Forgiveness: It’s more radical than you think | Chris Stefanick Show
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- We live in a world where anything goes, but nothing is forgiven. (We even have a new word for it: “cancel culture.”)
Amazingly, a lot of Christians (even Catholics) believe there are people out there who shouldn’t be forgiven.
So in this episode, we reflect on:
-What real forgiveness is, and what it’s NOT.
-Why forgiveness is meant to be total, no exceptions!
-How to forgive even the most horrific sins.
If you’re struggling to forgive someone else or even yourself, you’ll take away a lot from this episode.
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Forgive but don't let the snakes come back to bite you again if your honest heart believes they are still snakes. Therefore bear in mind what they did so you dont drop your guard - as also you ask God to forgive them for the sake of His Glory and not satan's.
Thank you Chris. The example you gave about being next to Jesus on the cross looking down and seeing the ones that harmed us and forgiving them, asking Jesus to forgive them and letting go, is beautiful. God bless you and your family🕯🕯🕯👐⚘
Difficult to obey.
I find that hard to do (because they DO KNOW what they DO!,I guess I have a lot of praying to do. God help me for the sake of Jesus sorrowful passion to forgive them and forgive myself- so that you can forgive me, and have mercy on them and the whole world. Amen.
Actually, in this video there is one mistake or rather misconception that forgiveness means not demanding the justice. No! This is a completely false idea. I free you from the debt. Well, if this was true, then after murdering someone people who forgive will demand to set the prisoner free or jails would be empty. In the justice and sentence - or the demand for justice - there is an element of mercy, too. You simply let the person who failed to understand the weight of the sin and to repay, if possible. For example after having your money stolen, you can and should demand your money to be returned. This is not pedagogical for the sinner to say "I free you from the debt". In the sacrament of reconciliation you have also an element of repairing the wounds you have caused, to the extent that is possible. To say sorry and try to repair is just an element of justice but also of mercy - you change your heart while doing it!
Great example of mercy+justice was relationship of John Paul II and Ali Agca. Look, saint JP II forgave the men who wanted to kill him, but he never demanded to set him free from the prison! So the debt he had was not erased. I mean, this would be both not respectful, not rational and not pedagogical.
Mercy and justice go hand in hand sometimes and not demanding justice is also not being merciful towards the sinner who needs justice to learn, to understand his mistake and to repair it. The justice is also a form of mercy towards the wounded. For example, if someone was sexually abused, it needs to be named criminal, it needs to be penalized. In the environments where those crimes are tolerated, men who abuse young girls continue to do it, but just change their victims or places of abuse. I mean, demand for justice sometimes is the form of protection of another possible victims. if you name it and penalize it, there is a chance it won't happen again, especially if the person would have to go to jail.
So I am a HUGE OPPONENT of understanding forgiveness as lack of justice. Of freeing someone from the debt. Those are completely two different things. Forgiveness means not looking the REVENGE and not trying to hurt the person who did hurt us. However, it does not mean freeing the person from the responsibility!!! It would give them freedom to sin again again without consequences. As Father Dziewiecki says, that would be the least merciful thing to do - to let person sin again.
I recommend everyone who would like to know more on the topic a book of Catholic priest Jean Monbourquette "How to forgive", who says, that not demanding justice is the opposition of real forgiveness. It sometimes is an act of cowardice and it enables the opressor to have more power over victim that he/she should have. He shows the justice problem on many examples, which show that not fighing in a good fight (not demanding justice) can lead to the greater sins, greater wounds and greater mess in the families and in the society, because sometimes our love should be tough - it can be the way that other person learns how to treat other people. We have to remember that this pedagogical aspect is actually a positive thing; we care for the truth and the truth is, that human dignity should be protected at all cost. So being too easy in letting the thing go can actually mean laziness or weakness, not the merciful heart. Especially if we talk about abused girls, stolen properties, adultery and other serious sins. Then justice is a real deal. And it does not mean we don't want to forgive. We just want to treat ourselves and our kids seriously.
Even God created this world in a sense that accepts justice as natural law. After serious sins, like abortion, people would eventually have natural consequences like nightmares and huge grief that needs healing. This is a natural element of justice that in internal element of human nature and it is meant to correct our behavior, it has its role in our lives.
Very well written, and that would be the ideal thing, but people will be people. Once they're grown up, IF they didn't mature there's no way we can change them. Even if we admonished them in Mercy and love and "demanded Justice", people can only change by the grace of God. And through our prayers and much sacrifice for them, maybe offer masses needed for their repentance and conversion, because the evil one has a foot hold for them. Just my thought..
FORGIVENESS is impossible! Humanly speaking...FORGIVENESS is DIVINE! WE NEED HELP to Forgive! So, we must 'ask for it' from 'THEE ONE' who came down to teach us how to LOVE = Jesus. When we ask for the 'power to Forgive'...HE will give it to us immediately. So thank HIM, after asking for help...IMMEDIATELY! Then, pray for your person(s)...for the salvation of their souls. It can be something as simple yet powerful as One Hail Mary. Then, drop it! Move on. We are so weak as humans, that Forgiveness peels like an onion and takes time. Something may come back 'to remind us' of a wrong done to us. Ride it like a wave. Again, One Hail Mary, for the conversion of that soul(s) involved and move on. As 4 saying that Jesus 'wasn't always nice'...'Nice' is confused with; 'Frank'. Jesus was/is PERFECT! He scooted out the people as their 'Faith' was poor or lacking and inhibited the miracle that was needed. How many times did Jesus say: "Do you BELIEVE that I can do this?" And this is the 'why' behind so few to 'no miracles' done in His own home town. When someone wrongs you and you 'make excuses for them' this is PARDONING and this is LOVE. If we can think; 'Perhaps this person has done this due to all the pain in their lives...', is this not what we would have 'others do unto us?'. Who says 'we don't deserve...etc.' One venial sin could never be erased in a lifetime of a thousand years, if we remained on our knees the entire time and prayed to expiate our 'one venial sin'. Our sense of proportion is waaaaaaaaay off, compared to the 'debt we owe Our Good God' and what we 'THINK' we are owed in this life. Waaaaaaaaaay off. God Bless! P.S. The Beatitudes help keep us in focus with perspective in life. They are KEY!
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Thank you Chris, I really needed this for something and someone important in my life that I need forgiveness from. Thank you and may GOD bless you abundantly!
This talk on forgiveness is amazing and much needed for me to hear tonight. Thank you, Chris Stefanick. God bless you.
I forgave the man who beat me; I thought he would kill me. It took 2 years to do it with God’s help, but we are on good terms and I remember the good, not the bad. Nevertheless I have been diagnosed with PTSD. I don’t think about it at all but if someone seems to be threatening in some way fight or flight kicks in. I’m not thinking of the incident just fear. It’s uncontrollable and I don’t think of anything but escape. I had to be told what was going on.
Sorry, to hear that. Inner healing is needed. May Our Lady comfort you.
@@akitajapan1651 thank you, but I assure you, by the grace of God, I have been able to forgive him and move on with my life and we are on relatively friendly terms at this point
@@teresa5654 All praise be to Jesus
Not trying to be difficult, but why do you think Jesus included the words "for they know not what they do"? In a way, isn't that kind of like making an excuse, which you said is what forgiveness is not?
I feel that Jesus would have asked the Father to forgive them even if they DID know what they were doing... so why include those words? Just something I was thinking about.
Yes, we should forgive but we can’t forget sometimes when we don’t discern if it’s Satan, using our free will first John chapter 4
What do you do when the person who has done the wrong completely stopped doing it but will not say they're sorry or acknowledge what they did this is very hard
I have just come across your videos - Love your work Chris. Thank you so much for caring what happens to our souls. God’s work through you is so very helpful. I tried your meditation - SO POWERFUL! Thank you 🙏🏻
"Serving time for someone else's crime" 🤔 I've never thought of it like that... I'm a forgiving person to a fault, but what you just spelled out, I have serious 1% examination to do. Saying "I forgive you," and doing it are vastly different.
There ought to be a book entitled "The Art of Repeat Offending." They (the offenders) know how to pervert and exploit Christian interpretation of forgiveness to keep doing and getting what they want, while laughing about it.
I think most of the time what is being abused is not the forgiveness but the lack of courage to get away from the situation.
Amazing episode. God bless you
FALSE IDEAS ABOUT FORGIVENESS:
You thought Jesus died for you on the cross and you are saved if you repent and follow his orders?
They told you , but not enough ;)
There are the demons. Are you ready to deny your family for Jesus? Are you ready to deny everything for Jesus?
No? You failed ;)
Much of what you say is true.
But we must not confuse Forgiveness with Forgetfulness. We may forgive the past but to forget the lessons of History would be foolish or even wicked. We must use Wisdom to tamper the urge to forget and Prudence to know what must not be forgotten. The only other small danger in your epistle of Hope is the strain it could place on suffering to forgive others before we have time to forgive ourselves. Humans may need time to heal completely and pressure of expectations can lead to greater suffering which provides false forgiveness.
Apart from these two possible problems...a well provided video. Thank you
I'm suffering to forgive, for the sake of another loved one. it's affecting my health...
I see your point... I may fall under that false forgiveness. So hard to make a radical forgiveness.
We will not enter heaven unless we forgive everyone and deal justly with everyone. So hard but with God everything is possible.
Our family LOVES Fr. Geraci. Amazing person I'm so glad you had this experience. It's a gift to us as well. Great story.
They say: “God works in mysterious ways”. I believe this because I see it constantly. My family is going through a dark moment, and this video literally shine over the rest of the videos I was browsing, not looking for it, and you have answered the issue for me. I feel in a better place to help them, all those around me and myself. Don’t ever stop doing what you love brother, because I can tell you love doing this show. Big hug to you and your love ones. God continue to bless you!
How can i pretend to forgive when i don't? Am i going to hell because i cannot forgive doctors who reduced me to a virtual vegetable by deliberately inflicting brain damage? If i am poisoning myself and my desire for Justice is killing me i am sorry i am SORRY it doesn't make the pain and hurt and crying go away
PRAISE BE TO GOD! THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL VIDEO! :)
I was once told to take my catholic bs and to leave, in which I did not respond but also didn't leave. She had developed cancer and had fund rasisers for her and I attended but I did not approach her as to not upset her she eventually passed away and today I asked God to please let her greet me in heaven to let her know how much I forgave her and she was loved by God. Amen
Ultimate forgiveness, is praying for someone’s welfare to get closer to Our Lord
Sometimes we attempt to justify others actions or our own. We enable the behavior not having the courage to confront it. Either we were not brought up in that manner or we have to much pride and arrogance, maybe naive.
As we grow in scriptures we will be transformed with a new mind becoming like Christ. He will give us wisdom and courage to confront evil and forgive with his love and Mercy.
Some don't WANT forgiveness
So good, and well spoken. I love honesty, it's refreshing and the church needs it. We all need it.
I really needed this message... thank you Jesus!
Wow i love that last part about asking the Father to rip out the page of the person who has offended you the most. God bless you Chris
Thank you for this video 🙏. I really needed this. God bless you 🙏
They LIKE to recriminate
This was extremely helpful to me at this time in my life when I am struggling to forgive. Thank you for laying out what forgiveness is not. And for pointing out what it is exactly. To cancel the debt owed and to ask God to forgive the one who has hurt you.
I am now able to forgive truly without excusing or reconciling with the person if he or she is not trustworthy. To want their good and look upon them as created in God's image and called to holiness.
Thank you, Chris.
Unless we forgive we are not forgiven. Simple as that.
Thank you for this.
Antithesis is ALWAYS antithesis
So, we should let paedophilles live? No. Never 😠
I do pray that these monsters repent. But I think it only right that they be executed if found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
It’s cathartic……heaviness on one’s shoulders is relief……..praise God for forgiving me everyday ,my thoughts, deeds…….go to one’s knees beg for forgiveness Thank God all his holy goodness…..Amen
Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤
WOW this is God answering a prayer for an answer I have been begging for THANK YOU CHRIS 🙏✝️🛐🙏✨🌹✨🕊️
So good to hear another Catholic endorse sobriety. Sadly, this is really rare amongst Catholics and it’s tough for me because I’m a sober person and a Catholic. Bravo Chris!
The visualizing example at the end was brilliant.
Thank you! 🙏🏻
The more I listen to you the happier I am for you. You are chosen, God helps you, God shows he loves you. Your peace is great. You can and do handle life. God protects you. I can see and feel God next to you. Your children are lucky have you.
The Twitter comment environment (nosedevil social-engineering and deception) is now gradually changing.
If we learn to forgive we'll learn many sanctifying virtues.
People like spouses that we love that have been abused by people who we “used to” love make it more difficult doesn’t it
Outstanding! I was moved by that last example.
I am just Overwhelmed with emotion right now!!!
Does anyone know what day this was live? I have been trying to get on the live show for the last three weeks and haven't been able to.
How to forgive Narcissists? When everytime I forgive them they make worst sins. Like my covert Narc sister, she never ask for forgiveness. I forgave her even but what shes doing now is sinning more because as she say “God is Merciful”. Im really having a hard time with her right now. I see that everytime I forgive her she’s walking towards Hell.
Going through something similar. A narcissist sister- never apologizes, continues to insult and fight, not a woman of prayer. In these cases they both need lots of prayer or an exorcism in order to convert.
Very hard to forgive and to let go. Even if my Will wants to- the mind doesn't!, I choose to forgive 70 x 7, but then should I also asked God to give me amnesia??.. just being sarcastic, but it's the only way to not remember. 😓
Thank you for sharing your meditation 🙏
Amazing! Thank you - God bless
You must want forgiveness to be forgiven!
Very good topic ,we need to learn to forgive like God does❤
This is really good, thank you!
I want to sigh up to the lessons on forgiveness for advent.
Thank you Chris! 💜🙏💜
Thank you lord you die for me.
Are these meditations going to be on the Amen app?
Fabulous message ❤
I hope that makes sense.
Thanks Chris.
Temporary. Miracle? Toxic stay away
I think what he means is the effect of them is for a time, ex: your cured of an illness, but it returns later on in life. but the impact of it is everlasting; it grows our faith. Our real life begins when were in heaven with Jesus.
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Great talk.
Is there a sound issue? Could be my phone.
Sounds is fine..? Maybe your phone?
It does seem to come in and out.
Christ forgives us when we repent or if we’re ignorant of sin. Forgiving without those conditions is self-serving licentiousness that enables the sinner to continue sinning. Christ didn’t forgive the other thief, or Judas, or those who brought him to Pilate.
I think you’re discussing “reconciliation”. Christ forgave on the cross his offenders but that didn’t mean that they participated in that forgiveness . If we are sorry God forgives in the sense that he mends them relationship we have with him brother
I am not referring to reconciliation; that occurs after forgiveness, if at all. You said “if we are sorry,” so you acknowledge there are conditions to forgiving. One must acknowledge the debt, or be ignorant of a debt. Forgiveness without that is nothing but pseudo-moralistic preening.
I’ll add another point: if we are to forgive regardless of circumstances, then righteous anger does not exist and justice is not a virtue. This doctrine of false forgiveness makes victims of grave sin recoil from Christ, and rightly so. Making yourself feel better by “forgiving” the deliberately unrepentant is unloving to the sinner, because it perpetuates his sin, and it’s contrary to the faith. If this man is correct, then Jesus was in error when he whipped the merchants. Is Judas in hell, or is he not? Why is he unforgiven?
Don't confuse things. Christ always forgives those who are truly sorry and seek His forgiveness. Had Judas humbly repented and sought Jesus forgivenss- of course he would of forgiven him! But instead Judas was self loathing and too proud to ask it. The bad thief was complaining of his cross which was justice for him and he failed to trust in Jesus. So please don't make Jesus look like unforgiving.
Christ did not say anything to the other priest. We don't know his outcome. And Christ did not give any condemning words to Judas. We don't know. I'm sure Christ would want their return to him
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God bless Mary Ann Williamson. Forgive just go with New. Age Reiki