NASA astronauts will risk riding glitchy Boeing Starliner back to Earth!
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In spite of ongoing problems with helium leaks and the propulsion system, Butch and Suni will risk riding Starliner back to Earth!
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This is concerning. NASA astronaut office needs to ensure the safety of the crew, first and foremost.
To accomplish that they need to wait for Elon Musk to send up a Crew Dragon to rescue them.
@yt45204😂 that would actually make a huge difference.. since I'm 99% sure they'll have a new board within the first three launches.
Never ever forget Space Shuttle disaster.......
@Lucinda666 both of them...
Absolutely. NASA has already made two disastrous decisions that resulted in the deaths of 14 astronauts. I'm not calling them mistakes because they knew full well what was likely to happen BEFORE they made those decisions. Astronauts are by nature risk takers, but everything possible must be done to ensure they are as safe as possible. And I am not convinced that is the case with Starliner.
The big mistake with Starliner was jumping towards Crew missions instead of some initially cargo missions, gathering flight data.
Don't have an unlimited supply of Atlas rockets
Probably can’t do autonomous docking, require human steering.
@@cameronh3260that’s what they will say when astronauts die?
that's what the second flight of starliner was. It autonomously docked with the ISS with cargo.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I had the understanding that they were required to make 2 SUCSESFUL flights before a manned flight. The first flight they never made it to the Space Station, and the second flilght they partily got lost/way off course. So I guess thats good enough for NASA
Stop bleeding the taxpayers try and cancel this shit. Wake up NASA and join us in the 21st Century. Business as usual is not good enough. Time for a major change, a real change or go home.
They should just jetison the starliner and send up the Spacex Dragon. Starliner is too expensive and too glitchy. Leave Space to the professionals at Spacex
remember when crew dragon blew up on the pad? i do.
@@duffy84that was a test article and SpaceX found and fixed the problem in two weeks. There have been NO problems with crew dragon since then.
remember when @@duffy84 wasn't a replyguy with nothing to contribute? yah me neither
Need something when SpaceX goes bankrupt in a few years.
@@duffy84 you mean when they were testing it and there were no people aboard? Is this thunderfoot?
NASA deserves a full refund hand off to Sierra Nevada for a crewed Dream Chaser.
Dreamer Chaser is a primitive Space Shuttle!
@@Agent77XNope!
@@Agent77XCompated to retro spam cans?
Pray for the Astronauts safe return.
I was shocked that NASA put astronauts into anything boeing built. Send a dragon capsule up to bring them back safely
I am not sure their suits are compatible?
theres one dragon hooked to iss i think
Dragon seats 7, so theres no reason they cant hitch a ride back on the one that's there at the moment. I'd much rather they did that than riding home in that deathtrap. Even Soyuz is a better option!
@@NGM.I.G.really? I would have thought that compatibility would be a given. I'm pretty sure that SpaceX suits are compatible with Soyuz, as that's an option for a lifeboat, just as Dragon is for the Cosmonauts. I may be wrong, but it seems bonkers if 2 US flight systems are incompatible.
Launched it with a known helium leak! Insane!
Since we currently don't have a "repair shop" in orbit(maybe in the distant future),don't let non engineering management overide the engineers(remember shuttle
Columbia). Detach from ISS and ditch it. Keep the astronauts safe!
Since merging with Douglas, Boeing has become a corporate welfare queen.
No, don't ditch it just yet. Return it to base so it can be examined.
What happened with the Soyuz that sprung a leak while at the station? Know they sent another one to return its crew.
@@KOZMOuvBORG as a past aviation machinist mate, ive worked on almost exclusively McDonald Douglas engines. And they're nothing less then impressive. I have a hard time accepting this circus thats being created. When did they bring in the clowns ?
McDonall Douglas did not build engines. They did build some great planes, F-4, A-4, F-18, C-17.
Send up space X to bring them home.
What a marketing opportunity for Elon! Send up a Dragon capsule and name it Thunderbird One. Paint International Rescue on the capsule. Make Boeing pay for the flight.
Lol
Let's think a moment... ok, don't take it back. Sums it up.
I sure wouldn't want to be them! I'd refuse to get back on that piece of crap!
They uh... don't have many choices
Scrap Starliner, Support Dreamchaser
Politics and money i suspect?
Scrap NASA
going back to our first moon landing, death and danger was always a companion in exploration of our system!
And most "don't get it - -
One of the scariest things about spaceflight is that astronauts could find themselves in a position where they are inevitably going to die in a few hours time without any hope of rescue. Meanwhile they would be able to communicate with home. It has not yet happened but one day it will and the impact will be psychologically much worse than death in a sudden unforeseen accident of the kind we have seen before. If it happens here Boeing will have to accept that it could have been prevented and lost money was the only thing in the way.
This has already happened on Mt. Everest. Mountaineers knew they were going to die, but could make a final phone call to their family on cell phones.
Columbia was almost this, but they kept the astronauts in the dark about the issue they were facing.
Some people believe that this happened on an early Soviet mission that was erased from the records. According to the story, mission control turned off communication.
With both challenger and columbia, mgmt decided to proceed with missions despite known specific risks because they erroneously decided the engineers needed to prove that proceeding would fail, not that proceeding would be safe. Starliner has experienced quite a few problems so far. Boeing should be forced to prove to nasa that starliner is still safe to return despite the issues. If they can't the crew should return on a soyuz or crew dragon.
Yes!
The only way to 'prove' Starliner is 'safe' to return, is to fly it home...
Boeing has a total of ONE Starliner built. It's not reusable so flying it home and relaunching it is out of the question... at the rate new problems are popping up, I feel it's not safe to fly any lifeforms in it. Not even just a loop around the ISS for a test flight to try to prove anything.
NASA should have never let this thing even get close to a launch pad!
Starliner is a product of a company that follows a different management paradigm. It's an old company with big bureaucracy and it will take a long time for Boeing to change. That's the way they do things. Let us hope they will be able to change.
Screw Boeing!
Didn't NASA say, if Starliner completed it's mission (launch, docking and landing) they would certify it safe for human launches?
Yes, pending corrections of any deficiencies found (according to a Sat News article on that topic).
@@jamesgibson3582 Thanks.
This is the scariest moment ever! Hoping that those images inside the ISS are not farewell ones. 🙏
🤣🤣🤣
@@mervstash3692 Hyperbole and B/S.
I am not confident that they have identified the source of the Thruster problems, and because the service module is jettisoned before the capsule returns to earth, I wonder if they will ever identify the source of the problem; evidently, the available telemetry is not enough/sufficient
NASA has received from Boeing a Lemon the last time this happened was Apollo 1, I hope this time it does not end as Apollo 1 did and the crew is lost
Boeing and Starliner have lost all credibility.
Yeah, many imbeciles say the same thing....
It would be interesting to be at the debriefing after they land if they survive
Send the space ship back to earth without the crew on board as a test and rescue the crew with another craft from SpaceX or the Russians.
SpaceX yes and sod the Russians
The Russians? Seriously.!? NEVER, F Russia
Godspeed Barry and Suni
Oh boy... Lets pray for the best...
so is the FAA going to give boeing a shake down over this like they do to spacex?
I hope they ground Starliner.
@synfiguring fair enough. Is there a Space version of the FAA? I wouldn't suppose so as no one "owns" space.
@synfiguring beurocrat aliens from planet Zetti reticuli have entered conversation
@synfiguringSo they should just avoid the atmosphere on the way back?
SpaceX needs to send up a Dragon to rescue them, and have Starliner try to make it back to earth unmanned
Boeing will do that over their dead bodies.
And to think, out of everyone in the Commercial Crew Program Boeing got more gov funding than everyone else combined. Years later and it's still a glitchy mess with tons of issues. Beating a dead horse here, but still shocked that Nasa was willing to do a crewed launch after the first two launches had so many problems and so much time and yet it's still a mess. And Boeing has the balls to be charging more per seat than SpaceX in their contracts for this lemon.
Bear in mind that Boeing has had such severe delays and cost overruns in the Starliner program that, despite their allocation being more than SpaceX's, it is impossible for Boeing to recover the cost overruns. The Commercial Crew contract doesn't cover more than Boeing bid for the project, and, even if all the subsequent crew and cargo missions go without a hitch, Starliner will cost Boeing more than they get for launching it, above and beyond the funding they received.
@@danceswithmules Delays and overruns that are Boeing's MO. Stretch the money as far as you can while saying you constantly need more money to finish the project. Swindling the taxpayer 101 for contractors.
@@danceswithmulesthey were hoping it would be cost+, no one expected SpaceX to do so well. Despite getting the most NASA money for CC, they reported $1.5 bil in losses on top of that.
This is an unusually inaccurate video for you. A, the thrusters they're having problems with are in the service module, not the starliner itself, and so they play no role in reentry, B) even that is a software issue not a hardware issue and they've already found a workaround for this flight which fixed the 4 thrusters that selected off, and C) the entry corridor is determined purely by their orbital velocity, and the OMS engines (which have been working perfectly) are entirely responsible for that, not the RCS.
Boeing and the starliner program are a mess and there's plenty of facts to report on without resorting to clickbait
What is clickbait about the title? Starliner is CLITCHY.
@bigdougscommentary5719 it is worse than click bait. It is misleading. 1. You have not watched the video and are just commenting like a fanboy. 2. What the video is talking about has not to do with reentry. The thrusters are in the service module that will be discarded.
@@ojobeegood info. Did not know this. So Starliner is not glitchy for re entry?
I think you are missing his point....Ok the thrusters in question are on the service module, IF those are malfunctioning and need addressing, what about the crew module thrusters, do you trust them for reentry?
Very surprised at the video. Normally a journalistic approach to reporting but this one was misleading. 'Drama', 'rescue ship', 'brave faces', 'meet their fate'. Theee are items and software to shakeout, just like any other.
Well, I found out that everyone is running Windows. Just pray it doesn't update in mid-flight.
Don't worry. In every critical operation I've been involved in Windows automatic updates are turned off so that they can be updated at the network administrators leisure.
Then again, this is Boeing we're talking about....
Boeing is using windows vista. No worries of updates.
I think there ought to be a deep, forensic investigation into Boeings spending, engineering and, most importantly, management of this project.
Heads need to roll on this.
I just hope it's not those of the astronauts' on their way home.
Boeing's problems all started with their last merger with McDonnell Douglas. McDonnell Douglas failed due to a lack of new designs. All they did was make a few small changes without spending the right amount of money on a project. Boeing's new management (mostly from McDonnell Douglas) followed McDonnell Douglas' lead on the 737 to keep from spending money on a replacement, which gave birth to the MAX line of 737s that failed.
The sad thing is, that since the merger, nothing from Boeing has worked as advertised.
@The Angry Astronaut. Can you clarify a question for us that was raised about the compatibility of the Starliner crew suits with the Dragon capsule? Could the two not just get into a Dragon as some are saying? I was under the impression that the suits arent compatible and they would need to send some up..
All the different suit connectors are incompatible. There needs to be a standard before someone dies due to incompatible connectors.
@@steveadams7550 Very well,said sir, thank you for confirming my original thoughts.
AnomalyLiner™️
Good idea. Don't make NASA's money waste look bad by getting help from Space X. These peoples lives are not as important as making the project look bad again. Same thing as letting Space X help to save our space telescope Hubble.
I think NASA should pay for an extra Spacex Dragon capsule to always be docked at the ISS...just in case all crew need to be evacuated in an event like in the movie Gravity. I thought of this a couple years ago: Send up an extra Dragon capsule...then as regular crew shifts go up, they come back down in the previous capsule. Thus, always a spare, and it doesn't get "rusty" sitting there.
Agree, but Boeing should pay.
Crew Dragon only has certain operation life in orbit. It has consumable with a set time limit.
They already use a Soyuz for this.
@@trespirecan last 210 days docked (allegedly)
@@stevenobrien557 That's a long time. Didn't know that. Thanks.
The Skylab flight 2 crew (Bean, Garriott and Lousma) had two out of four RCS quads leaking when they flew their Apollo CSM to Skylab. They were able to come home just fine without half of their RCS quads out after 59 days of flight. So why rag on Starliner? They still have plenty of Helium reserve and operating RCS capability to come home just fine.
I would hope that after 50 years, things would have improved, but I guess that's too much to ask.
It takes big ones to fly Starliiner.
Hint? It takes big ones to go to space period.
Saw the starliner tour earlier. What a mess. It looked like something you'd knock together in your garage. Dragon looks 21st century, starliner looked more like 19th (yes I mean that not 20th). Send it back empty and forget ut. NASA needs us money back from Boeing
The operative word there is 'looks'. The switches and dial look vs a touch screen. Crew Dragon's familiar camera angle ignores all of the safety gear strapped to the floor.
I have a bad feeling about this.
Okay, I won't tell you the odds.
I'm with you on this one mate
I really wonder if Starliner was the one that worked perfect and Dragon was the one with all the problems plus the money was reversed if SpaceX would be getting the chances Bowing is right now. I have never seen something fail so much yet they are still risking lives in it.
Elon would be in jail and spacex would be a subsidiary of Boeing. Thank goodness it’s not quite that topsy turvy yet.
Scary.
Let us not get too carried away here - Starliner has already successfully returned to Earth TWICE. That was not just blind luck.
I suspect that's because even Boeing can't make them fall up...
The amount of piling on is based on some misinformation. I think there is a cooler story in how the helium leaks were stopped and what remains to be discovered about them (helium is notorious pon earth as well). The thrusters have a software item going on. Not about their ability to function but on certain spaecraft states that deselect them. Ok work that out. We will learn something. The coolant "problem' just mrans they are bringing a larger capacity up next time and we'll know why the somulations didn't match orbital performance. And, yes it has safely landed twice before and passed all tests. The 'hoping and praying' comments aren't really helping.
I share your misgivings re: thrusters. The fact that they were aware of some "small" helium leaks before launch and still sent it up is problematic. Its worth noting that thruster operation depends on fuel pressurization from that system--makes me angry! Give your heads a shake, NASA!
The thing about leaks is you can determine the amount leaking off of the pressure readings. My car tire leaks air but it's still good for 3 weeks after I fill it up. If they still went ahead it's not the end of the world.
If Greyhound started using busses built by Boeing...
I'd do a road trip in my car, instead.
Flying on Starliner is like taking a trip on a leaky boat. You hope that you can reach your destination before the leak becomes a problem.
I hope with all my heart that the two astronauts return safely.
I can't help but see the comic side of the situation regarding the statements of Boeing and its associates when Musk started his SpaceX business: "That bum doesn't know anything about rockets, he's going to waste a lot of money and make the company go bankrupt before get up off the ground." Let's check the score: Crewed missions launches: 12 -1 / People: 46-2 (let's hope 2 return safely) / Cargo missions: 30 -0 ....... plus he's machine-gunning the sky with Starlink and shooting up an oversized behemoth. Wow: that bum is capable of doing something after all.
lets not forget 1 set of under pants !
@synfiguring if u listened to the live docking he said he needed a change and the said that's all he had lol
God bless the two astronauts to come back home safely
Irresponsible unless they know something we do not... or the astronauts insisted.
The only acceptable reason to do this is that the astronauts aboard insisted on doing it.
Send crew Dragon right now.
NASA to Astronauts - "Sure, there are multiple helium leaks, and half the thrusters aren't working, but Boeing assures us the heat shield and parachutes are just fine...and if you can't believe Boeing, who can you believe? So, yeah, enjoy that ride home!"
I will not trust Boeing more then I can throw a Starliner. They did believe the fault was contained, and still more fault did appear. I hope the Starliner commander have the balls to request a Dragon. It will kill the Starliner program but at this state its a mercy kill.
And if he called a Dragon, SpaceX can send one to ISS few hours later. Falcon 9 now is flying days to nights.
Hint? All the thrusters came back online after a hot start. - - -
Nothing like hitching a ride on an express elevator to oblivion...
Starliner system looks very similar to Soyuz with all those buttons. Soyuz built 50+ years ago and starliner built now.
Elon musks crew dragon is one of a kind. Absolutely sleek design and command module.
We've got to be a little bit understanding of the starliner issues. If I was skeptical, I would think Boeing introduced problems to justify a return to cost+ contracts. However that'd be awfully difficult to prove in legal proceedings. But Butch and Suni are doing well on this shakedown flight.
All that Boeing have done in my eyes is justify the most microscopic investigation into the whole Starliner project from the top to the bottom.
great PR for Boeing just what they needed.
I too am very worried about their safety.... I watched the launch while praying the whole time, but I don't think I can do that again for their re-entry. I say they send it back empty and see if it survives either autonomously or remotely piloted (if possible) and then have SpaceX send up a Dragon for them when one is ready, which shouldn't be very long since SpaceX is fantastic with their turnaround times. It's just not worth the risk. Of course Boeing would complain about the stock plummeting when the public hears that the astronauts don't trust it enough to make the second leg of their journey... but IT'S THEIR OWN DANG FAULT! I won't fly on their planes and I hope astronauts
They should send Starliner (Trashliner) back empty and send up a crew dragon to take them home. NASA trying to save face got the crew of the space shuttles Challenger and Columbia killed.
I'm pretty confident all will work out OK. NASA needs at least two, but preferably more ways to get astronauts to and from the ISS. Don't forget all the problems and lives lost during the STS program and lives lost in Apollo 1... and nearly lost at the end of the Apollo/Soyuz mission. After the first successful unmanned Dragon mission SpaceX destroyed the recovered craft during postflight testing. So, give Starliner a chance.
I can't but find similarity with the 2nd shuttle accident. They knew there was a problem and they chose to let them come back to earth and we know what happen. Why risk it when you have the option of a rescue ?
I pray they make it back. They die, it is the end of Starliner. I think Starliner is a big waste of tax dollars. NASA has become just a government jobs program.
goofy
All current aero-space companies are on government welfare. It's how the people running things keep in power by handing out money to every state. They get to go back 'home' and brag about how much money they brought in and kept jobs in the State. (Well, those states that HAVE an aero-space firm.)
Why won't they make it back? Best stop listening to hysterical little girls RUclips videos....
I’ll bet Elon has a dragon capsule loaded and ready to blast off and rescue the astronauts from what looks like the Beverly hillbillies truck in space. That starliner definitely looks like Sanford and Son.
HAHA! You gave me a good chuckle there. I agree with the sentiment.
More like Steptoe and Son, unless Sanford is a US remake of Steptoe (1960s\70s UK comedy about a scrap merchants)
Internation Rescue for real.
Thunderbirds Are GO !
@@TheDavidPoole Yes, Sanford & Son was based on Steptoe & Son which ran a few years prior.
@@KOZMOuvBORG thanks for that. I never saw Sanford, but I assume it was as much of a classic as Steptoe.
Cheers ✌️
I seem to remember (it was all so nominal) the Crew Dragon tests- the first had some minor glitches... But once it was crew rated it has been without major incident(s). At least the Starliner's door stayed plugged.
What the !@#$%^&*( hell is going on over at Boeing,... Boeing's Star-Lemon!
Yes you are right, we definitely do not want any sort of problem, like you describe. M
Boeing you had one job ! No leaks ! Or stuck thruster valves ! Unfreaken believable ! Spacex to the rescue ! 😮
At this time let them hitch the ride on Starship still safer than this crappy vessel. At least Starship can tank to the safe velocity and height for them to parachuted out
Part of me want the safe return of the astronauts, part of me want the starliner to fail.
They are 100% confident in themselves and each other. That is what they are 100% confident in.
They didn't find workarounds for the helium leaks - they just closed the valves, preventing use.
I remember the space shuttle losing tiles on it's way to the ISS,only to burn up on the return to earth because of the missing tiles
No, it wasn't because of missing tiles.
It was because there was an actual hole in the leading edge of the wing. Let the superheated air right inside the wing.
They are the experts and I believe that they can bring their starliner and themselves back safely.
Well, nowadays, astronauts only have to sit back for the most part and just enjoy the ride. I guess they must be dying to have some drama and action.
As long as there's no actual dying.
There is an upper limit to how much action and drama is safe. I'm sure that having fun playing with microgravity is enough fun to take their minds off what they're actually doing.
It's always been that way. Manual control of a spacecraft is rare.
Boeing should ask for advice to SpaceX.
Given the previous test flights of Starliner, I was surprised when they announced this manned mission. The astronauts are very bold and I'm sure they've been given the most generous life insurance policies. I hope Boeing sort out the problems. I don't like the company, their competency, or the cost of their vehicles, but I want to see everyone return safely in this mission and all future missions.
I hope they are safe. I admire their courage.
IMO, starliner should never have been certified for crewed missions until it had a perfect unmanned test flight.
Wow what a bad year for Boeing. Airbus must be having a field day right now
Not necessarily. Airbus co-owns Arianespace, which is having its own teething problems with its Ariane 6 rocket. Then again, it’s not going for crew-rating anytime, soon…
Im finding it really hard to comprehend all this. Helium leaks... ok, it happens, sometimes. But thruster problems? After all this time? Is it the hardware/manufacturer? The engineering? The implementation? Is it the delays that degrades the hardware just sitting in the ship? Maybe one thruster.. but 5? Thats gotta be systematic. This is crazy.
Ask Elon to send up a Dragon to take them home and jettison the Starliner and let it burn up in the atmo.
I pray for their safe return!
The Boeing management needs to go away. The company needs engineers at the top. The company can’t survive if it’s all about money! They need to get back to top engineering.
Oh yeah precise reentry is important - we don't want them landing on top of the Himalayas half way around the globe / making half an extra orbit before coming back in if the thrusters suddenly 'fail' halfway during the deorbit burn
Hopefully the 'alternative' thrusters are ready to fire immediately (eg: launch abort thrusters, but maybe halved to avoid high g load?) immediately if the OMAC thrusters fail halfway through the deorbit burn or we are going to have a massive problem.
Don't do it! Wait for SpaceX to mount a rescue mission.
Ditch Starliner. It shows no sign of improvement.
You couldn't pay me enough to ride in that Apollo-wannabe.
@synfiguring I understand what you mean.
But you're still crazy 😜
@@MrGchiasson who made an offer to pay you?
The main maneuvering engines, the ones that put Starliner into orbit and the ones that will act as retrorockets, are perfect. There is only trouble with the RCS system. So there is no doubt that Starliner will enter the atmosphere at the correct angle. None.
Now they may have problems with the RCS system to keep the capsule on the correct orientation, but once in that atmosphere, Starliner doesn't need those thrusters, except to fine-tune its landing spot precisely. Starliner is aerodynamically stable, meaning that it automatically stabilizes heat shield first as it passes through the atmosphere. The astronauts' lives are not in danger.
And Jordan, it's your business to know these facts. You need to put the nose to the grindstone and educate yourself about the proceedings here before you lose your spaceflight audience and are left only with the notoriously fickle and unloyal alien enthusiast crowd. Some people depend on you to learn about these space flights. For now. That can and will change unless you up your game to earn the credibility you take for granted.
That being said, the Starliner program needs to be cancelled, the last Atlas V boosters should be assigned to the NROL where they will perform a useful function, and Sierra Nevada needs to be contracted for manned Dream Chaser flights to the ISS, replacing Boeing.
Don't gamble with human life! Send a Dragon. Unbelievable they are allowing coming back on the Starlemon.
Prayers that they come back home safely. What a Pike elephant!
Do they have another capsule and trunk? I know that a year ago they had to swap trunks due to faulty valves. I'm wondering do they even have another capsule and trunk ready when if this gone all good?
Yes, they can come in too steep but that will result in a ballistic re-entry, not burning up. Too shallow and they will not skip off the atmosphere and get lost. That would only apply if they were coming in from the Moon or Solar orbit at a speed faster than escape velocity, but coming in from LEO there is no danger of skipping off. After they do their re-entry burn they will re-enter the atmosphere. The only real risk is they might miss their landing target. Also if I understand correctly the issues are with the Starliner service module. Its thrusters are used for the de-orbit burn, but after that burn Starliner separates from the SM and maintains orientation before and during re-entry using the RCS on Starliner's crew module.
Who in the heck gave this a human rating?? and people have the nerve to talk down on Starship which is experimental
You seem to me to be a little too pessimistic about manned space flights’ risks and benefits normally. But, I must say that I totally agree with your assessment of this Starliner capsule. As I stated elsewhere on the second day of the mission, I believe it was a huge mistake to launch Starliner with a known helium leak. And believe the schedule pressure forced program managers to undertake this new huge risk by putting the capsule in space before the full extent of the helium leak problem was understood. After all, helium is used to pressurize the tanks containing the hyperbolic fuel and oxidizer. With an unknown helium leak, it seemed very evident to me that the risk of other thruster failing to function was too great. Now, the astronauts may be forced to abandon the Starliner and return to Earth and another, safer spacecraft. Starling is simply not ready for prime time, in my view. And given Boeings’ very consideration program management record of late throughout the corporation, it simply is not worth the risk to continue fixing this spacecraft by jury rigging it to force it to operate normally and safely. Living with such risks that are built into the design seriously jeopardizes the ability of the craft to deal with any other problems that may still be unknown, even unknowable. Reducing the margin of safety further by creating workarounds is just not a good way to deal with such faults. Completely redesigning the thruster propellant system will likely need to be undertaken just to get the system to operate without resorting hastily developed workarounds.
Looks like nobody is surprized at all. The big surprize comes when this fleebag construction does get certified, after all the malfunctioning.
At this stage it would be best to just move on to funding DreamChaser. How is Starliner even going to launch, after ULA run out of AtlasVs? And who is supposed to pay its high seat prices, after the end of ISS? Yet the biggest concern is Boeing's scheduling capability, which will be impossible to coordinate with commercial space stations.
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The Vulcan Centaur rocket needs to be crew rated before Starliner or Dreamchaser can launch with crew on board. That will take many years.
It’s amazing that had Dragon suffered the same number of “glitches” there’s no way it would have been allowed to fly, and I don’t remember Starliner doing an in flight abort demo, what’s the reason for this? More corruption?
YES! Apollo 13 was a fantastic movie. That doesn' mean people want a hundred things to go wrong on a space flight.
I pray they make it back safely. That said, what is it going to take for NASA to figure out that Starliner is a dangerous piece of garbage? Hopefully it won't require someone dying for that to happen.
I'm praying with you, Greg.
What did it take you to figure out that it's "a dangerous piece of garbage". Other than listening to fear mongering "whistleblowers" and the media? Have you done any tests or have any expertise in the design, operation and contingency plans of the craft? Or are you just a credible youtube rocket scientist expert?
@@bmstyle 4 years late and $4.1 billion spent. Every previous launch has resulted in significant software and hardware problems. The current one with people on it is leaking helium from multiple points. It is suffering retro rocket failures right now at the ISS. What would you call that? Success? Safe? Or are you just a moron fanboy with your head up Boeing's ass?
I'm thinking there will be whistleblowers to come forward about the push to fly versus ensure the spacecraft is 100% safe and ready. This Starliner is super complicated compared to Dragon.
Scary. Why would NASA risk this?
Soyuz - Roscosmos would need to send up seats and suits.
Crew Dragon - might need SpaceX suits, but would need to send up seats as that craft is currently configured for 4 with a reduction of returning cargo. Also don't know if SpaceX and Boeing use common suit connections for electrics and air/ventilation..
They aren't planning to refurbish this piece of garbage I hope.
It is to be used 9 more times.
@@happilyham6769 Boeing claims it can be used 10 times. However, they only have 6 more missions under contract for NASA. And they built 2 Starliners. So it is unlikely that a Starliner capsule will fly that many times. If they did want to keep using it beyond that, they will have to find a new launch vehicle. Boeing only purchased enough Atlas Vs to fly the 6 missions under contract. Atlas V is now out of production and all the remaining launches are sold.
@@Roo76Vulcan Centaur I believe is the replacement for the Atlas rocket. There are 38 launches for gps satellites already booked it seems, so that rocket will be around for a while.
@@jamesgibson3582 Yes, Vulcan Centaur is the replacement for Atlas V. However, Vulcan Centaur is not currently certified for human flight. Atlas V was basically grandfathered and awarded certification for human flight on the basis of its 20 year history of successful launches. Vulcan Centaur does not have that history. If it is going to be certified for human spaceflight, it will need to go through a testing campaign similar to what Falcon 9 went through. SpaceX was willing to pay the cost involved in the testing to certify Falcon 9, because it was in their own best interest. But I kind of doubt ULA is going to pay the costs required to certify Vulcan Centaur for human spaceflight just so they can launch Starliner on it. Not unless Boeing is willing to pay them back. And well, Boeing is having cash flow issues right now...
@jamesgibson3582 Vulcan is yet to be crew rated.
This is the problem when companies have any degree of another agency shoving their noses into what should be a functional craft. That is, until said company proves themselves to be far too much in the center of their box. At that point, said company needs to be defunded.
Well, it’s Boeing. So, at least the doors didn’t fly off
I've noticed an audio problem with your videos for a while now. When you are splicing various bits of the audio together, there is often a sharp audio pop. I believe there should be a way that you can minimize or eliminate these audio anomalies in your editing software.