Pure gold, I searched ages to find a RUclips how to make a hall effect trigger an ignition circuit. This is a brilliant!! Thanks for sharing and making everything so clear.
Watch out however. I found that this one gets hot so it needs a bit heat sink. Also in service you have to isolate it from the trigger. Otherwise the spark can travel across the hall sensor and damage it.
Although you stated that you do not know much about electronics but you have shown us what you know. Very good and informative video. I really don't like some people who are very good at electronics but they post videos which don't have guidance, or help characteristics. They just want to show up. Again, thank you for posting this informative video. I really like it.
You may very well find learning electronics more is a natural gift for you . Most people don’t recognise natural talents in them selves and find things that are difficult for the stimulation but in this case understanding electronics in this world is one of the most useful things to understand !
With this design, when the magnet is in the position to light the LED the current is flowing through the coil as is expected. A problem could occur if the engine just so happens to be sitting in this position for a long period of time then the large transistor would overheat. Point being, don't leave the key on for a long period of time without starting the engine.
It was a problem with older points ignition systems as well, since this is more suitable for a bike the ignition likely isn't left on when the motor is not running.
This is really interesting. You should use this on a small engine. They usually have coil on it but you can advance the ignition timing and burn alcohol. It could be very efficient especially if you make it spark twice instead of once when the magnet passes it
Excellent circuit, i've finally tried it using you scheme, it works perfect, i will be using it for 4cyl engine ignition purpose, you're a genious, thanks!
I have tried in vain to actually get this to work on an engine. It is easier to get a coil and a 12v battery and use the points and timing in the magneto to revamp the ignition. I have shown how to do this in another video
Remember spark duration is the most important and not all engines have the same duration and this is why the very original model stopped being produced by Atom back in the day. You need to know your engines spark duration and your spark timing needs to be perfect. I bit to les or a bit to much you will have lost in power and extrem wear and tear.
Hi, I see you posted this 3 and a half years ago and I wonder if you still monitor this video. I am very interested in building what you have done here and I wondered if you had a wiring diagram to help me create the same. Great and informative video.
Spark duration is the most important part to an ignition system. Your engine on its design and tune like air fuel ration will depict the spark duration and not all engines are equal. The original Atom company that was selling these stopped for this reason. You can make sparks all you want but if that spark isn't the proper duration then it's going to run the engine with a loss in performance and there will be extreme wear and tear.
Easiest circuit and tutorial available on RUclips... I must say ❤ I have a query that hall sensor usually works on 5 volt, here it is connected to 12 volt..is it okay? Will it affect the sensor! And one more thing, you have used 20 ohm 5 w (ceremic) resistor. Is it compulsory to use ceremic resistor? Can we use non-ceremic resistor (20 ohm 5 w) of same value if I am unable to find ceremic one. Please help 🙏.
Hi "again" :D Yes, the circuit works great. The problem I had was a bad coil. Now I will be putting it on to my 2 stroke on my generator for a test soon. Thanks again for your replies on this circuit. Cheers mate.
Mr Boots, I counted well over 230 posts that you have made. Do you think that it is reasonable to expect your readers to look through all of them to find the schematic that you indicate was close at hand?
@@jimwrathall5323 No, I expect you to type bootsowen transistor ignition system or something similar into the search box and let youtube do it for you. There over 1000 vids on my channel, you could never find it by manually looking.
I think there are lots of ways to make this circuit better! I have not used this system other than this build and test. I found that that the transistor gets too hot!
@@bootsowen Typically the transistor will get smoking hot, even on industry HALL ignition modules! This is perfectly ok when the engine is running as the saturation time is greatly reduced with the small dwell. When you run the magnet past as you are doing the TIP42C will get very hot.
thank you. i'm okay soldering electronic parts together, but only copying the brainy work great guys like you do first. i'm bringing my 1979 twin cylinder yamaha up to date.and you have helped me save maybe £200. Could be a market for you? thanks again.
1. There should really be a back EMF suppression diod in reverse polarity over the coil output or the coil back EMF will hammerer the transistor with high voltages spikes that will eventually destroy it. 2. There are no good reasons to use NPN transistors and no good reason at all, in this case, to connect the load to the emitter but instead, as normal, should be connected to the collector for better power.
Hi there, this system was from a few years ago, and not of my design (I know very little of electronics), if you could sketch out a better circuit, or link to a video that would be more helpful.
hello in my circuit the 2 transistors and the resistance of the Led are getting too hot. ??? because if I have the same components as the diagram. ???? without coil they heat the same just a little less
Thats very interesting, would you expect this system to survive the temperatures/rigors of a motorcycle magneto, I have a few old trail bikes with dilapidated points ignition that I would like to try this on.
It has been a few years when I made a few videos about these little systems. In theory they will work, but a few points. I would use a bigger heatsink. The other issue I had, that blew up a few of these boards was arcing across the 3144 to the chassis. I positioned the board near the flywheel, stuck a magnet on the flywheel but the path of least resistance was through the 3144 and not the plug so it arced. Maybe pot it in waterproofer too. It's worth a go. Let me know how you get on and have a look at my other videos. Depending on the bike, it may be easier to adapt a strimmer/minibike flywheel ignition.
@@bootsowen Thanks for the pointers, I was thinking of having the hall sensor mounted near the flywheel and the rest of the unit under the seat in a container plus heat sink. While pondering this I was wondering whether you could simply use a hall sensor to replace the points? e.g.Take a ferromagnetic strip and wrap it around a flywheel but leave a gap so that the hall is closed and then opens at the gap as if it is a set of points opening ? Or am I embarrassing myself now😬
@@mirage1500 I think that would work, as long as the strip will stay stuck to the flywheel. You don't need to have the strip the whole way around, just enough to trigger the sensor. Or you can just use the points if they are ok, I think I made a video about this in my ignition systems playlist, or the rotovators playlist.
I’m an RC plane enthusiast… I need a less expensive alternative than buying cdi units from hobby distributors. This looks very promising but I have to drop the input voltage to 6 volts (LiFe battery) .. and have found a mini coil with 6volt input and produces 20k volt spark. Will these components work at 6 volt?
Hi there, if it is possible try to insulate the magnet from the circuit, otherwise, if you mount the magnet directly to the metal flywheel the spark will try to jump the gap between the hall sensor and the metal and burn it out. Good luck!!
Hi bootsowen,Thank you for you advice.The flywheel has a small magnet on the outer side of its surface and the sensor is already there beside it on the engine .I am not sure what kind of sensor it is, I will go and check it today( it is my friends engine, not mine)
very good, it is difficult to find this kind of content in the interbet. Thank you for posting the curcuito. Can you tell me if I can replace 3144 with a 6838? or if I would have some other option besides 3144 because here it is difficult to find it ..
Hi there. I don’t know if another will work but any kind of switch with the same output configuration should work. You could download and compare the datasheets.
I am pretty sure the advance is needed. Probably need some other physical feedback, like vacuum or tps (throttle position sensor), mas (mass airflow sensor). Im not sure if a timing advance could be done electronically, maybe having some IC chip adjust by timing. Reason I ask is many of us older motorcycle owners have to buy expensive igniter boxes from after market because they no longer make them. Your simple circuit solves this except timing advance. I am going through this situation now. My 1996 Yamaha xv1100 Virago igniter (TCI - transistor controlled ignition) has failed.
dang man this is awesome - I want to make my own electric ignition for my motor - I have an 8 pointed reluctor from a pertronix 1 system, the bears site is down, can you possibly share the original and your schematic (i dont need LEDs / I use an inductive timing light). What wd be the most basic schematic without LEDs?
you could maybe try this one, it also has an led however. ruclips.net/video/gASPFWhvb_g/видео.htmlm35s you could just try it and leave out the led, I am not so hot on electronics so I don't know if this will work. The light is there for timing, it helps you set the magnet where you need the spark. thanks
I was wondering if the capacitor is there to protect the hall from back emf of the coil or? and it looks like a very low farade capacitor, not even a one microfarad.
Hi, this circuit is interesting....... i have started to build this circuit for my toyota 3k engine......... my question is, is it ok to disconnect the LED from the collector of TIP42c and use it only when i need it as a timing light??
Hi mate. I have built this circuit from your video plans. I said I would let you know how I got on with it. Well before I connected it to the ignition coil I tested it with a magnet by passing it by the Hall Sensor and the LED flashed as it was supposed to do, "BUT" when I connected the coil and tried for a spark on the spark plug the TIP 42C just fried, even though it was connected to a large heatsink with a fan on it. I am using a small coil from my Chinese 2 stroke CDI generator. Just using the coil, no other parts of the CDI system. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you.
I am not really sure what to tell you, do you mean that it fried but it worked for a while and then and overheated? or did it just pop from a crossed wire, I have done the latter. I show it working in the video, but that was almost 4 years ago, so I am not sure that I will be able to answer any more questions. I think I made two different designs, (they were other peoples designs) and put up a video of each, it should be under transistorised ignition or hall effect or similar. I have been told that the web links that I provided to the original designs no longer worked.
@@bootsowen: No don't get me wrong mate. The one you showed worked great but I don't know what I may have done to bugger mine up. The TIP 42 overheated as soon as I attached the coil so it may even be a bad coil or even the wrong coil. Its obviously something that I have done wrong somewhere and I just need to keep trying untill I get it to work like yours. I just wordered if you had any problems when you first built it. Thanks for the reply and I did look at your other ignition circuit and that one looks good too. Cheers.
@@bootsowen: No problem mate. I have done something wrong somewhere. Your circuit worked perfectly so I know it works but I will need to check the coil I am using. I may need to use another coil. Yes the TIP 42 fried immediately when I connected the coil so I am guessing I have the wiring to my coil wrong or the coil is gubbed. Thanks for the reply, appreciated. :D
Hi Mike, I reckon mine got hot too, but it didn't kill the transistor. did yours burn out? Did you get a spark out of it? You said you had a big heatsink with a fan, maybe it is a problem with your coil.
Hey, great vid! I understand slightly how this works but I can't really understand what purpose the 2N2907 has got? Could you explain to a beginner :) I have one Allegro a1302 Hall sensor but was planing on using it with a transistor (TIP41c) and was thinking the signal couldn't trigger that etc. Anyways, if you got a chance, let me know what it does :D
I don't know much about electronics, but to my simple mind it steps up the signal from the hall sensor to the transistor that is capable of actuating the coil. Like you say, using your parts the hall sensor may not be "strong" enough to trigger the TIP transistor. Good luck.
Malc Tulloch thanks for replying i have an old points moped and it has 6v magneto coils maybe I am going with a battery and some kind of a charging system
is that resistor connected to the small 2N2907 low power transistor need to be 5 watts? because if i build that in actual and that big size 5 watts resistor is used and i will enclosed the finished product inside the distributor housing then its very tight in there. I was wondering because 2n2907 is It is a 0.6-ampere, 60-volt, 400-milliwatt transistor and i wonder why 5 watts resistor was placed. Thank u.
Hi there, thank you for the informative video! Why is it necessary (indeed is it necessary) to have the two transistors? Why not go straight to the TIP42C? Many thanks!
@@bootsowen thanks for the heads up! Just waiting for the parts now. I'm going to be using it to trigger the drive coils for a pulse motor, so there won't be any risk of massive arcing, but thanks for the reminder to keep the circuit insulated!
Hi There, thanks for the question, It was a few years since I made this circuit. So I don't have any details on it, except what is in the video, sorry.
Good evening mister Bootsowen, I am interested in your circuit, and I would like to know if is ti possible to make a similar transistor ignition circuit, but with 4.8 or 6 volts. In order to use it in a 10 cc two stroke Rc Engine.
Hi there, In short I don't know, but if i had a 6v battery i would just try it with this circuit. I don't think it would damage the circuit if you use a lower voltage, but you might need to use a sparking coil appropriate for 6v.
Hi. I’m glad it works! I’m not sure that it matters. I think it is more important to put a heat sink on the transistor. Have you made a video of it? If so post a link here. Thanks
HI.. This is exactly what ive been looking for ,to power a exhaust flamer kit.The only thing is ive no moving parts for the hall sensor to pick up on. I was going to use a square wave generator to power my coil (which runs my spark plug situated in tail pipe and burns unburnt fuel from the de-cat exhaust system).The square wave signal generated needs to be amplified or boosted so it will be strong enough to triger the 12v coil..do u have any knowledge in this..thanks marto
+martin eglinton i think if you use the square wave generated instead of the trigger from the halls sensor it will boost up through the two transistors. But i know very little about electronics....
bootsowen ohh ok thanks...i thought you were a dab hand with electronix..lol just out of interest the parts for the progect how much did they cost .in pounds pls.i may have a go ... but thank you for your fast reply.and thanks for your time..martin
the parts are cheap, but you have to buy 10 resistors etc, so you end up with bits you dont need. I'd say about 25£ for all the parts including duplicates, or about £8 if you could get single bits at a cheap price,
Hi. Tried to mount this circuit and the TIP42C burns after a few seconds. I am using 12V from a PC power supply. Can you give me an hint? Thanks. Carlos.
I am not that hot on electronics so I am not sure, it could be something to do with the type of rectification that the power goes through in your power supply. From a battery the dc will be smooth 12v, but from a power supply it might be stepped or smoothed but not perfect dc. Also, it is worth mentioning that while i did get this board to run in the video i did not get it to run successfully on an engine. But that was due to arcing across the hall sensor!
Thanks for your reply.I have made a tim-6 circuit board but the coil won't give off a spark. If I remove the coil and replace it with a bulb it will light up and go off..but nothing from the coil. Any input would help.
I used the circuit from the circuit diagram, it was a long time ago so I don't remember the details, but I used a 12v coil and a 12v battery, If your coil is not for 6v then maybe that is the issue. also, are you earthing the plug, it will not spark unless it is earthed back to the circuit.
Yes it is. I read that if the battery only produces low amps the secondary resistance won't work. It's rated at 4 amps just om the limit. Is that possible. Thanks very much for all your help.
Yes, but you have to insulate it very well. I destroyed one that I made because the spark jumped across to the hall sensor,.. path of least resistance!!
Thanks.. ...Do you think that I can make something like your project but instead of using hall effect to use Reed switch do you think that is gonne work
Hi, I have been looking for a video like this for ages. I want to use this to power a 2 stroke engine from an old generator. The magneto in the engine is broken and I think this would be a good alternative. Just need to set the magnet and hall sensor to engage at the top dead center of the piston. Do you think it would handle a 2 stroke 50cc engine? Thanks for this video.
I really don't know, I made it for a 500cc engine, but in the end got the points ignition going again. I found that if you positioned the board too close to the metal body of the machine it would arc and fry the board, but that might have been with another design of board. I tried a few, i have posted videos of them, search through my videos. good luck, let me know how you get on and post a video if you get it going.
@@bootsowen: Thank you for that information. I will certainly let you know how it goes. You see, the problem I have with this 2 stroke engine is the flywheel. Its one of them Chinese generator engines but the flywheel key, which is built into the flywheel broke off. I got another flywheel but it has no magnets on it for the pickup coil. I was actually going to try install magnets on this new flywheel by grinding out the area where the magnets should be and inserting some neo magnets and trying that. The other problem is that I tried to remove the magnets from the old flywheel and busted it, so I don't know if I have to set the magnets North and South or if its just one pole that is needed to activate the little pickup coil. It's a CDI system. Again thank you for helping and I have just subscribed. :D
@@bootsowen: Thanks mate. I appreciate your help. You sure know a lot about washing machines and stuff. I need to look through your videos. By the way I am in Scotland but all my family were from Ireland. :D
@@bootsowen i want to make it for a car ignition. can i use a camshaft hall sensor with a simple led also must i use the same code of transistor ? thanks bootswen
@@bootsowen Hi . BLDC is a brush Less direct current motor . BLDC motor's have 3 phase's and I'm trying to find the easiest way to run one of these motors for an electric bicycle .
Where can I get this schematic? Trying to copy from this is a nightmare! Please? Thank you for this video. The time you took helped allot of people immensely, I'm sure. It certainly has helped me. M.S.
Press pause on the video and make a print screen. or check out my other videos, maybe search by ignition or hall effect one of my other videos may have a better diagram. the diagram was originally on another website, that I believe is now defunct. It is a good few years ago since I have made this item.
Theseus all the link shows is the diagram. I have shown it in the video. The link was only a courtesy to the person who came up with the wiring diagram. Thanks
i have a question i see 3 resistor wattage do it matter if i use 1/4w 1 instead of 1/8w ? as long they are the same ohm value ? and i know i will need the 5w 1
I built this circuit foR use on a motoRbike, it didn't work, just burnt out the power lead from the battery. I must have checked the circuit a dozen times, still no luck, just burns out the power lead from the battery. Interestingly, when I connect everything up and just scratch the power lead the spark plug fires. Didn't work for me, I'll search for another diagram.
@@toglhot Breadboard jumpers are definitely too thin, you will need a bigger heatsink on the transistor too, the one in the video is too small. There is lots o useful information in the other comments.
I made the circuit like this in the picture, the only thing I did not find was the resistance of 20 ohms, I used 22ohms when I feed the circuit the led is lit straight, can you help me?
Hi there. It sounds like there is a short circuit somewhere. But without having it in front of me I can’t diagnose it. Or the 3144 is stuck open. (Broken).
@@bootsowen I tested the 3144 separately on a circuit to drive a led, so it's fine. I don't know what could be happening. I already looked at everything and I can not find where could be the problem ..
@@bootsowen I noticed that the 22ohm resistor is getting very hot, another thing I also noticed is that when I turn on the circuit if I connect it to the coil it's like a short circuit
+Juozas Jurkstas Hi there, I don't think it is a good idea to use another wattage of resistor. I don't know the science behind it but i think there is a risk that you will fry the other components on the board. Good luck!
@@bootsowen I did its very helpful ime trying to find a sulution to a motocycle ignition I am not to confident with wiring this unit is perfect will you make for me with hall sensor on a 3 foot leed I beg
I have no idea, they are different systems, I really don't have enough information from you, or enough knowledge to answer your question. It doesn't seem to be related to the video in question. Sorry I'm not more help.
Hello there, I am probably not able to help you, I have not worked on these things for years, Some of the other people in the comments may be able to help. But you are welcome to ask me.
I would like to know if it possible to multiply your circuitry by 8 and fit it to an 8 cylinder engine as a coil on plug configuration. It would involve the fitting of base plate in the distributor housing , using one magnet on the rotor and 8 times a 3144 Hall sensor. The aim is to eliminate all sparks except the big one at the sparkplug
Hi there. Firstly, it sounds like you want to use it in a vehicle. this might work, but I wouldn't count in it for reliability. I don't otherwise see why your plan wouldn't work.
I could not see the wire scheme in: http:/www.5bears.com/tim4.htm Could you send it by email? I have a question about the capacitor; Is it 0.1mf, electrolytic or ceramic?
Hi there, I understand that the www.5bears.com/tim4.htm website is no more. They were electrolytic capacitors. The circuit diagram is clearly detailed in the video. It was the same as the one on the 5 bears website. Thank you for your question.
hi there, what a brilliant device. im not very good with electronics..is there a way you could swap the transistor with a irf 3205 MOSFET? if so could you post the wiring diagram please. i can send you my email if you want to do it that way cheers steve
I'm not sure if this one will work any better. I have posted a few videos of different models a few years ago. they are touchy and need a very big heat sink.
@@bootsowen Yes.. i have an MSD ignition that has provisions for hall or magnetic pickup. No directions how exactly either is accomplished without being already installed. Thanks much!
Johnny, why not just buy the ignition kit that comes with the engine? if you are using it in a model the 12v auto ignition coil woudl be very big and heavy!
Yes I know the model would be too heavy, but it is too much expensive to buy it in dollars because venezuelan goverment has restrictions to sell dollars.
This schematic simply doesn't work, all you'll get is smoke and and a burnt out out TIP transistor. The fact that the model works just tells you the schematic and model are different. Find another, don't waste your time and components on this one.
Pure gold, I searched ages to find a RUclips how to make a hall effect trigger an ignition circuit. This is a brilliant!! Thanks for sharing and making everything so clear.
Watch out however. I found that this one gets hot so it needs a bit heat sink. Also in service you have to isolate it from the trigger. Otherwise the spark can travel across the hall sensor and damage it.
Although you stated that you do not know much about electronics but you have shown us what you know. Very good and informative video. I really don't like some people who are very good at electronics but they post videos which don't have guidance, or help characteristics. They just want to show up. Again, thank you for posting this informative video. I really like it.
Hi there, glad you like it.
Any fail-safe solution to this problem?
You may very well find learning electronics more is a natural gift for you . Most people don’t recognise natural talents in them selves and find things that are difficult for the stimulation but in this case understanding electronics in this world is one of the most useful things to understand !
With this design, when the magnet is in the position to light the LED the current is flowing through the coil as is expected. A problem could occur if the engine just so happens to be sitting in this position for a long period of time then the large transistor would overheat. Point being, don't leave the key on for a long period of time without starting the engine.
It was a problem with older points ignition systems as well, since this is more suitable for a bike the ignition likely isn't left on when the motor is not running.
In my case the 5 watt resistor overheats...
This is really interesting. You should use this on a small engine. They usually have coil on it but you can advance the ignition timing and burn alcohol. It could be very efficient especially if you make it spark twice instead of once when the magnet passes it
Excellent circuit, i've finally tried it using you scheme, it works perfect, i will be using it for 4cyl engine ignition purpose, you're a genious, thanks!
Old school can ignition coils typically have the + always connected to the battery (through a fuse of course) and the negative side is switched.
Absolutely brilliant. I have been looking for a similar circuit to replace an old magneto. Thank you.
I have tried in vain to actually get this to work on an engine. It is easier to get a coil and a 12v battery and use the points and timing in the magneto to revamp the ignition. I have shown how to do this in another video
This is a magic tutorial for any model engineer, many thanks
No problem, hope it helped
by the way, it rans perfectly on 6 volts, i used a coil for an small ATV and the sparkplug is strong enough to run my Webster 4 stroke engine.
Thanks sir, i would like to run using 6V too.
Exactly the same circuit or u change some components?
@@fakhrinshamsudin5713 almost, i did not put the small capacitor in.
@@johngroenen tqvm for the info
thanks very much,
i build it and it works perfectly.
it Powers the sparkplug of my Webster 4 stroke engine.
Hi, that's really cool, I would love to see a video of that, even a very short one.
Great video, You make some nice things!
Parabens pelo trabalho e vlw por compartilhar, esse sistema pode ser usado em 6v ?
I've been looking for a trigger circuit like this for a long time. Randomly this video popped up in my feed. Great detailed video. cheers.
Remember spark duration is the most important and not all engines have the same duration and this is why the very original model stopped being produced by Atom back in the day. You need to know your engines spark duration and your spark timing needs to be perfect. I bit to les or a bit to much you will have lost in power and extrem wear and tear.
Looks easy and interesting. I'll try one on a non-working Briggs & Stratton engine.
Best worker brother and getting better... Nice to watching your videos
Hello. Does the 5 watt resistor should get as hot as it does?
It seems like in continious operation it overheats fast.
Thank you so much! This circuit is just what I needed for mod my 4A-GE 👏👏😁
Hi. Did you get to make it?
@Karan Singla my led is glowing continuously!
What will be the issue?
Or send me the photos that you did!
@Karan Singla no karan, i made the same circuit
Hi, I see you posted this 3 and a half years ago and I wonder if you still monitor this video. I am very interested in building what you have done here and I wondered if you had a wiring diagram to help me create the same. Great and informative video.
After 6 years... thanks bro
Did it work for you?
@@bootsowen yes, just make some upgrade for timing advan
Spark duration is the most important part to an ignition system. Your engine on its design and tune like air fuel ration will depict the spark duration and not all engines are equal. The original Atom company that was selling these stopped for this reason. You can make sparks all you want but if that spark isn't the proper duration then it's going to run the engine with a loss in performance and there will be extreme wear and tear.
How do you control the spark duration in a coil system
Easiest circuit and tutorial available on RUclips... I must say ❤
I have a query that hall sensor usually works on 5 volt, here it is connected to 12 volt..is it okay? Will it affect the sensor!
And one more thing, you have used 20 ohm 5 w (ceremic) resistor. Is it compulsory to use ceremic resistor? Can we use non-ceremic resistor (20 ohm 5 w) of same value if I am unable to find ceremic one. Please help 🙏.
Thanks. The hall sensor works here, try using a different resistor and see what happens.
@@bootsowen thank you I will give a try with 12 v first as per your circuit and what about the 2nd query regarding resistor!
Best of the best
Getting better brother...
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Hi "again" :D
Yes, the circuit works great. The problem I had was a bad coil. Now I will be putting it on to my 2 stroke on my generator for a test soon. Thanks again for your replies on this circuit.
Cheers mate.
No Worries Mike a video and put it up here, happy to put in a link. Even a video of what went wrong for you is useful for others!
@@bootsowen: Yes I will be shortly. I am hoping to try it out soon on the 2 stroke engine. Will let you know when I post the video. Cheers mate.
I also made it same like you it work very well but their tip42 get busted every time by over heat and circuit get failed i didnt understand y
Is there a video where you show this installed and working on the rotovator?
Wiring Diagram? That would be very helpful.
Have a look at my other videos on this topic, I post a wiring diagram in one of them.
Mr Boots, I counted well over 230 posts that you have made. Do you think that it is reasonable to expect your readers to look through all of them to find the schematic that you indicate was close at hand?
@@jimwrathall5323 No, I expect you to type bootsowen transistor ignition system or something similar into the search box and let youtube do it for you. There over 1000 vids on my channel, you could never find it by manually looking.
Does the coil get hot with the system on and not cycling? A timer that shuts down the saturation of the coil while not pulsing would be optimal.
I think there are lots of ways to make this circuit better! I have not used this system other than this build and test. I found that that the transistor gets too hot!
@@bootsowen Typically the transistor will get smoking hot, even on industry HALL ignition modules! This is perfectly ok when the engine is running as the saturation time is greatly reduced with the small dwell. When you run the magnet past as you are doing the TIP42C will get very hot.
Did this circuit works on 6V ignotion system also?
I was wondering what the capacitor is for to protect what from what due to cause of?
im half lucky those hall effect sensor i ramdomely bought are 3144 :D
now i just need to wacth the video on how its made
thank you. i'm okay soldering electronic parts together, but only copying the brainy work great guys like you do first. i'm bringing my 1979 twin cylinder yamaha up to date.and you have helped me save maybe £200. Could be a market for you? thanks again.
I hope it works for you, post a video when you get it going!
1. There should really be a back EMF suppression diod in reverse polarity over the coil output or the coil back EMF will hammerer the transistor with high voltages spikes that will eventually destroy it.
2. There are no good reasons to use NPN transistors and no good reason at all, in this case, to connect the load to the emitter but instead, as normal, should be connected to the collector for better power.
Hi there, this system was from a few years ago, and not of my design (I know very little of electronics), if you could sketch out a better circuit, or link to a video that would be more helpful.
sir will it work on 4 stroke bike
hello in my circuit the 2 transistors and the resistance of the Led are getting too hot. ??? because if I have the same components as the diagram. ???? without coil they heat the same just a little less
You need to use a very big heat sink.
@@bootsowen ok Thank you
Thats very interesting, would you expect this system to survive the temperatures/rigors of a motorcycle magneto, I have a few old trail bikes with dilapidated points ignition that I would like to try this on.
It has been a few years when I made a few videos about these little systems. In theory they will work, but a few points. I would use a bigger heatsink. The other issue I had, that blew up a few of these boards was arcing across the 3144 to the chassis. I positioned the board near the flywheel, stuck a magnet on the flywheel but the path of least resistance was through the 3144 and not the plug so it arced. Maybe pot it in waterproofer too. It's worth a go. Let me know how you get on and have a look at my other videos. Depending on the bike, it may be easier to adapt a strimmer/minibike flywheel ignition.
@@bootsowen Thanks for the pointers, I was thinking of having the hall sensor mounted near the flywheel and the rest of the unit under the seat in a container plus heat sink. While pondering this I was wondering whether you could simply use a hall sensor to replace the points? e.g.Take a ferromagnetic strip and wrap it around a flywheel but leave a gap so that the hall is closed and then opens at the gap as if it is a set of points opening ? Or am I embarrassing myself now😬
@@mirage1500 I think that would work, as long as the strip will stay stuck to the flywheel. You don't need to have the strip the whole way around, just enough to trigger the sensor. Or you can just use the points if they are ok, I think I made a video about this in my ignition systems playlist, or the rotovators playlist.
I’m an RC plane enthusiast… I need a less expensive alternative than buying cdi units from hobby distributors. This looks very promising but I have to drop the input voltage to 6 volts (LiFe battery) .. and have found a mini coil with 6volt input and produces 20k volt spark. Will these components work at 6 volt?
Thi is very good idea... thank's man👍
This item can be found with the old royal enfield cb point
What a great idea, thank you very much.I will try to build one at once.Need it for an engine where the magnets inside flywheel broke up
Hi there, if it is possible try to insulate the magnet from the circuit, otherwise, if you mount the magnet directly to the metal flywheel the spark will try to jump the gap between the hall sensor and the metal and burn it out. Good luck!!
Hi bootsowen,Thank you for you advice.The flywheel has a small magnet on the outer side of its surface and the sensor is already there beside it on the engine .I am not sure what kind of sensor it is, I will go and check it today( it is my friends engine, not mine)
normally the sensors are completely wrapped in a plastic case and potted on commercial engines. Have fun, make a video of it!
Have checked , it is a small coil.Turned the engine over with the starter and tried to measure AC Volts, nothing there.Have to check more
very good, it is difficult to find this kind of content in the interbet. Thank you for posting the curcuito. Can you tell me if I can replace 3144 with a 6838? or if I would have some other option besides 3144 because here it is difficult to find it ..
Hi there. I don’t know if another will work but any kind of switch with the same output configuration should work. You could download and compare the datasheets.
@@bootsowen ok, I think it will work because from what I saw the two components are similar and both have a digital output pin.
@@bootsowen I still have a doubt, please confirm me the reference of the capacitor that is between the positvo and negative pin of 3144. thanks
Thank you so much. Very good circuit .
does it need timing advance? subscribed
You can change the timing by adjusting the magnet on the flywheel.
If you need an advance then you could have a lever to move the sensor/ board relative to the flywheel
I am pretty sure the advance is needed. Probably need some other physical feedback, like vacuum or tps (throttle position sensor), mas (mass airflow sensor). Im not sure if a timing advance could be done electronically, maybe having some IC chip adjust by timing. Reason I ask is many of us older motorcycle owners have to buy expensive igniter boxes from after market because they no longer make them. Your simple circuit solves this except timing advance. I am going through this situation now. My 1996 Yamaha xv1100 Virago igniter (TCI - transistor controlled ignition) has failed.
dang man this is awesome - I want to make my own electric ignition for my motor - I have an 8 pointed reluctor from a pertronix 1 system, the bears site is down, can you possibly share the original and your schematic (i dont need LEDs / I use an
inductive timing light). What wd be the most basic schematic without LEDs?
you could maybe try this one, it also has an led however. ruclips.net/video/gASPFWhvb_g/видео.htmlm35s you could just try it and leave out the led, I am not so hot on electronics so I don't know if this will work. The light is there for timing, it helps you set the magnet where you need the spark. thanks
I was wondering if the capacitor is there to protect the hall from back emf of the coil or? and it looks like a very low farade capacitor, not even a one microfarad.
no Idea, it wasn't my design
Hi, this circuit is interesting....... i have started to build this circuit for my toyota 3k engine......... my question is, is it ok to disconnect the LED from the collector of TIP42c and use it only when i need it as a timing light??
I think you must replace it with another non lighting diode in that case. But my knowledge of electronics is not very good.!
Hi mate.
I have built this circuit from your video plans. I said I would let you know how I got on with it.
Well before I connected it to the ignition coil I tested it with a magnet by passing it by the Hall Sensor and the LED flashed as it was supposed to do, "BUT" when I connected the coil and tried for a spark on the spark plug the TIP 42C just fried, even though it was connected to a large heatsink with a fan on it.
I am using a small coil from my Chinese 2 stroke CDI generator. Just using the coil, no other parts of the CDI system.
Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thank you.
I am not really sure what to tell you, do you mean that it fried but it worked for a while and then and overheated? or did it just pop from a crossed wire, I have done the latter. I show it working in the video, but that was almost 4 years ago, so I am not sure that I will be able to answer any more questions. I think I made two different designs, (they were other peoples designs) and put up a video of each, it should be under transistorised ignition or hall effect or similar. I have been told that the web links that I provided to the original designs no longer worked.
@@bootsowen: No don't get me wrong mate.
The one you showed worked great but I don't know what I may have done to bugger mine up. The TIP 42 overheated as soon as I attached the coil so it may even be a bad coil or even the wrong coil.
Its obviously something that I have done wrong somewhere and I just need to keep trying untill I get it to work like yours.
I just wordered if you had any problems when you first built it.
Thanks for the reply and I did look at your other ignition circuit and that one looks good too. Cheers.
@@bootsowen: No problem mate. I have done something wrong somewhere.
Your circuit worked perfectly so I know it works but I will need to check the coil I am using. I may need to use another coil.
Yes the TIP 42 fried immediately when I connected the coil so I am guessing I have the wiring to my coil wrong or the coil is gubbed.
Thanks for the reply, appreciated. :D
Hi Mike, I reckon mine got hot too, but it didn't kill the transistor. did yours burn out? Did you get a spark out of it? You said you had a big heatsink with a fan, maybe it is a problem with your coil.
@@bootsowen: Yes, it fried fast.
I think I need to change the coil and double check the wiring to the coil.
Thanks again.
Hey, great vid!
I understand slightly how this works but I can't really understand what purpose the 2N2907 has got? Could you explain to a beginner :)
I have one Allegro a1302 Hall sensor but was planing on using it with a transistor (TIP41c) and was thinking the signal couldn't trigger that etc.
Anyways, if you got a chance, let me know what it does :D
I don't know much about electronics, but to my simple mind it steps up the signal from the hall sensor to the transistor that is capable of actuating the coil. Like you say, using your parts the hall sensor may not be "strong" enough to trigger the TIP transistor. Good luck.
Ok, as I suspected! Thanks a lot :)
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Excellent, can you post a video of it? and share the link?
A great ignition system, will this work with a 6v coil & battery? thank you for sharing.
i have no idea, I was just following a method, You could try it.
Thanks for your reply, I'm not much good with electronics so it will probably take me a while to get the bits & build it. All the best, Malc.
@@malcytull did it work
@@ЯворВелчев I didn't try it in the end, I used a motorbike coil & battery on my strimmer.
Malc Tulloch thanks for replying i have an old points moped and it has 6v magneto coils maybe I am going with a battery and some kind of a charging system
Can this circuit be used on a 12v voltage?
what supply do I use in the video?
@@bootsowen I don't understand because I'm not very good at English, please help me, can it be used on 12v voltage?
is that resistor connected to the small 2N2907 low power transistor need to be 5 watts? because if i build that in actual and that big size 5 watts resistor is used and i will enclosed the finished product inside the distributor housing then its very tight in there.
I was wondering because 2n2907 is It is a 0.6-ampere, 60-volt, 400-milliwatt transistor and i wonder why 5 watts resistor was placed. Thank u.
In my experience the 5 watt transistor gets very hot
Hi there, thank you for the informative video! Why is it necessary (indeed is it necessary) to have the two transistors? Why not go straight to the TIP42C? Many thanks!
I am not sure but i think it is to amplify the pulse from the 3144 to something that the tip42c can feel? Or maybe I am completely wrong
@@bootsowen Great, thank you. I am going to copy the circuit anyways instead of researching further into the whys and wherefores. Many thanks again!
Cool. Use a very big heatsink on the transistor and make sure the spark can’t arc across the 3144. I fried one that way.
@@bootsowen thanks for the heads up! Just waiting for the parts now. I'm going to be using it to trigger the drive coils for a pulse motor, so there won't be any risk of massive arcing, but thanks for the reminder to keep the circuit insulated!
Thanks very much sir, if i want to run using 6V battery, what modification is required ?
Hi There, sorry, I don't know. Good luck with your project.
@@bootsowen tqvm sir
@@80fakhrin My first thought was that you need another 6v battery and then the issue goes away!
hello , i woud like to use this on 5v at idle and 9v at full rpm , will ti work ? :)
No idea, why not try it?
how voltase this baterai 🔋?
Which capacitor and LED are you using? Any reason for that type of 5watt 20 ohm J resistor?
Hi There, thanks for the question, It was a few years since I made this circuit. So I don't have any details on it, except what is in the video, sorry.
Good evening mister Bootsowen, I am interested in your circuit, and I would like to know if is ti possible to make a similar transistor ignition circuit, but with 4.8 or 6 volts. In order to use it in a 10 cc two stroke Rc Engine.
Hi there, In short I don't know, but if i had a 6v battery i would just try it with this circuit. I don't think it would damage the circuit if you use a lower voltage, but you might need to use a sparking coil appropriate for 6v.
hi , i did this circuit and it works. but that big resistor 20 ohms 5w gettig hot . any ideas ?
Hi. I’m glad it works! I’m not sure that it matters. I think it is more important to put a heat sink on the transistor. Have you made a video of it? If so post a link here. Thanks
well i use all parts just like you did . and it looks just like yours.
HI.. This is exactly what ive been looking for ,to power a exhaust flamer kit.The only thing is ive no moving parts for the hall sensor to pick up on. I was going to use a square wave generator to power my coil (which runs my spark plug situated in tail pipe and burns unburnt fuel from the de-cat exhaust system).The square wave signal generated needs to be amplified or boosted so it will be strong enough to triger the 12v coil..do u have any knowledge in this..thanks marto
+martin eglinton i think if you use the square wave generated instead of the trigger from the halls sensor it will boost up through the two transistors. But i know very little about electronics....
bootsowen ohh ok thanks...i thought you were a dab hand with electronix..lol just out of interest the parts for the progect how much did they cost .in pounds pls.i may have a go ... but thank you for your fast reply.and thanks for your time..martin
the parts are cheap, but you have to buy 10 resistors etc, so you end up with bits you dont need. I'd say about 25£ for all the parts including duplicates, or about £8 if you could get single bits at a cheap price,
ok... thank you...ill let u know how it goes.
I could not see the wire scheme in:
Could you send it by email?
I have a question about the capacitor;
Is it 0.1mf, electrolytic or ceramic?
Hi. Tried to mount this circuit and the TIP42C burns after a few seconds. I am using 12V from a PC power supply. Can you give me an hint? Thanks. Carlos.
I am not that hot on electronics so I am not sure, it could be something to do with the type of rectification that the power goes through in your power supply. From a battery the dc will be smooth 12v, but from a power supply it might be stepped or smoothed but not perfect dc. Also, it is worth mentioning that while i did get this board to run in the video i did not get it to run successfully on an engine. But that was due to arcing across the hall sensor!
Try putting a heat sink on it, mine got pretty hot too and i stuck a block of aluminium on the back
Hi can you please tell me if its a 6v or 12v system. very well presented
12v
Thanks for your reply.I have made a tim-6 circuit board but the coil won't give off a spark. If I remove the coil and replace it with a bulb it will light up and go off..but nothing from the coil. Any input would help.
It's all 6v
I used the circuit from the circuit diagram, it was a long time ago so I don't remember the details, but I used a 12v coil and a 12v battery, If your coil is not for 6v then maybe that is the issue. also, are you earthing the plug, it will not spark unless it is earthed back to the circuit.
Yes it is. I read that if the battery only produces low amps the secondary resistance won't work. It's rated at 4 amps just om the limit. Is that possible. Thanks very much for all your help.
Nice..Can this be used as pulser coil for motorcycle engine?
Yes, but you have to insulate it very well. I destroyed one that I made because the spark jumped across to the hall sensor,.. path of least resistance!!
thanks...Do you know a better way to make a pulser coil for motorcycle engine
Points and condenser ignition? Or fit a flywheel and coil from a Briggs mower?
Thanks..
...Do you think that I can make something like your project but instead of using hall effect to use Reed switch do you think that is gonne work
Probably, but then it wouldn't be a hall effect ignition. Why don't you google your idea and see if someone else has done it?
sir..cam you help me with pulse coil and magneto ignition??
Hi, I have been looking for a video like this for ages. I want to use this to power a 2 stroke engine from an old generator. The magneto in the engine is broken and I think this would be a good alternative. Just need to set the magnet and hall sensor to engage at the top dead center of the piston.
Do you think it would handle a 2 stroke 50cc engine?
Thanks for this video.
I really don't know, I made it for a 500cc engine, but in the end got the points ignition going again. I found that if you positioned the board too close to the metal body of the machine it would arc and fry the board, but that might have been with another design of board. I tried a few, i have posted videos of them, search through my videos. good luck, let me know how you get on and post a video if you get it going.
@@bootsowen: Thank you for that information.
I will certainly let you know how it goes.
You see, the problem I have with this 2 stroke engine is the flywheel. Its one of them Chinese generator engines but the flywheel key, which is built into the flywheel broke off. I got another flywheel but it has no magnets on it for the pickup coil. I was actually going to try install magnets on this new flywheel by grinding out the area where the magnets should be and inserting some neo magnets and trying that.
The other problem is that I tried to remove the magnets from the old flywheel and busted it, so I don't know if I have to set the magnets North and South or if its just one pole that is needed to activate the little pickup coil. It's a CDI system.
Again thank you for helping and I have just subscribed. :D
I think there should just be one trigger magnet for the CDI pickup. Good luck with the project
@@bootsowen:
Thanks mate. I appreciate your help.
You sure know a lot about washing machines and stuff. I need to look through your videos.
By the way I am in Scotland but all my family were from Ireland. :D
@@bootsowen Thanks.
where i can find the hall sensor in old parts ?
Printers have them I think.
@@bootsowen i want to make it for a car ignition. can i use a camshaft hall sensor with a simple led also must i use the same code of transistor ? thanks bootswen
Could 3 of these circuits be used to run a small bldc motor ?
What is bldc?
@@bootsowen Hi . BLDC is a brush Less direct current motor . BLDC motor's have 3 phase's and I'm trying to find the easiest way to run one of these motors for an electric bicycle .
How are you that into electronics and that's your first time soldering
How am I into electronics?
@@bootsowen no one that isn't wouldn't be building something like that from scratch
what is the input voltage plz tell me thankyou and what are the changes when i use for 6v ignition coil
12v input, I don't know/
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Can I use this for my two stroke engine
Maybe
Hello sir,
Everything is working fine
But transistor is getting hot and then short!
Please get me the solution!
perhaps a bigger heat sink?
Where can I get this schematic? Trying to copy from this is a nightmare! Please?
Thank you for this video. The time you took helped allot of people immensely, I'm sure. It certainly has helped me.
M.S.
Press pause on the video and make a print screen. or check out my other videos, maybe search by ignition or hall effect one of my other videos may have a better diagram. the diagram was originally on another website, that I believe is now defunct. It is a good few years ago since I have made this item.
hi! the link is expired but i still interested on this one..
Theseus all the link shows is the diagram. I have shown it in the video. The link was only a courtesy to the person who came up with the wiring diagram. Thanks
i have a question i see 3 resistor wattage
do it matter if i use 1/4w 1 instead of 1/8w ? as long they are the same ohm value ?
and i know i will need the 5w 1
I don’t know much about circuits so I just built it as the plans said.
@@bootsowen k
just googled and a bunch say as long the ohm is right bigger watt resistor dosent mater
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
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I built this circuit foR use on a motoRbike, it didn't work, just burnt out the power lead from the battery. I must have checked the circuit a dozen times, still no luck, just burns out the power lead from the battery. Interestingly, when I connect everything up and just scratch the power lead the spark plug fires. Didn't work for me, I'll search for another diagram.
Are you using a large enough gauge of wire for the power lead?
@@bootsowen Just standard breadboard jumpers, very thin. But surely it shouldn't spark and get this hot?
@@toglhot Breadboard jumpers are definitely too thin, you will need a bigger heatsink on the transistor too, the one in the video is too small. There is lots o useful information in the other comments.
I made the circuit like this in the picture, the only thing I did not find was the resistance of 20 ohms, I used 22ohms when I feed the circuit the led is lit straight, can you help me?
Hi there. It sounds like there is a short circuit somewhere. But without having it in front of me I can’t diagnose it. Or the 3144 is stuck open. (Broken).
I don’t think the different resistor matters. Try making it again.
@@bootsowen I tested the 3144 separately on a circuit to drive a led, so it's fine. I don't know what could be happening. I already looked at everything and I can not find where could be the problem ..
@@bootsowen I noticed that the 22ohm resistor is getting very hot, another thing I also noticed is that when I turn on the circuit if I connect it to the coil it's like a short circuit
@@bootsowen the capacitor I used was a 0.1uf / 100v electrolytic. is correct ?
Audio is so low and soft you need to turn on the CC and read it. Can't hear what he is saying.
does tip42 works on car battery
4 in one or more expansion circuits. 42C Transistor Do not look 4 pistons.
hello. can i use another power rezistors with the same ohm?
+Juozas Jurkstas Hi there, I don't think it is a good idea to use another wattage of resistor. I don't know the science behind it but i think there is a risk that you will fry the other components on the board. Good luck!
+bootsowen ok. thanks.
CAN we used this circuit to HONDA CD 125 TWIN BIKE ?
Yes, why not? I would not guarantee reliability!
most ignition systems trigger on the ground side
does this look like most ignition systems?
how's it running?
Circuit please .... ???
Is this working with AC or only w DC
it is working with DC
Hi what capacitor did you use thanks
Did you watch the video? It is on the diagram?
@@bootsowen I did its very helpful ime trying to find a sulution to a motocycle ignition I am not to confident with wiring this unit is perfect will you make for me with hall sensor on a 3 foot leed I beg
You should get the correct ignition for your motorcycle. Or learn to do it for yourself. Good luck.
Sir explain digrams
What don't you understand? how can I help you?
Will this work for a yard tractor?
Could do, Probably easier to go with the correct parts for the machine first though.
@@bootsowen The parts no longer exist. Its too old so they don't make them anymore.
@@Mystic_pursuits better get soldering in that case!
how the length of timing ridge on flywheel matters
I don't understand your question?
bootsowen...i mean some flywheel has shorter timing projections or ridges on them while some has lengthy
I think it relates to the length of time (dwell) that allows the spark charge to generate, but it depends on the type of ignition.
bootsowen does that mean ac cdi wil have short ridge and dc cdi will have lengthy ridge??
I have no idea, they are different systems, I really don't have enough information from you, or enough knowledge to answer your question. It doesn't seem to be related to the video in question. Sorry I'm not more help.
I need dragram ????
could you please contact me ? I have my own project on ignition that I want have looked at.
Hello there, I am probably not able to help you, I have not worked on these things for years, Some of the other people in the comments may be able to help. But you are welcome to ask me.
I would like to know if it possible to multiply your circuitry by 8 and fit it to an 8 cylinder engine as a coil on plug configuration. It would involve the fitting of base plate in the distributor housing , using one magnet on the rotor and 8 times a 3144 Hall sensor. The aim is to eliminate all sparks except the big one at the sparkplug
Hi there. Firstly, it sounds like you want to use it in a vehicle. this might work, but I wouldn't count in it for reliability. I don't otherwise see why your plan wouldn't work.
Thank you!
Thank you
+WTK Computer Shop no problem, i hope it helped
I could not see the wire scheme in: http:/www.5bears.com/tim4.htm
Could you send it by email?
I have a question about the capacitor;
Is it 0.1mf, electrolytic or ceramic?
Hi there, I understand that the www.5bears.com/tim4.htm website is no more. They were electrolytic capacitors. The circuit diagram is clearly detailed in the video. It was the same as the one on the 5 bears website. Thank you for your question.
hi there, what a brilliant device. im not very good with electronics..is there a way you could swap the transistor with a irf 3205 MOSFET? if so could you post the wiring diagram please. i can send you my email if you want to do it that way
cheers steve
i'm not very good either, in short, I don't know,
Hey its very very good,in juan from colombia,you are the firs gay to have some ignution like that, exscuse if my english no good and bleses
Thanks Juan!
Danke. So sick of DOA Chinese CDI Boxes
I'm not sure if this one will work any better. I have posted a few videos of different models a few years ago. they are touchy and need a very big heat sink.
@@bootsowen Yes.. i have an MSD ignition that has provisions for hall or magnetic pickup. No directions how exactly either is accomplished without being already installed. Thanks much!
For an engine like this: www.evolutionengines.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EVOE10GX
Johnny, why not just buy the ignition kit that comes with the engine? if you are using it in a model the 12v auto ignition coil woudl be very big and heavy!
Yes I know the model would be too heavy, but it is too much expensive to buy it in dollars because venezuelan goverment has restrictions to sell dollars.
that is a shame, i think if you try it with a 6v battery and a 6v coil it could be ok. it is quite simple to make.
This schematic simply doesn't work, all you'll get is smoke and and a burnt out out TIP transistor. The fact that the model works just tells you the schematic and model are different. Find another, don't waste your time and components on this one.
Have you used a large heatsink?
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i have posted a few videos about these ignition systems, with electrical diagrams, have a look at my other videos.