The Truth About The Riots And The White Working Class

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
  • Journalist and co-editor of Tribune Magazine Taj Ali found himself at the centre of a communication network across the country - monitoring the far-right, keeping an eye on mosques and community centres, amplifying calls for support and debunking fake news of rioting. Here's his firsthand account of what happened and why.
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Комментарии • 439

  • @therealturtleton
    @therealturtleton 23 дня назад +70

    We are all systematically being divided at every turn and we have no chance at unity because its been happening since 1st grade .

    • @RavenRuled
      @RavenRuled 23 дня назад +3

      True. I mean 30 years ago we could argue but it didn't stop communication. The issue the last 10 years is the media and now gov't is big on catering to all these groups and there are just too many groups so people fall thru the cracks.

    • @bookinsights1092
      @bookinsights1092 23 дня назад +1

      Stop with this we are all systematically being divided nonsense. The majority of Brits voted for Brexit because they had enough of immigration and they are still not being listened to. Native brits want their country to look like Britain and not Africa or the Middle East.

    • @A-se2ur
      @A-se2ur 22 дня назад +4

      That has been happening since the inception of the monarchy / British empire.

    • @user-bh4ld8ku3i
      @user-bh4ld8ku3i 22 дня назад +5

      People wanted division for headlines, and catch phrases to spread hate, the media need to hold themselves responsible for this mess

    • @polybian_bicycle
      @polybian_bicycle 22 дня назад +4

      Yes, but the differences are real, and not merely imaginary.

  • @scottthompson405
    @scottthompson405 23 дня назад +48

    I remember reading Taj Ali’s article on Marsh Farm and getting in touch with him on Twitter to tell him it was one of the best articles I had read in years and at the time he said thank you because he was thinking about packing in journalism, so glad he didn’t because he has gone from strength to strength with Tribune and now he’s on Novara Media! Keep up the good work.

  • @popgoesaweasle920
    @popgoesaweasle920 22 дня назад +17

    Poverty brings out the worst of people. The filthy rich are laughing at the divided poor.

    • @gtrdxz
      @gtrdxz 19 дней назад

      Its not poverty, its losers begging to live with us.

    • @ImBABYJANEHUDSON
      @ImBABYJANEHUDSON 19 дней назад

      Nope! Identity politics brings out the worst in people.

    • @greni7472
      @greni7472 19 дней назад

      One rioter went on holiday to Dubai before returning for sentencing.

  • @riyadougla539
    @riyadougla539 22 дня назад +12

    The video is more about the asian/muslim working class more than anything else. Last year I went to Bangladesh, literally everybody treated me like a foreigner including my relatives. Unfortunately politicians, the media and even the education system stirs trouble amongst the people.

    • @tomb020780
      @tomb020780 17 дней назад +2

      That must have been really tough, i'm sorry to hear that 💙
      I don't know anything at all about Bangladeshi society or politics, but divide and rule has worked for the ruling classes across continents and across centuries.

  • @chrisgibson6055
    @chrisgibson6055 23 дня назад +24

    24:17 ~
    "There are a lot of good people in our communities. A lot of them don’t call themselves socialist or on the left. And I think that's the mindset we need to have. I tend not to talk about the left needs to do this or tha - I tend to talk about communities and class and individuals.."
    Nicely balanced view.
    Enthralling chat with a lot of good ground covered. Thank you both😉

    • @lowbearful
      @lowbearful 17 дней назад

      people don't want to associate or use those words not because their idealogy does have conflict with it but because the media has always painted it in a very negative light and those people are usually strawmanned and stereotyped in some way or another. i think you do need some common ideas to bring people together and form communities. i'm not sure "working class" as a label is really any more an effective/better way to do it though. unions themselves are very good starting points of course but back when we had more organised and militant unions no one was scared or bothered to call themselves a socialist like they are today

    • @davidalderson4980
      @davidalderson4980 15 дней назад

      Thanks. That's a really interesting point. Unfortunately we need a way of differentiating ourselves from the far right, but the problem is they also distance themselves from any such terminology and claim to represent common sense, ordinary values, etc.

  • @blackdogbarking
    @blackdogbarking 23 дня назад +37

    Very impressed by Taj Ali what he says about rise of misogyny and its use by the far right is spot on.

    • @GordonFlash1983
      @GordonFlash1983 22 дня назад +5

      He could do with addressing the Muslim grooming gangs. The more it is buried, the more resentment you are going to cause.

    • @jasonhaven7170
      @jasonhaven7170 21 день назад +7

      @@GordonFlash1983 The vast majority of grooming gangs aren't Muslim.

    • @GordonFlash1983
      @GordonFlash1983 21 день назад

      @@jasonhaven7170 Yes they are. Look at the Home Office report. Type 1 ie pedophiles working alone are predominantly white but type 2 ie grooming gangs are 83% Muslim.

    • @blazingmytrail1962
      @blazingmytrail1962 18 дней назад

      @@jasonhaven7170 but they ARE protected, along with grooming gangs in positions of power, enabling them to continue.

  • @Z_Snowball
    @Z_Snowball 23 дня назад +72

    Taj Ali is aamazing, please ask him if he'd like to contribute regularly.

    • @jonahwhale9047
      @jonahwhale9047 23 дня назад +20

      The best thing about him was that he was very quick to admit where & when he did not know, & refused to pontificate where he did not. If only more "experts" would do that.

    • @Z_Snowball
      @Z_Snowball 23 дня назад +2

      @@blackwarb I understood everything he said fine. And there's nothing wrong with speaking in broken English 🙂

    • @tyriqkhalil
      @tyriqkhalil 22 дня назад +1

      dudes based as shit.

  • @Tokyodisco1
    @Tokyodisco1 23 дня назад +43

    Really compassionate discussion and why we shouldn't label all white working class ppl as the same

    • @frankshailes3205
      @frankshailes3205 23 дня назад +6

      Exactly. Many are opposed to Tories and the Far Right, and Starmer's anti-Left stance.

    • @MartianTom
      @MartianTom 23 дня назад +1

      People.

    • @vitalyl1327
      @vitalyl1327 22 дня назад

      It's saddening when Marxists somehow manage to forget the difference between proletariat and lumpenproletariat.

    • @jasonhaven7170
      @jasonhaven7170 21 день назад

      @@vitalyl1327 Which one were the "protestors"?

    • @vitalyl1327
      @vitalyl1327 21 день назад

      @@jasonhaven7170 lumpens, obviously.

  • @skankindjedi
    @skankindjedi 21 день назад +23

    we need more non whites to talk about the white working class!!

  • @gregoryb6
    @gregoryb6 23 дня назад +16

    Taj offers insight, analysis, and real experience at community organizing. Please get him back often.

  • @Orlando-qj7bh
    @Orlando-qj7bh 23 дня назад +77

    why are the racists always the fastest to comment 😂

  • @baraustad
    @baraustad 23 дня назад +11

    What a wonderful conversation! Thank you so much!

  • @joescarecrow
    @joescarecrow 23 дня назад +26

    Wouldn't it have been better to get a white working class person on to talk about themselves. This is an outsider looking in.

    • @ynysmones3816
      @ynysmones3816 22 дня назад +8

      Exactly.

    • @BedOfNettles
      @BedOfNettles 22 дня назад +8

      You don't seem to have a problem talking about minorities when none are in the room, and you consider your opinions of them completely accurate. How is this different?

    • @GordonFlash1983
      @GordonFlash1983 22 дня назад +1

      Well said.

    • @ImBABYJANEHUDSON
      @ImBABYJANEHUDSON 19 дней назад

      EXACTLY!!!! White Working Class people actually have a lot to say about White Working Class people.

  • @upendasana7857
    @upendasana7857 23 дня назад +52

    What a seriously impressive young man !!

    • @gtrdxz
      @gtrdxz 19 дней назад

      thats a female

  • @roadtohope
    @roadtohope 23 дня назад +32

    I remember the days of the NF racists have always been there

  • @TRWorld490
    @TRWorld490 22 дня назад +4

    This was a brilliant discussion. Had never heard of Taj Ali before this. Very impressive guy. Please, more of Taj.

  • @denism8494
    @denism8494 23 дня назад +55

    This comment section is interesting. Sudden surge in many obvious bot accounts, all with the same profile picture and dodgy links in profile. Obvious bots are being directed at this channel in an attempt to discredit it.

    • @abraxis20
      @abraxis20 23 дня назад +18

      Downvote them so their posts slip to the bottom and ignore them. That's what I do most of the time.

    • @explorer0213
      @explorer0213 23 дня назад +9

      Happening lot other channels

    • @user-bh4ld8ku3i
      @user-bh4ld8ku3i 22 дня назад +6

      Calling opponents far right is straight out of Communists play book

    • @Nemo12417
      @Nemo12417 22 дня назад

      @@user-bh4ld8ku3i Burning down buildings specifically because there are brown people in them is not far right?

    • @mousaka878
      @mousaka878 22 дня назад +4

      Oh my ! … any different opinion must be a ‘bot ‘ … about sums it all up !

  • @tomb020780
    @tomb020780 17 дней назад +2

    Great convo, really helpful for a middle aged white middle class dude to absorb 😊 thanks Ash x

  • @allanmckeown8417
    @allanmckeown8417 23 дня назад +8

    Grenfell is only a stones throw from Holland park, two totally different communities next door to each other.

    • @juliewake4585
      @juliewake4585 22 дня назад +2

      Yes indeed. When it first happened there was a story that the cladding on the front of the buildings where miserly there because it made the outside look a bit more attractive for the wealthy people having those areas.

  • @tylern.4230
    @tylern.4230 21 день назад +13

    Where's the white working class representation in this video?

    • @andrewcooper103
      @andrewcooper103 20 дней назад +4

      Douglas murray couldn't make it he was on a dinner date with Dr David starky .both apologise for not being present to speak for the white working class

    • @MrRailjunkie
      @MrRailjunkie 16 дней назад

      @@andrewcooper103 If Douglas Murray & David Starkey speak for the white working class then god help the white working class. They don't need racist bigots to speak for them.

  • @teddydavis2339
    @teddydavis2339 19 дней назад +12

    The British have replaced natives in North America, yet they want their country back. Well, the natives in the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand want their countries back as well. The UK is failing because of their government. They need to stop blaming foreigners and look at themselves.

    • @rob12x56
      @rob12x56 19 дней назад +3

      So?????
      Natives in uk , Australia, Canada are facing the same issue??
      I don't even understand what you are trying to say???
      Two wrongs don't make a right. If you think colonisation and replacement is bad then shouldn't you support the white british.

    • @ImBABYJANEHUDSON
      @ImBABYJANEHUDSON 19 дней назад +3

      So maybe we should all leave and return to our wonderful motherlands. The U.K. belongs to the indigenous population.

    • @anthonymullen6300
      @anthonymullen6300 18 дней назад +3

      The Arabs replaced native Africans in North Africa funny how no one talks about that.

    • @anthonymullen6300
      @anthonymullen6300 18 дней назад +2

      Do you actually believe the Arabs built the pyramids do you actually think the native Egyptians are Muslims did you ever hear of coptic Christians in Egypt because they are the native, and we know how they're treated well at least I do because I lived in Egypt for over 12 months

  • @user-bh4ld8ku3i
    @user-bh4ld8ku3i 22 дня назад +3

    People wanted division for headlines, and catch phrases to spread hate, the media need to hold themselves responsible for this mess

  • @jamescroxall7595
    @jamescroxall7595 17 дней назад +7

    How are any of you two qualified to take about white working class ? It’s like me as a white man talking about black and Asian working class which I know nothing about

    • @EastEndHoops
      @EastEndHoops 12 дней назад

      They discuss the white working class on the stated premise that they have a lot in common with the black/asian working class. I would have liked this interview to discuss in more detail what they understand that common ground to be, though I know what Ash believes it is: a shared relationship to the means of production and shared material conditions. Black and white alike are all wage slaves and presented with a life choice of either poverty with overwork or poverty with unemployment. That impacts your material life much more than religious or cultural preferences.

    • @EastEndHoops
      @EastEndHoops 12 дней назад

      To be fair, Ash did try to discuss the loss of shared workplaces (Bradford mills etc) where workers of different races could develop awareness of their common ground and a mutual class consciousness. Taj has just accepted those factories don’t exist anymore and is promoting things like “community meetings” but in the end I think the strongest solidarity between UK ethnic groups will come from workplace organisation. The big challenge is how to organise a working class largely employed in the service sector and gig economy.

  • @IshtarNike
    @IshtarNike 23 дня назад +24

    35:08 we absolutely need to talk about white flight in the UK because it's insane how it's discussed all the time in relation to America but not the UK where it's heavily in evidence. All those parts of east London that are majority minority didn't get that way because we "displaced them." White people purposely left because they just didn't like living near us.

    • @GregOrCreg
      @GregOrCreg 23 дня назад +9

      But Taj made a great argument as to why some communities are segregated. Each community has different needs. A Muslim community is not going to have any need for a pub, and a white British community won't have much need for a Halel butchers. It's a shame they don't therefore live next to each other, but is it 'racism', or is it personal and cultural need? And Taj makes a great point about the things that can bind different people (including work).

    • @desaidahartunian6654
      @desaidahartunian6654 23 дня назад +3

      White people left not because they didn’t want to live with the minorities, but because everything changed so much around them, like shops, foods, etc, that they felt like an outsider in that area.

    • @XavierJAlexander
      @XavierJAlexander 23 дня назад +8

      Also the idea east London has no white people is a bit mad if you’ve walked through it in 2024 😂 they’re all moving back if anything

    • @farzanamughal5933
      @farzanamughal5933 23 дня назад +3

      More of a class thing

    • @fifilamour1344
      @fifilamour1344 23 дня назад +4

      ​@@GregOrCregThere is no such thing as white British culture.

  • @juliewake4585
    @juliewake4585 22 дня назад +2

    It’s so good to hear someone say that they need to look at something it more detail before making a comment. What a wonderful idea.

  • @salimalam400
    @salimalam400 21 день назад +2

    A very thought-provoking interview. Well worth watching.

  • @TranquiloTrev
    @TranquiloTrev 23 дня назад +12

    Well done Taj, you did a great job.

  • @matthewnunn6594
    @matthewnunn6594 20 дней назад +10

    18:22... "What you'd call the "petit bourgeoise"". No no no... That's not what I'd call them, nor should anyone else in Britain, those sorts of phrases give you away. The conflation of the left and Islamism should be genuinly frightening to most normal people in this country, no matter what community you live in.

    • @isabelcooke3476
      @isabelcooke3476 19 дней назад

      Give you away as having a wider analysis?!

    • @matthewnunn6594
      @matthewnunn6594 19 дней назад +1

      @@isabelcooke3476 no, as having an 19 century political view based in murderous revolutionary ideals. In Mao's cultural revolution it was considered bourgeois to have a pet! There is no room for that sort of language in modern discourse.

    • @RO-wn1dg
      @RO-wn1dg 17 дней назад +3

      @@matthewnunn6594mao doesn’t have a monopoly on the word “bourgeoisie”

  • @JenLea
    @JenLea 22 дня назад +7

    I'm Irish. We do not claim Tommy.

    • @harimauindia5775
      @harimauindia5775 19 дней назад +1

      Nothing is funnier than an Irish man,of all people, being a British patriot

    • @Erinbold
      @Erinbold 15 дней назад

      Tommy Robinson is a man of his time , the Irish republican movement ended realistically 30 years ago, the UK and Ireland had yet to be changed utterly by mass migration, the British flag the Irish flag the entire system is packaged in old symbols that's no longer represent the places they are proper to represent. The nation state was considered no longer for for purpose in the late 90s , people are now walking up to the fact that sovereign states are a thing if the past 😊

  • @queenieman6883
    @queenieman6883 22 дня назад +16

    you cant really sit here and talk about the white working class without someone representing the white working class

    • @user-bh4ld8ku3i
      @user-bh4ld8ku3i 22 дня назад +3

      Calling opponents far right is straight out of Communists play book

    • @BedOfNettles
      @BedOfNettles 22 дня назад +10

      Plenty of people sit talk about migrants without someone representing migrants in the room, but of course you're completely fine with that.

    • @queenieman6883
      @queenieman6883 22 дня назад +5

      @@BedOfNettles i believe discussion about immigration would be more indepth with migrants involved the same as discussion about the white working class with white working class ppl involved would also benefit the topic.. theres alot to go around.
      i feel this is where Novara lacks in variety, especially when appealing to a large demographic of this country that has moved away from traditionally leftist/labour movement roots

    • @ProfoundThinker-c5z
      @ProfoundThinker-c5z 22 дня назад +9

      I've just made this point. If it was another group, you would insist on having of that group speaking. You would not have a British Asian speaking about the experience of the Black community, and vice-versa.
      They have actually inadvertently demonstrated one of the main problems we have - which is that the white working-class are not even acknowledged or treated on the same terms as other interest groups.
      Ali spends most of his time here speaking about issues that are of absolutely no interest to the white working-class in deindustrialised northern communities. They don't care about minority issues or diversity...GB News is genuinely more in touch with working-class issues than Novara.

    • @MrRailjunkie
      @MrRailjunkie 16 дней назад

      @@ProfoundThinker-c5z GB News funded to the tune of 60 million quid. How many working class people can afford to fund a T.V channel to the tune of 60 million quid? GB News features rich posh silver spoon fed toffs like Jacob Reece Mogg & Nigel Farage. Since when have they ever been in touch with working class people? You make a good point about speaking to a white working class person but to suggest that GB News in anyway represents the working class is nonsense. I Believe Novara want the best for the working class but GB News definitely doesn't. No Rightwing media represents or cares about the working class.

  • @alejandroadame141
    @alejandroadame141 23 дня назад +28

    i am mexican living in Scotland.. this island is fucked up... take me to Yucatan!!

    • @jamess-shaw5464
      @jamess-shaw5464 23 дня назад +1

      que tal amigo, take me with you

    • @DouglasCarnall
      @DouglasCarnall 23 дня назад +6

      Ach yer fine in Scotland. Just keep your wits about ye on Old Firm match days

    • @rothwellaudio
      @rothwellaudio 23 дня назад +15

      I presume you're not a prisoner here. You're free to go to Yucatan, but you'll have to take yourself.

    • @alejandroadame141
      @alejandroadame141 23 дня назад +2

      @@DouglasCarnall Scotland always good... i love it.. just miss the sunshine : )

    • @alejandroadame141
      @alejandroadame141 23 дня назад +1

      @@rothwellaudio Not a prisoner.. i go to mexico every year : )... somehow many years ago i thought Mexico was behind... but... lol.. it is not... TACOS!!!!

  • @roadtohope
    @roadtohope 23 дня назад +12

    Thank you for this 🙏🏼

  • @marcchrys
    @marcchrys 18 дней назад +2

    I'd be interested to know how Ash reconciles her socialism with her Muslim faith...one is humanist, progressive, democratic, committed to social change, the other (like most religions)is conservative, authoritarian, homophobic and misogynist.

  • @colincampbell4261
    @colincampbell4261 23 дня назад +2

    They had been told that there would be no room in the prison system and community service or heavy fines would be the worst.

  • @juliewake4585
    @juliewake4585 22 дня назад +9

    You’re so right about the threat that many people feel. My son works in Sunderland and many of his non-white colleagues (NHS staff) were terrified about going to work when all this was going on.

    • @ProfoundThinker-c5z
      @ProfoundThinker-c5z 22 дня назад +1

      I don't recall many people on the Left speaking out when British Jews were afraid to leave their homes. And I don't recall many on the Left condemning the 'hate marches' for creating an environment of intolerance and intimidation, making British Jews feel unsafe.

  • @markcross8649
    @markcross8649 22 дня назад +5

    Ash seems to get excited contemplating the prospects of widening inter-communal violence

  • @roadtohope
    @roadtohope 23 дня назад +17

    Ash amazing as ever good interview with Taj

  • @edpoole1942
    @edpoole1942 23 дня назад +1

    Thank you for covering this. It is so important left wing activists and not just politicians and academics get a platform.

  • @stardust5397
    @stardust5397 23 дня назад +15

    The far right - the people like me in Blackburnistan that have seen in their lifetime their environment & way of life disappear

    • @gamerknown
      @gamerknown 23 дня назад +6

      Missing the £64m EU investment into East Lancashire?

    • @thomasmarsh6834
      @thomasmarsh6834 22 дня назад

      sounds like you have a problem with neoliberalism? Why would that inspire you to support of racist rioting?

    • @John-qy9nw
      @John-qy9nw 21 день назад

      ​@@gamerknownfrom whose wallets did that money come from in the first place? The shear HATRED shown towards the white working class is INCREDIBLE. It will be put a stop to, by hook or by crook.

    • @AtheistEve
      @AtheistEve 20 дней назад

      How has your way of life disappeared? I know that my town has altered over the centuries and decades. For instance, once a town of a thousand pubs, taverns and inns, now we’re reduced to six. No one seems to care round here.
      On the up side, we have more barbers, hairdressers, nail bars and tattoo parlours. Things change.

    • @briskyoungploughboy
      @briskyoungploughboy 14 дней назад

      That's the erosion of working class culture by affordability constraints and middle / upper class tastes and ideology. It's happening everywhere, regardless of ethnic composition.

  • @nishmukerjee9664
    @nishmukerjee9664 22 дня назад +1

    It was a great conversation between two clever people. Ali's over-usage of the word 'right' was a little annoying.

  • @Phessington
    @Phessington 20 дней назад +3

    I know that this video is partly about the far right, but this bloke has got rather carried away with saying *right* at the end of every sentence. He said right, about 1000 times.

    • @isabelcooke3476
      @isabelcooke3476 19 дней назад +1

      Probably just nerves, don't you think?

  • @fifilamour1344
    @fifilamour1344 23 дня назад +3

    England, not the 'UK'.

  • @frankezane583
    @frankezane583 23 дня назад +10

    6:51 come on man, so some guys come out to defend you and they have some beers in their hands and you find that disrespectful, seriously ! That there is exactly the problem, they have a right to drink alcohol in this country, this attitude won’t win you any friends. Remember they came to fight for you and protect your community

    • @ediandroid494
      @ediandroid494 23 дня назад +5

      The mainstream media portrays anti-fascists as a violent threat exactly as bad as the fascists, like we're all just football hooligans supporting rival teams. Drinking in the street when you have ostensibly come out to support your community and defend them from potential violence does indicate a lack of respect for the seriousness of the situation, and it certainly does nothing to counter the media narrative.

    • @apriljoy1094
      @apriljoy1094 22 дня назад +4

      @@ediandroid494 having a drink doesn’t mean someone isn’t serious. If you have a drunk at a business meeting does that mean it isn’t serious. I noted that point and it was offensive. Just as offensive as saying that at a woman’s right protest nobody in hijab should be there as it’s a symbol of patriarchy. If they turn up be polite even if you are to doctrinaire to be welcoming

  • @davidalderson4980
    @davidalderson4980 15 дней назад

    Brilliant talk, Taj. It's so important the Left looks critically at itself to fight the far right effectively.

  • @unfoldersarrangements
    @unfoldersarrangements 21 день назад +1

    Really inspiring to hear someone do such fantastic work, yes Taj Ali!

  • @omegaman4153
    @omegaman4153 16 дней назад

    If you could "Hack it" they could as well. The real issue is that a great many homegrown, multi-generational nationals feel such jobs are below them, so they miss out on whatever opportunity they could have made out of those unpopular positions.

  • @Bigjohn277
    @Bigjohn277 23 дня назад +1

    The "North East" is a very loose term, there was no trouble in Newcastle, North Tyneside, South Shields or Gateshead all with medium size migrant communities. The areas where there was trouble from from Sunderland down to Middlesborough which has a lot of former mining villages and towns.

  • @tracyharrison9536
    @tracyharrison9536 14 дней назад

    Thanks Taj! Great interview!!

  • @mrali3601
    @mrali3601 23 дня назад +1

    Suella Brave man the Asian ignoring hatred, would she ever face the music

  • @harveywetdog
    @harveywetdog 19 дней назад +1

    Very good and interesting commentary on the riots although I thought the constant reference to “the far right” was lazy. This group of people seemed far more mixed than this single tag.

  • @happydays4302
    @happydays4302 23 дня назад +6

    An excellent informative discussion, my bone to pick is the title - the discussion was primarily about the Muslim and Asian working class, id take the white out of the title. Which then brings up question have Novara media interviewed a white working class person about the riots because as Taj says dialogue is the way forward, understanding and socialising or working together is the way forward. So id be jnterested in you interviewing a white working class but slso a white middle class reform voter because im seeing aquatintences that i wouldn't call working class stick reform banners up over thier property during the elections or the well known british animal the lion with GB flags on thier social media with save Britain. I think the nuances in thier views and why they feel threatened need to be understood and not just derided as 'far right' to help us move forward.
    When Taj talks about there being only one white person you can see why thier might be tension for some white folk looking in at the situation, (and we need to remember pre brexit/russias war on Ukraine white immigrants also getting a lot of flack) which goes back to a point raised from the roundtable video "how many generations will it take for non-white people to be considered British?"
    This i feel is a really important question. Because ive seen time and time again, working jn different places around the world, that the country you have grown up jn has the biggest impact on your cultural habits/thinking, for want of a better word, not your parents culture although that obviously has some impact too. As Ash pointed out jn another video when she shared her thoughts on going back to visit her 'home' in Bangladesh as i think her mother put it. It wasnt her home, it didnt feel like home, the UK is. How do we get those that feel threatened by immigration to realise this is the only home children of immigrants have known - this is very much thier home country too. And research on how long it is before immigrants feel thier new country is home and the process of that transition which i am sure is different in each case, but when we have a large immigration population something that is useful to discuss.

    • @riyadougla539
      @riyadougla539 22 дня назад +1

      I went to Bangladesh last year, everyone including my cousins treated me like a foreigner. Britain is all I know.

    • @happydays4302
      @happydays4302 22 дня назад +2

      @@riyadougla539 likewise if I went to Ireland, I don't sound like I come from Ireland, I don't have social, cultural references/ mannerism of growing up there - I could learn some cultral heritage like Irish dancing and the Language but I would still be an obvious foreigner.
      The challenge is how do we get some white British people to realise that. That all people born and raised in this country, regardless of skin colour, heritage or religion are very much made in Britain, and belong here and are part of the fabric of our country - they are Britain.
      All the best. 🙂

  • @rieslingplatz
    @rieslingplatz 16 дней назад

    Now he's blaming Elon Musk!! 🤔Ha.. straight from the playbook.🤯Yes, Taj, thanks for joining us. Illuminating.

  • @rachelmargetts3570
    @rachelmargetts3570 21 день назад +2

    Taj thank you for this! Spot on.
    This idea that Ash suggested, that the left isn’t in ‘hull’ i.e the north of England, is reinforcing a bizarrely misguided stereotype about the north, overlooking that the majority of people in the north are historically left and continue to be. If people are organised sufficiently on the left in the north is a different question but you might want to look at the role generational poverty and failing infrastructure plays in preventing forms of organisation on the left that exist in London. Just having a functioning bus that you can afford after bills and food is a good starting point.

  • @andrewlim9345
    @andrewlim9345 22 дня назад +2

    Thanks for the discussion. Agree with the need for people of different races and classes to work together against racism and disinformation.

  • @ClariceH
    @ClariceH 22 дня назад

    An insightful conversation, which explains really well what the stakes are for isolated communities --i.e. the difficulty organizing, and the need to call the police or cooperate despite all we know about them.

  • @sumardipaul8045
    @sumardipaul8045 21 день назад +1

    PEACE 🎉❤

  • @roisinmalone3015
    @roisinmalone3015 18 дней назад

    Tommy Robinson is English, with Irish ancestry, he's a result of British or English culture.

  • @RavenRuled
    @RavenRuled 23 дня назад +9

    The truth about the white working class is that despite their concerns they were told their country wouldn't change or be taken over but it has. This is the same for Can, US, France as well.

    • @ronhumphreys3762
      @ronhumphreys3762 23 дня назад +1

      My gym/spa where I go in hours after work by vast majority are filled with peoples speaking ten or so different languages. Many happen to be light colored but many hindu and asian as well. About a third each.
      It is a very expensive place only well off people manage, BMW's teslas those type things in the lot.
      I married of color all all my kids and grandkids are of color.
      But those jobs it does not depend on what third it is, they are jobs not held by natives here. The way to manage poverty in other places is not to continue the places in poverty but to help them improve them ,so they will not move here.
      This place sucks, they move here because of the jobs, not as they like leaving their homelands.
      Charity by assistance to them in their homelands is the key. It will take the mass migrations of the south to the north by billions, for us to get that unfortunately.
      Exporting their poverty to our places is not the solution.
      Removing their poverty where they live is the solution.
      You are led to charity or this is you end. You are going to be forced to help other nations or live as they do.

    • @GregOrCreg
      @GregOrCreg 23 дня назад

      @@ronhumphreys3762 I'm not sure you do that by clamping down on freedom of movement (i.e. migration). However, I do agree that from an environmental and sustainable POV, we need to make better use of the world's land. Some places will become less inhabitable because of global warming (see parts of Africa), but other places could be sustainable if it wasn't for war and systemic oppression (i.e. man-made issues that can potentially be rectified).

    • @ronhumphreys3762
      @ronhumphreys3762 23 дня назад +2

      @@GregOrCreg It is not the clamping down on freedom of movement. Our biased view is our place is better and people just want to move here.
      Hence it is always discussed in this context clamping down.
      It is not clamping down. They move here as our exploitive practices make it a necessity. They like where they were born and more here as economically and safety wise it is impossible there any more.
      The Ukraine 174K here ,because we helped upset the elected president and performed a coup. The coup leaders had H type tendencies and the peoples in russia parts picked up on that and some formed their own place then to the russians, for protection, ,and some stayed in the ukraine but revolted.
      WE caused all that. A balance of power existed between eastern and western ukraine ,the president was the result and we did not like his choices in economy so we removed him by coup.
      One place and one example 174K that.
      It is not they wanted the UK it was they were forced to the Uk by our circumstances created.
      We could have worked to help their economy so they would favor the west by overt aid, what did we do...a coup.
      Afghanistan 20 years of american control did they even have a shred of health care...none covid they were on their own. This is the change we need, it is not clamping down.

    • @BedOfNettles
      @BedOfNettles 22 дня назад +2

      The natives in America and canada didn't think thier nations would change or be taken over either, but you don't see them complaining about immigration. Maybe the members of the white working class you speak of should grow up and realise that they exist in the context of several globe spanning empires. The "invasions" and "changes" we're facing in our countries are completely peaceful compared to ones our ancestors forced upon the forefathers of the immigrants you fear. Change and migration are natural parts of the wheel of history. We don't get to demand stagnation after foisting so much change on the world. When you've been in the driver's seat for several hundred years, it seems silly to complain about the passengers you've taken for a ride, and the destination to which you've arrived

  • @annmariecollins6652
    @annmariecollins6652 22 дня назад

    Hear, hear and we’ll said Taj Ali,
    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @matthewcook9404
    @matthewcook9404 22 дня назад +2

    Other working class colours are available. 😂

  • @Jubjub-ui8ms
    @Jubjub-ui8ms 23 дня назад +1

    This guy can't catch a break regarding the sound, it seems his mic isn't on/faulty and instead they have used a back up mic. He was on here before but he had sound issues on his laptop

    • @stripedlights
      @stripedlights 23 дня назад

      Yes thats the main thing I took away from this. Well spotted

  • @rieslingplatz
    @rieslingplatz 16 дней назад

    "We're a very diverse.... bollocks"... while only picking out Asian and West Indians.... aye aye... sure sure. Otherwise, I think he 'means' well this bloke.

  • @existphotography8091
    @existphotography8091 2 дня назад

    great discussion, impressive guest

  • @gracelynmeade5640
    @gracelynmeade5640 23 дня назад +1

    The lion from Urai ke has more roghts and air coverage than the gdnocide in Gaza.

  • @bulbousblues1
    @bulbousblues1 23 дня назад +5

    I am a Brit from London whos lived in the USA for 14 years. I visited the UK 4 years ago and I didn't recognize it. I witnessed much more crime and it was very crowded. I couldn't care less about race or colour. All races and religions have their bad apples. My area had a Muslim community I believe they were mostly Pakistani and Turkish I never encountered any problems. I believe the problem is now that previously people were vetted somewhat before entering the country. People entered legally. Now anyone turns up not only people in need but criminals aswell. The very people seeking safety are probably fleeing from. The government are wankers.

    • @mcounlall9042
      @mcounlall9042 23 дня назад +4

      Criminal ( migrants) roaming the streets of UK towns ? If you are sure they are criminals you should know their names. Report them to the police please.

    • @bulbousblues1
      @bulbousblues1 23 дня назад +3

      @@mcounlall9042 That's right I know everyone's name in a city of 10 million.

    • @Tens8a
      @Tens8a 23 дня назад +1

      ​​@@mcounlall9042duh they said he lives in the US. How the hell are they supposed to report migrant criminals?

    • @gamerknown
      @gamerknown 23 дня назад

      @@Tens8a phone the police and report the crime he’s witnessing, presumably people driving on the left side of the road and doing doughnuts around a circle. Murder rate is a sixth of the U.S.

    • @gamerknown
      @gamerknown 23 дня назад

      Looks like Brexit paid off then?

  • @omegaman4153
    @omegaman4153 16 дней назад

    Distribution centers are in part the new factories because the overall theme of the masses is consumption. DCs will always have high turn over.

  • @jaykay1848
    @jaykay1848 22 дня назад

    He understands , very knowledgeable and streetwise. Even coy around ash's line of questions.

  • @mamunaaltaf2849
    @mamunaaltaf2849 22 дня назад +2

    What taj has discussed is absolutely correct about the left and how they approach black and brown communities !

  • @user-bh4ld8ku3i
    @user-bh4ld8ku3i 22 дня назад +2

    It’s the Government, import, divide and conquer.

  • @roisinmalone3015
    @roisinmalone3015 18 дней назад

    The rioting in England and Northern Ireland ( re NI which is due to settler colonialism).

  • @cliffordfulford
    @cliffordfulford 23 дня назад +4

    There is I'm afraid a limit to how many times I can listen to the word "right". The message is lost in irration at the language.

  • @reasontruthandlogic
    @reasontruthandlogic 16 дней назад

    Although this interview was useful in that it discussed a subject which is at the same time important and yet difficult to analyse and discuss, one problematic idea which came up repeatedly was the strong tendency to refer to posts on social media which you disapprove of as misinformation. The problem there is that if person A regards what person B posts as misinformation, then person B is bound to also regard any post opposing that post as misinformation. There are already more than enough rules about what it is legal to say in public speech. The idea that you should not be allowed to say it in the first place is authoritarian, bordering on fascist.

  • @michaeljackson5914
    @michaeljackson5914 20 дней назад +1

    Mass immigration,we were never asked.Also freedom for Gazza.

  • @user-jm3rb3vx5p
    @user-jm3rb3vx5p 23 дня назад

    Yes Taj ...one love brother

  • @Lennon6412
    @Lennon6412 18 дней назад

    What's wrong with having a beer in your hand near some women wearing hijabs?

  • @mortenj3965
    @mortenj3965 16 дней назад

    Why is 'right' the ..most used word ? Right

  • @GregOrCreg
    @GregOrCreg 23 дня назад +2

    I'm not the biggest fan of the police in general, but despite what happened in Manchester Airport, over the last few weeks, during the riots, the police have demonstrated that they can be a force for good, and that they need not be an intrinsically racist or anti-Muslim/anti-Black institution, despite their history, because, as Taj has said, for a lot of vulnerable Muslims, migrants and people of South Asian descent, including women, that police presence was essential for their peace of mind and safety.
    Like I say, I'm intrinsically wary of the police, and I'm instinctively anti-authoritarian. However, this does demonstrate that the police has its uses, and I hope it will also incentivise some people of Islamic and South Asian heritage to consider policing as a potential career path, because I'm not sure ACAB is an option, but a reformed police force, that continues to do the type of work it has done over the last few weeks of far right riots, may be a necessity.

  • @mortenj3965
    @mortenj3965 16 дней назад

    America right?!😮

  • @petegoestubular
    @petegoestubular 22 дня назад

    I love coming here for a different perspective

  • @mohaab
    @mohaab 21 день назад +1

    Great interview. Taj Ali has been doing tremendous work for the community.

  • @James-wy6qu
    @James-wy6qu 23 дня назад +9

    Not sure what's wrong with having beers in their hands though... Some people drink casually, not necessarily celebrating.

    • @JCRezonna-dl5qz
      @JCRezonna-dl5qz 23 дня назад

      Disrespectful to Muslim women, apparently.

    • @paddyr1568
      @paddyr1568 23 дня назад +2

      Gotta be honest, I had a beer (one) in Walthamstow. I bought it from a Muslim shop keeper.

    • @NaazA-ch6yy
      @NaazA-ch6yy 22 дня назад +1

      Because alcohol removes inhibitions and then men (especially) start speaking in a lewd manner.

    • @Metamerist625
      @Metamerist625 21 день назад

      Do you think its a good look to wander around in trackies with a can of larger while people are hurling bricks and shouting racist epithets around you? Is that what you mean by "casual drinking" ?

  • @helveticabold6428
    @helveticabold6428 23 дня назад

    Great interview, Ash!

  • @JohnJohnson-cn9fh
    @JohnJohnson-cn9fh 23 дня назад

    spot on,,great video folks,great to hear discussion on tactics and analysis

  • @chilledtorsion
    @chilledtorsion 22 дня назад +1

    go to N ireland. The whites are divided there

  • @CrowCragg
    @CrowCragg 23 дня назад +3

    Expect these headlines:
    CLACTON COTTAGERS CLAIM 'POSTER BOY FARAGE' AS ONE OF THEIR OWN SAYS MAIL.
    PROUD CLACTON CONSTITUENTS GIVEN NOVEMBER DATE FOR NIGEL'S NEXT VISIT.
    TICE REFUSES TO BLACK UP FOR ROLE IN 'CRYING GAME' REBOOT.
    AND
    REES MOGG HOMELESS AFTER CARELESS COFFIN FIRE.
    Thank you.

  • @stumpali
    @stumpali 22 дня назад

    IN-SIGHT-FUL! How lucky we are to have ppl like Taj Ali in our society. And of course, Ash.

  • @tracyconnolly7169
    @tracyconnolly7169 23 дня назад +2

    Oh dearie me we have all frightened about the split between peoples in our Country. We all have a voice not just one it takes the other, deplomocity means come together and talk. Not one above the other. We are all sorts of people and we will find a way to be equal 😢

  • @dnalor7553
    @dnalor7553 19 дней назад

    I’d like NM to focus on the whole ‘Citizen Journalist’ scene. I feel that pernicious RUclipsrs such as Charles Veitch are getting a lot of traction and know exactly how far to push before being shut down or de-monetised.

  • @GregOrCreg
    @GregOrCreg 23 дня назад +1

    I appreciate Taj and Ash's argument regarding consistency. As much as I detest the far-right, it's important that our opposition to authoritarian power and control remains consistent, and that we never turn the far-right into martyrs. I don't know how we convert these bigots, but prosecuting people for having different thoughts to us doesn't work, whether it's aimed at the far-left or the far-right.

  • @michelefox9539
    @michelefox9539 23 дня назад +2

    Great perspectives. I'm so much better educated as a result. Thank you from a white Scot.

  • @phrensies
    @phrensies 20 дней назад +1

    ❤❤❤❤

  • @bashash6013
    @bashash6013 23 дня назад +3

    The way that one feels as a person of colour in London and the South East is the same as in Newyork but when you go to the north of England it's a lot like going to the south of the US.

    • @GregOrCreg
      @GregOrCreg 23 дня назад

      Except it's more complex than that because the US South was based on slavery whereas all of the UK, including London and Bristol, Southern cities, benefited from the slave trade.
      London was plagued by race riots for many decades. It's only recently that it's become a much more progressive and accepting place for minorities to live. These Northern cities don't have the same history of diversity and integration as London, even if Black and Asian people have been there for decades, albeit not in the same numbers. Also, in the North everyone is fighting over the scraps, whereas London is relatively wealthy and Black people and white people aren't being pitted against each other for those scraps anymore. They can all co-exist and flourish together.

    • @blackwarb
      @blackwarb 23 дня назад +3

      @@GregOrCreg Manchester, Leeds, Sheffield, Birmingham and Liverpool are big cities with huge ethnic populations. They are not fighting over scraps. Manchester has the 3rd busiest airport in the Uk and most of the BBC is now based there. Channel 4 and PWC have there main HQ in Leeds. They have areas that are just as affluent as London's areas. You can't compare most European cities with London as it's a huge mega world city on par with the likes of Tokyo and New York. If you think Blacks have the same advantages as whites in London, you are deluded lol

    • @bashash6013
      @bashash6013 21 день назад +1

      @@blackwarb Manchester Leeds Sheffield have a lot of problems with racism especially towards Asian Muslims and the Roma and also tensions between different communities. Such as the issues in Sheffield between Asians and the Roma in Page Hall. I don't know how you can even compare places like Leeds and Sheffield to London. They are nowhere near London in terms of affluence or diversity. As for Manchester it's classed as one of the most deprived cities in the UK and is known for racism outside of a few inner city multicultural enclaves. Birmingham is not in the north and is a lot more diverse than any city in the north. Bradford is probably the only city in the north that is more like the midlands and the south east in terms of its mix but deprivation and crime is pretty high there. .

    • @isabelcooke3476
      @isabelcooke3476 19 дней назад

      @@bashash6013 Bradford is now a place where we explicitly promote peace and love in mixed rallies and festivals. Community and union organising is decades and centuries deep, drawing in Irish, Italians and Jews, Ukrainians, South Asians and now people from Congo and Ethiopia. All cheek by jowl in our small city! Since our Bradford riots, we are working together, especially in Friends of Palestine, outside the gatekeepers of the feudal political castes recommended by the mainstream.

    • @bashash6013
      @bashash6013 19 дней назад

      @@isabelcooke3476 I know and I'm very impressed with Bradford and the community there. Bradfordians should be very proud of your history of standing up to fascism in all its forms. The city does have issues but then so does London so does everywhere but Bradford has become one of the most inclusive cities in the UK that's why the far right hate it so much just like they hate London.

  • @vicicooper4720
    @vicicooper4720 23 дня назад +18

    Let me (as a white native British woman) start off by saying I have a lot of sympathy for any hard working, peace loving, integrated muslim in this country. Nobody should live in fear. But I must pull you up on one thing - this "far right" label. In truth there are very few "far right" people in the country and they are not organised in any serious way. The hard core rioters and looters were just thugs, with no particular political conviction. The majority of people have genuine concerns over mass immigration and in particular the muslim element which appears to us to wish to take over the country. We are not far right. We all agree that rioters should be swiftly punished and we would like to see a more even handed approach to this. Certainly I would like to see the borders implemented but I for one have always felt welcoming to incomers from overseas. There is one caveat: they keep their religion private. You live in Luton. Fifty years ago there was one Mosque, now there are 45. What do you make of that?

    • @gamerknown
      @gamerknown 23 дня назад +3

      "The majority of people have genuine concerns over mass immigration" - nah, it's about 26% of the electorate, almost the same proportion as voted for Labour. I know that my mother's manager was told to fuck off back to Leeds when she came to London to work because of the high unemployment and low education level of Leeds inhabitants, but eventually she lost her accent and managed to integrate.

    • @scallamander4899
      @scallamander4899 23 дня назад +6

      Respect to you for taking time to express yourself in a clear and calm way. As someone on the Left I'm quite saddened at the way my fellow leftists don't take the time to listen to this viewpoint, even if I disagree with parts of it.

    • @S-Ltd1000
      @S-Ltd1000 23 дня назад +1

      👏👏👏👏👏

    • @jonahwhale9047
      @jonahwhale9047 23 дня назад +2

      The first thing I'd make of it is that it's a direct Tommy Robinson quote. I don't know if it is true. The "Luton Mosques" website says it is 26. I don't know if that is true. You might argue that it's still too many. The 2021 Census says that the number of people reporting as Christian is still the largest group in Luton but the number fell from 96,271 in 2011 to 85,297 in 2021, the numbers of Muslims increased from 49,991 to 74,191, & the number of people with no religion increased from 33,594 to 39,580. When compared with England and Wales there is a larger proportion of Muslims in Luton than on average (32.9% compared with 6.5%, a smaller proportion of Christians (37.9% compared with 46.2%, and about half as many people with no religion (17.6% compared with 37.2%).
      It suggests that Luton is being colonised & to understand the changes, you'd have to look closer at the age related demographics, e.g. I'd presume there are more younger Muslims, & more elderly Christians, meaning that the changes will accelerate in the near future.
      Clearly the architects of our society didn't consider the effect of immigrants bring their religions & cultures with them, & wanting to hold onto them after they made their roots, at all. And that it's probably too late to do anything about it, & that the UK will largely become a Muslim nation, a bit like how it became a Christian nations subject to the influences of the Romans, then Normans, i.e. that the immigrant society/ies will dominate the capital & centre, & the native & secular culture be pushed out to the fringes.

    • @vicicooper4720
      @vicicooper4720 23 дня назад +4

      @@scooble I certainly don't think they should try and force halal meat on British schools. As for dress, an indication of faith should be discrete. Integration within the host country would be a peaceful outcome.

  • @mrstephenpariah
    @mrstephenpariah 23 дня назад

    Ever since the riots.. 🎶

  • @mathuxley7264
    @mathuxley7264 22 дня назад

    I like this guy

  • @roisinmalone3015
    @roisinmalone3015 18 дней назад

    Really interesting interview

  • @syddog44
    @syddog44 23 дня назад

    Through music and....food 😂

  • @AdamKaloyirou
    @AdamKaloyirou 20 дней назад +3

    To frame the riots as "racist" further stokes division and shows your unwillingness to see things from the other perspective..

    • @isabelcooke3476
      @isabelcooke3476 19 дней назад +1

      Lovey-dovey, people were randomly attacking anyone with a different coloured skin and shouting 'kill him, kill him!' There was certainly a racial element. Does the 'other perspective' acknowledge that?

    • @AdamKaloyirou
      @AdamKaloyirou 19 дней назад

      Completely agree, there was a racial element. I just think categorising it wholesale as racist riots is disingenuous.

  • @Mdowns888
    @Mdowns888 21 день назад

    What about the lad they beat up 😂

  • @user-bh4ld8ku3i
    @user-bh4ld8ku3i 22 дня назад +1

    Liars liars liars bbc and mainstream media

    • @BedOfNettles
      @BedOfNettles 22 дня назад +1

      Lying about what? If you're making an accusations provide some proof. Might be a bit difficult considering how fond your lot are of burning down libraries.

    • @reddiesel88
      @reddiesel88 22 дня назад

      This isn’t news they read the mainstream news and create provocations from it !! 😂