I love how you handle the absolute bonkers at the top end of high horology, but also touching on the merits of significant micro-brands, and even Timex’s “Q” series… Yours is the best watch channel on RUclips. Period. You cover the entire spectrum, regardless of how thin your budget is, and especially in these post-pandemic financial problems. You treat every piece as desirable, explaining the fine points, bringing us all together, agnostic to budget. Thank you for your breadth of coverage. Your channel is making sure that snobbery isn’t the high wall to climb when getting into watch collecting/passion and mere passion for the craft is the currency of the realm as opposed to a thick budget. ❤️
Nice watch but the killer for me is the poor QC on the dial. Flecks of dust and dirt in the paint which is noticeable every time I look at it is a no-no.
@@bigmacdaddy1234 Not every Rolex, and show me one that looks even 1/10th this bad. The dial printing/paint is atrocious on this watch. Looks like one on those bad quality fakes. For this kind of money I'll take something like a Hamilton that still looks sharp under macro.
I have to agree, let's assume this may be a pre production run. The macro viewing did take away from the overall look. There were way too many dial issues. I have done much tighter macro shots on my Orient Ray and Citizen which don't show nearly anything like this.
@@Brian-ee1gx Yes, every Rolex has dust, dirt and horribly painted hands. Here are two videos to prove my point. ruclips.net/video/tTVBp_1Ddxw/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/c85o07K__M0/видео.html
Id prefer the Red Star (seagull) 1963 There's also quite a few marks in the dial..print mistakes..dodgy cuts in the sub dial cut outs that would keep catching my eye once I knew they were there Not for Me at all
I can think of a few reasons. First, there are just so many Rolex copies and fakes, and many of them are poorly executed. Second, most of those copies are of model lines that are still in production with changes perceptible only to super nerds. Third, among non-enthusiasts, Rolex brand ID is enormous-no other maker comes close. So if you turn up in a Rolex “homage,” you’re going to have to explain that you’re NOT trying to wear a fake Rolex. On the other hand, watches like this emulate references that are long since out of production from makers that don’t have the same non-enthusiast reaction. So it’s harder to be accused of trying to fake a watch or get by on another watch’s reputation. Personally I’m sick of the bazillion “homage” submariners. I’m glad that at least a few Chinese makers have moved on to making homages of far earlier references like the “bubble back” oysters of the ‘60s. Rolex isn’t ever going to make those again, and I wouldn’t mind a watch in that style.
@@OuijTube a homage is a homage. I'm not sure what the relevence of which brand is being copied makes. But for the sake of argument, the rolex homages never win awards, this homage has won an award. The fact that people wouldn't necessarily know the furlan was a homage to PP, the fact is that it is.
@@jh-il5sb 1. Look closer at it. It's made to a higher standard than almost any Rolex homage. 2. It's not homaging anything currently in production. 3. Power: It's not pissing off Rolex or their fanboys.
@@BryanO92 Nope, it really isn't made to a higher standard, especially if you compare it to a Steinhart. It uses a 30$ mechaquartz movement that's full of dust and has printing issues. (and this is a pre-production review model, it should be made to a higher standard than regular production watches). It's a good watch for 250$ or less, but it's 500$ asking price is shoulder-to-shoulder with the Bulova Lunar Pilot, a watch with a much more impressive mechanism, a much higher build quality standard and one of the coolest legacy stories behind it, as it was the watch that, performance wise, beat the Omega Moonwatch to a pulp. This is a simple homage that looks good from afar, but turns into a flawed mess as soon as you come close to it.
That is indeed a lovely watch. The globs of paint visible under macro started to distract me, but the handset and the indices are indeed mesmerizing. I'm not enough of an expert to know why this watch won, but it does have a certain X factor. Thanks for the great review!
The dial to this particular watch has manufactures defects around the left side sub-dial, by the left side of the 6 o'clock marker, by also the left side of the 12 o'clock marker or it's the crystal itself, and the center hole of the dial where the hands are installed on the left-hand side have a mark of some sort, another at the bottom point of the 8 o'clock marker.
It's not bad, would have loved to see it with a Seagull Chronograph instead, perhaps with the top part made to look a bit less cheap for around 800-1000. That would have been great I think. As of right now this is a very well made copy of a more expensive watch with a quartz movement. Could have been something more if you ask me.
At the same time, the seagull movements are a lottery ticket in the reliability case so maybe a Quartz movements would have been the safer choice on a 500 dollar watch.
I'm not against that mechaquartz, but it is fairly steep a price for one even with all the detailing. Im sure it took plenty of troubleshooting on the front end, but as a consumer, that don't fuss me
I am all for this exact kind of watches. Excellent quality for around $500. I really dont give a bats ass about it being a quartz. If anything, I appreciate the thinness and accuracy from the quartz. My only complaint is that the battery is not a 16 year deal like the new Cartier tank solar.
Complications not centered, numerals, especially the XII seem off. Looks like he dial was painted with cheap house paint, and I’m sure the movement is equally as horrible, the old “good from far but far from good” example.
@@villagranvicent yes I couldn’t understand why he was talking about the finishing being so great while showing the macro shots complete with dial marks, problems and dirt.
Excellent video. That watch looks especially great here. Mr. Hands critique of the Furlan Marri is, as always, very fair (e.g., the 24 hour subdial). Also like the themes Introduced here: collecting versus ownership; emphasis on externals versus internal specs; and the intangibles of a buying experience. I like this watch. I like Kurono-Tokyo. I like Ming (toothpicks holding my eyelids up from an early alarm today...). For all the reasons Mr. Hands mentioned here, and more.
@@kendalltull9854 Yes, but it's complicated. I was able to pay a deposit and secure a watch to be made in the future. I still have to pay a balance on the watch when it's ready. And it won't be ready until around December. Some express concern with this funding model. For me, it's no big deal. I don't mind the wait as long as I know the watch is coming. My recent purchasing experiences with both Ming and Kurono Tokyo have been really good. I don't know about Furlan Marri yet, but I've heard positive things.
@@kendalltull9854 Thank you very much! Yes, that new case design is eagerly anticipated, and for good reason. What independent brands do you enjoy and recommend?
@@mitchmitchell9588 I'm currently looking towards a Minase Divido and a Sartory Billiard SB-04 in particular. Ophion had a collaboration I missed out on that looked good.
Personally, I think the 24-hour subdial on the right would be replaced with a running seconds subdial. However, with an underlying quartz movement, it would then show the quartz jumping seconds instead of the 1/6-1/8 seconds of the usual mechanical movement. Other than that, it looks good and priced reasonably.
You are exactly right. To be a pedantic jerk, I note that with a Seiko or Zenith Hi-Beat movement, the running seconds subdial would show 1/10 seconds.
I hope they upgrade to a ST19 one day. There are mechanical chronographs for less than this watch (albeit they are usually direct from China). If this ever happens this will be an instabuy for me.
not sure if you've heard of Baltic watches. Great designs, Seagull ST1901. Personally, I just bought vintage but like the looks of Baltic.They did a salmon dial with The Rake. Unfortunately, those sold out fast and sell for around 3x retail ($1800) in the used market.
Thank you for this presentation. I find the rather poor quality of the dial (i.e. chips, dents, etc.) off-putting. If those issues could be rigorously addressed, then yes, there is something here perhaps worthy of $500. Again, thank you.
I **LOVE** the idea about tossing the hour counter in favor of a 24-hour time readout. I live in the I.T. universe, and we always specify time in 24hr format (what'd REALLY be cool is if it were a GMT readout, but I guess I can't have everything at $500? )
Great video. My dream watch is a Patek Philippe calatrava 3919. I own a Tissot t-classic desire. The Tissot was $100, is waterproof, has a sapphire crystal, never needs to be wound and the only servicing is an inexpensive battery every three years. I never take it off and never worry about it.
It's a great looking watch to be sure. But you can thank that to the original designers. It's a decent price but you can thank the Seiko movement and Chinese labour for that. What it lacks, and frankly I'm surprised you neglected to comment on, is the horrible quality control of the dial and anything under it's crystal. Great to have curved hands and lovely colouration of the dial, but if the execution is specks of dust and blobs of paint, what's the point? For $120 Ali Express watch with an N35 auto, we can understand. For $500 Seiko meca-quartz, it should be all about flawless execution, because they sure aren't spending the money on Swiss labour, or an in-house movement.
I totally felt the same way..completely killed all the positive attributes to the watch. First thing I do with a new timepiece is put it under the 5x magnification...if I saw this mess it would've gone straight back. Too bad, it's a beautiful timepiece..at a distance!
This watch is acceptable to me as Seiko was considerate enough to install a semi-smooth center hand instead of the “dead-beat” too often seen on quartz watches. Nice watch.
that's the chrono, and runs up to an hour before switching itself off else it'd just eat through the battery. Great not having a standard quartz seconds hand on the watch though, would detract from the illusion.
@@alexanderef6730 Didn’t know it switched itself off but I still like it. My Bulova Precisionist has a smooth second hand but it always runs. Don’t know if it’s true, but I have read that the battery in the Precisionist lasts 10 years in a regular quartz watch and only one year in the Precisionist. I guess that’s how much extra power a smooth seconds takes. But I don’t mind. It’s worth the shorter battery life to have a smooth seconds. At least in my opinion.
Thank you for the macro shots. I was going to buy one but there are a lot of smudges, mispaint, and other details that’s I just can’t get past. I understand the price point but I’d rather pay 2-3x to get rid of those missteps.
Amazing video as always! This is the first time I have actually seen a watch I own get a review (so that was cool). I will say to people who are trying to get this watch, good luck. I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way, but the Havana salmon dial was only made as a Kickstarter campaign, they don’t make them anymore and never will again. This watch was $350 when I ordered it and now I see them go for $3500 on Chrono24. Furlan Mari even told me they are selling for $5000-8000 in the Middle East and have seen one go to auction for over $100,000. Absolutely insane secondary pricing right now.
I saw the one at 100,000$ you can find it on chrono24. I think it’s a mistake or a guy who put this crazy price but it’s not sold lol. I also picked one from kickstarter but I’ll never put the price people are asking on the secondary market.
@@davidgorlan490 So Furlan Marri actually told me they saw the one watch go for auction over seas for over $100k. They also can’t understand the secondary prices. I saw one sell for over 3k on Chrono24 Wednesday and the only other Havana Salmon dial one on Chrono24 right now is hovering at about $2300. Crazy! I remember when they first hit chrono they sold for $1500-1700, and I imagine after this video more people will want one and more people will sell at crazy prices
This would serve as a consolation watch in my collection. Buy nice or buy twice folks. I saved, and saved, and saved and recently made a 20 year dream of owning a Rolex DateJust a reality. It is perfect. It ticks all the boxes. It is a joy to wear. And will someday make an incredible family heirloom for the next generation to enjoy.
Congrats! The problem is that with some watches (and this is a personal problem for me), their value increases faster than i can save for them... The market is crazy
Chronographs with a 24 hr subdial can be used for a second zone time, in regulator style, which is the coolest way of using the chronograph function imo
Normally I watch your videos for the footage of unobtainable watches. But today's Furlan Marri video, you helped me articulate why not all microbrands are collectible, and why buying AliExpress watches just isn't the same.
I have this exact watch and it is beautiful. I dont care that it has a mega quartz. However, I still would have preferred it to be 42mm with all proportion being slightly bigger. I think for chronograph the minimum size should be 42, otherwise it is very hard to see all the text.
You mentioned the 7A28, perhaps you could feature some Seikos that used that movement someday, they are quite iconic and some of them look really good.
I'm a fan of the channel, and I love your insights Andrew - but there is no such thing as an affordable Patek Philippe. Either it is a Patek Philippe or it isn't, kinda like how the Baltic is a nice watch but it's still a Baltic. A Nivada Grenchen is a Nivada Grenchen, and it's fantastic. A watch can very well stand on its own without trying to be an affordable version of another brand, unless it's very much an homage like a Pagani.
One of the functions of that 24 hour day indicator is when you point it to the sun in northern hemisphere the 12 o'clock on the watch will show the north direction. It's not useless.
Looks fantastic, but I can’t see why you’d pick this over a Dan Henry. They are both stunning but the Dan Henry selection provides more variance while still providing supreme value. These do look amazing as well. Granted, if you are after this specific color way - the FM is the only one like it. Well done, Mr Hands!
As an owner of 4 Dan Henry’s. The finishing on them are supremely good. I have never held a FM, but to be twice the cost of the DH - I just don’t see it. If you want that color, as said previously, it is the only way to go.
The watch is fine, but I sincerely don't like this rush of homages, when it is not plagiarism, expecially when for little more than half the price one can get a Seagull 1963, with a beautiful, fully mechanical, movement with column wheel (how many swiss chrono under the 10000 euros are there with a comparable movement?). BTW, I would love to see your take on that watch, I was very happily surprised when I got it and, aldough a little plain, I love its honest look (and its heritage is a nice story).
I have a few mechaquartz and the minute dial is too hard to read. The subdial is too small for 60 minutes and the minutes don't tick over when the second hand hits 12 like a mechanical. They are only good if you are timing a known interval that ends with a 5 or 0. I have an eta quartz chrono in a farer that ticks seconds like a quartz but the minute dial works like a mechanical and it's great.
A beautiful dial with the color and the exacting printing. But there are many boogers and cuts in the dial under the macro lens. They do need to fix this before I would consider it.
What do I think? I think it's another watch that I would like to buy but cant. Even unknown brands making nice watches wont actually sell you a watch. Whats the point?
I looked the watch maker up and it doesn’t appear that they’re still making or selling their knock-off watches. They show sold out on all models and didn’t appear to have anything in the works.
I have a watch collection and about 20 years ago I got rid of all my battery driven watches except one super slim Tissot dress watch. Replacing dead batteries on a pile of watches is no fun.
Sorry, but for money I would prefer something honest and original in the form of the ‘63 Seagull. A legit column wheel chronograph with actual history and based off a Swiss movement. If I didn’t like the aesthetics then I’d get the same movement but in the panda Lorier Gemini
i know the watch isn't pp level, but under watchfinder's signature macro lens, and the habit of seeing immaculate dials here, cant help but notice all the imperfections
You say it’s what’s on the outside that counts, the exterior details: but that’s exactly where this thing fails. Poorly printed dial and rough finishing everywhere else. It is, indeed, just a cheap copy of a far superior watch. There are, in my opinion, far better watches with far more integrity available for the same price.
@@ContraNovae If by “ersatz” you’re referring to something that’s either not genuine, or is an inferior direct substitute for something else, then no. If, however, you’re talking about well made, lower cost alternatives that aren’t just an out and out copy of something else, then there are many watches and brands to choose from.
Very nice video and professionally presented! I am done with "homages" like Steinhart, they have milked the vintage theme more than enough. Just because they copy a Patek does not make it one. Just see the dial full of grit.
I remember before the Kickstarter talking to the owner on IG and the watch was great but never got one and never thought it was gonna be so big! These are selling for two to three times the price in some countries. Congrats to him 🍻
I very much hope someday a Graf Zeppelin watch graces your cameras. My 8680-3 takes my breath away every time it gets strapped to my wrist. A very fine vintage style watch full of class and amazing features.
It's a very nice watch, and whether it's worth paying for the retro look is a matter of choice. Today I just got another quartz chronograph, a JDM Orient with the traditional panda dial 3 black subdials, different enough not to be a knock-off from the well known one, that's more original than this. If you like the look of this however it's definitely worth considering. But if Mr. Furlan has such a great background in design, why did he just photocopy a Patek Philippe?
Sorry if you touch on this in your video but I haven't had the time to view it all, but this watch is 'gone and permanently retired' according to their website.
Excellent video with beautiful details. I heard also that engraved pushers like those ones in the video were used by movado by the past during the same period. I see also the roger dubis has similar engraved pushers now. It’s an interesting product.
The biggest selling point of this watch in my opinion is proportions. 38mm, 11mm thickness it's simply unseen in the industry. Even Dan Henry whose watches I love doesn't get it right.
Info' about where these are made states Asia. So, would that be China? I hope purchasers are happy with the finishing on this and when bits start falling off. Put that 500 towards something better would be my advice 🙂
a good product in my point of view. the details are very interesting and the inspirations are clearly the 40’s vintage chronographs area, it reminds me my M95 movado with Borgel caseback and similar tasti tondi engraved pushers. This is what I love in this new watch.
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I love how you handle the absolute bonkers at the top end of high horology, but also touching on the merits of significant micro-brands, and even Timex’s “Q” series… Yours is the best watch channel on RUclips. Period. You cover the entire spectrum, regardless of how thin your budget is, and especially in these post-pandemic financial problems. You treat every piece as desirable, explaining the fine points, bringing us all together, agnostic to budget. Thank you for your breadth of coverage. Your channel is making sure that snobbery isn’t the high wall to climb when getting into watch collecting/passion and mere passion for the craft is the currency of the realm as opposed to a thick budget. ❤️
Nice watch but the killer for me is the poor QC on the dial. Flecks of dust and dirt in the paint which is noticeable every time I look at it is a no-no.
Rolex has flecks of dust and dirt in the paint as well and nobody is complaining.
@@bigmacdaddy1234 Not every Rolex, and show me one that looks even 1/10th this bad. The dial printing/paint is atrocious on this watch. Looks like one on those bad quality fakes. For this kind of money I'll take something like a Hamilton that still looks sharp under macro.
I have to agree, let's assume this may be a pre production run. The macro viewing did take away from the overall look. There were way too many dial issues. I have done much tighter macro shots on my Orient Ray and Citizen which don't show nearly anything like this.
@@Brian-ee1gx Yes, every Rolex has dust, dirt and horribly painted hands. Here are two videos to prove my point. ruclips.net/video/tTVBp_1Ddxw/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/c85o07K__M0/видео.html
@@bigmacdaddy1234 You are talking out your behind. I have a Rolex, and mine doesn't have any flaws that are visible under 30x magnification.
Id prefer the Red Star (seagull) 1963
There's also quite a few marks in the dial..print mistakes..dodgy cuts in the sub dial cut outs that would keep catching my eye once I knew they were there
Not for Me at all
so why are rolex homages criticized so much and this one wins awards?
I can think of a few reasons. First, there are just so many Rolex copies and fakes, and many of them are poorly executed. Second, most of those copies are of model lines that are still in production with changes perceptible only to super nerds. Third, among non-enthusiasts, Rolex brand ID is enormous-no other maker comes close.
So if you turn up in a Rolex “homage,” you’re going to have to explain that you’re NOT trying to wear a fake Rolex.
On the other hand, watches like this emulate references that are long since out of production from makers that don’t have the same non-enthusiast reaction. So it’s harder to be accused of trying to fake a watch or get by on another watch’s reputation.
Personally I’m sick of the bazillion “homage” submariners. I’m glad that at least a few Chinese makers have moved on to making homages of far earlier references like the “bubble back” oysters of the ‘60s. Rolex isn’t ever going to make those again, and I wouldn’t mind a watch in that style.
@@OuijTube a homage is a homage. I'm not sure what the relevence of which brand is being copied makes. But for the sake of argument, the rolex homages never win awards, this homage has won an award. The fact that people wouldn't necessarily know the furlan was a homage to PP, the fact is that it is.
@@jh-il5sb 1. Look closer at it. It's made to a higher standard than almost any Rolex homage. 2. It's not homaging anything currently in production. 3. Power: It's not pissing off Rolex or their fanboys.
@@BryanO92 Nope, it really isn't made to a higher standard, especially if you compare it to a Steinhart. It uses a 30$ mechaquartz movement that's full of dust and has printing issues. (and this is a pre-production review model, it should be made to a higher standard than regular production watches).
It's a good watch for 250$ or less, but it's 500$ asking price is shoulder-to-shoulder with the Bulova Lunar Pilot, a watch with a much more impressive mechanism, a much higher build quality standard and one of the coolest legacy stories behind it, as it was the watch that, performance wise, beat the Omega Moonwatch to a pulp. This is a simple homage that looks good from afar, but turns into a flawed mess as soon as you come close to it.
Anyone else catch the chunks of extra paint on the edged of the sub dials? Yuck
A nice watch. Except, it's sold out and permanently retired and therefor unavailable. It might as well be the original Patek.
Exactly this.
So annoying
That is indeed a lovely watch. The globs of paint visible under macro started to distract me, but the handset and the indices are indeed mesmerizing. I'm not enough of an expert to know why this watch won, but it does have a certain X factor. Thanks for the great review!
This is a moment to savor. I'm the proud owner of a watch that's been featured in this channel. Never thought it'd happen so quickly.
Lol
The dial to this particular watch has manufactures defects around the left side sub-dial, by the left side of the 6 o'clock marker, by also the left side of the 12 o'clock marker or it's the crystal itself, and the center hole of the dial where the hands are installed on the left-hand side have a mark of some sort, another at the bottom point of the 8 o'clock marker.
It's not bad, would have loved to see it with a Seagull Chronograph instead, perhaps with the top part made to look a bit less cheap for around 800-1000. That would have been great I think.
As of right now this is a very well made copy of a more expensive watch with a quartz movement. Could have been something more if you ask me.
I agree, the Seagull chrono would've been the way to go.
At the same time, the seagull movements are a lottery ticket in the reliability case so maybe a Quartz movements would have been the safer choice on a 500 dollar watch.
I'm not against that mechaquartz, but it is fairly steep a price for one even with all the detailing. Im sure it took plenty of troubleshooting on the front end, but as a consumer, that don't fuss me
with a swan neck for an extra ten bucks lol
I am all for this exact kind of watches. Excellent quality for around $500. I really dont give a bats ass about it being a quartz. If anything, I appreciate the thinness and accuracy from the quartz. My only complaint is that the battery is not a 16 year deal like the new Cartier tank solar.
Lol, you did say $500, right?
@@KC-bv9kf there are cheaper watches with long solar batteries
The lumps of paint on the salmon dial totally ruin it otherwise I'd love it
Yea the macros weren't impressive tbh
Correct. My $300 mechanical Seagull 1953 chronograph dial is absolutely lawless.
honestly, the finishing on this, especially the paint, it doesnt even look good for $500.
Complications not centered, numerals, especially the XII seem off. Looks like he dial was painted with cheap house paint, and I’m sure the movement is equally as horrible, the old “good from far but far from good” example.
@@villagranvicent yes I couldn’t understand why he was talking about the finishing being so great while showing the macro shots complete with dial marks, problems and dirt.
Man, so sad to see that it’s sold out and permanently discontinued!
Excellent video. That watch looks especially great here. Mr. Hands critique of the Furlan Marri is, as always, very fair (e.g., the 24 hour subdial). Also like the themes Introduced here: collecting versus ownership; emphasis on externals versus internal specs; and the intangibles of a buying experience. I like this watch. I like Kurono-Tokyo. I like Ming (toothpicks holding my eyelids up from an early alarm today...). For all the reasons Mr. Hands mentioned here, and more.
Did you get your Ming?
@@kendalltull9854 Yes, but it's complicated. I was able to pay a deposit and secure a watch to be made in the future. I still have to pay a balance on the watch when it's ready. And it won't be ready until around December. Some express concern with this funding model. For me, it's no big deal. I don't mind the wait as long as I know the watch is coming.
My recent purchasing experiences with both Ming and Kurono Tokyo have been really good. I don't know about Furlan Marri yet, but I've heard positive things.
@@mitchmitchell9588 Congrats! Kurono and Ming are great brands. Looking forward to the new case design that Kurono said is coming this year.
@@kendalltull9854 Thank you very much! Yes, that new case design is eagerly anticipated, and for good reason. What independent brands do you enjoy and recommend?
@@mitchmitchell9588 I'm currently looking towards a Minase Divido and a Sartory Billiard SB-04 in particular. Ophion had a collaboration I missed out on that looked good.
Personally, I think the 24-hour subdial on the right would be replaced with a running seconds subdial. However, with an underlying quartz movement, it would then show the quartz jumping seconds instead of the 1/6-1/8 seconds of the usual mechanical movement. Other than that, it looks good and priced reasonably.
You are exactly right. To be a pedantic jerk, I note that with a Seiko or Zenith Hi-Beat movement, the running seconds subdial would show 1/10 seconds.
I hope they upgrade to a ST19 one day. There are mechanical chronographs for less than this watch (albeit they are usually direct from China). If this ever happens this will be an instabuy for me.
not sure if you've heard of Baltic watches. Great designs, Seagull ST1901. Personally, I just bought vintage but like the looks of Baltic.They did a salmon dial with The Rake. Unfortunately, those sold out fast and sell for around 3x retail ($1800) in the used market.
Thank you for this presentation. I find the rather poor quality of the dial (i.e. chips, dents, etc.) off-putting. If those issues could be rigorously addressed, then yes, there is something here perhaps worthy of $500. Again, thank you.
I **LOVE** the idea about tossing the hour counter in favor of a 24-hour time readout. I live in the I.T. universe, and we always specify time in 24hr format (what'd REALLY be cool is if it were a GMT readout, but I guess I can't have everything at $500? )
The 24 hour could be both
I'm not sure your can buy one of these for $500. Grey market is $1000+ and the website says sold out on every model.
Great video. My dream watch is a Patek Philippe calatrava 3919. I own a Tissot t-classic desire. The Tissot was $100, is waterproof, has a sapphire crystal, never needs to be wound and the only servicing is an inexpensive battery every three years. I never take it off and never worry about it.
It's a great looking watch to be sure. But you can thank that to the original designers. It's a decent price but you can thank the Seiko movement and Chinese labour for that. What it lacks, and frankly I'm surprised you neglected to comment on, is the horrible quality control of the dial and anything under it's crystal. Great to have curved hands and lovely colouration of the dial, but if the execution is specks of dust and blobs of paint, what's the point? For $120 Ali Express watch with an N35 auto, we can understand. For $500 Seiko meca-quartz, it should be all about flawless execution, because they sure aren't spending the money on Swiss labour, or an in-house movement.
I totally felt the same way..completely killed all the positive attributes to the watch. First thing I do with a new timepiece is put it under the 5x magnification...if I saw this mess it would've gone straight back. Too bad, it's a beautiful timepiece..at a distance!
Yes, adding on the fact that one can get similar QC and the same movement in a watch for under 200 or even 100 dollars give and take
Only one flaw: it's a mecaquartz. Everything else is gorgeous
I've liked thi watch since the first time I saw it. I think it is beautiful in every right, and the finishing is superb for the price point.
This watch is acceptable to me as Seiko was considerate enough to install a semi-smooth center hand instead of the “dead-beat” too often seen on quartz watches. Nice watch.
that's the chrono, and runs up to an hour before switching itself off else it'd just eat through the battery. Great not having a standard quartz seconds hand on the watch though, would detract from the illusion.
@@alexanderef6730 Didn’t know it switched itself off but I still like it. My Bulova Precisionist has a smooth second hand but it always runs. Don’t know if it’s true, but I have read that the battery in the Precisionist lasts 10 years in a regular quartz watch and only one year in the Precisionist. I guess that’s how much extra power a smooth seconds takes. But I don’t mind. It’s worth the shorter battery life to have a smooth seconds. At least in my opinion.
too many noticeable flaws in the salmon paint on the dial. Besides that I'm not crazy about the overall design.
I wish you would show the movement of this beautiful watch.
Very proud of the brand and the guys behind it 👏
Not a single model they make is available per their website.
Thank you for the macro shots. I was going to buy one but there are a lot of smudges, mispaint, and other details that’s I just can’t get past. I understand the price point but I’d rather pay 2-3x to get rid of those missteps.
Looks exactly like a Vacheron Constantin, Cornes de Vache 1955...
Amazing video as always! This is the first time I have actually seen a watch I own get a review (so that was cool). I will say to people who are trying to get this watch, good luck. I don’t mean that in a sarcastic way, but the Havana salmon dial was only made as a Kickstarter campaign, they don’t make them anymore and never will again. This watch was $350 when I ordered it and now I see them go for $3500 on Chrono24. Furlan Mari even told me they are selling for $5000-8000 in the Middle East and have seen one go to auction for over $100,000. Absolutely insane secondary pricing right now.
I saw the one at 100,000$ you can find it on chrono24. I think it’s a mistake or a guy who put this crazy price but it’s not sold lol. I also picked one from kickstarter but I’ll never put the price people are asking on the secondary market.
@@davidgorlan490 So Furlan Marri actually told me they saw the one watch go for auction over seas for over $100k. They also can’t understand the secondary prices. I saw one sell for over 3k on Chrono24 Wednesday and the only other Havana Salmon dial one on Chrono24 right now is hovering at about $2300. Crazy! I remember when they first hit chrono they sold for $1500-1700, and I imagine after this video more people will want one and more people will sell at crazy prices
It’s a beautiful watch. One that I’d travel with rather than an expensive one given what one endures at security
This would serve as a consolation watch in my collection. Buy nice or buy twice folks. I saved, and saved, and saved and recently made a 20 year dream of owning a Rolex DateJust a reality. It is perfect. It ticks all the boxes. It is a joy to wear. And will someday make an incredible family heirloom for the next generation to enjoy.
@Landon meier Congratulations! That's a great acquisition. Hope you and the many generations that follow will enjoy it.
Congrats! The problem is that with some watches (and this is a personal problem for me), their value increases faster than i can save for them... The market is crazy
I assume all of your dogs are purebred
Chronographs with a 24 hr subdial can be used for a second zone time, in regulator style, which is the coolest way of using the chronograph function imo
Normally I watch your videos for the footage of unobtainable watches. But today's Furlan Marri video, you helped me articulate why not all microbrands are collectible, and why buying AliExpress watches just isn't the same.
I have this exact watch and it is beautiful. I dont care that it has a mega quartz. However, I still would have preferred it to be 42mm with all proportion being slightly bigger. I think for chronograph the minimum size should be 42, otherwise it is very hard to see all the text.
There’s a reason why most dress watches are built within 40
You mentioned the 7A28, perhaps you could feature some Seikos that used that movement someday, they are quite iconic and some of them look really good.
I'm a fan of the channel, and I love your insights Andrew - but there is no such thing as an affordable Patek Philippe. Either it is a Patek Philippe or it isn't, kinda like how the Baltic is a nice watch but it's still a Baltic. A Nivada Grenchen is a Nivada Grenchen, and it's fantastic. A watch can very well stand on its own without trying to be an affordable version of another brand, unless it's very much an homage like a Pagani.
Excellent video, very good watch but its not available anymore and their website says it’ never will be. Such a shame
One of the functions of that 24 hour day indicator is when you point it to the sun in northern hemisphere the 12 o'clock on the watch will show the north direction.
It's not useless.
"like sticking a Live, Laugh, Love sticker on the wall", another iconic line. Hilarious.
Looks fantastic, but I can’t see why you’d pick this over a Dan Henry. They are both stunning but the Dan Henry selection provides more variance while still providing supreme value. These do look amazing as well. Granted, if you are after this specific color way - the FM is the only one like it. Well done, Mr Hands!
As an owner of 4 Dan Henry’s. The finishing on them are supremely good. I have never held a FM, but to be twice the cost of the DH - I just don’t see it. If you want that color, as said previously, it is the only way to go.
I just had a look at those watches. They look amazing and they r reasonably priced.
Great to hear you mention Kurono Tokyo, but it is not what I would describe cheap/budget. Look at Serica too, great on the outside and inside too!
is it possible to switch the quartz out for a mechanical movement?
Big fan of the channel, love your work. Is there any chance of a Farer Quartz Chronograph review please?
The watch is fine, but I sincerely don't like this rush of homages, when it is not plagiarism, expecially when for little more than half the price one can get a Seagull 1963, with a beautiful, fully mechanical, movement with column wheel (how many swiss chrono under the 10000 euros are there with a comparable movement?). BTW, I would love to see your take on that watch, I was very happily surprised when I got it and, aldough a little plain, I love its honest look (and its heritage is a nice story).
I have a few mechaquartz and the minute dial is too hard to read. The subdial is too small for 60 minutes and the minutes don't tick over when the second hand hits 12 like a mechanical. They are only good if you are timing a known interval that ends with a 5 or 0. I have an eta quartz chrono in a farer that ticks seconds like a quartz but the minute dial works like a mechanical and it's great.
you missed to show the furlan marri engraving on the side of the case which is a great touch
A beautiful dial with the color and the exacting printing. But there are many boogers and cuts in the dial under the macro lens. They do need to fix this before I would consider it.
Good presentation like always. However they have no watches to sell and everything on their website is discontinued…. I would of bought a few
In my opinion, it's *just a scam* Most of watches with Seiko VK64 are sub $500. The movement is just okay not great *quartz*
100% agree. Really don't understand positive comments. Need to unsubsicribe now.
Love the hands, would love them on my seagull 1963, guess the weight would affect accuracy of a column wheel chronograph.
The best watch review channel bar none….. thank you !
I have a Casio watch and has a jittering seconds too. It works like an automatic watch and it's a Casio!
What do I think? I think it's another watch that I would like to buy but cant.
Even unknown brands making nice watches wont actually sell you a watch. Whats the point?
I looked the watch maker up and it doesn’t appear that they’re still making or selling their knock-off watches. They show sold out on all models and didn’t appear to have anything in the works.
This is NOT a budget watch. This seems to be an overpriced Seiko. Why wouldn't anyone buy a Seiko and have honesty and style? 🤷♂️
I have a watch collection and about 20 years ago I got rid of all my battery driven watches except one super slim Tissot dress watch. Replacing dead batteries on a pile of watches is no fun.
Sorry, but for money I would prefer something honest and original in the form of the ‘63 Seagull. A legit column wheel chronograph with actual history and based off a Swiss movement. If I didn’t like the aesthetics then I’d get the same movement but in the panda Lorier Gemini
Love that watch. Got the Dan Henry 1937, amazing watch.
For sale now € 3500 and not available on the website?. Enjoy
That pinhole mark to the left of the V1 was really irritating me
i know the watch isn't pp level, but under watchfinder's signature macro lens, and the habit of seeing immaculate dials here, cant help but notice all the imperfections
With Seiko VK64 this watch missing "movement". All the hands are just staying at their positions.
Im seeing actual chunks of paint on the dial
You say it’s what’s on the outside that counts, the exterior details: but that’s exactly where this thing fails. Poorly printed dial and rough finishing everywhere else. It is, indeed, just a cheap copy of a far superior watch. There are, in my opinion, far better watches with far more integrity available for the same price.
Agreed!
Can you list some acceptable ersatz watches?
@@ContraNovae If by “ersatz” you’re referring to something that’s either not genuine, or is an inferior direct substitute for something else, then no. If, however, you’re talking about well made, lower cost alternatives that aren’t just an out and out copy of something else, then there are many watches and brands to choose from.
What alternatives do you recomend
Can you list a 38mm chronograph watch with that price point (other than Seagull 1963) I really can’t think of any 🤔
I regret buying that graphics card now.
Very nice video and professionally presented!
I am done with "homages" like Steinhart, they have milked the vintage theme more than enough.
Just because they copy a Patek does not make it one. Just see the dial full of grit.
Please consider showcasing the work of Felipe Pikullik. Very nicely done watches at a very reasonable price.
Yes! A proper watchmaker too
Awesome review!
This watch deserves much more attention. My favorite is the tasti tondi color by far
I'm surprised you didn't notice or say anything about the terrible build quality and finishing of the dial and hands etc...
I remember before the Kickstarter talking to the owner on IG and the watch was great but never got one and never thought it was gonna be so big! These are selling for two to three times the price in some countries. Congrats to him 🍻
I very much hope someday a Graf Zeppelin watch graces your cameras. My 8680-3 takes my breath away every time it gets strapped to my wrist. A very fine vintage style watch full of class and amazing features.
Imperfections on the dial, quartz movement not my thing
It was a long time ago, but I remember seeing an add for a Rolex GMT Master for $250.
I really like the professionalism and the exquisite watches that they show on the channel.
Are these available new anymore?
I love love love this watch, and I am ordering one, Immediately !
That is impossible
It's a very nice watch, and whether it's worth paying for the retro look is a matter of choice. Today I just got another quartz chronograph, a JDM Orient with the traditional panda dial 3 black subdials, different enough not to be a knock-off from the well known one, that's more original than this. If you like the look of this however it's definitely worth considering. But if Mr. Furlan has such a great background in design, why did he just photocopy a Patek Philippe?
Trigger's watch comment had me LOL
I'd still take the seagull 1963 (hked 1963 version) though, but good to see some variety in the 38mm size
Sorry if you touch on this in your video but I haven't had the time to view it all, but this watch is 'gone and permanently retired' according to their website.
Excellent video with beautiful details. I heard also that engraved pushers like those ones in the video were used by movado by the past during the same period. I see also the roger dubis has similar engraved pushers now. It’s an interesting product.
The biggest selling point of this watch in my opinion is proportions. 38mm, 11mm thickness it's simply unseen in the industry. Even Dan Henry whose watches I love doesn't get it right.
Info' about where these are made states Asia. So, would that be China? I hope purchasers are happy with the finishing on this and when bits start falling off. Put that 500 towards something better would be my advice 🙂
What's the watch mentioned in 5:00?
What I see on their website: "Sold out and permanently retired."
The axis with all the hands is not center with the dial. I’ve never seen a watch with this issue or maybe I haven’t pay attention to others🤷🏻♂️
much prefer the sugess version with salmon/copper dial and fully mechanical chrono (seagull 1963 movement)
What a gorgeous watch! Beautiful and convenient. With a date it would have been pretty perfect.
Where. Do. You. Find. Such. Prices. I can't even find lotsa watches you review being sold anywhere online!
Great video ! I have a vintage JLC Meca-quarz, and it's such a cool and beautiful watch !
What is the background music song called? It mesmerizes me every time I watch these videos.
I keep seeing videos on this watch and going to check them out but always sold out. Cool enough to keep me looking though.
Is it April 1st?
I'd love to see this with a seagull mechanical movement
a good product in my point of view. the details are very interesting and the inspirations are clearly the 40’s vintage chronographs area, it reminds me my M95 movado with Borgel caseback and similar tasti tondi engraved pushers. This is what I love in this new watch.
I mean $60 Paganis have the VK64 movement too. So why pay $500 for it?
How about the Seagull ST 1901, it's half the price with a column wheel movement, and it's not pretending to be something it's not!
Wow! Watch looks incredible! And it's affordable! Also like the gray and blue dials. Thanks so much for bringing this to us!