Holy f*ck, what a great quote. Didn't euphoria nail the mental illness part, i mean at least a part of it ive heard? How did they make that sound like a parody
@@user-sg4ov7ng4hthe actors of euphoria had some say even if not enough about the script, the casting is full of really talented people and the writer actually suffered with addiction so he took away from his own experiences, this show doesn’t have any of it, just the objectification of women part
the fact that this show was already written by a woman and Abel/TheWeekend said that it had too much of a womens perspective, fired the director and chose Sam Levinson and cowrote it with him, it just feels like a self insert fanfiction of him, its crazy how good it could have been
Omg I was reading about that. It would’ve been more interesting as a female perspective. I feel like Jocelyn is a character written by a man and she has no real personality.
@@juliehayden123the whole show reeks of a woman having nothing in her mind but trauma and is too happy to show her tits to anything with eyes. Not surprised to know it was directed by the same guy who directed Euphoria.
It wasn't written by a woman, Amy Semeitz was supposed to direct it, but I don't think she wrote it. I read it was Tesfaye's story from the start. There's a lot of hearsay going around anyway. I only hope that if it was THAT good and thought-provoking, it wouldn't have been scrapped. Guess we'll never know.
sam levinson really saw everyone pointing out and criticizing the bad things about euphoria, and decided to make a show based on all those exact things that dragged euphoria down.
@@whoisdis8201 seriously tho like i watched a different commentary video about the show, and there was the scene of jocelyn talking with the cult members while one of them is singing, the acting in that scene was so good and drew you in to the characters stories ….and then the weekend comes back on screen
@@lesliexhale Yah well said. Euphoria is honestly a very confusing show that had many unnecessary things especially the first season. But I feel like everyone who's watched Euphoria can say that the second season had a more intriguing storyline and the actors 1000% ate their roles.
absolutely and the way hes responded to the very valid criticism makes him seem like a 7th grade boy who just discovered the word “roasting” for the first time
In the rolling stone article one of the people they interviewed said that the weeknd was barely there and barely participated in the writing if he even participated at all so the fact alone that the weeknd most probably didnt even participate in the writing and still had his name in the credits it's just a wtf? Cause it ain't like anyone would like to be credited as a script writer with that "stretch that tiny little p*ssy" 💀
The difference between this show and Euphoria is that Zendaya can actually act and you can sometimes ignore the bad writing, the Weekend can’t act and it only exemplifies the bad writing
The nudity thing is so weird to me. Jocelyn wants to show off her body which is fine, the problem is not everyone wants to see her body without being warned beforehand. There's a reason flashing people is illegal, it's a form of sexual assault/harassment.
@@Yasmine-mm1yc woman walk around with their private parts showing also. It's only illegal for straight men. It should be illegal for everyone though.
It's sad that so many good shows, especially animated shows, were cut prematurely and removed from HBOMAX and yet horrible shows like this and Velma not only stay but are being promoted heavyhandedly. Just...awful.
Don't worry, given the reports coming out of WB they will either sell themselves off piece by piece or and just start producing nothing but cheap reality shows.
@@Ditto.007 I don't think he should regret it, it allowed him to get other roles that he likes more ! He is a great actor I'm sure most people agree with that.
@@lilydamian1477 idk. I am a woman and have been w sus men due to vulnerability and have said something along those lines sometimes. Which is not good.
@@xbluebirdx yeah like one time a guy said something bad and for some reason it turned me on and that’s how I realized I’m super fucked up. So it definitely is true.
This line and Jos saying she likes Tedros, not just in spite of, but BECAUSE he gives of a rape-y vibe was when I realized that the people behind this show are as much a mess as the actual show.
“Nudity” riders aren’t just there to protect the talent. They are also in place for co stars and crew. You just can’t get naked in front of people unless they give consent. It is weird to present an intimacy coordinator as a “party pooper”. When their literal job it to make sure everyone is safe. The crime of The Idol is that with all the background explorative stories of Miley, Kesha, Brittany and Lil Kim’s lives a corny ass CULT is the angle they choose.
As much as I wanna agree, why would any actress agree to even deliver those lines? I think the female actors should take part of the blame too. But yeah, still equally disgusting.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 see, the thing is these kinds of people (because quite frankly this can happen with both sides and I've seen it happen) usually romantise it because they are (again usually, not all the time) so touch starved that they begin to think its actually ok, which is a whole other pile of unsolved mental problems that if it was physical it would be a practically a island made of garbage and doesn't help that usually in young adult books they put in stuff like rape and abuse but "make it seem just fine" which in turn makes those people who read them become desensitised to it I will never understand the people who think its ok if I'm honest
“Mental illness is sexy!” Until you’re weeping on the floor for spilling your drink. Or you get overwhelmed by the big loud events by happening by your house and start screaming your head off. Or the days when you can’t do shit cause your brain decided to be filled with fog. Or you having a depressive episode and not cleaning your living space for two months. Or you not having the energy to actually do basic self care like showering and brushing your teeth and hair. I can keep going. I have loads of these
But breasts are just breasts. Men can be topless and women should be able to aswell. It's a sexist doubles standard. Breasts shouldn't be sexualised and censored in this way. It's oppressive
@@user-bq2ko2tb2w I'm pretty sure quite a few people here agree but we aren't at that place in society yet. Plus it should depend on whether someone wants to show themselves nude or not as well as any other potential parties consenting to see someone nude
It did, but that`s a lie lol they only said they wanted to criticize to get away with it and see if people fall for it, because then, if folks don`t like it they can always try to pull off the "I guess you are not smart enough to get it" card, wich fits the egotistical pretentious nature of Sam Levinson,...I mean, the guy had the audacity to claim at Cannes that this thing would be the biggest show of the summer 😂😂
before levinson stepped in, a female director lead the show but she ended up quitting. it was supposed to be satirical and more female focused before levinson scrapped 80% of the show and made it a wannabe revenge porn. rolling stones wrote a lengthy artical on it and interviewed the staff that quit, and they said "the idol became a parody of itself" or something along those lines
Quick reminder that the female director who originally wrote this show got ousted by the weekend and replaced by Sam Levinson because it was leaning in a more "female perspective" (no shit its gonna be in a female perspective Jocelyn is the main character not Tedros Tedros)
@@MagicCardboardBox he’s a nepo baby, don’t forget that… is not only actors and models who benefit from it, the bulk of executive producers in Hollywood is full of nepotism and they’re the ones making the big decisions.
To think a show managed to be worse than 356 days is true talent fr Twilight is an absolute masterpiece now and Edward is a Greek God, Christian grey is the most handsome angel ever , massimo is a hot rich bad boy now
The Idol was 95% shot then The Weeknd and Sam came on board, fired the female director and rewrote the script because they said “it was too much from a female perspective”. They are both disgusting.
@@gosick442 I don’t know much about him, but I doubt he ACTED like a serial killer. You know, all creepy and weird. A cult leader wants to lure people in, not make them hide and call the police
EXACTLY!! Real life cult who try/succeed in killing people never act like it’s their goal. An example I recently read about was a Japanese cult(who’s name I forgot but if you look up some Japanese cults they will most likely show up.) The cult leader presented himself as other worldly and magical. He literally took a picture that looked like he could float in the air, and used it to gain followers. He claimed that he could help others reach that point as well, and it seemed pretty chill at first, probably because it started as a yoga club.(might not have been yoga, I might remember it wrong) He literally became a trusted instructor, and then slowly turned his students to his side. When he later started doing morally bad stuff, like performing dangerous human experiments, he framed it as the way to reach his level of divinity. If you survived, you were one step closer to being just like him, and if you didn’t, then you were never meant for such power. (According to the cult leader of course) of course, like any other cult, they also portrayed non-cultist as below the cult. Claiming they were less worth, and that when dooms day came, only the cult would survive. Cause you don’t just make it clear you want to hurt others, you easy people into believing hurting others is for the greater good. This cult was so good at it, they got some seriously smart scientists into the cult, and used them to start producing some really dangerous gas. They then used the gas on some of Tokyos trains, killing and hurting a lot of people. Especially cause one of the gas packages made it onto a station, and therefore hurt even more people then just those on the train. Obviously commuting theorisem means the police and the government start coming after you, and the cult leader was eventually caught. And now Japan is a lot more strict when it comes to keeping an eye on religions and cults. If you’re interested I recommend looking into it more yourself, because I can’t tell everything with all the facts in a single comment. But it’s super interesting on how cults function. And how a leader can manipulate people. Although you need a bit of a stomach. Some stuff that went on is seriously messed up, and not for the faint of heart.
I was at a Blackpink concert last weekend and a drunk guy was literally telling everyone how amazing Jenny was in _The Idol_ and how she should have been the main character 😂
Kpoppers are running the rumor that she is gonna be nominated for an Emmy; and they are also saying that if she doesn't win it is because they "Hate her because she is pretty and not American". I wish I was joking, I worry for the future of the world with these 12 year olds.
They are the most toxic fandom. Ngl...its pretty common for that fandom to bully people/give them death threats online...even gaslight people against the one they don't like. More than half of the fandom is a red flag and you can't even say anything to them because most of them are kids. Jeez! They're basically drug addicts...and if you say anything about their habits...well you know!
“mental illness is sexy” yeah it’s cringe as a line of dialogue but its spot on in this day and age, people do romanticise the hell out of it, this show will just encourage that though.
I think that line is a great example of them becoming the thing they were supposed to satirize. I wish they had stuck with the OG director, I think it could have been a good dark satire
That’s kinda the point they say that metal illness is sexy then don’t do anything with it like? They literally do what they were telling us the audience not to do….like….
I feel like anyone who has uttered those words or thinks mental illness is sexy has never suffered from the indescribable anguish that is true mental illness
I find it funny that BOJACK HORSEMAN, a dark-ish animated comedy show, actual did better portraying the dark side of Hollywood than this show. Also the character Sarah-Lynn is more compelling and very tragic than the main female lead. Another far better example of the dark-side of the entertainment industry: OSHI NO KO
to the point of how tone deaf the whole jocelyn trying to break the intimacy contract and stuff is, i think it's wild that no one in the show acknowledges how dangerous it to set a precedent that those contracts can be broken like that
Sam Levinson have a history of use plot points to talk shit about people he doesn’t like and is well known how much he fought the guys enforcing the intimacy contracts in Euphoria. And like Ryan Murphy with Glee but on steroids.
@@charlottedekievit3874 totally true like she got barely any screentime and the show is bad so hopefully her future projects will allow her to showcase her talents more
I really wished she could have starred in the marvel series instead, im trying so hard to defend her choices atp, but I still love her as Jennie of BP instead of Jennie Ruby Jane, wish she could take a better series next time!
im sure there are a few glimpses of it on the plot, the only good scenes like jocelyn calling for her dead mom, troye getting electrocuted and admitting to have resentment towards jocelyn, the table debate on how pain makes the best art. But it's all lost in the sea of shtty acting and horrible unnecessary scenes and writing.
The og team was kicked cause they’re too focused on the “female experience” for The Weekend’s taste so that says all we need to know about what could have been.
Your analysis of Jocelyn’s character being a vessel of trauma was excellent. I never realized Sam Levinson only wrote trauma, not people, until you pointed it out!!
The Weeknd fighting trolls on twitter instead of actually addressing the justified criticism of the show, including beefing with a 16 year old. He’s just ruining his entire reputation tbh and has turned into such a loser. Hugely disappointing bc I was a big fan of his. The Epstein “joke” really pushed me over the edge.
He’s always been a phony, wearing a wig. I’ve never understood how he has so many hits, and the fact he doesn’t write his own songs, just make his pop hits feel even hollower. The show should be about him.
The comparison to twilight is ten times funnier when you consider the fact that Robert Pattinson hated Twilight and the Wkend was apparently super into all aspects of production like taking it over etc 🤣
These people really thought that Tedros and his rat tail would be the classic hot love interest. Also one of the director/producers (I'm not sure what role she had in development but it was major) was essentially fired for making the show have "a female perspective". Oh dear, a female perspective in a show with a main character who is a woman. Utterly tragic.
The woman who was fired was the original director. About 80% of the series was completed before The Weekend essentially fired her and replaced her with Sam Levinson.
Sam levingson probably has a lot of power and is just allowed to keep going and going without any pushback, like the nickelodeon foot fetish guy and the US gymnastics team doctor. We'll probably be getting a lot more content from this egotistical "man."
@@nibirueright! I was like you mean to tell me she lied about the abuse from her mother and got off on hurting herself and the people around her? That’s sick
18:53 If the show followed through with Amy Seimetz's original vision, I think it would have a lot more to say. Huge thanks to Mr. Sam Nepo Baby Levinson and Mr. Abel Weeknd for taking over, calling it too "female-centric" even though the *main character* is female, and redoing the whole thing until the project became the worst version of itself. At least everyone's coming together to clown on Abel Weeknd. Never should have let him cook.
they need to release Amy Seimetz's cut just for my mental health i need to know how much they ruined the original work but they probably wouldn't because they know that verson is better and they'll be more critisized for it
@@windyp0d i agree! Would love to see an actual woman’s perspective take on this , I really wish they’d give us more than 5 episodes 🫤 it felt so unfinished
Yes!! They had shot about 80% of the show when apparently The Weekend didn't like that it was "focusing on the 'female perspective'" and Levinson got in and they re-shoot most of it, turning it into a whole different show. I want to see the Amy Seimetz's cut!
Since they changed the point of view, and gave more importance to Tedros (The Weeknd), why didn't they also change the title of the series ? "The guru" or "Guru in Hollywood", instead of "The Idol" 😉. By the way, there are no clues about how Jocelyn is so famous and popular around the world ...
Not really. Sam Levinson made Euphoria, and that show by itself made hbo tons of money. So they let him do whatever. The thing is that Sam Levinson had help writing euphoria, but the Idol was all him.
@@georgehernandez2156Euphoria has Zendaya in it so the point of shows getting popular because of popular actors still applies- I'm actually pretty sure a lot of people started watching Euphoria specifically because of Zendaya, too-(?)
@@TiaTam True. The only reason I ever even thought of sitting down to watch it (I still didn't) was bc "Yay, Zendaya's getting more serious roles since K.C. Undercover!".
Its crazy that we need to add it to make comment valid, but sure - i also suffer from depression half of my life, doctors, medications, you name it. But because of my condition i cannot ban movies to make scripts. By the way i think you completely missed the underline message behind this "mental illness is sexy" in movie. Are people not able to think beyond the lines when they watch movies or read books? I actually think this sentence in movie as well as lot of other things which were included actually was trying to show the harsh reality media is dealing with when deciding what show to society. Yes, she was sexy, depressed and it brought money. Thats how f up is society, because boring don't sell. The movie gave as possibility to criticize our sick society, yet again we missed the point and just jump on movie and one more time are offended about something. I think this movie have deep message and most of people missed it. Nobody is able to think anymore : D
You can kinda tell the writers were going for a parody of Hollywood and what young women go through to become famous, but either Sam Levingson didn’t get that, or didn’t know how to execute it properly. Either way the product became what it was meant to poking fun at. The scene with the intimacy coordinator is made extra icky when you remember Sydney Sweeney had to put her foot down for season 2 of Euphoria and told Levingson she wasn’t taking her clothes off for no reason anymore, as his response seems to be “but women want to take their clothes off and intimacy coordinators are the issue!”
I vaguely remember Emilia Clarke kind of had to do the same thing for Game of Thrones and the internet kind of had a similar reaction that because she did it early on when she was unknown then they somehow figured she was making a big deal over nothing once she had the audacity to use her newfound leverage to stand up for herself.
This, and I honestly think it’s hypocritical how they want to critize the oversexualization of women in the industry while literally sexualizing a woman in the industry
The fact that this came out the same year as Oshi no Ko (covers the horrors of the idol industry and media in general in Japan) is so shocking to me. After it, even.
Some actors and music artists are able to cross work with both professions. The Weeknd is an example of sticking with one career or profession throughout your life.
Nah he's not even a good musician. He worked with a lot of classic french producers to make some great music, but that was because of them, not him. So many misogynistic lyrics and utter lack of self awareness. Also his later stuff is just straight up bad.
Ok,Ik I may seem biased,but I am a long time The Weekend fan his music is pretty good,when the weekend has full on creative control,he makes sum pretty good shirt films
I gotta say, it's kind of insane how terrible Tedros' character is, because I didn't see ANY girly make any video, or post, or whatever about him. Even, the ones who were making sad edits of Evan Peters' Jeffrey Dahmer are SILENT and If I was the Weeknd I'd feel the burn.
@@CuteAnimalVideos2580 that wasn't the point I was making. Plenty of people could love a character like Tedros no matter how toxic he is. Him being bad or toxic or an abuser could be compelling. But The Weeknd can't inject any charisma in his 'acting' and it makes the character look ridiculous.
I find it unbelievably gross that they 100% took Jeannette McCurdy’s trauma and gave it to Jocelyn because “I’m Glad My Mom Died” was so well received. This show could’ve been so good and it’s literally got people who are in the music industry in it…but it’s just not. 😒
The biggest irony about this show is that it is supposed to show the dark side of the music industry and the exploitation of Joselyn, in other words how cruel is the management of pop stars but after watching episode 4, Joselyn management team (Chaim, Destiny, Leia) are the only characters that have good intentions and are actually likeable, even Joselyn is narcissistic sometimes.
Well since the director (a woman) was replaced because the show was too focused on "female perspective", I guess the new one (a man) didn't like the message so he changed 98% of the old script😒
Joss is more than a narc, she abused troye sivan(can't remember his character name sorry, LOL) and let leia get treated like shit. she lost all sympathy i had for her the past episodes.
It is showing the dark side of the industry you actually have to be in the music industry to understand everything that’s going on. Exploitation of women in music is only one aspect. They explored how labels treat their artists, how someone you can trust can turn into competition, the gatekeeping of some artists, how the media portrays stories, the cult like parties and violence that goes on. I don’t think this show is for everyone to understand it
The part about her characters non-existing personality is so true, it really made me wonder who her fans even are and how she seems to be so popular?? Like what is there to like??
I would have been fine with The Weekends character always coming across as a little creepy and weird, because too often bad men are portrayed as “cool” and it inspires other dudes to behave like him (examples: Patrick Bateman, Tyler Durden, and Derek Vinyard) but he at least needed to have enough charisma to charm Joselyn and his followers. Like look at Charles Manson, many people who met him found him off putting, but he still had enough charm to get people to kill for him. But The Weekend’s acting is so bad I can’t buy it even for a second!
I can maybe see where people think Durden is cool but I'd argue going the same route with Patrick Bateman and Derek Vinyard weren't paying attention to the movie even a little bit.
Honestly i think abel should just stick to music, he's good at it. I love his songs but idk about acting. Like i feel like he was made to be a singer. He's terrible at acting lol
Euphoria is doody and in ten years we'll be asking "remember when we all thought that bad show was good? Wasn't it weird how much the show sexualized high school age characters?"
It deppendss how you view it, if you view it as a teen show, by teens for teens, then it is GOLD, but if you view it as an adult and just a smidgen think you wanna bang one or more of the Characters, then theres when we have problem 😅
@@megteg not defending euphoria its trash but have you seen the show? how do you watch episode 5 in season 2 and think yess I want to end up like rue....The shows handle's rues addiction pretty well and does NOT romanticize it...There is also that scene of 3 seconds of nothing that further proves that it doesn't romanticize it, no teen watches rue OD and have such raw realistic fights with her family and thinks yeah im doing drugs, it was quite the OPPOSITE OF THAT WHEN IT WAS AIRING. It never condones drugs but rather the opposite say wtv u want abt euphoria but it does not romanticize drugs...It shows both the good and the bad
I know damn well that the scene with Joseline and whole the nudity thing is just Sam’s way to get a free out-of-jail card from people reasonably criticizing Euphoria for sexualizing high school teenage girls. I’m all for women using their bodies for whatever, it’s your body and you have the freedom to do what you want with it. But there is a line drawn when in regards to an underage person in terms of showing off their body, and it is so fucking funny seeing Sam trying to use the whole “Women show body cool” as an excuse for underage nudity and sex scenes.
Even if they're not underage, it's still not "empowering" at all y'all just say all this to go with the crowd. No matter how you look at it explict TV or sex work: you're STILL catering to men. Incredibly weird men and your livelihood depends on these men who merely see you as an object and would deny you abortion if you were sexually assaulted or any other rights. ight back all you want but it's the truth 🤷🏻♀️
Yup. It’s the same reason why grown men think it’s ok to sexualize underage girls because they “mature faster” but the moment you correlate this assumption to girls therefore being given all the authoritative positions over their male peers, foam comes out of their mouths in denial.
also it's so stupid how she thinks they're prohibiting her from showing her body or whatever, when in reality she can do whatever she wants as long as she lets them know in advance !!!! it's so simple
What I think is interesting is that the creator of euphoria had to deal with a young female blonde actor wanting less sex scenes in season two, and then he decides to write a show where there's a hot blonde young actor who's so badly wants to show her body. It's like a parody of real life except he's made it seem like the woman was the one who wanted it and not him.
I saw a trailer for this show, and I thought it was some stylized thriller about a young pop star getting sucked into a cult for celebrities. Boy, I was way off. 😳 I had a much more interesting plot in my head than what we ended up getting.
SAME!!!! I too was waaaay off! I thought it was going to be parallel to pop stars careers like Britney Spears or stars like Anna Nicole…which in way it does seem parallel to their lives but this show…whew took a really dark turn & twist…disturbing and so cringe @ the same time!
they honestly couldve gone for some deep emotional type of stuff about fame and hollywood, sky is the limit and already in the weeknd's music such as in "after hours" his lyrics do touch some of this. but nah, the weeknd's yes men and that sam guy made it weird
I was thinking the same thing, and I THINK that was the original writer/directors vision, and there's some hints of that, but then the weeknd and euphoria guy took over and ruined it. Which is a real shame, because there's a lot of potential there
@@Reese493I don't know, considering Letos reputation to go method in the dumbest and most annoying ways to everyone around him possible and him already having a cult, just seems a recipe for disaster.
Watching this show feels like being gaslit. One moment you can sorta see what they want to critize. The next you wonder why the characters are doing devil tango
Exactly this. I've been trying to find a way to explain this feeling. It's like you watch a horrible, tone deaf, shallow scene but you can immediately see how the showrunners would justify it as something with a deeper meaning that we, the audience, can't fathom. But it's really just all poorly written with little subtext or subtlety, that CAN be read into (in a way the writers probably never intended)
I like that Alex's commentary dug deeper than normal, considering the audience for this show is older. Really would like to hear his real criticisms more often!
the fact that we have underrated, underappreciated, absolutely stunning Indie directors, actors, animators, artists, writers, and photographers while the mainstream media is being flooded by stuff like this who mind you take hundreds of millions of dollars just to make in this day and age is just... abysmal and I mean no shade to the actually talented people who work on this but have to conform to the whip of whatever management think will be good
I think what make the show even crazier is that the original writer wanted a story to show the real struggle of being a pop star and Sam and the weeknd was like forgot that let’s make it sexy and raunchy
"this show makes twilight look like a masterpiece" is my new favorite sentence. i can see sam levinson losing his shit if someone ever said this to him
"Weird dude meets boring girl and we're supposed to think he's hot" you'd be surprised how much unfortunate success this trope has... I am literally friends with a girl who loves this trope (and much, much worse tropes).
Shows like this make me really appreciate well written shows that involve trauma like sex education. Like they built stable characters who were affected and developed trauma and you see how they change. That’s how you write trauma and social commentary
@@Escapism888 And also the animation movie "Perfect Blue", that tells the story of a former idol who wants to start a new career as an actress and faces harassment and threats; and "Oshi No Ko", an anime series that tells the story of many idols and the dark side of the entertainment industry in Japan that could also apply to Hollywood
And we all thought Riverdale was the bottom of the barrel💀This show is just an excuse for Sam Levinson to create his own fetishes and I can't believe HBO let him.
The scene where Teddy Rose threatens the guy in the store with his soft Michael Jackson voice will never stop being funny to me and will always live rent-free in my mind.
@@nonloso7845 nahhh even ignoring her could summon the fandom …. I’m not a blink but even I would think “seriously ? R we just gonna ignore Jenny?” I mean she is half the reason why this show is famous in the first place. He can’t just not address the elephant in the room 😛😛 that’s why I was worried when I saw Alex made a video on this show….if he doesn’t mention it’s a problem if he mentions in the wrong way it’s a problem…..anyway he found the perfect answer 😙😙
HBO went from having some of the literal best shows ever made (Sopranos, Sex and the City, Succession, The Wire etc.,) to destroying themselves like Netflix but in another way! How fun. Also I’m so disappointed to see Hank Azaria and Dan Levy is in it :/
This show sounds like the underwear versus bikini argument. True Lily Rose Depp is 24, and as an adult can take whatever role she wants, but as they do with all young female actresses, they put them in certain roles that objectify them until they hit that Hollywood wall and get discarded for the next crop of young actresses.
I think we all owe Edward Cullen, Christian Grey, and Massimo from 369 days an apology. Like they don’t deserve the amount of slander. The Weekends crusty ass creep of a character deserves The Hague.
I feel like this story would be much more effective if the driving force of the whole series was about Jocelyn spiraling after the death of her mom. Not the trauma of her mother’s death, but that moment when someone is in a new environment or something traumatic happens and they just…break free. Do reckless things. Try things they never would have done in their old controlling life. That spiral of vulnerability that impulsive control that says “screw the world, I am my own person” without any regards to self-preservation. That would at least make her relationship with Tedros more believable. It would also give the her team a more interesting dynamic: what do you do with a person who wants to change their brand while in a clear mental sabotage.
True! you make me realise we never see her breakdown, except in the music video scene. She doesn't look like someone who is having a rough time, just blank paper syndrome. If only she was an absolute mess at first and then Tedrose shows up and is the one making her go back on track _ and not by using his magic D, but actually make her follow an healthier, more productive lifestyle _ while isolating her from her team it would have been much better
6:17 i honestly think it’s trash the way they want to excuse the sexualization of women by the “my body, my choice” narrative when it has nothing to do with the situation in the show and it’s only being used to show nudity with an empowerment excuse or some shit that has nothing empowering about it, it’s just contributing to the problem.
As someone studying acting and who has done some intimacy training you are 100% right in calling out that intimacy coordinator scene... That is... Yikes. Especially given the show enjoys exploiting and fetishising abuse and trauma (including sexual abuse). I mean, talk about being tone deaf. It's also hilariously ironic considering they would've had an intimacy coordinator for much of the filming of the show.
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Oh my god… “Weird guy meets boring girl” is exactly what this genre is
I mean all romance movies since twilight are basically that
Broken*
So it's like the Boring guy meets manic pixie girl?
@@javierlopez9789 I hate how right you are
For once I'd like to see a couple where they are both obviously insane
Its crazy how we've gone from "Still a better love story than Twilight"
To "Twilight was a better lovestory"
Oh hoe the turn tables
Now it'll be "still a better love story than the idol"
I mean whoa but also yeah.
And sadly.
but who's watching all those shows that worse than twillight like cmon
Arguably oh hoe the turn tables is more fitting 😂
To be fair after watching this garbage I consider 50 shades a well written movie XDDD
This show is the epitome of "To someone who's never seen the ocean, a puddle looks really deep."
Holy f*ck, what a great quote.
Didn't euphoria nail the mental illness part, i mean at least a part of it ive heard? How did they make that sound like a parody
@@user-sg4ov7ng4hthe actors of euphoria had some say even if not enough about the script, the casting is full of really talented people and the writer actually suffered with addiction so he took away from his own experiences, this show doesn’t have any of it, just the objectification of women part
@@orpheousreads exactly
What does that mean 😅
You mean really depp
the fact that this show was already written by a woman and Abel/TheWeekend said that it had too much of a womens perspective, fired the director and chose Sam Levinson and cowrote it with him, it just feels like a self insert fanfiction of him, its crazy how good it could have been
Omg I was reading about that. It would’ve been more interesting as a female perspective. I feel like Jocelyn is a character written by a man and she has no real personality.
@@juliehayden123the whole show reeks of a woman having nothing in her mind but trauma and is too happy to show her tits to anything with eyes. Not surprised to know it was directed by the same guy who directed Euphoria.
It wasn't written by a woman, Amy Semeitz was supposed to direct it, but I don't think she wrote it. I read it was Tesfaye's story from the start. There's a lot of hearsay going around anyway. I only hope that if it was THAT good and thought-provoking, it wouldn't have been scrapped. Guess we'll never know.
I mean the show is based on a female…so why not be from her pov
Tbh even if that's true, it was still very bad from the beginning
The worst part about this show is despite all the crazy plot lines it still manages to be one of the most boring shows I have seen
right? all that money , time, wasted and so much controversy just for it to be boring
Agree at the end of the day the worst "sin" od a show is being boring
Yes! I've found is so long and boring 😂😅
This show is so boring that watching D'Angelo summarize it was boring. And I've never found him unentertaining.
I watch it, waiting for something to happen...still waiting...
sam levinson really saw everyone pointing out and criticizing the bad things about euphoria, and decided to make a show based on all those exact things that dragged euphoria down.
Euphoria really has its moments where I think it’s good but there’s still so many glaring problems with it that it’s hard to overlook.
It's sick that the show is almost decent till tedros rat tail comes on the screen
i guess somethings wrong with me because i like this a little more than euphoria
@@whoisdis8201 seriously tho like i watched a different commentary video about the show, and there was the scene of jocelyn talking with the cult members while one of them is singing, the acting in that scene was so good and drew you in to the characters stories ….and then the weekend comes back on screen
@@lesliexhale Yah well said. Euphoria is honestly a very confusing show that had many unnecessary things especially the first season. But I feel like everyone who's watched Euphoria can say that the second season had a more intriguing storyline and the actors 1000% ate their roles.
Letting The Weeknd believe he could act or be a script writer is laughable!
absolutely and the way hes responded to the very valid criticism makes him seem like a 7th grade boy who just discovered the word “roasting” for the first time
@@sk3lut yea Rolling Stones did warn us
In the rolling stone article one of the people they interviewed said that the weeknd was barely there and barely participated in the writing if he even participated at all so the fact alone that the weeknd most probably didnt even participate in the writing and still had his name in the credits it's just a wtf? Cause it ain't like anyone would like to be credited as a script writer with that "stretch that tiny little p*ssy" 💀
He should have just stuck to singing
I've never heard of his music. I just know him from that meme of him looking lost while walking through those hallways. 😅
Tedros is like what a 12 year old boy thinks a "cool bad boy" acts like
Lol
Dude Tedros seems like a big loser I'm so sorry
The difference between this show and Euphoria is that Zendaya can actually act and you can sometimes ignore the bad writing, the Weekend can’t act and it only exemplifies the bad writing
Zendaya IS an actress! wym
What is going to happen with episode 6 will it still air at a later date
Everyone on euphoria can act, zendaya was only the star in the first season, Sydney took it to another level.
@@souldiving4197 how is the idol
Hiring someone with acting experience tends to be a better decision. It's not that some singers can't act, but the weekend is not one of them.
That child rape joke floored me.who does that, honestly? Disgusting
Unfortunately, most likely a child molester. I bet they all thought they hit good with that one. Smh.
Same. My mouth fell open. How would someone laugh at that? Was the idea to laugh? Yeesh
Time stamp?
@@breeandmegs6156 just watch the video. I'm not rewatching to tell u when to watch. Lol. Gtfo.
@@breeandmegs6156 16:25
Not even Lily-Rose Depp’s cheekbones could carry this show.
😂😂😂
Lol
Oh damn, that has got to be the biggest roast to a show I've ever heard 😅
It’s okay. Depp will do another Tim Burton film and buy her a new show
Her ass can though 🥴
The nudity thing is so weird to me.
Jocelyn wants to show off her body which is fine, the problem is not everyone wants to see her body without being warned beforehand.
There's a reason flashing people is illegal, it's a form of sexual assault/harassment.
For real
Then dont watch it there is literly tags for every movie about nudity and violene
@@nqmaznachenie woooosh
@@Yasmine-mm1yc if that’s true then it shouldn’t be an exception, and I agree with you that it’s wrong
@@Yasmine-mm1yc woman walk around with their private parts showing also. It's only illegal for straight men. It should be illegal for everyone though.
If mental illness was actually sexy in the real world, everyone would have wanted me
You ok? ❤
felt this :)))
Ain't that the truth!
Damn, I've never related to this more. Also, i am so sorry
so real, also, are you doing okay? 💜
It's sad that so many good shows, especially animated shows, were cut prematurely and removed from HBOMAX and yet horrible shows like this and Velma not only stay but are being promoted heavyhandedly. Just...awful.
I have to imagine there's a couple of new executives that just really love this edgy shite that keep everything else back.
Blame the people who "hate watch" these shows, therefore boosting the ratings despite the negative reviews.
It’s all due to the direction of David Zaslav the current CEO
Don't worry, given the reports coming out of WB they will either sell themselves off piece by piece or and just start producing nothing but cheap reality shows.
Westworld 💔
The worst part was how The Weeknd acted as if everyone was gonna find him hot and attractive 😭😭 he wanted to be in capcut edits soo bad
NO BUT FRRR
He wanted to be in a "bad guy" edit so bad💀 or like, a y/n thing
He wanted to be edited in a Lana or chase Atlantic song so bad🤌
@@Taylorc0de the only song for him is put me in a movie cus it's about a predator😬😬
He wanted his own Dahmer edits😂😂😂
this show made 365 days look like it actually had a good plot
Frr the cringey “are you lost baby girl” is suddenly more creative and interesting compared to the lazy “hello angel” haha
I know
wash you mouth to talk about the masterpiece that 365 is close to this shit
As Alex said, we should all formally apologise to Edward Cullen.
I mean as silly as the Twilight movies are the cast is actually good and Rob Patinson never took himself that seriously 😭
And Christian Grey.
@@collinkeyser6827woah woah woah let's not take it that far 😂
I hate how people made that his entire character, the poor guy hated it and is actually a competent actor, even he regrets getting the role 😮💨
@@Ditto.007 I don't think he should regret it, it allowed him to get other roles that he likes more ! He is a great actor I'm sure most people agree with that.
“He’s so rapey”
“I love that about him 👅”
Said literally NO woman ever. Like who tf wrote that line and thought “omg this fucking SLAYS”
I mean women through trauma might say that but it’s weird cuz it’s written by a male
@@pde8444I literally doubt that
@@lilydamian1477 idk. I am a woman and have been w sus men due to vulnerability and have said something along those lines sometimes. Which is not good.
@@pde8444You're right, I believe I've read somewhere in psychology about that
@@xbluebirdx yeah like one time a guy said something bad and for some reason it turned me on and that’s how I realized I’m super fucked up. So it definitely is true.
Saying no means denying yourself an experience
-The Idol 2023
How far we have fallen
That's the whole point, I don't want that experience. 😢 that's why I said no.
I am glad this show is getting cancelled.
I will gladly deny myself the experience of watching this show.
@@erenssister.5535 thank god, cause the way this show is promoting trauma is just yikes…
This line and Jos saying she likes Tedros, not just in spite of, but BECAUSE he gives of a rape-y vibe was when I realized that the people behind this show are as much a mess as the actual show.
“Traumatainment” - I love that word and definitely think it needs to be in the lexicon if it isn’t already.
Its similar to "trauma porn"
“Nudity” riders aren’t just there to protect the talent. They are also in place for co stars and crew. You just can’t get naked in front of people unless they give consent. It is weird to present an intimacy coordinator as a “party pooper”. When their literal job it to make sure everyone is safe.
The crime of The Idol is that with all the background explorative stories of Miley, Kesha, Brittany and Lil Kim’s lives a corny ass CULT is the angle they choose.
Now we can see how sam Levinson views nudity coordinator
It's like when that comedian whipped it out and got cancelled. Just bc you're a women doesn't mean it's ok. You're still flashing people.
@@mukta4689nudity coordinator are never needed and not necessary
@@Hkamerica273there absolutely is a need. I bet you enjoy flashing people without their consent, you perv
@@Hkamerica273 to you. says a lot tbh. get help.
"He's so rapey. "
"I love that about him"
This is how you know that not a single woman's opinion was included while making this shitshow.
As much as I wanna agree, why would any actress agree to even deliver those lines? I think the female actors should take part of the blame too. But yeah, still equally disgusting.
The top search women make on porn sites is "rape fantasy" but let's pretend that isn't part of women's sexuality
Unfortunately there are women that have openly stated that they find it sexy, even on the news.
@@freespeechchampsusanwojcic2528exactly, don't forget their sick romantic novels like 50 shades, and how millions of women fall for serial killers.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 see, the thing is these kinds of people (because quite frankly this can happen with both sides and I've seen it happen) usually romantise it because they are (again usually, not all the time) so touch starved that they begin to think its actually ok, which is a whole other pile of unsolved mental problems that if it was physical it would be a practically a island made of garbage
and doesn't help that usually in young adult books they put in stuff like rape and abuse but "make it seem just fine" which in turn makes those people who read them become desensitised to it
I will never understand the people who think its ok if I'm honest
"Are we romanticizing mental illness?"
"Absolutely"
Honestly, the delivery of the line made me snort a lil.
It was so direct. I found it really funny.
And calling mental illness sexy is so disgusting
At least they admitted it 😂
“Mental illness is sexy!”
Until you’re weeping on the floor for spilling your drink.
Or you get overwhelmed by the big loud events by happening by your house and start screaming your head off.
Or the days when you can’t do shit cause your brain decided to be filled with fog.
Or you having a depressive episode and not cleaning your living space for two months.
Or you not having the energy to actually do basic self care like showering and brushing your teeth and hair.
I can keep going. I have loads of these
@@Grim_Sister are you ok?
Sam did a great job of showing how little he respects intimacy coordinators and how important they are to avoid consent violations.
Wow, very well said. And it's actually a very sad realization...
Not shocking given his track record with Euphoria
But breasts are just breasts. Men can be topless and women should be able to aswell. It's a sexist doubles standard. Breasts shouldn't be sexualised and censored in this way. It's oppressive
@@user-bq2ko2tb2wso a woman can go shirtless on the beach like a man?
@@user-bq2ko2tb2w I'm pretty sure quite a few people here agree but we aren't at that place in society yet. Plus it should depend on whether someone wants to show themselves nude or not as well as any other potential parties consenting to see someone nude
i feel like the show did exactly what it was trying to criticize-
It did, but that`s a lie lol they only said they wanted to criticize to get away with it and see if people fall for it, because then, if folks don`t like it they can always try to pull off the "I guess you are not smart enough to get it" card, wich fits the egotistical pretentious nature of Sam Levinson,...I mean, the guy had the audacity to claim at Cannes that this thing would be the biggest show of the summer 😂😂
@@samantharamos276I think they tried the same thing with BvS
hey hey leia said it was bad in the latest episode that means it's against that.
@@samantharamos276crying at the festival too like 😭😭
before levinson stepped in, a female director lead the show but she ended up quitting. it was supposed to be satirical and more female focused before levinson scrapped 80% of the show and made it a wannabe revenge porn. rolling stones wrote a lengthy artical on it and interviewed the staff that quit, and they said "the idol became a parody of itself" or something along those lines
Quick reminder that the female director who originally wrote this show got ousted by the weekend and replaced by Sam Levinson because it was leaning in a more "female perspective" (no shit its gonna be in a female perspective Jocelyn is the main character not Tedros Tedros)
Wtf is going on at hbo? Does Sam Levingson have blackmail on everyone or something?
I just can‘t get over the fact that his name is Tedros Tedros hahhaha it gets me every time 😂
@@MagicCardboardBoxfr cause this is ridiculous lmao
They wanted a more female perspective so they fired the female director and hired a male one?
@@MagicCardboardBox he’s a nepo baby, don’t forget that… is not only actors and models who benefit from it, the bulk of executive producers in Hollywood is full of nepotism and they’re the ones making the big decisions.
I’m blinded by the weeknds bad acting
And rat tail
My biggest flex is that I never liked the weekend as an artist and now even less as an actor 😭😭
@@suatalunathe rat tail makes me so angry at him omg. I can never forgive him for that plague he unleashed on Earth😢
@@suatalunafor real. He looked much better with short hair
@@therailfan8947 i mean i can actually tolerate/like the pineapple🍍 he had on his head but this is atrocity
him saying that jennies the best character just so that blackpink stans dont attack him is the best part lol
Which part
@@Hello-ix5qo18:40
Yeah despite her shitty acting
bro i was scrolling the comments to see if he said anything about jennie thank god bro didnt get traumatized by blinks
@@ayaanqazitrBut it’s not like he was lying. But of course, you probably prefer mr rapey and ms cheekbones
Suddenly Massimo's "are you lost baby girl?" sounds appealing 🙈😂
Underrated
To think a show managed to be worse than 356 days is true talent fr
Twilight is an absolute masterpiece now and Edward is a Greek God, Christian grey is the most handsome angel ever , massimo is a hot rich bad boy now
😂😂😂😂
"made big mistakes, you made the worst one look fine"
- olivia rodrigo
@@lumityviktuuristanartist4100I'd take Jasper's creepy a** over this rat-tail any goddamned day.
The Idol was 95% shot then The Weeknd and Sam came on board, fired the female director and rewrote the script because they said “it was too much from a female perspective”. They are both disgusting.
Wow wtf bro
Wow, no wonder it sucks. I would have liked to see the original.
Heck yeah, the way its supposed to be done 🎉
But isn't Jocelyn FEMALE ?? It's better if a woman writes it, there's no man than can understand a woman better than a woman
@@usernotfound7481
Edgy
The Weekends character acts like such a serial killer! And cult leaders shouldn’t act like serial killers, they won’t get cult members that way
Charles Manson 💀
You chose to speak facts today eiii 👏👏👏👏
literally. most cult members are more lowkey or charming and try to lure you in without you noticing it until ur too deep
@@gosick442 I don’t know much about him, but I doubt he ACTED like a serial killer. You know, all creepy and weird. A cult leader wants to lure people in, not make them hide and call the police
EXACTLY!! Real life cult who try/succeed in killing people never act like it’s their goal.
An example I recently read about was a Japanese cult(who’s name I forgot but if you look up some Japanese cults they will most likely show up.) The cult leader presented himself as other worldly and magical. He literally took a picture that looked like he could float in the air, and used it to gain followers. He claimed that he could help others reach that point as well, and it seemed pretty chill at first, probably because it started as a yoga club.(might not have been yoga, I might remember it wrong) He literally became a trusted instructor, and then slowly turned his students to his side. When he later started doing morally bad stuff, like performing dangerous human experiments, he framed it as the way to reach his level of divinity. If you survived, you were one step closer to being just like him, and if you didn’t, then you were never meant for such power. (According to the cult leader of course) of course, like any other cult, they also portrayed non-cultist as below the cult. Claiming they were less worth, and that when dooms day came, only the cult would survive. Cause you don’t just make it clear you want to hurt others, you easy people into believing hurting others is for the greater good. This cult was so good at it, they got some seriously smart scientists into the cult, and used them to start producing some really dangerous gas. They then used the gas on some of Tokyos trains, killing and hurting a lot of people. Especially cause one of the gas packages made it onto a station, and therefore hurt even more people then just those on the train. Obviously commuting theorisem means the police and the government start coming after you, and the cult leader was eventually caught. And now Japan is a lot more strict when it comes to keeping an eye on religions and cults.
If you’re interested I recommend looking into it more yourself, because I can’t tell everything with all the facts in a single comment. But it’s super interesting on how cults function. And how a leader can manipulate people. Although you need a bit of a stomach. Some stuff that went on is seriously messed up, and not for the faint of heart.
I was at a Blackpink concert last weekend and a drunk guy was literally telling everyone how amazing Jenny was in _The Idol_ and how she should have been the main character 😂
Maybe it was him
Hope someone called an ambulance and got him the help he needed lmao
Wtf
That Is Really Insane
I Am Dlying All lot
What That Drunk Guy Say Jennie Is The Main Character In Idol
Bro
I Found it Ridiculous All lot
I like blackpink but sry her acting can only work on drunk people😂
Kpoppers are running the rumor that she is gonna be nominated for an Emmy; and they are also saying that if she doesn't win it is because they "Hate her because she is pretty and not American". I wish I was joking, I worry for the future of the world with these 12 year olds.
alex being scared of kpop stans attacking him if he doesnt talk about Jennie is literally the funniest thing lmfao
They can be vicious 😂
They are the most toxic fandom. Ngl...its pretty common for that fandom to bully people/give them death threats online...even gaslight people against the one they don't like. More than half of the fandom is a red flag and you can't even say anything to them because most of them are kids. Jeez! They're basically drug addicts...and if you say anything about their habits...well you know!
Tbh there isn't anything much to say about her character bc she doesn't even appear much from what I've heard 😭
Thank god he did. Cause Jennie's not fully blamed for all the hate she's having. It's the show's fault.
You have "kdrama" in ur name.. You only care abt jennierather than the show writters and directors.. Pls get ur priorities straight
“mental illness is sexy” yeah it’s cringe as a line of dialogue but its spot on in this day and age, people do romanticise the hell out of it, this show will just encourage that though.
I think that line is a great example of them becoming the thing they were supposed to satirize. I wish they had stuck with the OG director, I think it could have been a good dark satire
That’s kinda the point they say that metal illness is sexy then don’t do anything with it like? They literally do what they were telling us the audience not to do….like….
Like Alex said, instead of being satirical, it ends up being the show's "mission statement."
“encouraging it” 💀
I feel like anyone who has uttered those words or thinks mental illness is sexy has never suffered from the indescribable anguish that is true mental illness
I find it funny that BOJACK HORSEMAN, a dark-ish animated comedy show, actual did better portraying the dark side of Hollywood than this show. Also the character Sarah-Lynn is more compelling and very tragic than the main female lead. Another far better example of the dark-side of the entertainment industry: OSHI NO KO
I love Bojack Horseman! Sarah-Lynn is such a tragic character.
Bojack Horseman is a great show! I still go back and watch few episodes from time to time.
yes please read oshi no ko, its so good
yea cause bojack horseman is atleast dark in a way that isn’t appealing for 14 y/o XD
@@pokix1215 oh God this! That's the reason twitter people hate this Cartoon lmao
I burst out laughing seeing Weeknd's goofy "scary" face. Full on giggling in the "that looks so silly" way 😭😭
to the point of how tone deaf the whole jocelyn trying to break the intimacy contract and stuff is, i think it's wild that no one in the show acknowledges how dangerous it to set a precedent that those contracts can be broken like that
Sam Levinson have a history of use plot points to talk shit about people he doesn’t like and is well known how much he fought the guys enforcing the intimacy contracts in Euphoria. And like Ryan Murphy with Glee but on steroids.
@@biazacha Ohhh what creepy shit did Ryan Murphy do on the set of Glee?
as a blink who knows how crazy the fandom can be, the last part about jennie had me rolling on the floor 😭
Most of us wish she started on a better show
@@charlottedekievit3874 totally true like she got barely any screentime and the show is bad so hopefully her future projects will allow her to showcase her talents more
I really wished she could have starred in the marvel series instead, im trying so hard to defend her choices atp, but I still love her as Jennie of BP instead of Jennie Ruby Jane, wish she could take a better series next time!
@@seraphina111
She definitely needs to build more experience first before she can go over to Marvel😭
i'm upset she's even there
I would really want to see how this show was before Sam Levinson steped in and rewrote almost all of it
im sure there are a few glimpses of it on the plot, the only good scenes like jocelyn calling for her dead mom, troye getting electrocuted and admitting to have resentment towards jocelyn, the table debate on how pain makes the best art. But it's all lost in the sea of shtty acting and horrible unnecessary scenes and writing.
definitely less s*x scenes 💀
The og team was kicked cause they’re too focused on the “female experience” for The Weekend’s taste so that says all we need to know about what could have been.
@@biazacha ...and about the man himself😬😑
4:02
"Mental illness is sexy." I cringed.
Billie eilish would approve that quote
@@michaelelohiminnocentmadia8128 Real😵
We all cringed
"Mental illness is sexy". Anyone who has seen or visited skid row: not sure about that one chief.
Pain.
An Alex Meyer’s a day keeps the depression away
Underated comment 😂
Lol
Yep. Pretty much
Yessirr
I think “An Alex Meyers a week stops thoughts ever so bleak.”
Your analysis of Jocelyn’s character being a vessel of trauma was excellent. I never realized Sam Levinson only wrote trauma, not people, until you pointed it out!!
The Weeknd fighting trolls on twitter instead of actually addressing the justified criticism of the show, including beefing with a 16 year old. He’s just ruining his entire reputation tbh and has turned into such a loser. Hugely disappointing bc I was a big fan of his. The Epstein “joke” really pushed me over the edge.
He’s always been a phony, wearing a wig. I’ve never understood how he has so many hits, and the fact he doesn’t write his own songs, just make his pop hits feel even hollower.
The show should be about him.
Imo that’s just..that’s just cruel to make a joke out of that. Children suffered and people didn’t do anything about it for a long time.
@@CorbCorbinwait he doesn't?
@CorbCorbin almost no pop singers write there songs. The only artist that actively write there songs are rappers
@@RFJ0KER "the ONLY artists" to write their own songs being rappers is one hell of a stretch lol
The comparison to twilight is ten times funnier when you consider the fact that Robert Pattinson hated Twilight and the Wkend was apparently super into all aspects of production like taking it over etc 🤣
These people really thought that Tedros and his rat tail would be the classic hot love interest. Also one of the director/producers (I'm not sure what role she had in development but it was major) was essentially fired for making the show have "a female perspective". Oh dear, a female perspective in a show with a main character who is a woman. Utterly tragic.
Wtf is going on at hbo? Does Sam Levingson have blackmail on everyone or something?
@@MagicCardboardBox just a perv honestly
Who on the set was out there thinking rat tail ponytails are cute? They need help.
The woman who was fired was the original director. About 80% of the series was completed before The Weekend essentially fired her and replaced her with Sam Levinson.
Sam levingson probably has a lot of power and is just allowed to keep going and going without any pushback, like the nickelodeon foot fetish guy and the US gymnastics team doctor. We'll probably be getting a lot more content from this egotistical "man."
"Are you lost baby angel gorl pigeon?" made me cackle, thank you Alex for brightening my morning
You know it's bad when a movie makes us look at Edward Cullen from Twilight and go "perhaps we judged you a little too harshly"
Eddie Cull was a saint compared to whatever Tedros, Hardin and Gray got goin' on frfr
What's really concerning is passing off the girl who is CLEARLY the victim of an abusive relationship for the (supposedly) real vilain of the story...
She wasn't a victim. Watch it again
There were no victims in this show. it turns out she knew he was crazy but wanted to have more trauma so she could make better music.
@@nibirueWait what? That actually happens in the show??
@@-lee-2867 Yes. The last episode showed this. It was honestly a stupid ending IMO.
@@nibirueright! I was like you mean to tell me she lied about the abuse from her mother and got off on hurting herself and the people around her? That’s sick
18:53 If the show followed through with Amy Seimetz's original vision, I think it would have a lot more to say. Huge thanks to Mr. Sam Nepo Baby Levinson and Mr. Abel Weeknd for taking over, calling it too "female-centric" even though the *main character* is female, and redoing the whole thing until the project became the worst version of itself.
At least everyone's coming together to clown on Abel Weeknd. Never should have let him cook.
they need to release Amy Seimetz's cut just for my mental health i need to know how much they ruined the original work but they probably wouldn't because they know that verson is better and they'll be more critisized for it
@@windyp0d i agree! Would love to see an actual woman’s perspective take on this , I really wish they’d give us more than 5 episodes 🫤 it felt so unfinished
Yes!! They had shot about 80% of the show when apparently The Weekend didn't like that it was "focusing on the 'female perspective'" and Levinson got in and they re-shoot most of it, turning it into a whole different show. I want to see the Amy Seimetz's cut!
Since they changed the point of view, and gave more importance to Tedros (The Weeknd), why didn't they also change the title of the series ? "The guru" or "Guru in Hollywood", instead of "The Idol" 😉. By the way, there are no clues about how Jocelyn is so famous and popular around the world ...
Na, it was going to be soft core trash no matter what.
The idol is proof that as long as you have famous people in your cast, you can get popular. I love Jennie and Lily Rose Depp but wtf 😭😭
Not really. Sam Levinson made Euphoria, and that show by itself made hbo tons of money. So they let him do whatever. The thing is that Sam Levinson had help writing euphoria, but the Idol was all him.
@@georgehernandez2156Euphoria has Zendaya in it so the point of shows getting popular because of popular actors still applies-
I'm actually pretty sure a lot of people started watching Euphoria specifically because of Zendaya, too-(?)
@@TiaTam True. The only reason I ever even thought of sitting down to watch it (I still didn't) was bc "Yay, Zendaya's getting more serious roles since K.C. Undercover!".
I've heard Jennie barely gets any lines, or screen time.
@@n4z1f4 considering how bad the show is, that's probably a blessing
As someone who has had a very severe depression that lasted for 7 years, it makes me mad that they say: “mental illness is sexy”. It isn’t 😒😣
I know that bothered me too, depression is truly awful. Sending love ❤
I hope your okay I'm going through the same thing
I’m sending you both lots of love and strength ❤️ you’re not alone in this and it will get better
Calm down snowflake
Its crazy that we need to add it to make comment valid, but sure - i also suffer from depression half of my life, doctors, medications, you name it. But because of my condition i cannot ban movies to make scripts. By the way i think you completely missed the underline message behind this "mental illness is sexy" in movie. Are people not able to think beyond the lines when they watch movies or read books? I actually think this sentence in movie as well as lot of other things which were included actually was trying to show the harsh reality media is dealing with when deciding what show to society. Yes, she was sexy, depressed and it brought money. Thats how f up is society, because boring don't sell. The movie gave as possibility to criticize our sick society, yet again we missed the point and just jump on movie and one more time are offended about something. I think this movie have deep message and most of people missed it. Nobody is able to think anymore : D
What a brilliant way to summarize a whole show: "The writing, the acting, the themes, like everything about this show is mid to stupid"
💯💯💯 🤣🤣🤣
Is it supposed to be a comedy?
@@DebNKY I don't see any comedy in this show just bad writing and acting
You can kinda tell the writers were going for a parody of Hollywood and what young women go through to become famous, but either Sam Levingson didn’t get that, or didn’t know how to execute it properly. Either way the product became what it was meant to poking fun at. The scene with the intimacy coordinator is made extra icky when you remember Sydney Sweeney had to put her foot down for season 2 of Euphoria and told Levingson she wasn’t taking her clothes off for no reason anymore, as his response seems to be “but women want to take their clothes off and intimacy coordinators are the issue!”
I vaguely remember Emilia Clarke kind of had to do the same thing for Game of Thrones and the internet kind of had a similar reaction that because she did it early on when she was unknown then they somehow figured she was making a big deal over nothing once she had the audacity to use her newfound leverage to stand up for herself.
This, and I honestly think it’s hypocritical how they want to critize the oversexualization of women in the industry while literally sexualizing a woman in the industry
The fact that this came out the same year as Oshi no Ko (covers the horrors of the idol industry and media in general in Japan) is so shocking to me. After it, even.
That show is a masterpiece compared to this
Exactly my words👌🏻
yeah everyone should just go watch Oshi no Ko instead of whatever the heck this is
(Hits The Idol a few times)
Yep. Just as I thought. Tone deaf
I actually watched an episode of oshi no ko and it was really interesting. And 10000000x better than this, by all accounts.
woah that Epstien "joke" was so sick whoever wrote that should be investigated by the FBI
Fr it was so disturbing. I wish I could unhear it
I agree. That is extra disturbing even within the context of this s**t show!
Some actors and music artists are able to cross work with both professions. The Weeknd is an example of sticking with one career or profession throughout your life.
Nah he's not even a good musician. He worked with a lot of classic french producers to make some great music, but that was because of them, not him. So many misogynistic lyrics and utter lack of self awareness. Also his later stuff is just straight up bad.
@@DhruvMongabro doesn’t know music 💀
Ok,Ik I may seem biased,but I am a long time The Weekend fan his music is pretty good,when the weekend has full on creative control,he makes sum pretty good shirt films
I gotta say, it's kind of insane how terrible Tedros' character is, because I didn't see ANY girly make any video, or post, or whatever about him. Even, the ones who were making sad edits of Evan Peters' Jeffrey Dahmer are SILENT and If I was the Weeknd I'd feel the burn.
Heck, Nathan from Euphoria got a handful of thirst edits too. He's a problematic character from a show Sam Levinson has creative control over too.
@@lactosened9178 Honestly as terrible as Nate is, he is pretty fascinating, mostly because Elordi IS a good actor and he can pull it off.
Because Dahmer is a real person
@@CuteAnimalVideos2580 that wasn't the point I was making. Plenty of people could love a character like Tedros no matter how toxic he is. Him being bad or toxic or an abuser could be compelling. But The Weeknd can't inject any charisma in his 'acting' and it makes the character look ridiculous.
true😂😂
I find it unbelievably gross that they 100% took Jeannette McCurdy’s trauma and gave it to Jocelyn because “I’m Glad My Mom Died” was so well received. This show could’ve been so good and it’s literally got people who are in the music industry in it…but it’s just not. 😒
That's a great book. I couldn't get through one episode of this.
I Wonder What Jenette Thinks Of This..
Jesus christ Jennete doesn't fucking OWN the disorder or having abusive parents wtf is up with you people
I also saw theories on TikTok that the Idol is based off of Selena Gomez
I have a friend who thinks everything The Weeknd did in this show is sexy 😭
The biggest irony about this show is that it is supposed to show the dark side of the music industry and the exploitation of Joselyn,
in other words how cruel is the management of pop stars but after watching episode 4, Joselyn management team (Chaim, Destiny, Leia) are the only characters that have good intentions and are actually likeable, even Joselyn is narcissistic sometimes.
Well since the director (a woman) was replaced because the show was too focused on "female perspective", I guess the new one (a man) didn't like the message so he changed 98% of the old script😒
Joss is more than a narc, she abused troye sivan(can't remember his character name sorry, LOL) and let leia get treated like shit. she lost all sympathy i had for her the past episodes.
@@lead6186 Agree! I tried so hard to get along with Joselyn but even with her trauma she has no right to be an a*shole to everyone
It is showing the dark side of the industry you actually have to be in the music industry to understand everything that’s going on. Exploitation of women in music is only one aspect. They explored how labels treat their artists, how someone you can trust can turn into competition, the gatekeeping of some artists, how the media portrays stories, the cult like parties and violence that goes on. I don’t think this show is for everyone to understand it
@@UncleT525 okay sam levinson.
The part about her characters non-existing personality is so true, it really made me wonder who her fans even are and how she seems to be so popular?? Like what is there to like??
She's pretty, that's probably why
@@milkyway4827 Yep, 80% of popular people are just extremely attractive and that's about it
Wait, who are we talking about
I would have been fine with The Weekends character always coming across as a little creepy and weird, because too often bad men are portrayed as “cool” and it inspires other dudes to behave like him (examples: Patrick Bateman, Tyler Durden, and Derek Vinyard) but he at least needed to have enough charisma to charm Joselyn and his followers. Like look at Charles Manson, many people who met him found him off putting, but he still had enough charm to get people to kill for him. But The Weekend’s acting is so bad I can’t buy it even for a second!
And that rat tail, Oh my gosh... It is hideous
My thoughts exactly! Abel just doesn't have the suave or charisma to pull off this role.
I can maybe see where people think Durden is cool but I'd argue going the same route with Patrick Bateman and Derek Vinyard weren't paying attention to the movie even a little bit.
Honestly i think abel should just stick to music, he's good at it. I love his songs but idk about acting. Like i feel like he was made to be a singer. He's terrible at acting lol
Same !
Euphoria is doody and in ten years we'll be asking "remember when we all thought that bad show was good? Wasn't it weird how much the show sexualized high school age characters?"
It deppendss how you view it, if you view it as a teen show, by teens for teens, then it is GOLD, but if you view it as an adult and just a smidgen think you wanna bang one or more of the Characters, then theres when we have problem 😅
Euphoria is a pedo's dream. It's a bunch of children wearing lingerie and having sex
I already say that. And drug use. Like just because it can and does happen to teens doesn’t mean we should make it look sexy and edgy for them
@@megteg not defending euphoria its trash but have you seen the show? how do you watch episode 5 in season 2 and think yess I want to end up like rue....The shows handle's rues addiction pretty well and does NOT romanticize it...There is also that scene of 3 seconds of nothing that further proves that it doesn't romanticize it, no teen watches rue OD and have such raw realistic fights with her family and thinks yeah im doing drugs, it was quite the OPPOSITE OF THAT WHEN IT WAS AIRING. It never condones drugs but rather the opposite say wtv u want abt euphoria but it does not romanticize drugs...It shows both the good and the bad
I feel like the first season was actually good and then it just went off the rails
I know damn well that the scene with Joseline and whole the nudity thing is just Sam’s way to get a free out-of-jail card from people reasonably criticizing Euphoria for sexualizing high school teenage girls.
I’m all for women using their bodies for whatever, it’s your body and you have the freedom to do what you want with it. But there is a line drawn when in regards to an underage person in terms of showing off their body, and it is so fucking funny seeing Sam trying to use the whole “Women show body cool” as an excuse for underage nudity and sex scenes.
Even if they're not underage, it's still not "empowering" at all y'all just say all this to go with the crowd. No matter how you look at it explict TV or sex work: you're STILL catering to men. Incredibly weird men and your livelihood depends on these men who merely see you as an object and would deny you abortion if you were sexually assaulted or any other rights. ight back all you want but it's the truth 🤷🏻♀️
Yup. It’s the same reason why grown men think it’s ok to sexualize underage girls because they “mature faster” but the moment you correlate this assumption to girls therefore being given all the authoritative positions over their male peers, foam comes out of their mouths in denial.
Yeah he's trying hard to manipulate people into normalising it pretending like people are just a bunch of apes
@@martas277THIS! Thank you!
also it's so stupid how she thinks they're prohibiting her from showing her body or whatever, when in reality she can do whatever she wants as long as she lets them know in advance !!!! it's so simple
What I think is interesting is that the creator of euphoria had to deal with a young female blonde actor wanting less sex scenes in season two, and then he decides to write a show where there's a hot blonde young actor who's so badly wants to show her body. It's like a parody of real life except he's made it seem like the woman was the one who wanted it and not him.
I would've NEVER expected Alex Meyers to review this show 😭
Ikr but he killed it
Same, I was so surprised when I saw it and then immediately had to drop everything to watch 😂
I saw a trailer for this show, and I thought it was some stylized thriller about a young pop star getting sucked into a cult for celebrities. Boy, I was way off. 😳 I had a much more interesting plot in my head than what we ended up getting.
SAME!!!! I too was waaaay off! I thought it was going to be parallel to pop stars careers like Britney Spears or stars like Anna Nicole…which in way it does seem parallel to their lives but this show…whew took a really dark turn & twist…disturbing and so cringe @ the same time!
they honestly couldve gone for some deep emotional type of stuff about fame and hollywood, sky is the limit and already in the weeknd's music such as in "after hours" his lyrics do touch some of this. but nah, the weeknd's yes men and that sam guy made it weird
I was thinking the same thing, and I THINK that was the original writer/directors vision, and there's some hints of that, but then the weeknd and euphoria guy took over and ruined it. Which is a real shame, because there's a lot of potential there
They could have just had Jared Leto play himself
As tedros I mean. 😂
He’s that bad?
That's what I thought too!!! Like he would've been perfect for this
@@Reese493I don't know, considering Letos reputation to go method in the dumbest and most annoying ways to everyone around him possible and him already having a cult, just seems a recipe for disaster.
@@blendedcircuit479 even if he doesn't have a cult, do we really want to encourage him?
Big props to Alex. The stuff he goes through for our sake is impressive
I firmly believe that if Amy Seimetz would have been allowed to do her vision the show would have been good
I honestly forgot she was part of the project with how much the weekend and sam Levinson get talked about
@@Bisexualdragon4042it’s sad, they literally filmed six episodes with her as the director before sam; and then scrapped it.
@@YelloHoesthose episodes should be released as an apology for whatever this show was supposed to be
They need to release the Amy Seimetz cut fr
Hold up, this was originally Amy Seimetz's??? She's the creative that Barry Levinson's kid sacked??
Watching this show feels like being gaslit. One moment you can sorta see what they want to critize. The next you wonder why the characters are doing devil tango
Exactly this. I've been trying to find a way to explain this feeling. It's like you watch a horrible, tone deaf, shallow scene but you can immediately see how the showrunners would justify it as something with a deeper meaning that we, the audience, can't fathom. But it's really just all poorly written with little subtext or subtlety, that CAN be read into (in a way the writers probably never intended)
I like that Alex's commentary dug deeper than normal, considering the audience for this show is older. Really would like to hear his real criticisms more often!
Agreed 1000000%
the fact that we have underrated, underappreciated, absolutely stunning Indie directors, actors, animators, artists, writers, and photographers
while the mainstream media is being flooded by stuff like this who mind you take hundreds of millions of dollars just to make in this day and age is just... abysmal
and I mean no shade to the actually talented people who work on this but have to conform to the whip of whatever management think will be good
*This isn't the weeknd, it's Monday morning*
I think what make the show even crazier is that the original writer wanted a story to show the real struggle of being a pop star and Sam and the weeknd was like forgot that let’s make it sexy and raunchy
Made it into a rapist's fantasy
"this show makes twilight look like a masterpiece" is my new favorite sentence. i can see sam levinson losing his shit if someone ever said this to him
"Weird dude meets boring girl and we're supposed to think he's hot" you'd be surprised how much unfortunate success this trope has... I am literally friends with a girl who loves this trope (and much, much worse tropes).
“You are without a doubt the worst show I’ve ever heard of.”
“But you have heard of me.”
😂
Hahaha captain Jack sparrow 💯W
"and that's why I'm getting a sequel"
I hadn't honestly, and I am a worse person for having learned of it lmao
If that’s a joke about Lily Rose-Depp dad being Johnny Depp that’s pure genius!
Shows like this make me really appreciate well written shows that involve trauma like sex education. Like they built stable characters who were affected and developed trauma and you see how they change. That’s how you write trauma and social commentary
Could you recommend a show that in your opinion actually doesn't it good? I'd like to watch something of value
@@Escapism888 imo, shows like I may destroy you, jessica jones, it's okay to not be okay and bojack horseman do a pretty good job.
@@rei02862 tysm! I'll definitely check them out
Bojack Horseman for sure!
@@Escapism888 And also the animation movie "Perfect Blue", that tells the story of a former idol who wants to start a new career as an actress and faces harassment and threats; and "Oshi No Ko", an anime series that tells the story of many idols and the dark side of the entertainment industry in Japan that could also apply to Hollywood
Thank you Alex for putting yourself through this so we dont have to.
And we all thought Riverdale was the bottom of the barrel💀This show is just an excuse for Sam Levinson to create his own fetishes and I can't believe HBO let him.
Weeknd songs will never be the same now
💀
I can’t see him the same anymore…
Same
no but fr.. he is never going to be able to let this character not follow him
Dude💀💀
Tedros has that 50 Shades of Grey/Twilight charisma where the plot says he is charismatic but his acting in context does not reflect it.
"um weeknd are you sure about these lines"
"i'm letting you film at my house we're using the lines i wrote!"
@@ddjsoyenbyhollering 😂 that’s exactly what it was. Also Sam n The Weeknd r buddies. So no professionalism, it was like a silly project
Remind you that he did a song for the movie 50 Shades of Grey 😂
The scene where Teddy Rose threatens the guy in the store with his soft Michael Jackson voice will never stop being funny to me and will always live rent-free in my mind.
You deserve more likes 'cause this shit was hilarious 😂 "Teddy Rose" 😂 "soft MJ voice" 🤣
Teddy rose😂😂
That was one of the best ad segues I've heard in a while. So good, I didn't even fast forward through it
18:40 perfect choice of words 😂😂 I was wondering how you’d address that without summoning an entire fandom 😆😆
Honestly it was unnecessary, he could've just ignored her existence for 20 minutes
@@nonloso7845 nahhh even ignoring her could summon the fandom …. I’m not a blink but even I would think “seriously ? R we just gonna ignore Jenny?” I mean she is half the reason why this show is famous in the first place. He can’t just not address the elephant in the room 😛😛 that’s why I was worried when I saw Alex made a video on this show….if he doesn’t mention it’s a problem if he mentions in the wrong way it’s a problem…..anyway he found the perfect answer 😙😙
HBO went from having some of the literal best shows ever made (Sopranos, Sex and the City, Succession, The Wire etc.,) to destroying themselves like Netflix but in another way! How fun.
Also I’m so disappointed to see Hank Azaria and Dan Levy is in it :/
The worst part is, they're probably still counting on Levinson and his terrible ideas
Whoever made this show should be investigated like Harvey Weinstein. Not kidding at all.
No fr how do you go from the white lotus, succession and the last of us to THIS?
and Troye Sivan?? I didn't realize it was him at first
@@notting2640 haven’t seen it, but I’ve heard great things so yup - add it!
This show sounds like the underwear versus bikini argument. True Lily Rose Depp is 24, and as an adult can take whatever role she wants, but as they do with all young female actresses, they put them in certain roles that objectify them until they hit that Hollywood wall and get discarded for the next crop of young actresses.
I love insatiable bc it doesn’t actually take itself seriously and fully commits to the ridiculousness. The idol is just very tryhard
I think we all owe Edward Cullen, Christian Grey, and Massimo from 369 days an apology. Like they don’t deserve the amount of slander. The Weekends crusty ass creep of a character deserves The Hague.
I disagree with Massimo- 😅
Imagine if Tedros, Massimo, Edward, Christian Gray, Hardin in one movies lmao ......
Abel has a good guy aura.
At least Massimo was a looker
The Barbie movies were insane.
But this... this is pure insanity straight from hell
I feel like this story would be much more effective if the driving force of the whole series was about Jocelyn spiraling after the death of her mom. Not the trauma of her mother’s death, but that moment when someone is in a new environment or something traumatic happens and they just…break free. Do reckless things. Try things they never would have done in their old controlling life. That spiral of vulnerability that impulsive control that says “screw the world, I am my own person” without any regards to self-preservation. That would at least make her relationship with Tedros more believable. It would also give the her team a more interesting dynamic: what do you do with a person who wants to change their brand while in a clear mental sabotage.
True! you make me realise we never see her breakdown, except in the music video scene. She doesn't look like someone who is having a rough time, just blank paper syndrome. If only she was an absolute mess at first and then Tedrose shows up and is the one making her go back on track _ and not by using his magic D, but actually make her follow an healthier, more productive lifestyle _ while isolating her from her team it would have been much better
This entire show felt like a fever dream
"This is how college freshmen talk".
EXACTLY!
And "Traumatainment" is the perfect term.
6:17 i honestly think it’s trash the way they want to excuse the sexualization of women by the “my body, my choice” narrative when it has nothing to do with the situation in the show and it’s only being used to show nudity with an empowerment excuse or some shit that has nothing empowering about it, it’s just contributing to the problem.
Hearing that line "mental illness is sexy" just blew my mind and I have no words. Just...why and who?!
As someone studying acting and who has done some intimacy training you are 100% right in calling out that intimacy coordinator scene... That is... Yikes. Especially given the show enjoys exploiting and fetishising abuse and trauma (including sexual abuse). I mean, talk about being tone deaf. It's also hilariously ironic considering they would've had an intimacy coordinator for much of the filming of the show.
The cover thing makes it look like a wattpad story.
12:00 i physically cringed
“As far as I can make out, ‘edgy’ occurs when middle- brow, middle-aged profiteers are looking to suck the energy-not to mention spending money-out of the quote-unquote ‘youth culture’, so they come up with this fake concept of seeming to be dangerous when every move they make is the result of market research and a corporate master plan.”
-Daria
I don't think even Daria would've seen something like "prank" tiktokers falling into that category