Why did Cab Forwards exist? | Railroad 101
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- The Cab Forward, as it still exists, is a wonderful locomotive. The 4294 is the last one ever made - a Southern Pacific AC-12. Almost as big as the big boy, but reversed...
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You mention tunnels but don't forget the snow sheds they had.
Yup - good point - very much moreso about the continuous snowshed and tunnel combo. I didn't really emphasize that enough, but figured the general public would understand tunnel and not necessarily snowshed. :)
I have actually been there
@@Hyce777 Hi, I'm a new fan, and I wonder as you are so passionate about train operations and functionality, would you be willing to give a look at Trans Siberian railway simulator.
I know it has many non train related shenanigans, but I think it has very curious train operations that can be interesting.
I live 40 minutes away from the museum
@@Daemorien He is aware, however it will probably only show up in a stream when he has had sufficient of the stronger stuff for commentary according to Hyce in a previous livestream.
It’s also worth mentioning that the cab forward design won an industrial design award back in the day, and 4294 itself is a National Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmark. A very SP way to solve a unique problem.
Oh that's cool! Had no clue on either fact, but it makes sense.
nice
One of our engineers on the excursion line is an expert on this thing. He's a treasure for three big reasons:
1. He operated this locomotive itself
2. He was a mechanical engineer for SP who joined the operations aspect, so he knows every square inch of the beast
3. He has stories of these beasts that could make you cry
Oh my god. That's the kind of guy you want to sit down and interview.
@@Hyce777Could you do a video on Bulleid CIÉ Turf Burner and the last days of commercial steam in the UK being in Northern Ireland?
The failed German Cab Forward 05 003 also is an interesting Tale. It failed because it was designed to burn Oil but then was changed to Coal Dust, for Strategic Reasons that probably explain themselves in 1930ies Germany. It suffered constant Combustion Issues because the Coal Dust couldn't be blown steady through the Fuel Piping that was designed for Oil. Following these Issues, the Locomotive was turned around to a conventional Design with Cab at the Back, and the streamlined Shell was removed too.
Coal dust firing has its own issues - coal dust in air is a high explosive. The tenders detonate if nitrogen blankets aren’t used (my great grandfather drove one in Australia in the 1930’s - they went through three tenders in a year of testing).
Hyce, I am 73 years old and enjoy watching your videos. My great uncle was an SP engineer out of Eugene,OR. (I was born there. but never lived there). He worked for SP his entire life and ran Cab Forwards and other locomotive over the Natron Cutoff and other routes. The Natron Cutoff had a big helper yard at Oakridge, OR. My Grandparents moved to Oakridge in the late 50's. I used to spend two or three weeks every summer with them and enjoyed every one of them as I was a kid from the big city of Portland ,OR. Their house was about two blocks from the SP mainline. Steam was gone but it was fun watching the trains. My great uncle died when I was young and I didn't get to know him. I wish I had known him as he probably had some great stories to tell about railroading from the 1890's to the 1950's.
Cool!
Oh my word. He really must have had so many stories... that's such a cool connection. I am glad you enjoy this videos too. :)
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Being 69, an Oregonian and also born in Eugene but lived all my life in Bend. I've been through Oakridge many times and never realized the town had such an important SP history. Cool story!
This is why I love how Southern Pacific has the prettiest and powerful locomotives especially the 4-8-4 and the cab forwards. Plus 4449 is still rolling.
We hope! sucks to see an operating engine sit for years
I'd only heard of cab-forwards as a name. I didn't realize it's not just cab-forward, it's Whole Damn Locomotive Bass-Ackward. Including the articulated engine set. What a bizarrely beautiful machine.
Although I see the point about _not being in the crumple zone_ if you hit something.
Thanks for the video! Another great learning experience!!
Yeah I've seen that locomotive many times and never quite realized all the extra engineering needed to accommodate not just the reverse systems but the articulation. Dang.
It's been tried many ways. There were some attempts that had the engine the correct way around, and the engineer got his own cab. Those failed because of communication issues and the lack of Deadman protection.
5:34 While designed primarily for freight service, the SP used the cab-forwards for passenger service with some regularity. That valve supplies steam for passenger car heating.
Loading Gauge is such an interesting topic. In South Africa, our main network is Cape Standard Gauge (3'6" / 1067mm) yet our loading gauge is bigger than the UK's which runs on standard gauge track.
The UK should simply fix it's loading gauge to UIC loading gauge as everyone around them has.
It also took the Union only 48 hours to fix the gauges of the entirety of the traitor states post war and loading gauge is just one more word, what difference can that possibly make.
in the wise words of jeremy clarckson: "How hard can it be"?
As for comparing South Africa with the US, you probably have commuter trains faster than the entirety of the Americas has in intercity, not to mention other african countries that actually have HSR.
@@1121494 not actually true. We have one rapid rail system of only 50 route miles, runs up to 100mph. The national system is in shambles due to political nonsense (eg, catenary systematically removed - read stolen - whole tracks and sleepers stolen). All this came about in 2020 because the politicians have taxis and trucks in their pockets. When I speak of taxis, in our context, these are minibuses which are also run by gangsters and are above the law. Over the last year they have started to 'replace' what was stolen and slowly getting the network back and running - and wouldn't you know, just in time for elections in May. Its very bad down here, trust me things are way better up there by you. There is currently only one African country with HSR - that's Morocco using the French TGV trains. There is talks of introducing HSR here between our business center inland and the one port city, but nothing concrete yet and there is the problem of a plateau to overcome (in my mind this can be down with a series of helix's)
@1121494 the reason for the UK loading gauge problem, with the exception of parts of what was "God's Wonderful Railway", is that being first made them Guinea pigs, they were designed for the era when a locomotive had six wheels, maybe eight, and the tender had the same, all up not more than 20 tons, and it was road carriage sizes. The Pantechnicon was rarely seen in town. So bridges were lower, overall widths were narrower.
The bit about God's Wonderful Railway, is Brunel's 7'3" gauge, giant machines, but still not much bigger in the loading gauge.
@@1121494we have the Gautrain running in the Gauteng province… using the 1,435 m gauge
I never knew about the hose situation from the temder to the locomotive, but the crazy design makes sense and gives me another new appreciation for the cab forwards.
5:57 so the cab forward is a 3/4-idiot-certified Brett-sized locomotive? LOL. 😂
My favorite design feature is the earliest cab forwards and articulateds blew the roofs off the snowsheds on Donner Pass. So instead of some uber high tech blast nozzle or exhaust system, they just stuck a metal bar across the stacks. Low budget, low tech, and worked like a treat
Another few facts worth mentioning (I may have done a little reading about cab forwards lol).
The air pump exhaust was SIGNIFICANTLY louder that portrayed in the museum.
The deck between the smokebox and the tender was referred to as “the monkey deck” because hobos often hitched rides up there.
The more modern cab forwards were also equipped to handle passenger trains, having a steam heat line.
Those who REALLY wanna deep dive into these things, should find a copy of Cab Forward by Dr Robert J Church. Hard fo find but a good edition to a foamer library.
SP had the tunnels and snow sheds to contend with, but they also had oil. I guess it’s not remembered very well these days, but the California oil fields were a big deal back in the day. Oil was cheaper than coal for the Southern Pacific. Even later, in my lifetime, I remember the oil pumps by the side of the freeway as a sign that we were getting close to LA. So cheap oil, expensive coal, and the tunnels and snowsheds combined to make cab-forwards more attractive to the SP than anyone else.
As much as I love steam locomotives the more I watch of Hyce the more the switch to Diesel Electric from not just a business standpoint but plain common sense and simplicity makes sense. On an unrelated note I didn't know anything narrower than RGW existed in the US. Crazy to think about something that massive on that narrow a gauge!
It's worth noting that at the time dieselisation was taking place, especially in Europe, there wasn't really a sadness to see the steam engines go. They were considered dirty, unpleasant machines to work on, where the diesels were clean and easy.
It's in fact our retrospective romanticism of steam that the appreciation mostly comes from.
Getting around the smoke in tunnels problem is a fascinating part of railroad history. You can satisfy all kinds of foamers. Cab forewards, Portal to portal electric, or T motors. Great video on the cab forward!
Or gas masks (I know alot of foamers into those, for some reason...)
The EMD tunnel motors as well, those were specialized variants of the SD40-2 and SD45 that moved their air intakes to prevent overheating in long tunnels. They made about 500 of those for SP and Rio Grande, and several are still in service to this day.
How railroads handled their tunnels would definitely be an interesting video. I know for a fact that my home railroad, the Boston and Maine, has a kind of funny story regarding the locomotives it uses for its big tunnel the Hoosac.
The Boston and Maine found that the ventilation systems the tunnel had weren't cutting it, so in an attempt to reduce smoke and fumes, they bought 4 oil-burning 2-6-6-2 Mallet type engines. Called the M-1 class they did not perform well enough and were sold off to the Maine Central when the tunnel was electrified less than a year later. Once the Maine Central got the M-1s they were converted to coal burners, renumbered, and reclassified as the X class and ran the Crawford Notch grade until being retired in 1935.
Short answer is the sp had lots of snowsheds and putting the cab in front allowed the crew to be in front of the smokestack, the crew being in front of the smokestack kept the crew from suffocating due to smoke in the tunnels and snow sheds. I drove one of these in trainsim 2017 and had a lot of trouble with starting on slopes
4:17 This is a certified pew-pew moment
Silliness aside, this was an excellent video! A really great presentation on the fascinating design of these unique beasts
There are two reasons why the SP had the tunnel issues that caused the cab forwards: Snow and Rock
The heavy, wet snow of the Sierra Nevada mountains is nicknamed sierra cement for a reason. It is so relatively wet, more slush than snow, that overnight it freezes solid. And so much falls on Donner pass that Union Pacific has two teams of rotary plows with two plows per team for that pass alone. Their third team is for the rest of their system. That much snow, and the avalanches it caused, led the Central Pacific, later Southern Pacific, to connect the tunnels together with snow sheds. 40 miles of snow sheds at one point.
As for the rock, the route over the Sierras, Donner pass, is almost entirely granite. Hard, tough granite that took years of blasting to dig through in the first place, averaging 2ft per day. And the longest was over 1600 feet long at the time. In the 1920s, the route was realigned with a two mile long tunnel to cut 1.3 miles off the total length and 130 feet lower in elevation at the summit. Even with this new tunnel, it was prohibitively expensive to add the large ventilation tunnels and shafts that other railroads used.
I went to the California State Railroad Museum once growing up. We were taking the Amtrak from Reno to Seattle, and you swap from the Zephyr to the Starlight in Sacramento. It's like a 9 hour transfer (you get in to SAC at 1500, then leave at like 23:50) which with the museum almost literally right next door is a perfect opportunity to stop by.
I remember seeing the cab forward and thinking "well ain't that more then just a little goofy"
I've heard that at least one other railroad (Western Pacific? Rio Grande?) considered buying cab forwards as well. Maybe the Grande, I could see this being useful in the 6-mile Moffat Tunnel. And of course, the same miles and miles of tunnels and snowsheds that birthed the Cab Forwards later led to the Tunnel Motors that you've also done a video on.
Meanwhile, Great Northern opted just to electrify their tunnel, first the 2-ish mile one and then the 8-ish mile one. The wires came down in 1956, right about the same time the Cab Forwards were retired.
I got to admit that little rinky dink cab forward thing you showed at the end of the video was pretty cute I do hope that one of these video games that are out or will be coming out features this locomotive in it because I've been dying to play it ever since I found out it was a possibility it was going to get added to railroads online.
And id like to say that I do agree with hyce let's all please support our local railroads if you are anywhere in South Carolina please please go to the South Carolina railroad museum they are desperately in need of funding to support rebuilding a steam locomotive that they have sitting outside it needs a new boiler and a lot of other things and they're trying to raise money to get it fixed.
Mark, I'm so glad you made this video! I remember awhile back asking you about a video like this, so I'm glad we got the HYCE stamp!
Thanks for another great video. You mentioned that some railroads ran their diesel locomotives Lon hood forward, one of these was the Norfolk and Western. They were one of the last to abandon steam, one reason was it was a “coal road” and stayed “loyal” to their customers. The locomotive crews almost refused to run the diesel short hood forward, so they bought their early hood units set up to run long hood forward. As you said the crews were concerned about safety.
I've heard that long hood forward was standard on the earlier ALCO diesels
I live near Sacramento and the museum is a great visit. Roseville also has a display of old locomotives. Thanks Hyce for this presentation.
Hi Mark, this 101 episode about the why of a cab forward was fascinating. Gigantic choo-choo, Omg! Being a beginner, I hadn’t thought about this feature. Thanks for your excellent and succinct explanation. Also, what a great exhibit being able to enter the cab and actually sit in the fireman and engineer’s seats to examine the controls and all that. I echo your statement, Mark, about how beautifully the trains are preserved and exhibited at the California State RR Museum. They even include sounds that’s so cool! Loved hearing Brett’s observations, two experts conversing-can’t get any better! The 4294 is magnificent for sure and I hope to see this and the museum in person someday. Many, many thanks for yet another A+++ classroom field trip session and, as always, cheers to you Professor!
0:20 that tree top lurking over the roof of the building looked a bit like a bigfoot easteregg :D
I've been to that museum many times. It's a must-see stop for any railroad enthusiast. And there's plenty to see even for non-choo-choo folks.
That is certainly one impressive locomotive, especially being able to get into the cab. Standing next to the driving wheels is also a pretty awesome experience.
Thanks for the video.
There were still some in service when I was a little kid. A most impressive sight was seeing one leading a long string of yellow/orange Pacific Fruit Express reefers, possibly as many as 100, with a tuscan red bay window caboose heading silently north past the Lockheed plant in Burbank to cooler climes. Also got to see the 4449 which was then "our" locomotive, maintained in reserve in L.A.
Just a random, off topic comment: In the early 2000's I use to work at the Milwaukee PBS station. We had several shows we produced, some of which were carried nationally to all the other PBS stations. One of those shows was called Tracks Ahead. I'm guessing you've probably heard of it. I used to work on that show alongside the producer and after watching several episodes of your show, I have to say that I'm getting serious Tracks Ahead vibes off your content. Keep up the good work.
This is the only big railroad museum ive been to! Back in 2015 when we took a trip down to san diego to visit family, we stopped by here. Fantastic experience
What an amazing video! I was just in Strasburg at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. Saw some amazing equipment, including a couple of Heisler Fireless. Also, Norfolk and Western 475 under steam.
Another wonderful Hyce video, so cool to learn about the big Choo Choo. Such a unique piece of history and the opening shot of you standing next to it really puts its size into perspective.
Shout out to you for getting the museum out there as a long time member of the museum we spend every weekend there and it’s hardly ever busy.
TY Hyce!! very informative!!
Here in the UK, we had a similar loco, a steam loco that looks like a diesel called the Bullied Leader, an 0-6-0+0-6-0 with cabs at both ends, and the fireman cab in the middle so can run either direction. Instead of a separate tender, its all built in one. Front half is the boiler, the rear half is the "tender" part that holds the coal and water.
Great video matey @Hyce , was hoping you'd cover the majestic Cab Forward at some point, just too bad that this locomotive will likely never be restored to operating condition 😢. Keep up the awesome work mate 👍🙂
Thank you for showing the cab layout.
Living in Australia, it is unlikely that I would get to see the cab forward in person so this video is much appreciated.
Yes the gauge glasses might be behind you, but you would not always be watching them, only glancing at them every so often, more so the fireman than the engineer. The control and gauge layout seems appropriate for the time and the needs, the only fear being so close to the front if there is something on the track that should not be there.
Holy crap this engine is MASSIVE, I come from the UK and this is just gargantuan. Most of the trains here aren’t this huge!
Great video and fun fact for you. The UK had cab forward locomotives too. They were found on the Glyn Valley Tramway and these were 2ft 4inc locomotives with an 0-4-0 layout and were designed as a cab forward and had skirts covering all the motion and the sides of the engine. To meet the rules of the tramway they had to give an un obstructed view for the driver, a speedometer and limiter to 10mph and they had turntables at each end of the tramway to turn the engine.
Theres also bulleid's abomination which is the Southern railway's leader class...
which looks like a normal diesel engine but it's steam and the fireman is IN THE MIDDLE.
@@davidty2006 Yeah those things were murder to the fireman and a sweat box being fully enclosed
I’ve been there quite a few times, and I love it there! The cab-forward is one of my favorite things they have, along with the A.T.S.F. F.7, and the S.P. snowblower. I love going down there!
Listening to your point and seeing the front-end at 8:00, I'm reminded of the gas-powered railcars of the era. Collisions with grade-crossing traffic had a good chance of not ending well for the operator.
Can’t wait to wach it! You’re my fav RUclipsr dude. The rio grande really did love there fat af engines. THE BLOWDOWN OUSIDE WTF😂😂😂. Thanks for sharing the awesome vid dude, you’re the best.
Another great video Hyce!! I wonder how much having an enclosed cab added to crew comfort, especially up in the Sierras!
This thing was probably the biggest (literally) highlight of my trip there. Getting to sit in the cab of that thing is just awesome.
Having lived in SP territory all my life, some of my favorite steamers are designs the Southern Pacific used. One of the first books about trains I had as a kid was a brief overview of several different steam locomotives, and the first one in that book was an AC-class articulated.
The smoke in the tunnels was bad but also the snow sheds. SP had a lot of snow sheds. The device located right over the center of the twin stacks is a smoke splitter to lessen the exhaust damage to the roofs of the snow sheds. I don't think I have to ask what your Dead Head friends favorite Dead tune is. Side note: Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter often had trains mentioned in the songs they wrote for the Dead.
I appreciate this the more I learn about it. At first I ignored it or just didn't pay much to it but I appreciate it. Genius
I went to the museum during my ninth birthday which is 2019 and when I saw 4294 i thought to myself it be nice to restore the locomotive but the money the place to store here and the place to run her it’s just a a lot of work but I hope someday some one will restore here
I’m not sure if the museum has a detailed analysis of the complete condition of the Cab Forward. This unit was saved at the last moment and pieced together since scrapping on her had already begun. They cobbled together nearly everything and welded it up to look presentable and I think they did a great job. I’m guessing the main chassis/frame is unmolested and that’s what matters but the side rods and other main rods are from other units so they aren’t aligned and would require major work if not completely new rods and saddle pistons. Each locomotive is unique, a majority of the drive parts are not interchangeable to identical locomotives as we’re used to today. Like others, I wish with all I have that we could get a Cab Forward running again but it’ll take a lot more than is possible.
I knew this thing was big, but didn't know it was THAT big. Cool video on a class that... doesn't get talked about hardly at all.
Should have a look at a loco on the other southern railway here in the UK called the leader class. thanks for taking the time to produce you videos.
That thing is an abomination...
It’s amazing they can build so many of these machines with such complexity especially back in those days!
And good luck that one of those components don’t fail in a dangerous manner.
Such a cool and mesmerizing piece of American Engineering at its finest! Great museum and excellent locomotive!
Good job, honestly, you made a great video I liked it.Hope he had a good time at the trade show by jack
I know it won’t for a long list of reasons, but if any engine would be cool to see in steam again it’d be this one for me.
Agreed.
I’d love to see that too. Its oddities like the Cab Forwards that often inspire my many fantasy locomotive designs ive made. Seeing it run in real life or at least recorded running on modern tech would help with that, since I read somewhere that the valve gear was a bit different as well, though im not sure if thats accurate or not.
One other cab-forward engine I wish made it into preservation was SP 4126.
Wasn't there an incident where those long oil lines came back to bite them? I don't remember the specific story, but an oil line failed and dumped a bunch of oil on the rails. That was enough to cause the locomotive to wheelslip something fierce, and the resulting slack action caused a knuckle to fail and the train to dump, leaving the crew stranded in the tunnel as it filled with smoke and the fire spread. I don't think that was enough to stop SP from using them, but I remember hearing about something like that from, (I think) Train of Thought's channel.
Oh wow. Yeah, that's far from ideal.
For the curious, I found the video. I believe the story starts around the 5:25 mark.
ruclips.net/video/QdCXdQqaz5o/видео.html
Always my favorite at the museum since I first went there as a child. Last time I was there the guy behind me in line was saying this was a bussman's holiday for him as he usually worked on the rotary plow. I think he meant he repaired it. He was grinning like a kid.
Dude I love going to this museum so much, I just went a few weeks ago in fact
4294 is one if the most impressive pieces in the museum's collection. It's always fun to go see.
Hyce, you need your own railroad TV program.
8:29 What is this beautiful abomination of mechanical engineering? 😮
(As a ferroequinologist, I am drawn to the stranger-looking Locomotives, because they usually have quite the story behind them.)
Ferroequinologist just rolls off the tongue!
The Pennsylvania Railroad had an early electric known as the P5a, which was a boxcab electric. The cabs were located on each end of the locomotive until a grade crossing accident on the New York Division killed the crew when they struck an apple truck stuck on the crossing. After most P5a were redeveloped into the P5a (modified) which had a center "steeple cab" design, similar to the in prototyping GG1 and R1 electrics
Left out the miles of snow sheds that covered the line over the sierra mountains .
They was a plan to send this cabforward on a tour but the cost and time needed to overhaul it was to high.
I got to see the last Railfair in 99 in Sacramento as a five year old, still have some great memories of it :)
Been there a number of times and it is a wonderful museum.
I love the AC-1 because SP went
"Alright, MC-1 kinda shit... Let's flip it around and try that"
My family was members of the SAC rail museum for years. You should go check out the Roseville yard to the north next time or the old Donner snow tunnels on the summit
My favorite steam locomotive……..excellent video 👍
2:02 i just keep thinking that surely it would be easier to make a tender that can run first at high speed cant possibly be as hard as the effort they went to to try and put the cab at the other end lol
Interesting article. Thank you.
It's said that the last cab forward locomotive is preserved "ready to run." It would be amazing to see this locomotive to run again.
Really a cool loco! Nice =)
ive been to that mueseum, it is so fun, they have a second story where they have model railroads and trains, its so cool and fun
Cab forwards. Because SP duplex cabover semi steamer is real and *will* hurt you
Having never seen one of these in person, I didn't realize that they were so narrow. Makes it even more strange to look at, as if being backwards wasn't unusual enough.
By the way, the K-36 and K-37 class like the 491 shown in the outro his simply incredible track record. Out of the 20 that have been built, 17 still exist and 13 are still in working condition. Incredible, after basically 100 years. Many of the much newer locomotive types cannot be described like that.
whoa, that's huge! at first i thought you'd green screened a miniature you in front of it for the intro
I love can forwards, it like a SW8 mixed with a big boy, SP is just that dang special kid.😂
Short answer: so the engineers and firemen didn’t pass out in Southern Pacific’s long tunnels and snow sheds.
As a fan of the SP, and most of my models are of them.....I know it's gone... but the Daylight, the Black Widows, cabooses, and assorted other units ....including the Heritage Unit....well.... they all still make me happy when I see them.
I've seen these things run in simulations and am convinced that the air compressor would have driven me nuts had I actually had to drive one. It's also worth noting that many late steam engine designs that tried to compete with diesels but never got built also considered using a cab-forward design.
From what I recall there’s a mirror mounted to the fireman can see the sight glass without looking over his shoulder.
Fingers crossed for a 101 vid on the CP Huntington.
Cool locomotive thanks
I love that I’ve been able to see 4294 so many times. It’s such a beautiful and interesting steam engine! ❤👍😁
I was at the museum in the 80 ‘s. I saw this engine. It’s a monster.
There once was a standard gauge cog rail line which went up to a mine in the mountains (Erzbergbahn). Some documentaries were made about this line and how it operatet (steam locos until the closure of the line in the 70s) and one of them once shows the train going up through the tunnel from inside the cab (by the way every single train had two locos, one at the front and the other one at the back but I think that they split the train and let the two halfs go up one by one so the smoke was a bit more survivable, the fully loaded train got also split in half but didn´t connect behind the tunnel and instead went directly to the transfer station). They showed in the film, how the whole crew crouched on the floor of the cabin, held wet rags in front of their faces and tried not to pass out!
I´ve just searched it and you can find it at the Österreichische Mediathek and it´s called Zahnradbahn Eisenerz-Vordernberg (37 minutes long) Last two minutes: Tunnelscene
These Cab-Forwards can be found on virtually anywhere on the SP system in thier later days. Even seen powering trains in the relatively flat Bay Area.
It’s an awesome engine
I had the privilege of sitting in the engineers seat on this locomotive about 6 years ago and one of the museum’s guides showed me all the engineers controls
I love that locomotive. I have to dedicate a significant amount of visit time to admiring that beast.
I have got to see Southern Pacific Cab Forward 4294 displayed here at the California State Railroad Museum in Sacramento, California. It’s a amazing big steam locomotive at the museum. We could’ve also had another SP Cab Forward preserved with that being Southern Pacific Cab Forward 4274. Which could’ve been displayed at the Western Railway Museum in Suisun City, California. Since it was known for being the last steam locomotive that the SP operated, even when operating at Donnor Pass.
Western Railway Museum didn't exist in 1957 nor are they fond of steam locomotive preservation.
In regard to my project, i have just completed the construction of the cab forward, V&T No. 12, and V&T No. 18.
I'd love to see your reaction/opinion of NZR Class Locomotives.
Various locomotives that ran on New Zealand's Railways.
I still think the cab belongs in the middle. Lets hear it for the fairlies!!!! :P
Great stuff as always Hyce!
fairlies are so weird...
idk if the US has any around or has ever ran them but there atleast 1 tiny narrow gauge one running in wales.
Thus is my favorite engine to model. I had two Riverossi, and they could pull. I've always wanted to find one fired up, but I don't think any are around. The one thing is I'd love to see the cab, so I may jist have to go to California and check it out.
I wish there was one that ran, but this is the one that exists...
Thanks! This cleared up a question I had about cab-forwards since I first heard about them: were the engineer and fireman "reversed" so they were on the "correct" side going forward
As you saw in the video, the engineer's seat is on the right and the fireman on the left, as usual.
One of my favorite locomotives of all time! God I wish some steam sim games had these, these looked so cool.
Train simulator classic has one, but it's an old DLC, that's for sure