Sam Harris on "The Portal" with host Eric Weinstein, Ep.
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- On this episode of The Portal, Eric talks to close friend, neuroscientist, philosopher, author and meditation-guru, Sam Harris. When Sam and Eric sit down they generally agree about a large number of things. So in this experiment of a session, Eric attempts to push the relentlessly reasonable and methodical Sam out of his comfort zone to highlight their genuine differences. These include: beliefs on religion, the logic of voting for unreasonable candidates, Jeffrey Epstein's demise, the competence of the press, the ethics of immigration and more.
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Eric please release that Jeffery Epstein episode. Like so Eric can see!
2nd this. please do.
Jack M Eric mentioned he filmed a 1 hour long solo video focusing on Epstein and his interaction with him.
Alex Martos So he can “commit suicide” after? He literally just said he was threatened bro too
@@HardenJID i'd like to know more on this too.
@@HardenJID Yeah that kinda struck me as bullshit... Maybe though
I can confirm that we do not say "peoplekind" in Canada.
I'm Canadian as well, don't think I've ever heard it outside of that video.
Nevertheless we voted the hypocritical clown back in
Cuckada
"Peoplekind" is fine but don't dare say "you people".
@Scott A single video doesn't represent what langage people actually use
I am an EE, 55 year old, averaging out in the center politically, and near hopeless in my desire to hear intelligent, true, unbiased discourse. I have a deep love of this country - right or wrong - and am thankful for that love. This is my third and favorite viewing of your channel video so far - all today. This for me is like a drink of cold water after an all day walk through the desert.
This is what I expect a good comment to be like.
Young Mr. Wade - I totally agree with you. I was starting to think common sense and truth were on vacation. Or that Atlas Actually Shrugged!!
@@shaggyfeng9110 Agreed!
@@janekocorek3313 Haha! Well said.
that should worry you , brian
Disagreements without aggression so refreshing to hear.
And cogent steelman arguments that seek to bridge the didactic to a new synthesis.
@@mikemcfarthing3499 Exactly their not trying to score points, they rather put their ideas out and instead of finding flaws to make the other feel stupid. It's about filling in gaps since one person can't have all the answers by themselves.
@@dcworld4349 It's a sign of low ego / high confidence.
Shows like this have ruined me for debates. Now when I watch a debate I'm like "Come on, you know that's not what your opponent meant. You're straw-manning the argument to win cheap points with the uneducated and those who are blinded by bias!"
My admiration for sure is disagreement with co-operation to find common ground without aggression is the most profitable debates. Thanks for showing those who are wise to learn how this can be done. Works in marriages too.
This makes me realise how starved I am for real dialogue.
Let's engage in some Daniela. What is your feeling on the current progress of mankind and what actions need to be taken to either correct errors you deem hindering progress or that can be implemented to assist in it?
Frontline used to come close to this. Look at those Frontline episode with William F Buckley interviewing Chomsky.
Plop. India is a bloated 1400 million, almost all utterly destitute. Africa is set to become over 4000 million mostly subsisting and starving people. Well done the West, without which interference none of that could have been possible
Plop
@Bodhi Sattva , yes, as soon as people like you stop vomiting babies into life regardless of consequences
Image living in a time when you can listen to two geniuses have a 2.5 hour conversation for free.
Oh you poor simpleton. You must have voted for trump.
Stephen Leyden Awh you’re adorable.
Ben, did you come to see if anyone had replied to you. Only to find the answer was no.
So the best you could do was reply to my comment that only demonstrated how patronizing and stupid u are. Dude, you dont REALLY find these guys intelligent do u. There are professional rightwing ruling class stooges, but given u believe in the RULING CLASS PROPAGANDA, you cant understand that.
Stephen Leyden you’re so cute.
Cute and adorable. Really, thats the best a little mean girl can do.
No ideas and clearly no intelligence
"The true monsters like Pandemic..." -Sam Harris, Dec 2019
16:05 Well, Guess Eric now knows as I'm sitting here watching this as the U.S. falls apart from a pandemic it completely failed to take serious until it was to late
I was drinking coffee; spit-take, clean, rewind, head down to comment section, see your comment, "ahh, yup." , Nostraharris saw the portents in the sky and gave his warning to the masses...
33:52 it’s called cognitive dissonance
@@bansjoslave2 hahahahahah NOSTRAHARRIS 🙌
@@antonettprado412 😂😂😂
Loving this guy, Eric. He goes on offense in a way that doesn't cause prickliness or meanness. Such a special gem.
Most people seem to get caught up in being offensive for the sake of it and forget that it is an avenue to solve problems. Both Sam and Eric are great 'cause they know how to stay focused and on track and not get lost in arguments.
If you like, Sam has lots of great podcast episodes and talks on youtube. It is quite the hallmark of Sam's style that he is able to have tough but calm/amiable conversations.
@@howardhavardramberg333 I dunno. Sam gets off into the weeds a lot on some tangent he just cannot let go of. To such an extent he has to talk about how dishonest he thought his guest was, in a later podcast.
@@codediporpal that's pretty rare that he does that, like a very small percentage of the time. They get outsized coverage for obvious reasons....Ezra Klein, Ben Affleck, etc get the most attention. But the vast majority of his pods or convos... Even with people he disagrees with.... He doesn't question their integrity or intentions.
Sam Harris is one of my Hallmark idols. Great philosopher, great writer, great atheist/secular spokesman. All with an interesting background in meditation making his ideas particularly distinct from others.
Polymath is selling you short, an insane empathy and rational insight and humble knowing makes Eric one of the most balanced and important speakers of our time . Eric, as a young ‘millennial’ living in Egypt, damn if I didn’t say you have a major fan base in the most unexpected of places. Best regards
😎☘️💖🎂🌞🎊
Sam Seder is the best and there is a reason why these two fools never debate.
I would be more than happy if Eric decided to work through a concept by himself for a podcast episode
It helps to have a sounding board. Maybe have some no-name audience insertion schlub who can ask clarifying questions.
Of course, Larry Kings are in tragically short supply.
I doubt that would work at all, as much as I like Eric
I have been looking forward to having a place to discuss ideas that Eric brings up in his interviews - a reddit or discussion board where we could have long form discussions and he might decide to participate would be good enough.
@WildSandwich Yes, Ever since I listened to him on Joe Rogan I grow more and more captivated and excited by the ideas he discusses through his point of view. It is as if FINALLY someone publicly exposes a level of understanding in a mode of thinking that I have not yet seen anywhere else and i like it very much.
Eric is the real guest on these
I would swap my angel and devil on my shoulders with Sam Harris and Eric Weinstein
Really, this comment deserved repetition?
Colonizer: Plant or animal that inhabits an area You remembered!! I’m flattered;)
Ser Aeggo Butterworth One would be a devil and the other would be his advocate
That is a horrible idea.
@Ser Aeggo Butterworth, how dare you (he gasped in stolen dream + childhood)?!
I have just discovered Eric Weinstein, watching an episode of Joe Rogan.
Weinstein is a brilliant man, critical thinker, and courageous as hell to call out the establishment the way his does.
I'm sure he infuriates many but what Eric says, at its very essence, is what went wrong with the modern world and a scary prognosis of where we are going.
Mostly I think his assertions about "what went wrong with our country" is nonsense. I also dont find it particularly courageous, considering there are millions who say the same thing.
@@SolidSiren
Ok, you are correct and I change my mind.
Eric Wienstein's arguements and beliefs are "nonsense" and millions of people say the same thing.
I guess I will start watching CNC like you and believe in the establishment.
Good luck with that.
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@@phantom5573 Watch Tucker Carlson
@@yj9032 I do
"There is a kind of madness that you have to invite to break new ground. And there is a kind of sanity that you have to invite to wrestle with the madness" 1:42:15
He is probably familiar with the Aristotle quote: “No great mind has ever existed without a touch of madness.”
WOW! perfect!
Hope to see Johnathan Haidt on here one day..
most likely
Would be incredible, Sam is quite underwhelming
I mean most of the guests are from within their ethnic group so naturally why not? Gatekeepers gonna keep
Spencer AM why you gotta do that. Come on, be better
well, 'flopy', if THAT is so - what in the world do you think are you doing here (voluntarily lol), then...."saving us"?
oh, right...just "studying up the enemy" in service of The Resistance, mmm-hmmm... kool stawry brah
Sam: "you got your wife and now you wanna close the border"?
Eric: "yeah!"
we have reached peak portal ladies and gentlemen
Well did she enter legally, and go through a huge process? Or did she run across the border for the benefit of drug cartels and human trafficking? If I ask a typical liberal "what is the difference", they will say raaaaacism, and that is incorrect. Politically there has been a high price to pay for getting the answer wrong ... at least in places that have to work with the government but not for the government.
@@bourbonchicken /woosh
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a female.....shit...i mean someone I perceive to be female! whew, close one, Eric.
Every time I feel close to understanding Eric's stance on immigration and H1B visas, he switches topics. I feel like he has a shorthand with a lot of his guests that we're not privy to and he feels like he doesn't need to expand on his thoughts because he's discussed it in depth with his guests over cocktails already, but I'd love to hear him lay out his case to someone (the audience) who may not already be familiar with his positions.
I rather got the feeling that he would have loved to dig deeper but sam wouldn't let him for he had to blurt out every counter-thought or association that sprang to his mind.
Lloyd2112DT its actually one of the only things I really dislike about Eric. I think he’s a really bright guy and has interesting opinions but I think there is a serious downside to speaking with this much analogy and metaphor in your dialogue with someone.
I believe Eric is wise enough to fear the possibility of serious repercussions based on the increasingly barbaric treatment of public figures whose opinions fall outside the zeitgeist. He should be wary of having an example made of him should authoritarianism continue to gain territory in the media and academia.
@@LostEntradista exactly
@@LostEntradista Yeah. Maybe we need a "Portal Basics" series to bring us up to speed with some of his guests.
To everyone wanting to hear Eric Weistein talk about Jeffrey Epstein, he just released said video on his RUclips channel.
Thank you! 🙂
And it is so good -
This is the most sophisticated conversation about twitter beefs I've ever heard.
Hahah it might very well be. And in another arena of entertainment/informative things like this podcast, I say that the line from one of Dave Chappelle’s recent Netflix stand-up specials in which he referred to the exchange between (I don’t want to misspell his name) North Korea’s leader as “rap battles” mocking in particular the (although this particular line wasn’t said in one of his inane Twitter tweets, if I remember correctly) “Fire and fury” comment. It captured my thoughts that I would be quite furious if I - a 29 year old with my whole life and 4 Avatar sequels ahead of me - were to die in the Doomsday Machine (the term coined by, if memory serves, Steven Pinker, to refer to way to the way the nuclear powers of the world have their defensive and offensive systems set up in such a way that if a nuke goes off from any country to another, the before mentioned systems will essentially almost completely automatically start launching nukes in such force that it would be a extinction-level event that Pinker calls the “doomsday machine” that we have constructed) being activated because of Tweets between Donald Trump and North Korea’s leader. At least have it go down on Reddit, if it has to happen in such an awesomely stupid game of chicken Trump played with North Korea considering that they had just built a thermonuclear weapon - whilst until the moment that it was discovered they had it (a discovery that was made initially by Japanese seismologists , not any military or intelligence agency or private contractor that constitutes the U.S. and it’s allies massive apparatus that should’ve been able to detect it) - we treated the North Korean nuke development program as a joke (at least publicly) - and Trump continues to do so. Yet I digress for the rant.
@@josephpereira6754 I'm honestly not trolling. It could truly be me but you lost me about half way through your comment. Tried twice but thanks all the same.
Lol yes they basically hate woke fascism and the reaction to it by the right.
two morons wasting valuable oxygen
oh it full of shit
Sam notes how the Las Vegas shooting was consigned to the Memory Hole, and finds that mysterious.
There's really no mystery.
Hint: Mass murder of the political and racial demographic at a *country western* concert does not fit The Narrative.
Eric: Strategic Silence - he gets it a little.
Oy vey, actually speaking up for ethnic Europeans seems a little hard for this bunch
@Paulie’s Walnutz very nice call! High five!
Eric is gifting us with two episodes in one week 😊
Watching this for the first time in mid 2023, we’ve had 2+ years of Biden’s presidency and Sam is still fixated on Trump. Hindsight being 20/20, yes Sam you do suffer from TDS.
Im so early that this video hasn’t even been taken down again, yet.
Were the other ones taken down?
Be Re it’s really just a joke, because this video was uploaded yesterday, a little after the Julie Lindahl interview-but then it was taken down.
@@facesmelt9903
Are you shittin me? Wow.
Matthew Horizon I don’t mean to imply it was taken down under untoward circumstances. I think Eric or whoever manages the RUclips channel felt best to hold off on its release-likely since it was just too soon after the previous release.
@@facesmelt9903 oh, gotcha
I like that all I need do is listen to this podcast multiple times and I could increase my vocabulary 50 fold.
Sam showed such courage to follow his logic regarding free will and he is a great inspiration and one of a dozen people that has caused me to sit up and smile for his intelligence....but ERIC WEINSTEIN is not afraid to seek the truth and when these intellects meet I am finding myself somewhat taking aback that Sam seems unable to adjust his beliefs in real time and take advantage of sitting with a teacher. I'd be honored to reach a level to be invited to this man's company. The things he doesn't know are the things I do not know and the things I have found he has found to an astonishingly more studied degree. I can't say enough about how in awe I am of his courage to see things for what they are, as free from bias as I have witnessed and without the need to delude. Eric, I just now discovered you, man. How have I just now? My goodness, I wish I had people to share this too that could understand you. I want to shout, "See?", "Do you see?", "Here is one that knows better than I that can lend me credability!" Nice to meet your presence indeed. Damn, I am beside myself.
Canadian here: No, I don't say people-kind. I'd rather call people by their names. I'd rather hire based on skill set.
Internet in 2019: For any given job on the planet, the most qualified person is a white man. Everyone else is just a diversity hire or cheap labor.
@@pcpolice2314 Internet 2019, how can I turn being offended into a career.
@@pcpolice2314 except that isn't true
Eric “my good friend” Weinstein
Eric "has now become subject of Joe Rogan memes" Weinstein
Bob “that’s exactly right” Dole
Eric and Sam "we don't like he said she said" discussion.....while we have a gossipy empty discussion whining about people on twitter. These people are empty whiners.
The memes can stop, have some free thought
@@elrud5964 Memes are free thought - just not yours. Narcissist.
54 minutes in I still have no clue what they're talking about.
sigh. sometimes i cant keep up/attention.
You have to keep listening to them. It will click eventually. Unless your comment had a touch of sarcasm
@@kiethj7 no sarcasm.
@@ripparoo823 No, I didn't listen before leaving comment. That was my mistake. He is right. They make no sense by going into deep analogies. They often stray far from their original thoughts by trying to one up each other examples.
@@kiethj7 i think weinstein is kind of incoherent in general when it comes to politics
Bravo Eric!!! The Portal is truly starting to form and present us with some of the most important conversations of our times. I have the deepest love and gratitude for the work you're doing here 🙏
Eric Weinstein is one of my favorite heros. I'm so glad he has a podcast(I'm so late, I just found out)👏👏👏👏👏
Watch the ep with Bret yet?
At first, I was upset that Sam wasn’t getting on the same level as Eric but, then it became clear that he is the perfect straight man to reflect society’s consumer mindset and facilitate Eric’s tries to flesh out boomers “globalization” psych job. Unfortunately analysis of the how isnt as critical as the results. Surveillance state, student debt, H1B visa wage deflation, govt debt, academic capture of pharma/medicine, etc. Thank you Eric! You are on it!
So excited for the new proposed format Eric. It'd be so great to watch you walk through your thought process and explore interesting topics that way.
I love the back and forth in this episode. So much disagreement and areas that provoke internal exploration. Also nice to see Sam smile. Thanks, Eric and Sam!
Podcast Vocabulary Word of the Day - "insouciant" - showing a casual lack of concern; indifferent.
First and best encountered in 'A Confederacy of Dunces'...the title which describes perfectly our current political administration.
@@marils8452 Would you care to elaborate? I'm interested to see the why's and how's of how you have come to the conclusion as true
@@mrsmith4435 Here in the RUclips comment section?
@@mrsmith4435 The leader of the free world watches tv and plays golf in-between twitter rants. He doesn't read and isn't interested in learning about things he needs to know. Hows that for a start?
Also: "diaphanous" - characterized by such fineness of texture as to permit seeing through (merriam-webster)
You're building quite the Klein Bottle collection, Eric. Thanks for another amazing episode!
Glad the video version exists. I listened to the audio version more than once.
I want to hear more about the learning that Eric went through. It sounds fascinating and incredibly useful; who knows to what extent any of us are "blocked". Please do talk about this!
Hitchens said he only bothered to read the NYT so he would know what everyone else thought the news was. Seems like Harris would've been dissuaded from his confidence in the NYT merely by Hitchen's skepticism.
Hitchens also rightly said Charles Murray was a quack. Harris is a poser.
Nyt is propaganda
Sam seems to almost go into gridlock during Eric's labour market access bit.
He appears still very ensconced in the neoliberal consensus.
Sam is firmly entrenched in both neoliberal economics and neoliberal foreign policy, unfortunately. He's kind of like a left-leaning, atheist Ben Shapiro.
To Sams comment on “peoplekind” - no, it’s not a phrase used by Canadians, Trudeau may have been the first one to ever utter that phrase.
As smart as Harris is, he is incredibly naive when it comes to politics. Eric is a beacon of light when it comes to see how open minds work.
Can you elaborattttte pls
@@creayt He voted for Clinton? His thoughts on jihadis. His disagreements with Chomsky, Greenwald, Hedges. He is out of his depth with them. Still like Sam however and always worth a listen.
I love that he added "medtiation guru" to the list :D Because that is what Sam is to me and in my opinion the most amazing and admirable thing he's doing.
@@jfreeman3978 lol
I must also state that Sams ability to converse positively and adjust positions held dearly or not is admirable and from what I can tell is the only model for real progress. Love learning from you guys. Thank you for discussions like this we can all learn from
This aged poorly.
I find one of the most profound statements in the past few years came from Dr. Jordan Peterson. He said "you can't have rank ordering without losers" (exact quote may vary), or rather that having losers is inevitable because you can't have a hierarchy without having objects above or below, or before or after other objects. If people are allowed to have preferences, rank ordering is a direct by-product. Dr. Peterson said this on one of his Joe Rogan podcasts.
Interesting assortment of bongs on Weinstein's end table...
They are known as Kleinbongs.
@@nmchdmcb2366 ;-)
bokangleach lol yes I did a double take
Klein vessels breh, higher dimensional objects expressed in 3 dimensions.
Similar to a Möbius strip
Hey Eric, you and Yanis Varofakus, the greek financial minister would be a great chat to hear.
I don't understand why people outside of Greece admire this guy so much. He has been proven to be a clown. At some point, even Cyprus' financial minister had said that he didn't understand what Greece (via varoufakis) wanted. Imagine Cyprus being against Greece. Varoufakis is a commie clown
@@antikokalis Nothing you said takes away that it can be a great chat to hear. Just like hearing Eric and Trump having a conversation would be a great conversation. Even if the majority think he is a clown.
If someone would've told me in 2016 that between Glen Greenwald & Sam Harris, Glen would be the fair and reasonable one regarding the Trump administration, I would've assumed they were crazy.
I don't know what it is exactly but i think there were a few topics you guys went into that really cried out for more exploration, and then you jumped to another topic. Great chat otherwise!
So agree, this podcast could've lasted for 5 hours and I'd stay listening.
Glad I'm not the only one. I was on the edge of my seat a few times, but they kept up with the staccato of segues and lost the points.
Agreed. I wanted to get to the bottom of the disagreements. Never got there. Blue balls!
Agreed. .I'm about a third of the way through....and this is certainly interesting.
I mainly came via a respect of Sam....but I'm familiar with Eric and have watched him in quite a few formats.
But at this point in the podcast...I'm feeling a bit odd about it all. There seem to be quite a few instances where Eric will say something or tacitly imply something that is.....objectively fucking nuts. But he'll do it subtly; 90% of what he says is totally legit and well thought out and intelligent and ethical and rational. But then he'll say something that makes you question _all_ of that. Sam tries to grin through it and push back when necessary with seemingly intentional kid-gloves...almost out of sympathy(?) But it's pretty hard not to notice. Weird fucking podcast.... But I still absolutely appreciate it. It's more interesting than 99% of what's out there.
avedic - If you think Sam was holding back in this podcast go listen to his recent sit down with Bret on the topic of free will and determinism. Was almost painful to listen to. Pretty simple ideas to grasp and Bret’s emotional attachment to Darwinism and Randomness wouldn’t allow for the conversation to go where it should have.
Dear Eric. The biggest problem of our times is the following: we all know that we are going on the wrong road and the further we go the more difficult is to go back to take the right one. And because it’s so difficult and so painful to everyone in the short run to go back, we all prefer to pretend and emend little things as we keep going. but nothing is longer really believed or sacred. It’s like we are living a big lie and no one has the courage or power to stop it. In our subconscious we know what could unify us and give a meaning to the journey, but the designed system is not designed for big changes. We all see the wall in witch we will colide but not one will talk about it. We don’t need to suffer in order to change. Please give me your thoughts about this. Thanks for your time. Eurico
I would love to witness conversations between these two (and others like them) breathe over the course of a few days. Let's expand on the long-form discussions even further. Just slap some microphones on these guys, set them up in a cabin for 3 days, get some cameras, supply them with the required nourishments, definitely some alcohol, and have some editors cut the downtime to reveal a growth of conversation we won't experience outside of our own personal experiences. Hearing these guys on the 'cutting in line' metaphor convinces me to trust them on an honest budget if they required viewer sponsorship to make this happen!
That unreleased Epstein episode is such a tease. I hope it gets released.
@Neil Mo It was found hanging from bed sheets.
If Weinstein's right, it might be dangerous.
Steins talking about steins, I'm sure we'll get some real critical insights
I dont want him to get Epsteined
Watching this in June 2020. Eric says about Trump [paraphrased], "I'm worried about having Trump there to handle a 5 alarm fire should one erupt."
Low iq progressive pleb it’s not as bad as the abortionist and Marxist and post modernist
How about the call by Sam Harris at 12:10 - "The true monsters of war, pandemics" - This was like in 2019. We were all dumb to the fact that this shit that is happening could happen. Fuck.
Benjamin Smith --I believe they were both aware something was on the horizon, and there was.
@@mattpagel2328 Why are you even watching Eric then, who is a progressive who hates Trump?
Tom Ogburn Freedom of choice pleb. We still have this for now... it fleeting. Eric is an intellectual might and I highly enjoy his perspectives as they tend to appreciate less radical movements.
"My head is so filled with malware” is my takeaway from this conversation.
Bloatware*
"TDS." I accept that syndrome with pride. Trump IS terribly deranged, and normal folk SHOULD react adversely to America having a lying psychopath for President.
What Trump supporters forget is how many folk with TDS showed up at the polls for mid term elections, and in states like Kentucky, Louisiana and Virginia after that. And there's nothing better than a good case of TDS to bring people to the voting booth come November.
Having a healthy case of TDS is a good thing. It's a badge of honor and normalcy.
Rebel Justice people who allow their psyche to be disturbed on that level by anyone need to reassess their priorities for the good of their own mental health.
Tim Frink Sorry, I disagree. That's just being apathetic. That's what our current President is counting on. I'm not buying the gaslight.
Rebel Justice you’re entitled to your own opinion, but don’t let your biases make you less objective.
This is the most I've ever seen Sam Harris laugh. Refreshing.
Listen to his podcast with his wife #159 on his show "Making Sense". They laugh a lot and it's interesting to hear how the conversation flows with him and his wife.
Could this change be due to his recent return to psychedelics?
I'm only 7 minutes in and I was thinking the exact same thing.
Listen to Sam's podcast with Douglass Murray. Murray goes off on a rant that has Sam nearly crying with laughter.
Because it's not Sam Harris.... try Ben stiller.
This was just fantastic. I really hope to see Eric & Sam do another get together soon.
And still waiting
Every single time I listen to Sam Harris on a podcast that isn't his own I have to google at least a few words
Yeah I think on the episode of Sam's show where he has Eric on, Eric credits him with having a larger vocabulary. That does seem to be the case lol
diaphanous
1: characterized by such fineness of texture as to permit seeing throughdiaphanous fabricsa diaphanous curtain
2: characterized by extreme delicacy of form : ETHEREALpainted diaphanous landscapes
3: INSUBSTANTIAL, VAGUEhad only a diaphanous hope of success
Finally, the podcast with Sam Harris !!Also, I want that 24-cell on the desk on the left of Eric.
Such a fun and educational conversation! I loved the softening and gentleness that entered in about an hour and a half in. I hope these two can talk together again soon ..
"Civility is overrated."
- Christopher Hitchens
1:35:33
PC politics is fascism masking as good manners
"DIplomacy is hypocrisy". My father.
I think the most important thing Hitch pursued was clarity and exposing false authority of points of view. Too many things were not questioned that needed questioned in there falsity. He was called a contrarian, he was a skeptic righteously. Thx Hitch, belatedly. Thx for the example and flair whilst accomplishing it.
Southern Poverty Law Center has a 136.3 million dollar budget. What a waste of money
I appreciate Sam's perspective because it raises the exact topics we need to talk about. He is naive, but that is the whole crux of why and how these crimes are allowed to continue.
This is the most outwardly aggressive I've ever seen these guys get.
It's refreshing, kinda humanizes people this brilliant to see ego peek up here and there 😆
Yet still civil
Those 2 decanters remind me of MC Escher. Thank you, I just spent an hour looking at Klein bottles and learning about the 4th dimension. I then took a trip and returned as a mirror image of myself.
Was this back before Eric had worked out how to have a 2-way conversation without interrupting his guests?
Yeah he forgot he wasn't the guest, here.
I’m a capitalist loving conservative but I really respect and enjoy Eric Weinstein’s views.
You a broke boi
Same here James he’s great. Wonder if he’ll vote Biden
I like the color red but sometimes I don't
Progressive Democrat here and think we need more open minded conservatives like you in this country. Kudos
I'll be honest, I'm ~70 minutes in and I have no idea, for the most part, what Weinstein is talking about. I tried to digest his interview with Tom Bilyeu a few days ago and had a similar feeling. Minute to minute I can kind of follow what's being said, but on the whole it's damn near gibberish to me. The language used seems almost exclusively abstract metaphor, analogy, or in reference to situations that I have no knowledge about. Now, clearly, with so many people fawning over Eric Weinstein I'm sure there's something there, I just don't know what it is. If anyone can recommend something of Eric's that's more concrete and easier to digest, please let me know.
Well surprisingly I think I can answer. I myself can easily understand and find it curiously interesting and refreshing. He seems to be speaking at a certain level that completely acknowledges where it's at and the others who are here as well and stays at that level without having to diminish the depth and character of the conversation. He's saying we need to talk about this for those who are capable and we don't have time to hold any hands, so one needs to take some responsibility and get their self to a level to be able to comprehend such topics. Which could only be taken negatively if one wasn't aware of the difficulty of communicating higher ideas to a mass population the redundant time consumption and limitations on effect. Just means you got to put a little more time and effort into studying maybe philosophy and The human condition and how it came to be today. You can do it, but it's not a simple venture.
Language is not concrete what you learn about it in school are mostly lies or vague generalizations. Language is a living breathing entity that grows with many levels many different possible interpretations depending on simple context changes. Entire stories can tell multiple different stories even being told the exact same way just depending on a slight change of the readers perspective.
Agreed. Sam articulates his arguments and stances in a clear and coherent manner that I very rarely manage to misinterpret. Eric however likes to litter his speech with abstract ideas and metaphors.
At one point during this interview he claims to completely disagree with Sam about a topic regarding "Trump" and then proceeds to give the most incoherent response as to why without even really giving a good counter-point.
No doubt Eric is a smart guy but I think hes suffering from being able to translate whats going on in his head into coherent speech, its like he takes any subject at hand and makes it as difficult to discuss as a psychedelic experience.
I think one problem is these two are friends, and both are brilliant. Watch the stuff he does with more down to earth individuals that he doesn't seem to have as much of a coded language with first. Example: he was on Joe Rogans podcast a couple of times. Those are worth watching to help you understand how he thinks. In addition he did a Ben Shapiro podcast with Jordan Peterson that was eye opening to me. Joe is great at getting them to break down complex topics, JP talks at the same level and Ben understands optics to help bring things back as well.
Jake I acknowledge your point of view and respect your opinion. Though I believe you are only looking at it from your point of view, which I acknowledge may be your only option. As gogoxxx stated you might be more comfortable listening to him on the Joe Rogan podcast. Jake for "Sam" the reason you understand better because he shares more closely a similar perspective, I have spent much time putting others point of view into that of my own to help understand where others misinterpret things. It's just that Eric is speaking at a much higher intellectual level then most people are able to comprehend has to do with his whole idea of the "portal" which if you are not familiar with or have not experienced on your own this will sound completely alien to you along with most of what he says. But it's a very common experience that is very difficult to communicate to people who have not experienced it.
Eric, your message is reaching the Southern tip of Africa. And it is extremely refreshing. #thesystemmustfall
Which system must fall?
I am amazed that Eric's head doesn't explode by the amount of intelligence it contains. I am of opinion that Eric can connect anything to anything by virtue of finding connections which nobody else is capable of finding.
How does that Weinstein taint taste?
I love Eric Weinstein but you have to admit he looks a lot like Fred Flintstone
@M.V Brown an aged frodo with psoriasis
Like a TV star!
That's who it is!
😂😂😂😂 I was very Sirius listening to this podcast until I came to your comment I just cracked up
Fred Flintstein
The crucial point of this entire conversation resides on one person who tends to dwell in ideology-based thinking versus another person who dispels the rosy patina to get into viability and practicality of ideals and perspectives. Harris has a long way to go to play equally in Weinstein’s realm. It isn’t simply a matter of intelligence, it’s the degree of clarity that only unbiased honesty can produce.
Agreed I feel like Trump is Harris' Achilles heel in this area. Harris is typically honest and unbiased but his hatred for Trump , justifiable or not, clouds his better judgement.
Harris is stuck over on the ‘ought’ side of the is/ought divide.
Sam's point about SPLC is exactly what happens when the government creates a new federal body. Its not in its own interest to go away.
Would absolutely love to hear a conversation between Eric and Donald Hoffman!
This interview is epic - im 38 mins into it, it was recorded in december last year, and already Sam and Eric have referenced the problems of pandemics and racial issues spiralling. Wow.
Eric Weinstein is awesome, and I know he's new to the interview space, but I definitely look forward to him sharpening his ability to flesh out other's thinking. There were moments where I really was looking forward to what Sam had to say, or Sam was articulating a train of thought, and Eric speaks into the moment and derails it.
Yeah he's a chronic interruptor and a pretty rude and self-centered communicator in general imo.
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My sentiment exactly , he was doing the same think to Bret during interview.
@@Christopher-md7tf Agree!
He doesn't know how to interview
I wish Eric would let Sam FINISH A SINGLE POINT.
I am fond of Sam, but off late, Sam seems to have a point within a point within a point. He sometimes does need to be steered a bit. 😁
@@Saral_Lekhi Sam is the most brilliant person I've ever heard speak.
@@cmhardin37 - I like him much. N I like anyone who talks sense too...but no one is infallible
@@Saral_Lekhi I agree. Sometimes though, in realizing he is far more intelligent than myself, I assume that even when I disagree with him on points, I am most likely wrong.
agree exactly. Eric interrupts him and then doesn't even respond to the point Sam was making.
Thank you Eric. I'm fascinated by your conversations. I wish I had the intellect to fully understand the content. Glad to have discovered this channel.
Yang2020 vs Trump is the only way to softly awaken America
I love Yang man. He would invigorate the country like nobody else. The DNC will do everything to prevent his nomination (if it came to that). If that crook Biden gets it, then I hope the democrats lose again.
@@itstimeforlee Yang/Tulsi vs Trump/Biden 🙏
I'd love to see Eric have a discussion with Steve Bannon
I'd like to see someone like Eric or Bret Weinstein or even Sam Harris have a discussion with a Richard Spencer or Jared Taylor or even a Nick Fuentes. I think it would be interesting to hear from one of these hated people in a format where they might be humanized first.
@@delailama736 Taylor would be interesting. Spencer is a blow hard nothing
@@jeupater1429 He may be, but it would still be interesting to have him humanized first and then find out about his blow hard nothingness and how get got there.
@@secretname4190 Milo is not a genuine person though. That's why no one follows Nick Fuentes or Milo I guess. Just because you don't find them interesting doesn't mean other people don't.
I could never engage these men in conversation, and fear I am relegated to position of fanboy. But I am glad there is intellect like this, that is willing to enlighten us to the possibilities of thought.
"I think we're still in the stage of being so angry at Bill Clintonism, that we just want to know that you're not owned." - Eric Weinstein, the fro, the myth, the legend
Clintonism is the metaphor for the lack of morals and honor that has allowed, if not legitimized, the corruption that made the election of Trump to facilitate the destruction of the deep state necessary. Meanwhile, Eric and Sam skate over the top of the moral and honor questions unaware of its presence under their feet.
Michael Boyd dang, now i want to listen to *your* podcast
@@michaelboyd7508 i always wondered, are people really that stupid that they voted for trump because they really thought he will "drain the swamp" and whatever the fuck the deep state is supposed to do? With his track record?
@@michaelboyd7508 I never thought we’d see the day when Republicans would make career civil servants & war heroes the bad guys in defense of a life-long liberal, draft-dodging conman, or that only Democrats could be relied upon to defend our national security & the rule of law.
@@Daniel____DiJ The problem is one you've created in your mind, I'm afraid.
Consider that the Republicans aren't making career civil servants and war heroes the bad guys. What evidence is there for my counterpoint? They are very careful to reflect their admiration for the vast majority of these individuals, while also expressing their dismay, concern, outrage, etc. regarding the absolutely illegal behavior some in this community have committed.
For example, going to a FISA court to obtain a warrant on a political rival's campaign staff with knowingly fraudulent evidence, as was the case with Carter Page, where an individual in the FBI altered evidence to promote the opposite view of what was given by others in the intelligence community. In this case, the FISA court was advised that Carter Page "was not" an intelligence source, when the information that was given by the intelligence community was that he was a source. When you see that these same individuals went to the FISA court with the Steele dossier, without admitting to the court that the veracity of large sections of the dossier, were in doubt, we have a problem that must be addressed.
In the lead up to the election, I was actively defending the intelligence community, as a whole, having worked in such circles, and knowing the hard work conducted, and the dedication to professional service the vast majority possess. But, I've been incredibly saddened to learn that these events transpired in a community I still vehemently support. I, probably like you, was not a supporter of Trump. I didn't vote for him, largely because of his lack of interest in very important topics, of which he would now be the ultimate decider on many.
In other words, both opinions can be held at the same time.
And, if you're relying on the Democrats to abide by the rule of law, you'll have to wait longer than this year. The impeachment hearings are supposed to be designed as a bipartisan mechanism to check the executive. This is the opposite of a bipartisan impeachment hearing, which will only serve to divide us further. The Democrats had the opportunity to wait for the courts to hear their argument to override claims of executive privilege, but they decided the clock was more important that Constitutional norms and legal precedent.
"Insouciant" . Thank you yet again Sam! #vocab
Greg Arnold I have a handful of post-it notes on my desk at home mostly of words I’ve picked up from Sam. Sometimes he’ll use a word in a context I’ve never it in before. For example, from his Ted Talk on AI: “let’s that fact *detonate* inside your mind” or “we can’t seem to *marshal* an appropriate response.”
I feel the same way, my fellow RUclips comment thread interlocutors. Am I even using that right?😆
Orthogonal!
it was a fancy word, but a stupid comment, imo (he was talking about the trump russia stuff for that bit I think, and referring to Trump supporters as lacking some kind of obvious morality that should have steered them away from voting for him, or for condemning him insufficiently at least). The problem with that view is that the version of Trump Sam subscribes to is a strawman. Every time I investigate the various claims against him, I'm underwhelmed at their basis in reality - he called mexicans rapists, he called nazis good people, he bribed ukraine (the latest greatest hit).... I'm just tired of it. If anything, he should be condemned for his false slanders, including the russia stuff - sam has no moral high ground on me.
Sam "go wherever you want to go, this is your show" Harris
themovietheride ha
Sam "I'm in a canoe floating down someone else's stream of consciousness" Harris
I would really like to know more about how the Weinstein parents managed to raise two people who are such brilliant, original thinkers. We need more of those parents in the world
That was purely genetic.
@@skyblue9991 environmental conditioning often or not further outweighs genetics. In the right environment both can be conditioned in a positive manor. The inverse is equally possible.
@@mrsmith4435 Um...where did you learn to speak English?
@The Modern Stoic That's after they have already been programmed unless they were testing on new borns? Military research is very interesting to me do you have any good sources I could dig into? :D
@The Modern Stoic Though you have to admit hardly anyone reaches their potential. So how do you measure the actual potential?
Learning is a completely misunderstood area. Babys and young kids are still learning naturally although attempts to "make them learn" are increasing. Those external attempts are acutally inhibiting learning.
Noone who went trough the present "education system" can realize their potential. They are constantly held down...
45:25 Wtf Eric. Now I'm simultaneously concerned and unbearably interested in what you have to say on that
This is such a beautiful and delicious conversation. Very good food for thought. Their style of thinking, though subtle, is quite impressive. Thank you gentlemen
Eric "I predicted that" Weinstein
Well considering he made a breakthrough scientific observation that was straight up plagerised from him, I think he has the right the say he's made some predictions.
@@joehosier6187 nope
Eric "Vegetarian Elk Meat" Weinstein
@@joehosier6187 Wasn't that Bret Weinstein ( regarding the telomere length of laboratory mice) or is there another breakthrough I'm missing ?
@@kdemetter
He covers both his and his brother's adversities in the midst of institutional corruption and narratives here. I don't know if you follow him on Spotify but it's a way better way to keep up to date than RUclips for The Portal.
open.spotify.com/episode/0pSAI6UqXc2yLTdk2x4mZE?si=wHaC9PEDTlycehio7uGsKw
Eric, you are making me rethink my career in wrestling... I had this thought that I might be doing harm to the couple thousand fans I influence. People actually crave being lied to as long as it fits the current narrative. I guess my focus should be to create positive influence using my medium. 🤷
My goodness me what a ride, thank you so much for a conversation for the ages. So much to think about, so well expressed. I’m really glad that I found you
"You've found the portal."
Checks fridge to be sure it was the baby portobellos that went into the salad.
Stametts says don’t eat portabellas raw
@@stevewahls8434 And I say:
Don't disagree about mushrooms with Stamets..
Our own bee saving mycelium master..
Dont keep your psilocybin in the fridge!
hahah. I had a good laugh when Eric said that (does he say that to start every episode?). So melodramatic.
Heehee
"Did I want to get good things done, or did I want to stay a person I could live with?" Wow and yes, what a sad question to have to ask onesself in our modern dystopia.
I like that I have to look up words and references in this conversation as it's happening. Keep it up.
Thank you, thank you for having a youtube and podcast; you two are like a beacon in a sea of distraction to me
Eric, you're dropping too much lingo. You're not communicating when you speak a different language.
Pausing to google stuff is part of the fun of listening to Weinstein imo
Absolutely, I’m realizing how dumb I am listening to this.
Oh man...lol...thank you guys!
@@joes.8351 Its one thing to have an advanced vocabulary, but it's something else entirely when you ungracefuly weild it like a blunt instrument.
They're trying to sound superior when in actual fact they're using it to touch on many subjects while coming to no meaningful conclusions on any of them
This conversation literally goes nowhere and in reality is all about Sam Harris feeling like he's being bullied by some of their peers. It's actually quite pathetic.
@@RMF76 Wow....I'm about a third of the way through....and this is certainly interesting. o_O
I mainly came via a respect of Sam's ideas and posture towards thought itself....but I'm familiar with Eric and have watched him in many formats.
But at this point in the podcast...I'm feeling a bit odd about it all. There seem to be quite a few instances where Eric will say something or tacitly imply something that is.....objectively fucking nuts. But he'll do it subtly; 90% of what he says is totally legit and well thought out and intelligent and ethical and rational. But then he'll say something that makes you question _all_ of that. Sam tries to grin through it and push back when necessary with seemingly intentional kid-gloves...almost out of sympathy(?) But it's pretty hard not to notice. Weird fucking podcast.... But I still absolutely appreciate it. It's more interesting than 99% of what's out there.
Scrolling through this comment section, I'm noticing there isn't a high representation of females in the audience (or at least the commenting audience.) Not that it's terribly meaningful one way or the other, I just thought this matter particularly curious being a female myself. I wonder if my being autistic/adhd/asperger's (whatever you want to call it) has anything to do with why I tend to find myself (more often than not) in the company of males with interesting ideas and opinions? Anyway, I know I cannot be the only female audience member and fan of Harris, the Weinstein bros (& Heather H.), etc. so if you are a woman and reading this, like or comment here. I'd love to see and know that there are more of us who either follow or entertain similar thinking to men such as these two, Sam Harris & Eric Weinstein.
Curiouser & curiouser -- Andrea.
Neurotypcial female here. 😊
My girlfriends and I have been listening to Harris, Weinstein, Peterson etc. since early 2018. You'll find plenty of female fans on platforms like Reddit and Twitter! I think the trend you're noticing has less to do with neurodivergent inclinations and more so with just being on YT. 62% male user base and generally poor comments-to-views ratio compounded by recent crackdown on "borderline content" recommendations via updated algorithm = reduction in NEW female viewership. Keep in mind, I could also be entirely wrong lol.
"The one vacation I take with my family in a year"
The beach! I also went to the beach for my last vacation. In 1996.
Sam: *makes point
Eric: I disagree
Sam: what do you think?
Eric: *rambles and gets sidetracked, never gets back to reason for disagreement.
Lol this! I found it sorta frustrating because I wanted to get to the bottom of the disagreement!
I’ve been a major fan for a little bit now and I’m delighted to see your podcast growing and thriving my friend! We need more people like you in the world so I thank you for all you do!
Please do release the Epstein riff. That would be incredibly interesting.
It would be his last podcast....
*"Eric Weinstein was found dead on New Year's day. His death was believed to be of natural causes"*
@ - Always leave on a high note ~ George Costanza
It mustn't be very good if he's shelved it. It's more useful to pretend he might release it.
Eric W. Is a real out of box thinker. Damn. I love his podcast
what's outside the box? what is the box? should it be left? if so, why? if not, why not?
have you considered these questions? if not, why not? if you have....are you lying? to me? or to yourself?
Yeah, and with a view.
He's literally the smartest person I know of.
Eric is simply brilliant. I am captivated when ever he speaks. Then Sam Harris here.
mind is blown.
great podcast!!!!
1 year later, still valuable content.