Wtf!? You guys literally did all the basses! Major props for comparing all of them since no other video has done this. I wish I could be there and try them out with you. You guys are very lucky
I love the fact that you guys didn't slap the crap out of the basses you were testing, which is usually what happens during bass reviews Keep up the good work!
@@khumomoruke9324 Here’s a nice little history factoid. Fender named it the “Jazz Bass” because it was released as the companion instrument to the then new Jazzmaster double-offset body guitar.
Nick, always one of my favorite players on this channel. Both of you did a fantastic job showing the versatility in tones of the cornucopia of Jazz Basses you shared. Bravo- though I am somewhat late to the party
Will, thank you for that comment on Geddy Lee's targeted use of the bridge pickup on his '72 Jazz to replicate the Rickenbacker 4001 sound during the recording of "Moving Pictures." Such cool insight and backstory.
was really really loving the sound of the /discontinued/ american deluxe and not at all liking the sound of the american elite. BUT he was right, youtube audio is compressed so now i have to make it a life goal to get my hand on one and try it out
I have a Fender Standard Jazz Bass and a Squier Vintage Modified Jazz Bass, at some points I do think that the Squire one is as good as the Fender one, I would say the Squier is more attractive to get such quality at this price.
When I was buying my bass last year (2018), I had quite a dilemma between the Vintage Modified and the Affinity. Despite the lower price, there were some features I actually preferred in the cheaper Affinity, and in the end, I chose it. I have been really happy with it: the playability, the ergonomics, the weight, the satin-finish neck, and the fit and finish. What surprised me most was that I didn't have to compromise on the sound. I think it sounds excellent, at least equal to the VM, if not better. It growls. And I was happy to see that It fared really well next to the more expensive basses in this test.
Never understood the hate for the MIM Fenders. I had an active MIM J-Bass from 2003-2008. I haven't played since then, so when I decided to pick bass back up, I knew I only wanted back in the Fender family. I wanted better than Affinity, but knew I couldn't afford an American Performer. I looked hard at Classic Vibe 70's and Vintera. I just couldn't make my fingers go where I wanted them on the P-Bass, so I knew it would be a Jazz for me. I couldn't justify the Vintera, so I landed on the Player J-Bass. I got a good deal on one (local store was remodeling, they lost the truss rod and pickup allen wrenches, so they knocked 50 bucks off). Absolutely love it. It just feels RIGHT in my hands. And, BTW, I have no problems with MIM instruments. The Mexicans have been building stringed instruments for 500 years, I think they know what they're doing.
Great work as always. It's cool to see how the affordable basses stack up against the higher end ones (Squire vs. Fender), and it's something that not everybody shows, so kudos. Those of us who want to play and still afford groceries appreciate it. Unfortunately the necks on Squire and Fender basses are just too meaty for my tastes. Being an Ibanez fan, is there any chance of showing the GIO Mikro, GIO, and Soundgear basses?
Bassic Gear Review Oooooooh, that's a good one too. I've been eyeballing a SUB Ray5, so I'm down for a MM comparison. Hopefully the necks are slim and fast.
Bassic Gear Review Ever thought of doing a comparison between as much (different, rather than same but at different price points )fretless basses you can find?
If you like thinner necks, you should definitely try a Japanese/Mexican Geddy Lee signature. The necks on those are much thinner than your typical jazz.
Awesome video. I have a Squier Vintage Modified that I got in a trade recently, and I love how awesome it sounds. IT actually plays and sounds better than the mexican standard my buddy owns. I got Aguilar 70s pickups+emerson wiring harness and an upgraded bridge that I plan to drop into the bass.
The difference man is quality the American instruments are made right along side the custom shop stuff in Corona California and the Americans feel loads better especially the necks a squire doesnt complete with a MIM let alone a 2000$ American fender
@@kylemaneage468 that's very true and you do get the quality of the woods and good sound but I don't have reason to spend out 2000 plus on something that isn't used every day and I'm more than happy with my squires and play and sound great!
@@maurobtx2314 I agree too. Just bought a vintage vibe 70's jazz. Amazing deal for cheap. They could put fender stickers on them and nobody would complain
The only people who think this are people who only own Squier. Not that they’re bad Basses, but comparing them favorably to an American Fender is just ridiculous.
There is no other video on youtube comparing the american standard vs professional. Congrats. I would like to see more about it. My first thought is that the professional is more confortable, but sounds less growly and less punchy... I'm I wrong?
The American Elite and the Mexican Geddy Lee signature basses sound better than you think. I own the Geddy signature, and my uncle has an Elite, and they sounded good. Not sure what happened, maybe the strings or the amp
I know right!? Their mexican geddy lee sounded awful, very puny and without any gnarl/bite, it almost sounded like a non-geddy lee. My mexican one sounds much better and rather like the american geddy lee in this video.
The “slap switch” cuts mids while boosting deep lows and and top end. What you’re perceiving as more midrange is actually the sum of more bass and treble. Play it in a full band mix, then you’ll hear less bass guitar while playing fingerstyle, and more bass guitar while slapping. Oh, and thanks for making such a great video. It’s probably time to do another one with the newest 2022 line up… if you can find a shop with more than two actual Fender basses in stock.
The American Standard kills. The Pro has the same tone but i don't know if you changed something on the recording stuff, but there is a big output difference between them.
Will, what type of jaguar bass do you own?? I have the squier vintage modified jaguar bass special, with the active electronics, pretty nice bass for $200 at the time.
Will has the right idea. Just buy a Squier, or a Mexican fender if brands are that important to you, and just throw in some of your favorite pickups and maybe a preamp if you're into the active stuff. At the end of the day, you'll have a bass that sounds like you want it to for cheaper than an American elite or whatever. I could understand buying an Geddy Lee USA though. That thing sounds amazing.
hi: excellent video. Thanks for sharing. I need your advice. For you which bass has the best sound quality and playability : squire vintage modified 70 jazz, Fender deluxe active jazz MIM or the fender jazz 70s classic MIM? thanks in advance for your response. God bless you
USA geddy sounds nicest, followed by mex geddy, flea, and squier classic vibe, but all are SUPER close in terms of really great tone. Classic vibe is seriously great, and right up there with the fenders for sure in terms of tone. Which would I rather buy: Squier classic vibe (bang for the buck, up there with the fenders with tone), mex geddy, then USA geddy, cos it's super expensive.
Hi Nick , I start bass lessons in a few days.My Squire has a badly bowed neck so I'm going to buy a Fender.Would the Performer Precision bass be a good place to start? I have the money so there's no problem getting it.
I don’t really know anything about basses but I’m interested in learning how to play so could you explain to me what the cable it’s plugged to is for. Is it for a speaker? And is it required to play the instrument
Personally, after the classic vibe, I don't hear a dramatic improvement in sound quality. Only thing that seems to change drastically is the Fender USA Geddy Lee Signature, which if anything, is just a very different character in sound. Not worse or better, just different. And I honestly prefer the sound of a more typical jazz bass more, even though I'm a huge Geddy Lee fan. But I'll share, there typically comes a point where you're not really upgrading sound in most guitars and basses after a certain price point, because there isn't much more you can do to the constituent parts of a pickup: a magnet, wire, bobbins, etc. Of course it has everything to do with what kind and how they're wound, but all that to say, after a certain price, you usually will always have decent pickups, and typically are paying more for a better feeling, more stable, or better looking instrument more than anything.
I almost spit my coffee out at 46:25 “Oh Christ!” Lol I’m saving up for a Geddy Lee bass; I prefer the look of the Mexican one but that American one is hard to pass up. They both sound excellent.
Did anybody notice that flea's neck does not fit well? There is a huge asymmetric. Compare the space between G string and edge of the neck and the same at the E string. ruclips.net/video/6Mo1tY-abAg/видео.html Seems like neck' bolts are loose and neck bent clockwise. Look at the gap between body and neck (left side). but.. this one sounds best to me) (sorry for bad english)
Eddyjay Illich If you want a brighter tone, the Squier VM would probably be the one for you because of the maple body. Fender Standards almost always have alder bodies and have a more "neutral" tone.
Just like in the P bass video they seem to justify each step up in prize. I wish they would conclude that some of the cheaper basses totally catch up with the more expensive ones.
I personally didn't hear an extreme difference between the American standard and the American proffesional, it might have been just the way that they were playing, because they should have had the same person play the same thing on each for those two atleast. There might have been something I didn't catch though, but is there much of a reaon to pay $500 more for the pro than the standard?
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Squier Affinity 2:31 Squier Vintage Modified 5:21 Squier Vintage Modified Fretless-9:06 Squier Classic Vibe-13:54 Squier Deluxe 17:15 Fender Standard -20:38 Fender Deluxe Okume 23:45 Fender American Standard/Professional-27:43 Fender American Deluxe/Elite 31:24 Fender Flea Signature - 36:59 Fender Geddy Lee Signature 41:53 Fender USA Geddy Lee Signature -46:21
Wtf!? You guys literally did all the basses! Major props for comparing all of them since no other video has done this. I wish I could be there and try them out with you. You guys are very lucky
Playing samples only:
Squier Affinity 3:04 Squier Vintage Modified 6:16 Squier Vintage Modified Fretless 10:04 Squier Classic Vibe 14:38 Squier Deluxe 18:07 Fender Standard 21:24 Fender Deluxe Okume 25:09 Fender American Standard 29:11 Professional 29:38 Fender American Deluxe 34:19 Fender American Elite 35:58 Fender Flea Signature 39:40 Fender Geddy Lee Signature 43:23 Fender USA Geddy Lee Signature 48:22
A 12" radius will be FLATTER, not have more curvature, as you stated.
Higher radius number = flatter surface.
American Geddy Lee signature sounded best to me. Otherwise they almost all sounded similar, too similar to justify the price of an American Elite.
I love the fact that you guys didn't slap the crap out of the basses you were testing, which is usually what happens during bass reviews
Keep up the good work!
Seiken totally agree. Slap is punish the poor instrument, just to be percusive..... Chris Squire ie the answer.
When i see a revew is more usefull with a basic lines it alow hear the bass sound not the tecnic
But it's a jazz bass though
Its okay they did not. But, for a more accurate review, they NEED TO SLAP A JAZZ. So, please.
@@khumomoruke9324 Here’s a nice little history factoid. Fender named it the “Jazz Bass” because it was released as the companion instrument to the then new Jazzmaster double-offset body guitar.
OH GAWD, in love with the american geddy lee! Pure 70's tone
Nick, always one of my favorite players on this channel.
Both of you did a fantastic job showing the versatility in tones of the cornucopia of Jazz Basses you shared.
Bravo- though I am somewhat late to the party
Nice work boys. The flea bass and the Geddy USA sounded excellent!
This is great. Hearing the same riff played on numerous basses back to back really tells you a lot.
I’m not a bassist, but the Geddy Lee USA Jazz Bass is my dream bass. I was also very impressed with the Squier Affinity and Classic Vibe.
Same here! I also love how they played some Rush and Primus-esque bass lines on it.
Found a sweet Fender signature Flea Jazz. Unbelievably tempted to buy it, sounds great in the demo. This may be the determining factor
Did you end up buying it?
Will, thank you for that comment on Geddy Lee's targeted use of the bridge pickup on his '72 Jazz to replicate the Rickenbacker 4001 sound during the recording of "Moving Pictures." Such cool insight and backstory.
You guys are killing it with these reviews- keep up the great work!
+Lewis Peralta Thank you so much!
I feel like the vintage modified 70s is just as good as the MIM stuff, great review!!
was really really loving the sound of the /discontinued/ american deluxe and not at all liking the sound of the american elite. BUT he was right, youtube audio is compressed so now i have to make it a life goal to get my hand on one and try it out
I have a Fender Standard Jazz Bass and a Squier Vintage Modified Jazz Bass, at some points I do think that the Squire one is as good as the Fender one, I would say the Squier is more attractive to get such quality at this price.
Very nice video
That Geddy Lee USA killed it btw
When I was buying my bass last year (2018), I had quite a dilemma between the Vintage Modified and the Affinity. Despite the lower price, there were some features I actually preferred in the cheaper Affinity, and in the end, I chose it. I have been really happy with it: the playability, the ergonomics, the weight, the satin-finish neck, and the fit and finish. What surprised me most was that I didn't have to compromise on the sound. I think it sounds excellent, at least equal to the VM, if not better. It growls. And I was happy to see that It fared really well next to the more expensive basses in this test.
I honestly like the sound of a couple squiers better than most fenders
+Leiria65 The Classic Vibes are great!
TRUE
I liked them too... i wonder how much the youtube compression affects the tonal comparisons
Leiria65 because they use old 60' and 70' circuitry and picks on them...
That's what playing music is all about, It's what You hear, and like that sets everyone apart
Nice thorough video! Enjoyed it. 12 inch radius has less curvature than 9.5. Smaller circles curve more over smaller distance
You guys do an excelent work. Thank you for your effort!
Man, I want one of those vintage modified basses. Love that natural finish. And, it sounds great - I'm impressed, Squire.
Squier jazz black is GOOOOD!!!!!
The two fretted 4-string Squiers at the start were the best sounding basses of the lot, with Fender American Elite a very close third.
KAKAKSKSKSKAKAKAKAKAK LOOOLLLL AUSJSIJSISJSUSSUSHSUSHSH
@@viniciusvilaca4616 drunk?
Never understood the hate for the MIM Fenders. I had an active MIM J-Bass from 2003-2008. I haven't played since then, so when I decided to pick bass back up, I knew I only wanted back in the Fender family. I wanted better than Affinity, but knew I couldn't afford an American Performer. I looked hard at Classic Vibe 70's and Vintera. I just couldn't make my fingers go where I wanted them on the P-Bass, so I knew it would be a Jazz for me. I couldn't justify the Vintera, so I landed on the Player J-Bass. I got a good deal on one (local store was remodeling, they lost the truss rod and pickup allen wrenches, so they knocked 50 bucks off). Absolutely love it. It just feels RIGHT in my hands. And, BTW, I have no problems with MIM instruments. The Mexicans have been building stringed instruments for 500 years, I think they know what they're doing.
Squier really surprised me, specially the Affinity. Affordable and very good sounding. Awesome comparison! Cheers!
Great work as always.
It's cool to see how the affordable basses stack up against the higher end ones (Squire vs. Fender), and it's something that not everybody shows, so kudos. Those of us who want to play and still afford groceries appreciate it.
Unfortunately the necks on Squire and Fender basses are just too meaty for my tastes.
Being an Ibanez fan, is there any chance of showing the GIO Mikro, GIO, and Soundgear basses?
Ryan Perry We'll see what we can do. It all comes down to what's available to us. We're thinking about Music Man next.
Bassic Gear Review Oooooooh, that's a good one too. I've been eyeballing a SUB Ray5, so I'm down for a MM comparison. Hopefully the necks are slim and fast.
Bassic Gear Review Ever thought of doing a comparison between as much (different, rather than same but at different price points )fretless basses you can find?
Ryan Perry We haven't. At the moment, we only have access to one fretless. Hopefully that will change in the future.
If you like thinner necks, you should definitely try a Japanese/Mexican Geddy Lee signature. The necks on those are much thinner than your typical jazz.
Man... great licks (both of you) on the fretless. I never wanted one before, but now I do.
Awesome video. I have a Squier Vintage Modified that I got in a trade recently, and I love how awesome it sounds. IT actually plays and sounds better than the mexican standard my buddy owns. I got Aguilar 70s pickups+emerson wiring harness and an upgraded bridge that I plan to drop into the bass.
USA Geddy Lee is amazing!
Great video! To be honest not much difference in the sound from the American ones to the Squire, i have a Squire jazz bass and love it
The difference man is quality the American instruments are made right along side the custom shop stuff in Corona California and the Americans feel loads better especially the necks a squire doesnt complete with a MIM let alone a 2000$ American fender
I also own that tobacco sunburst fretless squire is very good for 300$
@@kylemaneage468 that's very true and you do get the quality of the woods and good sound but I don't have reason to spend out 2000 plus on something that isn't used every day and I'm more than happy with my squires and play and sound great!
American standard , I'm getting that one soon ( with rosewood neck ) . Great opening , straight tone run through with each bass . Nice
God bless for the comparison.
I love your guys videos so in depth no bull**** shows everything we wanna see keel it up look forward to your next
Wow, fantastic video! I'm really digging this kind of comparison side by side stuff. Thank you!
Best Jazz Bass video ever
I have a Squier 70"s jazz,and I've had a few affinities,I've said it many times,SQUIER is just as good as Fender if not better in some cases
Aaron Davis i have the same and i agree!!
@@maurobtx2314 I agree too. Just bought a vintage vibe 70's jazz. Amazing deal for cheap. They could put fender stickers on them and nobody would complain
The only people who think this are people who only own Squier.
Not that they’re bad Basses, but comparing them favorably to an American Fender is just ridiculous.
Loved the video! You guys do a great job with the demos and comparisons. 17:35 12” radius is flatter than 9.5.
There is no other video on youtube comparing the american standard vs professional. Congrats. I would like to see more about it. My first thought is that the professional is more confortable, but sounds less growly and less punchy... I'm I wrong?
The American Elite and the Mexican Geddy Lee signature basses sound better than you think. I own the Geddy signature, and my uncle has an Elite, and they sounded good. Not sure what happened, maybe the strings or the amp
I know right!? Their mexican geddy lee sounded awful, very puny and without any gnarl/bite, it almost sounded like a non-geddy lee. My mexican one sounds much better and rather like the american geddy lee in this video.
The licks you are playing are all amazing.. nice comparison guys well done
The “slap switch” cuts mids while boosting deep lows and and top end. What you’re perceiving as more midrange is actually the sum of more bass and treble. Play it in a full band mix, then you’ll hear less bass guitar while playing fingerstyle, and more bass guitar while slapping. Oh, and thanks for making such a great video. It’s probably time to do another one with the newest 2022 line up… if you can find a shop with more than two actual Fender basses in stock.
What an Awsome video! Can't believe how good the squier modified vintage sound and look for the price
best looking and quality price: the american standard sunburst and maple fingerboard jb
Realmente disfruté muchísimo oir a ambos tocar el Squier Fretless Jazz Bass. Muchas Gracias!
Great vid guys. I'm a total jazz bass fanatic. Just got one of the new Sire Marcus Miller V3 J basses and it is way sick. Padaro Lane Carpenteria!
American elite in passive mode.. miam miam
I really dreamed of having a bass guitar like this but it was impossible for me ... everything was just a dream !!!!
Classic vibe
The American Standard kills. The Pro has the same tone but i don't know if you changed something on the recording stuff, but there is a big output difference between them.
Any difference in strings for these? All SS - some nickel? Great vid guys!!
Fav = Am Deluxe - great growl, and love the blocks!!
Made a big play of saying "Basswood" ... twice.. for the Classic Vibe. What a wood snob you are ! The CV sounded great.
Love your videos. Fantastic work!
Will, what type of jaguar bass do you own?? I have the squier vintage modified jaguar bass special, with the active electronics, pretty nice bass for $200 at the time.
I have the same exact one! I agree, for the price I was definitely impressed.
Will has the right idea. Just buy a Squier, or a Mexican fender if brands are that important to you, and just throw in some of your favorite pickups and maybe a preamp if you're into the active stuff. At the end of the day, you'll have a bass that sounds like you want it to for cheaper than an American elite or whatever. I could understand buying an Geddy Lee USA though. That thing sounds amazing.
hi: excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
I need your advice. For you which bass has the best sound quality and playability : squire vintage modified 70 jazz, Fender deluxe active jazz MIM or the fender jazz 70s classic MIM?
thanks in advance for your response.
God bless you
No squire VM 77 jazz?
USA geddy sounds nicest, followed by mex geddy, flea, and squier classic vibe, but all are SUPER close in terms of really great tone. Classic vibe is seriously great, and right up there with the fenders for sure in terms of tone.
Which would I rather buy: Squier classic vibe (bang for the buck, up there with the fenders with tone), mex geddy, then USA geddy, cos it's super expensive.
The Squiers are made by Fender. Hence we get the best of both worlds at a fraction of the price!
These are awesome, don't stop making them! can y'all get your hands on a fender American standard jaguar bass? Would love to hear y'all's take on it
If we come across one, we'll definitely do a video!
REALLY great video. Kinda long but it has to be to cover all the cool basses. Thanks guys
I would not trade my Squier vm 70s for MIM fender any day of the week
Hi Nick , I start bass lessons in a few days.My Squire has a badly bowed neck so I'm going to buy a Fender.Would the Performer Precision bass be a good place to start? I have the money so there's no problem getting it.
Nice work guys. But you should show some vintage stuff too, along with some reissue relic style and of course the mighty marcus miller signature bass
Those maple bodied Squier are VM basses are the best bass out there for the money.
I don’t really know anything about basses but I’m interested in learning how to play so could you explain to me what the cable it’s plugged to is for. Is it for a speaker? And is it required to play the instrument
Personally, after the classic vibe, I don't hear a dramatic improvement in sound quality. Only thing that seems to change drastically is the Fender USA Geddy Lee Signature, which if anything, is just a very different character in sound. Not worse or better, just different. And I honestly prefer the sound of a more typical jazz bass more, even though I'm a huge Geddy Lee fan. But I'll share, there typically comes a point where you're not really upgrading sound in most guitars and basses after a certain price point, because there isn't much more you can do to the constituent parts of a pickup: a magnet, wire, bobbins, etc. Of course it has everything to do with what kind and how they're wound, but all that to say, after a certain price, you usually will always have decent pickups, and typically are paying more for a better feeling, more stable, or better looking instrument more than anything.
I almost spit my coffee out at 46:25
“Oh Christ!” Lol
I’m saving up for a Geddy Lee bass; I prefer the look of the Mexican one but that American one is hard to pass up. They both sound excellent.
Muy bueno el sonido
flea, squier VM and US geedy lee for me
Vety good basses. Actually very smooth playing too. Great review guys.
Excelent!
Lakland Skyline 44-51 vs Fender Am. Special please!
You´re the man Will
Muy buena comparación. Gracias.
Thatwasfun. The USA Geddy Lee Signature by a mile followed by the Flea bass
How are you recording these? Through a preamp, di-box, amp? Great vid, btw!
rabbiss All the basses are running through an Ampeg B100R Rocket Bass Amp, mic'd with a Shure Beta 52.
Great video, as always
very interesting compare ... but why playing in a demo video if you re not able to play properly? Especially the second one
You're wrong about the Getty Lee Story he did not use the front pick up on all the songs on moving pictures he only did on limelight
So good! now I want a jazz lol
Did anybody notice that flea's neck does not fit well? There is a huge asymmetric. Compare the space between G string and edge of the neck and the same at the E string.
ruclips.net/video/6Mo1tY-abAg/видео.html
Seems like neck' bolts are loose and neck bent clockwise. Look at the gap between body and neck (left side).
but.. this one sounds best to me)
(sorry for bad english)
Where is dimensions bass?
Are those real block inlays on the Vintage Modified?
Yes
What is your choice for modern metal between these two?: Squier Vintage Modified vs Fender Standard. No matter if I have to change pickups.
Eddyjay Illich
If you want a brighter tone, the Squier VM would probably be the one for you because of the maple body. Fender Standards almost always have alder bodies and have a more "neutral" tone.
For metal sterling/stingray has more bottom end and balls.
classic vibe or vintage modified?
Holy shit I need that jaco style squier
Great video, congratulations!!!!!!!
Just like in the P bass video they seem to justify each step up in prize. I wish they would conclude that some of the cheaper basses totally catch up with the more expensive ones.
Well, the reason is: They don't. Even if they are really nice instruments.
Fender American Standard for me :)
Picking’sounds plz 😁
Best video ever! nice one bassic gear!
you forget about my lovely Aerodyne jazz bass :( !!!
Ac. Bassman Unfortunately, we didn't have access to one.
:C
Geddy Lee and American Elite you used old strings :/
Nice comparisons.
Definitely.
I bet the fretless had flatwounds on. Rounds on all the others though?
airscorp They actually all had rounds.
Bassic Gear Review I heard Jaco also used rounds on his fretless so it kinda makes sense. :)
bflo1000 Over time, yes.
bflo1000 Not if you have proper technique and avoid bending strings.
I was thinking of buying a Schecter Stiletto bass or a Fender Player but after watching this video i will stay with my Squier Affinity.
6:16 14:38 21:24 29:11 34:19 43:27
the best is classic 70'
I'm thinking of getting the Squier Classic Vibes 70s jazz bass. It's got a nice sound!
USA Geddy Lee for the win!!
It's really cool!!!! Nice review~~~
I personally didn't hear an extreme difference between the American standard and the American proffesional, it might have been just the way that they were playing, because they should have had the same person play the same thing on each for those two atleast. There might have been something I didn't catch though, but is there much of a reaon to pay $500 more for the pro than the standard?
Caleb Taylor. That's because they are the same model.
Rip American Standard :’(