2:17 just a little correction... the River Rother starts in the District of Rother rather than the Borough of Hastings. As a Man of Kent I can also say the River Rother forms part of the border between your beautiful county and mine for a very short stretch... most of the border is however formed by a very small stream called the Kent Ditch.
Barcombe Mills! Everybody I've ever known has been there on the middle Ouse. As a kid we use to take the train to BM station and walk the mile long farm track to the boat hire shed and paddle a canoe back to the weir. A great familly day out. I'm glad to say it is still in operation, but moved a short distance North to the Anchor pub.
There once was a canal connection between the River Arun and the River Wey creating a route from the South Coast to London. It was abandoned long ago, though some has been restored.
The canal was built during the Napoleonic wars. The fear was that if the French blockaded the channel or the Thames we wouldn't be able to supple the navy in Portsmouth will arms. Just as it was finished, the wars stopped and then along came the railways so the canal fell into disrepair. Just as our American friend says, parts of the canal have been restored, sections at Loxwood and Dunsfold being the best examples. I walked the length of the canal during lockdown for exercise. It is in very beautiful countryside and I hope I live long enough to see it finished.
Hey great video! I was wondering why the Adur River splits in two but you've labelled it as the same river there. Not sure I know of a river myself that is called the same thing after branching off but that's pretty neat
It's unusual, for sure. When you look at an Ordnance Survey map you see both branches labelled simply "Adur". When reading about the Adur and what you're reading needs to distinguish them, it will call one the western Adur and the other the eastern Adur. The official "source" of the Adur is near Slinfold, which is up the western branch. I'm not sure why, possibly because that is the longest branch, but I'm not sure of that, either!
Many thanks, another totally professional and informative video. Just rewatched the history of Sussex again, I was born here but it takes an intruder to teach me the history! Excellent and in depth research work, I can't begin to imagine the amount of investigative work involved.
You are correct, actually! Upon reading your comment I decided to check this out using the IPA reader web page. The "International Phonetic Alphabet" notation gives the pronunciation of Bodiam as *ˈboʊdiəm* and the IPA reader sounds it as "bow" - "dee" - "um". With "bow" as in "Bow and arrow". So thanks for helping me clarify this! Things are never quite pronounced as I first think they are! Which if you've watched more of my videos you have already discovered! 😁
Geology. Most ports around England have a sand and gravel berth. In Sussex this would be, Bedhanpton, Littlehampton, Shoreham, and Newhaven. During the last Ice Age, around 12000 years ago, the English Channel was completely dry, except for the rivers, such as the Thames and Schelt flowing to the Atlantic. This deposted millions of tons of gravel, throughout the Channel area. Off Sussex, 2 large banks are exploited. Hastings Bank and Owers Bank, ( south of Littlehanpton). This material is used for making concrete, building material etc. Also sea defences, e.g Rottingdean to Saltdean beach came from the Owers Bank..
And Avon means river in old English, so the Hampshire Avon is the Hampshire river. The Arun has a run of Sea Trout, which is fairly rare in the UK. Glad to know you live near me, as I live in Lancing. I have also walked the Chichester canal many times.
I considered including the Cuckmere, but its historical and economic importance was dwarfed by the others. I didn't want to let the video get too long, and I now feel I should have left the Chichester Harbour and Canal out of it. But the Cuckmere is interesting for its own sake, and so I will probably do a video about it.
Thanks for this video. Very interesting & very illuminating. Look forward to a video on the Cuckmere which, being in a quite remote part of the county, had a very interesting smuggling background back in the 18th and 19th centuries.
I expect you know this, but the River Aran "stole" the head waters of the Adur. And St Leonard's Forest was the site of the last recorded sighting of a dragon - actually at Colgate.
If you are going to mention the Chichester Canal you might as well take it all the way back to Ford where it joined the Arun and connected via the Wey and Arun Navigation via the Wey to the Thames and eventually London. Incidentally we nEver say just "River Arun" it is always "the river Arun" or "the Arun". Finally no catalogue of Sussex rivers can be considered complete without the Arun's major tributary, the Western Rother.
Thanks! I wasn't yet aware that the canal joined the river Arun, and I will keep that in mind. You may notice that I did mention the Western Rother, in connection with all the other rivers named Rother, and when I finally get to the video about the Arun, I'll be sure to cover the Western Rother.
@@SussexYank As I said above the canal was a section of the Portsmouth / London canal. The starting point in the centre of Portsmouth, the railway from Fratton to Town actually runs in the canal bed. The route took it to the entry into the Chichester canal by way of Langstone harbour round the northern edge of Hayling Island then across Chichester Harbour the entry point there at Birdham. The canal had a very short life with the coming of the railways.
The Chichester canal never linked up with the River Arun. It was planned to do so but geological problems were encountered and so the section was abandoned after only a small amount of work had been carried out. The north-south section which ends in Chichester Canal Basin was originally planned as a spur off this. There is also the River Lavant which is a chalk stream and only flows at certain times of year when the water table in the chalk aquifer is high enough and the springs break. It rises in East Dean, flows west to start with, then southwards and eventually through Chichester. It has flooded at various times through the centuries, the last time being in 1994 when it caused significant damage. Extensive works were subsequently carried out to prevent a recurrence. The coming of the railway quickly ensured the demise of the canal commercially. I enjoy your vids, thank you and keep them coming.
Great question! As I mentioned near the beginning of the video, the video covered the major historical rivers of Sussex, of which there are four: Arun; Adur; Ouse; and Eastern Rother. The Western Rother is a tributary of the Arun, and while it is a lovely river, it wasn't as important as the Arun. But it did get mentioned at 2:37, so I didn't ignore it. I've gotten feedback indicating that I should cover the Cuckmere, too, which I hope to do eventually. So when I get time, I'll hopefully be able to make a video specifically about the Cuckmere, and also the Western Rother, but it might be more appropriate to include the Western Rother in a video about the River Arun. We'll see!
Don't forget the River Mole which rises in West Sussex but is mostly in Surrey. If you do make a video about or containing the Rother in West Sussex drop the "Western" bit of the name as locals only say "the Rother". Another fact, the Arun is the second fastest flowing river in England after the Severn.
Thanks for the information! When I get around to it, I'll probably still start out calling it the Western Rother for the sake of those who might be confused by there being 2 Rothers in Sussex.
The river Adur unfortunately was invention of (the Poet) Dryden who took the Roman name which then wasn't attributed to a particular place and he decided it marked the (Roman) port of Shoreham. And so the Shoreham River in all likelihood the old Saxon name Soar (to be also found in Kent), hence Soarham in older pronunciation, found itself with a new totally unrelated name. Adur became set in stone as 18th and19th century map makers found Drydens references showing "Adur" and never having been anywhere near New Shoreham, let alone Old Shoreham, in their lives, merely copied what they easily found in libraries. I was born in Shoreham and went to school in Shoreham, we always referred to the river as the Shoreham River as did the old boatbuilders south of the High Street, hardly anyone called it the Adur unless they were blow-ins. In modern maps, the Ordnance Survey have placed the floating Roman name at Portchester, showing it (with a question mark) as "PORTUS ARDAONI?" This Roman place name for a port does not have a proper home even in more enlightened times, just a calculated guess and maybe no better than Dryden's! Thank you that Yank in Sussex! Excellent videos and information. Signed, a historian and (very) old Sussexer. 😊
Brilliant comment! I shall remember the information you've provided for my future River Adur video! When you mention the poet Dryden, I'm assuming you mean the Poet Laureate John Dryden?
@@SussexYank Indeed yes, that man of Laureate fame; unfortunately he didn't understand Roman history, nor did anyone of that era, and certainly not to the depth we now do in relation to this sceptred Isle. Shall look forward greatly to a future Shoreham River video. P.S. My old grandfather pulled his yacht up Brighton beach with the fishermen's yachts and a chum of his who worked in Shoreham harbour were drinking pals. They used to take his chum's steam tug up river to Beeding where they moored and partook of a beer or several at the Kings Arms; once had a photo of them outside with other chums standing in the middle of the road holding their pints and surrounded by chicken! Anyway, in that pub are many old framed photos and in one is of old Mr. Collins sitting in his "tug" fitted with a vertical boiler just a few yards up river of the Beeding bridge. It was a large clinker built type rowing boat fitted with a steam boiler! But then he was pushing square riggers about in the harbour, must have cut the mustard. The harbour was a sea of masts like a thick forest back then. Anyway, back to Mr.C and grandfather, my aged aunt told me that, "like the farmers horse his tug knew the way home!!" 😃
Of course there's nothing wrong with the Cuckmere, but I didn't cover it in this video due to it not being as economically/historically significant as the other four. It may get its own video at some point, however, because it is interesting in its own way!
@@SussexYank You're right, the Cuckmere is not important from a historical point of view but weirdly, it's come to represent Sussex aesthetically. The view of the Coastguard Cottages overlooking Cuckmere Haven with the Seven Sisters in the background is everywhere these days, from TV shows to adverts, including your videos.
@@billyhills9933 Yes, I definitely noticed the Coastguard Cottages. As soon as the weather gets decent I'm planning to visit the mouth of the Cuckmere to get some drone footage of the area.
Sorry to say but there is no evidence that the river arun has ever had its mouth anywhere but at Littlehampton, much research has been done on this subject but no evidence has been found. The old name for the River Arun is believed to be river Tarrant. People born in Arundel have the title mullet after the fish that swims in the river, I hold this title.
I'm not doubting you, but could you point me towards the research of which you write, confirming that no evidence has been found indicating any other outfall than Littlehampton? I would appreciate it, because I myself found this to be a bit farfetched. But a literature search I performed yielded some documentary evidence for the idea that before 1610 the Arun did exit eastwards at various places and times in the past. In particular, A. Hadrian Allcroft discusses this in his 1930 book, "Waters of Arun". One of the reasons why I considered this idea of the Arun's mouth wandering reasonable enough to state in the video was that all four of the major rivers, the Arun, Adur, Ouse, and Rother have seen major shifts in their mouths over time. Especially the eastern Rother. But also while today's Adur exits at Shoreham, it used to exit 2 miles eastwards at Portslade-by-Sea (part of Hove nowadays). In the Adur's case this was because of longshore drift, which was also the source of the Ouse's mouth drifting eastwards along past what is now called Mill Creek (and at least partly why they built that huge jetty/breakwater out into Seaford Bay at Newhaven.
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2:17 just a little correction... the River Rother starts in the District of Rother rather than the Borough of Hastings. As a Man of Kent I can also say the River Rother forms part of the border between your beautiful county and mine for a very short stretch... most of the border is however formed by a very small stream called the Kent Ditch.
Good stuff! - Looking forward to further videos.
Barcombe Mills! Everybody I've ever known has been there on the middle Ouse.
As a kid we use to take the train to BM station and walk the mile long farm track to the boat hire shed and paddle a canoe back to the weir. A great familly day out.
I'm glad to say it is still in operation, but moved a short distance North to the Anchor pub.
Love your videos on The Geographic History of Sussex and other important places!
There once was a canal connection between the River Arun and the River Wey creating a route from the South Coast to London. It was abandoned long ago, though some has been restored.
I have visited parts of the restored canal! I hope to make a video about it in the future.
The canal was built during the Napoleonic wars. The fear was that if the French blockaded the channel or the Thames we wouldn't be able to supple the navy in Portsmouth will arms.
Just as it was finished, the wars stopped and then along came the railways so the canal fell into disrepair.
Just as our American friend says, parts of the canal have been restored, sections at Loxwood and Dunsfold being the best examples.
I walked the length of the canal during lockdown for exercise. It is in very beautiful countryside and I hope I live long enough to see it finished.
Hey great video! I was wondering why the Adur River splits in two but you've labelled it as the same river there. Not sure I know of a river myself that is called the same thing after branching off but that's pretty neat
It's unusual, for sure. When you look at an Ordnance Survey map you see both branches labelled simply "Adur". When reading about the Adur and what you're reading needs to distinguish them, it will call one the western Adur and the other the eastern Adur. The official "source" of the Adur is near Slinfold, which is up the western branch. I'm not sure why, possibly because that is the longest branch, but I'm not sure of that, either!
Many thanks, another totally professional and informative video. Just rewatched the history of Sussex again, I was born here but it takes an intruder to teach me the history! Excellent and in depth research work, I can't begin to imagine the amount of investigative work involved.
Thanks! I am pleased to report that this "intruder" has now been granted permission by the Home Office to stay here indefinitely! 😁
@@SussexYank Don't fret we've been getting used to intruders for two thousand years in these islands, so happy to hear you decided to stay 😁
Wot a video, so well done , bless ya, lived here all my life 55 of em. And taken a yank to learn this , fair cop fella. Thank you
I'm not sure who's correct here, but I've always pronounced the first syllable in Bodiam as 'Bow-'
You are correct, actually! Upon reading your comment I decided to check this out using the IPA reader web page. The "International Phonetic Alphabet" notation gives the pronunciation of Bodiam as *ˈboʊdiəm* and the IPA reader sounds it as "bow" - "dee" - "um". With "bow" as in "Bow and arrow".
So thanks for helping me clarify this! Things are never quite pronounced as I first think they are! Which if you've watched more of my videos you have already discovered! 😁
Chichester Canal was a portion of the Portsmouth to London canal.
Great video
Geology.
Most ports around England have a sand and gravel berth. In Sussex this would be, Bedhanpton, Littlehampton, Shoreham, and Newhaven.
During the last Ice Age, around 12000 years ago, the English Channel was completely dry, except for the rivers, such as the Thames and Schelt flowing to the Atlantic.
This deposted millions of tons of gravel, throughout the Channel area.
Off Sussex, 2 large banks are exploited. Hastings Bank and Owers Bank, ( south of Littlehanpton).
This material is used for making concrete, building material etc.
Also sea defences, e.g Rottingdean to Saltdean beach came from the Owers Bank..
And Avon means river in old English, so the Hampshire Avon is the Hampshire river.
The Arun has a run of Sea Trout, which is fairly rare in the UK.
Glad to know you live near me, as I live in Lancing. I have also walked the Chichester canal many times.
What is interesting, too, is that there are 20 rivers named Avon in the Anglosphere (11 in Britain), which includes the River Afan in Wales.
just found your channel you should of included a 5th river in the post and is the River Cuckmere
I considered including the Cuckmere, but its historical and economic importance was dwarfed by the others. I didn't want to let the video get too long, and I now feel I should have left the Chichester Harbour and Canal out of it.
But the Cuckmere is interesting for its own sake, and so I will probably do a video about it.
Thanks for this video.
Very interesting & very illuminating.
Look forward to a video on the Cuckmere which, being in a quite remote part of the county, had a very interesting smuggling background back in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Great suggestion! You're not the first to comment about the Cuckmere, btw.
Thank you for this informative and helpful video!
I expect you know this, but the River Aran "stole" the head waters of the Adur. And St Leonard's Forest was the site of the last recorded sighting of a dragon - actually at Colgate.
Sorry, spellcheck corrected Arun to Aran.
Good work. (Bodium /əʊ/ Castle x)
If you are going to mention the Chichester Canal you might as well take it all the way back to Ford where it joined the Arun and connected via the Wey and Arun Navigation via the Wey to the Thames and eventually London. Incidentally we nEver say just "River Arun" it is always "the river Arun" or "the Arun". Finally no catalogue of Sussex rivers can be considered complete without the Arun's major tributary, the Western Rother.
Thanks! I wasn't yet aware that the canal joined the river Arun, and I will keep that in mind.
You may notice that I did mention the Western Rother, in connection with all the other rivers named Rother, and when I finally get to the video about the Arun, I'll be sure to cover the Western Rother.
@@SussexYank As I said above the canal was a section of the Portsmouth / London canal. The starting point in the centre of Portsmouth, the railway from Fratton to Town actually runs in the canal bed. The route took it to the entry into the Chichester canal by way of Langstone harbour round the northern edge of Hayling Island then across Chichester Harbour the entry point there at Birdham. The canal had a very short life with the coming of the railways.
The Chichester canal never linked up with the River Arun. It was planned to do so but geological problems were encountered and so the section was abandoned after only a small amount of work had been carried out. The north-south section which ends in Chichester Canal Basin was originally planned as a spur off this. There is also the River Lavant which is a chalk stream and only flows at certain times of year when the water table in the chalk aquifer is high enough and the springs break. It rises in East Dean, flows west to start with, then southwards and eventually through Chichester. It has flooded at various times through the centuries, the last time being in 1994 when it caused significant
damage. Extensive works were subsequently carried out to prevent a recurrence.
The coming of the railway quickly ensured the demise of the canal commercially.
I enjoy your vids, thank you and keep them coming.
Why no mention of the West Sussex Rother.?
Great question! As I mentioned near the beginning of the video, the video covered the major historical rivers of Sussex, of which there are four: Arun; Adur; Ouse; and Eastern Rother. The Western Rother is a tributary of the Arun, and while it is a lovely river, it wasn't as important as the Arun. But it did get mentioned at 2:37, so I didn't ignore it.
I've gotten feedback indicating that I should cover the Cuckmere, too, which I hope to do eventually. So when I get time, I'll hopefully be able to make a video specifically about the Cuckmere, and also the Western Rother, but it might be more appropriate to include the Western Rother in a video about the River Arun. We'll see!
Don't forget the River Mole which rises in West Sussex but is mostly in Surrey. If you do make a video about or containing the Rother in West Sussex drop the "Western" bit of the name as locals only say "the Rother". Another fact, the Arun is the second fastest flowing river in England after the Severn.
Thanks for the information! When I get around to it, I'll probably still start out calling it the Western Rother for the sake of those who might be confused by there being 2 Rothers in Sussex.
The river Adur unfortunately was invention of (the Poet) Dryden who took the Roman name which then wasn't attributed to a particular place and he decided it marked the (Roman) port of Shoreham. And so the Shoreham River in all likelihood the old Saxon name Soar (to be also found in Kent), hence Soarham in older pronunciation, found itself with a new totally unrelated name. Adur became set in stone as 18th and19th century map makers found Drydens references showing "Adur" and never having been anywhere near New Shoreham, let alone Old Shoreham, in their lives, merely copied what they easily found in libraries. I was born in Shoreham and went to school in Shoreham, we always referred to the river as the Shoreham River as did the old boatbuilders south of the High Street, hardly anyone called it the Adur unless they were blow-ins. In modern maps, the Ordnance Survey have placed the floating Roman name at Portchester, showing it (with a question mark) as "PORTUS ARDAONI?" This Roman place name for a port does not have a proper home even in more enlightened times, just a calculated guess and maybe no better than Dryden's! Thank you that Yank in Sussex! Excellent videos and information. Signed, a historian and (very) old Sussexer. 😊
Brilliant comment! I shall remember the information you've provided for my future River Adur video!
When you mention the poet Dryden, I'm assuming you mean the Poet Laureate John Dryden?
@@SussexYank Indeed yes, that man of Laureate fame; unfortunately he didn't understand Roman history, nor did anyone of that era, and certainly not to the depth we now do in relation to this sceptred Isle. Shall look forward greatly to a future Shoreham River video. P.S. My old grandfather pulled his yacht up Brighton beach with the fishermen's yachts and a chum of his who worked in Shoreham harbour were drinking pals. They used to take his chum's steam tug up river to Beeding where they moored and partook of a beer or several at the Kings Arms; once had a photo of them outside with other chums standing in the middle of the road holding their pints and surrounded by chicken! Anyway, in that pub are many old framed photos and in one is of old Mr. Collins sitting in his "tug" fitted with a vertical boiler just a few yards up river of the Beeding bridge. It was a large clinker built type rowing boat fitted with a steam boiler! But then he was pushing square riggers about in the harbour, must have cut the mustard. The harbour was a sea of masts like a thick forest back then. Anyway, back to Mr.C and grandfather, my aged aunt told me that, "like the farmers horse his tug knew the way home!!" 😃
What about the cuckmere?
Of course there's nothing wrong with the Cuckmere, but I didn't cover it in this video due to it not being as economically/historically significant as the other four. It may get its own video at some point, however, because it is interesting in its own way!
@@SussexYank You're right, the Cuckmere is not important from a historical point of view but weirdly, it's come to represent Sussex aesthetically. The view of the Coastguard Cottages overlooking Cuckmere Haven with the Seven Sisters in the background is everywhere these days, from TV shows to adverts, including your videos.
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Yes, I definitely noticed the Coastguard Cottages. As soon as the weather gets decent I'm planning to visit the mouth of the Cuckmere to get some drone footage of the area.
@@SussexYank
You have to do the Cuckmere. At 34 miles long, the upper reaches are loaded with history..
And Kevin Costner 'landed' at the mouth of the Cuckmere in the first minutest of 'Robin Hood Prince of Thieves' (1991).@@SussexYank
Sorry to say but there is no evidence that the river arun has ever had its mouth anywhere but at Littlehampton, much research has been done on this subject but no evidence has been found. The old name for the River Arun is believed to be river Tarrant. People born in Arundel have the title mullet after the fish that swims in the river, I hold this title.
I'm not doubting you, but could you point me towards the research of which you write, confirming that no evidence has been found indicating any other outfall than Littlehampton? I would appreciate it, because I myself found this to be a bit farfetched. But a literature search I performed yielded some documentary evidence for the idea that before 1610 the Arun did exit eastwards at various places and times in the past. In particular, A. Hadrian Allcroft discusses this in his 1930 book, "Waters of Arun".
One of the reasons why I considered this idea of the Arun's mouth wandering reasonable enough to state in the video was that all four of the major rivers, the Arun, Adur, Ouse, and Rother have seen major shifts in their mouths over time. Especially the eastern Rother. But also while today's Adur exits at Shoreham, it used to exit 2 miles eastwards at Portslade-by-Sea (part of Hove nowadays). In the Adur's case this was because of longshore drift, which was also the source of the Ouse's mouth drifting eastwards along past what is now called Mill Creek (and at least partly why they built that huge jetty/breakwater out into Seaford Bay at Newhaven.
Great video