PS5 DualSense Edge Controller Teardown: A $200 Step in the Right Direction
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- If consoles are your gateway to exploring fantastic new worlds then your controller is the key that opens that gate. So getting the right controller that’s comfortable to use, fully featured, and durable has for some become as important as which console to buy. Enter Sony’s Dual Sense Edge, a $200 customizable and somewhat modular controller with enough new features that Sony hopes serious gamers will be willing to splurge a little extra for. With additional buttons, adjustable triggers, and the ability to create different profiles, it seems like Sony has thought of everything. And with modular thumb sticks, could it be that they’ve also considered repairability? Let’s find out.
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It's great they chose a battery that can power the controller for 2 whole hours.
Better for the environment you know?
2 hours is enough for my gaming standards
@@Oven-wc1ji 💀 the one that came with ps5 my batt lasts 2-3 max that seems crazy!
Turn it on select Netflix it’ll auto shut off do that 2-3x and batt is already dead’
2023 and we can’t get 8-10 hr batt life 🤯
🤔 Only 2 hours, Got 7 hours 50 minutes out of mine.
@@deanlynch11811 for now, in a year or two that controller is gonna last 1-2h without a battery replacement. My regular dualsense lasts 3-4h now.
Edit: I’m using the Edge wired-only now to preserve battery life.
No matter how repairable they are, If I pay 200$ for a controller it's better do my chores and pay my taxes
They gotta get those suckers with more money than sense to make up for the losses made on the consoles somehow.
Cooking dinner would be a must..
Man if you can’t afford this controller….then Clearly your not making enough to buy the nice things in life and would rather complain about it lol all good maybe one day sport
@@OldStickyRice check your privilege.
@@OldStickyRice get off your high horse princess, you probably work at Starbucks.
Going with a smaller battery is an interesting choice, My dualsense-controllers that I have right now got a low run-time as it is, rather not have it plugged in constantly because of small battery
You're speaking truth. My Xbox One controllers last at least twice as long as my DualSense controllers.
I already heard from some people owning the Edge controller that the battery life is a lot shorter. This is very unfortunate since otherwise I would love the controller. This is the main reason I don't want to buy it myself, and it just doesn't sound like an expensive upgrade if the battery lasts for a lot shorter time. In my opinion an upgrade should have the same specs or better, not this much worse. It is a big difference, almost 50% less battery.
Company trick, they just want you to buy two and switch off.
I play a sessions and still have 1-2 bars depending if it’s 4-5 hours so if this last 3 I’m good
Looking at how packed that controller is I think that physical size of the battery cannot go any bigger..
When I got the announcement email, I was interested. And then I saw the price. The biggest downfall is one of its most praised features, the sticks. Sure, they're easily repairable if you get drift, but if they were that concerned, why didn't they just switch to Hall Effect sticks instead. They're selling you the problem and the solution when they could just not sell the problem to begin with.
Or at least sell a Hall-effect stick module separately
Sure still greedy af, but would make for a much more enticing product in the end
They didn't implement hall effect sensors because they know they wouldn't get forced repeat sales.
@@neutronpcxt372exactly hall effect sensors have been around since the beginning they just removed them for a cheaper less reliable thumb stick instead to make extra money off gamers
Gulikit has committed to making hall effect sensor for this controller
@@UpgradeRL God tier manufacturer :)
Maybe they could make upgrade kits for other controllers as well :)
Love my DualSense Edge so far. Yes, the battery life is notably shorter, but I also am sitting right next to a power strip so it’s no big deal to plug it in for a bit and keep gaming
One of my good friends and her sister picked up a couple of them. They said those controllers are the best ones they've ever used. Worth the 400 she dumped on them. From how they feel, to button mapping, weight, trigger adjustment switches, and repairability, I hear nothing but positives. Considering getting myself one.
"I know why they called it Dualsense EDGE. It gives you an edge in any game over anyone using the regular Dualsense once you learn how to really use it."
and
"The entire way the controller is charged, length, and type of cable, and locking mechanism will go a long way in preventing wear out which is top tier for the price point."
(They had worn out their original PS5 DualSense charging cables within 5 months of getting the console because they prefer staying wired rather than wireless. They also wore out 3 Dualsense controllers over drift issues caused by: Reaching POT's rated cycle life for her, and "Cheeto dust" for her sister which was said in jest as they're both clean freaks.)
They're gamers to the core so if they say it's good, it's good.
At this point repairability is just a marketing point. Yes you can replace the thumb stick. But in the meantime they upsold you by more than 100% on the controller, and by having a "module" instead of a design that has in mind replacement parts, they are upselling you even on the 20$ replacement
people are trained to not take repairability granted anymore. It's not a luxury, it's a right and a neccessity.
You don't have to buy the 1st party replacement parts. Just like the Xbox controllers, where you can totally buy 3rd party batteries, thumb sticks, motors, buttons, and even the shells.
@@patx35 that doesn't really affect my point that repairability has been used just as a marketing tool to upsell you to buy more and more expensive stuff at all
@@salmiakki5638 Based on the other features, repairability isn't what justifies the price tag. Looks more like a hotswap thumb sticks is meant for personalization, rather than being practical.
It's really cool to see Hall effect sensors in the triggers. That said, we've already seen this 10 years ago with the Xbox One (and now Series) controllers.
It gets even less impressive when you remember that the Sega Saturn 3D controller had Hall sensing technology in their triggers and thumbstick back in 1996.
Apparently a handful of Dualshock 3 variants supposedly had Hall sensing sticks as well.
Seriously, these manufacturers need to stop messing around.
All 15 owners of the Xbox One got to enjoy those triggers as well, 10 years ago.
Hall effect sensors have been used in the automotive realm for decades, from ABS to Tachometers. If a manufacturer ever says durability is a "problem" with Hall effect just know they're lying
@@terracar2003 lol, incredible! The tech is old AF 🤣
That said, I can't help but feel a box of stray neodymium magnets could ruin everything. I mean that scenario might probably be a disaster without hall effect anyway
@@terracar2003durability is code for less sales of replacement sticks as Hall effect last longer due to no friction - it’s all about the $$$$
Just ordered mine today. It’ll be here by the end of the day tomorrow! Can’t wait!
Downgrading the battery on 200$ controller is no buy for me
At least gulikit is making replacement hall effect sensor joysticks for this controller.
I already did and so far, it's very much worth it. And now seeing the internals, besides the battery being smaller and pots still being used, I'm overall very impressed. Pretty good job Sony, now if we can get 3rd party analog modules with hall effects and maybe just maybe a good 3rd party higher mAh battery. Can't wait for Solid State Batteries.
Samsung and Apple are blocking solid state batteries, it would destroy their phone sales.
@@EarthSpank What?? It would literally make the battery life way better and stay good. Or they would make the batteries smaller with similar battery life and make more space for other components, like cameras or speakers. Why would you think it would make their phone sales plummet let alone you thinking they wanna stop it lmao
@@rickshawdriverhoothoot1592 Samsung spends millions to make people think they're researching solid state batteries, but they already exist for smaller devices. Most cellphone's are bought because the battery has worn out, period.
@@EarthSpank what small devices use them then?
@@rickshawdriverhoothoot1592 pacemakers have used solid state batteries since forever. Nobody knows that, but they know samsung spends millions on "research", because the media is paid by Samsung.
That piano black plastic feels cheap and it wil scratch easily.
Great ideas and features are present but for the price it should've been using hall effect stick + triggers. A smaller battery also not ideal. It would be great if they enable the software customisations for the regular ones
If the sticks were hall-effect, they'd never sell any replacements XD... Of course they are still potentiometers.
Your bendy fingers low key got me changing the video 😂
Seeing that called a rather easy battery replacement makes me like just having AA rechargeable batteries in my trusty old Xbox controller.
Also the spring in the triggers is much bigger in the Edge. Which should make it more durable.
I bought one and I’m very happy with it. The 4 hours battery life is good for me as I rarely have more than that to play.
It’s actually more than 4 usually but I don’t like to deplete the battery completely. I’m OCD like that.
By far one the of better efforts towards repairability.
I would have preferred an easy to swap battery and opening the device to change the sticks, which would be a rare occurence if they were hall effect sensors. I think the idea is to market a variety of sticks with different charectiristics. I still feel a sawpable compenent like keyboard caps would waste less plastic on sticks' hot swap case.
Battery is easy to replace problem is finding one that fits thats 4000 mah the regular controller doesn't have that issue
Exactly, really glad they didnt make it cramped and instead made it pretty simple to take apart and re-put together.
Nice ending 😂
I find it borderline insulting that the sticks are the old pot sticks you find in a $20 Walmart controller on a premium device that costs 10x as much.
Very interesting video, sir...i like it. Im also a technician but for phone repair.
I was really interested until I heard the price. If it was just a bit cheaper I'd go for it considering I've already got drift on my normal dualsense
You should try to repair the drifting stick! If it's between that and throwing out the controller, what's there to lose?
Agreed. It is expensive. And the joysticks still remaining potentiometers doesn't help. If they were hall sensors it would have been much better.
Yeah at $AU 399.00 here in Australia I''l stick with the stock Dual sense controller that came with my PS 5.
I have it. Love it. Battery life sucks. Will return.
We need Tension analog sticks!! 🤞
Did NOT expect that ending. lol
I hope the host mentions Guilkit in some way.
What about the repeatability score?
after less than a week of heavy use of the right paddle (boost on rocket league) the housing for the paddle became loose and the paddle felt mushy. sent it in for repair and just got it back yesterday and the housing is still slightly loose. guess we'll see how long it'll take before it's unresponsive again
Great to see you, Sony, adding features that make repairability easier. I have to say I’m a little disappointed you guys haven’t done this with the Xbox elite series 2 controller.
Battery needs to be more modular as well, great teardown!
Common sense here - due to the amount of hardware added to the existing size of the controller they had no choice but to shrink the battery to fit it all in. Alternatively they could have used a higher density battery pack which holds more power in the same physical size. Only other option would be to increase the controller size to compensate for a larger battery.
It’s also a pity the stock stick caps attach via plastic clips whereas the Xbox elite uses metal and magnets, however the edge has replaceable sticks instead. Sony should have used Hall effect sticks as well or have them as a genuine option. Overall I like the heftier and heavier feel despite the shorter run time. Hopefully a V2 of the edge has a higher capacity battery like the rumoured dual sense v2.
I wonder if you can remove the battery to see it works with only wire or not 🤔
The problem with hall effect sticks is **absolutely nobody** make them. Yes, you can get "upgrade kits" for your steam deck and whatsnot, but good luck finding them from an industrial-certified supplier like Panasonic, Kalih or Alps. They also usually come "in pieces" and require PCB re-design.
Although, you can get hall-effect sticks for like your excavator panel, but those are $500 a pop. Good luck.
You forget that there are drone makers like DJI use hall effect sticks for their controllers. Why not ask them where they get their sticks from?
Stop making excuses for their behalf. Their real purpose is to make the controllers a disposable commodity to ensure a steady stream of sales in the console's lifetime.
@@triadwarfare DJI likely have custom-everything, including custom gimbals for their sticks.
I am literally trying to find Hall effect sticks to build my own controller. But like I said I literally cannot find any. I wish I can and I certainly think manufacturers will at least consider switching to those has it been a option.
Just got mine and it's the best controller I've ever held.
Looks quite well built. Some internals made out of metal, and way more reparable and accessible than the Elite series 2.
By any chance do you know what the parts is call at 2:22?
Sony has decided to sell you a solution to a problem that they could have fixed by using Hall Effect Joysticks. I don't feel they deserve that much praise for this to be honest.
I thought so at first too. There are other changes, watch for the blog post for more details.
What I don't like is the USB Connector on the Main Board.
That was seperate on the Dual Shock 4, but then again, we didn't talk about it enough and tell them we loved that...
For a insane Sucker! Price parts were El Cheapo especially the Potentiometers
I would be so happy when hall effect sensors for thumbsticks become available. Just hope it doesn't cost too much. Guilikit says they're going to make it, firstly for the Edge before a complete controller, but I've not seen anything yet.
As for the Edge's battery that is pitiful IMO. I get just about 3 hours per time use with mine.
Notwithstanding the Edge is way better than the standard controller from my experience. The standard one last just 2 weeks use for me before it started drifting. I have the Edge now about 2 months now playing approx 6-8 hours every day with no issues other than the battery life.
Great critique BTW. I agree with all.
With the sticks being so modular I hope Sony would create an upgraded hall effect stick modules later down the road. Maybe 3rdparty sticks would be an option...
Because honestly, it is hard to see incentives for Sony to cut off their $20 per stick revenue flow.
I preorderd back in Nov an I am not disappointed
So, you have one? You're using it? I really want to know what the battery life is like?
@@joshuaewalker I mean it comes with like a 10 ft wire that locks into the port I don’t have battery life issues cause I don’t run out of battery
@@joshuaewalker I’ve Gina 4 hrs non stop on the battery I mean I’m proberly not the best to test battery cause I don’t run for more then that at a time
@Joshua Walker Nonstop playing Call of Duty the controller when dead after 7 hours and 49 minutes
@@deanlynch11811 that’s not even bad
Why would anyone spend $200 on potentiometer based controllers? Both Sony and Microsoft know of stick drift and how to fix it. The cost to fix isn't significant when your dealing with a $200 version so why can even mid-level manufacturers manage to put them on their handheld gaming systems. It nice that both manufacturers left a huge window for third-party to come in and make better peripherals.
Right trigger is sticking for me now when I have the trigger lock on. Time to teardown!
*If you super glue the nipply back buttons onto the flatty paddys you can become a Dualsense super saiyan saipan.*
I love your videos. I love your story you’re nice up here in Michigan. Thank you for being nice.
Hey man, this is exactly the video I was looking for. Thanks. My dualsense edge fell and the left stick is broken, the replacement module is sold out in my region and as far as I can tell, everywhere else too. I have a question you might be able to answer.
I bought 2 replacement pots, one has hall effect, one doesn't, later today I'll be going back to the repair shop that suggested buying the replacement pot to have them switched out, will the haul effect pot work in the dualsense edge? As far as I can tell the dimensions and prongs are all exactly the same size as the original broken pot. Thoughts?
I lost my center screw and broke my T1 bumper. Yay.
Sadly bumper replacements for the Edge do not exist.... at all.
If my controller isn’t charging that well (I have to orientate the charger a different way in order to charge it and I’ve tried multiple chargers) does that just require a battery repair or more
wow i didn’t know rubles clipped in that’s easy weight reduction. also could get rid of uneeded like paddles
4:56 Or Sifu, for that matter.
Nice ending, BTW. 🤣🤣
I can almost guarantee either Sony or a 3rd party will make "premium" module replacements with hall effect sensors
Gulikit is making them already, kinda makes sense to do it. You'll make a fortune off of it.
I'm on my third replacement from Sony and now I'm giving up. It's always the same issue. My left back paddle fails.
At first its fine. Then within a few weeks of use, it gets intermittent and then it's just hit and miss when it wants to work.
From your video, I can see its easy to get to the failed part. But then I wouldn't know where to find a replacement part to do it myself. I can't be bothered with dealing with Sony again.
When they finally do one in black or a UK case for it I will buy one!
"Why battery smaller"
Its that or having a bigger controller, it clearly couldn't fit a bigger one internally without extreme differences in body
Tearing down to hydrodip. Thanky ou for making it succinct.
I defiantly would be willing to pay $200.00 or more for that kind of repairability.
Can you do a comparison of the rubber underlining of the face buttons with the edge and regular DualSense? I feel like in the two edge controllers the face buttons have felt way different and not in a good way. I also see a lot of people saying the same thing. What’s the cause for this?
It is repairable alright, but with all those extra components and small & thin plastic parts, they are adding additional point for failures that would unnecessarily raise repair cost (plus spareparts availability issue, since this is a premium product); which technically making it less viable for repair compared to PS4/3 or standard 360 controller which have its spareparts more commonly available and affordable.
So close to 1 million subscribers. Can't wait for the diamond playbutton teardown.
I splurged and not a crazy gamer..but I am a collector lol...so I try to keep my PlayStation ish up
This controller reminds me of something.. I can't quite put my finger on it. Something from the past. Something old. I know I've seen this before. The faint sound of _elite_ echoes for a moment then is gone just as fast. I know I've seen this before.
And just like the elite, like 10 pro controllers before it lol. Microsoft didn't invent pro controller homie xD
@@juancarlos131291
You're not wrong homie
200€! Still using potentiometers!! Why?!!!
They put hall sensor just on the trigger 🤦♀️
No comment...
Dude just casually skipped 95% of the teardown for removing the circuit board and thought we wouldn't notice.....
Sony didn’t move from the old joysticks so you replace them with the new replace feature for more money
The still used plastic parts in the adaptive trigger? For that price?! No way!!
Nothing wrong with plastic so long as its fit for purpose. Durability and usability, the controller also needs to remain balanced.
I probably will because it'll be worth it in my opinion...
I can replace a normal controller 4 times for the price of this single controller, it's definitely not worth it.
I can’t wait to buy one, I want to add the sticks from the elite 2 to this to have those sweet magnetic sticks… but I’ll wait till they drop a black variant… or till extremerate drops new shells😎
I wonder if the Xbox Elite controllers are using Hall Effect Sensors for its hair trigger adjustments too (it's similar in design on the outside).
Alas, it too uses POT for the joysticks. And it's not modular like this guy.
They could use sticks that don't drift... But this would obviously remove the need for selling $20 replacements
Why would they give a more powerful controller an even smaller battery? My regular dualsense controllers have already had some noticeable battery life drop off, so I’m baffled why they’d make the pro controller battery even smaller
If the mechanical limitation of the trigger is defective because you pressed too hard in the heat of battle. is a repair easy and can be done yourself?
Replacable Thumbsticks, well if they used HALL effect sticks that "feature" wouldnt be necessary at all
It's a nice controller, But I wouldn't pay more than $120. These are aimed at pros, e-sports, and streamers. The issues with the pots, I'll fix it when it happens. I can vacuum de-solder and repair/replace as needed. I've had 12 controllers on seven systems with these pots. I've had one with drift and it was a Mad Cats controller for a game cube. Anyway, at that price I'll buy two controllers. One to use, while I repair the other.
If drift continues to be a problem, then maybe we should get keytar companies to make game controllers.
Investing a few bucks in in Hall Effect Joysticks < Selling Replacements with (aprox.) 35$ margin
I'm wondering if extremerate will come out with diy stuff for the dual sense edge, allowing you to have tactile face buttons and bumpers. Then once gulikit comes out with the hall effect modules it'll be worth purchasing and modding yourself simply cause you'll have a controller with very very little failure points.
Why dont you guys do a repairability scale at the end of the video much anymore?
We'll provide an update on scoring soon, we promise they're coming back!
I have wondered how their trigger works.
Love it, but the bubbles forming on the rubber grips is a big L
How easy would it be to remove the vibration motors completely? I always removed them on my DS4’s to save weight and I’d like to the same… but I can’t justify breaking this $200 controller open. This thing is heavy and i always catch myself resting my forearms on my legs or the desk. With all of the heavy stuff at the top of the controller I’d be afraid I’d disrupt the balance as well.
Great Controller, so good i bought 2. Yes because the Battery 🥹
I would love to have one of those, if here in brazil the prices werent beyond absurd.
How much will u pay if u bought one where u from
@@Theylovejadenbaby138 It costs 1449 reais today on Amazon, more than the monthly minimum wage here in Brazil.
@@themaskedfucker boy that’s a whole cheap car or a down payment on one tf omg that’s ridiculous
@@Theylovejadenbaby138 Yeah bro, and the real is not even the most undervalued currency in latin america.
The reality of electronics here is not the best.😅
I bet you the potentiometers on the triggers are going to be a future problem
Xbox and 8BitDo still winning on easiest battery swap.
That Elden Ring finish. 😂 Tell me you guys didn't actually catapult that poor dualsense controller into a wall of 2x4's! 5:11
Do we have to do the full teardown to change the left and right faceplate??
Here an idea to extend the battery,
take out the battery,
Cut the cable and extend it
Buy mobile phone battery 5000mah
Drill a hole for the battery cable
Solder it to the new 5000mah battery
Double tape between back button
Enjoy weeks of battery life 👍
Used this trick for my Bluetooth earphones
Is there anywhere selling replacement batteries for the the edge?
Not sure if it is on the right direction, but it sure is a step
I bought one just for those replaceable joysticks. I'm willing to pay more to reduce my e-waste. Finding out they're pots is very disappointing but what's this about gulikit replacements? Is there a link somewhere?
Ok so on the motherboard right, the mic jack ! Can you take that piece off and replace it ?? ! Ive never seen anyone take that off !!! And i want to take mine apart to replace that piece !
Looks pretty nice! At that price I'm gonna stick with my DS2 controller I use on PC. 😅
Owned an edge controller for just over a month now and the right trigger is starting to fail on me. Can feel it giving out when I press down to shoot. Could just be a one off which is what I’m hoping. Going to exchange for a new controller.
Did anyone tell you that you look like Jon Holmes?
Why repairability score was not shown ? I really like to see it
Possible to replace with hall effect ones?
Ready to desolder solder..
If they had used Hall sensors instead of pots, I would have purchased this to use to control robots.
What's this about third party joysticks? Maybe I will buy it.
The fact that they made it so easy to replace the thumbsticks, along with the fact that you can buy them individually, does lead me to believe there must be some practical reason why they haven't committed to the change required to fix stick drift. If their sole goal was to just milk money out of you then they wouldn't let you fix the thumbsticks at all, forcing you to buy a whole new controller. When you want to milk a customers money you don't offer them an easy solution to fix their problem, you instead create a problem and give the consumer no way to fix it; so that's quite counter intuitive. From our position of ignorance it's hard to say if they're running into some other conflict restricting them from changing the function.