Saw someone say this in the chat “add another scatter shot” and honestly I agree. They made space with the fused towers so might as well add some more power🤷♂️
they need to add eagle artlilery to town hall and TH will start shooting eagle artillery bullets when any troop is placed down + TH will also have multi inferno if troops get close
I think that the hero equipmens are playing a huge role into this. As a th13 I didnt got any new offensive capacity besides the hero equipment, and with this the attacks are much more easier
Yes hero equipment did make the game alot easier. Not only making the hero stronger when attacking, but also heros defending are weaker because their base stats got nerfed.
@@xrafter yeah exactly! I've noticed it in my Lalo attacks. Getting the queen down with QC is not that mandatory anymore as you can distract her with skeleton spells/hh
To me, whenever I'm attacking now, at any TH, if I 3 star my usual reaction is "thank f**k I didn't miss" or something like that rather than any kind of celebration. The game isn't as fun when 3 stars is the expectation not an achievement.
Good Idea! Or just increase the heros health and damage to pre equipment heros, in defenses. The queen in defense deals way less dps than when attacking.
@@Crimson_992 lmao, the meta is already so easy. Spam rootriders or lavaloons while you overgrowth a third of the base. Its like attacking a th14 base while having a th16 troops. The heroes are not affected by the overgrowth, so they are the best defense right now. Giving them 1 equipment in defense would give the game more of a thinking attack rather than this spamming troops while the key defenses are locked down with overgrowth.
Revert all the TH 16 nerfs for the spell tower, scatter and give the TH new levels and we know Eagle and Monolith are also getting new levels anyway. It's not rocket science.
Idont think that a difficulty slider would be a good idea. COC esports would be in a awkward position. Other Esports don't change the difficulty of the game for the Pro scene, its the skill level of the players that sets them apart. Balancing the game is the safer play here. Not too difficult like TH15 but not this easy like TH 16.
it's really not that much harder with the old equipment. they nerfed a bunch of defenses, the new scatter shot level does less DPS than the max th15 one used to, for example. and they gave offense extra levels. even if root riders and non-old equipment were removed from the game, the hit rate would still be pretty high
Yeah NAVI are right and all other pros "its about speed not about fun" like this war all attacks were roots and valks its impressive how fast they can 3 star but its boring seeing same attack pattern 10 times supercell needs to nerf roots valks and revert drags or buff rage tower upto 50% dmg and speed maybe bring back inferno stops healing also maybe reduce/nerf hero equipment and also the costs for upgrading it navi and pro players can max out everything in few hours but the f2p players would appreciate everything else
Rage tower is on 60% dmg boost while previously is 80% if you make it to 50% it becomes a nerf instead😂, while for root valk, valk has never been a thing before root rider even the one that plays them are absolute minority tho can't see the chance valk got nerfed
Or add prototype defences like Boom beach, they can be temporarily unlocked like super troops and make them cost dark elixer + some valuable resources like 50 purple ores so that people who are pushing in legends and pro-scene can build those, and casual players who play for fun can skip those!
@@Azceus522 ok i dont remember what the dmg change was but it sould be buffed for the rage towers then if its 605 then it should go to 70 or back to 80 even or nerf roots by another like 1k hp if the valks dont get nerfed just depends if u noticed this war only 2 diff attacks was 1 electro drag and 1 lalo and rest was root spam
They have root riders and overgrowth spell, what if they add root traps. They can grab big troops and immobilize them for a little but also let them take damage
The offense became more powerful because of the new pets and all the hero equipment. Defense hardly improved with the merged defenses. Giant gauntlet and spirit fox need to be heavily nerfed. There should be somewhat of a discussion as to which pets or equipment is best, and right now there is none.
What end game? there is th17 on its way. If you want harder top bases ask for a new league and ask coc to add new defense for every player reaching the highest league that way every serious and pro players will get harder base and casual player will be able to play casual. Just because competitive players comment and spam awful in every video it's not justice for casual players. For shit sake when i was in college i didn't have the leisure and time to plan and watch tutorial and videos to learn each attack, just want to reach max and spam some attack and enjoy is what i need five minutes for two attack. Why do i need to waste hours for every attack
@@c0smanjust say you suck and want to put zero effort in and still 3 star 😂 people like you are why this game is dogshit now and on absolute baby mode .. I can’t 3 star cuz I spam e drags make it easier!! Wahhh
@@aviczie and thats not a reason to buff defenses. Since i am not getting a three star with every army. You might ask for root rider nerf if you think root rider are too op. But the best is still adding temporary op defenses for players in the top league.
I really like like the idea of a pro mode someone in the Twitch chat called it. I don't think the casual player minds this meta so much, it's the pros and folks watching the pro matches. Also if they do it and regular players choose that option for war spins they could give extra equipment loot which would help with that issue as well
i can't name one video game that does this, and i think it's for good reason. slightly modified rulesets is one thing (in counter strike, pro rounds used to be shorter than regular matchmaking rounds, but even that they standardized), but changing how the game behaves is another. pros should be the best players in the world at the game, not the best players in the world at a slightly different game. also, clash has open qualifiers, and the experience for a casual player giving open qualifiers a shot would be terrible if the game was much harder
*I recently saw a reddit post, in which the redditor said something I totally agreed with. I'll summarize:* Clash of Clans, as a mobile game, has a VERY HIGH percentage of casual players. Players who just get online for few minutes everyday for FUN. Making the whole game harder just for the sake of interesting E sports will hurt the casuals real bad. It seems thats what happened in TH15 period. So the Redditor wanted to leave the TH16 as it is. As for the competitive plays, they can create a situation where they can ban a troops or spell or a combo. That's how it is in Brawl Stars if I recall and it was called "Power League". It was meant purely for competitiveness. A same type of competitive mode can be created for COC as well to balance causals and pros.
You are dumb,if you cant 3 own as a casual then opponents are also casual they also cant 3,means you can win on % if even slightly better than a noob.Atleast then it will be a bit strategic and not boring.No game nerf this much silly excuse👎.In every game there are pros coz they spend more time in planning.Are there everyone magnus carlsen in chess? no coz he practice,do they nerf chess then?
in pro you need a pretty fast attack even if you ban certain troops others will do the job "its not always about restricting troops its about making it fun with any attack and the planning that goes behind it" like flame flingers blimps distractions min maxing not spam and 3★ in 80 seconds
It’s a strategic game, not a spam game, casual player or not you need to strategize to three star a max th 16 base, or at least it was supposed to be like this
@@r3ktsoldier8 yep exactly what i was talking about and thinking instead of just spam and 3★ in 60/80 seconds at that point its not a strategy just spell placement hero abilities and you win not fun to watch (but the coco invitationals that have fun and creative attacks are so fun to watch on the other hand even if it takes 2 mins 59 seconds to 3★ even if they 99% 1★ with the creative attack it's still fun to watch) but spam is just not it
Your videos were my daily must watch videos with my breakfast.....but since Th-16 dropped.........All the fun disappeared....and i'm barely watching Coc war videos..
It's the problem of new hero equipment. Giant gauntlet works basically same as blizzard or super archers, it wipes out an entire area easily. It not the problem of root rider. Spam yetis, super dragons, etc. are gonna work as well.
Root riders are strong tho. You don't need to struggle like other ground attacks with walls which gives RR some advantage over attacks. Also RR has more hp than pekka with lower housing space
they're already gonna add new levels to the Eagle and to the monolith, then in a future update new levels to the archer towers and cannons is inevitable... thats more than enough in my opinion...the only reason why we have this meta is because they are slow rolling out new levels for defences in different stages rather than all at once....this type of meta is only gonna be temporary, its not a big deal and at least its something new
They should start by stopping creating OP troops and stop heavily nerfing huge defenses as well. The game shouldn't get easier the more you go high in TH, quite the contrary, it needs to get harder. It's a strategy game, not a braindead spam game
Can't believe we're back to Super Drag CC. STONKS GOING UP with the buff. It's so strong if you face someone who sui's their heroes or doesn't properly lure out and deal with the CC. Also damn, STARs using root riders now after his lalo has been failing him. Hope he gets his mojo back soon.
it was fun to watch players doing queen charges and getting failed and how they recover from it but currently almost 8 out of 10 its just root riders and valk. There is nothing wrong in using this strategy but its just not fun to watch. nerfing is would be good but along with not just nerfing TO Organizers should add some rules like only 1 root rider attack per clan per war or different strategy in all 5 attacks something like that. or ban on heroes Equipment...
Maybe they should add housingspace deployedas a stat, which decides the war before time duration. Then we would still see well thought out attacks, and it might even get more strategic.
What they could do is just make the new TH lvl defenses have a sort of power spike for being max so its more difficult than the older THs since pros will always be in higher THs along with people who take the game semi serious
Supercell should just keep wars how they are for casual players and add a "prowar" function as an option for people who wanna make it more difficult. Like as an option before a war is started that increases the difficulty for more experienced players that limits the troops and spells or a increased defensive damage.
I was getting 5/10attacks 3 stars on th15 release now I'm getting 9/10 3 stars by just spamming I'm not sure if 5% buff on every def is enough..nerf on equipments and add more defencsive option morere traps, 2 more bomb tower
Honestly they should just add like 1-2% reflective damage to TH16 walls so every time RRs trample one they get 145-290 damage each (14500 being a TH16 wall's max HP)
why not an update in pro wars where theres a ban and picks of units per team, allowed or not allowed to use that way the selection of units are only limited and could give pros hard time thinking of a strategy
I liked the TH10 meta way more than the current one: you had to have a decent plan to get even a 70% two star. Now, you have to one-tap spam everything, hoping that you'll triple sufficiently fast.
@@Rikka_V1 you didn't play when th10 was the highest town hall then. there was a point in time where literally the only perfect wars were done by clans modding (cheating to simulate the attacks with traps). non-modding top clans (like onehive, actually) struggled to get more than a handful
@wi1h There is no point of talking about gameplay that early when infernos ignored healing spell. The game back then was very different. It's stupid to compare that to th 16. It's like trying to use Newtonian physics in Nuclear physics.
When they released th16 and nerfed everything claiming it was too hard for even pro players, is when i knew they were gonna make the game too easy. Th15 being as hard as it was back then was perfect for the competitive scene. They need to make th16 with the same amount of difficulty. 3 starring bases for pros should be tough and very calculated. This is a strategic game afterall.....
@Clash with Eric I think that in Townhall 15 main defences were rage Tower which had a 6 tile radius and almost 2x damage and monolith. So if supercell will increase the power of rage Tower and Monolith it can be very effective. Please reply
COC devs need to implement troop ban system in custom war similar to moba games where each team get to ban 2 or 3 heroes. This cancel out the broken troops and normal players across the game wont even get affected
I would prefer not to have a difficulty slider. That would still make pushing legend league pointless, still constantly taking like -280+ on defense at 5500 trophies, which is not the sign of a healthy meta. I think a slight buff in defense dps plus I think they should revert the rage tower change back to th15 and see where things are. I enjoyed the th15 meta. It was incredibly challenging but every 3 star attack in war/LL was earned and was so much more rewarding when you got them.
Current meta is kinda less interesting than last year esports sub 3 min close attack. But current meta also will be interesting if they slightly tune the spam for 2 min average and it will add another dynamic to esports strategy like taking extra risk for better time average and change in plan
Just wanted to add this to the whole meta discussion: only due to the addition of hero equipment, I as a th 14 can have the max. Warden duration (eternal tome). You know what im saying?
Rage tower range, buff back boost from 60% to 80%,buff back monolith damage, make eagle open at beginning of attack, inferno will have heal block, teslas attack causes chain effect, th weapon open At beginning of attack, th beam remain multi target but gain the single target inferno effect that hits harder the longer its activated, poison tower poison last thru entire battle, invis tower invisible won't effect attacking troops guess that's all what it needs to make the game challenging😂
Just my opinion it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in the game since th10 introduced and as a casual player in a casual clan trust me not everyone 3 starring in clan wars
Supercell should release the new Archer tower, new canon, new monolith, new eagle level ASAP .And just bring back the old inferno tower stats where you can't heal your troops through the inferno tower beams . Then the game will be perfectly balanced.
time for extra multi archer tower + ricochet cannon then add another inferno and scatter (maybe monolith) extra spell on offense, if needed for balance
Community: Th15 is too hard, please make it easy Supercell: *makes th16 easy* Community: Th16 is too easy, make it hard Supercell: wtf is wrong with your people? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you guys? Easy or hard, just play the game. Too broken? Quit the game
Th15 is good..i get 3 star many times....i got defence also many times...but..this time it's broken no matter how much you copy cwl base its always 3 by spamming rooot rider..base building is die...base building is also part of coc....if you are playing from 2015 you know that base building is most fun part of coc also
@@sky.1505I've been playing since 2015 and I know that base building is part of the game but what do you want me to do with this broken meta? Go to their headquarters and burn the building? I don't even have money to buy a plane ticket. You can't do anything with this broken meta
If they will do this difficulty slider you're talking about,they should make the legend league like a "ranked" mode and every threshold of trophy pushes the slider a bit also...their should be competitivity in regular coc also not only in the pro scene...i am in a master clan in cwl as a th15 and i am 3 staring a lot of th16s maxed or mearly maxed and i don't think that should be the case and that th16 should be the end game where the game gets to it's hardest
I understand pros are not happy with current meta and think it's all about spam and 3 stars, but let me remind you that this game isn't just for pro players. 90% of the game relies and generates revenue from normal players who wants game to be simple, easy and enjoyable.
Very true although i really hate that (just as an example) i had a 90% 2* on a town hall above me with a QC lalo and alot of planning, which in my opinion is already impressive, and i get scolded for not getting the 3*. While my clanmate got the 3* on a rushed th above him (so basically same level as the person) with edrag spam and they get praised for their "great" attack. Spam attacks shouldnt be the normal as it is a strategy game. I went looking in my league for what people were using for attacks, and almost everyone had edrag spam as their army. Its just sad that a spam attack is so strong in a strategy game. Makes me feel stupid for wanting to actually be strategic.
Honestly i think they should nerf the troops and buff some defences.Also add another 10 seconds to the attack. So that it gives space to think and plan also bring cautious of defences and troops.
Root riders aren't op they can die easily if you have a good base design ngl Having a Maxed healing Tome and Eternal tome helps them stay alive though Edit: imo they should reverse the nerfs they did to the th15 before the update and add a third scattershot
These tournaments are gonna be real boring and not do well since now its just about how fast you can destroy a base takes no stradegy or effort that is so boring and unexciting. Been talking to the navi players alot lately and they are saying they might quit.
I find it so pathetic that the top players say the game is too easy now but at the same time they’re using the most op spam armies that make the game easy in the first place. If they didn’t want it to be easy, they would use an army that actually takes skill. It doesn’t make sense.
This is honestly getting boring to watch. It's always the same troops. Basic ass funnel. Pick 1 troop and put everything on 1 side of the base. That's literally the game now.
Spam Navi used RR in 4 of their 5 hits, i understand, 1...2...but 4? 😂. Even Klaus Spamming. They just cant beat Tribe without all that spam. Riqirez and Jojo stayed loyal.
watching 3s over and over is getting boring quick.. players constantly maxing out at this point aren't casual players, you've put in some dedication. Learn how to play with some strategy by the time you max out... make the final town hall hard cause that's how it should be. You don't hear the people who used to complain the game was to hard defending it now, obviously majority liked the old toughness level..
I think you are right with the meta being pretty balanced between all strategies atm. The idea to increase the power of all defences is pretty good too, because on the lower townhalls like 9, 10 and 11 it is pretty much impossible to miss if you can attack half decent atm. So increasing the defensive power by 1 or 2 % for all downhalls and maybe doing a slightly bigger increase for th 16 would be a good idea. I see no problem in th 16 casual players not being able to 3 star all the time, because the motivation is even higher when you know how hard a 3 star is and everybody is really planning and fighting for 3 stars in the top clans. So maybe just increase all defences power by 1 or 2 % and buff a good selection of defences vs. all kinds of attacks for th 16 by a bigger percentage. For example scattershots, air defence, canons and wizzard towers by 5-10%. I love the game right now and all attacks feel very balanced, so that I switch between 4-6 armies that will be god against the opponents base regularly, what is a very good achievement by supercell. As you said, just the defence needs an overall buff.
this game is really messed up there is no more glory and pride in it i used to play it 7 years ago again came back 1 years now but i am loosing it again because its messed up
Stars joining the dark side of rr spam and not using lalo is really bad news for supercell😂😂😂😂
I've tried Lalo several times and have never had success. It's too slow developing.
Saw someone say this in the chat “add another scatter shot” and honestly I agree. They made space with the fused towers so might as well add some more power🤷♂️
Agreed and maybe add a way to get super wizard towers
Or just another eagle artillery lol
they need to add eagle artlilery to town hall and TH will start shooting eagle artillery bullets when any troop is placed down + TH will also have multi inferno if troops get close
@@widepeepohappy5563that is the worst idea I’ve ever heard…
Or hear me out.. rebuff the scattershot and everything else they nerfed defense wise back in th 15
I think that the hero equipmens are playing a huge role into this. As a th13 I didnt got any new offensive capacity besides the hero equipment, and with this the attacks are much more easier
Yes hero equipment did make the game alot easier. Not only making the hero stronger when attacking, but also heros defending are weaker because their base stats got nerfed.
@@xrafter yeah exactly! I've noticed it in my Lalo attacks. Getting the queen down with QC is not that mandatory anymore as you can distract her with skeleton spells/hh
To me, whenever I'm attacking now, at any TH, if I 3 star my usual reaction is "thank f**k I didn't miss" or something like that rather than any kind of celebration. The game isn't as fun when 3 stars is the expectation not an achievement.
I agree, it's okay if everyone didn't get 3 stars. It's very strange when everyone gives 3 stars
@@ЛеонТемный-д2д Yeah, to me, 3* should be the achievement, 2* should feel like the expectation and 0-1* should be the fail
Why would anybody would want to watch a pro mode matchup? People want to watch pros play the SAME GAME as they do
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i feel like navi wants us to be entertained
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Thanks man
This is what coc is supposed to be. experimenting with pets and equipments to form new strategies
Respect for you king! 👑
When you three star a base with almost a minute remaining but it seems like a fail.... with the current over the meta the offense is...
🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ right??? ahahah it looked like a fail but 3★ instead
Perfect revenge by root rider spam attack 😎😈
One way to make the defense stronger is to have one equipment per hero available in defense, that it will auto-activate like in attacks.
Good Idea! Or just increase the heros health and damage to pre equipment heros, in defenses.
The queen in defense deals way less dps than when attacking.
no way that's too op
@@Crimson_992 lmao, the meta is already so easy. Spam rootriders or lavaloons while you overgrowth a third of the base. Its like attacking a th14 base while having a th16 troops. The heroes are not affected by the overgrowth, so they are the best defense right now. Giving them 1 equipment in defense would give the game more of a thinking attack rather than this spamming troops while the key defenses are locked down with overgrowth.
Revert all the TH 16 nerfs for the spell tower, scatter and give the TH new levels and we know Eagle and Monolith are also getting new levels anyway. It's not rocket science.
Just give spell tower new levels
Nah rage was too op compared to other defenses spell
Idont think that a difficulty slider would be a good idea. COC esports would be in a awkward position. Other Esports don't change the difficulty of the game for the Pro scene, its the skill level of the players that sets them apart. Balancing the game is the safer play here. Not too difficult like TH15 but not this easy like TH 16.
The biggest reason it has become way easier is 100% the equipment that enhances each specific attack. With old equipment it would not be this easy
it's really not that much harder with the old equipment. they nerfed a bunch of defenses, the new scatter shot level does less DPS than the max th15 one used to, for example. and they gave offense extra levels. even if root riders and non-old equipment were removed from the game, the hit rate would still be pretty high
Yeah NAVI are right and all other pros "its about speed not about fun" like this war all attacks were roots and valks its impressive how fast they can 3 star but its boring seeing same attack pattern 10 times supercell needs to nerf roots valks and revert drags or buff rage tower upto 50% dmg and speed maybe bring back inferno stops healing also maybe reduce/nerf hero equipment and also the costs for upgrading it navi and pro players can max out everything in few hours but the f2p players would appreciate everything else
Rage tower is on 60% dmg boost while previously is 80% if you make it to 50% it becomes a nerf instead😂, while for root valk, valk has never been a thing before root rider even the one that plays them are absolute minority tho can't see the chance valk got nerfed
@@Azceus522its previous 100% dude
Or add prototype defences like Boom beach, they can be temporarily unlocked like super troops and make them cost dark elixer + some valuable resources like 50 purple ores so that people who are pushing in legends and pro-scene can build those, and casual players who play for fun can skip those!
@@sindhup8125 or build/unlock them with legend trophies
@@Azceus522 ok i dont remember what the dmg change was but it sould be buffed for the rage towers then if its 605 then it should go to 70 or back to 80 even or nerf roots by another like 1k hp if the valks dont get nerfed just depends if u noticed this war only 2 diff attacks was 1 electro drag and 1 lalo and rest was root spam
Defensive heroes should be able to use abilities as well, which can be activated when HP falls below 30%
They have root riders and overgrowth spell, what if they add root traps. They can grab big troops and immobilize them for a little but also let them take damage
That's basically a defensive ice golem lol
you meant the old and forgotten one FREEZ TRAP?
The offense became more powerful because of the new pets and all the hero equipment. Defense hardly improved with the merged defenses. Giant gauntlet and spirit fox need to be heavily nerfed. There should be somewhat of a discussion as to which pets or equipment is best, and right now there is none.
It's actually hard for a f2p to get a max giant gauntlet and spirit fox...as professionals they have money to do it..
And if they are not maxed they are already nerfed!
Giant gauntlet doesnt need any nerf because pro players are having too easy of a time
Just buff defenses with new levels
@@chungusultimate I think offense is in front of defense right now to an extent that requires both an offensive nerf and a defensive buff.
The problem is Defences shouldn't be nerfed and banned Root riders in tournament
Th16 is completely defenseless. This is the worst balancing to date.
I'm of the opinion that Th16 needs to be harder. Make Th15 and below easier if you have to, but Th16 is end game and should be difficult.
What end game? there is th17 on its way. If you want harder top bases ask for a new league and ask coc to add new defense for every player reaching the highest league that way every serious and pro players will get harder base and casual player will be able to play casual. Just because competitive players comment and spam awful in every video it's not justice for casual players. For shit sake when i was in college i didn't have the leisure and time to plan and watch tutorial and videos to learn each attack, just want to reach max and spam some attack and enjoy is what i need five minutes for two attack. Why do i need to waste hours for every attack
@@c0smanjust say you suck and want to put zero effort in and still 3 star 😂 people like you are why this game is dogshit now and on absolute baby mode .. I can’t 3 star cuz I spam e drags make it easier!! Wahhh
@@c0smanany base can get 3 started with root rider spam in a straight line
Playing since 2015 there is nothing like endgame in coc 😂
@@aviczie and thats not a reason to buff defenses. Since i am not getting a three star with every army. You might ask for root rider nerf if you think root rider are too op. But the best is still adding temporary op defenses for players in the top league.
I really like like the idea of a pro mode someone in the Twitch chat called it. I don't think the casual player minds this meta so much, it's the pros and folks watching the pro matches. Also if they do it and regular players choose that option for war spins they could give extra equipment loot which would help with that issue as well
i can't name one video game that does this, and i think it's for good reason. slightly modified rulesets is one thing (in counter strike, pro rounds used to be shorter than regular matchmaking rounds, but even that they standardized), but changing how the game behaves is another. pros should be the best players in the world at the game, not the best players in the world at a slightly different game. also, clash has open qualifiers, and the experience for a casual player giving open qualifiers a shot would be terrible if the game was much harder
Claus just did a maximus: "Are you not entertained?!"
*I recently saw a reddit post, in which the redditor said something I totally agreed with. I'll summarize:*
Clash of Clans, as a mobile game, has a VERY HIGH percentage of casual players. Players who just get online for few minutes everyday for FUN. Making the whole game harder just for the sake of interesting E sports will hurt the casuals real bad. It seems thats what happened in TH15 period.
So the Redditor wanted to leave the TH16 as it is.
As for the competitive plays, they can create a situation where they can ban a troops or spell or a combo. That's how it is in Brawl Stars if I recall and it was called "Power League". It was meant purely for competitiveness.
A same type of competitive mode can be created for COC as well to balance causals and pros.
You are dumb,if you cant 3 own as a casual then opponents are also casual they also cant 3,means you can win on % if even slightly better than a noob.Atleast then it will be a bit strategic and not boring.No game nerf this much silly excuse👎.In every game there are pros coz they spend more time in planning.Are there everyone magnus carlsen in chess? no coz he practice,do they nerf chess then?
Ye now they changed power league multiple times, clash royal p2w rn, brawl Stars not fun anymore coc is a bit fun
in pro you need a pretty fast attack even if you ban certain troops others will do the job "its not always about restricting troops its about making it fun with any attack and the planning that goes behind it" like flame flingers blimps distractions min maxing not spam and 3★ in 80 seconds
It’s a strategic game, not a spam game, casual player or not you need to strategize to three star a max th 16 base, or at least it was supposed to be like this
@@r3ktsoldier8 yep exactly what i was talking about and thinking instead of just spam and 3★ in 60/80 seconds at that point its not a strategy just spell placement hero abilities and you win not fun to watch (but the coco invitationals that have fun and creative attacks are so fun to watch on the other hand even if it takes 2 mins 59 seconds to 3★ even if they 99% 1★ with the creative attack it's still fun to watch) but spam is just not it
Your videos were my daily must watch videos with my breakfast.....but since Th-16 dropped.........All the fun disappeared....and i'm barely watching Coc war videos..
It's the problem of new hero equipment. Giant gauntlet works basically same as blizzard or super archers, it wipes out an entire area easily. It not the problem of root rider. Spam yetis, super dragons, etc. are gonna work as well.
Root riders are strong tho. You don't need to struggle like other ground attacks with walls which gives RR some advantage over attacks. Also RR has more hp than pekka with lower housing space
They should revert the prior nerfs for the December/October 2023 updates. Or bring back the old fashion th10 inferno towers that blocked healing.
they're already gonna add new levels to the Eagle and to the monolith, then in a future update new levels to the archer towers and cannons is inevitable... thats more than enough in my opinion...the only reason why we have this meta is because they are slow rolling out new levels for defences in different stages rather than all at once....this type of meta is only gonna be temporary, its not a big deal and at least its something new
They should start by stopping creating OP troops and stop heavily nerfing huge defenses as well. The game shouldn't get easier the more you go high in TH, quite the contrary, it needs to get harder. It's a strategy game, not a braindead spam game
Hey guys, I had an idea in mind. How about add +2 to spring traps in the next update so that matches the housing space of the RR. 🙂
Root rider still need Nerf 1000 points its too powerful for 20 housing space
Eric can you plus answer this .some people say giantgauntlent will only available for one week .is that true ?
That isn't true you can get it anytime
Can't believe we're back to Super Drag CC. STONKS GOING UP with the buff. It's so strong if you face someone who sui's their heroes or doesn't properly lure out and deal with the CC. Also damn, STARs using root riders now after his lalo has been failing him. Hope he gets his mojo back soon.
i used to think Morio was the best player suited for Navi but Pcastro really deserves more credit. This man is a power house for Navi.
Show this match to supercell before this game becomes history.
One more tornado trap would fix the problem.
it was fun to watch players doing queen charges and getting failed and how they recover from it but currently almost 8 out of 10 its just root riders and valk. There is nothing wrong in using this strategy but its just not fun to watch.
nerfing is would be good but along with not just nerfing TO Organizers should add some rules like only 1 root rider attack per clan per war or different strategy in all 5 attacks something like that. or ban on heroes Equipment...
I hate how they nerfed everything to give then new level that don't even reach the nerf lol
Maybe they should add housingspace deployedas a stat, which decides the war before time duration. Then we would still see well thought out attacks, and it might even get more strategic.
What they could do is just make the new TH lvl defenses have a sort of power spike for being max so its more difficult than the older THs since pros will always be in higher THs along with people who take the game semi serious
Supercell should just keep wars how they are for casual players and add a "prowar" function as an option for people who wanna make it more difficult. Like as an option before a war is started that increases the difficulty for more experienced players that limits the troops and spells or a increased defensive damage.
The game balance sucks
Supercell should think about the game😊
I was getting 5/10attacks 3 stars on th15 release now I'm getting 9/10 3 stars by just spamming I'm not sure if 5% buff on every def is enough..nerf on equipments and add more defencsive option morere traps, 2 more bomb tower
Honestly they should just add like 1-2% reflective damage to TH16 walls so every time RRs trample one they get 145-290 damage each (14500 being a TH16 wall's max HP)
Beliau lagi nunjukin betapa mudahnya ngeratain base pake root rider😂
Nobody knows what that jibber jabber is. Spell real words
@@Smfe614you can translate it tho
@@kenrickhk shouldn't have to do that. Just speak American so everyone can understand, ya feel me?
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I'm not sure if going from which clan misses a 3* to who can get a 3* is necessarily better
why not an update in pro wars where theres a ban and picks of units per team, allowed or not allowed to use that way the selection of units are only limited and could give pros hard time thinking of a strategy
I liked the TH10 meta way more than the current one: you had to have a decent plan to get even a 70% two star. Now, you have to one-tap spam everything, hoping that you'll triple sufficiently fast.
Th15 was the best imo
TH 10, TH 12 and TH 15 were extremely fun to play. TH 16 is lame.
Th 10-12 was all about witch slap with zapquake. Th 13, 14 was easy too. Th 15 was the only hard townhall.
@@Rikka_V1 you didn't play when th10 was the highest town hall then. there was a point in time where literally the only perfect wars were done by clans modding (cheating to simulate the attacks with traps). non-modding top clans (like onehive, actually) struggled to get more than a handful
@wi1h There is no point of talking about gameplay that early when infernos ignored healing spell. The game back then was very different. It's stupid to compare that to th 16. It's like trying to use Newtonian physics in Nuclear physics.
When they released th16 and nerfed everything claiming it was too hard for even pro players, is when i knew they were gonna make the game too easy. Th15 being as hard as it was back then was perfect for the competitive scene. They need to make th16 with the same amount of difficulty. 3 starring bases for pros should be tough and very calculated. This is a strategic game afterall.....
I agree
so coc pro scene becomes a speedrun now..
@Clash with Eric I think that in Townhall 15 main defences were rage Tower which had a 6 tile radius and almost 2x damage and monolith.
So if supercell will increase the power of rage Tower and Monolith it can be very effective.
Please reply
There we go Fire Clash League Champions "NAVI"
title is why he's my goat
*The GOAT
That's a spam 😂😂😂😂😂 send RR with heroes and blimp to the core and then some RR from the sides as every average player does.
@@hpa2361😂😂😂 that's why his HitRate is always below lot of people?
@@KaiserM3 no one cares + who asked?
they should add a new def that specifically one shots root riders n eds so no one can spam 😁😁😁🤣🤣
Best solution yet 😂
I was waiting for this match
Just revert the defence nerfs and see what happens...
That would be perfectly balanced
I think the hero equipment is what broke the meta to be all in for defense
COC devs need to implement troop ban system in custom war similar to moba games where each team get to ban 2 or 3 heroes. This cancel out the broken troops and normal players across the game wont even get affected
I would prefer not to have a difficulty slider. That would still make pushing legend league pointless, still constantly taking like -280+ on defense at 5500 trophies, which is not the sign of a healthy meta. I think a slight buff in defense dps plus I think they should revert the rage tower change back to th15 and see where things are. I enjoyed the th15 meta. It was incredibly challenging but every 3 star attack in war/LL was earned and was so much more rewarding when you got them.
Current meta is kinda less interesting than last year esports sub 3 min close attack. But current meta also will be interesting if they slightly tune the spam for 2 min average and it will add another dynamic to esports strategy like taking extra risk for better time average and change in plan
NaVi was sending a message to the Supercell, it was always sending a message.
NAVI literally just mauled Tribe Gaming by spamming Root Riders 😂😂
Just wanted to add this to the whole meta discussion: only due to the addition of hero equipment, I as a th 14 can have the max. Warden duration (eternal tome). You know what im saying?
I think the only solution in pro's th16 problem is to bring back the rage tower range. Like this if you agree
Rage tower range, buff back boost from 60% to 80%,buff back monolith damage, make eagle open at beginning of attack, inferno will have heal block, teslas attack causes chain effect, th weapon open At beginning of attack, th beam remain multi target but gain the single target inferno effect that hits harder the longer its activated, poison tower poison last thru entire battle, invis tower invisible won't effect attacking troops guess that's all what it needs to make the game challenging😂
Haven’t read the comments but my guess it’s mostly people complaining about the “meta”
Just my opinion it’s the most fun I’ve ever had in the game since th10 introduced and as a casual player in a casual clan trust me not everyone 3 starring in clan wars
Supercell should release the new Archer tower, new canon, new monolith, new eagle level ASAP .And just bring back the old inferno tower stats where you can't heal your troops through the inferno tower beams . Then the game will be perfectly balanced.
If Navi wants to win and forget their respect they will all switch to root rider and no base can stop it
salty😂. respect has nothing to do with spam. in fact navi players themselves protesting against current meta. so stfu
They buffed the hero too much, they are liiterally broken now
the craziest war i've ever seen
watching creative pro player using root rider just for time make me sad ..
its not their normal playstyle
They are just trying to win the game. Blame developers not the players
time for extra multi archer tower + ricochet cannon
then add another inferno and scatter (maybe monolith)
extra spell on offense, if needed for balance
New levels are all what u need
Great performance from Navi.that’s what I’m talking about❤️
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Eric. Lots of broplems is solved when do RR 40 side troop. If they just make more damage to deffences do you think all need just use RR from now on.
Community: Th15 is too hard, please make it easy
Supercell: *makes th16 easy*
Community: Th16 is too easy, make it hard
Supercell: wtf is wrong with your people?
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you guys? Easy or hard, just play the game. Too broken? Quit the game
Th15 is good..i get 3 star many times....i got defence also many times...but..this time it's broken no matter how much you copy cwl base its always 3 by spamming rooot rider..base building is die...base building is also part of coc....if you are playing from 2015 you know that base building is most fun part of coc also
@@sky.1505I've been playing since 2015 and I know that base building is part of the game but what do you want me to do with this broken meta? Go to their headquarters and burn the building? I don't even have money to buy a plane ticket. You can't do anything with this broken meta
@@abuasysamdzul8964 super cell already working on this solution.. update is coming soon
No one said Th 15 was hard it was perfectly balanced. Just Th 16 is too easy
@@PPPPPPPPP135 there are some players said th15 is too hard. Don't blame me, I just play either easy or hard
Are they running the warden on air to avoid the richochet cannon
Kalus doesn't spam, he is using root riders like it is a golem avalanche
What about a second tornado trap for th16
try buffing townhall with less spell effect while players are attacking
If they will do this difficulty slider you're talking about,they should make the legend league like a "ranked" mode and every threshold of trophy pushes the slider a bit also...their should be competitivity in regular coc also not only in the pro scene...i am in a master clan in cwl as a th15 and i am 3 staring a lot of th16s maxed or mearly maxed and i don't think that should be the case and that th16 should be the end game where the game gets to it's hardest
Supercell should needs to add pro mode or Hardcore mode for legend league and for competitive
I understand pros are not happy with current meta and think it's all about spam and 3 stars, but let me remind you that this game isn't just for pro players. 90% of the game relies and generates revenue from normal players who wants game to be simple, easy and enjoyable.
Very true although i really hate that (just as an example) i had a 90% 2* on a town hall above me with a QC lalo and alot of planning, which in my opinion is already impressive, and i get scolded for not getting the 3*. While my clanmate got the 3* on a rushed th above him (so basically same level as the person) with edrag spam and they get praised for their "great" attack. Spam attacks shouldnt be the normal as it is a strategy game.
I went looking in my league for what people were using for attacks, and almost everyone had edrag spam as their army. Its just sad that a spam attack is so strong in a strategy game. Makes me feel stupid for wanting to actually be strategic.
Honestly i think they should nerf the troops and buff some defences.Also add another 10 seconds to the attack. So that it gives space to think and plan also bring cautious of defences and troops.
Root riders aren't op they can die easily if you have a good base design ngl Having a Maxed healing Tome and Eternal tome helps them stay alive though
Edit: imo they should reverse the nerfs they did to the th15 before the update and add a third scattershot
I havent use RR never, my th15 dont even have those and th16 have use 1-2 som attacks as WB.
Wont use them untill they get super nerf, hate them
No one asked
These tournaments are gonna be real boring and not do well since now its just about how fast you can destroy a base takes no stradegy or effort that is so boring and unexciting. Been talking to the navi players alot lately and they are saying they might quit.
I find it so pathetic that the top players say the game is too easy now but at the same time they’re using the most op spam armies that make the game easy in the first place. If they didn’t want it to be easy, they would use an army that actually takes skill. It doesn’t make sense.
Its for time, 15-15 has became common for them, so time is the main focus now
@@fahman3422 yeah that’s true but there’s faster attacks than rr spam
@@RyanG2004 Like what? edrag spam? that is another spam lol
Maybe very good lalo can make up for it but its not guaranteed. Its just this weird meta
@@fahman3422 yeah I was mostly talking about Lalo, definitely not edrag spam 😂
Did tribe just use the same base for 3 times 😂
I think root rider and overgrowth spell should (and likely will) be nerfed. That would help.
This is honestly getting boring to watch. It's always the same troops. Basic ass funnel. Pick 1 troop and put everything on 1 side of the base. That's literally the game now.
If inferno towers reduce healing or like scatter slows units OR BOTH, these would be good buffs for defenses
Ban some equipment and limit for each troops as tournament rules, easy.
the solution is simple a 2nd nado trap
Spam Navi used RR in 4 of their 5 hits, i understand, 1...2...but 4? 😂. Even Klaus Spamming. They just cant beat Tribe without all that spam. Riqirez and Jojo stayed loyal.
Literally watching screaming saying Eric focus on the war and commentate the war don't talk about potential updates
watching 3s over and over is getting boring quick.. players constantly maxing out at this point aren't casual players, you've put in some dedication. Learn how to play with some strategy by the time you max out... make the final town hall hard cause that's how it should be. You don't hear the people who used to complain the game was to hard defending it now, obviously majority liked the old toughness level..
They're just too good bro
I think you are right with the meta being pretty balanced between all strategies atm. The idea to increase the power of all defences is pretty good too, because on the lower townhalls like 9, 10 and 11 it is pretty much impossible to miss if you can attack half decent atm. So increasing the defensive power by 1 or 2 % for all downhalls and maybe doing a slightly bigger increase for th 16 would be a good idea. I see no problem in th 16 casual players not being able to 3 star all the time, because the motivation is even higher when you know how hard a 3 star is and everybody is really planning and fighting for 3 stars in the top clans. So maybe just increase all defences power by 1 or 2 % and buff a good selection of defences vs. all kinds of attacks for th 16 by a bigger percentage. For example scattershots, air defence, canons and wizzard towers by 5-10%. I love the game right now and all attacks feel very balanced, so that I switch between 4-6 armies that will be god against the opponents base regularly, what is a very good achievement by supercell. As you said, just the defence needs an overall buff.
I am not at th16 or 15 but i miss th14 pro player attack
this game is really messed up there is no more glory and pride in it i used to play it 7 years ago again came back 1 years now but i am loosing it again because its messed up
Th16 is easy because of the hero abilities are over buff the power they more add difficult defense to harder 3 star😂😂😂😂
klaus attack 19:13
Tribe should know better than to run the same bases especially against pcastro