Best helmet setup for dual motovlogging! - How to record directly off your comms unit.
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Looking for a good solution for how to setup a helmet for dual motovlogging besides sticking a second mic up to your speaker?? I wanted to start recording some dual vlogs while riding with folks but did not want to just stick a second mic up by my Cardo helmet speaker. I needed to come up with a way of recording clean audio directly off my Cardo onto 1 channel of my GoPro while recording audio off my vlogging mic onto the 2nd channel. This allows for each channel to be leveled and edited independently for a nice, clean mono mix on my videos. So here's the solution that I came up with!
In this video I walk you through the connections required and do a walking test with my riding buddy, Vvoltz while we go to Patriot Harley-Davidson to check out the new Anniversary Fat Boy. Too cold to ride but we'll do the riding video this weekend. What do you think about the audio quality??? Let me know in the comments.
Do you have a better solution for a dual vlog setup?? Let me know in the comments.
Here is a list of the cables that I used to hook this up:
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- Cardo PackTalk Bold: amzn.to/2RYy0hD
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Clearest sound set up I've heard I think. Thanks for uploading and sharing this with us.
This is fantastic man! My buddy and I have been trying to figure out a way to splice in Cardo audio to my gopro, and I was getting ready to start cutting up and reconnecting wires. Just ordered your recommendations and I'm really excited to see how it turns out!
That’s a great video and the diagram shows all we need!!!!! This is going to make my 2up riding and vlogging with my wife possible...Percy this is amazing...🙏🏼
Thanks for the feedback!! Hope you find this useful and can’t wait to hear a dual vlog with you and your wife!
I just got my parts in to set this up. Great info here thanks for sharing!!!
Can’t wait to hear you and Backpack chatting it up on some amazing rides!
Thanks for the "how to video"! My kids and I are going to an RV park in east TN. with new black hero 8 GoPros and I was wanting to capture the audio from our Cardo packtalks on our videos. Really appreciate the wiring diagram! I had purchased the purple panda mic and didn't realize the difference between the 2 ring and 3 ring connectors until watching your video and carefully going over the wiring diagram before purchasing the needed components from Amazon. Hopefully we can mimic your setup so we can have superb video footage for our own family archives. I'm 56 years old, son 25 and daughter 21 and are all new to the motovlog arena. Hopefully you will do another video about video editing and the best and easiest software to use for novice beginners. Thanks again for such a detailed and informative video!
The best setup I have see so far. Thank you sir. 😀
Thanks! I’ve received a lot of good feedback from people who used this setup after seeing the video. I’ve been pretty happy with it. I did change up the mic though.
How awesome. I’ll have to see if I can do something similar to my sena when my husband and I ride together this season. Thanks for sharing Percy!
Thanks for watching. I've been told by a couple of people that their Sena units use a proprietary connection to connect the speakers to instead of a standard 3.5mm audio jack. You might want to check out your model before ordering the cables for this. Stay safe out there!
Dammit Percy that is absolutely AMAZING!!!!!! Thank you so much dude!!!
Thanks! I hung out at RadioShack as a kid while all the others were sneaking smokes behind their parents garages.
Great video bro!!! I was trying to look to see if you made that video on how to get the audio.
Really good video Percy. Ordering those parts immediately.
Thanks, Tony. Can’t wait to hear out it all works out for you.
That is ingenious, bro! great info!
Thanks! I've been pretty happy with this set up. The biggest challenge was getting all the wires tucked away cleanly without creating pressure points. But the audio has been really solid.
Thank you Percy! Now I can dual vlog like a pro!
Sweet!!! Can't wait to see/hear the results!
Wow!! You killed it man! Thanks for sharing this!!
Thanks!!! Glad you liked it. We're going to capture some cool group ride stuff at MMM this year!
Being Here Now, with Percy oooooh I know!! I can’t wait!!
Got it working. Purchase a new much more premium lav mic and works a treat now.
Percy man this was awesome and so helpful thank you. It's something I was gonna have to try figure out and now I don't have to :) I've also added this to my playlist for excellent videos that aren't me :) Seriously tho thanks man
Glad this could be of help. Hoping we can record some stuff while riding together at MMM this year!
@@withPercy super helpful! :) I wish I could go to MMM :'(
Fantastic video mate. I use the same set up with splitters but not the one that splits the channels, might give that a try! When I was looking for solutions back when I started I didn’t find many people using the splitter method and certainly not splitting the channels. Good job man!
Thanks! I’m pretty happy with it. Recorded a ride with a couple of buddies last Sunday. Will probably post that video next week. I think the setup did a good job of capturing the conversation except when the gap between us got too wide. But that was the Cardo reaching it’s limit. Not the setup.
Being Here Now, with Percy That’s awesome, curious to hear that group ride! I’m looking to upgrade soon from the G9x to the PackTalk. Hoping that will improve quality too.
Excellent Video.
Thank you, Mr. Wobbleknocker.
Hey Percy that is totally superb, most others like you say stick a second mile near the earpiece. This way seems much more pro. Just got my Cardo last week so time to give your setup a go. FatBob. 💟💟💟 Cheers
That's awesome! Let me know if you have any questions or if I can help you in any way. This has been a really good setup for me and my buddy Kidmoto22 used this and has been putting out some really nice dual vlogs with his wife.
@@withPercy Brilliant, I have just ordered the bits off Amazon, so should be ready to test it out in the next week or so. Cheers... Martyn
Stereo breakout cable!!!!.. of course, I can't tell you for how long I've been trying to do this. Tried spltters didn't work.. tried taping mics to the helmet speakers, rubbish!!.. didn't think of actually splitting the channels left and right.. Brilliant thank you.
Glad this could be of help!
@@withPercy so to bring it all back into stereo was done through your video editing software? The GoPro doesn't see it as one input and do it itself.
The GoPro will record each input into a separate channel of the audio track. One to the left and one to the right. When you bring the audio into your editing software, you'll have both in your audio track. I planning to do an update to this video in the next week or two on both the helmet setup and how to do the editing.
@@withPercy great! thanks for answering my questions, really appreciated. 👍
Great video, mate.
Have you had any issues with distortion coming from other riders if they speak loudly or say if the mic picks up the wind?
Any plans on a video to show the editing process? Thanks so much.
this is really good, only issue is it will also pick up sat nav instructions... but, you can obviously work around that for sure! :) great diagram. Thanks!! 😎Will help in my new setup on my planned motovlogs.I have been experimenting with my two camera setup, like yours but using DJI OSMO action camera's Which are awesome value at the moment with triple batterys.
Glad it could be of help. You're right about the nav instructions. But that's easily edited out in post since it's isolated on a different channel than the voice mic.
@@withPercy Perfect thou, when / if I go on a group ride, or even do a telephone group vlog / chat (call it distance dual vlogging with another motovlogger. :) when they can't make the ride! 😎😁If you share video's would make for a cool video. two bikes chatting in different locations!. Thank me later lol
Great video and I have to say I have been looking for a video on this without having to cut, splice and soldier wires. I think your is the easiest to follow. The only thing is I heard you saying someone had a Sena that was not quite right. Well I am using HD 30K which is made by Sena and it looks like I will have to remove the standard helmet speakers in order to connect a separate pair into the splitter. Which all you have to do is remove the allen screw and unplug them. They do have a port for another set but if you do not remove the originals, once you plug in another set it will disable the original speakers. Other then that it all should work and I will give an update once tested.
I would love to see how that works when you get it done. I have a few friends who use Sena's that would like to replicate my Cardo setup. I don't know why Sena just doesn't use a standard audio connector for the output. I'm assuming that the proprietary connector they use must be smaller?
@@withPercy The only thing different with the Sena is, they have an aux port for ear buds so one has to use that port for external speakers and unplug the originals. I am waiting for my new external speakers to come.
@@withPercy I am pretty much done with hooking everything up. The one question I have is where to locate the secondary mic. I have seen where some have put it right next to headphone speakers and others place it along the Comm mic. Where do you have yours? once I place that, I will be ready to test.
Cool mic tone from voltz end. A bit of a external mic. Not as clean as your mike, but really good setup
Yeah, I didn’t tweak his audio. That’s raw audio of Vvoltz coming off the Cardo. There’s always going to be a bit of a difference because the Cardo is sending compressed audio over the mesh.
@@withPercy it was cool tho. Gave it a different texture to the audio.
So this is crazy, but we’re in the same area! I actually may have seen you around. As you were riding in the beginning of the video, I was thinking...man that looks reaaaaallllly familiar and then it hit me haha. I was actually searching on how to dual vlog and just happen to choose to see your vid, which will help me get what I need so thank you for that. I might have to go to a local store now that amazon is on pause.. anyways I hope you see you around or even be in your next vlog, haha. Also, I think I’ve met Vvoltz at MOD a month or two ago. He rides a Duc Scrambler right?
Wow! That's crazy. Yeah, Vvoltz has a Duc Scrambler as well as his Heritage. We're actually hooking up tomorrow afternoon (Saturday) to ride. Meeting over in Fairfax. Shoot me a message on Instagram if you want to join in or just meet up tomorrow. My Instagram ID is @bhnwpercy.
excellent set up - best I have seen - Can I ask which Mic you use please?
Thanks! I been through a lot of mics. I've mostly used the Purple Panda (amzn.to/399JFUh) and I am a HUGE fan of that mic and bundle. It comes with about any type of adapter you'd need. When I went to my new Corsair-X helmet, I changed up and use this one to cut down on the amount of cabling in my helmet - amzn.to/3iOtyyR . But I still use the 2 Purple Panda mics for general purpose lapel mics. I don't think you can beat the performance/value/price for those PP kits.
@@withPercy thank you
Nice man! I'll have to remember this setup if anyone I ride with stops being lazy and finally gets a comm unit -_- lol
Tell them to get off their butt and get a Cardo! LOL
@@withPercy I try trust me ! lol. they're too cheap
I'm ordering the cables from Amazon tonight. I use a Sena, so I hope it will work!! I have really been struggling to figure out the dual vlog to capture my wife's audio when we ride.
Hey Ty - Make sure that your Sena has a 3.5mm female for your speakers to plug into and not a proprietary connector. Someone told me this didn’t work with their Sena because of that.
@@withPercy Thanks man. But this does work with the Packtalk? If so, I may just order the Bold version.
Yeah, it does. I have a PackTalk Bold. All of the Cardo models I’ve had have a standard 3.5mm female for the speakers.
Great vid! When your not dual motovlogging do you unplug this set up and connect your purple panda mic to your GoPro?
Thanks! I just leave this in the whole time. I change the audio from stereo to mono when I edit the video.
Thank you for the explanation and walkthrough! I have a question though.. do you have both the Cardo mic AND your vlogging mic in your helmet? Thanks in advance!
Hi! Yeah, both mics are inside the helmet. Hope this works for you.
@@withPercy I think your layout should work really well -- I've ordered parts and will give you a follow-up on how it turns out. Thanks again! Cheers and ride safe!
Great video, but I have a question. You have the speakers from the Cardo connected, but the Cardo microphone isn't connected. It is only connected to the GoPro, so how does the audio go thru the Cardo for communications?
That guy has no idea what he is talking about, those pushrod covers are available from Harley, in that brass-looking color. But seriously, this was a great test, loving the audio setup, good job! In theory you can have a multi person audio vlog, perhaps you should patent the name Infinivlog name just in case
Thanks for making time to hang out and help me test this all out. I’m really looking forward to what we’re going to be able to do with it while we’re riding!
Being Here Now, with Percy of course. Anytime! Great job setting this up.
Do you still need the vlog mic with this? That's the main issue I have, I don't want two microphones inside my helmet when it's not necessary, but I want that great voice cancellation of the Cardo. Great vid!
Thanks! Yeah. You still nee a mic for vlogging. I don't think there's a way around that as long as the manufacturers use a proprietary connector for the communicator mic.
Great vid, but you still have two mics in the helmet, correct? One for the cardo, and one for you blogging. Am I right on this? Only thing missing from your diagram
Hey Dustin. That is correct. The little button mic from the Cardo is still tucked away inside the helmet.
I bought basically the exact same setup that you showed off now just having some technical trouble. I do most of my editing in premier how do you get the audio out of both ears. Right now I have my voice audio coming out of my left ear and my cardo audio coming out of my right ear.
Hey Steleck - Are you talking about when you export the file? The simplest way is to select Mono in the audio settings when you export the file.
Did you use bluetooth or DMC for the connection?
Have you considered using another splitter cable to use the lav mic for both the gopro input and the cardo input?
Most of the dual vlogs I've released on the channel are with the Cardo's connected over DMC for rider-to-rider. The only thing coming over the Bluetooth are nav directions and music. But those are crystal clear. The input side of the Cardo doesn't use a standard connector (like the 3.5mm on the output side). So you would have to custom make a splitter for that and then you'd have the an issue to address with input variances. But it's really not needed with this set up.
Bummer, just found your video with the cardo dual vlog setup. I just ordered the connectors for the three mic setup. One from the cardo, one lav for my speech, and the third one to pick up from my speakers. Your setup is way better, only one mic for the whole setup. So you do not use the wire coming from the cardo unit to attach the cardo mic? Correct?
You still have to use the Cardo mic. There’s no way around that. With this set up, you eliminate the third mic up by your speaker and you record clean audio do whatever is coming into the Cardo. Music, other riders, etc.
Great video. I bought the cables that you recommended and followed your instructions. I’m hearing a ton of popping and cracking in the audio when I recorded dual vlogs. I’ve tried to troubleshoot everything I can think of but no luck. Did you experience an issue like this? Any ideas? I’m at my wits end.
Hey Ty - Pops like that are usually caused by a connection not being fully seated or by a faulty connector. Which mic are using?
@@withPercy Purple Panda mic. I've tried reseating all the connections and that didn't fix the problem. I ordered another set of cables to see if one of them if faulty. Hopefully it's just a bad cable or something like that.
@@TyFromTennessee If the connections are solid then it could be the mic itself. I've used Purple Panda's for a couple of years but recently switched to this one for my helmet. It's actually a replacement for my Turtle Beach headset and I've really been impressed with it. And it's only $9. amzn.to/35qaq4S
@@withPercy Thanks man. I really appreciate it. I may have to give that a shot too!!
@@TyFromTennessee Let me know what the problem ended up being once you get it worked out.
Hi, does the cardo voice activation still work with the one mic directly connected to the breakout cable? Thanks
Yes. The Cardo mic is an input into the Cardo unit. That stays in place and continues to work.
Would this be the easiest way if I’m not interested in isolating the channels in post? I still want to capture my go pro lav mic and my cardo conversation. But I’m not doing a lot of post. Basically can I use regular splitters and extensions to capture the Audio. Knowing I can’t separate them. Reason I ask is there a reason a lot more options in angles and lengths if I don’t need to separate the channels in post.
The reason that I split the channels is because the levels aren't the same coming over the Cardo and over the mic in the helmet. And if they are on top of each other there is no way to separate them to adjust volume without doing a ton of editing in post... and even then there are certain conditions where you just can't work it out when things overlap. Post editing with the setup I use is pretty straightforward. Match the volume levels on the two channels then export your video with the audio set for monolog.
@@withPercy makes good sense! Thanks!!! Appreciate the thorough response.
Maybe a dumb question, but with this setup you’re running 2 mics correct? The cardo boom mic and the mic in the splitter for the gopro?
That’s correct. 2 mics.
@being here now, with percy : A little late on an old vid, but hope you see and respond. Appreciate your content as I'm converting my own 27k channel over to a motovlog/lifestyle vlog channel, and I'm just crossing the "want to record my cardo" bridge myself. Question is: If you are breaking the audio into L and R channels, does that not affect the overall sound quality? The engine and ambient sounds coming into the GoPro as just mono? Thanks.
I answered my own question trying this out. You are losing stereo sound, so I guess you just have to separate the channels and make them both double-mono-LR. I'll give it a go and it's a small sacrifice to get all the cardo chat recorded with the lav mic. Thanks for putting this together. But omg all the cables... 🤣
Not at all. The audio from your mic is the same. The audio from other people on the mesh is being filtered/processed with their Cardo’s noise filtering for mesh communications. Good luck with the channel changes!!
Yeah, the cables can be a lot. I’m always on the lookout for shorter cables.
How todo that
hey man, i have a question, im able to record the video with coms but when i watch the video, my voice sounds in L speaker and the cardo in the R speaker... what did yo do so both you and your friend voice sounds in both speakers?
Hey man. I don’t know what you’re using for editing but there should be an option in the editor to switch your audio to mono or dual mono. You need to switch to mono rather than stereo. That will duplicate the tracks on the opposite side from where they were recorded.
@@withPercy ah thanks man!!! im using filmora, ill check that out. thank you very much!!!
The mic to GoPro Media mod via the channel breakout adapter does not work. Cardo Audio comes through, but not mic. If I plug the lav mic directly into the media mod, it works.
Which GoPro are you using? 8 or 9?
@@withPercy I have a Hero 9 and the media mod. Purchased another splitter again which arrived yesterday. It is the same as the splitter coming from the Cardo to the headphones, not a channel splitter. Same result. Mic not working, but getting audio from the Cardo to the GoPro. This is exactly what I bought,
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If I plug the mic in directly to the GoPro 9 Media Mod, it records perfectly.
Process of elimination, its either the Mic or something with the GoPro.
I've set this up exactly as you have. Most of the time it's fine, but at times it's like it's distorted and way too loud without me touching the volume. Did you get this?
Which Cardo do you have? I have the Bold and I know that I turned down the volume WHILE I had someone talk, which got rid of the distortion that I had. I believe that the volume on music, commands, and intercom can be adjusted independent of each other if you adjust the volume while something is coming across at that time. If the distortion is caused by the volume bing to high, that should fix it. If you are still getting some distortion, check to make sure that your connections are all clean and tight. Several people have reached out to me to tell me they've implemented this and everything is crystal clear. Please let me know if this doesn't fix your problem.
@@withPercy I will, thank you for the reply, appreciate it. Packtalk bold with JBL speakers with bass boost enabled
That's the same setup that I have. I will say that when I switched to my Corsair-X, I did change my mic because I thought the audio from my mic was too hot. I think that has to do with the acoustics in the helmet and the proximity of the mic to your lips. Here's the new mic that I'm using now: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QXBQ92J/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@@withPercy 👍
Hey! We saw this setup and wanted to give it a go, but it records everyone.. Except the one that got the setup running. Do you know a solution for it?
Will this work on the sena sf4?
I think Sena uses a proprietary connector for audio so that would not work.
@@withPercy sena sf4 also has the 3.5mm audio jack for the headphones similar to cardo , that's why i asked.
Did you get any buzz or feedback?
I haven't had any buzzing or feedback issues with this setup on either of my helmets. It's been rock solid.
Ok, got everything setup. The Cardo audio is very faint even though it is blasting through the speakers. Any ideas?
Are you saying that the volume of the other rider is faint? Have the other person keep talking while you turn the volume up. That should increase the volume on that channel but not the rest of your Cardo. At least that’s how it’s been working on mine.
What's a cardo
It's a Bluetooth/mesh helmet communicator made by Cardo Systems. I have the PackTalk Bold and the Freecom 4 on my helmets. www.cardosystems.com/products/