You say that jester's ability to control the narrative ends when they die, but I had a jest game recently where that wasn't true. I was claiming Invest who only found "doused" targets. I pushed very aggressively and pretty much everyone believed me, until the Mafia attacked me and didn't notice the doc was on me. So the GF claimed trapper, saying an arso was on whoever I "invested" that night, and I got lynched. When I came up as jest, everyone was bewildered, but they believed the GF's trapper claim, so they kept looking for the arsonist. The entire game was spent hunting down an arsonist who never existed. I turned that whole game into chaotic nonsense and I've never been prouder in my life.
I was arso and had this same situation,but I was claiming invest.The same thing happened,and I helped a jester get lynched,and then a trapper claimed.And then I ignited.HE WAS NOT TRAPPER.
I was tracker once and there was an esc whom was literally throwing and rbing me the whole game, we finally lynch them and I die the next day tarnation this game
I personally think it's weird Arsonist isn't a unique role yet. SK makes sense because they only have a basic attack, but arsonist has unstoppable attack and can stay hidden for the whole game and just ignite everyone at the end.
Issue with arsonist is that 2 of em can actually screw each other. Firstly, they can kill each other. Secondly, double dousing. You can't know who the other arso doused. And also, delayed death is a huge deal. If your targets keep dying before you ignite, you essentially don't have a role. There's also the issue that you need two nights to confirm a kill. Let's say there are 2 evils and 2 towns, and you mistakenly vote out the other evil, you are screwed if you don't have one of the two towns doused. Any other killing role would be fine (except WW if it isnt full moon), but you are GUARANTEED to fail since you cannot kill anyone in 1 night.
One of my biggest clutch games ever happened when I was a hypnotist. It was down to a 2v2. Mafioso and Hypnotist vs 2 Doctors. We knew they were gonna chain each other so we basically had a less than 1 percent chance of winning. I had an idea though, mafioso attacks 1 doc and I hypnotize the other doc into thinking he was attacked and healed. The next day they both claimed attacked and healed. I called out that 1 of them was lying. Voting time happened I was trying my damnest to convince one of the doctors that the other is lying. No luck. Next night, same tactic: attack one and hypnotize the other. Next day, they both claimed attacked and healed. I pushed even harder this day. Voting time again and right when there was 2 seconds left to vote someone up, one of the docs votes the other one up and he gets lynched because 2 to 1 guilties. Last doc self healed but he was lynched the next day. The first doc was not happy lmao. And yeah thats my biggest clutch ever in ToS
My most anime betrayal moment was my first game as bg, I decided to protect someone who claimed something like LO/Doc, so I die, and it turns out I protected them from mafioso. Later in the game, they died, and my horror when it said the words "Jester" sure I killed a mafia, but the fact I gave up my life for a fricking JESTER is what made me angry
That's a mood. I was disg in a four-stack maf the other day and our cons had a GA we were kinda hemorrhaging people but it was ok since we had the GA cons got promoted and then traded with the vamps at that point it was just me and the GA turned surv versus a mayor and a vampire with an uncooperative, trolling exe who had already won mayor refuses to vote the vamp while i'm claiming crusader on the mayor and winds up lynching the exe i killed the mayor, hoping the vamp would be dumb and try converting the mayor next day, i see the mayor died a mayor and whispered my surv and asked if they were bit all i got back was an anguished "i'm so sorry" before they lynched me my last words on the stand were "i forgive you, 1. 12 didn't give you any choice in the matter. it's ok." 15/10 would get lynched again
i recently played a jailor game where, ultimately, 3 town ended up winning. there were a couple more than that at the beginning of the game, but vamps happened and i think at least one of them left. at the end of the game, it was just me, vamp, and pmer. vamp and pmer were at each other's throats, trying to get me to help lynch the other and both pretending to be vamp. pmer asked me if i was turned, so i lynched them, and then proceeded to inform vamp that unfortunately for them, i still had an execute left. they took it well.
@@ok4350 i still had a solid chance to win for town, so being bit could easily be considered throwing. i wouldn't like my chances if one of the remaining town ended up submitting a report.
The only buff Juggernaut needs is being less rare. It being a rare role makes it way more scary to others. It's basically a werewolf, but the novelty factor makes them targeted. Making them more powerful will just make them more targeted
Another drawback of ambusher in CAA is that there are so many NKs with basic defense in a single game possible, who cant be killed by you and will out you in their next death note
I really feel like Bodyguard should be made into a neutral role that wins if it successfully protects someone. Take away it's self protect, and just leave it at that.
That could lead to deals later in the game like "hey pls attack this guy", imo that's a pretty easy win condition since you could always just announce this and people won't lynch you since you can help them
Potential creamer buffs: Either a) your frames stay up permanently. Unless you get countered by spy you can confuse tis better Or b) when you frame someone you can choose what role they will appear to be to investigative roles if checked
My favorite creamer buff is just going all in with heavy whipping cream. It's countered a little by the negative health impact, but the taste of the coffee is honestly OP.
*POTENTIAL WORKER AT COFFEE SHOP WICH DISPENSES A DELICIOUS CREAM KNOWN AS “WHIPPED CREAM”,WICH SECRETLY WORKS WITH A GROUP OF MEN,BOTH DECEPTION AND KILLING*
I feel like framer should be E teir because it has the potential to reveal evils to mafia, since the rework, framing someone lasts until someone checks that person, so if you frame 14 and then 3 who's claiming sheriff find 14 as inno, then you know 3 is full of shite
@@DespOIcito but the specific scenario you might be able to expect. 3 in chat could say the day before "ill check 14" . then the framer knows what to do.
I mean,framer is complete trash though.All it does is mess up invest or sherif results,if that person has a solid claim and is confirmed or there’s a spy,framer is useless and then town knows framer exists
@@DespOIcito but like that's basically saying "uhhh you shouldn't move this role a tier up because you shouldn't consider the role actually doing anything therefore all roles are f tier" like it doesn't make any sense. specific scenarios are what make town of salem, town of salem
Haven't played in a long time but still remember the most broken escort game. Found the mafia's killer day 1 and just sat on them for a few days to be sure before letting town know. Everyone was confused as there wasn't a single death. Then instead of killing him I sat on him while town investigated and rooted out the other mafia members. It was a complete domination.
Skimm just did this can you guys make a duo list because you guys differ on your tiers be interesting to see you guys debate on the value of some roles
I think with the Necromomicron, rather than having un-healable poison, the Poisoned target should spread poison to whoever they visit or whoever visits them on the same night it was applied.
@@dominikaborg9104 I'm aware of that but if you look at the actual game witch is REPLACED with CL in CAA so witch isn't even a ROLE in in coven all any
Love to watch your plays. I have never played the game, but as someone having tried Among Us and actually played real life werewolfs games(like when you are 10 to 14 and sent to camps), I find it very entertaining. Thanks and congrats!
Day 165 of tracking D1 survivor claims. There was one survivor in this video, who was ranked at a respectable B tier. Glad more people appreciate how weird and wacky survivors can be. Total Real D1 Surv Count: 24 Total Fake D1 Surv Count: 38 Total Unknown D1 Surv Count: 4 Total Survivors Who Did Not Claim D1: 26
I'm late but buff for juggernaut:he cannot be roleblocked. It will still say you roleblocked them as escort/consort but it won't work, also it will still say you transported but he will attack the target he chose. Also instead of unstoppable attack, I would add powerful defense instead of basic.
Today i got popular target achievement (being attacked 5 times[i was 6] as exe). Game was sick, only 2 townies (jailor and vet), 4 exes all had vet as target, 3 witches, 4 maf, sk and a vamp xD I realy want to thank 2 remaining evils and witches that keept using them to attack me so that i could get my achievmenet. Preatty sure beaing named Achievement hunt helped. Just typing that to let you know guys, that however people lies a lot in this game, thanks to that they trusted me and helped to do this achievement i m really happy thanks to them :)
That sounds like the setup for my "Patience, Jackass, Patience" game. It was a very passive town, I had a confirmed vet as a target, and there were 3 survivor claims, one of whom was actually arso. I dont think there were any maf, and if there were they died early. By n6 about 6 people remained alive: the 3 survivor claims, me, my target, and some AFK dude. Arso and survs agreed to help me, so we waited with arso dousing and killing a random dude every other night. He ended up killing one of the survs who was actually MAYOR and I got my achievement.
I was watching this in the background of my own game and got my first Plaguebearer game ever I was doing well and managed to get pestilence but then I heard extremely loud rain started coming in it was pouring harder than I had ever seen almost like someone literally just poured an entire dam into a massive sieve My power went out suddenly and back on soon after and its a few minutes later and it already cleared with thunder quiet in the background For one thing my pb game was ruined and that sucks but if i were a little bit more nuts I would almost say I just saw a sign of the apocalypse But there is no chance I believe that for a minute I just find it very funny and thought it was share worthy enjoy
The power a stupid spy has if there are enough stupid town is bizarre, I was witch visited by maf before, spy said I had to have protection and was evil because I had protection. I wasn’t attacked and tried to explain that maf can do more than kill, note that no maf was dead and this was in ranked practice. Only after I was lynched someone said that where did you get that maf cant do anything but attack because someone else said that maf could only attack.
4:43 i've had a 4 arso game once, yeah, arso won, nobody expects the arso inquisition (there was an amne so we could have had 5 arsos XD) 17:58 i gotta say exe is S+ imo, it's just too easy to win. claim sheriff, say target is sus, and boom! you win. my first game as exe i got the d2 lynch achievement doing exactly that
I once was jest and decided to claim tracker and said the VH claim visited the person who was attacked, they got lynched, and I ended up winning that game because I kept making shit claims and people called me out eventually, I got my lunch after 2 people I falsely accused, that was a fun dead chat.
One strategy about framer I like is constantly visiting Jailor & claiming you’re a TP. Obviously, this only works if there is no spy, but usually TI’s won’t waste nights looking for you early-mid game if you are confirmed by LO this early.
Mayor, can be rather risky to play, especially in Coven TT or Classic TT. Shoot, I remember when I was mayor in one game of Coven Town Traitor, I was basically the last one standing. In a 1v1, I beat out the 3 day timer against veteran(which was the TT), because I had the voting power. However, that voting power could lead to mayor itself being hung/exed because they’re too powerful to be left alive, and are often accused of being the TT.
been watching quite a lot of your older videos, and seeing this one got me thinking paticularly on Poisoner and Juggernaut. Poisoner buffs i had in mind, Idea 1 - Poison is always uncurable since your attack is slow and players with defense the night you poison are safe, With Necro ability being changed to also Poisoning someone who visits your target like Ambusher so with Necro you go from setting up 1 delayed kill to 2. Idea 2 - the other thought i had was keeping the ability to be cured, but changing Poisoner with the Necro's effect to Poisoning your target as well as anyone who Visits, also would probally move them up the hierarchy for the Necro probally between CL and HM getting it earlier than roles that want to hide i know technically Necro inheritance is CL -> anyone but Dusa -> Dusa only if no other option but instead really Necro inheritance should have a static path sorta like mafioso promotion priority With HM getting it much later something like CL -> PM -> Necromancer (Assuming Buff 1 for Poisoner) -> Poisoner (If Buff 1 otherwise Necromancer) -> HM -> Dusa Ideas for Jugg i had ; Firstly i feel like to help differentiate it from WW, Jugg should attack on Vampire Bite Nights (night 1, 3) essentially rather than full moons, becoming able to attack every night after 1 kill, but must always wait between having the chance to attack if one wants to hide for a decisive kill later. this lets them reach powerful attack potentially immediately, and have an easier time scaling up. however this doesn't really change much for them. secondarily i feel like the second and third kills should grant Basic then Powerful defense alongside their current effects, not sure this helps them compete that much, but i think it'd help the feel, and make them more interesting to try and get to max power, as a second Jugg kill would mean theirs now basically a WW running around, that gets stronger if it kills again. potentially Jugg could get Basic Defense of kill 1, then Powerful from kill 2, then kill 3 causing them additionally become invincible like Pest, but maybe that'd be too powerful, i guess it's a difference of condition, PB needs to 'douse' everyone before doing unstoppable rampage and becoming fully night immune but that's quiet until it's suddenly a threat Jugg is far more open and can easily get caught if they aren't careful. honestly i'd say the second and third kills giving Basic -> Powerful defense would go a long way, and make the role more than just bad WW, or even defenseless SK starting from kill 1.
I like the idea of poisoning everyone that visits you, as if you booby trapped your house and the idea that 2 people will be begging the doc to heal them and why they are more important to town, but a good town could work how who pois is pretty easily.
@@thecubeearthsociety6761 i Feel like something to give poisoner above average kill power due to it's slow speed. since you'll draw a lot of attention also becomes threatening when you get the Necro. since now nothing can save your victims if neither of the major changes i described were to happen. i feel like visting poisoner getting others poisoned kinda steps on Medusa's role which is why i was thinking pois hitting their target + a visitor akin to ambusher though you wouldn't know if you were targeted or ambushed by poisoner. if poisoner's poison is curable they need to be able to poison multiple. also makes them meaningful in the coven roster as a lot a kill power that can distract from the cover coven antics as many people die to the coven.
I've just recently gotten back into ToS after a few years of not being a part. Much thanks to watching you, to be fair! And the thing with Mayor clutching- Really does strike home as one of my first games was as a Mayor. Where I hadn't revealed at the end. The Arso had ignited, and left 3 alive. Me, the Arso and somebody unknown. I thought it was me, a Sheriff and an Arso. But turns out what was left was me, Arso and Mafioso. The Mafioso claimed a Vigi who hadn't shot the entire game. Something I just didn't believe, so got them lynched. And since the Arso had just ignited, they had nobody doused. So the following day I got the Arso lynched. Somehow Town won that one- And I have no clue how the hell I survived. Second most fave game was when there was me (Jugg), WW and a Town left. Me and WW killed each other so that Town won.
How long ago was this? It’s funny because I was in a similar game. I ignited out of fear and then left two people left, one maf one mayor. Maf got lynched and Mayor ended up clutching the win because I was insta voted! Do you remember the name Meeko/Tokyo Drifting by chance?
@@visiblyyr I believe this was the 4th December or so- And I'm really bad with names so don't recall 'em. Especially from any of those games just because... So hard to keep track of everything xD
The issue with psychic is that people can tend to say that faking a psychic will is easy. And if someone who later turns out to be evil by chance supports your finding people will just brand you as evil
Dusa being higher than HMer and necro is interesting, since I feel like both of them can more reliably do things that benefit coven. Additionally, dusa gets the book last, so realistically unless your whole coven is dead you're out of gazes not doing much
I use Jester scrolls and claim Jester every game. Leads to some pretty funny scenarios. I ended up getting SK and claiming Jester one game and won somehow.
The reason I personally kill all GAs early on as evil if they are not from my faction is that later on if their target is another evil that guy have will have people voting with him, and you want to elliminate that as much as possible + no tp or lo will be on tehm so safe kills
Soo remember rainbow? I played some of that with friends and we rolled any amb, i was maf and i dont think they were thinking straight because they were like "there goes maf" after amb and gf died so i just rolled with it and didn't kill till the end with a god damn amne claim
Solo Necro win in a game with solo Mafioso, Pest, Jugg, 2 SK, Arso, and the rest town is still one of proudest moments. I appreciate the Retributionist that saved my life in return for me saving theirs, and proceeded to help me lynch Jugg in the 1v1v1.
I love playing pirate. I generally start by dueling someone, if they win, I will whisper them and let them choose my next target, if I win, I will usually do a “ first one to whisper me “(Random Word)” will get to choose my next target. I don’t generally die from doing so. I’d say I did maybe like 20% of the time after coming out D2
Here are 2 stories that make me wanna quit town of salem for exactly 4 days and 20 minutes: Story 1: I was in ranked practice as number 8 and roled Consort. I prepared a Spy claim and was doing solid until day 2, witch gets hanged. N2 GF leaves and D3 the Mafioso turned GF gets lynched and then revealed all of the mafia even the dead ones. N3 Jailed and exed and D4 last maf gets hanged. At the end Jailor even said they all believed my Spy claim and i prolly wouldve won ngl if it wasnt for that damn mafioso. Story 2: Roled Jugg in CAA. D2 Someone claimed Invest and said I was LO/forger/CL/Jugg pushed me as CL. and i claimed Ret saying the invest is exe. AND THEN SOMEONE CCD MY RET CLAIM AND PUSHED ME AS NECRO. And they were syaing stuff like “aha your plan has been busted CL” and “good try CL”. And even when I LITERALLY SAID “IM JUGGERNAUT” THEY STILL SAY IM CL FOR SOME REASON.
I rate Bodyguard way higher, because it's not very uncommon to have a doctor or crusader in the game. I just claim Day 1 and try to get a chain. If I succeed (which is about 40% of the time), I can actually take evils out without dying myself. And unlike crusader or vigilante, I have a strong enough attack to get rid of killing roles with basic defense. The main problem with bodyguard in my eyes isn't that he gets himself killed,it's that he doesn't grant actual defence for his target. All he does is stop 1 attack, which makes chains with a bodyguard kind of weak. If a Werewolf for example attacks the bodyguard, whoever the bodyguard is chaining with will die to the rampage because bodyguard doesn't protect from indirect attacks.
My personal favorite game was when I killed the entire mafia and almost the entire coven as a pirate. I was doing really well on my duels and I decided to just keep hunting. For some reason nobody killed me despite they could have but they just let me kill every single maf and almost all of the coven.
The fact that Ambusher can't go on maf is honestly just straight up stupid. Ambusher should be like the maf BG of sorts. I'm not really sure about GA's rating. I think it should drop to A, maybe B. I base this on the fact that most of the time a GA is expected to protect n1 to confirm themselves. If people are paying attention to d1 whispers, then your protect is pretty much always wasted n1. Losing half your actions just to confirm yourself I think is pretty bad. IMO GA's should be auto confirmed at the start of the game so they can actually use both their protects. It's still a good role but I wouldn't put it in S tier.
jester has to be the most fun role in the game for me. the absolute chaos u can cause with that role is hysterical. its literally INCENTIVIZING bad play, how many video games do that
I just had an idea for a small Mayor overhaul - if a Godfather had the option to, at the price of not killing anyone that night, to visit the Mayor and "bribe" them, essentially changing their alignment to make them an agent of the Mafia. This would probably mean the day after the mayor reveals, there will be a huge debate if the Mafia didn't make a kill about whether they hit an immune, whether the Mayor should be killed off - I think it would be chaotic and fun but with the power afforded to mayor it would give the Mafia majority far too early. Maybe for balance, mayor should be able to investigate people to specifically see if they are gf lol
*Throws a bag of money at the mayor* “Oi,join our side,heard us?” “Ok.” “Wait really?” “Yeah,i'll do it,you got money ” “...” *Night god i dunno.* “HELLO THERE EVERYONE!” “You got our Blackmailer lynched,Godfather,WHY DID YOU GET THE MAYOR HERE?” “Hey,it's fine,we got this.”
I really wish ambushes could ambush on your own maf. I had a game recently where we had mafioso, consig, consort, and ambusher (me). Our mafioso however kept getting roleblocked, and it would be so great for me to just go on my mafioso and get rid of that escort
i got suspended on ToS because on day 2, although confirmed veteran, still lynched. i was getting cc’d by a crusader, and they reported me for throwing
I disagree with survivor. My #1 most total wins for neutral roles is survivor. And I NEVER claim survivor. I usually claim town invest claims and scum read, it relatively easy to do so. I CONTROL the flow of the game, by lynching who I want, and pushing the game along. Almost every survivor game I play I win.
Usually I get myself lynched early as jest because it's easier for me but the one time I had a late game jest win out of my 10 jest wins was so funny 6 people left. Pm just died to vet leaving medium with loads of dead chat, confirmed vet, amne who just turned Ret and a psy with accurate visions. And me, jest claiming surv. Logically, you would go for the surv claim so they did. After I got hung I whisper to the psy claim saying I'll kill the vet for them. Medium and all the dead town were screaming at me to kill the Psy claim because it would speed up the game. I say nah and kill vet. Dusa kills the Ret and I kill the veteran off like I promised. Dusa goes on to kill med and win The dusa loved me xd
I agree that Disguiser is pretty bad in Coven all any, but in ranked I think its pretty interesting when it comes to countering jailor meta when you have something like a bmer
Am I the only person who likes Hypno. When I get Hypno I get excited and happy to get the role. I love the easy fake claims, getting people trust by claiming a TP role. It's really fun for me
I say jester is S+ because it’s fun, really easy for me, boosts my acting ego, and then once ur dead u get to just watch everyone else do their thing while u relax
How many times can a person change roles in one game, My record is 3 roles: Amnesiac - Guardian Angel - Survivor. I guess Amne - Exe - Jest is also an option. Maybe Amne - Average Non Killing / Ambusher Mafia - Mafioso could also work. Amne - PB - Pest
HEY YO heres a disg combo that doesnt make disguiser F tier, If you have a disguiser plus an ambusher, your ambusher becomes pretty poewrful, heres an example. The disguiser disguised the Ambusher as the Doctor. The ambusher went on the Survivor. An Invest and a Tracker went on the survivor. The Invest gets killed, the Tracker sees a message "YOU SAW THE DOCTOR PREPATE AN AMBUSH" you say you saw doc was ambushed, town lynches doc, than town might think the Tracker is suspicous for calling out the Doctor, and they might lynch the Tracker. BOOM that's a good scenario right. That's the ONLY THING, I can think of for Diguiser. At least it's not completely useless.
My favorite Forger play is a simple one - on N2, before anyone knew there was a forger, I forged a Spy into Jester so their results couldn't be trusted. Maf won that game because of that.
You say that jester's ability to control the narrative ends when they die, but I had a jest game recently where that wasn't true. I was claiming Invest who only found "doused" targets. I pushed very aggressively and pretty much everyone believed me, until the Mafia attacked me and didn't notice the doc was on me. So the GF claimed trapper, saying an arso was on whoever I "invested" that night, and I got lynched. When I came up as jest, everyone was bewildered, but they believed the GF's trapper claim, so they kept looking for the arsonist. The entire game was spent hunting down an arsonist who never existed. I turned that whole game into chaotic nonsense and I've never been prouder in my life.
the dead chat of that games has to have been wild
I was arso and had this same situation,but I was claiming invest.The same thing happened,and I helped a jester get lynched,and then a trapper claimed.And then I ignited.HE WAS NOT TRAPPER.
Wow
I agree that esc can carry. I was solo vamp and I got rbed by the esc every night for 10 nights n1-n10
But you have heard of them
I feel your pain
I was tracker once and there was an esc whom was literally throwing and rbing me the whole game, we finally lynch them and I die the next day tarnation this game
Oof for you bro,when I usually play esc dies n1
When I’m esc I fucking die every time n3 I don’t know why
I personally think it's weird Arsonist isn't a unique role yet.
SK makes sense because they only have a basic attack, but arsonist has unstoppable attack and can stay hidden for the whole game and just ignite everyone at the end.
honestly sk need a buff cause every nk can get him
@@totallynotdope7671 ikr
Issue with arsonist is that 2 of em can actually screw each other. Firstly, they can kill each other. Secondly, double dousing. You can't know who the other arso doused.
And also, delayed death is a huge deal. If your targets keep dying before you ignite, you essentially don't have a role. There's also the issue that you need two nights to confirm a kill. Let's say there are 2 evils and 2 towns, and you mistakenly vote out the other evil, you are screwed if you don't have one of the two towns doused. Any other killing role would be fine (except WW if it isnt full moon), but you are GUARANTEED to fail since you cannot kill anyone in 1 night.
Honestly
Losing to double arso hurts just as much as losing a game to stacked vamps
@@totallynotdope7671 Let serial killer read whispers maybe?
Mafioso being higher than E tier physically hurts me.
Reliable claiming options for him include:
Vigilante
Lmao
not even reliable as if you don't shoot you'll get lynched
Vet can be easy to claim, just more risky
@@guam5250 until the actual vet ccs you
@@KM-uo4mc yeah that’s the risk part. Wait until d2, and if you feel safe, d3 before claiming tbh
One of my biggest clutch games ever happened when I was a hypnotist. It was down to a 2v2. Mafioso and Hypnotist vs 2 Doctors. We knew they were gonna chain each other so we basically had a less than 1 percent chance of winning. I had an idea though, mafioso attacks 1 doc and I hypnotize the other doc into thinking he was attacked and healed. The next day they both claimed attacked and healed. I called out that 1 of them was lying. Voting time happened I was trying my damnest to convince one of the doctors that the other is lying. No luck. Next night, same tactic: attack one and hypnotize the other. Next day, they both claimed attacked and healed. I pushed even harder this day. Voting time again and right when there was 2 seconds left to vote someone up, one of the docs votes the other one up and he gets lynched because 2 to 1 guilties. Last doc self healed but he was lynched the next day. The first doc was not happy lmao. And yeah thats my biggest clutch ever in ToS
My most anime betrayal moment was my first game as bg, I decided to protect someone who claimed something like LO/Doc, so I die, and it turns out I protected them from mafioso. Later in the game, they died, and my horror when it said the words "Jester" sure I killed a mafia, but the fact I gave up my life for a fricking JESTER is what made me angry
Only if they got hanged, It would then be good
That's a mood.
I was disg in a four-stack maf the other day and our cons had a GA
we were kinda hemorrhaging people but it was ok since we had the GA
cons got promoted and then traded with the vamps
at that point it was just me and the GA turned surv versus a mayor and a vampire with an uncooperative, trolling exe who had already won
mayor refuses to vote the vamp while i'm claiming crusader on the mayor and winds up lynching the exe
i killed the mayor, hoping the vamp would be dumb and try converting the mayor
next day, i see the mayor died a mayor and whispered my surv and asked if they were bit
all i got back was an anguished "i'm so sorry" before they lynched me
my last words on the stand were "i forgive you, 1. 12 didn't give you any choice in the matter. it's ok."
15/10 would get lynched again
In my first bg game someone said tp/lo on me d1 and I saved em from the Mafioso and I was happy
Turned out it was arso
@@Smashedhiskeyboardupinthewoods oops hate to see it
@@lorathian :clueless:
i recently played a jailor game where, ultimately, 3 town ended up winning. there were a couple more than that at the beginning of the game, but vamps happened and i think at least one of them left. at the end of the game, it was just me, vamp, and pmer. vamp and pmer were at each other's throats, trying to get me to help lynch the other and both pretending to be vamp. pmer asked me if i was turned, so i lynched them, and then proceeded to inform vamp that unfortunately for them, i still had an execute left. they took it well.
Why didnt you let vamp bite you :(
@@ok4350 i still had a solid chance to win for town, so being bit could easily be considered throwing. i wouldn't like my chances if one of the remaining town ended up submitting a report.
The only buff Juggernaut needs is being less rare. It being a rare role makes it way more scary to others. It's basically a werewolf, but the novelty factor makes them targeted. Making them more powerful will just make them more targeted
Another drawback of ambusher in CAA is that there are so many NKs with basic defense in a single game possible, who cant be killed by you and will out you in their next death note
Or simply kill you the next night which is what usually happens to me.
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Oh I can feel the difference in mayor games. Whenever there's a mayor, I feel incredibly irritated and annoyed because they always throw somehow :)
I really feel like Bodyguard should be made into a neutral role that wins if it successfully protects someone. Take away it's self protect, and just leave it at that.
That could lead to deals later in the game like "hey pls attack this guy", imo that's a pretty easy win condition since you could always just announce this and people won't lynch you since you can help them
its*
Or like the pirate and they need 2 protects.
Potential creamer buffs:
Either a) your frames stay up permanently. Unless you get countered by spy you can confuse tis better
Or b) when you frame someone you can choose what role they will appear to be to investigative roles if checked
Another possible buff: people that visit the framer, also get framed (like arso and pb)
C R E A M E R
My favorite creamer buff is just going all in with heavy whipping cream. It's countered a little by the negative health impact, but the taste of the coffee is honestly OP.
*POTENTIAL WORKER AT COFFEE SHOP WICH DISPENSES A DELICIOUS CREAM KNOWN AS “WHIPPED CREAM”,WICH SECRETLY WORKS WITH A GROUP OF MEN,BOTH DECEPTION AND KILLING*
creamer!!!
As an Escort/Consort fan I am sad to see my two favorite roles in C Tier XD
They’re low key fun to play, especially when you’re on a roll
I had a forger game yesterday and wrote a PM's will to try to frame the sheriff claim as arso. Turns out they were really arso
For me I had a game as a potion master and mafia forged a town as potion master. Gave me free doctor claim and waited until mafia all gets lynched.
I feel like framer should be E teir because it has the potential to reveal evils to mafia, since the rework, framing someone lasts until someone checks that person, so if you frame 14 and then 3 who's claiming sheriff find 14 as inno, then you know 3 is full of shite
That sort of very specific scenario could be applied to all roles though, it shouldn’t get to move up a tier for that
@@DespOIcito but the specific scenario you might be able to expect. 3 in chat could say the day before "ill check 14" . then the framer knows what to do.
@@RubyYTer you could expect any "specific scenario"
I mean,framer is complete trash though.All it does is mess up invest or sherif results,if that person has a solid claim and is confirmed or there’s a spy,framer is useless and then town knows framer exists
@@DespOIcito but like that's basically saying "uhhh you shouldn't move this role a tier up because you shouldn't consider the role actually doing anything therefore all roles are f tier" like it doesn't make any sense. specific scenarios are what make town of salem, town of salem
Haven't played in a long time but still remember the most broken escort game. Found the mafia's killer day 1 and just sat on them for a few days to be sure before letting town know. Everyone was confused as there wasn't a single death. Then instead of killing him I sat on him while town investigated and rooted out the other mafia members. It was a complete domination.
Skimm just did this can you guys make a duo list because you guys differ on your tiers be interesting to see you guys debate on the value of some roles
Skimm did some shady stuff my dude
@@yeetosis9097 What does this have to do with anything, exactly?
@@yeetosis9097 what did skimm do?
@@yeetosis9097 What did Skimm do that was bad?
@@yeetosis9097 ???? What'd he do
I think with the Necromomicron, rather than having un-healable poison, the Poisoned target should spread poison to whoever they visit or whoever visits them on the same night it was applied.
That would be absurdly overpowered
@@heartscaless that’s true
PipeTron: We'll be making a teir list of all the roles in coven all any
Me: Notices the witch at the very bottom
Also me: *Visible confusion*
CL Is Witch basically with Teammates And can get a Buff
@@dominikaborg9104 I'm aware of that but if you look at the actual game witch is REPLACED with CL in CAA so witch isn't even a ROLE in in coven all any
I Know
That pointing it saying
Love to watch your plays. I have never played the game, but as someone having tried Among Us and actually played real life werewolfs games(like when you are 10 to 14 and sent to camps), I find it very entertaining. Thanks and congrats!
Day 165 of tracking D1 survivor claims.
There was one survivor in this video, who was ranked at a respectable B tier. Glad more people appreciate how weird and wacky survivors can be.
Total Real D1 Surv Count: 24
Total Fake D1 Surv Count: 38
Total Unknown D1 Surv Count: 4
Total Survivors Who Did Not Claim D1: 26
I'm late but buff for juggernaut:he cannot be roleblocked. It will still say you roleblocked them as escort/consort but it won't work, also it will still say you transported but he will attack the target he chose. Also instead of unstoppable attack, I would add powerful defense instead of basic.
pipe thank you for introducing me to town of salem i love ur videos
Today i got popular target achievement (being attacked 5 times[i was 6] as exe). Game was sick, only 2 townies (jailor and vet), 4 exes all had vet as target, 3 witches, 4 maf, sk and a vamp xD I realy want to thank 2 remaining evils and witches that keept using them to attack me so that i could get my achievmenet. Preatty sure beaing named Achievement hunt helped. Just typing that to let you know guys, that however people lies a lot in this game, thanks to that they trusted me and helped to do this achievement i m really happy thanks to them :)
That sounds like the setup for my "Patience, Jackass, Patience" game. It was a very passive town, I had a confirmed vet as a target, and there were 3 survivor claims, one of whom was actually arso. I dont think there were any maf, and if there were they died early. By n6 about 6 people remained alive: the 3 survivor claims, me, my target, and some AFK dude. Arso and survs agreed to help me, so we waited with arso dousing and killing a random dude every other night. He ended up killing one of the survs who was actually MAYOR and I got my achievement.
LMAO WHAT IS THAT ROLE LIST
4 exe 4 maf
2 town 3 witches
town legit never stood a chance XD
I was watching this in the background of my own game and got my first Plaguebearer game ever
I was doing well and managed to get pestilence but then I heard extremely loud rain started coming in it was pouring harder than I had ever seen almost like someone literally just poured an entire dam into a massive sieve
My power went out suddenly and back on soon after and its a few minutes later and it already cleared with thunder quiet in the background
For one thing my pb game was ruined and that sucks but if i were a little bit more nuts I would almost say I just saw a sign of the apocalypse
But there is no chance I believe that for a minute I just find it very funny and thought it was share worthy
enjoy
THIS WHOLE TIME I THOUGHT THAT THE JUGGERNAUT ICON WAS A WEIRD LOOKING FIST, NOT A PINK DUDE BODYSLAMING SOMETHING. THIS IS A HUGE REVOLUTION FOR ME.
As ambusher,i go into my target that godfather was gonna kill.
I ambushed a crusader,this is why i love ambusher (all any coven btw)
*“CMERE,BITCH!”*
*Murders the crusader*
“Alright,cmon,get em,boss.”
*Godfather does his duty*
-That round,don't ask..why i did this.
The power a stupid spy has if there are enough stupid town is bizarre, I was witch visited by maf before, spy said I had to have protection and was evil because I had protection. I wasn’t attacked and tried to explain that maf can do more than kill, note that no maf was dead and this was in ranked practice. Only after I was lynched someone said that where did you get that maf cant do anything but attack because someone else said that maf could only attack.
4:43 i've had a 4 arso game once, yeah, arso won, nobody expects the arso inquisition
(there was an amne so we could have had 5 arsos XD)
17:58 i gotta say exe is S+ imo, it's just too easy to win. claim sheriff, say target is sus, and boom! you win. my first game as exe i got the d2 lynch achievement doing exactly that
Lol same. Or a tracker target visits killed lol
were there 5 arsos originally and one of them died? because amnes wouldn't be able to remember a live arso.
I once was jest and decided to claim tracker and said the VH claim visited the person who was attacked, they got lynched, and I ended up winning that game because I kept making shit claims and people called me out eventually, I got my lunch after 2 people I falsely accused, that was a fun dead chat.
One strategy about framer I like is constantly visiting Jailor & claiming you’re a TP. Obviously, this only works if there is no spy, but usually TI’s won’t waste nights looking for you early-mid game if you are confirmed by LO this early.
Hol up
2022? Pipe is time traveller confirmed?
An easy buff for jugg could come in the form of them to be allowed to join any faction (even town, would be a powerful town killing role)
i always thought that they should make it that if a jugg dies then a random surv should turn into one lol
I always feel like Juggernaut needed a buff but perhaps not this.
When I get jester sometimes I just want to walk away and come back to see what happened after
Mayor, can be rather risky to play, especially in Coven TT or Classic TT. Shoot, I remember when I was mayor in one game of Coven Town Traitor, I was basically the last one standing. In a 1v1, I beat out the 3 day timer against veteran(which was the TT), because I had the voting power. However, that voting power could lead to mayor itself being hung/exed because they’re too powerful to be left alive, and are often accused of being the TT.
been watching quite a lot of your older videos, and seeing this one got me thinking paticularly on Poisoner and Juggernaut.
Poisoner buffs i had in mind,
Idea 1 - Poison is always uncurable since your attack is slow and players with defense the night you poison are safe, With Necro ability being changed to also Poisoning someone who visits your target like Ambusher so with Necro you go from setting up 1 delayed kill to 2.
Idea 2 - the other thought i had was keeping the ability to be cured, but changing Poisoner with the Necro's effect to Poisoning your target as well as anyone who Visits, also would probally move them up the hierarchy for the Necro probally between CL and HM getting it earlier than roles that want to hide
i know technically Necro inheritance is CL -> anyone but Dusa -> Dusa only if no other option but instead really Necro inheritance should have a static path sorta like mafioso promotion priority With HM getting it much later something like CL -> PM -> Necromancer (Assuming Buff 1 for Poisoner) -> Poisoner (If Buff 1 otherwise Necromancer) -> HM -> Dusa
Ideas for Jugg i had ;
Firstly i feel like to help differentiate it from WW, Jugg should attack on Vampire Bite Nights (night 1, 3) essentially rather than full moons, becoming able to attack every night after 1 kill, but must always wait between having the chance to attack if one wants to hide for a decisive kill later.
this lets them reach powerful attack potentially immediately, and have an easier time scaling up. however this doesn't really change much for them. secondarily i feel like the second and third kills should grant Basic then Powerful defense alongside their current effects, not sure this helps them compete that much, but i think it'd help the feel, and make them more interesting to try and get to max power, as a second Jugg kill would mean theirs now basically a WW running around, that gets stronger if it kills again. potentially Jugg could get Basic Defense of kill 1, then Powerful from kill 2, then kill 3 causing them additionally become invincible like Pest, but maybe that'd be too powerful, i guess it's a difference of condition, PB needs to 'douse' everyone before doing unstoppable rampage and becoming fully night immune but that's quiet until it's suddenly a threat Jugg is far more open and can easily get caught if they aren't careful. honestly i'd say the second and third kills giving Basic -> Powerful defense would go a long way, and make the role more than just bad WW, or even defenseless SK starting from kill 1.
I like the idea of poisoning everyone that visits you, as if you booby trapped your house and the idea that 2 people will be begging the doc to heal them and why they are more important to town, but a good town could work how who pois is pretty easily.
@@thecubeearthsociety6761 i Feel like something to give poisoner above average kill power due to it's slow speed. since you'll draw a lot of attention also becomes threatening when you get the Necro. since now nothing can save your victims if neither of the major changes i described were to happen. i feel like visting poisoner getting others poisoned kinda steps on Medusa's role which is why i was thinking pois hitting their target + a visitor akin to ambusher though you wouldn't know if you were targeted or ambushed by poisoner. if poisoner's poison is curable they need to be able to poison multiple. also makes them meaningful in the coven roster as a lot a kill power that can distract from the cover coven antics as many people die to the coven.
Poisoner should just with the necro power make it so that poisoned targets who visit for get visited will get poisoned as well
Pipe casually time travels
I've just recently gotten back into ToS after a few years of not being a part. Much thanks to watching you, to be fair!
And the thing with Mayor clutching- Really does strike home as one of my first games was as a Mayor.
Where I hadn't revealed at the end. The Arso had ignited, and left 3 alive. Me, the Arso and somebody unknown.
I thought it was me, a Sheriff and an Arso. But turns out what was left was me, Arso and Mafioso.
The Mafioso claimed a Vigi who hadn't shot the entire game. Something I just didn't believe, so got them lynched.
And since the Arso had just ignited, they had nobody doused. So the following day I got the Arso lynched.
Somehow Town won that one- And I have no clue how the hell I survived.
Second most fave game was when there was me (Jugg), WW and a Town left. Me and WW killed each other so that Town won.
How long ago was this? It’s funny because I was in a similar game. I ignited out of fear and then left two people left, one maf one mayor. Maf got lynched and Mayor ended up clutching the win because I was insta voted! Do you remember the name Meeko/Tokyo Drifting by chance?
@@visiblyyr I believe this was the 4th December or so- And I'm really bad with names so don't recall 'em. Especially from any of those games just because... So hard to keep track of everything xD
@@dawnatmidnight604 wow!! I actually think this was my game too 😂 It was around that time so funny
Now I'm really glad I was able to make that jugg win while I was dead GA.
The issue with psychic is that people can tend to say that faking a psychic will is easy. And if someone who later turns out to be evil by chance supports your finding people will just brand you as evil
Dusa being higher than HMer and necro is interesting, since I feel like both of them can more reliably do things that benefit coven. Additionally, dusa gets the book last, so realistically unless your whole coven is dead you're out of gazes not doing much
Bg coven all any and Bg all any is extremely different. Also one of the best things you can do in normal is kill a ww.
Once had a game where vamps were hidden till n8
We need two separate tier lists. One for Coven Gameplay. One for Non-Coven. Arsonist in Coven isnt as strong as they are in Classic.
And we has basic defense, so you can use them every ww night, and find other roles on non ww night
when i saw the phrase “tier list” i figured it would be about win probability, rather than amount of impact on a game.
Pipe I literally just watched a video of yours where you got LO and were going on about how OP LO was and then you dump them in C tier XD
My first ever game as arsonist, I died first round trying to douse someone who turned out to be a veteran
I use Jester scrolls and claim Jester every game. Leads to some pretty funny scenarios. I ended up getting SK and claiming Jester one game and won somehow.
Always love these videos
The reason I personally kill all GAs early on as evil if they are not from my faction is that later on if their target is another evil that guy have will have people voting with him, and you want to elliminate that as much as possible + no tp or lo will be on tehm so safe kills
Here before Jester is S tier
When Pipe travels through time:
Soo remember rainbow? I played some of that with friends and we rolled any amb, i was maf and i dont think they were thinking straight because they were like "there goes maf" after amb and gf died so i just rolled with it and didn't kill till the end with a god damn amne claim
Faking exe as maf is underrated. If you side town, you can do wathever you want and not try to get targeted by sk/vigilante. Its risky tho.
Once i was a hypno, fake healed a doc n2 then was invincible for the rest of the game (i didnt get attacked but still) and carried maf
Solo Necro win in a game with solo Mafioso, Pest, Jugg, 2 SK, Arso, and the rest town is still one of proudest moments. I appreciate the Retributionist that saved my life in return for me saving theirs, and proceeded to help me lynch Jugg in the 1v1v1.
I love playing pirate. I generally start by dueling someone, if they win, I will whisper them and let them choose my next target, if I win, I will usually do a “ first one to whisper me “(Random Word)” will get to choose my next target. I don’t generally die from doing so. I’d say I did maybe like 20% of the time after coming out D2
I did that once.
Pirated the ambusher, next night I whisper them who to pirate and they decide to ambush the person I visited that night and kill me.
Here are 2 stories that make me wanna quit town of salem for exactly 4 days and 20 minutes:
Story 1: I was in ranked practice as number 8 and roled Consort. I prepared a Spy claim and was doing solid until day 2, witch gets hanged. N2 GF leaves and D3 the Mafioso turned GF gets lynched and then revealed all of the mafia even the dead ones. N3 Jailed and exed and D4 last maf gets hanged. At the end Jailor even said they all believed my Spy claim and i prolly wouldve won ngl if it wasnt for that damn mafioso.
Story 2: Roled Jugg in CAA. D2 Someone claimed Invest and said I was LO/forger/CL/Jugg pushed me as CL. and i claimed Ret saying the invest is exe. AND THEN SOMEONE CCD MY RET CLAIM AND PUSHED ME AS NECRO. And they were syaing stuff like “aha your plan has been busted CL” and “good try CL”. And even when I LITERALLY SAID “IM JUGGERNAUT” THEY STILL SAY IM CL FOR SOME REASON.
Jani also counters a SK since they can see who an escort visited or who a jailor jailed.
Probably a good idea to put coven all any in the title
Good video :)
I rate Bodyguard way higher, because it's not very uncommon to have a doctor or crusader in the game. I just claim Day 1 and try to get a chain. If I succeed (which is about 40% of the time), I can actually take evils out without dying myself. And unlike crusader or vigilante, I have a strong enough attack to get rid of killing roles with basic defense.
The main problem with bodyguard in my eyes isn't that he gets himself killed,it's that he doesn't grant actual defence for his target. All he does is stop 1 attack, which makes chains with a bodyguard kind of weak. If a Werewolf for example attacks the bodyguard, whoever the bodyguard is chaining with will die to the rampage because bodyguard doesn't protect from indirect attacks.
Once a vamp tried to bite me, bg saved me and attacked the vamp, but vamp got healed so yeahh
My personal favorite game was when I killed the entire mafia and almost the entire coven as a pirate. I was doing really well on my duels and I decided to just keep hunting. For some reason nobody killed me despite they could have but they just let me kill every single maf and almost all of the coven.
The fact that Ambusher can't go on maf is honestly just straight up stupid. Ambusher should be like the maf BG of sorts.
I'm not really sure about GA's rating. I think it should drop to A, maybe B. I base this on the fact that most of the time a GA is expected to protect n1 to confirm themselves. If people are paying attention to d1 whispers, then your protect is pretty much always wasted n1. Losing half your actions just to confirm yourself I think is pretty bad. IMO GA's should be auto confirmed at the start of the game so they can actually use both their protects. It's still a good role but I wouldn't put it in S tier.
yeah I never really understood why ambusher couldn't go on other maf
This mans in the future. that's what 3 ping gets ya
OSRS music *chef's kiss"
jester has to be the most fun role in the game for me. the absolute chaos u can cause with that role is hysterical. its literally INCENTIVIZING bad play, how many video games do that
GA is one of the few roles that can stop an attack from pest with no real consequences
A crusader chain can also stop a pest attack with no consequences
@@Froge4291 yes, that's why I stated one of the few roles
Poisoner can maybe force a doc off of someone else for coven to get that kill.
Usually in a game it's not long before surv dies. No one trusts a surv so I just remember surv as an amne becuz I'm technically on everyone's side
I just had an idea for a small Mayor overhaul - if a Godfather had the option to, at the price of not killing anyone that night, to visit the Mayor and "bribe" them, essentially changing their alignment to make them an agent of the Mafia. This would probably mean the day after the mayor reveals, there will be a huge debate if the Mafia didn't make a kill about whether they hit an immune, whether the Mayor should be killed off - I think it would be chaotic and fun but with the power afforded to mayor it would give the Mafia majority far too early. Maybe for balance, mayor should be able to investigate people to specifically see if they are gf lol
@@justanormalguy9744 technically there’s town traitor
*Throws a bag of money at the mayor*
“Oi,join our side,heard us?”
“Ok.”
“Wait really?”
“Yeah,i'll do it,you got money ”
“...”
*Night god i dunno.*
“HELLO THERE EVERYONE!”
“You got our Blackmailer lynched,Godfather,WHY DID YOU GET THE MAYOR HERE?”
“Hey,it's fine,we got this.”
Bg is c or d tier with doc
I really wish ambushes could ambush on your own maf. I had a game recently where we had mafioso, consig, consort, and ambusher (me). Our mafioso however kept getting roleblocked, and it would be so great for me to just go on my mafioso and get rid of that escort
Great video as always :) - Brim
i got suspended on ToS because on day 2, although confirmed veteran, still lynched. i was getting cc’d by a crusader, and they reported me for throwing
Oh man what are all these roles, it’s been too long since I’ve played
Wait... Pipe can time travel?! I thought it was still 2021!
Hmm.. i wonder if anyone has ever had a Pirate Doctor synergy before. Where a pirate works with a doctor to plunder harmlessly
If all that matters is "jester must win" if jester had defence S+ every time, but being killed so easily + just being exe but weaker S or A++ is fine
Hey pipe can a forger forge someone as pestilence? And if yes can an amnesiac remember that role and have a double pestilence game?
You remember original role, not the forged
@@beku8726 that's sad. I would like to see a double pest win
I tried to forge as pest once, sadly you can't and it automatically changes it to forger which is dumb
@@Smashedhiskeyboardupinthewoods wow that really sucks. I would just like to see some crazy 2 pests at once since they can't kill eachother at all
Had a triple arso game today in coven all any.. yeah we won that game
I disagree with survivor. My #1 most total wins for neutral roles is survivor. And I NEVER claim survivor. I usually claim town invest claims and scum read, it relatively easy to do so. I CONTROL the flow of the game, by lynching who I want, and pushing the game along. Almost every survivor game I play I win.
Once I had a 4 arso game lol very balanced and fair indeed
Usually I get myself lynched early as jest because it's easier for me but the one time I had a late game jest win out of my 10 jest wins was so funny
6 people left.
Pm just died to vet leaving medium with loads of dead chat, confirmed vet, amne who just turned Ret and a psy with accurate visions. And me, jest claiming surv. Logically, you would go for the surv claim so they did. After I got hung I whisper to the psy claim saying I'll kill the vet for them. Medium and all the dead town were screaming at me to kill the Psy claim because it would speed up the game. I say nah and kill vet. Dusa kills the Ret and I kill the veteran off like I promised. Dusa goes on to kill med and win
The dusa loved me xd
I say a buff to jugg would be for one of there upgrades be powerful defense
Didn’t include that technically, trappers could confirm townies.
I played a game of Town of Salem and was Exocutioner. Managed to win pretty early and was not that well versed in exactly knowing 100% what to do.
Isn’t sk just an objectively worst godfather…?
I agree that Disguiser is pretty bad in Coven all any, but in ranked I think its pretty interesting when it comes to countering jailor meta when you have something like a bmer
Am I the only person who likes Hypno. When I get Hypno I get excited and happy to get the role. I love the easy fake claims, getting people trust by claiming a TP role. It's really fun for me
I say jester is S+ because it’s fun, really easy for me, boosts my acting ego, and then once ur dead u get to just watch everyone else do their thing while u relax
How many times can a person change roles in one game,
My record is 3 roles: Amnesiac - Guardian Angel - Survivor.
I guess Amne - Exe - Jest is also an option.
Maybe Amne - Average Non Killing / Ambusher Mafia - Mafioso could also work.
Amne - PB - Pest
Had a Sextuple arsonist game (we killed 5 people n1 due to 1 person igniting and the others dousing others.)
Dunno, I feel like ranking on impact isn't all that helpful? I'd just rank on ability to get their win condition?
HEY YO heres a disg combo that doesnt make disguiser F tier, If you have a disguiser plus an ambusher, your ambusher becomes pretty poewrful, heres an example. The disguiser disguised the Ambusher as the Doctor. The ambusher went on the Survivor. An Invest and a Tracker went on the survivor. The Invest gets killed, the Tracker sees a message "YOU SAW THE DOCTOR PREPATE AN AMBUSH" you say you saw doc was ambushed, town lynches doc, than town might think the Tracker is suspicous for calling out the Doctor, and they might lynch the Tracker. BOOM that's a good scenario right. That's the ONLY THING, I can think of for Diguiser. At least it's not completely useless.
A h a h
Sadly they still see the real ambusher’s name
Seriously wonder why they can’t disguise the name, though.
@@GrayKnightVA :/
Disg: *counters most TIs*
Pipe: and thus is why this role is one of the worst
9:24 nobody will know who u rbd as consort if u rbd an sk. that's wrong entire mafia knows who sk is then with a simple look in the night chat.
Maybe you should specify this list is for coven all any!
My favorite Forger play is a simple one - on N2, before anyone knew there was a forger, I forged a Spy into Jester so their results couldn't be trusted. Maf won that game because of that.
Sauron's an easy S+ for me