Best Sur Ron Ultra Bee Upgrade? 18/21 KKE Wheel Review
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2023
- If you're spending considerable time on the trails or track, no doubt you've questioned what to do about the factory tires. We take a deep dive to discuss the KKE 18/21" wheel setup and a few factors to consider before you spend the money.
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Brilliant review of the KKE wheels, very much looking forward to your new wheel spacer options 👍👍
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Watched many of your Ultra videos. Thank you so much for awesome informative videos! You're one of the best Ultra reviews out there on y.t. I watched so many useless videos.
Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the kind words...Glad to hear the vids were useful for you!
Best review I've seen on RUclips on the 18/21 KKE wheel review!
Thanks for watching
Love it buddy ❤
Keep up the great videos
Nice technical review.
Thank you for all your help and vids. I actually saw the tool on your ultra bee ,walk around video. Called the bee box a little electronic device. Is that a diagnostic tool? And what does it do? I got the Chinese version also with the lights and blinkers actually get a little more for your money.
I think they’ll be putting that wheel set up on my bike for sure. In the future..
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Ah I understand now. That’s for making adjustments from a mobile device. I haven’t used it because there isn’t an English app. Hopefully soon…
Thanks for the great video I think I’m going to order the KKE wheel this week . I was wondering what you think of the wheel since you have been riding on the 18x21. You where skeptical about the spokes. What do you think now are they really good quality , have you been happy with them so far are the spacers and the fit all perfect the way they come. I see there’s a few other people that sell the wheels but they’re more expensive and I don’t know what the difference really is in quality. The price is right for the KKE think that’s the way to go ??? Flow makes a nice wheel but I don’t think for the ultra bee yet what is the difference of handling if someone was to keep 19 on the rear and put 21 on the front ? 8:48 What’s your feeling on that?
You end up with a wider rim if you go with the 18” rather than the stock 19”. That is something consider alongside the obviously taller sidewall for off-road use.
No issues with the spokes. My comment was mostly just that they don’t appear to be 304 stainless as they claimed. No issues with spoke strength or tension yet. Have about 25 miles of singletrack on them so far…
Thank you for the info
Any time!
Nice video! I subscribed! I sheered the valve stem of the rear due to the wheel slipping in the tire. The stock tube was thin garbage. I installed a rim lock on the stock rear rim and put a much better tube in. This is just for now because I’ll definitely do the 21/18. I’ve always ran Excel rims on my bike so I’m curious how good these are. Question, does the traction control still work on your bike? I see you still have the speed sensors so it seems like it would. Everyone says it doesn’t, but you have the speed sensors still. Thanks for the video?
No, the traction control does not presently work. The sensors and speed rings are in tact on the bike because we're prototyping a solution. But as it stands, the TC is defunct.
@@StoltecMoto I have an update. I am running the 21/18 combo and the ASR works perfectly. Even nicer than it was before. At A1, you can pull a half wheelie before it regulates it down. At A2 it doesn't allow for wheel spin/wheelie but there is no significant power loss. At A3, there is about half the power.
I run Michelin Trackers, 80/100-21, 100/100-18. So the front tyre is definitely bigger, ASR stil works.
@@MrMrMrMrMrT can you measure the circumference of your tires?
I have this same upgrade wheels…Do you have any suggestions about adjusting the gear ratio settings to get the trip and speed accurate? Thank you
Try this: ruclips.net/video/FbQZAfRgX2E/видео.html
Thinking about this upgrade for my Ultra Bee. Was wondering if you had a chance to do a little more range testing?
Good question! We’ve done a lot. Short answer is range has been in the 19-30 mile region with the normal being right about 25 miles. However, like all electric vehicles, there’s more to the story. We just took some fresh footage about our local terrain and a recent hare scramble…subscribe to see it…should have it up within a week.
I have had my Ultra Bee for about a month now, and I love it, but it seems really stiff over rocks and bumps. Sometimes even a fire road feels too rough, I haven't experienced this on any of my dirt bikes in the past. Is the fix for this changing out the factory tires?
The other question I have, is why do the forks get tweaked out of alignment so easily? I had a friend lay the bike down pretty mellow and I had to loosen the triple crown to re-align everything. Had to do it 3 times now, also never happened on my honda dirt bikes.
Thanks for any help! and good video
How much do you weigh? Have you set the sag? Ditching the stock tires helps because they have relatively short sidewalls that can bottom out easily if the air pressure is too low. On the other end of the spectrum, running high enough pressure to save the tubes and rims will degrade ride quality A LOT.
The forks do tweak easily because they are such a small diameter (37 mm). As you probably already know, most modern dirtbikes are running 48 mm sliders (though 43 mm forks are out there). Based solely on our own experiences with our bike, we generally realign them without loosening anything (like a bicycle). Stand over the front wheel, brace with your knees, and twist the bars until you're happy. It's one of the UB's endearing qualities!
I have never tried before but what would happen on wear and ride quality if you kept 21/19 or 18 while riding on pavement?
On one hand, the 21” front will roll easier over pot holes and the like. On the other hand, it’ll steer a little slower due to the extra gyroscopic effect and will be a little less responsive over bumps due to the extra unsprung mass.
It would not be the end of the world, but I’d certainly avoid wearing out good knobbie tires on the pavement…
Anyone doing a 19x2.15 rim for these yet?
Hello, have you noticed a drop in battery life, with the 21' and 18' wheels?
Not really. The terrain has the biggest affect on range where we ride. Plus, the tires on this bike maintain the stock diameter (rear) and are on the lighter end of the spectrum. If you start running full size moto tires (i.e. width and load range), the weight jumps up and you'll see a hit for sure.
Any updates on the traction control function for the 21/18 wheel sets? Will it ever work with them on? I have the Warp9 wheel set though.
We have a prototype setup that has been working very well. Needs another tweak, but hoping to have something available soon. Trying to wrap up other projects first.
Sick! I'll be keeping my eyes out for it on your website. I. bought your hand guard spacers for when I swapped to my Acerbis hand guards. Small purchase but they did their their thing right. Will it work with Warp9 or other wheel sets or only KKE?@@StoltecMoto
@@StoltecMoto Please keep us updated on the traction control... Could you share a link to the IRC tires you're using? I'm trying to find a setup that allows me to keep the stock sprocket without sacrificing low-end torque. You mentioned that with your current setup, the low-end snap wasn't significantly affected. Thank you in advance!
@@y2k1307 Here you go: ircmoto.com/collections/enduro/products/volcanduro-ve-35f-ve-33
Thanks again for your great videos on the ultra bee !! How do you feel? The difference is in handling and performance with the 21/18s on the bike do you feel it’s worth it for sure what rim size is on the front and back width wise compared to stock wheels. So did you figure out, how to set traction control with that setup.
I also have another question unfortunately my bike do not come with the diagnostic tool. Is that a must do you know actually what it does.? Also I’m like a bit heavy like 235 pds what air pressure do you feel should be in those front shocks??? At my weight ? On the ultra bee? Also on light bee . I live in N.Y. And I am trying to find out if I can get the ultra be on the register for Rd use. I ride mostly dirt sometimes I’ll be riding on the road to get from here and there locally probably still the same thing if I can register it. Street a bit more. I am contemplating on putting Cinco to 41s on the front and rear for now till I decide if I want to put 2118s on the bike do you know much about those tires and if you do do you know if they are good on the trails I know it’s a trail Street trails tire pretty well we can’t have, but just want to know your feelings on that if you know that information. Thanks so much stolec moto!!!!!!👍🤙
Thanks for watching. I'll do my best to answer all your questions
1. If you're riding on the trails, the 21/18 setup is 100% worth it. I could argue that some bmx/pump/mx track setups might not be as critical, but if you're looking to roll up over rocks and logs, the 21" front is a huge improvement.
2. Stock rims are 19x1.4. These are 21x1.6 and 18x2.15.
3. TC solution - not yet, but in the works.
4. Not sure what diagnostic tool you're talking about. We didn't receive one either...
5. Forks aren't air spring like the Light Bee. They are coil spring.
6. I haven't used those Shinkos before. Being a trials-style tread pattern, I could see that helping on the rocks. However, since they are DOT, that throws a lot of questions into the mix about grip offroad. I run DOT tires on my dual sport, and while they work better than a non-knobby DOT tire, they still don't compare to a non-DOT knobby.
7. As far as setting the forks on your Light Bee, you'll need to grab a helper, gear up in your riding apparel, and hop on the scale to set sag. Shoot for about 66 mm to get you in the ballpark...assuming your LB has the air fork.
Never mind I think you answered my last question a week or so ago , sorry and thanks again. Let me know what products you make for the ultra be, that little spacer in the brake levers is great got the same setup good prices for good product. I would rather spend my money with the somewhat smaller company’s like yours. I know your passionate for sure it shows. Peace , thanks!!!
@@robertbalter183 right on, glad you got your question answered!
@@StoltecMoto Great info man!
I wish the frame was black and the plastics all matched. Id buy it for sure. Think ill stick woth my talaria for now
I have a vinyl matte black black wrap that ill be trying to cover up the white pieces. Gonna remove the decals, hand guards and wrap the headlight and front fender matte black, put street tires on the stock rim and see if I can get away with it being an "ebike" LOL. Here in Florida I used to ride quad bikes through south miami and homestead with little issue so im pretty confident this bike will be the ultimate freedom machine!
@@CrossWindsPat I'm actually going to fort Lauderdale FL roght now like an hour away going to gritshifts shop to repair my broken motor.
@@MotoAlias Ha no way small world! Hope they fix you up right.
Hey man! You seem pretty well informed about the ultra bee. I have a problem, when it comes to the sur ron app. I downloaded it and made an account on the sur ron web page (did not work to make account in the app). So when I try to log in the app, it says I need username and password. Problem is, I never got the option to make a username, only mail adress. Do you or anyone else here have an solution?
Tubliss is madatory here in the PNW, on my Husaberg fe501, running goldentyre Gt216x gummy rear, and gt 216aa fatty front 9psi front, 6-8 rear.
I haven't tried that combo yet. How's the life?
@@StoltecMoto : front is tough as nails, the rear is super soft, and has traction in all the wet rocks roots, and logs. But if you spin allot, it disappears quick. The upside, is even with the knobs worn down, it's still soft/grippy, because it's a trials compound, with offroad tread.
@@Trad-Am These might be my next set...either on the Sur Ron or the gasser. Appreciate the recommendation. The IRC rear on the Ultra still has lots of tread, but of course, no hard edges. The front still looks brand new, even after about 50 hrs...
@@StoltecMoto : definitely try the rear 216x gummy. The 216 aa fatty front, might be overkill for the suron, it's wide, and tall, and rolls over everything like it's not there. Works great on the 500, though! Oh, shinko has a cheap 216 front knockoff, of the GT 216 front, I think it even say 216, but it sheds knobs I hear. The real one is hard to hurt!
@@Trad-Am The fatty front sounds good for x-country and enduros on my Husky. Soon as I kill the MX33, this is looking like the hot setup.
Did you need new discs / sprockets as well?
Nope. All transfers over.
Can you swap light bee hub in
It’s not a direct swap, and I wouldn’t recommend it. The Ultra Bee hubs are beefier for more strength and durability.
Yeah they had some for the lbx
👍🎄merry Christmas
So no rim lock?
We did Tubliss on these wheels, which has a rim lock integrated. We had to drill another hole to accommodate this, but that's standard fare.
I believe soft terrain tires like the Michelin Starcross will save over a pound per tire. The power and speeds of this bike won't wear as much as with gas bikes.
200 lbs. for this bike is unfortunate. But it's at least a good starter bike or a good solution to noise issues.
The Starcross are certainly good tires worth trying. As you say, they are known for the low weight (though at a higher cost). However, the narrowest rear is 110/100-18, which based solely on size is wider than the IRC VE33). Good luck getting actual data from the manufacturers, so would need to do a side by side comparison to measure dimensions and weights...
@@StoltecMoto SuperMinis run 19/16 inch combo. Maybe a good 16" with superior grip will be good enough and light enough
@@ottokirk2325 for the right terrain, absolutely a great solution. However, for the terrain we ride locally, the difference between a 19 and 21 is pretty substantial in terms of roll over. There is also the side effect of a greater gyroscopic effect at higher speeds that helps the bike track well over the larger trail trash. Where the bike used to deflect, it now holds a line. Back to back, the 21” is preferred on our trails.
How about the traction control? Can you adj.for a different size of wheels.?
Actually, you bring up an interesting question. You can adjust the speedo read out to compensate for gearing and tire changes (as you know). Not sure if that will have any affect on the TC performance. We’re snowed in at the moment, but good idea on something to experiment with when the trails are useful again.