It's amazing how comparable the fake is especially considering the price difference. The fact that you need to use a macro lens to show the subtle differences speaks volumes.
The notion that fakes are still Times Square quartz knockoffs is dangerous. People don’t realize how GOOD replica watches have gotten. $350-500 for one, and you’re in pretty close territory until you break out the loupe. It’s a very real risk when trying to buy a genuine watch nowadays and you need to be really careful. Or, ya know, just buy vintage instead. 😎
Snazzy Labs vintage becomes frankensteins very easily throughout its lifespan. Just buy a watch with clear caseback and its super easy to identify by its internal finishing.
If I'm ever chatting to someone with a nice watch I often ask to see it (offering mine in return) because we both like good watches and I love examining them to see the details and craftsmanship. Knowing how to spot a fake is a good skill and one you only utilise when you have it a few inches from your eyes but why is that surprising? We can make microchips, of course we can make something that looks 'mostly the same' from 6 feet away.
Show me a fake Grand Seiko Spring Drive with a display back, and if I can't immediately point out what's wrong with it, I will happily buy it for the price of a genuine.
@Dat Phung the fake tourbillons use a chinese tourbillon movement thats like 400 bucks... they all use the same one and its pretty obvious just by looking at it that its fake
Sometimes you can spot fakes by the performance of the movement. I've once bought a high end fake Longines Master Collections and it didn't loose a single second over days. Made me suspicious because of my experience with other Longines and then the watchmaker confirmed. Made in China :-D
Cartier is one brands that are having huge losses from unsold stock, and now the ever better fakes. I think the fake market will always be there when manufactures rather destroy their unsold stock then selling it at a discount. I think the people buying a fake should think about buying a decent mechanical watch for the same price, better for them long run and for the watch industry.
The fake market will be there as long as people are not willing to pay retail prices. I'm not saying fakes are a good thing, but when a 99% copy of a watch can be made and sold for 5% of the original it says something about the true production costs and inflated profit margins.
Heimdallr Keep in mind that you also pay the art creators. Those fakes are only trying to copy the art. But you are right about the inflation. Fake watches are for fake people. Although there are people that buy for example an original rolex to fake themselfs aswell as its a weathy show off item. Anyway i would never support a business that only copys others work and also probably the craftmanship are children or extremely underpayed if not forced to work people.
Cartier won't lose money or even giving discount. They are the hottest celebrity brand for jewellery. There always be someone who are willing to buy overpriced shit from Cartier
If the quality difference is microscopic the price difference should likewise be small. If you see someone on the street with a "fake" Cartier you aren't going to be able to tell. Period.
I swear only at 5:55 i knew which is the fake one. All the time I got it wrong, seriously the fake is really amazin, the only difference is in the pocket and how someone would feel about wearing a fake, many people dont mind and that is absolutely fine with me.
I unwittingly bought a fake Tissot automatic that looked great in photographs. But as soon as I looked at it in person and held it in my hands, it was obvious that it was a high quality fake. All those details you'd consider as refinements were just a little coarse. From the dial to the slight gritty rattling in the bracelet and less-than crisp engraving, it was far enough off the mark to be easily seen with the naked eye. But you had to look closely. From an arm's length and in pictures it looked authentic. And the gentleman who sold it to me was so convinced it was real that he argued a bit but ended up taking it back and refunding me 100%.
@@JohnRubenIndia Its nice to know you're not a fraud and rocking the real thing. I guess you havent' experienced it yet. Ive tried wearing a fake in my early 20s, it always bothered me knowing it was fake, especially when someone asks about it. Do you lie or tell them its a fake? If you're lying to them, are you lying to yourself too?
Yes you are right, I am definitely NOT the fraud, those people selling a watch at these rates are. When people in many countries are dying of hunger and poverty and the rich who have all the opportunity to help them instead spending money on these worthless things are fraud. If a person is respected based on what he wears then humanity itself is a joke, I am glad there are replicas to check these fraud companies.
We all know how successful people are successful today, 99% of wealth owned by only 1% of population, this makes something definitely wrong with every country's govt. policies....oh wait aren't these same people who made these policies.
I find a lot of genuine watches aren't finished all that well, so it makes it hard to tell. They just look different a lot of the time, the finishing is similar a lot of the time.
This is probably the best replica of any watch I've ever seen. The print on the dial does give it away quite a bit, but these little flaws become more unnoticeable with every new batch. To all the commenters who wanna know where they can buy one: you can't. Unless you have some SERIOUS connections and are willing to pay $700-$1000 for what is essentially a 5k watch. This is not your typical 'fun to buy' or 'mess with my friends' fake. This is state-of-the-art counterfeiting. Should you ever become so (un)lucky to own one of these, you've most likely bought it unknowingly for around retail price. Maybe from a legit but corrupt store in a high-end luxury mall in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Bangkok. Maybe from a careless second-hand dealer. Maybe even from a private person who figured it out and wants to recuperate their losses... In a cynical way, it's kind of a win-win situation. At least until the first service. You enjoy your awesome watch and the Chinese Mafia is happy about the 90 - 95% profit margin. (Needless to say, for Cartier it's lose all the way.)
+Magister Ludi, thanks, I appreciate your reply! About Rolex replicas: I think there are two factors that go into this, which are (in no particular order): Rolex are clearly the most desired fakes to this date. The brand's image has suffered a lot, because unless you're at least in the sort of mid to upper middle class, the first perception by your environment is gonna be "come on, that's a fake, right?", even if it's actually legit. Long story short: Huge demand => Incentive for fakers to improve their products. The second point is, they are arguably easier to fake. The most popular (fake) models, i.e. your Datejusts, Submariners, and to a slightly lesser extent Explorer I's and Milgausses are all quite basic in a sense. You need some good CDC and polishing machines, which are ubiquitous by now. For the high quality fakes, you'll get affordable sapphire crystals, proper ETA clones (legally manufactured, since a lot of patents expired), possibly from Japan or even Switzerland.... So in that sense, I agree that there are Rolex fakes that look even more flawless. On the other hand, I've never ever seen a proper functioning fake Sky Dweller or Yachtmaster... BUT: If you take into account the intricacies of this Cartier, i.e., the unusual case design, the dial with its guilloche (as you rightly say) but also its other elements which require different finishing techniques, etc... This is a remarkable, highest quality fake. And in comparison, I would argue that a 97% perfect copy like this is superior to a 99% perfect Rolex copy. As for ordering this stuff off the internet. Well, there's lots of things you can allegedly buy, including counterfeit money and hit jobs. I've never tried those, but I assume that in 99.99% of cases you end up with nothing (or in prison, because the offer has been planted by a state agency). For watches, yes, these sites exists, and some of them actually do deliver. However, you likely won't get the product as advertised, and/or it will be intercepted at customs depending where you live. That's where the real trouble starts. I know a lawyer here in Switzerland from a firm that almost exclusively drags people to court for their counterfeit orders being intercepted at the border. And it won't come as a surprise that Rolex is one of their biggest clients ;-) In short, you might give the few hundred dollar fakes a try and get lucky all the way. But the top fakes, which do set you back around 1k, there's not much to find. Likely because people who are willing to gamble away $1000 can probably afford the real thing in the first place.
This is not true. There are entire fora online dedicated to high end watch reps that come straight from manufacturers (known as "factories") in China. This rep is $300-$400, tops.
I think it’s good but nothing amazing. Any super watch nerd would be able to spot the difference. They are very subtle but very noticeable to a trained eye. The engraving, overall build finish and dial finish and even the size is off. Very easy to spot for a person who likes to spend an obscene amount of time staring at his watches ( me lol). I actually just bought the new Santos in large steel. I am in love and am very impressed with Quick Release and Smart link system. The 1847 MC is louder than I expected. I can here is spin once in awhile. Not as loud as my grey side of the moon but noticed to a trained ear. The downside of ceramic bearings. O well, but boy if you give it a good flick it spins forever. Very impressed and in love with the new design. This is a lifetime piece. Great job Cartier.
Also solid tip!! If the watch is very good and you can’t tell listen to the movement as the rotor spins. ETA based movements have a “click” as they rotate. Most all fakes will have an ETA movement. The 1847 MC while “somewhat” noisy (the sound is relative. All automatics have rotor noise. Rolex is really good at silencing that. But boy you should hear the Patek Nautilus!! That sound is like no other) spins effortlessly with no click.
haha to me you come off as salty cuz u out here buying something so expensive, yet easily cloned. No one cares about your trained eyes or trained ears lmao stfu
Been tempted to get a fake bell and Ross. Way too expensive for what you get for but the design is (in my opinion) beautiful. It would be amazing if Seiko bought bell and Ross and slapped a Seiko nh35 in a bell & Ross and made it £200-£400
Watches are mostly viewed from one metre away, can't spot the difference. No display back, can't spot the difference. $100 for a mechanical watch that looks pretty good, SOLD. I do actually feel for the watch industry as China and its lack of ethics is really eating it up, but $100, SOLD!
@Row fair enough IF it makes someone happy. I myself don't want to support fakes that profit organized crime with my money and the illegal theft of intellectual property.
I don’t feel sympathy for Cartier when they charge nearly $7k for this watch in the UK. I can’t imagine that they are worth that much even with the R&D, marketing and manufacturing costs. Despite the quality of finishing, I feel their watches have always had more of an image of high level fashion watches about them rather than high level pieces of horology.
True however if I don't think what a brand charges is worth what they're selling I simply don't buy it, I'd buy a genuine cheaper watch (hence why my small collection is exclusively Seiko for now), I wouldn't buy something dodgy that pretends to be the product from the brand I just refused to buy from however.
jacc88888 maybe you haven't heard about Cartier ID one and two concept or their mystery clock, I'd suggest you to watch watchfinder video on Cartier Rotonde De Cartier central chronograph to really understand how important Cartier in the watch industry
@@G1NZOU The price of high end watches has mostly risen well above inflation for a while now. I bought an Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch a little over fifteen years ago, brand new at Mappin & Webb on the high street for £1204. The same store today sells it for around £4200. Mine is down as an item of value on my house insurance so I could replace it if I lost it but I could not really afford to just go out and justify buying a new one today at the price they ask. I earn a little more than I did back then but nowhere near roughly three and a half times what I did. It cost me half a month's wages then and it now costs 1.5 x my month's wage today. The Speedmaster used to be amazing value for money, now they are on a cash grab it seems and have attempted to create perceived extra value of the watch simply by putting the price up a ridiculous amount.
This Cartier is harder to fake, but the superfakes of Rolexes are getting harder and harder to distinguish. And to me, if a replica gets to 98% of the real thing, but at 5% of the price, the replica is the better deal. It's why I like the Omega Speedmaster--replicas never get the subdials right because they can't copy the movement, so only the real thing passes muster. I love my speedy, but I'd rather have the pride of knowing I saved $8000 than the shallow "pride and catchet" of owning some brand.
why don't fakes make their own brand? because marketing is the most costing part of the business, while making an almost identical copy is the least hard part.
Hmmmm...Really?...Cartier was passing an ETA movement for 5500 dollars..Hardly any decoration as well....Pretty sure not Rolex reliable...so.....A bit shocking have to say.....
or........they like the look but don't wanna throw 5 - 6K under the bus. You see, not all of us are rich snobs that can afford to pay rent, bills and gas and still have enough money to buy a 5 - 6K watch. Some of us, just like fell in love with the design of the watch but can't afford to pay for it, and the only option left is to buy a fake, and maybe one day, when I have that kind of money, I'll buy a gen watch.
I literally can't tell which is fake from the zoomed out view. Is it the one on the left? Also, I like the fake dial better. The real one looks too sharp... So, why would I buy an identical thing for 100x more money? Because the company is "old"? I'm not sure that's a good argument.... I'll take the fake because it's the same product for way less money. Where do I buy one? (I wish there were solid gold fakes. The weight difference is real, and justifies the price difference. )
The dial printing is enough to spot on the fake. Take a high resolution photo of the dial and then zoom it 50% bigger and you will find the differences either in the dial printing or in the hands or even in the date wheel somewhere it will tell you I am fake.
Sometimes you show the fake first, and other times the authentic, yes? And it's not clear to me when you zoom out which is the fake. Can someone please tell me, thanks. Love this channels videos.
Dulled reflectivity and less clarity of light reflection of watch crystal from fake copies of name brand watches, gives them away almost every single time
Would be nicer to show FAKE in bold letters when speaking and showing the fake… otherwise some speed over that video showing will confuse the viewing…. Which is fake? Which is real ? If not keen on the detail spotting fast enough you may miss that cue… help the viewer? Point clearly at the fake parts a bit more slowly and with clarity on the video… thank you for posting this !
You guys miss the point. Whether it is a $300 Seiko or a $3000 Cartier, they are atleast real and there is a sense of pride from buying something someone else does to the best of their abilities. If you care so much about price, then buy used. If you still can't justify spending $1000 on a watch, then watches aren't for you. $1000 is really nothing if you factor in all other needless expenses. Even so, saving money and buying the real watch is 10x more rewarding than buying a fake. Yeah I bought a fake 1601 datejust, then I saved $3500 for a Oysterquartz. Its a world of difference.
Very true, a $300 Seiko will definitely get you respect from any true watch fan. You don't have to spend $3000 to have a watch you appreciate, and you don't need to spend $100 on a fake of the $3000 one when you can get a high quality decent brand watch for $100 that'll last much longer than the fake.
I see there is a Lot of commentary about why one should/ should'nt buy a fake watch or why the price of a watch is as it is, like thousands of dollars i will bring this argument down to a simple equation. "The function of a watch is to tell time, The function of the brand is to place you in a certain bracket of society Rich/ Poor, In other words your audacity of life, The dichotomy for a person who is buying into a brand fake or real he must realise that the brand is categorising him in a certain strata of society, so the rich buy a more expensive suitcase/ handbag a fancier car more luxurious airplane etc., The fact remains that the primary function of all these products are the ones to look for Product / Function Car Utility vehicle to drive one from Point A to point B Bag Storage device to carry/ store ones goods from damage Purse . Same as above. Glasses . Utlity to protect from Harmful radiation/ Look properly through the eyeglass to read/ see I can go on and on .. However the fact remains that the only reason one should buy a fake as against the original is simple these multinational brands invest millions into marketing a simple product to condition our mind to feel important, The question is do you want to feel important or be important by making a change in someone's life .. however if the technology is right and it serves a purpose then by all means go ahead and invest since it then enhances your quality.
Greg Mieg If counterfeit market revenue is $461 billion a year, there must be a lot of unscrupulous luxury good enthusiasts out there. Is buying a fake watch lying to yourself? Sure, but honestly, who doesn’t lie to themselves to make themselves happy. I’d rather have the same watch and all the attention and satisfaction it brings without the pit in my stomach knowing I just spent 10-20% of my yearly salary on a BLNR.
Not necessarily. The workmanship is distinct and the fake pales in comparison. You pay for R&D and workmanship and Prestige. You don't buy nice watches to impress others. No one cares. You buy it to impress yourself. And a used BMW is still a BMW.
The main goal of a fake factory is: 1. make the watch LOOK (!!) similar as much as possible to the original, 2. make the highest profit out of it. The fakes you are seeing here are not fakes you are buying on your Egipt vacation for 30-50$. These costs almost as much as your ”All inclusive” holiday in Hurgada for one week ☺ While you think the watch only needs to look like the original, you would be very surpised when your Daniel Wellington quartz would last much longer than this Cartier. I believe only rich people can buy high grade fakes for 500$+, because they can afford to smile at it and throw it away once it stops working. I bet, 99% of the people writing comments ”I don’t care, for me this fake is great” would start crying when they would realize they throw in trash 500$ in less than one year..
I got lots of original watches, and do really enjoy my replicas too, because they are made to perfection, same materials and clone movement.... The thing is... enjoy your stuff for youself. I hate people who use stuff to impress and feel entitled, and that to me... is the ugly in this hobbie.
What about the vintage ones? I have one so old that it only has the Cartier logo and that's it. And some times I doubt it's original. But I know it's old as the previous owner was really really old and he told me he go it from his dad, and I trust him.
Great, now I know that the next time I meet someone wearing a Cartier at a party, and I take a dislike to them and presume their watch must be fake, all I have to do in order to call them out successfully is whip out my electron microscope!
I have now seen Fake Breguet Watches made in Solid 18kt gold! exact copy of Movement 584q/2 solid gold rotor and all for $6K dollars U.S it wont be long when the Chinese will match the swiss quality at a fraction of Swiss Prices after all they are using the same Swiss made machines to now make exact copies they should really make there own watch designs though as they are now capable to compete in quality!
LOL as if wearing a fake watch is a crime punishable by death. It’s just a fucking watch brand founded by some person like u and me some years ago. Ppl act like it’s some sort of holy item and worship them like a god. Honestly even authentic Cartier quality aren’t that great and it’s definitely not worth the 6k they are asking for. Btw this is coming from someone who doesn’t even own a fake.
That is fair enough and at least partly a matter of taste. There are a dozen watches I'd buy before a Cartier even though they are well made and often beautiful.
If I like a watch, I don't care who made it, That doesn't mean that I will put up with sloppy workmanship, or an inferior movement. I will not(knowingly) buy replica's but I do enjoy a good Homage, Steinberg comes to mind as a quality watchmaker whose models are often based on a more famous and expensive watch, but often with twist of their own, like a ceramic bevel where the original was aluminium, or in a colour not offered or a different set of hands than the model it is based on, and at a price more in keeping with the actual materials and workmanship cost. Importantly Steinberg takes ownership of their watches, proudly displaying their name. I will not even contemplate paying £1000's for a mass produced watch like for example a Rolex. Rolex and its sister company Tudor, who produce 1000,000 watches a year, they spend a fortune on advertising and although they are a well made quality watch, in my opinion(you might disagree) they are grossly overpriced. I have a rule, it says that I will not pay more than £1000 for a watch, and even if I win Millions on the lottery I will stick to that limit. I do not buy watches as a status symbol, most people don't even notice if you are wearing a watch, I buy watches because I love them for what they are, Timepieces that demonstrate what man can achieve with a bit of metal and a few bits of glass. I have little interest in history, I don't care what happened 120 years ago when someone was flying a Biplane and so designed a watch accordingly. I care about what I am putting on my wrist today, it doesn't need to have 10 complications, i want to know the time(my favourite watch only has one hand and no date window), the date is useful just to remind me about birthdays or even how long until I get paid, but its not essential. I couldn't care less what phase of the moon it is, or even what day it is, that's something I always know anyway, same goes for the month. I also don't eat caviar in fancy restaurants, or holiday in Monaco or lust after a Bugatti. If I did I would probably think different. If I was offered that fake Cartier, I might buy it, if i liked it and it came within my price limit and I was convinced that it was a quality watch, but i wouldn't buy it if I knew it was a fake. I have heard that some fakes are actually better made than the originals, but that was probably made up by someone trying to justify his wearing of a fake. Nine times out of ten I couldn't tell a fake from an original, but who is going to bother to fake an Orient or even a San Martin although I do know they are selling fake Seagull 1963's. A Chinese knock off of a Chinese Replica(reissue would be more correct). WOW did I write all that, my old English teacher would be amazed.
Received a Cartier watch years ago from a relative… and ever since then I’ve wondered if it is a legitimate Cartier watch. I understand Cartier doesn’t divulge any information do to their privacy policy.
Fake watch doesn't spend a dime in R&D/Marketing. But it's hard to spot that fake. I don't think the price Cartier asks is justifiable when you take that into account. Better to buy from brands that are more difficult to copy. Who buys a original LV bag this days?
There is a little R&D in the fake market I'd say. Producing a movement that meets the sizing and complications of the original probably takes some work
@@arnaudmeert1527 I wear a Rolex Daytona that was given to me from my race team when we placed at the Daytona 24hr race in 2015. I also wear a Seiko skx007 which my parents bought for me as a birthday present as that's all they could afford many years ago. The seiko, to me has more value, sentimentally than the Rolex. Also, not once has anyone in almost 3years ever complimented me or asked me about my Rolex. To most people walking past, it's just a watch. At quick glance no one would tell if it was real or fake.
Cancel ziarex and mega clone watches. They are destroying the whole community of original watches and becoming a threat to the economy and dignity of Rolex.
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It's amazing how comparable the fake is especially considering the price difference. The fact that you need to use a macro lens to show the subtle differences speaks volumes.
The notion that fakes are still Times Square quartz knockoffs is dangerous. People don’t realize how GOOD replica watches have gotten. $350-500 for one, and you’re in pretty close territory until you break out the loupe. It’s a very real risk when trying to buy a genuine watch nowadays and you need to be really careful. Or, ya know, just buy vintage instead. 😎
Snazzy Labs I agree with you but with vintage there's also is a lot of fake and franken watches
Snazzy Labs I don't know man. Even the vintage market is getting fakes
Snazzy Labs vintage becomes frankensteins very easily throughout its lifespan. Just buy a watch with clear caseback and its super easy to identify by its internal finishing.
If I'm ever chatting to someone with a nice watch I often ask to see it (offering mine in return) because we both like good watches and I love examining them to see the details and craftsmanship. Knowing how to spot a fake is a good skill and one you only utilise when you have it a few inches from your eyes but why is that surprising? We can make microchips, of course we can make something that looks 'mostly the same' from 6 feet away.
I can spot a fake Cartier. Don't know which one it is but have narrowed it down the just two watches.
the left one is the fake, look at the branding on the face of the watch
Until the radial brushing, I had no clue the entire video😂😂
Paul P 🤣
The fake is the one in his hand.
Whic one is the real ?
My eyes can’t tell the difference but my wallet certainly can.
lmao perfectly sums it up
The fake is actually pretty good :) I was expecting way more sloppy fake, but I guess the guy did a good job!
I want more of these!
And can you tell me what's the introduction music?
Show me a fake Grand Seiko Spring Drive with a display back, and if I can't immediately point out what's wrong with it, I will happily buy it for the price of a genuine.
@Dat Phung the fake tourbillons use a chinese tourbillon movement thats like 400 bucks... they all use the same one and its pretty obvious just by looking at it that its fake
I really appreciate the effort you put on alining the hands and synchronizing the seconds hand
Sometimes you can spot fakes by the performance of the movement. I've once bought a high end fake Longines Master Collections and it didn't loose a single second over days. Made me suspicious because of my experience with other Longines and then the watchmaker confirmed. Made in China :-D
Lmao too broke for a real watch
nice one tim
Damn I won't be able to notice these differences unless it's back to back :/ what a scary world we live in
I could watch loads of these real versus fake videos. Excellent job yet again!
Cartier is one brands that are having huge losses from unsold stock, and now the ever better fakes. I think the fake market will always be there when manufactures rather destroy their unsold stock then selling it at a discount. I think the people buying a fake should think about buying a decent mechanical watch for the same price, better for them long run and for the watch industry.
The fake market will be there as long as people are not willing to pay retail prices. I'm not saying fakes are a good thing, but when a 99% copy of a watch can be made and sold for 5% of the original it says something about the true production costs and inflated profit margins.
Heimdallr Keep in mind that you also pay the art creators. Those fakes are only trying to copy the art. But you are right about the inflation.
Fake watches are for fake people. Although there are people that buy for example an original rolex to fake themselfs aswell as its a weathy show off item. Anyway i would never support a business that only copys others work and also probably the craftmanship are children or extremely underpayed if not forced to work people.
Its funny how show-offy brands like Rolex and Cartier get all the fakes....Fake stuff for look-at-me types....A great match I would say....
ARJUN DIVAKERA Very true indeed.
Cartier won't lose money or even giving discount. They are the hottest celebrity brand for jewellery.
There always be someone who are willing to buy overpriced shit from Cartier
i think it speaks volume to what we are actually paying for these days. like is a 10k watch worth 10k ?
No
It's worth 10,000 to those that pay 10,000.
If the quality difference is microscopic the price difference should likewise be small. If you see someone on the street with a "fake" Cartier you aren't going to be able to tell. Period.
Cool vid man, now rep makers can be aware of their mistakes :)
I swear only at 5:55 i knew which is the fake one. All the time I got it wrong, seriously the fake is really amazin, the only difference is in the pocket and how someone would feel about wearing a fake, many people dont mind and that is absolutely fine with me.
3:08. You're welcome.
I unwittingly bought a fake Tissot automatic that looked great in photographs. But as soon as I looked at it in person and held it in my hands, it was obvious that it was a high quality fake. All those details you'd consider as refinements were just a little coarse. From the dial to the slight gritty rattling in the bracelet and less-than crisp engraving, it was far enough off the mark to be easily seen with the naked eye. But you had to look closely. From an arm's length and in pictures it looked authentic. And the gentleman who sold it to me was so convinced it was real that he argued a bit but ended up taking it back and refunding me 100%.
If you want to impress others then buy the replica; if you want to impress yourself then buy the genuine..
Why the hell would you impress yourself ?
@@JohnRubenIndia Its nice to know you're not a fraud and rocking the real thing. I guess you havent' experienced it yet. Ive tried wearing a fake in my early 20s, it always bothered me knowing it was fake, especially when someone asks about it. Do you lie or tell them its a fake? If you're lying to them, are you lying to yourself too?
Yes you are right, I am definitely NOT the fraud, those people selling a watch at these rates are. When people in many countries are dying of hunger and poverty and the rich who have all the opportunity to help them instead spending money on these worthless things are fraud. If a person is respected based on what he wears then humanity itself is a joke, I am glad there are replicas to check these fraud companies.
@@JohnRubenIndia lol, and that attitude and view of the world is why you will always be the one hating on successful people
We all know how successful people are successful today, 99% of wealth owned by only 1% of population, this makes something definitely wrong with every country's govt. policies....oh wait aren't these same people who made these policies.
Given how good the fake is, and how much the original the costs, I suspect their is a real market for the fakes!
I find a lot of genuine watches aren't finished all that well, so it makes it hard to tell. They just look different a lot of the time, the finishing is similar a lot of the time.
The fake quartz cartiers are just as good as the real ones, they are 99.9 % exactly the same for a tenth of the price.
This is probably the best replica of any watch I've ever seen. The print on the dial does give it away quite a bit, but these little flaws become more unnoticeable with every new batch. To all the commenters who wanna know where they can buy one: you can't. Unless you have some SERIOUS connections and are willing to pay $700-$1000 for what is essentially a 5k watch. This is not your typical 'fun to buy' or 'mess with my friends' fake. This is state-of-the-art counterfeiting. Should you ever become so (un)lucky to own one of these, you've most likely bought it unknowingly for around retail price. Maybe from a legit but corrupt store in a high-end luxury mall in Hong Kong, Shanghai, or Bangkok. Maybe from a careless second-hand dealer. Maybe even from a private person who figured it out and wants to recuperate their losses... In a cynical way, it's kind of a win-win situation. At least until the first service. You enjoy your awesome watch and the Chinese Mafia is happy about the 90 - 95% profit margin. (Needless to say, for Cartier it's lose all the way.)
+Magister Ludi, thanks, I appreciate your reply! About Rolex replicas: I think there are two factors that go into this, which are (in no particular order): Rolex are clearly the most desired fakes to this date. The brand's image has suffered a lot, because unless you're at least in the sort of mid to upper middle class, the first perception by your environment is gonna be "come on, that's a fake, right?", even if it's actually legit.
Long story short: Huge demand => Incentive for fakers to improve their products.
The second point is, they are arguably easier to fake. The most popular (fake) models, i.e. your Datejusts, Submariners, and to a slightly lesser extent Explorer I's and Milgausses are all quite basic in a sense. You need some good CDC and polishing machines, which are ubiquitous by now. For the high quality fakes, you'll get affordable sapphire crystals, proper ETA clones (legally manufactured, since a lot of patents expired), possibly from Japan or even Switzerland.... So in that sense, I agree that there are Rolex fakes that look even more flawless. On the other hand, I've never ever seen a proper functioning fake Sky Dweller or Yachtmaster...
BUT: If you take into account the intricacies of this Cartier, i.e., the unusual case design, the dial with its guilloche (as you rightly say) but also its other elements which require different finishing techniques, etc... This is a remarkable, highest quality fake. And in comparison, I would argue that a 97% perfect copy like this is superior to a 99% perfect Rolex copy.
As for ordering this stuff off the internet. Well, there's lots of things you can allegedly buy, including counterfeit money and hit jobs. I've never tried those, but I assume that in 99.99% of cases you end up with nothing (or in prison, because the offer has been planted by a state agency).
For watches, yes, these sites exists, and some of them actually do deliver. However, you likely won't get the product as advertised, and/or it will be intercepted at customs depending where you live. That's where the real trouble starts. I know a lawyer here in Switzerland from a firm that almost exclusively drags people to court for their counterfeit orders being intercepted at the border. And it won't come as a surprise that Rolex is one of their biggest clients ;-)
In short, you might give the few hundred dollar fakes a try and get lucky all the way. But the top fakes, which do set you back around 1k, there's not much to find. Likely because people who are willing to gamble away $1000 can probably afford the real thing in the first place.
It's not a 1k rep, it can be bought for around 300usd - you just need to know the places where to buy them.
This is not true. There are entire fora online dedicated to high end watch reps that come straight from manufacturers (known as "factories") in China. This rep is $300-$400, tops.
I think it’s good but nothing amazing. Any super watch nerd would be able to spot the difference. They are very subtle but very noticeable to a trained eye. The engraving, overall build finish and dial finish and even the size is off. Very easy to spot for a person who likes to spend an obscene amount of time staring at his watches ( me lol). I actually just bought the new Santos in large steel. I am in love and am very impressed with Quick Release and Smart link system. The 1847 MC is louder than I expected. I can here is spin once in awhile. Not as loud as my grey side of the moon but noticed to a trained ear. The downside of ceramic bearings. O well, but boy if you give it a good flick it spins forever. Very impressed and in love with the new design. This is a lifetime piece. Great job Cartier.
Also solid tip!! If the watch is very good and you can’t tell listen to the movement as the rotor spins. ETA based movements have a “click” as they rotate. Most all fakes will have an ETA movement. The 1847 MC while “somewhat” noisy (the sound is relative. All automatics have rotor noise. Rolex is really good at silencing that. But boy you should hear the Patek Nautilus!! That sound is like no other) spins effortlessly with no click.
haha to me you come off as salty cuz u out here buying something so expensive, yet easily cloned. No one cares about your trained eyes or trained ears lmao stfu
Thank you. Excellent presentation by your group.
What is price difference between these two watches
Been tempted to get a fake bell and Ross. Way too expensive for what you get for but the design is (in my opinion) beautiful. It would be amazing if Seiko bought bell and Ross and slapped a Seiko nh35 in a bell & Ross and made it £200-£400
Don't do it
I've asked this question a dozen times on Facebook and WatchUSeek, but never been given a clear answer. This is perfect. Thanks
Btw, which one is fake L/R.? I am confused
at 1:10 the fake is on the right
this video got me confused, some features of the watch i have fit one and some other so im totally lost
Fakes are only a problem when they’re sold to someone as real.
Otherwise for personal use it doesn’t matter.
It’s just a watch.
Try saying that to yourself when it breaks and you can't get it fixed under warranty.
Then you buy another one.... Simple
I'd take my Seiko 5 over a fake Rolex anyday
I'd take a Seiko 5 over a real Rolex. If I took the Rolex it would be to sell that ugly thing and buy like 100 Seiko 5s.
Watches are mostly viewed from one metre away, can't spot the difference. No display back, can't spot the difference. $100 for a mechanical watch that looks pretty good, SOLD. I do actually feel for the watch industry as China and its lack of ethics is really eating it up, but $100, SOLD!
But you'll know you are wearing a fake...all the time.
@Row fair enough IF it makes someone happy. I myself don't want to support fakes that profit organized crime with my money and the illegal theft of intellectual property.
So the fake is on the left, right?
no fakes there, relax
I don’t feel sympathy for Cartier when they charge nearly $7k for this watch in the UK. I can’t imagine that they are worth that much even with the R&D, marketing and manufacturing costs. Despite the quality of finishing, I feel their watches have always had more of an image of high level fashion watches about them rather than high level pieces of horology.
True however if I don't think what a brand charges is worth what they're selling I simply don't buy it, I'd buy a genuine cheaper watch (hence why my small collection is exclusively Seiko for now), I wouldn't buy something dodgy that pretends to be the product from the brand I just refused to buy from however.
jacc88888 maybe you haven't heard about Cartier ID one and two concept or their mystery clock, I'd suggest you to watch watchfinder video on Cartier Rotonde De Cartier central chronograph to really understand how important Cartier in the watch industry
@@G1NZOU The price of high end watches has mostly risen well above inflation for a while now. I bought an Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch a little over fifteen years ago, brand new at Mappin & Webb on the high street for £1204. The same store today sells it for around £4200. Mine is down as an item of value on my house insurance so I could replace it if I lost it but I could not really afford to just go out and justify buying a new one today at the price they ask. I earn a little more than I did back then but nowhere near roughly three and a half times what I did. It cost me half a month's wages then and it now costs 1.5 x my month's wage today. The Speedmaster used to be amazing value for money, now they are on a cash grab it seems and have attempted to create perceived extra value of the watch simply by putting the price up a ridiculous amount.
This Cartier is harder to fake, but the superfakes of Rolexes are getting harder and harder to distinguish. And to me, if a replica gets to 98% of the real thing, but at 5% of the price, the replica is the better deal. It's why I like the Omega Speedmaster--replicas never get the subdials right because they can't copy the movement, so only the real thing passes muster.
I love my speedy, but I'd rather have the pride of knowing I saved $8000 than the shallow "pride and catchet" of owning some brand.
They keep on getting better. Unstoppable.
why don't fakes make their own brand? because marketing is the most costing part of the business, while making an almost identical copy is the least hard part.
This should be a regular series.
since what year the ballon blue has the inhouse 1847 MC movement????
Hmmmm...Really?...Cartier was passing an ETA movement for 5500 dollars..Hardly any decoration as well....Pretty sure not Rolex reliable...so.....A bit shocking have to say.....
I bought a watch as CARTIER, the movement was ETA. I going to return it.
People who buy fake watches are only buying them to impress other people. Otherwise go buy yourself a solid Seiko for the same price.
or........they like the look but don't wanna throw 5 - 6K under the bus. You see, not all of us are rich snobs that can afford to pay rent, bills and gas and still have enough money to buy a 5 - 6K watch. Some of us, just like fell in love with the design of the watch but can't afford to pay for it, and the only option left is to buy a fake, and maybe one day, when I have that kind of money, I'll buy a gen watch.
I literally can't tell which is fake from the zoomed out view. Is it the one on the left? Also, I like the fake dial better. The real one looks too sharp...
So, why would I buy an identical thing for 100x more money? Because the company is "old"? I'm not sure that's a good argument....
I'll take the fake because it's the same product for way less money. Where do I buy one?
(I wish there were solid gold fakes. The weight difference is real, and justifies the price difference. )
The dial printing is enough to spot on the fake. Take a high resolution photo of the dial and then zoom it 50% bigger and you will find the differences either in the dial printing or in the hands or even in the date wheel somewhere it will tell you I am fake.
Not the first but one of the earliest. Love your videos!
Impressive your analysis, really like and appreciate the detail coverage. Do you have a similar analysis for the Cartier Pasha ?
imagine you have to hammer one. and the one you didn't, you get to keep.
What is movements inside original and fake watches (Sellita,ETA,Soprod or any)?
superfake.store and swissmagic.store couldn’t tell the difference between original and this.
Sometimes you show the fake first, and other times the authentic, yes? And it's not clear to me when you zoom out which is the fake. Can someone please tell me, thanks. Love this channels videos.
U cant tell if its fake until u compare both side by side.
Dulled reflectivity and less clarity of light reflection of watch crystal from fake copies of name brand watches, gives them away almost every single time
I can't understand how people that own a fake. Still have the nerve to say it's a real piece. I couldn't bring myself to lie all the time! 😂
Would be nicer to show FAKE in bold letters when speaking and showing the fake… otherwise some speed over that video showing will confuse the viewing…. Which is fake? Which is real ? If not keen on the detail spotting fast enough you may miss that cue… help the viewer? Point clearly at the fake parts a bit more slowly and with clarity on the video… thank you for posting this !
I have never been disappointed since I became a customer of gussl. Their timepieces are of exceptional quality.
It's pretty hard to see the difference unless you know what to look for
great upload thanks
I have a real one and a fake one. The fake one is a stunt double for everyday use. When Cartier gets scratches on them, they look cheap.
You can take your real Cartier to an authorized dealer and they will polish it up back to the new-like condition.
You guys miss the point. Whether it is a $300 Seiko or a $3000 Cartier, they are atleast real and there is a sense of pride from buying something someone else does to the best of their abilities. If you care so much about price, then buy used. If you still can't justify spending $1000 on a watch, then watches aren't for you. $1000 is really nothing if you factor in all other needless expenses. Even so, saving money and buying the real watch is 10x more rewarding than buying a fake. Yeah I bought a fake 1601 datejust, then I saved $3500 for a Oysterquartz. Its a world of difference.
Very true, a $300 Seiko will definitely get you respect from any true watch fan. You don't have to spend $3000 to have a watch you appreciate, and you don't need to spend $100 on a fake of the $3000 one when you can get a high quality decent brand watch for $100 that'll last much longer than the fake.
The Bludragon “1000 dollars is really nothing” fuck you
@@skimshady He means in the world of horology, not that $1000 is a small amount of money. It's all relative.
Love your videos
Your information is rich and accurate. I really enjoy watching your videos.
Absolutely amazing , the descriptions and the facts 😊
Can you please make a video about Longines Master Collection Moonphase?
Thank you
Exceptional as always.
I see there is a Lot of commentary about why one should/ should'nt buy a fake watch or why the price of a watch is as it is, like thousands of dollars i will bring this argument down to a simple equation. "The function of a watch is to tell time, The function of the brand is to place you in a certain bracket of society Rich/ Poor, In other words your audacity of life, The dichotomy for a person who is buying into a brand fake or real he must realise that the brand is categorising him in a certain strata of society, so the rich buy a more expensive suitcase/ handbag a fancier car more luxurious airplane etc., The fact remains that the primary function of all these products are the ones to look for
Product / Function
Car Utility vehicle to drive one from Point A to point B
Bag Storage device to carry/ store ones goods from damage
Purse . Same as above.
Glasses . Utlity to protect from Harmful radiation/ Look properly through the eyeglass to read/ see
I can go on and on .. However the fact remains that the only reason one should buy a fake as against the original is simple these multinational brands invest millions into marketing a simple product to condition our mind to feel important, The question is do you want to feel important or be important by making a change in someone's life .. however if the technology is right and it serves a purpose then by all means go ahead and invest since it then enhances your quality.
But which one was it??? Pan out!
Where can I buy the fake? Thanks in advance.
Puretime
I can't believe how similar the Omega watch on gussl is to the original one.
So your spending an extra $5500 on pride and cachet? Gimmie that ZF factory clone and a used BMW.
Dan Russell it says a lot about about a persons character
Greg Mieg If counterfeit market revenue is $461 billion a year, there must be a lot of unscrupulous luxury good enthusiasts out there. Is buying a fake watch lying to yourself? Sure, but honestly, who doesn’t lie to themselves to make themselves happy. I’d rather have the same watch and all the attention and satisfaction it brings without the pit in my stomach knowing I just spent 10-20% of my yearly salary on a BLNR.
used BMW. lol, i like the way you think.
Dan Russell yes its called sheep. Same goes for mcdonalds and all the other trash out there.
Not necessarily. The workmanship is distinct and the fake pales in comparison. You pay for R&D and workmanship and Prestige. You don't buy nice watches to impress others. No one cares. You buy it to impress yourself. And a used BMW is still a BMW.
Amazing video 🏆👏
Wear a fake Cartier without anyone knowing, unless steps in with a Magnifying glass
The main goal of a fake factory is:
1. make the watch LOOK (!!) similar as much as possible to the original,
2. make the highest profit out of it.
The fakes you are seeing here are not fakes you are buying on your Egipt vacation for 30-50$. These costs almost as much as your ”All inclusive” holiday in Hurgada for one week ☺ While you think the watch only needs to look like the original, you would be very surpised when your Daniel Wellington quartz would last much longer than this Cartier.
I believe only rich people can buy high grade fakes for 500$+, because they can afford to smile at it and throw it away once it stops working. I bet, 99% of the people writing comments ”I don’t care, for me this fake is great” would start crying when they would realize they throw in trash 500$ in less than one year..
You can get “fakes” serviced as well pretty cheap
I got lots of original watches, and do really enjoy my replicas too, because they are made to perfection, same materials and clone movement.... The thing is... enjoy your stuff for youself. I hate people who use stuff to impress and feel entitled, and that to me... is the ugly in this hobbie.
What about the vintage ones? I have one so old that it only has the Cartier logo and that's it. And some times I doubt it's original. But I know it's old as the previous owner was really really old and he told me he go it from his dad, and I trust him.
Great, now I know that the next time I meet someone wearing a Cartier at a party, and I take a dislike to them and presume their watch must be fake, all I have to do in order to call them out successfully is whip out my electron microscope!
I have now seen Fake Breguet Watches made in Solid 18kt gold! exact copy of Movement 584q/2 solid gold rotor and all for $6K dollars U.S it wont be long when the Chinese will match the swiss quality at a fraction of Swiss Prices after all they are using the same Swiss made machines to now make exact copies they should really make there own watch designs though as they are now capable to compete in quality!
The way you capture the watches in your channel is mesmerizing. If you Can capture Cartier Drive Extra Flat watch please.
Crazy how more humans than ever now use pocket watches. Cell phones
You can cheat people but you can't cheat yourself, and cheating yourself is a big guilt that you can't wash and rinse it off your soul.
LOL as if wearing a fake watch is a crime punishable by death. It’s just a fucking watch brand founded by some person like u and me some years ago. Ppl act like it’s some sort of holy item and worship them like a god. Honestly even authentic Cartier quality aren’t that great and it’s definitely not worth the 6k they are asking for. Btw this is coming from someone who doesn’t even own a fake.
Well said
rinse off our soul..omg
Still not worth the money for the original, I rather go for other premium brand.
Victor Tan exactly. They are embarrassed to show he movement. Its an entry level swiss watch. Hardly special.
That is fair enough and at least partly a matter of taste. There are a dozen watches I'd buy before a Cartier even though they are well made and often beautiful.
How can A layman spot these errors without a magnifying class?
What about the bracelet??any advice...thanks
If I like a watch, I don't care who made it, That doesn't mean that I will put up with sloppy workmanship, or an inferior movement. I will not(knowingly) buy replica's but I do enjoy a good Homage, Steinberg comes to mind as a quality watchmaker whose models are often based on a more famous and expensive watch, but often with twist of their own, like a ceramic bevel where the original was aluminium, or in a colour not offered or a different set of hands than the model it is based on, and at a price more in keeping with the actual materials and workmanship cost. Importantly Steinberg takes ownership of their watches, proudly displaying their name. I will not even contemplate paying £1000's for a mass produced watch like for example a Rolex. Rolex and its sister company Tudor, who produce 1000,000 watches a year, they spend a fortune on advertising and although they are a well made quality watch, in my opinion(you might disagree) they are grossly overpriced. I have a rule, it says that I will not pay more than £1000 for a watch, and even if I win Millions on the lottery I will stick to that limit. I do not buy watches as a status symbol, most people don't even notice if you are wearing a watch, I buy watches because I love them for what they are, Timepieces that demonstrate what man can achieve with a bit of metal and a few bits of glass. I have little interest in history, I don't care what happened 120 years ago when someone was flying a Biplane and so designed a watch accordingly. I care about what I am putting on my wrist today, it doesn't need to have 10 complications, i want to know the time(my favourite watch only has one hand and no date window), the date is useful just to remind me about birthdays or even how long until I get paid, but its not essential. I couldn't care less what phase of the moon it is, or even what day it is, that's something I always know anyway, same goes for the month. I also don't eat caviar in fancy restaurants, or holiday in Monaco or lust after a Bugatti. If I did I would probably think different. If I was offered that fake Cartier, I might buy it, if i liked it and it came within my price limit and I was convinced that it was a quality watch, but i wouldn't buy it if I knew it was a fake. I have heard that some fakes are actually better made than the originals, but that was probably made up by someone trying to justify his wearing of a fake. Nine times out of ten I couldn't tell a fake from an original, but who is going to bother to fake an Orient or even a San Martin although I do know they are selling fake Seagull 1963's. A Chinese knock off of a Chinese Replica(reissue would be more correct). WOW did I write all that, my old English teacher would be amazed.
Received a Cartier watch years ago from a relative… and ever since then I’ve wondered if it is a legitimate Cartier watch. I understand Cartier doesn’t divulge any information do to their privacy policy.
We are wearing watches on a wrist but pocket computers,well.... in pocket. Strange.
I have cartier watch, i didnt use 1month, its now not working, how i get power
Real, fake, overpriced or not, I like the design. Good vid.
I will now buy the fake, it looks really good.
Fake watch 100 $
Original one 6000 $
The similarities between both of them are very close but the price difference is too big ...
its hard making quality products
Throwback to days when Fakes didnt pretend to be original. NOKLA, ABIBAS, US Polio, Pizza Hot or even...THE NORTH FAKE.
Hi. Is it possible to replace the machine of original cartier into fake?
Excellent video. The closing points are particularly relevant when you think of some of the amazing affordable watches that are out there.
Fake watch doesn't spend a dime in R&D/Marketing.
But it's hard to spot that fake. I don't think the price Cartier asks is justifiable when you take that into account.
Better to buy from brands that are more difficult to copy. Who buys a original LV bag this days?
There is a little R&D in the fake market I'd say. Producing a movement that meets the sizing and complications of the original probably takes some work
then everybody would just buy a patek.
Everything I see someone with Gucci or lv, I always tell myself it's probably fake.
Nor do those companies you're paying that make the clothes you are wearing and those shoes you're wearing from those sweat shops ✌️
@@arnaudmeert1527 I wear a Rolex Daytona that was given to me from my race team when we placed at the Daytona 24hr race in 2015. I also wear a Seiko skx007 which my parents bought for me as a birthday present as that's all they could afford many years ago. The seiko, to me has more value, sentimentally than the Rolex. Also, not once has anyone in almost 3years ever complimented me or asked me about my Rolex. To most people walking past, it's just a watch. At quick glance no one would tell if it was real or fake.
It’s not my role to expose the fake.
In due time it will expose itself for whats really is and the person who owns it.
If you know what I mean....
Guys! Can we actually make a decision on this? Which is the fake left hand or right hand? Someone discerning please answer!
What i like about the crown is because of the blue but at the same time I can never really enjoy it because of the guard.
Será que tem algum vídeo em português? Pra entender melhor
To all commenters:
Guys, just relax. 'Fake' is a term applicable rather to the sellers wanting to sell more then others...
Cancel ziarex and mega clone watches. They are destroying the whole community of original watches and becoming a threat to the economy and dignity of Rolex.
😭 after this lecture i cant still tell which is fake
I'm all good with a fake. If I like a style and can't find a good dupe, I'll definitely buy a fake.
Being proud of owning a non-replica watch is as ludicrous as being proud of owning a replica