes as THE launch customer for the C-Series. . But their chapter 11 resulted in them being absorbed into Delta that simply got rid of the DC-9s as part of fleet rationalisation. Comair which was the bigger CRJ-200 user with a huge hub at Cincinatti disappeared and the new hub was at Detoirt with larger jets.
American Airlines wich was the only one at that point that had not (yet) needed Chapter 11 couldn't wait for C-Series and just ordered 737s to replace its MD8x and 727s. Air Canada also got rid of its DC-9s and ordered Embraers later on.
This put Bombardier without a launch customer. This delayed the actual launch by many years. (but did allow the C-Series to get the brand spanking new geared turbofan which gave it a big enough edge to compete).
thanks again simon for what was a great and entertaining summary of the cseries history!! at linate airport you could've brought a full water bottle through security with you though with the new ct scanners :D
Love your casual meme throw-ins!
Cheers 🫶
Not sure there was much bidding for Canadair, it was more of a question of the government begging Bombardier to take it.
Also,Canadiar had other airraft, including the water bomber CL215 developped i the 1960s was was considered "essential" to fighting forest fires.
At the outset, the Challenger was designed to be able to be a commercial passenger jet, however, Canadair had only enough cash to produce the business jet variant and never was able to fund the passenger jet variant despite the plans being there. Bombardier took existing plans and funded their realisation.
(this is why the windows on the CRJ100 and 200 are very low, they had to raise the cabin floor to fit the 2*2 seating) but didn't raise the windows. )
This will always be a Canadian built aircraft (the C sSries). Bombardier is in the works to develop another aircraft which is exciting to hear.
Nice one! Knew a little about Bombardier but learnt a lot … appreciate the efforts in all those filming locations!
I understand there are a couple of challenges with the A220 for Airbus. The first is that they’re struggling to get efficiencies with the production lines to be able to make the aircraft profitable. The other is that unlike their other aircraft, it doesn’t have the common type rating, allowing pilots to transition between aircraft in a relatively short timeframe … meaning the A220 is still something of an orphan (or perhaps an adopted child to stretch the analogy!). Have you tried the Qantas A220 yet?
Thanks for sharing! I’ve learnt a lot this time in this video, very interesting indeed!
At 15:18 the logo you show belong to BRP since 2003 and Bombaderi had been useing different one sicne (it represented the large sporkets driving snomobiles, something which port 2003 Bombardier had nothing to do). And a years or two ago, Bombardier changed it logo again for what is left of the company l (lots of debt and 2 business jets).
Shareholders saw not 1 penny from all the sales of its assets as that cash went directly to creditors.
The BBD shares went below $1 so were consolidated in a 25 to 1 basis (and they are now worth equivalent of $3 which shows the company may survive after all).
Almost weekly vids making a comeback?
lol was the snowy bit like baw baw or all the way buller
Maybe not weekly but trying…
Close, Mt Hotham
@12:02 (CSeries) original estimate $2.1B which ballooned into 5B. To put into perspective, Boeing projected its NMA (or 797) development cost to be around $50 BILLION.
Really love this channel! Unqiue videos and storytelling
You are doing some great work here mate! Excellent videos 👍.
Cheers, thanks for that!
I flew the qantas A220 just the other week from Melbourne to Hobart and it had the same charging ports so it might be a standard feature
So it turns out I’ve got the biggest crush on this bloke holy shit
Another great video, Simon!!
Thanks!!
BTW, back to Bombardier Transportation. While it gots its start by acquiring MLW, it followed up with acquisitions in Europe, most notably AdTranz which was itself a mix of acquire companies ABB Daimler-Benz Transportation. There were many other acquisitions, including the manufacturer in Australia that won all those contracts as well as one in Sweden. The big picture: it inherited almost all its product lines from acquisitions, except for all tye custom subways it built over the years. The C-Series, Global 7500 and Lear85 were the first airplanes that Bombardier developped from scratch and they bankrupted the company.
And BBD management lied to shareholders promising profitabi.ity at the same time they were negotiating to liquidate the company. Shareholders lots a lot of tyeir retuiremet money because of that (and maagement even got a raise approved).
I love the videos :)
Cheers!
I love your video!
Cheers 🫶
Beautiful Air Craft.Great Video And Inofo
@6:00 did no one notice a trolley return place in a corporate facility?
loved this video! what was the app you use at the very end to test out the speed of the taxi (super randomly cool addition!)
Funnily enough I was wondering about why the A220 came up as BCS3 on flightradar… now i know
excellent vidéo !
Thanks 🙏
Where’s the suitcase from? It’s beautiful!
I enjoy the different format & story behind Bombardier. A220- that's a big toilet.
Epic video!
Thanks mate!
Top of roadrunner. Nice.
Hahahahahahaha good pickup
Meanwhile at 3min 25 a bloke seemed to storming up upon our man Simon . A Milanese Government outside filming charge no doubt?
Hahahaha I would agree but that shot was in Melbourne…
Another great video
Thanks my man
bussin' vid my dude.
Cheers mate 🫡
why look so cold ????😳😳😳😳😳 which month was this?
hey so nice! thank you.
Thank you too!
Ahhh the "mutton dressed as lamb". Just ask any Engineer who works for Qantas and is actively fixing the hundreds of issues the A220 has on a weekly basis. I'm thinking that QantasLink may really be regretting buying these super unreliable lemons of aircraft. I have never seen a plane which is less than 2yrs old spend so much time with engineering issues causing Cancellations, Major Delays in my long aviation career working on multiple airport aprons.
To me it will always be a Bombardier no matter what. I loved the aircraft when Delta had just received them and used to travel between OAK to LAX for business every other week. I would also switch times when I knew I could fly the Bombardier rather than being placed on their Boeing. The spacious cabin and configuration 2-3, engines were quiet and restroom was much better than the crap of Boeing 737. It a shameful act of what Boeing did and also Airbus since they knew than rather than create a NEW passenger aircraft for the mid market range why not acquired it. The Boeing 737 to me has lived it purposes and Boeing executives have destroyed the company since extending the fuselage and putting more power long range engines to me has never been the answer. Embraer in a way has been a winner in the mid range size cities of the USA with Breeze Airways -E175, E190, and 195 and to cities which the major do not want to fly but as a mid service carrier still has potential to service mid to small towns -with more leg room and better service.
gentleman, a short view back to the past
Am I the only one who thought Bombardier makes bomber plane because of the name?
Nope
Nice
You have the wrong title Airbus give this plane away
Bro didn’t listen at all
People who saw the infinite flight a220 in the thumbnail
👇🏻
Sounds like bullying
favourite flight reviewer on yt, keep up to work man 🫱🏽🫲🏼
Cheers🙏