His story is less sad and more frustrating IMO. Vincent blames himself for the actions of egotistical people people like Lucrecia and Hojo. He was wronged and could only manage punish himself, and that's something that he sadly never gets over.
@@victorteste5325 I mean he kinda stood idly by whilst his partner went from scientist to science experiment. It wasn't until she went crazy that he was finally like 'Alright fuck Shinra and being a Turk, I gotta do something', then he gets immediately shot. Kinda thing can give a man serious feelings of failure and inadequacy, a theme which underpins most of the major characters of FF7.
People like to use words randomly without knowing the meaning. An edgelord is someone being edgy to look cool, a poser. In Vincent´s case he´s a tragic character, he´s a kind man whose life has been ruined and has a heavy weight on his shoulders. As we see in Dirge of Cerberus almost all events in FFVII are Lucretia´s and Hojo´s fault, he blames himself for not stop her. When he finally tried it was too late, he was killed and turned into a demon and after that he lost her. The poor guy has severe trauma.
Well, the real (human) Sephiroth's physical body is currently encased in a mako cocoon in the Northern Crater, and the "Sephiroth(s)" that Cloud and company have been running into throughout the game are actually lopped off pieces of JENOVA that took on the form of Sephiroth as they are controlled by his will. So technically, Vincent wasn't ENTIRELY lying to Lucrecia when he told her that Sephiroth was dead.
he was never alive, sephiroth was always a part of jenova, it's what made him special and so strong, sphiroth was cloned from jenova cells that was discovered by hojo and gast, that's what you kids never understands about the lore of this game, when we were chasong him in the game, we weren't jenova ramanents, we were chasing the will of jenova that made the projection of sephiroth as a body host until jenova's goal was reached
@@questcore636 You are right. In fact, the planet and Jenova are at ancient and colossal battle since she arrived via the meteor 2000 years prior. Everyone and everything, including Cloud and Sephiroth, are just puppets (but I don't think Jenova's will is conscious, it's more like a disease). Sephiroth was the 'Chosen one' in that he had the strongest connection to her. FF7 Remake adds more to this overall story. The edge of creation shows the inevitable demise of the planet (the planet is more like trying to suppress the disease that is Jenova, rather than stop it entirely, which it knows it cannot do but tries to prolong its life through it's own creation called fate (which carries negative lifestream in it anyways)). Advent children at the end shows that in 500 years, all human life is gone from the planet. The planet and Jenova care not for human life or timescales, rather, they are at simply fighting each other over millenias. Sephiroth dying gives her another tool to have him cast meteor, which causes geostigma to add negative lifestream to the planet and give her more strength. His death ultimately doesn't matter to Jenova either, it's just a job. Jenova will win ultimately. FF7R explores the possibility that Shinra can be defeated, Jenova can be defeated, and humans can beat their fate and live more than a mere 500 years. Possibly remove Jenova from the planet itself and save the planet from its own fate. But- in my humble opinion, I don't think it will be a happy ending. The planet wants to keep fate going to prolong its life, and Jenova will want to keep the planet diseased to survive until its eventual demise and then move on to another planet. The lifestream will eventually abandon the planet and go to another, just as it attempted to in Dirge of Cerebres.
@@questcore636No, this is incorrect. The Sephiroth the party chases throughout the first half of the game is the body of Jenova in Sephiroth's form, under the control of Sephiroth himself. While in the Lifestream Sephiroth developed the ability to exert his will over that of Jenova. Jenova at this point in the story is basically mindless.
You know, if Lucrecia had been allowed to raise Sephiroth, to hold him in her arms like a true mother, I wonder how differently this story would have ended.
@@Dio____Brando you're thinking of AFTER Seph got stabbed by Cloud and getting blended up into a Jenova Smoothie in the lifestream. What the OP is speculating is if how any of that could be prevented. Which it cant. Seph's "mother complex" is not some result of bad upbringing its the jenova cells activating in his brain. He wasnt simply just "going crazy"
Probably wouldn’t have worshiped a insane space alien as his mother as much if he already had a, hopefully caring, mom in his life. Kinda like Angeal and Genesis.
@@FOOD2o After Aerith's death they needed a cheerful female character to balance things out again. Aerith wasn't exactly cheerful but she was optimistic though
@@FOOD2o Eh. Yuffie watched her once great country get taken over by force and turned into a tourist trap by Shinra. Her entire culture was snuffed out. She lost a lot as well.
I wish that we could tell her sephiroth is alive, or at least explain somewhat. She seems to feel that he is alive, because of her link with Jenova. I know Vincent is trying to make it less painful for her, but I don't feel he is doing the right thing. She would want to know the truth about her child, even if it's painful. Sephiroth may be separated from his body, but his will is distinct from Jenova, he isn't dead in the way that the game defines death. I wish for both Lucretia and sephiroth's that they should know each other are alive.
I dont think so,Sephiroth supposedly read all about the experiment in the manor and still he considers Jenova his mother,i dont think that he really cares about Lucrecia's state at all,maybe if he met her before he lost his mind...but now its too late,and i dont think she would be happier knowing that his son is trying to destroy the whole planet instead of being dead,remember that she is inmortal and will need to deal with that forever
I hope so,i think Lucrecia's story needs a little more development,even in Dige of Cerberus where it was expanded it still felt weird af,like they dont really give you a good reason for her doing the experiment,it feels like she just did it because she was mad at Vincent which isn't really a logic reason and then she spent the rest of her life crying in a cave like wtf? 😂
lol i really don't get people thinking vincent was the father, when the game spells it out for them, guess kids needs everything in writing now to understand literature, hojo even said it himself at reactor No. 8 he was the father "imagine how mad sephiroth would be if he knew i'm his father" "that's why i'm going to help him get all the mako energy he needs"
People call Lucrecia a monster like Hojo was the one caressing his belly and then shown hanging his head behind her silently while she declared they were scientists. And that Vincent doesn't narrate it was Gast and Hojo, and that he couldn't save her. And that she doesn't have an ounce of self-loathing about any of that. She was pretty clearly a victim in the whole thing, even if she didn't try to escape like Ilfana/Zack.
@@elizabethchint2391 I don't think wanting to protect someone you care about from some evil shitstain scientist who's basically the anime equivalent of Joseph Mengele qualifies as simping. You do you though.
I'm suffering Mandela effect. But I remember this scene being longer. Like after Vincent says that sephiroth is dead. She immediately enters a state of panic and starts screaming. Then Vincent tries to calm her with one party member saying "why did you lie" and Vincent responds by saying "I will tell her the truth, but I want to get her out of here first"
…Nowhere is it mentioned they got married? Just that they got together. Hojo always refers to her as “the/that woman”, never her name nor “wife”. And neither Lucrecia nor Vincent refer to Hojo as her husband. Though if I completely missed where it’s said or shown somewhere do let me know.
Anyone else want this whole thing to be a scene at some point in the FF7 Remake?
After the ending, I'm alittle worried
jotaro kujo Why ? It’ll probably get retconned anyway.
@@jotarokujo4178 there's is going to be a part 2
This is the piece I want to see
Of course yes
I really want to see this expanded in Part 3. Let's see why Lucretia chose so poorly
I’m wearing headphones so when that gun shot happened I peed a little
My neighbour called the police
I know people call him an edge lord but he probably has the saddest story in the game besides Cloud and Barret
I think calling him an edgelord is exaggerating, since he's not an obnoxious jerk, just a character that doesn't manifest any personality or emotion
@@yorha19F True, but sadly people don't think that
His story is less sad and more frustrating IMO. Vincent blames himself for the actions of egotistical people people like Lucrecia and Hojo. He was wronged and could only manage punish himself, and that's something that he sadly never gets over.
@@victorteste5325 I mean he kinda stood idly by whilst his partner went from scientist to science experiment. It wasn't until she went crazy that he was finally like 'Alright fuck Shinra and being a Turk, I gotta do something', then he gets immediately shot.
Kinda thing can give a man serious feelings of failure and inadequacy, a theme which underpins most of the major characters of FF7.
People like to use words randomly without knowing the meaning. An edgelord is someone being edgy to look cool, a poser. In Vincent´s case he´s a tragic character, he´s a kind man whose life has been ruined and has a heavy weight on his shoulders. As we see in Dirge of Cerberus almost all events in FFVII are Lucretia´s and Hojo´s fault, he blames himself for not stop her. When he finally tried it was too late, he was killed and turned into a demon and after that he lost her. The poor guy has severe trauma.
Damn i wish final fantasy could go back to having exploration and finding secrets like this
Well, the real (human) Sephiroth's physical body is currently encased in a mako cocoon in the Northern Crater, and the "Sephiroth(s)" that Cloud and company have been running into throughout the game are actually lopped off pieces of JENOVA that took on the form of Sephiroth as they are controlled by his will. So technically, Vincent wasn't ENTIRELY lying to Lucrecia when he told her that Sephiroth was dead.
he was never alive, sephiroth was always a part of jenova, it's what made him special and so strong, sphiroth was cloned from jenova cells that was discovered by hojo and gast, that's what you kids never understands about the lore of this game, when we were chasong him in the game, we weren't jenova ramanents, we were chasing the will of jenova that made the projection of sephiroth as a body host until jenova's goal was reached
@@questcore636 You are right. In fact, the planet and Jenova are at ancient and colossal battle since she arrived via the meteor 2000 years prior. Everyone and everything, including Cloud and Sephiroth, are just puppets (but I don't think Jenova's will is conscious, it's more like a disease). Sephiroth was the 'Chosen one' in that he had the strongest connection to her.
FF7 Remake adds more to this overall story. The edge of creation shows the inevitable demise of the planet (the planet is more like trying to suppress the disease that is Jenova, rather than stop it entirely, which it knows it cannot do but tries to prolong its life through it's own creation called fate (which carries negative lifestream in it anyways)). Advent children at the end shows that in 500 years, all human life is gone from the planet. The planet and Jenova care not for human life or timescales, rather, they are at simply fighting each other over millenias. Sephiroth dying gives her another tool to have him cast meteor, which causes geostigma to add negative lifestream to the planet and give her more strength. His death ultimately doesn't matter to Jenova either, it's just a job.
Jenova will win ultimately. FF7R explores the possibility that Shinra can be defeated, Jenova can be defeated, and humans can beat their fate and live more than a mere 500 years. Possibly remove Jenova from the planet itself and save the planet from its own fate.
But- in my humble opinion, I don't think it will be a happy ending. The planet wants to keep fate going to prolong its life, and Jenova will want to keep the planet diseased to survive until its eventual demise and then move on to another planet. The lifestream will eventually abandon the planet and go to another, just as it attempted to in Dirge of Cerebres.
The real Sephiroth recovered from his injuries at this point
@@eveningriceI hope something like this is revealed in the next two installments. There are changing things for reasons.
@@questcore636No, this is incorrect. The Sephiroth the party chases throughout the first half of the game is the body of Jenova in Sephiroth's form, under the control of Sephiroth himself. While in the Lifestream Sephiroth developed the ability to exert his will over that of Jenova. Jenova at this point in the story is basically mindless.
Anyone here wants sephiroth to meet Lucretia?I really really want!
It would be bittersweet for sure. Still, it would be an interesting scene, nonetheless.
Wouldn't make any sense
@@yorha19F It would not fit well into the story, for sure. It is more of a "what if" scenario then anything.
I am afraid lucrecia Will meet sephiroths sword
@@yorha19F I don't get why would that not make any sense? She is his real mother so why not?
Best ff series ever!
True True True when did i buy this game end 90s still play it today thats already over 20 years from the old ps1 and ps4 now this is a sick scene btw
You know, if Lucrecia had been allowed to raise Sephiroth, to hold him in her arms like a true mother, I wonder how differently this story would have ended.
Still doomed imo. Eventually jenova would've awakened within Sephiroth as well as all the SOLDIERS and assimilated them.
@@Schwartzbruder1 wasnt sephiroth in conteol? All the sephiroth clones we saw were under sephiroths will were they not?
@@Dio____Brando you're thinking of AFTER Seph got stabbed by Cloud and getting blended up into a Jenova Smoothie in the lifestream. What the OP is speculating is if how any of that could be prevented. Which it cant. Seph's "mother complex" is not some result of bad upbringing its the jenova cells activating in his brain. He wasnt simply just "going crazy"
Probably wouldn’t have worshiped a insane space alien as his mother as much if he already had a, hopefully caring, mom in his life. Kinda like Angeal and Genesis.
I mean,she treated him as an experiment way before he was even born,i dont think she would be a great mother
That moment when you find out Vincent is the true video game character to suffer more than Ellie from The Last of Us.
literally every party member suffered
except yuffie, she kinda just likes materia
@@FOOD2o Yeah which feels so off to me lol.
@@FOOD2o After Aerith's death they needed a cheerful female character to balance things out again. Aerith wasn't exactly cheerful but she was optimistic though
@@FOOD2o Eh. Yuffie watched her once great country get taken over by force and turned into a tourist trap by Shinra. Her entire culture was snuffed out. She lost a lot as well.
There’s plenty of video game characters that have suffered more than her
I wish that we could tell her sephiroth is alive, or at least explain somewhat. She seems to feel that he is alive, because of her link with Jenova. I know Vincent is trying to make it less painful for her, but I don't feel he is doing the right thing. She would want to know the truth about her child, even if it's painful. Sephiroth may be separated from his body, but his will is distinct from Jenova, he isn't dead in the way that the game defines death. I wish for both Lucretia and sephiroth's that they should know each other are alive.
I dont think so,Sephiroth supposedly read all about the experiment in the manor and still he considers Jenova his mother,i dont think that he really cares about Lucrecia's state at all,maybe if he met her before he lost his mind...but now its too late,and i dont think she would be happier knowing that his son is trying to destroy the whole planet instead of being dead,remember that she is inmortal and will need to deal with that forever
part of story that everyone doesnt know. if they make HD dirge of cerberus we know who she really is
hojo shoot down vincent with invincible gun...
Come the last entry in the remake series, you can bet they’ll be doing a TON with this side quest.
I hope so,i think Lucrecia's story needs a little more development,even in Dige of Cerberus where it was expanded it still felt weird af,like they dont really give you a good reason for her doing the experiment,it feels like she just did it because she was mad at Vincent which isn't really a logic reason and then she spent the rest of her life crying in a cave like wtf? 😂
lol i really don't get people thinking vincent was the father, when the game spells it out for them, guess kids needs everything in writing now to understand literature, hojo even said it himself at reactor No. 8 he was the father "imagine how mad sephiroth would be if he knew i'm his father" "that's why i'm going to help him get all the mako energy he needs"
Could Hojo be wrong though? It's implied Vincent & Lucretia were very close and possibly having an affair?
@@mikespearwood3914 you're an idiot, lucrecia never loved vincent, vincent only secretly loved her, they had no relationship
@@mikespearwood3914 besides, why would hojo be wrong? it was his experiment
@@Fububoo he never says that
@@mikespearwood3914 how could he be wrong? hojo got her pregnant, think he would know
Hey, was wondering if I could possibly use this in a video I'm working on? Thanks!
no prob
Nathaniel Lamb you sure can't
Why did old Vincent look like some Austrian rejected painter
People call Lucrecia a monster like Hojo was the one caressing his belly and then shown hanging his head behind her silently while she declared they were scientists. And that Vincent doesn't narrate it was Gast and Hojo, and that he couldn't save her. And that she doesn't have an ounce of self-loathing about any of that.
She was pretty clearly a victim in the whole thing, even if she didn't try to escape like Ilfana/Zack.
poor lady
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Lucrecia, stop acting like a victim. Take responsibility of what you did to your son.
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This is probably the most messed up scene in all of FF7
josh
So Sephiroth born because Vincent can have his mom... Poor Vincent..
Who cares?
That's what happens when you simp for a girl who is already in a relationship.
@@elizabethchint2391 I don't think wanting to protect someone you care about from some evil shitstain scientist who's basically the anime equivalent of Joseph Mengele qualifies as simping. You do you though.
@@silversnail1413 I agree.
I'm suffering Mandela effect. But I remember this scene being longer. Like after Vincent says that sephiroth is dead. She immediately enters a state of panic and starts screaming. Then Vincent tries to calm her with one party member saying "why did you lie" and Vincent responds by saying "I will tell her the truth, but I want to get her out of here first"
That’s because you played Dirge of Cerberus, not the original.
@@GlitchanBlack is it really? I haven't found that scene
Lucrecia should've marry that awful man when she had the chance in the first place
…Nowhere is it mentioned they got married? Just that they got together.
Hojo always refers to her as “the/that woman”, never her name nor “wife”. And neither Lucrecia nor Vincent refer to Hojo as her husband.
Though if I completely missed where it’s said or shown somewhere do let me know.