Great interview, O'Regan has a remarkable gift for elucidating our contemporary place in the history of Christian thought. It makes one desire to contribute to the history oneself, in whatever small way one can.
The complexity of this mans theology is further away from an average Catholic - than an average Catholic is from an average Jew, or average Eastern Christian. And this is the very problem with trying to litigate and referee other peoples belief’s down to the Nth degree. Which is why the approach that the Buddhists and Yogi’s take is so much more effective to leading a person into God. Their starting premise is: let’s deconstruct consciousness itself and deeply notice all that binds us from Bliss and Goodness All through simple mindfulness practices (meditation). It’s this - show me vs tell me approach to God that is winning day with young people.
The complexity of this mans theology is further away from an average Catholic - than an average Catholic is from an average Jew, or average Eastern Christian. And this is the very problem with trying to litigate and referee other peoples belief’s down to the Nth degree. Which is why the approach that the Buddhists and Yogi’s take is so much more effective to leading a person into God. Their starting premise is: let’s deconstruct consciousness itself and deeply notice all that binds us from Bliss and Goodness All through simple mindfulness practices (meditation). It’s this - show me vs tell me approach to God that is winning day with young people.
One could say the same thing about any intellectual ever vis-a-vis the group they represent. Augustine was far more complex a thinker than the average African Christian in 400. Wendell Berry is far more intelligent than the average American farmer. Should these people simply not write until they can sufficiently describe what is, rather than prescribe what should be? This middle brow anti intellectualism can only freeze discourse and pre ent the deepening of any tradition. Your point is simply nonsense.
@@marcelb5045 in the Catholic west - they certainly seem to be at odds. Especially amongst lay people, as Chapp and others plainly admit. More effort needs to be made to learn the yogic methods of God inner communion and bring them into the Christian world. There is much cross over. And Thereby merging the Eastern and Western religious cannons. And I don't say that as some sort of whiny 'we need to listen everybody thing'. No, they have real genius spirituality over there - as do Christians.
@@rmarcusshort I am commenting that this type of hyper intellectualization is the exact problem with Christianity atm. Don't mistake deepening of tradition - with deepening of Union with God. The two are often at odds. The intellect must ride on the wings of the heart in matters of belief. Every wise person knows this. As I have observed in my research on Eastern religious practitioners (SRF devotees, Yogi's, Buddhists, Taoist,) and even Eastern Christian Theologians - their entire Beingness is visibly altered by their lifestyle and beliefs. While the Catholic intellectual class are not so spiritually refined to their core. This is bc Catholicism has become overly rational, and has forgotten meditation - aka true energetic inner communion. The methods of meditation, as outlined by Patanjali, Buddha and Kriya yoga, are complete mechanical sciences of body and mind. From this base - beliefs/theologies can be stacked on top. Their beliefs integrate quite well Christians actually, (most easterners honor Christ) while Christians never attempt to integrate with them because of a certain close minded obsession with 'belief' rather than feeling . (Mind you, I am not coming at this from a whiny equity stance. No, they have true spiritual genius over there.) And this is what you guys should be talking about ---as well as the weeds, of weeds, of weeds of Christianity. Someone in the Catholic sphere needs to open their aperture and incorporate these methods. I am a practitioner of Yoga (the philosophy), and can tell you it's transformed my life, and heart. And only opened me up to the possibility of Christ. I'm saying lets have more brilliant Christian people synthesizing the major cannons of Earth - the eastern approach with the western approach to religion. I find this type of overly naunced Christianity to be the exact problem with it. It is rationalisitic - not REALIZATION focused. All brain, no heart quality. Sure, for some people - this hyper granular stuff might be appropriate. But only in proportion to their embodiment and inner 'attainment' as yogic's say. ---------- A great lecture: ruclips.net/video/NqL36m-FLv8/видео.html
As a Lutheran Protestant, I find
Catholic intellectual engagement endlessly profound. Thanks lads for this brilliant discussion.
Vaya con Dios!!!
Great interview, O'Regan has a remarkable gift for elucidating our contemporary place in the history of Christian thought. It makes one desire to contribute to the history oneself, in whatever small way one can.
Wow! So many wonderful interviews happening on this channel. Thank you!
The complexity of this mans theology is further away from an average Catholic - than an average Catholic is from an average Jew, or average Eastern Christian. And this is the very problem with trying to litigate and referee other peoples belief’s down to the Nth degree. Which is why the approach that the Buddhists and Yogi’s take is so much more effective to leading a person into God. Their starting premise is: let’s deconstruct consciousness itself and deeply notice all that binds us from Bliss and Goodness All through simple mindfulness practices (meditation).
It’s this - show me vs tell me approach to God that is winning day with young people.
Prof Cyril O’Regan endorsed Joshua Brotherton’s book, One of the Trinity Has Suffered (Emmaus Academic)!
This was brilliant! Lots to digest.
. . . and Ratzinger / Augustine / Bonaventure: history ! (32:26)
I can't make out what he says at 35:55. "... These represent ______ alternatives..." Any help?
“Immanentist” alternatives to Christianity. I suppose as opposed to transcendent alternatives.
Immagative
The complexity of this mans theology is further away from an average Catholic - than an average Catholic is from an average Jew, or average Eastern Christian. And this is the very problem with trying to litigate and referee other peoples belief’s down to the Nth degree. Which is why the approach that the Buddhists and Yogi’s take is so much more effective to leading a person into God. Their starting premise is: let’s deconstruct consciousness itself and deeply notice all that binds us from Bliss and Goodness All through simple mindfulness practices (meditation).
It’s this - show me vs tell me approach to God that is winning day with young people.
You are talking as if the two are mutually exclusive
One could say the same thing about any intellectual ever vis-a-vis the group they represent. Augustine was far more complex a thinker than the average African Christian in 400. Wendell Berry is far more intelligent than the average American farmer. Should these people simply not write until they can sufficiently describe what is, rather than prescribe what should be? This middle brow anti intellectualism can only freeze discourse and pre ent the deepening of any tradition. Your point is simply nonsense.
Realization is not at war with intellect, but just the Source of it.
@@marcelb5045 in the Catholic west - they certainly seem to be at odds. Especially amongst lay people, as Chapp and others plainly admit. More effort needs to be made to learn the yogic methods of God inner communion and bring them into the Christian world. There is much cross over. And Thereby merging the Eastern and Western religious cannons. And I don't say that as some sort of whiny 'we need to listen everybody thing'. No, they have real genius spirituality over there - as do Christians.
@@rmarcusshort
I am commenting that this type of hyper intellectualization is the exact problem with Christianity atm. Don't mistake deepening of tradition - with deepening of Union with God. The two are often at odds. The intellect must ride on the wings of the heart in matters of belief. Every wise person knows this.
As I have observed in my research on Eastern religious practitioners (SRF devotees, Yogi's, Buddhists, Taoist,) and even Eastern Christian Theologians - their entire Beingness is visibly altered by their lifestyle and beliefs. While the Catholic intellectual class are not so spiritually refined to their core. This is bc Catholicism has become overly rational, and has forgotten meditation - aka true energetic inner communion. The methods of meditation, as outlined by Patanjali, Buddha and Kriya yoga, are complete mechanical sciences of body and mind. From this base - beliefs/theologies can be stacked on top. Their beliefs integrate quite well Christians actually, (most easterners honor Christ) while Christians never attempt to integrate with them because of a certain close minded obsession with 'belief' rather than feeling . (Mind you, I am not coming at this from a whiny equity stance. No, they have true spiritual genius over there.)
And this is what you guys should be talking about ---as well as the weeds, of weeds, of weeds of Christianity. Someone in the Catholic sphere needs to open their aperture and incorporate these methods. I am a practitioner of Yoga (the philosophy), and can tell you it's transformed my life, and heart. And only opened me up to the possibility of Christ.
I'm saying lets have more brilliant Christian people synthesizing the major cannons of Earth - the eastern approach with the western approach to religion. I find this type of overly naunced Christianity to be the exact problem with it. It is rationalisitic - not REALIZATION focused. All brain, no heart quality.
Sure, for some people - this hyper granular stuff might be appropriate. But only in proportion to their embodiment and inner 'attainment' as yogic's say.
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A great lecture: ruclips.net/video/NqL36m-FLv8/видео.html