The Most Pointless Stadium In Scotland
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- In 2018, the SFA agreed to buy Hampden Park from Queen's Park, allowing the club to redevelop Lesser Hampden into an appropriate venue for hosting league games. 6 years on and Queen's Park are once again playing league games at Hampden, despite Lesser Hampden being completed and having hosted games. So what is going on? That's why in this video I look at what has been going on both on and off the pitch in Queen's Park's recent history to see if this is truly a pointless stadium.
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A few notes from a qp fan... The sfa supposedly only paid about £3m of the Hampden deal, with the rest coming from haughey to develop lesser. The plans for a South stand were not put into place which means the capacity is only ~950, not the 1400 you mentioned. This also means there's even more capacity for expansion. If you ask any qp fan they'd tell you they'd rather be playing at a fit for purpose lesser, but any complaints we have fall on deaf ears (see the Gary templeman interview on footy adventures, good video). Also worth noting that lesser was in fact finished by the end of the first championship season and we played our first league home game against Arbroath there last season, before moving to big Hampden. Most fans assumed this would be so we could "finish" lesser, but no work happened. Farsical from the committee
Yeah I got so used to looking at the planning documents I forgot that they hadn’t built the south stand
Been to Hampden as an away fan with Berwick back in the day, and yeah, it's an abysmal experience in a near empty stadium where any banter is near impossible, and if I was a QP man I'd defo be wanting to have matches at a more suitable venue.
It's almost like they had two different factions in club management with conflicting goals. One faction in charge of building the team which had an aim to go professional and end up in the Championship. The other being in charge of building the stadium with the assumption that they'd pingpong between L1/L2, and neither faction ever spoke to each other.
It’s such an obvious case of mismanagement or lack of forward planning. Even if you only want to have the 2 proper stands at least have some terracing as a temporary solution just in case
@@CallumBlyth Right! Or even just deal with the fact that every game is a sellout for a while, and in the meantime moving on with plans to add temporary seating, or a more permanent one. It's maddening
Couldn’t believe it when I’d seen the planned capacity was 1450 for the 2 stands
Surely the misleadingly named Rugby Park should be retitled the Kiliseum.
@@alexbowman7582 that’s an excellent name, Killie need to get that sorted asap
@@CallumBlyththe kil part is thought to be circle same as col in coliseum, collar or collumn.
there's an historical aspect to that name which I'm glad is still maintained - at the time the Kilmarnock club was formed in 1869, there were no universally agreed rules of football and Kilmarnock chose many elements of rugby in their rules eg throwing the ball in perpendicularly at throw-ins, scoring by touching the ball down if it crossed the goalline (used to decide games if goals were level) - as opposed to Queens Park and the teams they inspired who adopted Football Association rules. Wasn't until the Scottish Football league was formed in 1873 that they dropped them. So the name wasn't misleading for 4 years
@@grizzywald I’m not a homopbic but I rugby even the balls bent
Loving the content mate. Just curious - which software do you use for editing? I currently use OBS Studio for screen capture and Da Vinci Resolve for editing. I want to incorporate more memes into my videos similar to you 👍
Capcut free edition haha
You could become the new Archibald Leitch with your sensible stadium plans.
Make sure that you build a stand with multiple gabled roofs and a clock on the halfway line like the old one at Molineux which was made famous by Wolves floodlit games against the best teams in Europe inthe 1950s.
@@tonysutton6559 I’m a fan of his work to be fair
fantastic vidoe there ground looks more like a Training ground than a stadium
It has become a glorified training ground at the moment. I’d imagine they’d rectify the capacity issue soon enough though.
I mean i always hate watching football games at hampden unless scotland is playing there i didn't even watch a rangers game while we were at hampden it was always quiet
I’ll be going to the Raith game against QP in November, going to be so strange when it’s basically empty.
5 million pounds for hampden is a bargain
£96 a seat roughly, not a bad deal at all
Good video Callum. I reckon hiring you wouldn't be the worst idea for them 😉
They have built a stadium purposefully for where they will inevitably end up owing to their poor management. Third or Forth tier. They just don't want to use it right now, because the 2nd tier have too many fans for such a small ground and they want to bring the biggest crowds in as possible.
Too busy installing heated padded seats than bringing fans to the club
To be fair those director seats do look comfy
@CallumBlyth doesn't increase the number of fans though. Money wasted. Not that I'm complaining. I just wish my club has £5M to spend. At least I know it would be invested well.
@CallumBlyth stadium announcer can't even see the pitch. Has to rely on a 2-way radio. Nonsense
Build a proper football terrace in the north end, with cool crush barriers and stuff. A "kop end" could add perhaps 2500 to the capacity and would be fantastic.
Why didn’t they atleast build a standard terrace behind one goal and a temporary structure seared stand behind the other for away fans that can hold 1.5k atleast to suit big followings ? Can’t be that difficult
After the Commonwealth Games (if they even happen) should Hampden just become rectangular? Keep a little bit of running track for the memories like Murrayfield
They keep talking about redeveloping it so hopefully it does get a rebuild to be less shit
@@CallumBlyth Hampden needs the kind of redevelopment that Wembley, The Principality Stadium and Lansdowne Road all had, with the old stadium being wiped from existence completely and a totally new stadium on the site arising. The oval shape is no use for football and totally unnecessary; there is no speedway or greyhound racing there.
I have been to Hampden to both visit the museum and subsequently to watch an Airdrie match. It's not terrible, it's better appointed than Old Trafford, but everyone knows that Old Trafford is a tired and spartan stadium, and it's now rather dated (although possibly less than Ibrox, but I've never been to Ibrox).
@@RW-nr6bh aye that’s what I’m meaning, no excuse for the seats behind the goal to be so far away from the pitch
Lithuania also don't play in their capital (Vilnius) but rather in Kaunas. At least for the time being
@@gilyterobertson1 I had it in the list originally but it’s a really weird situation with them. HITC Sevens did a really good video on it
Glasgow is the true capital. Edinburgh is the seat of English power in Scotland.
We all know the true capital is Perth
Edinburgh was capital from way before the union
@@LB1973 Like most places outside the old industrial heartlands Edinburgh is full of English and may as well be down there.
@@McGrory69 Perhaps Edinburgh and the border country could split and join England and the rest of Scotland could become independent. After all we've had a century of uninterrupted peace and harmony since we did similar to Ireland. 😂
Haughey has ridden them dry!
Too many old committee men
Writing of tax
I love QP but the club probably progressed too quickly. We were promoted to the Championship almost by accident and in retrospect it was a relief we never went up to the top flight in 2023.
Yeah that promotion to the championship when looking at the league table was a miracle looking back
Queens Park Stadium, one of the worst grounds you could ever step foot on👟💩
Well it’s not finished yet is it?
Surly Murryfield would be better for football because it doesn't have (a full) running track around it?
Murryfield and Hampden have the same issue that sitting behind the goal is quite a distance from the pitch. Rugby pitch dimensions cause an issue with it.
@@CallumBlyth Yeah makes sense, I mean I've never been to Hampden so I have no idea but it looks really far away at the ends. Ultimately a purpose built facility will always be better, I just don't understand why stadiums are ruined with athletics tracks just for 1 event like a commonwealth games and then decades of a worse experience for the people actually using the stadium, crazy.
Ludere causa Ludendi alive and well with that mob
For the sake of playing about with stadiums
The problem I think is that there are actually two national stadiums and relying for cost stability on the long-term growth of a non-Premier League team as the principal tenant who hold the tenancy for mostly historic reasons and don't appear to have a plausible strategy to both get into the PL and stay there, thus necessitating a larger ground, is unwise.
QPR seem to be in the position that Queen of the South (who have ZERO chance of replacing their clapped out, crumbling grounds) were in about 2014/15 promotion to the Premier League was plausible but the club was in that close but no cigar zone and lacked any sort of vision for what to do if they actually made it and worse, survived there. I don't think anyone took the idea of QPR in the Championships seriously at the time, which is a serious lack of foresight to me. Using the National Stadium as a club ground does undermine the notion that it is a National Stadium and provides a counter-narrative that its really just QPR Park and the SFU are allowed to use it when their tenant's don't need it. From a branding and financial point of view, the deal no matter how it is looked at, is messy, not really satisfactory for either party and forced by the need to try to do two things at once but neither particularly successfully or sustainably.
Ultimately, irrespective of what the future of QPR actually is, we don't actually need both Hampden and Murrayfield, that makes the financial situation of both unnecessarily complex given how how easily adaptable a football ground is to convert to hosting rugby or American and Canadian rules football (see the use of football venues for NFL games in London) and vice versa. The English with their much bigger population and tax-base can afford to run Twickenham and Wembley as separate entities and rent themselves out as an when they are required without having to worry about these very issues. This suggests a lack of actual fore-thought on the part of funding agencies, including the Millennium Commission who funded this most recent version of Hampden and that we are a bit of an outlier compared to most other places who have some sort of gridiron based game alongside soccer.
Politically yes, trying to get the SFA and SRU to agree to share a ground would be sensitive and the cultures that underpin both games are different, but it would largely address a lot of the financial issues for both organisations and necessitate QPR's use of the much more suitable Lesser Hampden full-time whilst freeing up Murrayfield for refurbishment and redevelopment to account for flexible seating capacity needs (let's say 30,000 as standard allowing for more attendence at matches, with extra levels opening out for special events) as an answer for the Edinburgh team's longer term issues with their grounds, whilst still providing a viable source of income as a concert and events venue.
QP anti football fan, tried to lock Dundee fans out of championship decider.
Never forgiven.
God I remember that. Maybe that what the plan was all along
We sold out our home allocation and attempted to use a section of the standing allocation for home fans, which the sfa blocked. Don't talk shite
@@starshot131 lol, you reduced capacity of away end, denied fans the chance to see title decider......you had aboot 56 fans .....so don't talk shite
@@gb194 I was at the game. Dundee had the exact same away allocation everyone else did, and we did indeed sell out the main stand. In fact, the game was televised, so you can check that for yourself if you don't believe me :)
@@starshot131 no they didnt they limited the capacity.......so beat it