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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2024
- Redeemed Zoomer Gets LGTV Affirming Pastor To ADMIT This
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John 5:24 ~ Timeless truth I speak to you: “Whoever hears my word and trusts in him who has sent me has the eternal Life, and he comes not into judgment, but he moves from death into Life.
Honestly I think you missed the best clip of this entire debate near the end:
Perry - "Have you really thought about what its like to be queer and to hear that a part of you is sinful?"
Zoomer - "I may not be queer, but I know that every part of me is sinful, because that's what the bible tells me. And there's not a single part of me that doesn't need to be corrected with the Word of God and with the Spirit of Christ every single day. And that's the Gospel"
Exactly! We are all sick with sin. Jesus is the only cure.
@Whatintheworlt Secular Judaism.
@Whatintheworlt Queer as in Queer Theory, which is a critical theory. So yeah.
They assume "born this way," but it's actually "tempted this way."
Even if they were “born that way” (which I don’t believe) they would have “die to self and be born again”
nah we are all born sinful. Original sin sucks
"Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
It is both, you are born with a sinful nature, and your flesh and the spiritual world tempts you to commit it.
The key is the "pastor", doesn't appeal to the bible. He just sees sad situations and thinks he knows the prescription better than the doctor/creator.
Amen!!!
Redeemed Zoomer is one of my favorite Christian channels. I learned so much from him, and he helped me gain so much knowledge about Christianity, history of Christianity, and Christian apologetics since becoming a Christian in September of 2023. 🙏🙏
Woohoo!! Welcome to the family! I know it’s been a little bit, but coming to Jesus always deserves celebrating!!! ❤
If you like him, check out Zoomer Historian.
@@welcometoWWW
That guy is just wrong about history.
@@ladosdominik1506 True Christians would not support Israel. They clearly abuse the authority they have been given by God over the gentiles. The deception.has been going on for a while now. Use your common sense. Radio, TV, now internet. Ever since information has been scaled to the masses with _rapidity_ and coupled with progressive info overload, it is not hard to believe that the things that tend to be mainstream will be flat out false. You must be wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove. The things that are worldy will naturally be mainstream. Narrow is the path towards truth.
I'm not Calvinist but I enjoy most of RZ's content and appreciate what he's trying to do in his own denomination and mainline denominations.
He is absolutely correct that it's not a part of yourself that YOU can change. That's the whole point of Jesus saying 'the sick need a doctor' instead of 'the sick just need to try harder to get better.'
Oooo amen to that
"He offed himself because he felt like the world would not accept him" funnily enough, being separate from the world is part of being christian.
My little sister is proof that people can come out of the same sex lifestyle and have a fruitful and healthy family. Before she was saved, she was a lesbian in the party life and now she has 3 children with her husband and they have been married for 6 years.
If you truly surrender everything to Jesus, He changes everything in you, for the better, always.
That's far more common with chicks. They say it's rude to call it "a phase," but for lots of girls, it is. For dudes? Not so much. Still can become a monk and live a life of asceticism.
What's kinda interesting is that the CIA as part of MK ULTRA did a lot of experimentation on sexuality and changing it in someone by various 'therapies'. These therapies usually involved anything from drugs, to hypnosis, to borderline torture. But the conclusion was that......yeah, sexual orientation and attraction CAN be changed in someone by using various methods.
Sexual fluidity is a real phenomena, and affects mostly women. Usually they go from straight to gay, but can be the other way.
I'm sorry but Jesus didn't die for us to be happy, but so that we can live. Happiness is here today and gone tomorrow.
I'd say that our happiness directly corresponds with how much we fulfill our nature, which is to be in relationship with God.
You should know “blessed”, in Greek “Makarios”, is equivalent to “happy”. That’s why other translations of the sermon on the mount, instead of “Blessed are those”, they use “Happy are those poor in spirit”, “Happy are the peacemakers”, etc. We are also called to rejoice (be intensely happy) in the Lord.
He died for our eternal salvation, not so we can live on this planet, though following christ often leads to a better life, it's not without its consequences.
@@glassworks4850Blessings. I agree that μακάριος does mean happy but it also means fortunate or at least in the context of Matt. 5….its more of divine privilege or favored especially by the Lord. In other words the passage could be read “Favored are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven”. Hope this blesses you. Happiness is based on happen-ness. The Lord has called us to be Holy(mature and whole) in Him. May we grow in the Grace and Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. May the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
@@mrvramos87 base on your definition of Makarios, we are all the more called to be happy in God, rejoicing in the Lord, because of this divine privilege. Jesus desired that His Joy may be in us, and our joy will be full (in Him). When some brothers say that "God calls us to be holy, not happy", I say they are making an unhelpful distinction. Because being holy is being all the more Christ-like, and being Christ-like is being inexpressibly happy in God as Christ is happy in God the Father. You can't divorce the two or else you remove the substance of holiness.
They always claim that the self deletion is a result of "not being accepted". Our society is the most accepting now than ever before. And yet.....the rate is the same now, if not worse.
Much, much worst, unfortunately.
It's just painfully obvious. The Gospel offends and disgusts. He just hates the Gospel. "To say a core biological part of who you are is sickness..."
Exactly it’s pride and arrogance. If the words of Jesus offends you, you don’t get to change his words so you can feel better about yourself💯
Thats a point that needs to be said more. The fact that core biological parts of us are sick and need healing. Just because something is "biological" or "natural" doesnt mean it is "good". That is naturalism vs supernaturalism. We in christianity believe in God and that he can perform wonders and that we are not slaves to biology under him.
@@vociferous777 to me it's more of the "authentic self" argument. That if you're not allowed to be whoever you are at your most easy and frictionless self, succumbing to all your temptations and desires (except for the ones that they will eventually place not on themselves but on others only), then that's harmful. This is obviously false. Greed and selfishness are much more seamless and natural than charity and self sacrifice. Satisfying your own bodily desires even if it's potentially at the expense of someone else is much easier than abstaining. All these things are anti Gospel and obviously false. Just catchy advertising slogans.
The self-deleteting of the LGTV is more a feature than a bug. They can practically swim in a sea of affirmation and acceptance and still do a Kurt Cobain reenactment because at the end of the day, you can't lie to your own soul.
Why are you both saying "LGTV"? I don't recall seeing that spelling. Is it due to censorship?
Well said!! 💯💯💯💯
@@eugenetswongyes, love
With so much rainbow acceptance and promotion, youth offing themselves is now a major problem, where it never was before.
Anyone who tries to say acceptance saves lives is deluded or lying. People need to be loved as human beings but not affirmed in sin. Persuading someone to NOT repent is never loving, and it's very spiritually dangerous.
@@eugenetswong Yes it is. But kudos to LG for making high quality TVs! 😂
Jesus delivered me from bisexuality✊🏽✝️♥️
The "pastor" on the left (ironically), that affirms 1 specific sin just gave license to all sin. I have struggled with lust from time to time; less and less the closer and more consistent my walk with Christ goes... but I'm not perfect and I've "relapsed" before. So it's a "core part" of my identity huh, because I cannot perfectly and 100% never ever do it again therefore I need to accept it and give in? No? Just the 1 sin that just so happens to have certain ramifications certain people want to exploit? Uhuh.
Christ did eat with sinners.
Christ also destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah in person, in His pre-Incarnate theophany in Genesis.
Not that many people realize that’s Jesus 🥵
Proof?
@@cbr274the physical manifestation of God burned down Sodom and Gomorrah.
Who is the physical manifestation of God? It's The Son. The Son is eternal.
@@joeyn985 That not proof, just another baseless claim
@@cbr274 what? Are you a bot? Who are you talking to?
Insane response!!! This “pastor” just called Jesus’ words violence
If so, it is necisary violence, here to fight for/ win our hearts and save our souls. He said that "I am not here to bring peace but a sword", and he is the word of God/ sword of the spirit here to divide us from all sin and heal us, and defend us in love. Yes, I think the Gospel is violent against sin, yet because of that, it brings us to salvation. Would you be violent against cancer to save the cancer patient? Of course!. (I was not meaning to rant against you, and I hope you dont take it that way, I just had to say something when hearing the sin affirming message that guy was pushing. Hope yall have a great & blessed time!)
I just went to watch the full conversation. About 20 minutes in, the "pastor" said that while he believes in the Resurrection, you don't need to believe it happened in order to be a Christian. Turned the interview off. Why would I care what this man has to say if he is that foolish?!
Oof. Pretty par for the course though
I'd say maybe to understand what is going on in that person's mind and try to see what type of misunderstandings or areas of focus lead a person to think this way. Also to not be surprised by these points if someone you speak to brings them up, and better be able to handle the conversation when they come up
But of course you are right that after that point trying to find common ground is basically gone, since it is beyond heterodox and just straight heresy if someone sees the resurrection in that manner, denying the very point on which our faith depends as Paul mentions in the Epistles. At that point it's more of a "what god do you believe in?" type of conversation.
@yanalbertoagudelo9687 Yeah totally, it's just crazy that these types of people are pastors when they don't even realize that they are guiding people down the wrong road.
The equivalent of a people who eat meat twice a week and calling themselves vegans😂
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3
"World not accepting them and wanted to make the world bow down on them" is the sin of PRIDE. This is theThis is clear as day.
The first time I saw “he/they” it broke my brain. It still does.
It’s crazy because why is he shocked that sin is being called a sickness. The core of the gospel is the fact that the heart of man is deceitfully wicked. We all fall short and sin is the result of the fallen human nature. But thanks be to God because Jesus died for sinners so we could live through Him. When you accommodate for one sin, you invalidate what Christ did on the cross. When the disciples asked Jesus why the man they saw had fallen sick, they asked if it was a result of sin. This infers that it was common (but not always) that sin and sickness go hand in hand. Sickness is not always a sign of sin but there are so many similarities between the two. As mentioned, Jesus called sin a sickness. I just don’t understand this 😭😭😭
Because he probably studied theology at a liberal institution/seminary or at mainline protestant seminary. He therefore has probably studied as a concept used by the Church as a historical concept used by Church fathers, the Reformation and other groups before Enlightenment. On those seminaries sin is rarely talked about as something bad one does every now and then and something that´s a problem yes but since everyone´s sinning those seminaries focus on grace and love of god in their theology.
The more you embrace sin, the better suited you are for Satan's plan for your destruction.
violence is what happened to Laken Riley and the poor 15 year old girl from the Mass migrant camp, saying words are violence is gaslighting and should be called out immediately
I also 100% agree on your stance of the word violence. I have done humanitarian work in 14 countries and I feel the same way when Americans talk about being poor and oppressed.
My heart breaks for the affirming "pastor" I'm not sure what let him down this path of lying and deception, but his punishment will be great
I would love to see Jackie Hill Perry speak about/testify on her experience to this "Reverend" cause she is clearly counter to all he said as she submitted herself fully to the Lord and is now in a fruitful marriage that honors the Lord
Nothing drives me more crazy than when they use two different pronouns like "he/they". At that point it's like you're just doing some malicious power play. You want to use he pronouns if you are the subject of the sentence, but a completely different pronoun (they) if you become the object of the sentence? That makes zero sense.
It’s always odd seeing a content creator when you’re only used to hearing their voice.
They seem to always forget that when Peter Simon told Jesus that he wont let anyone hurt Him, Jesus rebuked that. My point here is, love is not love and even your loving choices can be manipulated by Satan in order to go against Gods will.
If you threaten suicide if you don’t get your way, that’s abuse
Conversion therapy is not the same as surrendering everything to Christ. Take it all, I will be whoever you want…and if that is single and celibate for the rest of my life then so be it. That is the prayer that has to be said. The problem is nobody wants to walk away from what they believe is their core “identity”
LGTV? That sounds like a cable channel 🙃
Something I noticed with many liberal theologians/ pastors is like Ruslan said their conclusions end up being just the contrarian position to historical Christian stances. Also, there’s a bigger focus on the here and now and the materialistic/ physical than the eternal (sin itself or the afterlife and the consequences of sin are intentionally vague), even if it’s at the expense of orthodox beliefs. Many see certain unintended physical consequences of how a historical doctrine is expressed, but the biggest issue is that the liberals overcorrect or downright reject doctrine in order to fit modern secular morals. But likely cause their theology is reactionary by its nature, they’re still influenced by the expressions of the culture they’re brought out from and are unaware of this (notice how the the pastor says that affirmation leads to LGBT living in loving affirming relationships when nowhere in Scripture does God guarantee or command that every believer must be married-which is something both conservatives and liberals forget. )
The Gospel also gets boiled down to “Jesus died so you can have a good life in the now and to do what makes you happy if it doesn’t lead to physical/emotional harm”.
The problem for these liberal pastors is that their gospel isn’t unique, it tells people that they are fine just the way they are, and that you can find those same messages outside the church. According to that “gospel” you don’t really need to be saved from anything.
Even though the main goal of the church isn’t to increase numbers solely for the sake of increasing numbers-the liberal approach isn’t necessarily working considering that most LGBT people aren’t religious and the vast majority of people that identify as such that had religious upbringings didn’t mass migrate into liberal denominations. In fact they just like many others with similar positions are just turned off by religion as a whole, even if a denomination panders towards secular morals.
Redeemed Zoomer looks exactly as expected.
LOL what does that even mean🤣🤣?
XD
Saying that people who were once SSA and are now living healthy, happy lives with families were "bi" all along is insane. It's also cognitive dissonance, if not just peak hypocrisy. Surprised this "pastor" doesn't see the fragility of his worldview.
If that guy has a problem with spiritual violence, what does he think about Jesus call to cut off a hand or gouge out an eye if it causes one to sin?
Ive gotta admit I cannot stand the way the word "violent/violence" is used in this sense nowadays. I lose every ounce of motivation or interest I had to converse with someone who uses the word like this 🤦♂
You must be born again something this man seems to not understand
He doesn’t want to understand. He wants a false gospel that affirms sin.
Wow, what an amazing calling to reach out to people who need Jesus to rescue them. Beautiful. I mean, that's all of us!
I was hoping you’d talk about that interview one day so this was cool to see. Really love Zoomers channel.
Bro, good video! Thanks for speaking up on behalf of my brothers who've experienced transformation!
He is so focused on this life and not the one to come...
Very disappointed in the lack of "I'm not gay no more!" Soundboard opportunities passed up by our boys 😔
All of this is very emotional and tied to identity. I feel like the logical theological perspective is going to work. I feel like you need to hit this from an emotional psychological angle.
Here’s whats fascinating about that statement, he’s repulsed by that, imagine if a straight person said they’re repulsed by homosexuality.
Oh man you should've put the last response of Zoomer when he asks benjamin if he had any question... boy oh boy..
And then I went and subbed to Redeemed Zoomer; thanks again, Ruslan!
Thanks man.
It's a core aspect of my being to desire to eat the whole packet of chocolate-coated cream cookies. I could do it every day. Don't be violent and tell me it isn't a good idea. lol just because it feels good and desirable, doesn't make it so. If you're converted, your feelings are a better guide than when you're not, but regardless, feelings always have to be modified by the Word, not the other way round.
This is where an understanding of everyone being a new creation in Christ is unequivocally essential. Being made in the image of God runs deeper than our own understanding of who we are.
May God rebuke these pastors
8:58 you notice how nothing the Reverend said points to God. It’s about people living joyfully, finding spouses, contributing to their community. Nothing there about showing God’s glory, being a person that shows Jesus to others, drawing people to Christ. Their theology is “me me me”.
Glad you addressed the "violence" claim. This is the common approach from this group. "They" have no real argument, so they have to claim violence to assert some kind of high moral ground.
11:32 I LOVE WOMAN. I'm not gay no more.
Oh? 🤔
God tells us who we are.
I’ve grown weary of the word “folks.”
The sin of lust is one of if not the worst sin you can do or struggle with. That's why the bible says to run from it, where all the other sins, scripture teaches to fight.
Minute 7 he was talking about “side x”- “ex gay” theology, from the 80s the message there was that God wanted them to be straight and be attracted to the opposite sex…the movement failed- in one study it was something like 9 people out of the 4000 involved who identified as being same sex attracted actually were able to enter into a heterosexual marriage and move past the ssa….it didnt work….this is cuz God wants us to be Holy and that doesnt = straight. The pursuit of holiness for both single staight people and lgbtq singles means a fight against lust and fight for faithfulness for both, which means celibacy for many
Jesus said we should deny ourselves, and take up our cross to follow him. And for those who identify in LGBT, the denying self will be much harder than an average person because they will have to resist and overcome something that they feel is the core of who they are. Therefore there will be a lot more termoil on their part, but it will also create a very Godly Christian who trusts in Jesus.
Amen
I also affirm LG TVs, they make the best most accessible OLEDs right now
This is a perfect example of “word salad”. I think he was trying to convince himself of what he was saying he behaved as a cat on on a hot tin roof!
Jesus delivered me from sexuality confusion ❤
No conversion therapy just the Word of God❤
I’m a fan of him too and when I watched this it was at 22:50 that you learn the interview is lost.
Then they have already lost their way. And now they are trying to find, or make up, their own god
I'd love to see redeemed zoomer on your channel!
Lawn & Garden Television?... My mom loves that channel
As a follower of Christ, I have only one "lived experience" to follow, His, not mine. Mine leads to death
So what this guy is saying is he agreed that Jesus said that sinners are sick, that sin is a sickness, but telling people their sin is a sickness is wrong and actually spiritually "damaging"... so Jesus was in error? And that apparently some of Jesus' theology was from God and some of it was not?
Yeah, tell me you're not following Christ without telling me you're not following Christ.
I appreciate how RZ opened up the point on the fallacy of ID being tied to preferences. Do the 'addicted' want or need to identify with their malady for happiness? Do naturally stingy or selfish people need to adjust their fruit by the help of the church's influence (even LGTV versions)? This pastor has made a god out of the modern focus on gender/relational preferernces and he has been trained to accept and measure all other standards against it. He is blind and in need of a physician.
What was with the dislike ratio? Love his channel. He's amazing. He deserves way more likes for having this conversation
The bring back dislikes extention many times gets the dislikes extremely wrong
He seems to be pretty regularly brigaded. Every video he makes that is slightly critical of Eastern Orthodox gets ratioed almost immediately.
I love Ruslan’a absolute refusal to use the LGBT accurately.
He's doing it to stay out of trouble from RUclips
@@cruzaderawaken9600 ahhhhh flew right over my head. Smart. I’ve noticed he does this a lot with other issues but I didn’t think about that.
This was good
Wonder who review bombed that video with dislikes lol
This guy is the Riddler from the last Batman movie, lol.
It always comes down to God is wrong about sin. If he is wrong about sin then he can be wrong about everything else. He is Holy and perfect or not.
I own an LG TV, but I think you’re talking about Alphabet Soup folks haha
2:33 WHUUUHH??? 😂 my exact reaction
A large part of the issue is the conflation of what one does with who they are. You are not your sin, no matter how strong the urge is.
We are all called to self control. This is not exclusive to the alphabet community.
"Immutable" was his fallacy.
Can't believe this pastor affirmed LGTV
Bold of you to assume he is a real pastor
RZ is a delight
Super good
Yes! Now we just need Ruslan, Zoomer, and Bishop Mar Mari to go on @GeorgeJanko podcast together to just riff for like 4 hours. LOL God bless yall
The commandment is "love your God and your neighbor." The pastor literally replaced God with the self when he refered to it.
The way this Pastor rationalized these people’s lived experience away by claiming “they are probably just bi,” reminds me of the way some Christians rationalize how some can turn away from the faith, “they probably didn’t believe to begin with.”
When your theological position is just rational system rather than a lived experience, faith becomes an exercise of logical syllogisms and maintaining ideological positions.
Collab with Redeemed Zoomer! Maybe even a debate because he is a reformed calvinist Presbyterian!
Wait, wait, wait... now it's immutable? Weren't gender and sex fluid? Can they agree on their principles first?
Yes, he met with sinners, accepted them and told them to repent, not continue in their sin. We are all born into sin, so in that sense, we are all "born this way." Jesus calls us to be born again. That's why he died and rose again!!
You should get redeemed zoomer in the channel, I would really enjoy that
Lololol "not too deny your lived experience" but... "Your lived experience is wrong, you're Bi!"
His stoic face!!! 10:31
The LIFESTYLE is Double the Abuse no matter what the category for All non heterosexual people in studies.
The idea of using relapse to prove that sexual deviance is an immutable part of the person is braindead, because all sinners relapse in all kinds of sin.
abdools and anarchists are going after RZ with that ratio
You're absolutely correct on the fact people who call words violence, haven't experienced actual violence. I thought I was gay until about 3 years ago, then I realised everyone I had bonded with was molested as a child, along with myself. I honestly believe a lot of gay people, are simply just trapped in reliving their trauma.
Not a fan of Calvinists in general, and his attacks on Orthodox by holding up how close Protestants are to Romans is reprehensible.
*presses 💯 button
You should have him on
It is interesting that the one defending the LGBTQ position refers to those characteristics as “something immutable” to themselves.
I don’t think this is what he means by this, or that he is thinking in this vein, but the attribute of immutability belongs to God and God alone. Humans, because of our finitude and absolute dependence upon God are always in a process of change. Claiming that our sin as something that cannot change, is a fundamental denial of what it means to be human, while at the same time, sanctifying sin as something that possess only what God can possess. There seems to be an unconscious, or perhaps conscious, deification of sin, a heresy of the highest degree. Pray for this man and his congregation.