I started following David Rohl when I saw his movie Pharaoh's and Kings. It fascinated me because it was revolutionary and most of all logical. Then Patterns of Evidence blew me away. I think he brings the correct and sincere understanding of biblical archeology
I've done 30 years of genealogy. It's amazing how much old erroneous info people will just accept and repeat and it's nothing but a huge house of cards. NEVER assume the older "experts" have anything correct. EVERYTHING should be reevaluated.
I'm a huge fan of Dr. Rohl. In the last 8 years I have watched every video, purchased his books and studied his work, along with other books from historians and universities on Egypt. and I believe his new chronology makes the most sense. I think he is correct that the Bible is a historically accurate document and his alignment of it with the pharoahs makes the most sense to me. Thank you for providing this interview..
Thank you so much for highlighting the work of David Rohl. More people need to hear of his work. I have been a fan of his since I saw the "Pharaohs and Kings" Discovery Channel special back in 1995 when I was a History undergraduate. I have kept up with his research over the years. Sadly the "accepted chronology" is far too ingrained into academic scholarship that I think it will take some massive archaeological find change the old paradigm unequivocally. There is just too much academic scholarship based on the old model and historians won't support any idea that puts all of their own work into question.
How about the Temple of Solomon in Tyre? It's still there! Built in 911BC by King Ahaz when he married Jezebel Queen of Sidon, which means Kingdom of the Fish, the Phoenician Symbol for fish is X, as in the Phoenician Sun God Symbol. Mlqart is Echmun, son of Baal and Astarte, his sister is El Gebal Tuna, who rides a Donkey. East and West, the 2 headed Eagle. It's also where Enoch hid his 36,525 scrolls, under pillars of Gold and Emerald, the colors of East and West. Echmun is the God of Healing, Asclepius, Apollo, Serpentis, 13th Sunsign of the Babylonian Zodiac
Pharaohs and Kings: A Biblical Quest was shown on tv back in 95 i bought Dr.Rohl's books this shouldn't be an new idea? The man is a credible egyptologist it has been a long time since he has challenged the old chronology model! and still nothing? I Have got to admit on my behalf the guy convinced me ,if i were him 'make noise then more noise and keep making noise till at least somebody on the academic side of his profession listens ,seems a tv programm and many books on the subject have not worked if anybody doesn't understand listen to the man watch this great interview go buy one of his books on the chronology alternative ,you don't need an open mind he hits you with facts.
Unfortunately he is facing huge resistance from scholars, because its not fitting their and especially their funders agenda. Making a possible true claim that there is an evidence that the bible represents history, can make religions prosper again. well they probably dont want that to happen.
Older Egyptologists, bible researchers and middle east researchers are being told that everything they learned in college, all their research, books, papers and lectures are wrong. Naturally you would reject the premise that your whole existence has been misguided. There are intellectual reputations, funding, lecture fees and book/paper royalties on the line. How many books on the subject are simply going to be tossed on the scrap heap? On the flip side, some of the points being made and also supported by evidence are startling. And in the search for truth, facts are stubborn things. Other researchers are saying I can confirm this and this too. Rohl did make a crack in the dam. Time and pressure from new researchers with open minds will cause the dam to break.
I meet David Rohl. He was lecturing about his book - A Question of Time. Brilliant talker. Thank you. He signed his autograph in my copy and have been a fan of his since then. Do read the book, it's a fascinating book with lots of pictures you may find very useful as you become ensnared by this brilliant archeologist.
I love how Rohl accepts the biblical history without having to believe in the God of the Bible. Too many skeptics foolishly deny the entire historicity of the Bible in order to deny God.
The more I learn of how Egyptology was formed and the decisions they’ve made not only in dating but acknowledging the true age of the civilization and it’s correct representation according to finds made the more I’ve seen has to be done to correct enormous mistakes that knowingly have been passed as facts and truths
I do not agree with most of David,s ideas but he did wake people up to the fact that Egyptian and Levantine history needs to be re looked at and the current facts do not quite add up.
It’s always great to hear a new perspective and as science has taught us, we should never be married to the ideas we’ve been taught. I hope more historians and archaeologists look into it and come up with an academic consensus.
I do like his take on the Trojan War and it’s connection to the Sea Peoples. It makes sense that if you have a culture or several cultures investing heavily in a conflict against one another, others can see this as a time to strike and take advantage. People that may have been kept in check by the Mycenaean Greeks could have used the Trojan War and it’s aftermath as a means to further their own conquests or raids or what have you. I think we see something similar with the Arab conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries.
It would be really nice and best to have all these explanations as Rohl's background voice and images of only colorful timelines that would have moving arrows, the stretching and shortening of dark ages, an opening from a specific point in the timeline showing real, on-the-field excavation images to take the whole video frame, then back to the timeline and so on; all of this as David Rohl is explaining. And those graphic timeline and dark ages matching with other nations' chronologies and with Bible chronology.
Thanks, guys! Having heard David's other videos, I finally had the energy to pick up "The History of the Ancient World" by Susan Wise Bauer, but got a far better read of it because David had made me aware of the possible discrepancies, time-wise. It was a fascinating book (a lady author will bring questions about things like harems that a male author probably wouldn't even think of!), and David's views added great, great depth to it.
@34:55 The remark about having to offer an alternative is pervasive in our modern culture and has always bothered me. When someone... anyone, identifies a fault, logical fallacy, or senses something is not right, they SHOULD speak out. And, as a result of that, it offers up an idea or a thought to someone else who may well be able to offer an alternative. Assuming individuals must posses the knowledge of perceiving something wrong AND specify an viable alternative is simply choking off the power of the combined knowledge of the group.
It doesn't just choke off the power of the combined knowledge of the group, it is an effective way to lock in the "accepted truths" against any serious challenge, no matter how much evidence the challengers have. Requiring challengers to "specify a viable alternative" to the accepted Egyptian timeline, depending on how they define "viable" and "timeline", can mean re-interpreting all the archeology that was previously interpreted and established as "history" on top of that chronology. That would effectively be like requiring the challenger to rebuild 2 centuries of work (since 1820s) that took hundreds of archeologists working in teams over the decades (with billions of grant dollars) to do. It is more than a Herculean task, it is near impossible, and that is why those errors stay locked in place for the foreseeable future. But it doesn't stop me from learning about this and telling people who are willing to hear. I just don't expect academia to do any of that for us, especially since academic "science" is currently being destroyed by a corrupted peer-review system and being purged of anyone with a truly open mind or who earned their position through merit instead of having the correct immutable identity. I don't expect any of the existing institutions to have any "revolution" of honesty and humility any time soon. They're too busy undergoing a revolution of the opposite nature right now.
Do you think he produced Walk Like an Egyptian? Bad joke aside, I love listening to material like this because it helps validate Biblical history as presented in the Bible. People die for a lack of knowledge, so may God use this knowledge to give life to more people.
Big fan of David Rohl's chronology since 1978. Here's a thought: If Labaya means Lion of Yah, then that is rather close terminology to Lion of Judah, the title of David, Saul's territorial successor (not counting the ineffective Ish-bosheth/Baal). This might suggest that David adopted Lion of Judah from Saul to cement the break with the Northern Kingdom.
Remember that it was primarily one extended Family of Habiru which went into Egypt and evolved into Israelites, as there were other Canaanitic Habiru left behind, the language issue makes sense.
Ever since I saw David doing a lecture in Brighton, East Sussex, when he was launching his book "Legend" and he signed my purchased copy, I have always known that he is so logical, which the establishment is definitely not. The Boat People before Abydos, is just pure logic!
That link with Virgil... How did everyone in academia seem to miss that? How could Virgil have been so wildly off about dating the Trojan war (off by like 300 years)? Like people should have almost even laughed at him for suggesting Aeneas and Dido could have been contemporaries. I can't believe nobody noticed this!
Egyptologists say that the advent of the eight spoked chariot wheel was the beginning of 18th dynasty. The wheel was superseded by the six spoked wheel within a relatively short period of time. Through archaeological finds, including an Egyptian eight spoked chariot wheel; discovered on the seafloor of the Gulf of Aqaba, (Red Sea); we can from this knowledge determine that the Exodus must have occurred around the time of Thutmose II, and from this time period we can calculate back to when Joseph was born and when he was taken in bondage to Egypt, c1890 and c1873 respectively. In c1860 at aged thirty he met with the Pharaoh Amunemhat III. Moses would have been born in c1553, at the time of Pharaoh Apepi (1573 - 1549BC), Moses fled from Egypt, c1513BC, (Pharaoh Thutmose I - c1528 -1492BC), and he returned to Egypt forty years later in c1473BC, New Kingdom Tuthmose II/Hatshepsut (c1492 - 1458BC}
The so called chariot wheel that was discovered was "discovered" by a Charlatan named Ron Wyatt. He fabricated and lied about things in his video. Don't trust any of his stories just because it gives you confidence in your book.
@@ktrimbach5771 They kinda do if they are Wyatt's findings. Wyatt lied about what he found. Be it the bricks that blocked the room to the ark of the covenant which he carved himself... they had no patina on them, to the black topped mountain near the "site" of the 10 commandments which he said was the only mountain around with a top like that, when a simple google earth study will show you that 100s of square miles are black topped mountains.
It’s the only chronological book that remained in existence up to today, all the others, Egypt Babylon all had to be dug up, it should’ve one of the most premiere books on historical records,
Can I handle the truth? Sure, easily. But which of these conflicting hypotheses is the truth? We cannot know that until someone invents a Time Machine. Edit: There sure are some very interesting coincidental matching names in the Amarna letters and the Bible. I loved that part. Edit2: Very good! I really smelt something (almost rodent-like) when I first heard about that 300 years of total blackout. This new chronology makes much more sense. The peoples of those times never did 'just do nothing' for centuries after a destruction of a city.
What is the evidence in support of the new chronology? The intention seems to be to coordinate known historical facts with events as described in the Bible but that is not how history and archeology are done. Almost without exception, the events in the Bible were recorded hundreds of years after the fact.
The precedent set by the book of Genesis is that many cities were called by the later names in events that were chronologically earlier than the event of the city being given that name. Bethel, Beersheba, and Edom are just 3 examples. Rameses would follow this pattern.
I think that this archaeologist, Dr. Dr. Rohl, is one of the few who knows what he is talking about. Archeology as a discipline has no problem with Biblical History. On the other hand, the problem is with archaeologists their bias with the Bible. These have agreed to establish chronologies that cannot be reconciled with the Biblical stories of the conquest in Canaan, even from the exodus from Egypt.
100% agreement on need for reconstruction after deconstruction. The present period I think has fallen victim to an ideologically charactered critique and method in the form of ‘postmodernism’ which tends to destruction only.
I find this quite interesting even using the Bible and listen to other archaeologists on RUclips on their assessment of going back to Akhenaten the second for is The Exodus Fierro this is even a new pretty credible as well new chronology for Egypt has essentially the rest of the world thanks this is great stuff
Cabeiri Celts > Minoans> Phoenicians > Greeks > Scots, Irish, Welsh, Nordics, it's a migration of the megalith builders from Iberia and Brittany as they sought the rising sun. They were the Pharoahs of Lower Egypt, again driven out by Thera in the 14th century, the battles of Tutmoses III Conquering Megiddo are analogous to Joshua Conquering Jericho, it's almost 1 to 1
I just saw this video. great video. I've read "lords of avaris" and "from eden to exile". both great books with massive appendices. I think David Rohl is exactly right in his chronology, based on the facts. The archaeology with the wrong chronology has shown not that it didn't happen, but that they're looking in the wrong time. so they have missed the proof based on false assumptions. like shoshenq
It’s very interesting and fresh look on dating and chronology. In Greek centered world there were never wide spread theory on Dark Ages I would attest to that. From another side, the whole ‘Civilization Collapse’ theory of Dr. Cline is tight to Egypt, Israel and Hittites. Why not consider the rather possible point of view about regionality of the decline - something that we observe all the time - empires and civilizations associated with them do raise and fall. Greek history and Egyptian history only intersect, but not tied together. Egypt was highly insular civilization and Greek inland history is very self centered. They have their own chronologies and we shouldn’t every time we are missing factual evidence of the periods try to neatly tied everything together. We speculating about potential events with very loose time frames and it’s very easy to get persuaded as very little evidence exists in the first place.
34:50 If it is any consolation Dr. Rohl I read your books in the 90s and 00s and found the logic of your chronological argument compelling from the outset tho’ I am not an academic. Another approach to confirm arguments it seems to me is by use of probability theory - or rather using Bernoulli’s probability theorem. This is an approach used by Dr. Gerald (sic) Hawking in his book ‘Stonehenge Decoded’ where - to memory - twelve separate factors aligning to support a systematic explanation have a probability against chance arrangement of the order of over a million and a half to one. Another scholar - and one I believe of genius - who uses the method is Thom in his ‘Megalithic Sites in Britain’. To my mind use of the theorem most usefully will confirm Thiering’s ‘Pesher’ interpretation of the N.T. where so many different different interpretive systems bear down upon each sentence and sometimes a single word.
David, I’ve read your works 5 years ago,and asked some of my really smart friends to debunk it.They could not and became bigger Rohl fans than me.But no one knows you exist other than a small group.Go on Ben Shapiro or Joe Rogan,or Lex Fridman.You could start a real debate.You are getting old .Hurry.
I agree that we shouldn't restrict ourselves too much and treat older scholarship like dogma, but I can't say I agree with Dr. Rohl's overall assessment. The world of the Amarna Letters and the world of the Book of Samuel simply don't line up for me. The entire point of Saul's kingship is in reaction to oppression from non-Israelites in Canaan. The Book of Samuel and Judges go to great lengths to list who exactly was oppressing Israel and when, but the Egyptians are never mentioned. Instead it cites the oppression from the Ammonites as the reason for Saul's rise to kingship. The Amarna Letters paint a very different picture however. There Labaya, whom Dr. Rohl identifies with Saul, is totally subservient to the Pharaoh of Egypt, as is his son. If Labaya is indeed Saul, that would mean that during the entirety of his reign (however long it was) Israel was under Egyptian suzerainty. This makes the Book of Samuel's constant references to deliverance from Egyptian oppression under Moses incoherent. The Exodus is treated in the Tanakh as a defining moment in which Israel was forever delivered from the oppression of Egypt and the prophets make a very big deal out of that. Under Dr. Rohl's model however, there would be a rather significant chunk of time between the reigns of Thutmose III to at least Merneptah, if not Ramesses III, where the people of Israel where vassals under Egypt that the Books of Judges and Samuel are entirely silent on. This, in my opinion, is not something the Tanakh would, or even could, ignore if it indeed happened. As far as the Tanakh is concerned, Israel was delivered from Egypt's oppression through Moses, and Egypt never ruled over the people of Israel again until the exile and the voyage back into Egypt referenced in Deuteronomy 28:68. This extended period of Egyptian rule over Israel by the New Kingdom during the time of the Judges and early monarchy throws a wrench into the Tanakh's entire message in a way that the Tanakh itself never acknowledges.
@Ario: I dispute the use of the words 'accurately dated'. The archaeological evidence dates the eruption to the time of Thutmose III, not the Hyksos Period. There is a direct conflict between the calibrated 14C date and the archaeological date.
@heilige Einfalt: Did I say that the Exodus and/or Conquest took place in the reign of Thutmose III? No, I didn't! You are getting confused, assuming that the Exodus and the eruption of Thera were contemporaneous. Again, I didn't say that, nor do I believe it was the case. The Exodus and the destruction of Jericho occurred long before the eruption of Thera.
@Ario: At last a proper, intelligent response. Thank you! When I spoke to Manfred Bietak and Peter Yanasi about the Helmi pumice in the 1990s (I was there at the time they were excavating the workshop in which the pile of pumice was found) they were convinced that it dated to early Thutmose III (i.e. the coregency period). If they have changed their opinion, it looks like an attempt to reconcile the discrepancy between the scientific dating of the eruption and the archaeological date. I was told that the workshop was in a stratum that lay above a sequence of scarabs from Ahmose to Thutmose I - all in the correct historical sequence from bottom to top. As Bietak continues to say, there is only one stratum containing Theran pumice, and that is the stratum of the workshop which Bietak dated to the mid-18th Dynasty and which was above scarabs dated to the early 18th Dynasty. All of this is 'above' the Hyksos strata and later than 1500 BC, as per most of your quotes. The question is by how much ... and I tend to go with the archaeologists' conclusions at the time of excavating rather than twenty years later when they are trying to find a compromise between the two dating methods.
@heilige Einfalt: There is nothing in the Theran eruption that is consistent with the Exodus narratives. The most obvious point being that the sequence is completely reversed! An eruption would have caused the plague of darkness first, not ninth. I place the Exodus at the end of the 13th Dynasty, which is immediately before the arrival of the Hyksos. Jericho was destroyed towards the end of MB IIB which is in. the Hyksos period. Ahmose besieged Sharuhen, not Moses or Joshua. The Israelites did not go to Tjaru/Sile, hey crossed the Yam Suph slightly further south at Pa Khara (biblical Pi ha-Khiroth).
I am speechless. I'm so smitten with his immaculate bible knowledge. I'll be looking at his research but it seems like he fixed a chronological issue everyone knows exists but no one can fix (due to Acedemia not taking the bible seriously). So mindblown.
Is the real reason non Jewish cultures reject the old testament as a history book is because it's Hebrew/Jewish? Acts 16:21 is why Christianity was changed into a legal version for Romans. Other cultures may forbid anything that could be labeled Jewish.
I love the use of human lifespan/ generations to give a perspective on time. It gives real appreciation of otherwise “deep time”. Like rock and roll, it’s got a beat you can dance to.
Great video, I have been a fan of Dr. Rohl for many years since I was a history major in college and since my graduation as well. On a side note I think the Ramses as the Pharaoh of the Exodus is interesting as in my family's church they always just said Pharaoh, and not ever as Ramses. So to my perspective this was a new thing to me when I learned some considered him to be the Pharaoh.
They have invested lots of work, effort, time and money for the timeline as it is now, the history books, online material, etc still make money for them, and also their reputation is at stake. Okay, so when are they going to say "enough, we are going to honor the truth" and do a long due revision of the Egyptian chronology?
Has anyone a link or similar discussion of Dr. Rohl's views on Akhenaten. I have always wondered if he had been heavily influenced with some limited understanding of the events during the exodus that would have influenced his departure from polytheism so completely.
If Dr. Rohl’s chronology is correct. Akhenaten is a contemporary with Kind David and lives 400 years after the Exodus. And again This would make some sense because you find Psalm 104 written on the walls in Egypt. Archeologist say that David lifted 104 from Akhenaten and Akhenaten is the first monotheist. But if you use Rohl’s new timeline Moses introduces monotheism into Egypt, Akhenaten learns of the Exodus story and starts a monotheistic religion because of the Exodus stories. He learns of David’s writings and writes them down in his temple.
Ancient Egyptian language was actually a Bantu Language. The Meroe (Nubian) Language was also a Bantu language sharing a common ancestry to Nabta Playa sprachbund in the eastern Sahara. See Alan Gardner, Cheik Diop, Dr Obenga, Fergus Sharman
It is a very interesting theory that is brought very well and as stated may solve quite some issues in the current chronology. The implications would be pretty substantial as well for many disciplines. No doubt a lot of dendrochronology is based on the current datings. A piece of wood related to a king is used for the denrochronology as we though to know the king reigned from this till this date. I would think that there must be some wooden objects around that may point in a lack of overlap for 300 years during this period if it exists. If however, part of the confusion in that field is solved by this theory, that would make a very strong argument. It is certainly worth to put research into.
Personally I believe Pharaoh Djoser was in Joseph time, Thutmose 1 was pharaoh of Moses birth. Think about it all the other are jus educated guess based on some items found, which we know kings was notorious for propaganda concerning loses, then you have the Bible which never had to be dug up or found, still exist today, it’s just man not wanting to give the Bible credit because they afraid to give legitimacy to Gods word
Dr, Rohl is absolutely correct. The whole chronology as expounded by Petrie is out by at least 300 years. The was no Greek dark age , and if there was it couldn't have been longer than 50 years. Read Peter James on this.
You mean the man who just recently openly showed he has zero regard for laws and ethics by using the White House as a prop and filling it with a crowd during a pandemic? Yeah,.. he is a bit divisive. It is sad to see so many historians have little interest in Weimar Germany and the similarities in political indoctrination methods used. It obviously works.
@@chubbymoth5810: Yep, that's the guy. Sort of a similar issue. So many people can't see the problems with ancient chronology because of their entrenched views ... and the same goes for Trumpism.
The reliable constant throughout all these several thousand years is the number of days in a year. This interval of time has varied very little from 2000 BC to 2000 AD. A schedule of historical events exhibited along a 4000 year timeline Is the only way I know will make time visible. When historical events are plotted at one inch equals one year, if they are plotted on paper, the paper would be 334 feet long. That length could be broken down into seven scrolls fifty feet long. Each of the scrolls could be stretched across seven rows of seven tables, each, each table being eight feet long and two feet wide. On each row of tables would be displayed 600 years of time. Once the myriad historical accounts are plotted one above each other along a common timeline, a best fit consensus has hope of being reached and may be further refined over the years ahead. I recommend not attempting to do this on digital mediums.
And you completely ignore that the compilation of the Bible also changed the place where the Israelites live from Everest to the city of Ramses which didn't even exist at the time that they left Egypt. But the Israelites were more familiar at that time with the name of Ramses so that was used instead of AhMosess, who would have been a much more probable pharaoh of The Exodus. Ramsey's might have been around when the Hyksos expulsion occurred. But that does not appear to have been consistent with the Exodus of the Israelites. Do 1450 actually is a much better time frame, which allowed the weakening of Egypt so that the Hyksos could invade and rule Egypt for about 100 years and then be expelled. So I don't agree with the timeline as stated here. Too many people constantly conflate the Hyksos expulsion and the Israelite Exodus. And they think just because it's in the Bible that is Gospel. No it isn't. It was not unusual to edit the Bible to make it sound a little bit more recognizable.
This antagonism seems common in many of the classics, where more conservative academics resort to accusing more radical folk (especially those outside academia) of "just wanting to sell books". Maybe if academics lowered their prices so that we mere mortals stood a chance of affording to read them, their ideas would get as much attention as the more radical ones? Seriously, some of those books cost over £200 each. I'm lucky that I work in a university, so I can use the library but I still don't get to request new books, so many traditional scholars are out of my reach too unless an academic has already had it stocked.
@@andybeans5790 The self righteous academic reaction to Dan Gibson,s thoroughwork on the quibla is a case in point! Also TIK on his revisionist review of WW2 is well worth a viewing!
So what is his end point / conclusion? Can someone just tell me this? I'd Greatly Appreciate it👍 Cause it just seems like a whole lot of nothing/talking.
There isn't really an end point. Rohl creates a chronology that overlaps the reigns of Egypt's kings as if they are mere rulers of city/states in Egypt. He does this in order to force Egyptian history into conforming to his literal and wooden interpretation of Biblical chronology. Yet, some of the compressions he makes forces there two be two different kings ruling as king from the same city at the same time. Does that make any sense to you at all? It also destroys/ignores something like 39 snycrotisms between Egypt and other nations.
An example of the synchronous ‘elision’ of royal houses which have been interpreted in diachronic sequence rather than as contemporary with each other and so which generally corroborates Dr. Rohl’s work is to be found in the book entitled ‘The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings’ by Edwin Thiele. The result is a huge ‘tuck’ in the timeline of the Book of Kings/Chronicles as the kingdoms of Samaria and Judah (and for a short while a third Ephraim (?) ) with their different conventions for dating royal succession are put side by side and end up making complete sense of the biblical narrative.
Of course no research about the interpretation of who the Pharoah of the exodus was would be needed if the Bible writer didn't omit that seemingly fundamental piece of information!
I find your work work very compelling. There is only question I have. If David is mentioned in the Amorna then the Philistines must have been around then, Akhenaten, comes way before Ramesses (who is supposed to have moved the Philistine into Caanan) . Is there evidence of Philistines in Caanan at the time of the Amorna letters?
Since about 1600 a generation is considered 15 years. Yet in times past all cultures considered a day to end with upper limbus of sun at sunset till the next sunset-, just as a "generation" was set in stone. Yet the 7 day cycle is not astronomically linked but a repeating sequence of 7days. Why?
Yes, it will change the history of the world. Especially Mesopotamia and Anatolia. Explain the Babylonians king who sent Amarna letters. Or the Hittite king who sent Armana letters. Speaking of the Armana letters why do the letters refer to the Pharaoh as "My Lord" if they came from Hebrews. Why is the king in Jerusalem asking the Pharaoh to send troops from Ashkelon and Lachish. So many holes so little time.....
Ti illustrate the impact of changing the chronology of the Bronze Age, use a similar times ale fir the sat 1400 to 2000 period im Eirope. ? So you get WW2 around 17th C?
# Words:. Clarity, Logic, Accuracy, *"Authentic Academic Content",* and PROGRESS ! *Mainstream Academic/Archaeologists Paradigm, "based on a 19th Century Theory", is Flawed, the Paradigm and their Timeline does not meet the "Standards of Science and Research"*
Wow thank you I feel enlightened I never believed in the dark age people don't just forget how to read and write. This answer a lot of questions I had about history
@Gary Allen I mean sure but that’s it likely to happen to such a large degree. Also what evidence do we have today to know that Greece at the time had issues with food?
One question I have for Rohl's dating of this stuff. He places the exodus before the coming of the hyksos. I have heard that the invaders brought with them chariots which the Egyptians did not know of, yet the Exodus account refers to 600 chariots in Pharaoh's pursuing army. I'd be interested to see if anyone could address this
There are chariots that are thought to date back to the old kingdom in Egypt at their Tahrir square museum that could date as far back as 2686 b.c. which is far older than the 16th century b.c. that's quite a time gap between the two wouldn't you agree?
@@mr.graves2867 Another question I have....the Philistines seem to show up in the period of the judges. This fit in nicely with the original dating which placed ramses 3 as the guy who beat them during judges and moved them into canaan. If ramses 3 would be much much later, who did he beat, and where did the philistines mentioned in judges come from?
@@fredgibson9006 actually the philistines are first mentioned in genesis 26:18 as far as that goes, history says that they were originally from Crete, but if the philistines had similar beliefs would simply assimilate into that part of the world or would have built ships to return to Crete, most warrior seafaring people have a rudimentary sense of ship building and repair so there's really no reason that they would have settled in a unknown land away from family. I hope that answered your question let me know if you have any other questions I love this subject. God bless you and yours
I started following David Rohl when I saw his movie Pharaoh's and Kings. It fascinated me because it was revolutionary and most of all logical. Then Patterns of Evidence blew me away. I think he brings the correct and sincere understanding of biblical archeology
I've done 30 years of genealogy. It's amazing how much old erroneous info people will just accept and repeat and it's nothing but a huge house of cards. NEVER assume the older "experts" have anything correct. EVERYTHING should be reevaluated.
So in other words can’t believe you either thanks for that
You might like this one. 😁
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@garyallen8824 there is actually a difference between a change that updates a paradigm and a change that breaks the paradigm.
@garyallen8824 example. Zahi hawass the dude is probably the prime example of the dogma of archeology and egyptology
I find Dr. Rohl fascinating. I love history, but he brings so much energy to it, he makes me love it anymore.
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I'm a huge fan of Dr. Rohl. In the last 8 years I have watched every video, purchased his books and studied his work, along with other books from historians and universities on Egypt. and I believe his new chronology makes the most sense. I think he is correct that the Bible is a historically accurate document and his alignment of it with the pharoahs makes the most sense to me. Thank you for providing this interview..
As a Christian, it is really cool to see someone who isn’t a Christian or a Jew defending this view.
Thank you so much for highlighting the work of David Rohl. More people need to hear of his work. I have been a fan of his since I saw the "Pharaohs and Kings" Discovery Channel special back in 1995 when I was a History undergraduate. I have kept up with his research over the years. Sadly the "accepted chronology" is far too ingrained into academic scholarship that I think it will take some massive archaeological find change the old paradigm unequivocally. There is just too much academic scholarship based on the old model and historians won't support any idea that puts all of their own work into question.
How about the Temple of Solomon in Tyre? It's still there! Built in 911BC by King Ahaz when he married Jezebel Queen of Sidon, which means Kingdom of the Fish, the Phoenician Symbol for fish is X, as in the Phoenician Sun God Symbol. Mlqart is Echmun, son of Baal and Astarte, his sister is El Gebal Tuna, who rides a Donkey. East and West, the 2 headed Eagle. It's also where Enoch hid his 36,525 scrolls, under pillars of Gold and Emerald, the colors of East and West. Echmun is the God of Healing, Asclepius, Apollo, Serpentis, 13th Sunsign of the Babylonian Zodiac
You actually made my "Makes you Think" playlist. Almost no RUclips historical channels have made that list. Thank you for tackling the tough subjects.
Veronica Cawelti BAM! That’s what we strive to hear! Thank you!
Veronica my thoughts exactly
Dr Rohl l'auteur d'un travail sérieux dans toutes ses découvertes
Pharaohs and Kings: A Biblical Quest was shown on tv back in 95 i bought Dr.Rohl's books this shouldn't be an new idea? The man is a credible egyptologist it has been a long time since he has challenged the old chronology model! and still nothing? I Have got to admit on my behalf the guy convinced me ,if i were him 'make noise then more noise and keep making noise till at least somebody on the academic side of his profession listens ,seems a tv programm and many books on the subject have not worked if anybody doesn't understand listen to the man watch this great interview go buy one of his books on the chronology alternative ,you don't need an open mind he hits you with facts.
Unfortunately he is facing huge resistance from scholars, because its not fitting their and especially their funders agenda.
Making a possible true claim that there is an evidence that the bible represents history, can make religions prosper again. well they probably dont want that to happen.
Older Egyptologists, bible researchers and middle east researchers are being told that everything they learned in college, all their research, books, papers and lectures are wrong. Naturally you would reject the premise that your whole existence has been misguided. There are intellectual reputations, funding, lecture fees and book/paper royalties on the line. How many books on the subject are simply going to be tossed on the scrap heap?
On the flip side, some of the points being made and also supported by evidence are startling. And in the search for truth, facts are stubborn things. Other researchers are saying I can confirm this and this too. Rohl did make a crack in the dam. Time and pressure from new researchers with open minds will cause the dam to break.
Years ago I read a paper from a fellow at MIT and I recall it stating that solar flares affect radiocarbon dating.
Everything affects radiocarbon dating, including volcanic eruptions and large wild fires.
Fascinating! Have him on again, addressing his critics.
I meet David Rohl. He was lecturing about his book - A Question of Time. Brilliant talker. Thank you. He signed his autograph in my copy and have been a fan of his since then. Do read the book, it's a fascinating book with lots of pictures you may find very useful as you become ensnared by this brilliant archeologist.
Sorry, it is called The Test of Time. My silly mistake, sorry. 😞
@@maryearll3359 All good, we all make mistakes. 😊
Just want to say thanks for all your hard work and effort in providing this channel.
I love how Rohl accepts the biblical history without having to believe in the God of the Bible. Too many skeptics foolishly deny the entire historicity of the Bible in order to deny God.
I really appreciate Dr. Rohl and his interpretation of the timeline, it really puts things in perspective some what for me.
The more I learn of how Egyptology was formed and the decisions they’ve made not only in dating but acknowledging the true age of the civilization and it’s correct representation according to finds made the more I’ve seen has to be done to correct enormous mistakes that knowingly have been passed as facts and truths
I do not agree with most of David,s ideas but he did wake people up to the fact that Egyptian and Levantine history needs to be re looked at and the current facts do not quite add up.
It’s always great to hear a new perspective and as science has taught us, we should never be married to the ideas we’ve been taught. I hope more historians and archaeologists look into it and come up with an academic consensus.
Gary Allen i wouldn’t use the term marriage as that implies an emotional connection to ideas, and emotion should have no place in science.
I do like his take on the Trojan War and it’s connection to the Sea Peoples. It makes sense that if you have a culture or several cultures investing heavily in a conflict against one another, others can see this as a time to strike and take advantage. People that may have been kept in check by the Mycenaean Greeks could have used the Trojan War and it’s aftermath as a means to further their own conquests or raids or what have you. I think we see something similar with the Arab conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries.
It would be really nice and best to have all these explanations as Rohl's background voice and images of only colorful timelines that would have moving arrows, the stretching and shortening of dark ages, an opening from a specific point in the timeline showing real, on-the-field excavation images to take the whole video frame, then back to the timeline and so on; all of this as David Rohl is explaining. And those graphic timeline and dark ages matching with other nations' chronologies and with Bible chronology.
I feel much better without the dark age in my past :)
Great interview! Love your work guys
Thanks, guys! Having heard David's other videos, I finally had the energy to pick up "The History of the Ancient World" by Susan Wise Bauer, but got a far better read of it because David had made me aware of the possible discrepancies, time-wise. It was a fascinating book (a lady author will bring questions about things like harems that a male author probably wouldn't even think of!), and David's views added great, great depth to it.
I am a nuclear engineer. "Right on" argument. If you still have any interest in using radio-carbon dating, try dating a diamond.
The darkest place is under the candle. Good video. Thank you.
Well said
I like your quote
I absolutely love learning more about the Bronze Age Collapse. Great video !
@34:55 The remark about having to offer an alternative is pervasive in our modern culture and has always bothered me. When someone... anyone, identifies a fault, logical fallacy, or senses something is not right, they SHOULD speak out. And, as a result of that, it offers up an idea or a thought to someone else who may well be able to offer an alternative. Assuming individuals must posses the knowledge of perceiving something wrong AND specify an viable alternative is simply choking off the power of the combined knowledge of the group.
It doesn't just choke off the power of the combined knowledge of the group, it is an effective way to lock in the "accepted truths" against any serious challenge, no matter how much evidence the challengers have.
Requiring challengers to "specify a viable alternative" to the accepted Egyptian timeline, depending on how they define "viable" and "timeline", can mean re-interpreting all the archeology that was previously interpreted and established as "history" on top of that chronology. That would effectively be like requiring the challenger to rebuild 2 centuries of work (since 1820s) that took hundreds of archeologists working in teams over the decades (with billions of grant dollars) to do.
It is more than a Herculean task, it is near impossible, and that is why those errors stay locked in place for the foreseeable future. But it doesn't stop me from learning about this and telling people who are willing to hear. I just don't expect academia to do any of that for us, especially since academic "science" is currently being destroyed by a corrupted peer-review system and being purged of anyone with a truly open mind or who earned their position through merit instead of having the correct immutable identity.
I don't expect any of the existing institutions to have any "revolution" of honesty and humility any time soon. They're too busy undergoing a revolution of the opposite nature right now.
Do you think he produced Walk Like an Egyptian? Bad joke aside, I love listening to material like this because it helps validate Biblical history as presented in the Bible. People die for a lack of knowledge, so may God use this knowledge to give life to more people.
Big fan of David Rohl's chronology since 1978. Here's a thought: If Labaya means Lion of Yah, then that is rather close terminology to Lion of Judah, the title of David, Saul's territorial successor (not counting the ineffective Ish-bosheth/Baal). This might suggest that David adopted Lion of Judah from Saul to cement the break with the Northern Kingdom.
10:03 This was the rabbis' fault who translated that word to "Ramesses"; I am sure Moses wrote it as "Avaris" in proto-Sinaitic.
Remember that it was primarily one extended Family of Habiru which went into Egypt and evolved into Israelites, as there were other Canaanitic Habiru left behind, the language issue makes sense.
Ever since I saw David doing a lecture in Brighton, East Sussex, when he was launching his book "Legend" and he signed my purchased copy, I have always known that he is so logical, which the establishment is definitely not. The Boat People before Abydos, is just pure logic!
That link with Virgil... How did everyone in academia seem to miss that? How could Virgil have been so wildly off about dating the Trojan war (off by like 300 years)? Like people should have almost even laughed at him for suggesting Aeneas and Dido could have been contemporaries. I can't believe nobody noticed this!
Egyptologists say that the advent of the eight spoked chariot wheel was the beginning of 18th dynasty. The wheel was superseded by the six spoked wheel within a relatively short period of time.
Through archaeological finds, including an Egyptian eight spoked chariot wheel; discovered on the seafloor of the Gulf of Aqaba, (Red Sea); we can from this knowledge determine that the Exodus must have occurred around the time of Thutmose II, and from this time period we can calculate back to when Joseph was born and when he was taken in bondage to Egypt, c1890 and c1873 respectively. In c1860 at aged thirty he met with the Pharaoh Amunemhat III.
Moses would have been born in c1553, at the time of Pharaoh Apepi (1573 - 1549BC),
Moses fled from Egypt, c1513BC, (Pharaoh Thutmose I - c1528 -1492BC), and he returned to Egypt forty years later in c1473BC,
New Kingdom Tuthmose II/Hatshepsut (c1492 - 1458BC}
The so called chariot wheel that was discovered was "discovered" by a Charlatan named Ron Wyatt. He fabricated and lied about things in his video. Don't trust any of his stories just because it gives you confidence in your book.
@@blusheep2 Wyatt’s claims valid or not do not invalidate the findings.
@@ktrimbach5771 They kinda do if they are Wyatt's findings. Wyatt lied about what he found. Be it the bricks that blocked the room to the ark of the covenant which he carved himself... they had no patina on them, to the black topped mountain near the "site" of the 10 commandments which he said was the only mountain around with a top like that, when a simple google earth study will show you that 100s of square miles are black topped mountains.
Dr. Rohl makes a good case.
It’s the only chronological book that remained in existence up to today, all the others, Egypt Babylon all had to be dug up, it should’ve one of the most premiere books on historical records,
Can I handle the truth? Sure, easily. But which of these conflicting hypotheses is the truth? We cannot know that until someone invents a Time Machine.
Edit: There sure are some very interesting coincidental matching names in the Amarna letters and the Bible. I loved that part.
Edit2: Very good! I really smelt something (almost rodent-like) when I first heard about that 300 years of total blackout. This new chronology makes much more sense. The peoples of those times never did 'just do nothing' for centuries after a destruction of a city.
Amarna letters: how do you make David c. 1300 and Solomon c. 800? Nope, impossible.
So many learned experts.....so many learned opinions....no answers.
What is the evidence in support of the new chronology? The intention seems to be to coordinate known historical facts with events as described in the Bible but that is not how history and archeology are done. Almost without exception, the events in the Bible were recorded hundreds of years after the fact.
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The precedent set by the book of Genesis is that many cities were called by the later names in events that were chronologically earlier than the event of the city being given that name. Bethel, Beersheba, and Edom are just 3 examples. Rameses would follow this pattern.
I think that this archaeologist, Dr. Dr. Rohl, is one of the few who knows what he is talking about.
Archeology as a discipline has no problem with Biblical History. On the other hand, the problem is with archaeologists their bias with the Bible. These have agreed to establish chronologies that cannot be reconciled with the Biblical stories of the conquest in Canaan, even from the exodus from Egypt.
i love your channel and dr rohl is awsome
100% agreement on need for reconstruction after deconstruction.
The present period I think has fallen victim to an ideologically charactered critique and method in the form of ‘postmodernism’ which tends to destruction only.
I find this quite interesting even using the Bible and listen to other archaeologists on RUclips on their assessment of going back to Akhenaten the second for is The Exodus Fierro this is even a new pretty credible as well new chronology for Egypt has essentially the rest of the world thanks this is great stuff
What he said about the Greek “dark ages” blew my mind
Cabeiri Celts > Minoans> Phoenicians > Greeks > Scots, Irish, Welsh, Nordics, it's a migration of the megalith builders from Iberia and Brittany as they sought the rising sun. They were the Pharoahs of Lower Egypt, again driven out by Thera in the 14th century, the battles of Tutmoses III Conquering Megiddo are analogous to Joshua Conquering Jericho, it's almost 1 to 1
So interesting. Makes sense.
How many scholars have you heard of just say well I was wrong, they would loose money in the books they wrote.
Great Scholarship and very absorbing 💯%
Ok, Ok, OK.... so where do I find a chronology that I can use ?
I just saw this video. great video. I've read "lords of avaris" and "from eden to exile". both great books with massive appendices. I think David Rohl is exactly right in his chronology, based on the facts. The archaeology with the wrong chronology has shown not that it didn't happen, but that they're looking in the wrong time. so they have missed the proof based on false assumptions. like shoshenq
It’s very interesting and fresh look on dating and chronology. In Greek centered world there were never wide spread theory on Dark Ages I would attest to that. From another side, the whole ‘Civilization Collapse’ theory of Dr. Cline is tight to Egypt, Israel and Hittites. Why not consider the rather possible point of view about regionality of the decline - something that we observe all the time - empires and civilizations associated with them do raise and fall. Greek history and Egyptian history only intersect, but not tied together. Egypt was highly insular civilization and Greek inland history is very self centered. They have their own chronologies and we shouldn’t every time we are missing factual evidence of the periods try to neatly tied everything together. We speculating about potential events with very loose time frames and it’s very easy to get persuaded as very little evidence exists in the first place.
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If it is any consolation Dr. Rohl I read your books in the 90s and 00s and found the logic of your chronological argument compelling from the outset tho’ I am not an academic.
Another approach to confirm arguments it seems to me is by use of probability theory - or rather using Bernoulli’s probability theorem.
This is an approach used by Dr. Gerald (sic) Hawking in his book ‘Stonehenge Decoded’ where - to memory - twelve separate factors aligning to support a systematic explanation have a probability against chance arrangement of the order of over a million and a half to one.
Another scholar - and one I believe of genius - who uses the method is Thom in his ‘Megalithic Sites in Britain’.
To my mind use of the theorem most usefully will confirm Thiering’s ‘Pesher’ interpretation of the N.T. where so many different different interpretive systems bear down upon each sentence and sometimes a single word.
David, I’ve read your works 5 years ago,and asked some of my really smart friends to debunk it.They could not and became bigger Rohl fans than me.But no one knows you exist other than a small group.Go on Ben Shapiro or Joe Rogan,or Lex Fridman.You could start a real debate.You are getting old .Hurry.
(9:59) Rohl explains the misuse of Exodus (1:11)
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I agree that we shouldn't restrict ourselves too much and treat older scholarship like dogma, but I can't say I agree with Dr. Rohl's overall assessment. The world of the Amarna Letters and the world of the Book of Samuel simply don't line up for me. The entire point of Saul's kingship is in reaction to oppression from non-Israelites in Canaan. The Book of Samuel and Judges go to great lengths to list who exactly was oppressing Israel and when, but the Egyptians are never mentioned. Instead it cites the oppression from the Ammonites as the reason for Saul's rise to kingship.
The Amarna Letters paint a very different picture however. There Labaya, whom Dr. Rohl identifies with Saul, is totally subservient to the Pharaoh of Egypt, as is his son. If Labaya is indeed Saul, that would mean that during the entirety of his reign (however long it was) Israel was under Egyptian suzerainty. This makes the Book of Samuel's constant references to deliverance from Egyptian oppression under Moses incoherent. The Exodus is treated in the Tanakh as a defining moment in which Israel was forever delivered from the oppression of Egypt and the prophets make a very big deal out of that. Under Dr. Rohl's model however, there would be a rather significant chunk of time between the reigns of Thutmose III to at least Merneptah, if not Ramesses III, where the people of Israel where vassals under Egypt that the Books of Judges and Samuel are entirely silent on.
This, in my opinion, is not something the Tanakh would, or even could, ignore if it indeed happened. As far as the Tanakh is concerned, Israel was delivered from Egypt's oppression through Moses, and Egypt never ruled over the people of Israel again until the exile and the voyage back into Egypt referenced in Deuteronomy 28:68. This extended period of Egyptian rule over Israel by the New Kingdom during the time of the Judges and early monarchy throws a wrench into the Tanakh's entire message in a way that the Tanakh itself never acknowledges.
Just because Shishak and the Pharaoh have similar names, does not mean that they are the same person!
And then you discover that the hypocoristicon (short form name) of Ramesses II was Shisha!
@Ario: I dispute the use of the words 'accurately dated'. The archaeological evidence dates the eruption to the time of Thutmose III, not the Hyksos Period. There is a direct conflict between the calibrated 14C date and the archaeological date.
@heilige Einfalt: Did I say that the Exodus and/or Conquest took place in the reign of Thutmose III? No, I didn't! You are getting confused, assuming that the Exodus and the eruption of Thera were contemporaneous. Again, I didn't say that, nor do I believe it was the case. The Exodus and the destruction of Jericho occurred long before the eruption of Thera.
@Ario: At last a proper, intelligent response. Thank you! When I spoke to Manfred Bietak and Peter Yanasi about the Helmi pumice in the 1990s (I was there at the time they were excavating the workshop in which the pile of pumice was found) they were convinced that it dated to early Thutmose III (i.e. the coregency period). If they have changed their opinion, it looks like an attempt to reconcile the discrepancy between the scientific dating of the eruption and the archaeological date. I was told that the workshop was in a stratum that lay above a sequence of scarabs from Ahmose to Thutmose I - all in the correct historical sequence from bottom to top. As Bietak continues to say, there is only one stratum containing Theran pumice, and that is the stratum of the workshop which Bietak dated to the mid-18th Dynasty and which was above scarabs dated to the early 18th Dynasty. All of this is 'above' the Hyksos strata and later than 1500 BC, as per most of your quotes. The question is by how much ... and I tend to go with the archaeologists' conclusions at the time of excavating rather than twenty years later when they are trying to find a compromise between the two dating methods.
@heilige Einfalt: There is nothing in the Theran eruption that is consistent with the Exodus narratives. The most obvious point being that the sequence is completely reversed! An eruption would have caused the plague of darkness first, not ninth. I place the Exodus at the end of the 13th Dynasty, which is immediately before the arrival of the Hyksos. Jericho was destroyed towards the end of MB IIB which is in. the Hyksos period. Ahmose besieged Sharuhen, not Moses or Joshua. The Israelites did not go to Tjaru/Sile, hey crossed the Yam Suph slightly further south at Pa Khara (biblical Pi ha-Khiroth).
I am speechless. I'm so smitten with his immaculate bible knowledge. I'll be looking at his research but it seems like he fixed a chronological issue everyone knows exists but no one can fix (due to Acedemia not taking the bible seriously). So mindblown.
Is the real reason non Jewish cultures reject the old testament as a history book is because it's Hebrew/Jewish? Acts 16:21 is why Christianity was changed into a legal version for Romans. Other cultures may forbid anything that could be labeled Jewish.
Several researchers seem to have good reasons for suggesting Amenhotep 2 as the Exodus Pharoah now - I assume that uses the new chronology?
I love the use of human lifespan/ generations to give a perspective on time. It gives real appreciation of otherwise “deep time”. Like rock and roll, it’s got a beat you can dance to.
Great video, I have been a fan of Dr. Rohl for many years since I was a history major in college and since my graduation as well. On a side note I think the Ramses as the Pharaoh of the Exodus is interesting as in my family's church they always just said Pharaoh, and not ever as Ramses. So to my perspective this was a new thing to me when I learned some considered him to be the Pharaoh.
They have invested lots of work, effort, time and money for the timeline as it is now, the history books, online material, etc still make money for them, and also their reputation is at stake.
Okay, so when are they going to say "enough, we are going to honor the truth" and do a long due revision of the Egyptian chronology?
Hmm, quite Interesting, this. 🤔👍 (unrelated) 😃Anyone know where I can purchase that mug🤩
Has anyone a link or similar discussion of Dr. Rohl's views on Akhenaten. I have always wondered if he had been heavily influenced with some limited understanding of the events during the exodus that would have influenced his departure from polytheism so completely.
If Dr. Rohl’s chronology is correct. Akhenaten is a contemporary with Kind David and lives 400 years after the Exodus. And again This would make some sense because you find Psalm 104 written on the walls in Egypt. Archeologist say that David lifted 104 from Akhenaten and Akhenaten is the first monotheist. But if you use Rohl’s new timeline Moses introduces monotheism into Egypt, Akhenaten learns of the Exodus story and starts a monotheistic religion because of the Exodus stories. He learns of David’s writings and writes them down in his temple.
The Pharaoh of the Affliction is Apepi I... the Pharaoh of the Exodus is his son Apepi II of the Hyksos.
Ancient Egyptian language was actually a Bantu Language. The Meroe (Nubian) Language was also a Bantu language sharing a common ancestry to Nabta Playa sprachbund in the eastern Sahara.
See Alan Gardner, Cheik Diop, Dr Obenga, Fergus Sharman
So what David is saying is that his first chronology was wrong. Who is to say this new chronology is right?
It is a very interesting theory that is brought very well and as stated may solve quite some issues in the current chronology. The implications would be pretty substantial as well for many disciplines. No doubt a lot of dendrochronology is based on the current datings. A piece of wood related to a king is used for the denrochronology as we though to know the king reigned from this till this date. I would think that there must be some wooden objects around that may point in a lack of overlap for 300 years during this period if it exists. If however, part of the confusion in that field is solved by this theory, that would make a very strong argument. It is certainly worth to put research into.
Personally I believe Pharaoh Djoser was in Joseph time, Thutmose 1 was pharaoh of Moses birth. Think about it all the other are jus educated guess based on some items found, which we know kings was notorious for propaganda concerning loses, then you have the Bible which never had to be dug up or found, still exist today, it’s just man not wanting to give the Bible credit because they afraid to give legitimacy to Gods word
Dr, Rohl is absolutely correct. The whole chronology as expounded by Petrie is out by at least 300 years. The was no Greek dark age , and if there was it couldn't have been longer than 50 years. Read Peter James on this.
I'm not sure I could make an accurate guess about Moses' mindset, in the period between the time he didn't know of the coming danger, and the point at which he pushed Pharaoh so hard to listen to his warnings, that he ended up among the prisoners/slaves, who were most likely the people who were later called "Jews". Whatever the case, the "official record" leaves much to be desired, in so many ways. I would love to talk to Dr Rohl, and if that is possible, I would appreciate any assistance. I think he's got the right idea. The period
When we talk of the "waters parting", it could be as simple as a raised area in the seabed, deeper on one side enough to contain the the water cul-de-sacced at one end, the other pulled by an extraordinary tide, revealing the ridge allowing passage. How wide would it have been? Several hundred feet, maybe, to half-mile maximum, The Great Rift takes a right turn, where the Gulf of Aqaba enters the Red Sea, offering a convenient site. At the "southern" end of the Gulf of Suez, such a possibility exists, with shallow water at the sides, and only a 5 mile stretch where the water would have been much deeper. Still, a five-mile slog through what had to be three feet or more of mud would have taken the starch our of even a strong man. It is unlikely "640,000" Jews crossed the Sea of Passage, regardless of "rabbinical doctrine". The US Army couldn't get that large a crowd over in less than a week, and the idea of the waters being "stayed" longer than a matter of hours, or a dozen, is unrealistic. I suspect life was very tenuous, on the strand, and however many actually crossed, the band of survivors endured trials that beggar description, even by modern man's ability to create hell and exhibit inhumanity.
Is it possible the "Canaanites", whom the "Israelites" (Moses' band) clashed with, until they "drove (them) out" in Joshua's time, were the Egyptian lower classes, who'd fled east across the Sinai? They could have travelled north of the lava flow stretching 100 miles "south" to the Sea of Crossing, where the "Israelites" had gathered, unable to go east, and intimidated by the huge pile of (probably) still steaming (lava) rock that stretched farther than a man could travel in a day. The "wandering Jews" probably feasted on the fish beached by the waters' departure, and doubtlessly-violent return, for some time.
I see the account of Moses on the Mount, and the Ten Commandments as an effective way to corral humans into behaving themselves. The common good was more important than one individual's wants or urges, and rules were necessary to impose general order and normalcy. The events that had driven these people to this desperate place were titanic and deadly. Nothing galvanizes the human spirit so much as the possibility of Death, and not always in the best way. In some, it brings out heroic effort and noble activity, but in some it brings out the beast and the worst.
The (modern) Bible's story of the "plagues of Egypt", was not a localized sequence of catastrophes, but worldwide and widespread. These very probably included the Santorini eruption, and tectonic activity off the scale. Volcanic activity was repeated around the globe, as the Earth "groaned" in protest, lava pouring over the landscape, triggering other problems, that rippled outward, multiplying and joining, until the sky was soupy mix of volcanic ash, smoke from forest fires that consumed vast areas, and dust filled with debris that ranged to large objects. Winds gusted in varying intensities, from Gale Force to far beyond Hurricane E-5, affecting every continent and sea. There wasn't a safe place on Earth, and no small number of "places" (of human habitation) disappeared, completely. The death toll would have ranged to 90%, average, some species wiped out completely.
The small band of proto-Israelites (there were undoubtedly a good number of actual Israelites, including the astrologers who'd instructed Moses). He had probably learned their craft as a boy, watching sheep through the night, as we're told in "Bible stories", so he was able to understand, when they began talking about something that "didn't belong" (my interpretation), a body that was moving in ways it shouldn't, on a path that was beginning to look like it was headed for the same point in space occupied by our own planet. I think these ancient astrologers were aware of Earth as a planet, moving around the Sun.
All of today's apocalyptic-evangelists take their inspiration from the events of Exodus-through-Ezekiel, the 780-year-long series of "visits", possibly by the same author of the events described in Noah's Flood, the Tower of Babel story, and the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the AE's second-favorite source. The latter reads like a meteorite strike, Lot's wife being turned to "salt", by the explosion of a unique meteorite that released so much energy, on a narrow band, it effloresced her body, removing all liquids, sorta like a microwave burst, leaving only the solids. These stories are the highlights of Genesis, a compendium of the memories of those woe-begotten survivors camping on the "eastern" shore of the Gulf of Suez. Directions are in quotes, because, to these people, the world had new directions, including the one the Sun came up in.
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Is anyone going to mention Dr Immanuel Velikovsky?
I have know David since 1992 /1993. We fell out recently overTrump. But he certainly blows wide open what can be a dusty subject
Oz 2 you knew him when I was a toddler! Haha! That’s a long time as I’m 29 now.
You mean the man who just recently openly showed he has zero regard for laws and ethics by using the White House as a prop and filling it with a crowd during a pandemic? Yeah,.. he is a bit divisive. It is sad to see so many historians have little interest in Weimar Germany and the similarities in political indoctrination methods used. It obviously works.
@@chubbymoth5810: Yep, that's the guy. Sort of a similar issue. So many people can't see the problems with ancient chronology because of their entrenched views ... and the same goes for Trumpism.
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The reliable constant throughout all these several thousand years is the number of days in a year. This interval of time has varied very little from 2000 BC to 2000 AD. A schedule of historical events exhibited along a 4000 year timeline Is the only way I know will make time visible. When historical events are plotted at one inch equals one year, if they are plotted on paper, the paper would be 334 feet long. That length could be broken down into seven scrolls fifty feet long. Each of the scrolls could be stretched across seven rows of seven tables, each, each table being eight feet long and two feet wide. On each row of tables would be displayed 600 years of time. Once the myriad historical accounts are plotted one above each other along a common timeline, a best fit consensus has hope of being reached and may be further refined over the years ahead. I recommend not attempting to do this on digital mediums.
And you completely ignore that the compilation of the Bible also changed the place where the Israelites live from Everest to the city of Ramses which didn't even exist at the time that they left Egypt. But the Israelites were more familiar at that time with the name of Ramses so that was used instead of
AhMosess, who would have been a much more probable pharaoh of The Exodus. Ramsey's might have been around when the Hyksos expulsion occurred. But that does not appear to have been consistent with the Exodus of the Israelites. Do 1450 actually is a much better time frame, which allowed the weakening of Egypt so that the Hyksos could invade and rule Egypt for about 100 years and then be expelled. So I don't agree with the timeline as stated here. Too many people constantly conflate the Hyksos expulsion and the Israelite Exodus. And they think just because it's in the Bible that is Gospel. No it isn't. It was not unusual to edit the Bible to make it sound a little bit more recognizable.
Yay David!
Excellent interview with him btw!
Told ya. He’s such a charming man. Agree with him or not he’s really a classy funny talented kind hearted guy.
I could not agree with you more!
My brother's and sister's we can't let Egypt steal African culture 🧫 we have to educate this generation of black students period 💯 true fact's 💯 true
Right on like anybody who thinks Egyptians built the great pyramid is out of their mind.
Seems interesting even though Ken Kitchen called this redating 100% nonsense.
What was his reasoning?
Care4A JellyBaby, that’s what the academy says about every new theory that threatens to topple their applecart.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 Yeah, sure ... XD their well payed positions demand it... Rohl makes more money selling books though, so...
This antagonism seems common in many of the classics, where more conservative academics resort to accusing more radical folk (especially those outside academia) of "just wanting to sell books".
Maybe if academics lowered their prices so that we mere mortals stood a chance of affording to read them, their ideas would get as much attention as the more radical ones? Seriously, some of those books cost over £200 each. I'm lucky that I work in a university, so I can use the library but I still don't get to request new books, so many traditional scholars are out of my reach too unless an academic has already had it stocked.
@@andybeans5790 The self righteous academic reaction to Dan Gibson,s thoroughwork on the quibla is a case in point! Also TIK on his revisionist review of WW2 is well worth a viewing!
So what is his end point / conclusion? Can someone just tell me this? I'd Greatly Appreciate it👍
Cause it just seems like a whole lot of nothing/talking.
There isn't really an end point. Rohl creates a chronology that overlaps the reigns of Egypt's kings as if they are mere rulers of city/states in Egypt. He does this in order to force Egyptian history into conforming to his literal and wooden interpretation of Biblical chronology. Yet, some of the compressions he makes forces there two be two different kings ruling as king from the same city at the same time. Does that make any sense to you at all? It also destroys/ignores something like 39 snycrotisms between Egypt and other nations.
An example of the synchronous ‘elision’ of royal houses which have been interpreted in diachronic sequence rather than as contemporary with each other and so which generally corroborates Dr. Rohl’s work is to be found in the book entitled ‘The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings’ by Edwin Thiele.
The result is a huge ‘tuck’ in the timeline of the Book of Kings/Chronicles as the kingdoms of Samaria and Judah (and for a short while a third Ephraim (?) ) with their different conventions for dating royal succession are put side by side and end up making complete sense of the biblical narrative.
Of course no research about the interpretation of who the Pharoah of the exodus was would be needed if the Bible writer didn't omit that seemingly fundamental piece of information!
Israel's Exodus from Egypt: 1606 BC
By old chronology.
@@ktrimbach5771 - biblical, consistent with the whole context of God's Word
I find your work work very compelling. There is only question I have. If David is mentioned in the Amorna then the Philistines must have been around then, Akhenaten, comes way before Ramesses (who is supposed to have moved the Philistine into Caanan) . Is there evidence of Philistines in Caanan at the time of the Amorna letters?
I was very disappointed his books are not on kindle or audible. 😢
Agreed. It would be nice if he read his books on Audible. I love his voice.
Kudos! to David Rohl giving a shoutout to Immanuel Velikovsky!
Since about 1600 a generation is considered 15 years. Yet in times past all cultures considered a day to end with upper limbus of sun at sunset till the next sunset-, just as a "generation" was set in stone. Yet the 7 day cycle is not astronomically linked but a repeating sequence of 7days. Why?
15:41 Based on what David Rohl is saying here, archaeology as a profession, discipline and science nowadays is quite messed-up.
Your best video yet!!!
Thank you
so if there is 300years shift then what about the beginning of egyptian early dynasties , pyramids etc.. !? this will change a lot
Yes, it will change the history of the world. Especially Mesopotamia and Anatolia. Explain the Babylonians king who sent Amarna letters. Or the Hittite king who sent Armana letters. Speaking of the Armana letters why do the letters refer to the Pharaoh as "My Lord" if they came from Hebrews. Why is the king in Jerusalem asking the Pharaoh to send troops from Ashkelon and Lachish. So many holes so little time.....
I got bogged down in this, a lot to follow. Is he saying the 300 years shift is earlier, or later?
Ti illustrate the impact of changing the chronology of the Bronze Age, use a similar times ale fir the sat 1400 to 2000 period im Eirope. ? So you get WW2 around 17th C?
# Words:. Clarity, Logic, Accuracy, *"Authentic Academic Content",* and PROGRESS !
*Mainstream Academic/Archaeologists Paradigm, "based on a 19th Century Theory", is Flawed, the Paradigm and their Timeline does not meet the "Standards of Science and Research"*
Yes even the 480 year is also a lunar year. So it is 465 solar year and not 480. That makes the date of the exodus as 1431BC
I love this chanel, but why is the intro music so load??
3147 a.c. La Promesa ..3122 a.c. Nace Isaac ...2941 a.c.Jose gobernador Egipto....2932 a.c. Jacob en Egipto....2717 a.c. Exodo......
Thanks for this - great stream
Great Video!
Joseph is imhotep thats what id like to know is he i think he is outta what ive found out
Wow thank you I feel enlightened I never believed in the dark age people don't just forget how to read and write. This answer a lot of questions I had about history
@Gary Allen I mean sure but that’s it likely to happen to such a large degree. Also what evidence do we have today to know that Greece at the time had issues with food?
One question I have for Rohl's dating of this stuff. He places the exodus before the coming of the hyksos. I have heard that the invaders brought with them chariots which the Egyptians did not know of, yet the Exodus account refers to 600 chariots in Pharaoh's pursuing army. I'd be interested to see if anyone could address this
There are chariots that are thought to date back to the old kingdom in Egypt at their Tahrir square museum that could date as far back as 2686 b.c. which is far older than the 16th century b.c. that's quite a time gap between the two wouldn't you agree?
@@mr.graves2867 thank you! I love this potential view of the exodus.
@@mr.graves2867 Another question I have....the Philistines seem to show up in the period of the judges. This fit in nicely with the original dating which placed ramses 3 as the guy who beat them during judges and moved them into canaan. If ramses 3 would be much much later, who did he beat, and where did the philistines mentioned in judges come from?
@@fredgibson9006 actually the philistines are first mentioned in genesis 26:18 as far as that goes, history says that they were originally from Crete, but if the philistines had similar beliefs would simply assimilate into that part of the world or would have built ships to return to Crete, most warrior seafaring people have a rudimentary sense of ship building and repair so there's really no reason that they would have settled in a unknown land away from family. I hope that answered your question let me know if you have any other questions I love this subject. God bless you and yours
@@fredgibson9006 You mean Ramses the 2nd? Just wondering :)
Good Stuff thank you